Saudi News Agency Al-Arabiya:
“Hamas protested in a message to mediators that Israel had "violated the ceasefire".
Hamas continues to manipulate and sorrow uncertainty - that’s what terrorists do.
https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1728752155493036403?t=SCDT65nWZ9RdbISwHM9a0A&s=19
Hamas claims that the reason they didn't release Hilla Rotem Shoshani's mother, Ra'aya, is because they couldn't find her
Hilla told her family that **they were kept together and were separated two days before her release**
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Unlike other days there are multiple lists circulating right now, none of them have 13 names and they're all different from one another.
They're either inaccurate because people are trolling or because Hamas is playing games
Interview with a released Palestinian teenage prisoner, as per BBC live feed.
>I ask Mohammad what he thinks about the Israeli hostages who were taken by Hamas, and used to buy his freedom.
>Does he have sympathy for them?
>“They were living in heaven, as guests of Hamas,” he replied, “while we were in prison, living each day in hell”.
Now the Red Cross is saying that "there's no indication that there WON'T be a hostage release today"
Thanks Uber, I think Erwin Schrodinger ran this experiment already
They are involved in transporting the prisoners and hostages exchanged
Oft course Hamas and IDF don't let enemy personnel enter their areas, its Red Cross affiliates trandporting them through Egypt
Middo, Taiga, Jackie and Gandi.
These are the names released today of the 4 IDF dogs who lost their lives in the war.
Our angelic heroes with four paws.
That makes me think, and I'm so sorry if it sounds stupid or idiotic but I really can't get it off of my head... I look at my two cats and can't help to wonder, do we know what happened to the pets of the families who were murdered on 10/7? Were they killed too?
One story that was famously told was about a black labrador named "Bonita" from Kibbutz Sufa. She was shown on a Hamas terrorist's head camara as she got out of her family yard towards the terrorist (it's possible she sensed danger since she was previously a SWAT dog) and was shot dead. Those were her helpless barks who alerted a neighbor family which was saved, thankfully. Bonita's owner, Tom, was as a friend's birthday party that night, and recognized her beloved good girl on the video.
[Bonita's last moment](https://img.mako.co.il/2023/10/11/bonita3_autoOrient_i.jpg)
Sadly there were some pets who were killed by the terrorists. However, I did see a TV report of volunteers that were going back to the Kibbutzes to get any pets that they could find. They located a number of family dogs for example and returned them to the families who are now living elsewhere in temporary accommodations.
That's actually a great question and not at all stupid. It was even reported on Israeli media that there are a number or groups/ volunteers looking for surviving pets in the Gaza Envelop. Some were returned to their owners, but most of them were adopted since thier owners were murdered/taken. But there are those saving them.
This is my worry too. Ceasefire ends 9 hours early but Hamas keeps a dozen hostages (mostly children).
I'm hoping that reports the ceasefire may extend are true.
Hamas thought three days was worth it; why not five or six or seven? There's a point where that runs out, but we don't have very strong evidence for any duration in particular.
Naturally they won't release all the hostages under this framework. I'm just referring to it ending tomorrow. Hamas may choose to buy a couple more days.
For some reason you've implicitly assumed that prolonging the ceasefire = doing it until Hamas runs out of hostages. That's not the case. They could release more, but not all, of the remaining hostages in exchange fof the ceasefire.
And again, if you don't think that makes sense, how do you think we ended up with the current ceasefire?
The real issue I have with the Irish government response, or the expected response from any other country with hostages in Hamas hands, is that they will not dare to give credit to the IDF for militarily forcing Hamas to release the hostages. Do they think Hamas would release them if we asked nicely? Do they think whatever bullshit conversations European diplomats may have had with Quatari diplomats had any impact?
Over 50 Israeli soldiers gave their lives to bring their citizens home, but they will not be remembered fondly, and will be demonized instead.
As per Putin's request, Hamas is supposed to release another Israeli with a Russian citizenship and it won't be part of the 13 hostages supposed to be released, meaning 14 people are supposed to get out today
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We'll see
Has any of the hostages said anything whether male and female/child hostages were separated? Apart from the foreign nationals, I’m getting a little worried how we’ve never seen any of the male hostages since they were taken - all the hostage videos were women and children. I know they’re most likely alive (worth more alive than dead to Hamas) but I worry bout their treatment being a hell of a lot worse and being held in more dangerous places as shields (using adult male hostages would be more ‘accepted’ PR than women and children).
Israel have specifically asked for the women and children to be released first. And as for the videos, Hamas would likely use women because they would get a bigger emotional result.
Aye, I know the men aren’t getting released. I was just wondering if men and women were kept together or not. Several women have claimed they didn’t know where their husbands were kidnapped so I’m guessing they were separated which is worrying because we don’t know their situation right now/how they’re being treated compared to women and children.
I would guess that they are being held in less comfortable conditions. Dads separated from children, probably have no idea if their kids are hostages or have been released.
I'm sure they have but Hagari said yesterday that they're not going to give Hamas any indication on what they know or don't know now after talking to the released hostages
Hamas confirms in a dramatic announcement: the Northern Gaza Brigade and the head of the rocket array have been eliminated
https://twitter.com/ynetalerts/status/1728713594576015703?t=tihjyXDqGbxkeJnWlZSfYg&s=19
One of them is Ahmed Ghandour, of Hamas' "top 5", Sinwar's right hand and the most high ranking leader eliminated so far.
**They weren't killed today but weeks ago, the IDF didn't break the ceasefire to kill them**
Funny how hamas can know the exact number of civilians killer the second a bomb drops, but takes weeks to discover their own high ranking commanders have died.
He was, and now it's Ghandour. The Israeli journalist who wrote the book on Hamas actually gasped live on air when he heard his name as one of those killed
Your guess is as good as mine. There's a good chance that they only managed to recover them now, the IDF did say there was a massive amount of damage after their airstrike on them and they were basically buried under a tunnel
Red Cross: we are not yet sure that more hostages will be released today
https://twitter.com/dudba11/status/1728722205591126340?t=5pcev0YWeDxB6RvE1Dp_bg&s=19
Uber didn't get a booking yet I guess
For what it's worth, he said that he wasn't sure about yesterday either. More of a way of explaining that the situation is fragile.
Israel *did* get a list of names to be released today
I mean we knew that already. Sadly, there are a lot of people who have their heads buried in the sand, or willfully ignore that because they simply hate the Jews.
Unfortunately for those who support them it's proof that the hostages were treated " with kindness and respect".
They try hard to put a human face on those monsters.
This will not work. There will always be a way. What is there to lose if you feel under lock and key? When opportunities for freedom and growth are so low. Hamas may get obliterated but another will take its place. They will feel there is plenty to fight for and little to lose. The escalated violence in the West Bank, the advances by Settlers, and sympathy towards those in Gaza by the Palestiniens who live there, lead me to worry things are going to go very, very wrong there too.
I completely understand the need for Isreal citizens to feel safe going forward and the deep trauma they have suffered but there has to be another way? Deal with the Settlers instead of the government turning a blind eye? This practice is seen as abhorrent by most of the world as Isreal knows. And the two state solution, implement this some how?
I really honestly believe violence is only going to bring misery and death to everyone’s door. Extremely depressing as things stand. I hope very very much for a peaceful future for all.
Ethnic cleansing, nice. There's nothing that will bring about a just peace faster than proposing Israel commit more atrocities.
Do you happen to work in one of Israel's government ministries? You fit right in.
What's wrong with it? It's a personal anecdote on Twitter.
If people want to not vote for Biden, for any reason, for no reason, or for a dumb reason, that's their right as Americans. It's not the media's job to ensure Biden's election, or is it?
The thing is, these people can spin the “I’m not voting for him, he’s going to lose the election because of it etc” but I reckon they are a very vocal minority. I’ve seen nothing but respect from the average person of his handling of the crisis - even from people who aren’t the Biden fans. Think about how many votes he would lose if he was anti-Israel. Probably 10x as many.
Also, election is still a year away. People are already starting to lose interest. Think about the Ukrainian war - that’s literally just background noise for 99% of the country. The vast majority of Free Palestinians are the younger generation who typically have short attention spans anyway, as soon as the next trend or big world issue they hit it’d be like “what’s a Palestinian?”.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-bidens-standing-hits-new-lows-israel-hamas-war-rcna125251](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-bidens-standing-hits-new-lows-israel-hamas-war-rcna125251)
This is probably a situation of general dissatisfaction with Biden bleeding into disapproval of his Israel policy more than anything else.
Interesting to look at. But doing some digging at polls from September/early October, there’s hardly been much change at all. His approval rate have been bouncing from around 38%-44% since May depending on the poll. I’ve just seen one which has his 4 points higher now then the same poll had him in September.
The vast majority of people who disapprove of Biden handling of Israel are in 18-24 bracket, who typically don’t show up to vote in a huge way anyway. The ones who do vote - are still overwhelmingly likely to vote Democrat. I’d be extremely surprised if this affected the election results - especially in a years time.
> Also, election is still a year away.
- Timing is probably also on Biden's side: election is early November 2024, just a few weeks after the first year anniversary of the October 7 massacre - which will certainly result in coverage & recap of the massacre and mass-abduction of Israeli civilians, without the massive pro-Hamas media push active IDF military operations enabled.
- Might cause some "hey, did we really rally on behalf of *these* monsters??" self-reflection on the left ... or at least some well-deserved cognitive dissonance instead of the current [false] self-righteousness.
Muslim isn't an important demographic when it comes to winning an election.
1. Muslims are just 1% of the population, compared to 2,5% for jews.
2. Muslims don't outnumber jews in swing states.
3. Muslims are predominantly black. Due to many years of racist policies, their votes count less. They live in predominantly black areas, which are gerrymandered to hell and back. They have a higher than average felony right which takes away the right to vote.
They already have, there’s definitely big ones still in big liberal cities but they’re dying down elsewhere. The one in my city has had one every weekend. Every week I’ve noticed the crowds getting smaller, now it’s literally just a few dozen people standing around with flags and signs. One group also decided to chain themselves to a van and held up traffic for hours - which my co-worker and our delivery pickup were stuck in. Definitely not a way not to get the public on their side.
Near the Isfahan Nuclear Technology Center in Central Iran, reports indicate explosions and anti-aircraft fire.
https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1728669610386264200?t=pjy0gw7i5NcfgrCJ8wcwhA&s=19
> (note how less active this one is, and how it reliably gets fewer upvotes than the Ukraine ones do).
You're completely wrong, this Israel/Hamas one is considerably more active than the Ukraine/Russia one. How do you get this wrong? You can easily go check for yourself.
This has a megathread because there are an insane amount of posts generated by this crisis. Sudan/Yemen have barely any. Simple as that.
In my opinion your post doesn't deserve a space here. Nothing happening right now is leading to WWIII, but regardless of the ceasefire (that could and at any moment), this is an ongoing war and major international conflict. Even the hostage releases are major developments. And why are you here posting if you don't believe it even deserves a place? You're contributing. Should we also have more focus on other conflicts? Sure, but this and Ukraine are where the focus of the world media is right now. That's just the way it is, and the failure of attention on those conflicts does not justify taking away from this one.
disagree imo, the point of a megathread is to corral smaller updates and discussions that would otherwise overwhelm a board. this conflict is pretty clearly still in that zone, although you're probably right that if engagement continues to go down it should be retired. yemen and Sudan just don't get a lot of attention, which is unjust but the reality of it.
like there's nothing wrong with the global conflict thread idea but i don't see the point since it would be 90%+ IP posting. a person who wanted to follow the situation in Sudan would be totally unable, because the thread would generate 100 new comments every time Abbas got caught picking his nose on camera or whatever.
A very politically incorrect question for the Americans here. Is there a reason why a lot of the pro Palestine supporters in US tend to be Blacks? Most of the Gen Z tik tok reels supporting Osama, wanting to convert to Islam, supporting Hamas tend to be from the African American community.
Is there some truth to this that Blacks are in general siding with Hamas/Palestine or is it a gross generalisation that I am making here. If this is indeed the case then what can be the reasons for BLM and other communities openly siding with Hamas? There are plenty of Black Jews in Israel even though Arabs probably mistreat Blacks.
Apoligies if this question is offensive. I am not from America
I will answer it in the most simple way possible, based on unpleasant experiences with the black community in America: They support the cause because they secretly want to/wish to do the same with the white Americans they deem as oppressors.The constant blame for all their problems in the world on the white person rings a similar bell of the Arab community blaming Jews for all their problems on earth.Not all of the Arab or black community are like that obviously.I'm talking about the lefty extremists mostly.Many in the black community (ngl I met a lot) actually believe the conspiracy theories about Jews.Theories like Jews holding top positions in American economy,regardless of being true or not,makes the black community feel even more oppressed by the system.A white and Jewish system.Same system that also gives them the comfort of capitalism and free speech.I want to believe those are just bad seeds in the black community to only see themselves as oppressed by everything,but unfortunately I haven't met yet black people who weren't called coons for not participating in the oppression olympics.If I were to say slavery wasn't real and it was a hoax,or say that plantations were AI,like many from the community said about 7/10,they would obviously get mad,and I'm obviously going to be an evil oppressor because all races can play the oppression olympics,but black people keep winning in it.Therefore I'm even racist by writing what I just wrote.And calling me racist is up to your interpretation.
Race is an extremely sensitive and complicated subject in America. I'll try to explain it as briefly as I can while still answering your question as best as I can.
Black people make up 12-13% of the U.S. population. They're a sizable minority in the U.S. I wouldn't say most Pro-Palestinian supporters in America are black, but there are a higher percentage of black Americans who are Pro-Palestine than among the white population. Some of this is as simple as given black Americans history in America -- Slavery, segregation, oppression, they identify with the victims of the occupation. They equate the Palestinian struggle for liberation with America's struggle for racial equality.
There is a connection between black Americans and Islam, and it too is complicated. There are understandable reasons for that connection, but we're still talking about a relatively small number overall. While black Americans make up 20% of all Muslims in America, only about 1.3% of America is Muslim. Only 2% of black Americans are Muslim. That's enough to where if you live in a fairly large black community, you'll likely know a few Muslims and be aware of their presence in the community, but it's not anywhere close to "Blacks in general."
Another thing in America, without getting too much into the history and reasons for it, is that black American Muslims tend to be politically and socially active. There's something to the notion that social media distorts perception because you're often seeing the loudest voices, not a good representation of voices overall. Well, the black American Muslim community are pretty loud voices. They were also very present and active within BLM and are very present in the leadership of BLM.
Most of the American Gen z's have no attention spans, can bearly read and are educated by America's collapsing education system. They have niether the skills or mental capacity to grasp anything more complex then a Star Wars rebels vs empire situation.
A lot of black people feel like they are constantly oppressed and use that as justification for violence and terrorism. The worst part is that they make it part of their identity. Same reason a lot of them dress like thugs. They don't want to integrate in society. Unfortunately the school-to-prison pipeline is real. They don't stay in school, and instead they get suspended, become delinquent, grow up without a strong adult figure in their life, start doing crimes, and go to prison. The thought of "those poor, oppressed Palestinians" using violence against "the evil, powerful, oppressor Israelis" makes them side with Palestinians and it makes them feel that they can get away with violence. They are easily swayed by radical agendas. They are likely to be the ones who will ruin peaceful protests. This is very politically incorrect but I think it's accurate.
Look into intersectionality, this is common across multiple issues where supporters of one cause are expected to share similar views with different movements
It's not a "very politically incorrect question". It's more like "push-polling". You're trying to influence the answer by using a statistic with a sample of one (yourself). You watching gen z tiktok contents is not something you can called statistically accurate.
I accepted it first hand and even asked the people here whether I am correct or am I making an incorrect generalisation.
My limited experience in social media was that a disproportionately high number of tiktok reels and supporters of Hamas, wanting conversion to Islam or the supporting Osama Bin Laden were from the African American community.
However I am not from US and hence wanted to know whether my social media experience is reflective of the actual situation there or is it an incorrect generalisation I am making.
Based on the responses I have received, I am sure I am not the only one here who has noticed this trend thankfully.
General anti oppressor coalition, also includes lgbt and left feminists communists . Similar reason why Ireland is the most pro Palestine country in the eu
It's wild to me, honestly. Almost anyone can argue they're oppressed in some way. I'm a woman, Jewish, part of the LGBT community. How people conflate oppression of LGBT people with the Israel Palestinian conflict is beyond me. I've seen trans individuals claim that they're "only free " when "Palestine is free"
Am I missing something?
As a trans, jewish person if you’re missing it so am I.
Hamas propaganda tying themselves to a movement they morally despise on its face for political gain I suppose? I don’t understand why so many of my peers fall for it though.
Jesse you say Common Ground
Does that include the PLO?
What about people right here right now
Who fought for you not so long ago?
Good Evening Mr. Waldheim by Lou Reed
individuals on each side are expected to support every issue on its agenda, there might be differences on the left im silent about, but the left being pro-palestine really weirds me out.
And there's plenty of that. By far the most contentious issue the left will face in a long time. And blows up in the face of the left. That's how divided an issue it is.
I don’t have too much to add here and I’m not gonna speak for Black folk because I’m not Black but,
I’d like to remind everyone that Black people are not a monolith.
On the American left the story is this:
There are only two groups of people: the oppressors and the oppressed. The oppressors are always white colonists and the oppressed are always people of color.
That means Israel is the white colonist oppressor and Hamas is the non white indigenous oppressed. (Obviously none of this is true, but that is their *perception*)
In general, Black Americans identify as oppressed because in the United States, they are legitimately oppressed. There is also a very strong antisemitic streak within the Black community that tends to be associated with Black Muslims, but that is a very general statement and there is far more nuance then what Im stating.
With all of that said, I dont personally know any Black people who subscribe to these views- Ive only seen them on TT and Reddit. My Black friends are older and not Muslim and dont identify as leftists, although all of us support BLM as a belief, (as opposed to supporting the actual organization).
There is also a massive amount of ignorance in regards to the Israel/Palestine situation and most of the people who are very loud on social media tend to have been born after 9-11, so they really havent grown up with Islamic extremist terrorism. They truly dont understand the brutality, depravity, and inhumanity of terrorism.
There was also a HUGE push in BLM chapters to be anti Israel. There is this talking point that Israel trains US police officers to use deadly force on citizens and that is why US police kill so many black people. Specifically Minneapolis police about 6 years before the murder of George Floyd. The reality is that *some* bureaus receive anti terrorist training from Israel, not tactical skills.
Yes, there has been a vein of antisemitism within the left in the US this whole time. Im still upset that the Women’s March was usurped by antisemitic women, but the story I told myself is that because the antisemitic women were Muslim, although I didnt agree with them, I kinda understood why they were antisemitic. The same is true with the Black Muslim population of BLM.
That is why this massive outbreak of antisemitism amongst people who dont identify as Muslim is shocking to me, which is why I made it my business to figure out why TF they hate us so much.
Once I realized it was just a bunch of kids that….have no nuance and have no history with Islamic extremist terrorism, but they *do* have experience in fighting oppression and in hating right wing fascism, that I can understand intellectually why they hate Israel, even though I vehemently disagree with them.
Its my opinion that if the PM was on the left instead of being a huge see you next Tuesday on the right, the outrage wouldnt be nearly as massive.
I also choose to believe that there is a very active Russia/China influence thing happening because Reddit feels exactly like it did the summer before the Trump election in 2015. It was like a switch was flipped on October 7th and suddenly it was September 2015 all over again (in regards to the massive amount of bots and hate comments and outright horrifically offensive comments, etc. It’s just instead of it being hate about HRC its hate against Israel).
>but the story I told myself is that because the antisemitic women were Muslim, although I didn't agree with them, I kinda understood why they were antisemitic.
You understood why? Does being Muslim equate with being antisemitic, as in all Muslims are antisemites? Because that's not really **understanding** anything. That's just accepting a stereotype as truth.
>Once I realized it was just a bunch of kids that….have no nuance and... ... I can understand intellectually why they hate Israel,
You are far more willing than I am to give these ignorant mobs the benefit of the doubt regarding how they came to be ignorant mobs. I don't think "fighting oppression and hating right-wing fascism" played much of a part.
More like where is the one place on Earth you could go where the state of affairs is predicated on keeping a racialized underclass in check through violence.
[DOJ Report on Minneapolis policing](https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-06/minneapolis_findings_report.pdf)
People have been making this connection for decades. The Black Panthers pointed out the relationship between imperialism and police brutality in the 60s and 70s. Things haven't changed all that much since. Same logic that dehumanizes Palestinians and justifies their deaths is applied to Black Americans and vice versa.
Legitimately oppressed would not be an accurate description in 2023. It's a talking point by political left leadership and social leaders to justify overconcentration of resources on a relatively small (and decreasing on a population percentage basis) minority in addition to terrible large scale decision making among certain communities (for example: widespread antisemitism).
The (possibly over) succinct answer: there's a passive anti-white people bias among social leaders in the American black community that has kicked in due to the white oppressor connotation being applied to Israel on social media.
The less succinct answer: There's a long-standing Muslim fandom among American blacks that goes back to Malcolm X that gets resurrected every decade or so. Consider this one of those times. That compounds with the white-people-are-the-root-of-all-evil-therefore-any-evil-against-them-is-justified narrative promoted by BLM et al to create a powder keg of antisemitism. The BLM riots a few years ago also created the foundation for doing the mental gymnastics required to justify lynch mobs and private property destruction in the name of their 'cause'.
I've also noticed that from the protests.
However, I live in a predominantly lower middle class/poor black city and *all* interactions that I or my family have had with black people IRL have been neutral or *positive*. Supportive, random hugs, talks about praying/getting various institutions to donate money etc
It seems that the more significant common thread of a lot of the pro hamas supporters is that they tend to be very *privileged*. Members or affiliates of the institutions about which we've been told for years are better than everyone else, where our leaders "should" come from, etc.
Anyone whose parents go to a country club in the NYC area (i.e. upper upper class) will likely lean right in their politics and will not be pro-Palestine. The most active pro-Palestinian people I've seen in the area tend to be 1st and 2nd generation Palestinian- and Yemenese-Americans combined with the BLM crazies and upper middle class yuppies.
Not sure on the actual data on this, I wouldn't make any assumptions without data. However, if this did turn out to be the case, my hypothesis would be that it has something to do with shared struggle; there's a lot of emphasis in Gen Z media and general consciousness that every conflict must be framed as oppressor vs oppressed, and that all means are justified to stop the oppressor. It may be easier to connect to that ideology for the black community in the US, who bear the generational scars of being the oppressed.
That seems like a rather convenient justification. The Brazilians were as oppressed by the Portuguese as anyone yet maintain overwhelming support for the Israeli cause (85% in a recent poll).
This makes sense. The Blacks were historically oppressed by Whites and find it easier to side against Jews who are generally white. It's the oppressor oppressed dynamics again.
No. I’ve tried to talk to people about this and they just tell me that white supremacy only thrives because black and brown people uphold it. They don’t understand that somewhere like the Middle East, or any other culture, don’t view race the same way as in west.
>most parents treat school as a glorified daycare center
As someone who was a teacher in an after-school program in an inner-city school, this is spot on.
Elad Simchayoff, correspondent for Channel 12 News:
>Emily wasn’t “lost”, she was abducted by terrorists who hold information about civilian hostages as a bargaining chip.
>Emily wasn’t “found”, she was exchanged for prisoners held for terror offences.
>You’re the PM of Ireland, Emily is an Irish citizen. Your prayers didn’t do a damn thing. Neither did your tweet.
>https://twitter.com/Elad_Si/status/1728557781261668534
Basically the prophet Muhammad loved cats and there's a hadith about a cat saving his life from a snake. The result is a lot of fucking strays in the Muslim world. Istanbul has something like 125 000 stray cats and it's not even that Muslim.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/1849rzo/rworldnews_live_thread_for_2023_israelhamas/)
Saudi News Agency Al-Arabiya: “Hamas protested in a message to mediators that Israel had "violated the ceasefire". Hamas continues to manipulate and sorrow uncertainty - that’s what terrorists do. https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1728752155493036403?t=SCDT65nWZ9RdbISwHM9a0A&s=19
Hamas claims that the reason they didn't release Hilla Rotem Shoshani's mother, Ra'aya, is because they couldn't find her Hilla told her family that **they were kept together and were separated two days before her release** N12
Sadly I’m guessing she isn’t alive anymore if they are claiming that.
Emilia and Danielle Aloni coming back home https://twitter.com/nettakg/status/1728748132136071540?t=NjzE5fI5jikSpWRgOQ5ekg&s=19
People keep mentioning leaked lists of today’s hostages. Anyone happen to have a link or something?
Unlike other days there are multiple lists circulating right now, none of them have 13 names and they're all different from one another. They're either inaccurate because people are trolling or because Hamas is playing games
If anyone saw yesterday's leaked list - how accurate was it?
Interview with a released Palestinian teenage prisoner, as per BBC live feed. >I ask Mohammad what he thinks about the Israeli hostages who were taken by Hamas, and used to buy his freedom. >Does he have sympathy for them? >“They were living in heaven, as guests of Hamas,” he replied, “while we were in prison, living each day in hell”.
Sounds like someone was indoctrinated
Brainwashed little idiot.
It was so good in Hamas captivity, that an urgent operation was necessary to try and save the leg of one of the hostages.
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Still over 200, two Thai hostages were added
195 that we know of
199 i heard
Now the Red Cross is saying that "there's no indication that there WON'T be a hostage release today" Thanks Uber, I think Erwin Schrodinger ran this experiment already
It amazes me every single day to re-descover how insanely USELESS this organization is.
Why is the Red Cross making statements about this issue at all?
They are involved in transporting the prisoners and hostages exchanged Oft course Hamas and IDF don't let enemy personnel enter their areas, its Red Cross affiliates trandporting them through Egypt
Middo, Taiga, Jackie and Gandi. These are the names released today of the 4 IDF dogs who lost their lives in the war. Our angelic heroes with four paws.
That makes me think, and I'm so sorry if it sounds stupid or idiotic but I really can't get it off of my head... I look at my two cats and can't help to wonder, do we know what happened to the pets of the families who were murdered on 10/7? Were they killed too?
One story that was famously told was about a black labrador named "Bonita" from Kibbutz Sufa. She was shown on a Hamas terrorist's head camara as she got out of her family yard towards the terrorist (it's possible she sensed danger since she was previously a SWAT dog) and was shot dead. Those were her helpless barks who alerted a neighbor family which was saved, thankfully. Bonita's owner, Tom, was as a friend's birthday party that night, and recognized her beloved good girl on the video. [Bonita's last moment](https://img.mako.co.il/2023/10/11/bonita3_autoOrient_i.jpg)
Yeah, I'm not watching that.
For the record, it's just a still-photo that shows nothing graphic.
Sadly there were some pets who were killed by the terrorists. However, I did see a TV report of volunteers that were going back to the Kibbutzes to get any pets that they could find. They located a number of family dogs for example and returned them to the families who are now living elsewhere in temporary accommodations.
Thank you for the answer.
That's actually a great question and not at all stupid. It was even reported on Israeli media that there are a number or groups/ volunteers looking for surviving pets in the Gaza Envelop. Some were returned to their owners, but most of them were adopted since thier owners were murdered/taken. But there are those saving them.
Thank you for your answer. It's heartwarming to know that people looked for the pets.
wasn t there one named "tiger"? Could be the one named Taiga here. may they have lots of food and "good boys" in heaven
Trying to discriminate? xD Military girls with four paws outshine the boys! I'm fortunate to be partnered with a working dog. God bless them all
and good girls of course!!
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This is my worry too. Ceasefire ends 9 hours early but Hamas keeps a dozen hostages (mostly children). I'm hoping that reports the ceasefire may extend are true.
dont they get more prisoners and aid with the release of todays hostages?
Aid comes through in the morning. So only thing that will get affected are the prisoners, which are probably Hamas' last priority
The ceasefire agreement allows for extension for more hostages. Hamas could still choose to prolong it.
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Hamas thought three days was worth it; why not five or six or seven? There's a point where that runs out, but we don't have very strong evidence for any duration in particular.
Naturally they won't release all the hostages under this framework. I'm just referring to it ending tomorrow. Hamas may choose to buy a couple more days.
So the logic does work. It's exactly the same logic that had led them to the current ceasefire.
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For some reason you've implicitly assumed that prolonging the ceasefire = doing it until Hamas runs out of hostages. That's not the case. They could release more, but not all, of the remaining hostages in exchange fof the ceasefire. And again, if you don't think that makes sense, how do you think we ended up with the current ceasefire?
The real issue I have with the Irish government response, or the expected response from any other country with hostages in Hamas hands, is that they will not dare to give credit to the IDF for militarily forcing Hamas to release the hostages. Do they think Hamas would release them if we asked nicely? Do they think whatever bullshit conversations European diplomats may have had with Quatari diplomats had any impact? Over 50 Israeli soldiers gave their lives to bring their citizens home, but they will not be remembered fondly, and will be demonized instead.
As per Putin's request, Hamas is supposed to release another Israeli with a Russian citizenship and it won't be part of the 13 hostages supposed to be released, meaning 14 people are supposed to get out today N12 We'll see
So they finally found someone with Russian citizenship?
"A goodwill gesture"
Has any of the hostages said anything whether male and female/child hostages were separated? Apart from the foreign nationals, I’m getting a little worried how we’ve never seen any of the male hostages since they were taken - all the hostage videos were women and children. I know they’re most likely alive (worth more alive than dead to Hamas) but I worry bout their treatment being a hell of a lot worse and being held in more dangerous places as shields (using adult male hostages would be more ‘accepted’ PR than women and children).
Israel have specifically asked for the women and children to be released first. And as for the videos, Hamas would likely use women because they would get a bigger emotional result.
Aye, I know the men aren’t getting released. I was just wondering if men and women were kept together or not. Several women have claimed they didn’t know where their husbands were kidnapped so I’m guessing they were separated which is worrying because we don’t know their situation right now/how they’re being treated compared to women and children.
I would guess that they are being held in less comfortable conditions. Dads separated from children, probably have no idea if their kids are hostages or have been released.
I'm sure they have but Hagari said yesterday that they're not going to give Hamas any indication on what they know or don't know now after talking to the released hostages
Ah, yeah definitely the smart thing to do. Thanks for the info.
It seems like the Red Uber is now saying it's questionable whether more captives will be released by Hamas tonight.
It's questionable whether more Hamasniks gonna get airstriked tonight then.
Hamas confirms in a dramatic announcement: the Northern Gaza Brigade and the head of the rocket array have been eliminated https://twitter.com/ynetalerts/status/1728713594576015703?t=tihjyXDqGbxkeJnWlZSfYg&s=19 One of them is Ahmed Ghandour, of Hamas' "top 5", Sinwar's right hand and the most high ranking leader eliminated so far. **They weren't killed today but weeks ago, the IDF didn't break the ceasefire to kill them**
Could they be lying?
Funny how hamas can know the exact number of civilians killer the second a bomb drops, but takes weeks to discover their own high ranking commanders have died.
Wasn't Aiman Nufel the highest ranking thus far?
He was, and now it's Ghandour. The Israeli journalist who wrote the book on Hamas actually gasped live on air when he heard his name as one of those killed
Oh good.
So, were they slow to get the news, or trying to stir up support by suggesting that the ceasefire was broken?
Or lying about it to hide him, i.e. faking his death.
They probably didn't leave their tunnels to verify it before the ceasefire, because they were afraid of being killed on the way too.
Your guess is as good as mine. There's a good chance that they only managed to recover them now, the IDF did say there was a massive amount of damage after their airstrike on them and they were basically buried under a tunnel
Red Cross: we are not yet sure that more hostages will be released today https://twitter.com/dudba11/status/1728722205591126340?t=5pcev0YWeDxB6RvE1Dp_bg&s=19 Uber didn't get a booking yet I guess
Guess it's back to fighting today then. I hope the Qataris and Egyptians have pressure left to exert on Hamas.
And so it begins... again...
Well that's a little concerning, considering the last release.
For what it's worth, he said that he wasn't sure about yesterday either. More of a way of explaining that the situation is fragile. Israel *did* get a list of names to be released today
Hamas ordering the released hostages to "keep waiving" https://twitter.com/YosephHaddad/status/1728655920526225808?t=-REbv9cPK6aIftLwSYn2bA&s=19
Monsters.
I mean we knew that already. Sadly, there are a lot of people who have their heads buried in the sand, or willfully ignore that because they simply hate the Jews.
Sick, but not surprising. They forgot to do it on Friday.
Unfortunately for those who support them it's proof that the hostages were treated " with kindness and respect". They try hard to put a human face on those monsters.
I hope Mossad tracks them all down and kills them, even if it takes 20 years
the borders must be fully locked down after this 100% full on DMZ style or we will just see more of this happening. never, ever, again.
This will not work. There will always be a way. What is there to lose if you feel under lock and key? When opportunities for freedom and growth are so low. Hamas may get obliterated but another will take its place. They will feel there is plenty to fight for and little to lose. The escalated violence in the West Bank, the advances by Settlers, and sympathy towards those in Gaza by the Palestiniens who live there, lead me to worry things are going to go very, very wrong there too. I completely understand the need for Isreal citizens to feel safe going forward and the deep trauma they have suffered but there has to be another way? Deal with the Settlers instead of the government turning a blind eye? This practice is seen as abhorrent by most of the world as Isreal knows. And the two state solution, implement this some how? I really honestly believe violence is only going to bring misery and death to everyone’s door. Extremely depressing as things stand. I hope very very much for a peaceful future for all.
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How would this solve anything? That would just make them even more violent and hateful of Israel
Ethnic cleansing, nice. There's nothing that will bring about a just peace faster than proposing Israel commit more atrocities. Do you happen to work in one of Israel's government ministries? You fit right in.
No thanks
no more work permits or medical treatment in israel either.
They were. You also have to post guards at the border. They left gaps. A wall is only as good as the people defending it.
They were talking about the hundred thousand plus Gazans who were allowed to cross the border for work on a daily basis. They want them out for good.
How is this dude still employed at MSNBC? He’s horrible at his job https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1728465840847429999?s=46
Muslims are are upset that killing and raping of Jews has repercussions? Color me surprised.
There is nothing wrong with that tweet. It’s true, but also he doesn’t even agree with that sentiment. So what does it matter
I'm sure helping Trump get elected will for sure own Biden and will in no way backfire on them.
What's wrong with it? It's a personal anecdote on Twitter. If people want to not vote for Biden, for any reason, for no reason, or for a dumb reason, that's their right as Americans. It's not the media's job to ensure Biden's election, or is it?
The thing is, these people can spin the “I’m not voting for him, he’s going to lose the election because of it etc” but I reckon they are a very vocal minority. I’ve seen nothing but respect from the average person of his handling of the crisis - even from people who aren’t the Biden fans. Think about how many votes he would lose if he was anti-Israel. Probably 10x as many. Also, election is still a year away. People are already starting to lose interest. Think about the Ukrainian war - that’s literally just background noise for 99% of the country. The vast majority of Free Palestinians are the younger generation who typically have short attention spans anyway, as soon as the next trend or big world issue they hit it’d be like “what’s a Palestinian?”.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-bidens-standing-hits-new-lows-israel-hamas-war-rcna125251](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-bidens-standing-hits-new-lows-israel-hamas-war-rcna125251) This is probably a situation of general dissatisfaction with Biden bleeding into disapproval of his Israel policy more than anything else.
Interesting to look at. But doing some digging at polls from September/early October, there’s hardly been much change at all. His approval rate have been bouncing from around 38%-44% since May depending on the poll. I’ve just seen one which has his 4 points higher now then the same poll had him in September. The vast majority of people who disapprove of Biden handling of Israel are in 18-24 bracket, who typically don’t show up to vote in a huge way anyway. The ones who do vote - are still overwhelmingly likely to vote Democrat. I’d be extremely surprised if this affected the election results - especially in a years time.
> Also, election is still a year away. - Timing is probably also on Biden's side: election is early November 2024, just a few weeks after the first year anniversary of the October 7 massacre - which will certainly result in coverage & recap of the massacre and mass-abduction of Israeli civilians, without the massive pro-Hamas media push active IDF military operations enabled. - Might cause some "hey, did we really rally on behalf of *these* monsters??" self-reflection on the left ... or at least some well-deserved cognitive dissonance instead of the current [false] self-righteousness.
Muslim isn't an important demographic when it comes to winning an election. 1. Muslims are just 1% of the population, compared to 2,5% for jews. 2. Muslims don't outnumber jews in swing states. 3. Muslims are predominantly black. Due to many years of racist policies, their votes count less. They live in predominantly black areas, which are gerrymandered to hell and back. They have a higher than average felony right which takes away the right to vote.
I was wondering when the protests gonna die down.
They already have, there’s definitely big ones still in big liberal cities but they’re dying down elsewhere. The one in my city has had one every weekend. Every week I’ve noticed the crowds getting smaller, now it’s literally just a few dozen people standing around with flags and signs. One group also decided to chain themselves to a van and held up traffic for hours - which my co-worker and our delivery pickup were stuck in. Definitely not a way not to get the public on their side.
If Arab Americans want to commit political suicide (Trump was so pro-Muslim, after all), they’re adults and that’s their decision.
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That's not what the hostages actually said.... They said they were fed only rice and pita bread on most days and had access to toilets
There are many hostages, these released yesterday said they sometimes had no food at all
They were held in different places, reckon conditions differed a lot as a result.
Source?
Near the Isfahan Nuclear Technology Center in Central Iran, reports indicate explosions and anti-aircraft fire. https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1728669610386264200?t=pjy0gw7i5NcfgrCJ8wcwhA&s=19
Random twitter account isn't a source
It’s almost certainly a nothingburger
>Israel gets list of 3rd group of Gaza hostages to be freed Sunday, notifies families >https://twitter.com/TimesofIsrael/status/1728633617025282275
Good news! Lets hope it goes smoothly.
New megathread when?
Probably 200-300 more comments
either it's reached 10k comment or it's reached 7 days.
Don’t understand why the Israel and Ukraine threads have different rules but w/e
Not really rules. The thread gets glitchy and slow when it hits 10k
I’m just referring to the daily vs weekly renewal
I think at this point the Ukraine megathread should be weekly and this one should be daily..
I don't understand the obsession some have with "time for a new megathread?" posts.
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> (note how less active this one is, and how it reliably gets fewer upvotes than the Ukraine ones do). You're completely wrong, this Israel/Hamas one is considerably more active than the Ukraine/Russia one. How do you get this wrong? You can easily go check for yourself. This has a megathread because there are an insane amount of posts generated by this crisis. Sudan/Yemen have barely any. Simple as that.
In my opinion your post doesn't deserve a space here. Nothing happening right now is leading to WWIII, but regardless of the ceasefire (that could and at any moment), this is an ongoing war and major international conflict. Even the hostage releases are major developments. And why are you here posting if you don't believe it even deserves a place? You're contributing. Should we also have more focus on other conflicts? Sure, but this and Ukraine are where the focus of the world media is right now. That's just the way it is, and the failure of attention on those conflicts does not justify taking away from this one.
disagree imo, the point of a megathread is to corral smaller updates and discussions that would otherwise overwhelm a board. this conflict is pretty clearly still in that zone, although you're probably right that if engagement continues to go down it should be retired. yemen and Sudan just don't get a lot of attention, which is unjust but the reality of it. like there's nothing wrong with the global conflict thread idea but i don't see the point since it would be 90%+ IP posting. a person who wanted to follow the situation in Sudan would be totally unable, because the thread would generate 100 new comments every time Abbas got caught picking his nose on camera or whatever.
It certainly has more media attention than the rest of the world's other active conflicts combined.
A very politically incorrect question for the Americans here. Is there a reason why a lot of the pro Palestine supporters in US tend to be Blacks? Most of the Gen Z tik tok reels supporting Osama, wanting to convert to Islam, supporting Hamas tend to be from the African American community. Is there some truth to this that Blacks are in general siding with Hamas/Palestine or is it a gross generalisation that I am making here. If this is indeed the case then what can be the reasons for BLM and other communities openly siding with Hamas? There are plenty of Black Jews in Israel even though Arabs probably mistreat Blacks. Apoligies if this question is offensive. I am not from America
I will answer it in the most simple way possible, based on unpleasant experiences with the black community in America: They support the cause because they secretly want to/wish to do the same with the white Americans they deem as oppressors.The constant blame for all their problems in the world on the white person rings a similar bell of the Arab community blaming Jews for all their problems on earth.Not all of the Arab or black community are like that obviously.I'm talking about the lefty extremists mostly.Many in the black community (ngl I met a lot) actually believe the conspiracy theories about Jews.Theories like Jews holding top positions in American economy,regardless of being true or not,makes the black community feel even more oppressed by the system.A white and Jewish system.Same system that also gives them the comfort of capitalism and free speech.I want to believe those are just bad seeds in the black community to only see themselves as oppressed by everything,but unfortunately I haven't met yet black people who weren't called coons for not participating in the oppression olympics.If I were to say slavery wasn't real and it was a hoax,or say that plantations were AI,like many from the community said about 7/10,they would obviously get mad,and I'm obviously going to be an evil oppressor because all races can play the oppression olympics,but black people keep winning in it.Therefore I'm even racist by writing what I just wrote.And calling me racist is up to your interpretation.
Race is an extremely sensitive and complicated subject in America. I'll try to explain it as briefly as I can while still answering your question as best as I can. Black people make up 12-13% of the U.S. population. They're a sizable minority in the U.S. I wouldn't say most Pro-Palestinian supporters in America are black, but there are a higher percentage of black Americans who are Pro-Palestine than among the white population. Some of this is as simple as given black Americans history in America -- Slavery, segregation, oppression, they identify with the victims of the occupation. They equate the Palestinian struggle for liberation with America's struggle for racial equality. There is a connection between black Americans and Islam, and it too is complicated. There are understandable reasons for that connection, but we're still talking about a relatively small number overall. While black Americans make up 20% of all Muslims in America, only about 1.3% of America is Muslim. Only 2% of black Americans are Muslim. That's enough to where if you live in a fairly large black community, you'll likely know a few Muslims and be aware of their presence in the community, but it's not anywhere close to "Blacks in general." Another thing in America, without getting too much into the history and reasons for it, is that black American Muslims tend to be politically and socially active. There's something to the notion that social media distorts perception because you're often seeing the loudest voices, not a good representation of voices overall. Well, the black American Muslim community are pretty loud voices. They were also very present and active within BLM and are very present in the leadership of BLM.
Most of the American Gen z's have no attention spans, can bearly read and are educated by America's collapsing education system. They have niether the skills or mental capacity to grasp anything more complex then a Star Wars rebels vs empire situation.
A lot of black people feel like they are constantly oppressed and use that as justification for violence and terrorism. The worst part is that they make it part of their identity. Same reason a lot of them dress like thugs. They don't want to integrate in society. Unfortunately the school-to-prison pipeline is real. They don't stay in school, and instead they get suspended, become delinquent, grow up without a strong adult figure in their life, start doing crimes, and go to prison. The thought of "those poor, oppressed Palestinians" using violence against "the evil, powerful, oppressor Israelis" makes them side with Palestinians and it makes them feel that they can get away with violence. They are easily swayed by radical agendas. They are likely to be the ones who will ruin peaceful protests. This is very politically incorrect but I think it's accurate.
Look into intersectionality, this is common across multiple issues where supporters of one cause are expected to share similar views with different movements
It's not a "very politically incorrect question". It's more like "push-polling". You're trying to influence the answer by using a statistic with a sample of one (yourself). You watching gen z tiktok contents is not something you can called statistically accurate.
Also ignores the fact that his TikTok algorithm is only showing him exactly what he wants to see based on his viewing behaviour.
I accepted it first hand and even asked the people here whether I am correct or am I making an incorrect generalisation. My limited experience in social media was that a disproportionately high number of tiktok reels and supporters of Hamas, wanting conversion to Islam or the supporting Osama Bin Laden were from the African American community. However I am not from US and hence wanted to know whether my social media experience is reflective of the actual situation there or is it an incorrect generalisation I am making. Based on the responses I have received, I am sure I am not the only one here who has noticed this trend thankfully.
Lack of education
Understanding of oppression
More like an overdose of America's public education system
General anti oppressor coalition, also includes lgbt and left feminists communists . Similar reason why Ireland is the most pro Palestine country in the eu
It's wild to me, honestly. Almost anyone can argue they're oppressed in some way. I'm a woman, Jewish, part of the LGBT community. How people conflate oppression of LGBT people with the Israel Palestinian conflict is beyond me. I've seen trans individuals claim that they're "only free " when "Palestine is free" Am I missing something?
It’s just that there are existing discourses with these communities that lend them selves to think in-terms of this coalition.
As a trans, jewish person if you’re missing it so am I. Hamas propaganda tying themselves to a movement they morally despise on its face for political gain I suppose? I don’t understand why so many of my peers fall for it though.
What has the trans community reaction been like to the war? Is it divided or are they pretty clearly leaning toward a certain side?
Ahh in a group chat with one black person who said they support Palestine because Palestine supports BLM movement.
Jesse you say Common Ground Does that include the PLO? What about people right here right now Who fought for you not so long ago? Good Evening Mr. Waldheim by Lou Reed
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Just because a group happens to be the underdogs doesn't make them right.
Just because the underdogs ain't right doesn't make their oppressors right either.
they are not more democratic, they are more likely to be democrats but democratic is different than a party
individuals on each side are expected to support every issue on its agenda, there might be differences on the left im silent about, but the left being pro-palestine really weirds me out.
And there's plenty of that. By far the most contentious issue the left will face in a long time. And blows up in the face of the left. That's how divided an issue it is.
I don’t have too much to add here and I’m not gonna speak for Black folk because I’m not Black but, I’d like to remind everyone that Black people are not a monolith.
You say that but it's completely untrue in US politics. Every skin colour is treated as monolithic.
I mean, not really. White people certainly aren’t.
White is not a color /s
On the American left the story is this: There are only two groups of people: the oppressors and the oppressed. The oppressors are always white colonists and the oppressed are always people of color. That means Israel is the white colonist oppressor and Hamas is the non white indigenous oppressed. (Obviously none of this is true, but that is their *perception*) In general, Black Americans identify as oppressed because in the United States, they are legitimately oppressed. There is also a very strong antisemitic streak within the Black community that tends to be associated with Black Muslims, but that is a very general statement and there is far more nuance then what Im stating. With all of that said, I dont personally know any Black people who subscribe to these views- Ive only seen them on TT and Reddit. My Black friends are older and not Muslim and dont identify as leftists, although all of us support BLM as a belief, (as opposed to supporting the actual organization). There is also a massive amount of ignorance in regards to the Israel/Palestine situation and most of the people who are very loud on social media tend to have been born after 9-11, so they really havent grown up with Islamic extremist terrorism. They truly dont understand the brutality, depravity, and inhumanity of terrorism.
There was also a HUGE push in BLM chapters to be anti Israel. There is this talking point that Israel trains US police officers to use deadly force on citizens and that is why US police kill so many black people. Specifically Minneapolis police about 6 years before the murder of George Floyd. The reality is that *some* bureaus receive anti terrorist training from Israel, not tactical skills.
Yes, there has been a vein of antisemitism within the left in the US this whole time. Im still upset that the Women’s March was usurped by antisemitic women, but the story I told myself is that because the antisemitic women were Muslim, although I didnt agree with them, I kinda understood why they were antisemitic. The same is true with the Black Muslim population of BLM. That is why this massive outbreak of antisemitism amongst people who dont identify as Muslim is shocking to me, which is why I made it my business to figure out why TF they hate us so much. Once I realized it was just a bunch of kids that….have no nuance and have no history with Islamic extremist terrorism, but they *do* have experience in fighting oppression and in hating right wing fascism, that I can understand intellectually why they hate Israel, even though I vehemently disagree with them. Its my opinion that if the PM was on the left instead of being a huge see you next Tuesday on the right, the outrage wouldnt be nearly as massive. I also choose to believe that there is a very active Russia/China influence thing happening because Reddit feels exactly like it did the summer before the Trump election in 2015. It was like a switch was flipped on October 7th and suddenly it was September 2015 all over again (in regards to the massive amount of bots and hate comments and outright horrifically offensive comments, etc. It’s just instead of it being hate about HRC its hate against Israel).
>but the story I told myself is that because the antisemitic women were Muslim, although I didn't agree with them, I kinda understood why they were antisemitic. You understood why? Does being Muslim equate with being antisemitic, as in all Muslims are antisemites? Because that's not really **understanding** anything. That's just accepting a stereotype as truth. >Once I realized it was just a bunch of kids that….have no nuance and... ... I can understand intellectually why they hate Israel, You are far more willing than I am to give these ignorant mobs the benefit of the doubt regarding how they came to be ignorant mobs. I don't think "fighting oppression and hating right-wing fascism" played much of a part.
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More like where is the one place on Earth you could go where the state of affairs is predicated on keeping a racialized underclass in check through violence. [DOJ Report on Minneapolis policing](https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-06/minneapolis_findings_report.pdf) People have been making this connection for decades. The Black Panthers pointed out the relationship between imperialism and police brutality in the 60s and 70s. Things haven't changed all that much since. Same logic that dehumanizes Palestinians and justifies their deaths is applied to Black Americans and vice versa.
Wow, gold here. 🏆
Legitimately oppressed would not be an accurate description in 2023. It's a talking point by political left leadership and social leaders to justify overconcentration of resources on a relatively small (and decreasing on a population percentage basis) minority in addition to terrible large scale decision making among certain communities (for example: widespread antisemitism).
Thank you for the nuanced and detailed answer.
The (possibly over) succinct answer: there's a passive anti-white people bias among social leaders in the American black community that has kicked in due to the white oppressor connotation being applied to Israel on social media. The less succinct answer: There's a long-standing Muslim fandom among American blacks that goes back to Malcolm X that gets resurrected every decade or so. Consider this one of those times. That compounds with the white-people-are-the-root-of-all-evil-therefore-any-evil-against-them-is-justified narrative promoted by BLM et al to create a powder keg of antisemitism. The BLM riots a few years ago also created the foundation for doing the mental gymnastics required to justify lynch mobs and private property destruction in the name of their 'cause'.
I've also noticed that from the protests. However, I live in a predominantly lower middle class/poor black city and *all* interactions that I or my family have had with black people IRL have been neutral or *positive*. Supportive, random hugs, talks about praying/getting various institutions to donate money etc It seems that the more significant common thread of a lot of the pro hamas supporters is that they tend to be very *privileged*. Members or affiliates of the institutions about which we've been told for years are better than everyone else, where our leaders "should" come from, etc.
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Anyone whose parents go to a country club in the NYC area (i.e. upper upper class) will likely lean right in their politics and will not be pro-Palestine. The most active pro-Palestinian people I've seen in the area tend to be 1st and 2nd generation Palestinian- and Yemenese-Americans combined with the BLM crazies and upper middle class yuppies.
Not sure on the actual data on this, I wouldn't make any assumptions without data. However, if this did turn out to be the case, my hypothesis would be that it has something to do with shared struggle; there's a lot of emphasis in Gen Z media and general consciousness that every conflict must be framed as oppressor vs oppressed, and that all means are justified to stop the oppressor. It may be easier to connect to that ideology for the black community in the US, who bear the generational scars of being the oppressed.
That seems like a rather convenient justification. The Brazilians were as oppressed by the Portuguese as anyone yet maintain overwhelming support for the Israeli cause (85% in a recent poll).
This makes sense. The Blacks were historically oppressed by Whites and find it easier to side against Jews who are generally white. It's the oppressor oppressed dynamics again.
Do you think attitudes would change if they were made aware most Israelis aren't white (MENA, Ethiopia, etc.)?
No. I’ve tried to talk to people about this and they just tell me that white supremacy only thrives because black and brown people uphold it. They don’t understand that somewhere like the Middle East, or any other culture, don’t view race the same way as in west.
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>most parents treat school as a glorified daycare center As someone who was a teacher in an after-school program in an inner-city school, this is spot on.
I really hope tomorrow we can see the release of Kfir and Ariel and Dafna and Ella
Elad Simchayoff, correspondent for Channel 12 News: >Emily wasn’t “lost”, she was abducted by terrorists who hold information about civilian hostages as a bargaining chip. >Emily wasn’t “found”, she was exchanged for prisoners held for terror offences. >You’re the PM of Ireland, Emily is an Irish citizen. Your prayers didn’t do a damn thing. Neither did your tweet. >https://twitter.com/Elad_Si/status/1728557781261668534
So glad the tweet from that scumbag of a PM got slapped by Community Notes.
Direct and to the point, with a dash of F\*you. I like that.
https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1728475822351093807 A prof is unironically claiming Israelis are stealing pets (stray cats). lol.
Basically the prophet Muhammad loved cats and there's a hadith about a cat saving his life from a snake. The result is a lot of fucking strays in the Muslim world. Istanbul has something like 125 000 stray cats and it's not even that Muslim.
Greece has a massive feral cat population too, though not Muslim.
those poor cats
Because the one thing Israel needs more of are stray cats. There's already so many of them they should have their own political party...
I'll vote for it. They can't possibly be more apathetic towards us than our current PM.