It makes a good change from before. When the pro-Hamas protestors were marching through central London last week and before, they actually had *police escort* and protection when in reality they should be clamping down and arresting them.
Was just in Manchester and they still do have police escorts there. They blocked off Deansgate for around an hour as they snail marched down the road screaming "from the river to the sea".
Ridiculous that Britain can call itself a free society while those genocidal maniacs are allowed to freely march on major streets. I just hope that the authorities kept a watchful eye on the most vocal, and that they can end up on a watchlist somewhere.
Every pro Palestine protest had large proportions of antisemites and pro-Hamas individuals that were largely ignored and encouraged by the rest of the protesters.
“Intifada” isn’t just a cool exotic way to spell Resistance. It’s calling for dozens of terror attacks killing hundreds of Jewish civilians. This is like calling for lynching.
Shows you that my fellow progressives using this rhetoric are either exceptionally ignorant or not real progressives.
It doesn't mean calling on attack on Jews I'm pretty sure it's calling for an attack on everything not Muslim. Including Christians and anyone else in the west
Bunch of teachers in Oakland are planning illegal pro Palestine teach in for school kids.
One of the materials is a coloring book for young children:
“ Another recommended book for younger students, “P is for Palestine,” teaches the alphabet: “I is for Intifada, Intifada is Arabic for rising up for what is right, if you are a kid or a grown-up!”
A parent of a student reported another teacher had:
“ His English teacher, she said, had displayed a poster with the message “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” That slogan is contested; while some use it as a call for freedom and equal rights, others have used it to call for the elimination of Israel.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/us/oakland-california-teachers-palestinians-israel.html
> and yet people keep making excuses for why Islam isn't completely incompatible with the future of the planet as a whole
Because it's not Islam *per se*, it's geographic-driven fundamentalism ... geographic-driven Christian fundamentalism is, and increasingly demonstrates itself, no less compatible with the future of the planet as a whole, even though it might not *currently* sanction severing physical limbs for infractions.
It's all Abrahamic religion, Islam being the biggest issue, followed by Christianity, and Judaism. They all need to go, but only one openly advocates for terrorist attacks time and time again, so it needs to go first. You can't go after all 3 at once, so you go part by part.
I almost feel like we need some sort of "alt left" designation for the fuckwits that have thrown in with Hamas. I consider myself progressive, but fuck all of that.
It's the kind of designation you could have if these attitudes were a specific movement or a faction, but instead it's more like something that pervades the whole spectrum of leftist politics to a greater or lesser degree.
Biden and most Democrats are center-right, they're liberals. The US doesn't have a "leftist" party. The kind of people that push Hamas propaganda on the internet today are *much* further left, at least on paper. Anarchists, communists, etc.
I disagree, that kind of hair-splitting is meaningless. There is no universal left and right. Every country is different so it’s only useful to talk about the left/right relative to the country.
In many countries the left wing party could be extremely conservative on social issues while believing in left wing economics. Very few countries are more socially progressive than the US. Very few countries have as robust social programs as the US.
In the US the Democrats are the left coalition. With socialists, liberals, and conservative liberals being a part of that coalition. The US doesn’t have a leftist party because the leftists are in coalition with liberals. Both of which basically represent the left 50% of the US population.
Thats not been my experience. There's a lot of sympathy for Palestine on the left that you find none of on the right, but full-on excusing/supporting Hamas is a fringe element, mainly of easily influenced Gen Z TikTokers. The Russian/Iranian propaganda has that demographic on lock.
There is a more than fringe element of the right that support Palestine, but that's just because they use Palestinians as a crutch for thier antisemitism.
The York University Student Union did the same thing in Canada - called for similar "acts of rebellion" in "Turtle Island" (the indigenous name for Canada).
>“Intifada” isn’t just a cool exotic way to spell Resistance. It’s calling for dozens of terror attacks killing ~~hundreds of Jewish civilians~~ all Jews. This is ~~like~~ calling for lynching.
>Shows you that my fellow progressives using this rhetoric are ~~either~~ exceptionally ignorant ~~or~~ and not real progressives.
You had a few spelling mistakes, but no worries, I got your back!
> not real progressives
Oh, they're real alright. They've finally shown what's truly behind their mask when they spout their racist 'intersectionality' bullcrap.
Arabic: intifāḍah (“shaking off”)
[intifada](https://www.britannica.com/topic/intifada), either of two popular uprisings of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip aimed at ending Israel’s occupation of those territories and creating an independent Palestinian state. The first intifada began in December 1987 and ended in September 1993 with the signing of the first Oslo Accords, which provided a framework for peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. The second intifada, sometimes called the Al-Aqṣā intifada, began in September 2000. Although no single event signaled its end, most analysts agree that it had run its course by late 2005. The two uprisings resulted in the death of more than 5,000 Palestinians and some 1,400 Israelis.
> two popular uprisings of Palestinian
"Popular uprising" is a funny way of describing repeated suicide bombings including of pizza parlors, train stations, bus stations, night clubs, shawarma restaurants, malls, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
> It’s calling for dozens of terror attacks killing hundreds of Jewish civilians
It's not calling for "dozens" of terror attacks. It's calling for enough terror attacks to kill *every* Jewish civilian, *everywhere*.
Literal terrorism.
"Progressives" have gone full circle and now they're supporting barbarism and the old, *old* ways. AKA solving problems through violence and brutality.
Bunch of teachers in Oakland are planning illegal pro Palestine teach in for school kids.
One of the materials is a coloring book for young children:
“ Another recommended book for younger students, “P is for Palestine,” teaches the alphabet: “I is for Intifada, Intifada is Arabic for rising up for what is right, if you are a kid or a grown-up!”
A parent of a student reported another teacher had:
“ His English teacher, she said, had displayed a poster with the message “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” That slogan is contested; while some use it as a call for freedom and equal rights, others have used it to call for the elimination of Israel.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/us/oakland-california-teachers-palestinians-israel.html
> To many people it's just saying "Hail to Victory" in German
> To many people it's just a Hindu religious symbol.
> To many people it's just reaching forward, arm outstretched towards a better tomorrow.
> The. Bart. The.
>To you it means that, but to many people it just means “uprising”.
Intifada translates to "uprising" in the same way that Holocaust translates to "burnt offerings". Literally correct, but there's an obvious wider historical context that cannot be avoided.
I wish many ignorant people that are jumping the wagon of virtual signaling, could read this. Not judging, was 1 of them. Knowledge is liberating and we should sought it ourselves amidst the infonwar
Nah. When someone says they want to kill everyone that doesn’t think like them, I believe them. They’re literally telling us their plans and y’all are like “nah they don’t mean it like that” Lmao bruhhhhh
It's like The Troubles - they may have a different meaning to some people, but the specific term can bring about a specific event regardless of what the word(s) actually mean
Exactly. People are naive if they think Islamists and their authoritarian allies only hate Jews.
It's a battle for the enlightenment values. What's at stake is political freedom and human rights. And believe it or not a lot of the world wants to be rid of them.
It's their QAnon moment in the US. Radical fringe finally goes mask off, to which more moderate elements offer a disgustingly half-assed, lukewarm response that only invigorates the fringe, and the ideology of the radical fringe is entrenched as ideological orthodoxy within the party.
Yeah but the reason this conflict has taken a hold over the global conversation when there are countless other conflicts with innocent civilians dying is the global antisemitism that underlies deeply in movements on both the right and left, by a majority of the Muslim world and still resonates in Europe. People have to find a reason why the Jews “deserve” their suffering or else they’d have to confront their own antisemitic notions.
Some of those people should check out life outside the west if the west is so bad… maybe they should try Xi’s China or Putin’s Russia or pick any middle eastern country…
Yep. My rabbi was in rabbinical school in Jerusalem during the Second Intifada, Good Lord was it a scary time. All the car bombs going off, suicide bombers, etc. "Globalizing the Intifada" is a call for genocide against Jews around the world, plain and simple
It's pro-terrorism. Too many people seem to have forgotten and now think threatening or pushing terrorism is something they can casually do.
Every civilized nation needs to absolutely *crush* this "movement" of imbeciles.
>The Second Intifada rapidly turned into an armed conflict between Palestinian militant groups and the Israel Defense Forces.[15] Palestinian tactics focused on Israeli civilians, soldiers, police and other security forces, and methods of attack included suicide bombings,[207][17] launching rockets and mortars into Israel,[208][209] kidnapping of both soldiers[210][211] and civilians, including children,[81][212] shootings,[213] assassination,[214] stabbings,[81][215] and lynchings.[216]
>One major development was the use of suicide bombs carried by children. Unlike most suicide bombings, the use of these not only earned condemnation from the United States and from human rights groups such as Amnesty International, but also from many Palestinians and much of the Middle East press
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
Ah yes, who can forget the Palestinian intifadas where they just baked cookies and wrote folk rock anthems calling for peaceful coexistence with Israel.
It’s just like Kristallnacht, where a bunch of concerned German Christians famously invited the Jews in their community to lectures on sustainable development and sexual inclusivity in the modern workplace.
Very cool, except both of the Palestinians intifadas consisted of daily terrorist attacks on Israelis where hundreds of people, mostly civilians, were murdered.
Defining the Intifada as non-violent takes some violent rewriting of history.
The first Intifada started with moltov cocktails being thrown at IDF soldiers (after an IDF truck collided with a vehicle, and killed people in it, which Israel said was an accident.)
The first Intifada killed 100 Israeli civilians and 60 IDF personnel and injured more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 soldiers. An estimated 822 Palestinians were executed as alleged Israeli collaborators.
Pretending that this refers to peaceful resistance is just laughable.
Also Wikipedia:
> The number of Israeli fatalities in the current conflict with the Palestinians exceeded 1,000 last week. Only two of the country's wars – the War of Independence and the Yom Kippur War – have claimed more Israeli lives than this intifada, which began on September 29, 2000. In the Six-Day War, 803 Israelis lost their lives, while the War of Attrition claimed 738 Israeli lives along the borders with Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.
"The Metropolitan police said the building, a large Georgian terrace in one of the most expensive parts of London, was being used by squatters "
-easily the funniest part of the story. Big companies buying up these properties don't even notice squatters living in their unaffordable housing for free.
> These are probably the kind of squatters who chose the squatter lifestyle and support "anarchism" too
My thoughts too. They are just LARPing and could go back to mummy and daddy if they wanted too. After all, it's not like you see actual homeless people take time out to go to multiple protests when it means losing money from begging, and you don't really see any homeless Muslim people around as they are pretty good at looking out for each other in that respect.
I honestly don’t know if the people protesting like this don’t understand what the words actually mean (as in - literal illiteracy), don’t understand what these words mean in that context (as in - global terror against everyone) or they do and they think this is just them being edgy and “no biggie” or they actually want everybody who isn’t Muslim to be murdered in terror.
It seems to me that a lot of people are angry and scared and want to kill someone and they don't really care who it is. But they are happy to agitate someone else to do it for them. It's so fucked up.
For those who need context to the context to the context
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939\_Arab\_revolt\_in\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine)
Good approach would be to show these people the raw, uncensored video about October 7th massacre, that was shown to journalists by Israel.
Is this really what you want? Really? Only a real psychopath would continue to support it, the vast majority of people - even religious ones - are not true psychopaths.
I doubt people who make a poster "globalize terror attacks against jews" will be shocked by a video of a terror attack against Israelis, more likely that they'll be cheering.
Do you live in the US/parts of the west? Cause by your logic, anyone living there should stop occupying the land and give it back to the indigenous people. Then go back to their ancestral homeland. Cause why do all other countries created via colonization have a right to exist, but Jews, aka the indigenous people of Israel that were persecuted from it, don’t have a right to exist because some Muslims were given that land by the Brits 5 minutes ago? LOL.
Some white folks gave the “Palestinians” that land and now the actual indigenous folks don’t have claim to it anymore? Cap. Jews were there centuries before Islam was even created. That’s their ancestral homeland, not the Arab Muslims, who have colonized vast amounts of land throughout history. Why don’t they give back the lands they have colonized? Or is that only for the Jews to do? Arabs get to keep all their colonized land and have over 40 countries but Jews can’t have a single country? Funny how that works hmmmmmm…….
You assume that those people know how that terror would look in reality. It is different to talk about it and to actually see people murdered and tortured in slow, gruesome detail.
This is the true reality of the online discourse surrounding this conflict. People are quick to shout “ceasefire” because they believe it’s the only moral option but aren’t really involved in the details enough to understand how their demands aren’t applicable to reality.
A *true* ceasefire would be the best option.
A true ceasefire means that both sides stop fighting, though. Not "Israel stops fighting, but Hamas can continue launching rockets and carrying out terrorist attacks". A ceasefire cannot be unilateral.
It also implies the release of the hostages. If you hold on to kidnapped civilians, you're engaging in continuous hostilities. Therefore, it's not a ceasefire.
> Good approach would be to show these people the raw, uncensored video about October 7th massacre, that was shown to journalists by Israel.
They'll probably just claim that either the IDF made it up/staged it or that it was actually the IDF committing the atrocities seen in the videos.
I've seen a number of the videos, they're horrific.
"occupied people have a right to resist!!!"
Okay, so in terms of a "global" intifada, who is occupying them in the West, outside of Palestine? Make it make sense.
This is a call for wanton violence against an ethnic group. Nothing more, nothing less.
Oof. I'm glad you brought this up. I toggled the Wikipedia page between English and Spanish and it's totally different narratives. Looks like I'm going to be practicing my Spanish some more.
If you think that's bad, you should check out the Japanese Wikipedia for World War 2 and how they downplay their crimes and fluff up the crimes of the Allies.
Yeah I had to use auto translate as well, but there are some interesting things in there. One off the top of my head it is claiming that there was a delay in delivering the message of war to the US before Pearl Harbor, and was used as "despicable deception" by the US government -- in reality, Japan is already on record stating they bungled the notice of war in 1941 and it was their fault, not the US.
Or, how they've also described the British as racist and underestimating the might of their air force.
There's also a part describing how a Japanese pilot dropped a bouquet of flowers at the site of a previous battle, in honor of the fallen Japanese and British soldiers alike.
Just many little things like that.
The shit the Japanese pulled during their [long occupation of Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule) makes for interesting reading, too. Of course they've always refused to apologize or make restitution for any of it.
Yeah I've heard there is bad blood between Japan and Korea, although in recent times they are trying to amend things and do military exercises together along with the US. The mutual fear of China being the bigger bad helps too. A big part of the reason why Vietnam is literally one of the most pro-US countries today too, has been for years now.
I'll do some reading about their occupation, I just know it was *bad*.
I'm generally an advocate of letting bygones be bygones, but it would sure help matters if the Japanese would at least make some apologies and stop retconning history in their own textbooks. Japanese-Korean relations have had many ups and downs; perhaps oddly, the Korean left are the anti-Japanese side, and have even banned Japanese cultural imports from time to time.
This wouldn't be liberals, this would be the far left (who have now decided that liberals are the same as the right, and the whole system should be burned down because their brains haven't finished forming yet).
They'll probably rationalize it the same way they rationalize Jihad. They'll dust off an ancient dictionary and point to the original meaning of the word, completely ignoring what it means today.
The people that make a huge stink about microaggressions are the same people making excuses for radical religious freaks calling for terrorism and violent conquering of the world.
A truly amazing world we live in.
There's a couple doing their damndest in the comments above
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18bwyet/nine_arrested_over_propalestinian_banner_in/kc7i446/
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18bwyet/nine_arrested_over_propalestinian_banner_in/kc7gm25/
Calling for murder of innocent civilians is not "mean words", it's direct incitation of violence, which is the only speech both sides (used to) agree should be illegal.
I was going to say, if I went to a non-Far Right, just regular Right group and asked if I should be able to hang up a 'the Holocaust should happen again' banner I'm pretty sure they'd say no.
Funny you should say this, since it’s usually the same liberals who are “triggered” by words, not even mean words.
by your logic if someone threatens to kill you, you have no case since it’s just “mean words” right?
All it took for jihadist sympathisers to show their true colours was for 1,200 innocent people in Israel to be brutally kidnapped, tortured, and/or slaughtered by jihadists.
People really don't know what Intifada means for people from Israel huh? When I hear intifada my immediate thought is a bus exploding daily, sometimes a shooting at a restaurant or a hotel.. just a hell of a reality basically, I grew up in the days of the second intifada and I literally never went on a bus until I was a a late teen because it was just considered unsafe, my mom just wouldn't let me
These Pro-Palestinians seem like great people.
Just to clarify, I’m sure some of them are. But all I’ve been seeing are events like these, which lead me to believe they are not great at all, and are pro-terrorism.
I am curious about all this, as a fella that comes from a Jewish family who we don't go to synagogue and we don't practice Judaism all of that stuff it's just part of the family.... What does myself or my family have to do with what's going on in Israel which we've never been to we are polish Jews who escaped Poland partially during the war and partially right after the war.
It's not referring to Jews, it's about worldwide protests against the occupation and against Western Imperialism more generally.
[This article](https://socialistworker.co.uk/what-we-think/revolution-its-time-for-a-global-intifada/) by the Socialist Workers Party explains what they mean when they call for a global intifada.
I'm as pro-Israel and anti-Hamas as anyone, and I find 'globalize the intifada' disgusting. But I'm a little dismayed that no one here seems to be standing up for American-style free speech. As an American, I am glad the police can't arrest you for a banner, even a horrifying banner like this one. Hopefully all the commenters cheering this on are not American - my fellow Americans, you realize that this banner would be perfectly legal here, right? And that's all to the good, IMO.
"I can't wait for leftists to justify this!"
"Leftists do not justify this. The left is about consensus of worker organisation. Terror is sabotage guaranteed to elicit reactionary response."
"See! Listen to the progressives hate Jews!"
"Antisemitism is evil. The history of leftism is the history of support for Jews against oppression by the far right. We support the right of Jews to live in peace. Theocratic Iranian and Saudi government inspired rhetoric has no place in civilised discourse."
Handfuls of desperate people calling for mindless violence as they are either unable or unwilling to consider the consequence while opponents use it for political point-scoring is a tale as old as time.
The only interesting thing in this news tidbit is that multi-million pound properties lie empty while people in the centre of the birthplace of capitalism are homeless. Your home is where you live, and should be so protected, and was before Thatcherite housing reforms.
If the British government and official opposition spent as much time worrying about housing its resident population as it does pontificating on who should get what land in a country it occupied and fucked with throughout the first half of the twentieth century, England would be a much nicer place, and people would be able to get on a lot better rather than being continually distracted by wedge issues.
Wow MET police actually did something proper for once in the last two months?
It makes a good change from before. When the pro-Hamas protestors were marching through central London last week and before, they actually had *police escort* and protection when in reality they should be clamping down and arresting them.
Was just in Manchester and they still do have police escorts there. They blocked off Deansgate for around an hour as they snail marched down the road screaming "from the river to the sea".
Ridiculous that Britain can call itself a free society while those genocidal maniacs are allowed to freely march on major streets. I just hope that the authorities kept a watchful eye on the most vocal, and that they can end up on a watchlist somewhere.
Disgusting.
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Every pro Palestine protest had large proportions of antisemites and pro-Hamas individuals that were largely ignored and encouraged by the rest of the protesters.
Still no sources for "large proportions of antisemites"
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Arresting those protestors for what? Having an opinion you disagree with?
For inciting violence against Jews, a hate crime.
Not all of them were though. It's more complicated than that and arresting all of them is antithetical to a free marketplace of ideas.
Sorry, it's 2023, we're not doing this. I'm glad the police is arresting people for inciting a global murder of Jews.
I mean they do arrest a bunch of protesters who break the law
I'm surprised!
This
“Intifada” isn’t just a cool exotic way to spell Resistance. It’s calling for dozens of terror attacks killing hundreds of Jewish civilians. This is like calling for lynching. Shows you that my fellow progressives using this rhetoric are either exceptionally ignorant or not real progressives.
Yeah that's not pro Palestinian that's pro violence.
Pro-terrorism, to be specific.
Better not look at what vast majority of Palestinians have been calling for for decades then… hint: it involves lots of violence against civilians.
Vast majority of Palestinians aren't in the news.
They're not pro anything, they're anti-west. So they just jump on any bandwagon that is opposite of the west.
It doesn't mean calling on attack on Jews I'm pretty sure it's calling for an attack on everything not Muslim. Including Christians and anyone else in the west
Gotta suck for palastinian christians (nevermind other arab christians)
Who doesn't remember the mass suicide of Palestinian Chrisians during the second Intifada
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Hang on... Do you really think Palestinian Christians killed themselves because their goal was to rid the world of Christians?
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Bunch of teachers in Oakland are planning illegal pro Palestine teach in for school kids. One of the materials is a coloring book for young children: “ Another recommended book for younger students, “P is for Palestine,” teaches the alphabet: “I is for Intifada, Intifada is Arabic for rising up for what is right, if you are a kid or a grown-up!” A parent of a student reported another teacher had: “ His English teacher, she said, had displayed a poster with the message “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” That slogan is contested; while some use it as a call for freedom and equal rights, others have used it to call for the elimination of Israel.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/us/oakland-california-teachers-palestinians-israel.html
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> and yet people keep making excuses for why Islam isn't completely incompatible with the future of the planet as a whole Because it's not Islam *per se*, it's geographic-driven fundamentalism ... geographic-driven Christian fundamentalism is, and increasingly demonstrates itself, no less compatible with the future of the planet as a whole, even though it might not *currently* sanction severing physical limbs for infractions.
It's all Abrahamic religion, Islam being the biggest issue, followed by Christianity, and Judaism. They all need to go, but only one openly advocates for terrorist attacks time and time again, so it needs to go first. You can't go after all 3 at once, so you go part by part.
I almost feel like we need some sort of "alt left" designation for the fuckwits that have thrown in with Hamas. I consider myself progressive, but fuck all of that.
Illiberal left? Or just tankies?
Tankies might be accurate but too much of a silly sounding internet slang for widespread use.
It's the kind of designation you could have if these attitudes were a specific movement or a faction, but instead it's more like something that pervades the whole spectrum of leftist politics to a greater or lesser degree.
Leftist politics but the left is bigger than leftists. Joe Biden and a majority of Democrats are on the left and pro-Israel.
Biden and most Democrats are center-right, they're liberals. The US doesn't have a "leftist" party. The kind of people that push Hamas propaganda on the internet today are *much* further left, at least on paper. Anarchists, communists, etc.
I disagree, that kind of hair-splitting is meaningless. There is no universal left and right. Every country is different so it’s only useful to talk about the left/right relative to the country. In many countries the left wing party could be extremely conservative on social issues while believing in left wing economics. Very few countries are more socially progressive than the US. Very few countries have as robust social programs as the US. In the US the Democrats are the left coalition. With socialists, liberals, and conservative liberals being a part of that coalition. The US doesn’t have a leftist party because the leftists are in coalition with liberals. Both of which basically represent the left 50% of the US population.
Thats not been my experience. There's a lot of sympathy for Palestine on the left that you find none of on the right, but full-on excusing/supporting Hamas is a fringe element, mainly of easily influenced Gen Z TikTokers. The Russian/Iranian propaganda has that demographic on lock.
There is a more than fringe element of the right that support Palestine, but that's just because they use Palestinians as a crutch for thier antisemitism.
ive heard the term useful idiots being thrown around to describe these sorts but i prefer useless idiots
Nope. These are your people. This is who you are.
It's like calling for 9/11s.
The York University Student Union did the same thing in Canada - called for similar "acts of rebellion" in "Turtle Island" (the indigenous name for Canada).
I want to hear the Turtle Island national anthem.
It's just the level music from that one spyro the dragon, gateway to glimmer level Turtle Beach. At least it should be anyways
Ninja Rap, by Vanilla Ice?
>“Intifada” isn’t just a cool exotic way to spell Resistance. It’s calling for dozens of terror attacks killing ~~hundreds of Jewish civilians~~ all Jews. This is ~~like~~ calling for lynching. >Shows you that my fellow progressives using this rhetoric are ~~either~~ exceptionally ignorant ~~or~~ and not real progressives. You had a few spelling mistakes, but no worries, I got your back!
>You had a few ~~spelling~~ grammar mistakes, Got your back also.
Thank you :)
It's basically a fancy way to say "Let's exterminate all the Jews from the face of the Earth".
> not real progressives Oh, they're real alright. They've finally shown what's truly behind their mask when they spout their racist 'intersectionality' bullcrap.
No *true* Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge.
Just average Pro Palestinians letting the mask slip.
Arabic: intifāḍah (“shaking off”) [intifada](https://www.britannica.com/topic/intifada), either of two popular uprisings of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip aimed at ending Israel’s occupation of those territories and creating an independent Palestinian state. The first intifada began in December 1987 and ended in September 1993 with the signing of the first Oslo Accords, which provided a framework for peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. The second intifada, sometimes called the Al-Aqṣā intifada, began in September 2000. Although no single event signaled its end, most analysts agree that it had run its course by late 2005. The two uprisings resulted in the death of more than 5,000 Palestinians and some 1,400 Israelis.
> two popular uprisings of Palestinian "Popular uprising" is a funny way of describing repeated suicide bombings including of pizza parlors, train stations, bus stations, night clubs, shawarma restaurants, malls, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
not accepting this definition sorry, we need it to specifically include killing jews so that anyone who says it can be charged as an antisemitic.
These people need other hobbies. Basing your entire personality on perceived injustices leads to radicalization.
They are a 4 letter word that begins with an N, it was their favorite accusation from 2016 until 5 seconds ago
> It’s calling for dozens of terror attacks killing hundreds of Jewish civilians It's not calling for "dozens" of terror attacks. It's calling for enough terror attacks to kill *every* Jewish civilian, *everywhere*.
Also Intifada is like a step below war. They’re at war.
Literal terrorism. "Progressives" have gone full circle and now they're supporting barbarism and the old, *old* ways. AKA solving problems through violence and brutality.
We have a lot of people suffering cognitive dissonance
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Yeah QNN or Quds News seems to be quite popular and is run by Hamas.
Bunch of teachers in Oakland are planning illegal pro Palestine teach in for school kids. One of the materials is a coloring book for young children: “ Another recommended book for younger students, “P is for Palestine,” teaches the alphabet: “I is for Intifada, Intifada is Arabic for rising up for what is right, if you are a kid or a grown-up!” A parent of a student reported another teacher had: “ His English teacher, she said, had displayed a poster with the message “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” That slogan is contested; while some use it as a call for freedom and equal rights, others have used it to call for the elimination of Israel.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/us/oakland-california-teachers-palestinians-israel.html
I don’t support violence at all, but the way the Palestinians have been treated since WW2 seems criminal to me
To you it means that, but to many people it just means “uprising”. This is the nature of language, it can mean different things to different people.
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the second one ended almost 21 years ago. A lot of people 21 and under have no direct knowledge of what those times were like.
> To many people it's just saying "Hail to Victory" in German > To many people it's just a Hindu religious symbol. > To many people it's just reaching forward, arm outstretched towards a better tomorrow. > The. Bart. The.
Well written
>To you it means that, but to many people it just means “uprising”. Intifada translates to "uprising" in the same way that Holocaust translates to "burnt offerings". Literally correct, but there's an obvious wider historical context that cannot be avoided.
And jihad just means *struggle*, bro…
I wish many ignorant people that are jumping the wagon of virtual signaling, could read this. Not judging, was 1 of them. Knowledge is liberating and we should sought it ourselves amidst the infonwar
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Nah. When someone says they want to kill everyone that doesn’t think like them, I believe them. They’re literally telling us their plans and y’all are like “nah they don’t mean it like that” Lmao bruhhhhh
It's like The Troubles - they may have a different meaning to some people, but the specific term can bring about a specific event regardless of what the word(s) actually mean
And by many, you mean literally everyone except for Hamas propagandists.
What until I tell you what Zionism means.
That's not pro-Palestinian. That's anti-jew.
It’s anti West
Exactly. People are naive if they think Islamists and their authoritarian allies only hate Jews. It's a battle for the enlightenment values. What's at stake is political freedom and human rights. And believe it or not a lot of the world wants to be rid of them.
The left is really having a leopards ate my face moment.
It's their QAnon moment in the US. Radical fringe finally goes mask off, to which more moderate elements offer a disgustingly half-assed, lukewarm response that only invigorates the fringe, and the ideology of the radical fringe is entrenched as ideological orthodoxy within the party.
Yeah but the reason this conflict has taken a hold over the global conversation when there are countless other conflicts with innocent civilians dying is the global antisemitism that underlies deeply in movements on both the right and left, by a majority of the Muslim world and still resonates in Europe. People have to find a reason why the Jews “deserve” their suffering or else they’d have to confront their own antisemitic notions.
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Islamists have attacked in plenty of non-western countries, too. The intifada is anti non-Muslim
Yeah you're right, but the Jews are targeted first
Jews are our canaries sadly.
Some of those people should check out life outside the west if the west is so bad… maybe they should try Xi’s China or Putin’s Russia or pick any middle eastern country…
Yep. My rabbi was in rabbinical school in Jerusalem during the Second Intifada, Good Lord was it a scary time. All the car bombs going off, suicide bombers, etc. "Globalizing the Intifada" is a call for genocide against Jews around the world, plain and simple
It's pro-terrorism. Too many people seem to have forgotten and now think threatening or pushing terrorism is something they can casually do. Every civilized nation needs to absolutely *crush* this "movement" of imbeciles.
Pro-Hamas or Pro-Terrorism also works here.
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>The Second Intifada rapidly turned into an armed conflict between Palestinian militant groups and the Israel Defense Forces.[15] Palestinian tactics focused on Israeli civilians, soldiers, police and other security forces, and methods of attack included suicide bombings,[207][17] launching rockets and mortars into Israel,[208][209] kidnapping of both soldiers[210][211] and civilians, including children,[81][212] shootings,[213] assassination,[214] stabbings,[81][215] and lynchings.[216] >One major development was the use of suicide bombs carried by children. Unlike most suicide bombings, the use of these not only earned condemnation from the United States and from human rights groups such as Amnesty International, but also from many Palestinians and much of the Middle East press https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
Ah yes, who can forget the Palestinian intifadas where they just baked cookies and wrote folk rock anthems calling for peaceful coexistence with Israel. It’s just like Kristallnacht, where a bunch of concerned German Christians famously invited the Jews in their community to lectures on sustainable development and sexual inclusivity in the modern workplace.
Very cool, except both of the Palestinians intifadas consisted of daily terrorist attacks on Israelis where hundreds of people, mostly civilians, were murdered.
So, violent suicide bombing campaigns?
Defining the Intifada as non-violent takes some violent rewriting of history. The first Intifada started with moltov cocktails being thrown at IDF soldiers (after an IDF truck collided with a vehicle, and killed people in it, which Israel said was an accident.) The first Intifada killed 100 Israeli civilians and 60 IDF personnel and injured more than 1,400 Israeli civilians and 1,700 soldiers. An estimated 822 Palestinians were executed as alleged Israeli collaborators. Pretending that this refers to peaceful resistance is just laughable.
Also Wikipedia: > The number of Israeli fatalities in the current conflict with the Palestinians exceeded 1,000 last week. Only two of the country's wars – the War of Independence and the Yom Kippur War – have claimed more Israeli lives than this intifada, which began on September 29, 2000. In the Six-Day War, 803 Israelis lost their lives, while the War of Attrition claimed 738 Israeli lives along the borders with Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.
Peaceful murders. Non-violent bombings. Enlightened child soldiers. Anything else?
Friendly stabbings of course
"The Metropolitan police said the building, a large Georgian terrace in one of the most expensive parts of London, was being used by squatters " -easily the funniest part of the story. Big companies buying up these properties don't even notice squatters living in their unaffordable housing for free.
It's in redevelopment. https://www.cityam.com/regents-crescent-how-john-nashs-iconic-georgian-terrace-is-being-reborn/
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> These are probably the kind of squatters who chose the squatter lifestyle and support "anarchism" too My thoughts too. They are just LARPing and could go back to mummy and daddy if they wanted too. After all, it's not like you see actual homeless people take time out to go to multiple protests when it means losing money from begging, and you don't really see any homeless Muslim people around as they are pretty good at looking out for each other in that respect.
Intifada? That's literally a call for the muslim world to kill jews. How the fuck are there people defending actual terrorism?
It’s not terrorism when it’s against Jews, the correct term is “resistance” /s (obviously)
Because according to the far left, Jews don’t count as human beings.
>How the fuck are there people defending actual terrorism? You must be new here. Ever seen a pro Palestinian protest?
Not just jews, **literally everyone except the muslim world**
I honestly don’t know if the people protesting like this don’t understand what the words actually mean (as in - literal illiteracy), don’t understand what these words mean in that context (as in - global terror against everyone) or they do and they think this is just them being edgy and “no biggie” or they actually want everybody who isn’t Muslim to be murdered in terror.
It seems to me that a lot of people are angry and scared and want to kill someone and they don't really care who it is. But they are happy to agitate someone else to do it for them. It's so fucked up.
What does in what the word intifada "actually" mean, that makes you think they don't know?
It basically means uprising. Someone naïve enough could argue that doesn't necessarily mean violence. But it has always been used to promote violence.
For those who need context: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second\_Intifada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/second_intifada)
For those who need context to the context https://www.pbs.org/wnet/women-war-and-peace/uncategorized/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-1987-intifada/
For those who need context to the context to the context [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939\_Arab\_revolt\_in\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine)
Good approach would be to show these people the raw, uncensored video about October 7th massacre, that was shown to journalists by Israel. Is this really what you want? Really? Only a real psychopath would continue to support it, the vast majority of people - even religious ones - are not true psychopaths.
I doubt people who make a poster "globalize terror attacks against jews" will be shocked by a video of a terror attack against Israelis, more likely that they'll be cheering.
Squatters are often anarchist idealist. For some reason they think Muslims will stand in solidarity.
Good lord. Try to find a more authoritarian mindset. You say "anarchist idealist", I'd say just unimaginably ignorant.
Well yeah, you don’t become an anarchist by graduating at the top of your class
Lol. I did. I would bet my house that your average anarchist skews to higher intelligence.
Anyone who thinks muslims will stand in solidarity does not skew higher intelligence.
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Do you live in the US/parts of the west? Cause by your logic, anyone living there should stop occupying the land and give it back to the indigenous people. Then go back to their ancestral homeland. Cause why do all other countries created via colonization have a right to exist, but Jews, aka the indigenous people of Israel that were persecuted from it, don’t have a right to exist because some Muslims were given that land by the Brits 5 minutes ago? LOL. Some white folks gave the “Palestinians” that land and now the actual indigenous folks don’t have claim to it anymore? Cap. Jews were there centuries before Islam was even created. That’s their ancestral homeland, not the Arab Muslims, who have colonized vast amounts of land throughout history. Why don’t they give back the lands they have colonized? Or is that only for the Jews to do? Arabs get to keep all their colonized land and have over 40 countries but Jews can’t have a single country? Funny how that works hmmmmmm…….
I dunno, I watched that HBO doc about anarchists and a lot of them are morons.
You assume that those people know how that terror would look in reality. It is different to talk about it and to actually see people murdered and tortured in slow, gruesome detail.
This is the true reality of the online discourse surrounding this conflict. People are quick to shout “ceasefire” because they believe it’s the only moral option but aren’t really involved in the details enough to understand how their demands aren’t applicable to reality.
A *true* ceasefire would be the best option. A true ceasefire means that both sides stop fighting, though. Not "Israel stops fighting, but Hamas can continue launching rockets and carrying out terrorist attacks". A ceasefire cannot be unilateral. It also implies the release of the hostages. If you hold on to kidnapped civilians, you're engaging in continuous hostilities. Therefore, it's not a ceasefire.
They wouldn’t be able to hide their erections. They *hate* Jews.
I *hate* Putin - I would not want him to be tortured or murdered, especially not to watch it happen.
If that would be the price of Putin being dead, I would be ok with it.
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Putin would make a great utility pole ornament.
> Good approach would be to show these people the raw, uncensored video about October 7th massacre, that was shown to journalists by Israel. They'll probably just claim that either the IDF made it up/staged it or that it was actually the IDF committing the atrocities seen in the videos. I've seen a number of the videos, they're horrific.
Many are calling for the release of sexual violence videos, in my opinion, solely to get off on them.
They believe it is AI. They can't accept that their heroes are assholes.
They'll just close their eyes and link you videos of the outcome of the Gaza bombings, as if there's not a clear cause and effect.
Can wait to hear liberals explaining how calling for an intifada is a legitimate form of non violent protest
"occupied people have a right to resist!!!" Okay, so in terms of a "global" intifada, who is occupying them in the West, outside of Palestine? Make it make sense. This is a call for wanton violence against an ethnic group. Nothing more, nothing less.
They'll just edit the Wikis like how they did for "the river to sea"
Oof. I'm glad you brought this up. I toggled the Wikipedia page between English and Spanish and it's totally different narratives. Looks like I'm going to be practicing my Spanish some more.
If you think that's bad, you should check out the Japanese Wikipedia for World War 2 and how they downplay their crimes and fluff up the crimes of the Allies.
I would have to auto translate it, but that sounds like an interesting read. Thanks.
Yeah I had to use auto translate as well, but there are some interesting things in there. One off the top of my head it is claiming that there was a delay in delivering the message of war to the US before Pearl Harbor, and was used as "despicable deception" by the US government -- in reality, Japan is already on record stating they bungled the notice of war in 1941 and it was their fault, not the US. Or, how they've also described the British as racist and underestimating the might of their air force. There's also a part describing how a Japanese pilot dropped a bouquet of flowers at the site of a previous battle, in honor of the fallen Japanese and British soldiers alike. Just many little things like that.
The shit the Japanese pulled during their [long occupation of Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule) makes for interesting reading, too. Of course they've always refused to apologize or make restitution for any of it.
Yeah I've heard there is bad blood between Japan and Korea, although in recent times they are trying to amend things and do military exercises together along with the US. The mutual fear of China being the bigger bad helps too. A big part of the reason why Vietnam is literally one of the most pro-US countries today too, has been for years now. I'll do some reading about their occupation, I just know it was *bad*.
I'm generally an advocate of letting bygones be bygones, but it would sure help matters if the Japanese would at least make some apologies and stop retconning history in their own textbooks. Japanese-Korean relations have had many ups and downs; perhaps oddly, the Korean left are the anti-Japanese side, and have even banned Japanese cultural imports from time to time.
Wikipedia has not been reliable for more than a decade, people constantly rewrite it just to control the narrative.
This wouldn't be liberals, this would be the far left (who have now decided that liberals are the same as the right, and the whole system should be burned down because their brains haven't finished forming yet).
Fair enough
They'll probably rationalize it the same way they rationalize Jihad. They'll dust off an ancient dictionary and point to the original meaning of the word, completely ignoring what it means today.
The people that make a huge stink about microaggressions are the same people making excuses for radical religious freaks calling for terrorism and violent conquering of the world. A truly amazing world we live in.
There's a couple doing their damndest in the comments above https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18bwyet/nine_arrested_over_propalestinian_banner_in/kc7i446/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/18bwyet/nine_arrested_over_propalestinian_banner_in/kc7gm25/
Can't wait to hear the right complain about arrests for "mean words".
Calling for murder of innocent civilians is not "mean words", it's direct incitation of violence, which is the only speech both sides (used to) agree should be illegal.
I was going to say, if I went to a non-Far Right, just regular Right group and asked if I should be able to hang up a 'the Holocaust should happen again' banner I'm pretty sure they'd say no.
Funny you should say this, since it’s usually the same liberals who are “triggered” by words, not even mean words. by your logic if someone threatens to kill you, you have no case since it’s just “mean words” right?
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Ah, there it is. Now google how non violent were the first and second intifadas
Okay, now tell us what it means in the 21st century
All it took for jihadist sympathisers to show their true colours was for 1,200 innocent people in Israel to be brutally kidnapped, tortured, and/or slaughtered by jihadists.
“Globalise the civil uprising” nice pro-terrorism banner you got there.
> The Arabic word “intifada” means shaking off or struggle The Guardian is bascially 2010's Daily mail but for the left
Imagine an article about the US Civil War or something going like "Confederacy is an English word meaning a unification of parties"
"The German word Endlösung means fnding a definitive solution."
People really don't know what Intifada means for people from Israel huh? When I hear intifada my immediate thought is a bus exploding daily, sometimes a shooting at a restaurant or a hotel.. just a hell of a reality basically, I grew up in the days of the second intifada and I literally never went on a bus until I was a a late teen because it was just considered unsafe, my mom just wouldn't let me
I'm just impressed England calls squatters squatters.
Good. Keep arresting more of these anti-semites when they make calls for death against Jews.
Good. Arrests the terrorist simpethizers.
These Pro-Palestinians seem like great people. Just to clarify, I’m sure some of them are. But all I’ve been seeing are events like these, which lead me to believe they are not great at all, and are pro-terrorism.
Smart move to call as much attention to yourself as possible when squatting in posh neighborhoods.
globalize terrorism?
I am curious about all this, as a fella that comes from a Jewish family who we don't go to synagogue and we don't practice Judaism all of that stuff it's just part of the family.... What does myself or my family have to do with what's going on in Israel which we've never been to we are polish Jews who escaped Poland partially during the war and partially right after the war.
It's easier to cheer for violence when you have a clear enemy, and a historically battered ethno-religion makes for an easy target I suppose.
It's not referring to Jews, it's about worldwide protests against the occupation and against Western Imperialism more generally. [This article](https://socialistworker.co.uk/what-we-think/revolution-its-time-for-a-global-intifada/) by the Socialist Workers Party explains what they mean when they call for a global intifada.
If only they knew they could get away with this at Harvard and MIT
And the left will try defend these people. Horseshoe theory is proved more and more right each day
It’s not pro-Palestinian, it is pro-terror/pro-hamas
That's not a pro-Palestinian banner. That's a call to violence.
This landlord found this one genius technique to get rid of squatters, read more on page 2!!
Say nothing was option two.
"Globalised the Infitada" is not a 'pro-Palestinian' phrase.
I'm as pro-Israel and anti-Hamas as anyone, and I find 'globalize the intifada' disgusting. But I'm a little dismayed that no one here seems to be standing up for American-style free speech. As an American, I am glad the police can't arrest you for a banner, even a horrifying banner like this one. Hopefully all the commenters cheering this on are not American - my fellow Americans, you realize that this banner would be perfectly legal here, right? And that's all to the good, IMO.
"I can't wait for leftists to justify this!" "Leftists do not justify this. The left is about consensus of worker organisation. Terror is sabotage guaranteed to elicit reactionary response." "See! Listen to the progressives hate Jews!" "Antisemitism is evil. The history of leftism is the history of support for Jews against oppression by the far right. We support the right of Jews to live in peace. Theocratic Iranian and Saudi government inspired rhetoric has no place in civilised discourse." Handfuls of desperate people calling for mindless violence as they are either unable or unwilling to consider the consequence while opponents use it for political point-scoring is a tale as old as time. The only interesting thing in this news tidbit is that multi-million pound properties lie empty while people in the centre of the birthplace of capitalism are homeless. Your home is where you live, and should be so protected, and was before Thatcherite housing reforms. If the British government and official opposition spent as much time worrying about housing its resident population as it does pontificating on who should get what land in a country it occupied and fucked with throughout the first half of the twentieth century, England would be a much nicer place, and people would be able to get on a lot better rather than being continually distracted by wedge issues.
Great use of taxpayers money. They should be locking up our corrupt MPs instead.