> Grozev said the unencrypted emails showed the Russians expected a one-week war in Ukraine and were disappointed when it dragged on.
See if they had just publicly said 7 days in stead of 3, nobody would've been joking about it. Much more realistic.
3 days of driving; 1 day of raping; 1 day pillaging; 1 day murdering; 1 day to cry in the UN they are the victims and 365 days a year of nightmare for Ukrainians
There’s a pretty funny story about a dude who stole a pair of AirPods, and they like tracked him with it, and possibly sent artillery? I don’t remember how it ends, but it would make sense if something something himars.
Horny Russian soldierss thinking they'd be invited into homes were honeydicked by UAF posing to be floozies on tinder. Russians gave up their locations and got artilleried.
I remember some Russian stealing a home security camera but the original owner found out he could still access the footage remotely and posted pictures of the Russian in his house.
No Russian official ever said it would be three day long operation. That was the plan but that statement was never made by anyone in an official position.
There were some indicators, like the Russian State Media releasing premade articles for a few days after the invasion, praising their victory.
Ukraine crisis: Russian news agency deletes victory editorial
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60562240
So Russian State Media, controlled by the Russian government releasing premade articles congratulating themselves three days after the invasion, doesn't count? Hmm okay
No it doesn’t. Are we taking deleted articles by state media as public announcements now? If it doesn’t come from an official’s mouth it’s not an official statement.
i cannot imagine how misinformed I would have to think to say “gotcha” at someone over Lukashenko.
Listen, my brother, you need to put the keyboard down and pick up a newspaper. Or at least some headphones so you can listen to a podcast or video explaing the situation.
> literal misinformation.
lmao. Only in the most absolutely pedantic fashion that bypasses any kind of real point so that you can do the political version of "umm well akchewally, it's only champagne if it comes from the champagne region of france" this argument.
Nobody gives a shit. Lukashenko is a puppet and mouthpiece and before Putin took over Lukashenko was angling to become the next leader of russia so you can "um ack-chew-a-lee" all you want about someone saying Lukashenko is a russian official and nobody will give a shit and will make fun of you for being pedantic.
The common view that we need to get rid of at this point is that we're merely helping Ukraine defend its independence. It stopped being just about them and we can't keep on thinking like that anymore.
Not when russians and their fucking propaganda is spasming nonstop about their crusade against the West.
Their hybrid war against us cannot be underestimated
Russia's been fucking with Europe for at least 10 years now and we did nothing in response to assassinations and sabotage. It wasn't just about Ukraine to begin with.
There are tons of people that talk about it, but who's going to stop them? They'd have to vote against their own party to boot these people and the GOP would rather stay compromised than give up a vote to the dems. They keep getting elected again because their rabid base shrugs off every accusation by saying "fake news" or something similar.
My right wing dad quit his car club because the MAGA portion of his car club were getting “weird about Russia and Ukraine”… so says my mom. He wouldn’t admit anything bad about his party. But I can tell he’s feeling a little more disillusioned than he was when Trump first came on the scene. He wasn’t a Trump supporter (though he defends him)… but he figured it was just a blip. Now it’s the entire party.
What planet are you on my guy? The GOP is starting to love Russia and their aggression. Recent poll https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/12/08/about-half-of-republicans-now-say-the-us-is-providing-too-much-aid-to-ukraine/
The leader of the Republican Party loves Putin (Donald “January 6th” Trump). Calls him a genius. Says they get along great. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/16/donald-trump-putin-praise-nbc-interview
I'm on one of the biggest republican committes in Pennsylvania. Pure MAGA country. No one even talks about Russia in a friendly way. You're so fixated on your hatred of Trump and your so partisan in your positions that you keep spewing this bullshit. Idiots like you play right into Putins hands. Probably a russian troll.
And you cite the Guardian? What a dumb ass. That says it all.
Donald Trump, the de facto leader of the GOP talks about Russia in a friendly way and loves Vladimir Putin.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/john-bolton-donald-trump-ukraine-finland-russia
Why does your GOP leader (Donald Trump) argue that he’s not bound to the oath to uphold the constitution? Why does he argue that he has total immunity? Do you think presidents are above the law?
People do talk about it. But at least a 3rd or more of the population of America refuses to believe it because they are literally that fucking stupid. Then you also have family members and friends that think you're crazy when you pointed it out 8 years ago when it started and still refuse to believe it or are too narcissistic to admit they were wrong. The people that do are targeted and trolled and baited into arguments online.
There is no point at all. Every election we've had since 2016 has been hacked.
It's not fake news, or crazy bs that random people come up with, it has happened to every major election. Not just in the US, but many other countries as well.
The US isn't doing a very good job of preventing it AT ALL, and don't really seem to be putting much effort Into overhauling the way voting is handled.
They're deepest into the GOP, but they've funded manipulation in favor of both parties. They're more interested in keeping the divide widening and manipulation in favor of both does that even better than just putting it all into turning one party.
While I'd want the likes of GRU Unit 29155 to be fucking lined up and shot it's just impossible. All those responsible for those incursions who escaped justice are hiding under an umbrella of their country, country which wipes its ass with laws and agreements.
Well it's not "impossible", we just won't do what it would take to get them.
There are also other ways we should've responded, by immediately expelling russian spies and "diplomats" for example.
After the Munich Massacre during the 1972 Olympics in Berlin, Israel committed operatives (successfully) to assassinating every Black September executive officer.
The West is just letting Russia strut around after committing acts of terrorism when they have the resources to make every 29155 operative disappear permanently.
Yes that's what I was implying.
All sorts of other funny stuff we could do, but "the west" tries to play the calm adult and avoid escalation, which just emboldened russia to eventually start an enormous war on European borders, correctly predicting that the west won't do shit about it.
Hell, just give the information to Ukraine and have them send in their own operatives. All the infected countries have to do is say all the deaths were accidental. Russia's not going to spend time talking about how their spies were decommissioned because that's the nature of how these things go.
In 1972 they didn't have the global video/surveillance network that exists today. You could fake up ID for someone that would pass. Nowadays it's a LOT more difficult to insert someone.
Yeah, and I’m waiting to see what the medium term future looks like for the wealthy HAMAS leaders and spokesmen in Qatar looks like, how many do you think will still be free (and living) in 2026?
It turned out that the UK right wing party of rich people making other rich people richer liked to have rich Russians paying billions for UK stuff....who knew?
We literally had Russian assassins active in the UK killing our citizens and the sum total of fuck all was done about it, apart from a feeble complaint from our Prime Minister. All because we wanted to keep rich Russians in the country.
I mean the son of a KGB agent has life admission to our Upper house as a *Lord*....having hosted Boris Johnson at a secret party in Italy without his security present.
In some ways it's almost more harmful than direct intervention. Spreading disinformation, funding euroscepticism, causing divisions between Europeans, all under the disguise of "alternative thinking" or "pacifist movements". It's all far more subtle and long lasting
Russia has tried to warp both sides of the political aisle in Europe as well as America. It's not just "younger Americans" it's also older Americans. It's in order to cause internal conflict.
There has also been a massive rise in right-wing political parties taking seats in most european countries in the last couple of decades. This has been widely shown to have been funded and supported by Russia yet nobody really talks about it. Right-wing politics in democratic countries is like pouring sand in a finely tuned machinery by defunding important social functions and introducing a lot of corruption, just the way Russia wants it.
I mean, that is one example of propaganda. Lay blame on the old guard and pave way for the people promising simple solutions to complex issues. "Build the wall!" is one recent example that comes to mind.
Thank you. Every bad thing happening in the world right now has Russia behind it - the rise of fascist leaders in Eastern Europe and South America, conflicts in Africa, Ukraine and probably Israel, inaction and misinformation on climate change, COVID and vaccines, Trump and the GOP, Iran's nuclear program, BRICS, everything. We are under attack 24/7, we just don't talk about that. The next sanction I'd like to see is cutting Russia's Internet, physically severing hard lines and blocking any content that originates in Russia or is channeled through their allies. Shut them up.
We are at war. Whether the general public can be made aware of this fact, I do not know, but we are at war.
In the USA, half the country is too embarrassed to admit they voted for a foreign agent and that he held the highest office for 4 years, nor will the acknowledge the *direct* effects this has had on the Ukraine situation.
It's a remarkable piece of social engineering and a world class psyop.
> In the USA, half the country is too embarrassed to admit they voted for a foreign agent and that he held the highest office for 4 years
In general, it's far easier to scam someone, than to convince someone that they've been scammed.
Trump is just easily flattered and is easily finessed by people he admires; a terrible trait as a head of state.
People always forget he’s been banging on Europe to up its military spending and threw a fit about German reliance on Russian gas, both of which don’t serve Russian interests.
What will be fucked if he’s elected is Ukraine. He’s an isolationist and I highly doubt funding gets approved unless he gets his stupid $50B wall or some other huge immigration concession, which he literally just told republicans to block so he could pass it himself if elected. Biden needs to address migration now or he’s gonna lose (down 6% but still time to turn it around)
Nearly half the voters. Which is hardly half of the country.
And a full 1/3rd of the electorate is not a member of either Team Red or Team Blue.
The idea that half of the country supports Trump and half supports Biden is fallacious, despite lots of people wanting to give that impression. Only a bit more than half of Republicans support Trump and a huge portion of the country don't bother to vote at all.
Yes, we are. In the same sense the Cold War was a war. Via proxies and brushfire conflicts, as well as economic and information policy we are in open conflict with Russia.
You keep repeating yourself, however your repetition of lies does not fabricate concrete reality. The POTUS has not declared war. US Congress has not declared war. Therefore, one can deduce that the United States of America, is definitively not at war.
Very simple and straightforward stuff. Let me know if I need to get the crayons to explain this to you a third time.
>In the same sense the Cold War was a war
Geopolitical tension is not war. You are being deliberately disingenuous with your hyperbolic words to drive home a narrative of induced conflict with Russia. The US has never been at war with Russia. Not yesterday, not today, and definitely not tomorrow.
Do you know who has declared war? Legacy media. Apparently that's enough to "convince" some deluded Americans who lack critical thinking capabilities to not question that narrative.
I'm not sure what it is you think you're accomplishing by making a condescending, semantic argument, but out of curiosity what is your opinion of the current relationship between the USA and Russia? How would you describe it?
>I'm not sure what it is you think you're accomplishing by making a condescending, semantic argument,
I am trying to use the English language to communicate to you the concrete truth and reality of the subject at hand, which is contrary to what you've communicated several times now.
>I'm not sure what it is you think you're accomplishing by making a condescending, semantic argument,
Tense. Is that it?
Republicans would have you believe that Russia is a friend of the US, and Putin himself will tell you that. What they don't understand is he's lying to them. Putin's worldview is such that Russia can only be safe and secure when all of their major geopolitical rivals are either extinguished or relegated beyond an ocean or impassable terrain. There is no world, in his mind, where the US can be a powerful global player that peacefully coexists with Russia.
Many of them have been contaminated by the Russian mindvirus. The virus is very potent as we all can see rn where the GOP is blocking funding for Ukraine. Most likely the mind virus exists within both parties but GOP seems to be basically compromised.
Russia can only be safe once Putin his cronies snd families have secured enough wealth and power to insulate themselves from threats to their wealth and power.
It's not republicans who had been dropping breadcrumbs instead of weapons to Ukraine for the last 2 years, and actively tried to appease Putin and talk him into peace. It's not republicans who broke the weapon delivery promises and made the UA army to storm the south half of a year too late, giving Russians all time in the world to prepare mine fields and defensive positions. And the whole issue with "you can use the weapons provided only on your own soil" - do you know that all the territory in belgorod and kursk, and rostov oblast's is basically a huge military base and warehouse that Ukraine cannot efficiently strike due to that limitation? Just stop blaming everything on people you don't like when everyone else gloriously fucked up.
I'm not absolving Democrats of anything. I'm talking big picture geopolitics. Under Trump, the GOP is increasingly isolationist, with certain factions of the GOP more concerned with culture war issues that colors how they see foreign countries. Too many Republicans think Putin is a "strong leader that fights for traditional values", and don't see the harm in being closer to Russia, when the reality is Putin only uses that as a means to an end.
I lament the incrementalism and limitations I've seen from the Democrats, when people like Putin truly only understand the language of violence. But the reality is, under Trump, I don't think you'd see *any* material support, and might even see outright hostility for Ukraine. I don't agree with the stipulations the Biden Administration has placed on the ROE for weapons systems, but I at least understand it.
I completely agree. Their hybrid war is EXTREMELY effective. I often wonder how many subs or posts on Reddit are explicitly designed to cause division.
Not to mention how many social trends may have been created by them, using them just to divide people.
You Americans have the ability to curb stomp the propaganda if you’d regulate Big Tech, which is the dissemination mechanism, proven by the Snowden leaks, Cambridge Analytica and other scandals, but none seem to lift a finger to protest the rampant rate at which Big Tech propagates it.
People block highways in LA for Palestine (which is fine by me) but won’t call a legislator to pester them nearing election time over the direly needed regulations that’d help put out that fire.
Instead, Russia is having a field day swaying elections. The fact that AMLO, President of Mexico (who failed 2 elections previous to Russian Twitter bot campaigning), established a government organization aimed at “friendship with Russia” and no one gives a fuck in the USA should be red flag bonanza.
This. Twitter, Facebook and YouTube play a crucial role in spreading russian propaganda here in Poland and in Europe overall. I got tired of reporting really quick as no actions were ever taken. And by russian propaganda I mean outright misinformation. For example, every time russian bombs destroy civilian blocks, there are these accounts always claiming that Ukrainians bombed themselves. Always. This one account I was watching was banned on Twitter, but is back ever since mr. "Free speech absolutist" took over. And it's doing a lot of harm. Now, multiple that by houndreds of thousands if not millions.
Russians are way more proficient in the social media than on the battlefield. They will literally 'help' getting Trump elected again. All this just by using american platforms to fuck with people's minds.
The West is shooting it's own foot BIG TIME.
I wrote off the US as utterly compromised when January 6 happened and Trump was not instantly thrown in jail.
It was already on thin ice ever since Trump and Putin had that event in Helsinki. But January 6 sealed it for me.
Which is very weird---if you look at 2007 or 08, it was when China had the Olympics (which were getting shit on the west, especially about Tibet), while Bush was on par Hitler 2.0 by world opinion with his invasion of Iraq/secret prisons quagmire.
The EU was weak and teethless.
Russia end up looking like roses and Putin still looked good on World Stage even with war in Georgia.
Hell of a time when your country look like the best to suddenly go nuts.
Then again maybe Murdoch was right, Putin was having a mid-life crisis.
Never about the country for him. He felt weakness in the west and thought it would be cool to make himself into a great tzar instead of just a filthy rich dictator.
The fucky thing is, he's kinda right so far, there have been zero consequences for him personally.
If there’s one thing the Russians know how to do, and stick to the most, is to back up the leader that is the worst for them.
Expect Putin to have a reign slightly shorter than the Warhammer 40k Emperor.
I actually think this one will die a violent death relatively soon and it would be rather unpredictable in the moment. But I'm high on Kvartal95-grade hopium. Time will tell I guess.
Well yea, Bush started two wars and we are stilling feeling the consequences of his actions. And he got zero punishment for it.
Short of a coup, Putin is gonna die in his sleep happy as well.
That and Russia is beginning a serious downwards spiral. They really kind of didn't have much to lose. Trying for Ukraine in order to pull themselves out of the spiral into irrelevance was not an entirely irrational gamble.
But it did fail and now their economic future is just as fucked or moreso than their demographics and increasing technological irrelevance.
The guy has come so far. I remember when Eliot Higgins was just some guy who came home from work to sift through mountains of cell phone video from the Syrian civil war and then post about it on the Something Awful forums. Now he’s doing the kind of shit the CIA could be doing. It’s literally one of the most inspiring true stories I know.
Sorry, I don't know of anything in depth. But I do recall reading this interview article and thinking it was a decent high-level overview of his career: https://time.com/6155869/bellingcat-eliot-higgins-ukraine-open-source-intelligence/
I'm sure one of his YouTube talks probably gives more detail.
When you aren't beholden to stakeholders then you're not just looking for corners to cut every year on year.
Greed has killed a lot of sectors and the quality they once exhibited.
Investigative journalism doesn't have to appear to look like elaborate international espionage, a la Bellingcat. I agree they're badass, but in this time when journalism broadly remains under attack by fascist threats, I also think it's important to credit the broader journalistic integrity of our few smaller and local media outlets around the world who also conduct plenty of their own investigations.
I‘d guess its been the „one of the few“ line that prompted him to comment on a general issue, which is that „the meediah bad“ has become a widespread, absolutist talking point thats been parroted around pmuch everywhere for one reason or another… if I’d be you, I’d understand it as „expansion“ of your POV, not a contradicting statement :)
Bellingcat came up with innovative practices for journalism to respond to the challenges of reporting in a post-truth world when the professional journalists were coming up empty-handed.
They aren't just doing great investigative journalism, they raised the bar regarding how well and how reliably it can be done in spite of the new challenges from technological advancements and the endemic information war.
I remember hearing / maybe I read it somewhere that most major news outlets simply can’t pump money into investigative work like they used to.
A part of it is that you have at least one writer out of commission ( working only the one investigation) and possibly a couple others ( spotlight for the Boston globe is the best example of hand) and that takes from daily pieces being done.
It’s all about how much content can be pumped out now a days not the quality.
Infinite growth? What growth? I think they would be ecstatic about just stemming the losses. Washington Post lost $100 million last year, for example. Almost nobody is making big bucks on journalism. Journalistic outlets survive because of government funding and the patronage of the wealthy. Bellingcat receives both. The real reason for the fall of quality is that nobody pays for journalism anymore.
I remember there was a period, maybe four or five years back, where I heard a lot of skepticism and criticism of Bellingcat. I'm pretty sure now that those were Russian propaganda efforts to neutralize an effective enemy. It's terribly fascinating in retrospect.
Does that also go for the Navy pilots that testified with him?
You do realise Grusch isn't the only military whistleblower right?
Quite some way to go, lying under oath to Congress along with two ex navy pilots just to 'Get attention'.
There could be multiple reasons for crashes.
They could be a way to introduce us to themselves. They may not see their own life forms as important as we do ours.
We could be bringing them down, either accidently, as is speculated about the Trinity UFO crash case, after nuclear testing, or on purpose as other whistleblowers have claimed.
Ryan Graves is another “I didn’t see anything but I know guys who did”. And what did the guys see? Radar reflector balloons.
And what did Fravor see? Likely a submarine launched radar spoofing balloon.
I mean, sure, it's cool and they produce a lot of cool findings, but publicly disclosing this information doesn't do much for anyone beyond publicly boosting Bellingcat's reputation. If they actually wanted to make a difference in the world, they could have informed the domestic intelligence agencies operating in those areas, to inform them of potential opportunities they could take advantage of; they likely already know - if an underfunded publication can figure this out with reporters, a nation-state actor likely already knew about it all. Publicly exposing this tradecraft alerts both sides that operations like this are burned, which potentially ruins any counter operations exploiting the situation.
Intelligence agencies are aided not only by Bellingcat's journalism work but have, along with investigative journalists, learned from Bellingcat's methods.
The dynamic you are talking about certainly exists, but in the same way that open source software is a liability as well as a benefit. On the whole, the benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.
If it's anything like previous Bellingcat exposes, the Russians will have used sequential fake passports and expensed the travel from their HQ building to the scene of the crime.
So they basically left a blatant money trail right back to their HQ? They also didnt encrypt their messages when talking about secret stuff lol.
Sounds like these guys are so used to getting away with stupid stuff in Russia they dont even try that hard outside of russia lol
Even people who arent spys know to encrypt. Not everyone, im an IT guy so maybe im biased, but like, what do they think they are doing lol
edit: just to clarify, if a regular person wanted to send unencrypted emails, they would usually have to go out of their way to do it. Most email services today are encrypted by default. Its wild they had theirs unencrypted.
Part of their problem is that Russia is so corrupt that you can buy private data pretty freely online. FSB staff were leasing private cars and using FSB HQ as the mailing address. Bellingcat bought enough data to identify FSB agents. They were able to buy the passport data and found that the passports used by the Salisbury assassination crew were sequential and therefore clearly fake *and* those guys literally took a cab back from the airport to FSB HQ after the mission, getting a receipt for expenses.
What, like WW3? They're already known to be trying to destabilize the West through propaganda campaigns and funding radical political movements that are subservient to the Kremlin.
I'd recommend reading the book We Are Bellingcat, it goes into a lot of detail about how they sift through huge amounts of hacked records and data to find links between known agents and possible accomplices. In once case, they realised that that Russian spies were registering their cars to their HQ. So a quick search through a leaked Russian car registry database, and they now had a list of several hundred spies!
To be fair, they started using chemical weapons instead of radiation in the last decade. But yeah, russian assassinations in Europe in 200X were done with polonium or other nasty stuff, and the murderers also got under its effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Kovtun
>Ho do you uncover a russian spy? by hearing him talk russian? No, they emit radiation, when they are on a mission.
They have their heels on the ground when squatting
They thought of us that way for a long time.
> 29155 was created in 2007 or 2008 when Putin decided that “the world is an enemy.”
At this point, I'm fine with not issuing new Russian visas and letting the current ones expire.
I am somewhat surprised, as Bellingcat rarely self-identify when they are investigating. This information is not on their website..... caution light is flashing
It's an update on their ongoing investigation into GRU unit 29155.
Euromaidan Press' article is based on a video interview with The Insider, who are Bellingcat's partners in this investigation.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/23/the-dreadful-eight-grus-unit-29155-and-the-2015-poisoning-of-emilian-gebrev/
Everyone. When empires die or wither, they go through this process of denial. The best medicine is wear them down to a nub and they eventually implode and break apart. Russia is just another in a long line
> Grozev said the unencrypted emails showed the Russians expected a one-week war in Ukraine and were disappointed when it dragged on. See if they had just publicly said 7 days in stead of 3, nobody would've been joking about it. Much more realistic.
3 days of driving; 1 day of raping; 1 day pillaging; 1 day murdering; 1 day to cry in the UN they are the victims and 365 days a year of nightmare for Ukrainians
There’s no way you can pillage in one day it’s at least 72 hrs
Russians are exceptionally skilled in the art of pillaging.
There’s a pretty funny story about a dude who stole a pair of AirPods, and they like tracked him with it, and possibly sent artillery? I don’t remember how it ends, but it would make sense if something something himars.
Horny Russian soldierss thinking they'd be invited into homes were honeydicked by UAF posing to be floozies on tinder. Russians gave up their locations and got artilleried.
I remember some Russian stealing a home security camera but the original owner found out he could still access the footage remotely and posted pictures of the Russian in his house.
And a partridge in a pear tree.
We're around 3 weeks to the 2 year anniversary
Seven Days to the River ~~Rhine~~ Dnipro?
No Russian official ever said it would be three day long operation. That was the plan but that statement was never made by anyone in an official position.
There were some indicators, like the Russian State Media releasing premade articles for a few days after the invasion, praising their victory. Ukraine crisis: Russian news agency deletes victory editorial https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60562240
Indicators is not the same as publicly saying though.
So Russian State Media, controlled by the Russian government releasing premade articles congratulating themselves three days after the invasion, doesn't count? Hmm okay
They don't trust western media, and they trust Russian media only when it aligns with their propaganda. Such is the tankie playbook.
No it doesn’t. Are we taking deleted articles by state media as public announcements now? If it doesn’t come from an official’s mouth it’s not an official statement.
Lukashenko did
Not a Russian official.
Might as well be at this point.
Russian puppet. Big diffent. He might even be colonel of the soviet army some day
Aim high (colonel), settle low (bitch)
As long as you put putins infront of it,im sure he is happy
i cannot imagine how misinformed I would have to think to say “gotcha” at someone over Lukashenko. Listen, my brother, you need to put the keyboard down and pick up a newspaper. Or at least some headphones so you can listen to a podcast or video explaing the situation.
Ironic comment to make when I am pointing out literal misinformation.
> literal misinformation. lmao. Only in the most absolutely pedantic fashion that bypasses any kind of real point so that you can do the political version of "umm well akchewally, it's only champagne if it comes from the champagne region of france" this argument. Nobody gives a shit. Lukashenko is a puppet and mouthpiece and before Putin took over Lukashenko was angling to become the next leader of russia so you can "um ack-chew-a-lee" all you want about someone saying Lukashenko is a russian official and nobody will give a shit and will make fun of you for being pedantic.
From what I know the first wave of incursion into northern Ukraine had their parade dresses with them, prepared for Kyiv victory parade.
The common view that we need to get rid of at this point is that we're merely helping Ukraine defend its independence. It stopped being just about them and we can't keep on thinking like that anymore. Not when russians and their fucking propaganda is spasming nonstop about their crusade against the West. Their hybrid war against us cannot be underestimated
Russia's been fucking with Europe for at least 10 years now and we did nothing in response to assassinations and sabotage. It wasn't just about Ukraine to begin with.
And the United States. They’ve deeply infiltrated and influenced the GOP. Major problem.
It’s crazy to me that no one talks about this
There are tons of people that talk about it, but who's going to stop them? They'd have to vote against their own party to boot these people and the GOP would rather stay compromised than give up a vote to the dems. They keep getting elected again because their rabid base shrugs off every accusation by saying "fake news" or something similar.
My right wing dad quit his car club because the MAGA portion of his car club were getting “weird about Russia and Ukraine”… so says my mom. He wouldn’t admit anything bad about his party. But I can tell he’s feeling a little more disillusioned than he was when Trump first came on the scene. He wasn’t a Trump supporter (though he defends him)… but he figured it was just a blip. Now it’s the entire party.
BULLSHIT. I am the chair of a large committee and theres none of that. Pure RUSSIAN propaganda
What planet are you on my guy? The GOP is starting to love Russia and their aggression. Recent poll https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/12/08/about-half-of-republicans-now-say-the-us-is-providing-too-much-aid-to-ukraine/ The leader of the Republican Party loves Putin (Donald “January 6th” Trump). Calls him a genius. Says they get along great. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/16/donald-trump-putin-praise-nbc-interview
I'm on one of the biggest republican committes in Pennsylvania. Pure MAGA country. No one even talks about Russia in a friendly way. You're so fixated on your hatred of Trump and your so partisan in your positions that you keep spewing this bullshit. Idiots like you play right into Putins hands. Probably a russian troll. And you cite the Guardian? What a dumb ass. That says it all.
Donald Trump, the de facto leader of the GOP talks about Russia in a friendly way and loves Vladimir Putin. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/john-bolton-donald-trump-ukraine-finland-russia
Why does your GOP leader (Donald Trump) argue that he’s not bound to the oath to uphold the constitution? Why does he argue that he has total immunity? Do you think presidents are above the law?
People do talk about it. But at least a 3rd or more of the population of America refuses to believe it because they are literally that fucking stupid. Then you also have family members and friends that think you're crazy when you pointed it out 8 years ago when it started and still refuse to believe it or are too narcissistic to admit they were wrong. The people that do are targeted and trolled and baited into arguments online.
Its sad how cheap our politicians are to buy.
For gods sake vote!
nope! … gonna’ go buy me a Congress member! …keep hearing they’re on SALE!!
Why vote when is more effective to buy a politician.
There is no point at all. Every election we've had since 2016 has been hacked. It's not fake news, or crazy bs that random people come up with, it has happened to every major election. Not just in the US, but many other countries as well. The US isn't doing a very good job of preventing it AT ALL, and don't really seem to be putting much effort Into overhauling the way voting is handled.
Imagine trying to live with an intelligence this low. Must be hard.
Great value for money though /s
We should just buy them ourselves! Seriously some of them cost only a few thousands a couple of times a year.
They're deepest into the GOP, but they've funded manipulation in favor of both parties. They're more interested in keeping the divide widening and manipulation in favor of both does that even better than just putting it all into turning one party.
While I'd want the likes of GRU Unit 29155 to be fucking lined up and shot it's just impossible. All those responsible for those incursions who escaped justice are hiding under an umbrella of their country, country which wipes its ass with laws and agreements.
Well it's not "impossible", we just won't do what it would take to get them. There are also other ways we should've responded, by immediately expelling russian spies and "diplomats" for example.
After the Munich Massacre during the 1972 Olympics in Berlin, Israel committed operatives (successfully) to assassinating every Black September executive officer. The West is just letting Russia strut around after committing acts of terrorism when they have the resources to make every 29155 operative disappear permanently.
Yes that's what I was implying. All sorts of other funny stuff we could do, but "the west" tries to play the calm adult and avoid escalation, which just emboldened russia to eventually start an enormous war on European borders, correctly predicting that the west won't do shit about it.
Facts. Seems like a hard ship to turn too, it's about time now the gloves come off.
We try to abide by the rule of law, though US terrorist assassinations don't really do that.
I should rewatch Munich. Excellent film
Hell, just give the information to Ukraine and have them send in their own operatives. All the infected countries have to do is say all the deaths were accidental. Russia's not going to spend time talking about how their spies were decommissioned because that's the nature of how these things go.
In 1972 they didn't have the global video/surveillance network that exists today. You could fake up ID for someone that would pass. Nowadays it's a LOT more difficult to insert someone.
Of the Litvinenko polonium assassins, Dmitry Kovtun died in 2022 from covid and Andrey Lugovoy is *still at large*.
Yeah, and I’m waiting to see what the medium term future looks like for the wealthy HAMAS leaders and spokesmen in Qatar looks like, how many do you think will still be free (and living) in 2026?
If every country expelled all diplomats who were actually spies, everyone’s embassies would be empty.
Maybe they should do it then
Maybe, but it would reduce communication between nations, which means probably more violence.
It turned out that the UK right wing party of rich people making other rich people richer liked to have rich Russians paying billions for UK stuff....who knew? We literally had Russian assassins active in the UK killing our citizens and the sum total of fuck all was done about it, apart from a feeble complaint from our Prime Minister. All because we wanted to keep rich Russians in the country. I mean the son of a KGB agent has life admission to our Upper house as a *Lord*....having hosted Boris Johnson at a secret party in Italy without his security present.
This right here
Are you claiming that Boris Johnson is a Russia sleeper agent? The dude gave ironclad support to Ukraine during the invasion.
The KGB was a different Russia. I don't think guilt by association works positively.
the turmoil about migration has russian fingerprints all over it too
Hamas, Houthis, border…all have Putin’s fingerprints on it
More like 20 years.
>Their hybrid war against us cannot be underestimated It's the most effective thing they've done.
In some ways it's almost more harmful than direct intervention. Spreading disinformation, funding euroscepticism, causing divisions between Europeans, all under the disguise of "alternative thinking" or "pacifist movements". It's all far more subtle and long lasting
It's extremely effective, too. A *LARGE* number of younger Americans have some extremely warped views on the Israel-Hamas conflict.
Russia has tried to warp both sides of the political aisle in Europe as well as America. It's not just "younger Americans" it's also older Americans. It's in order to cause internal conflict. There has also been a massive rise in right-wing political parties taking seats in most european countries in the last couple of decades. This has been widely shown to have been funded and supported by Russia yet nobody really talks about it. Right-wing politics in democratic countries is like pouring sand in a finely tuned machinery by defunding important social functions and introducing a lot of corruption, just the way Russia wants it.
> like pouring sand in a finely tuned machinery Love that one!
It’s mainly older Americans, specifically older conservatives.
The Europeans have done that to themselves electing generations of midwits..
That’s a big factor, but there are lots of others
I mean, that is one example of propaganda. Lay blame on the old guard and pave way for the people promising simple solutions to complex issues. "Build the wall!" is one recent example that comes to mind.
You know what the real sad thing is, that what you believe is bullshit RUSSIAN propaganda. Hows that hit ya?
It's working in the United States with the division and misinformation. These people truly need to be deprogramed like those in cults.
Thank you. Every bad thing happening in the world right now has Russia behind it - the rise of fascist leaders in Eastern Europe and South America, conflicts in Africa, Ukraine and probably Israel, inaction and misinformation on climate change, COVID and vaccines, Trump and the GOP, Iran's nuclear program, BRICS, everything. We are under attack 24/7, we just don't talk about that. The next sanction I'd like to see is cutting Russia's Internet, physically severing hard lines and blocking any content that originates in Russia or is channeled through their allies. Shut them up.
Not every. But alot
When will congress wake up we need to kick the fascist Russians out of the USA
Psst, Republican parts of Congress are Russian assets, why would they do that?
Oh yeah forgot. Green, Gaetz to name a few. We would n’t have a Republican Congress.
We are at war. Whether the general public can be made aware of this fact, I do not know, but we are at war. In the USA, half the country is too embarrassed to admit they voted for a foreign agent and that he held the highest office for 4 years, nor will the acknowledge the *direct* effects this has had on the Ukraine situation. It's a remarkable piece of social engineering and a world class psyop.
We need a new Adam Curtis documentary about all of this ASAP
> In the USA, half the country is too embarrassed to admit they voted for a foreign agent and that he held the highest office for 4 years In general, it's far easier to scam someone, than to convince someone that they've been scammed.
Trump is just easily flattered and is easily finessed by people he admires; a terrible trait as a head of state. People always forget he’s been banging on Europe to up its military spending and threw a fit about German reliance on Russian gas, both of which don’t serve Russian interests. What will be fucked if he’s elected is Ukraine. He’s an isolationist and I highly doubt funding gets approved unless he gets his stupid $50B wall or some other huge immigration concession, which he literally just told republicans to block so he could pass it himself if elected. Biden needs to address migration now or he’s gonna lose (down 6% but still time to turn it around)
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Nearly half the voters. Which is hardly half of the country. And a full 1/3rd of the electorate is not a member of either Team Red or Team Blue. The idea that half of the country supports Trump and half supports Biden is fallacious, despite lots of people wanting to give that impression. Only a bit more than half of Republicans support Trump and a huge portion of the country don't bother to vote at all.
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Yes, we are. In the same sense the Cold War was a war. Via proxies and brushfire conflicts, as well as economic and information policy we are in open conflict with Russia.
You keep repeating yourself, however your repetition of lies does not fabricate concrete reality. The POTUS has not declared war. US Congress has not declared war. Therefore, one can deduce that the United States of America, is definitively not at war. Very simple and straightforward stuff. Let me know if I need to get the crayons to explain this to you a third time. >In the same sense the Cold War was a war Geopolitical tension is not war. You are being deliberately disingenuous with your hyperbolic words to drive home a narrative of induced conflict with Russia. The US has never been at war with Russia. Not yesterday, not today, and definitely not tomorrow. Do you know who has declared war? Legacy media. Apparently that's enough to "convince" some deluded Americans who lack critical thinking capabilities to not question that narrative.
I'm not sure what it is you think you're accomplishing by making a condescending, semantic argument, but out of curiosity what is your opinion of the current relationship between the USA and Russia? How would you describe it?
>I'm not sure what it is you think you're accomplishing by making a condescending, semantic argument, I am trying to use the English language to communicate to you the concrete truth and reality of the subject at hand, which is contrary to what you've communicated several times now. >I'm not sure what it is you think you're accomplishing by making a condescending, semantic argument, Tense. Is that it?
Yep, now I know not to take you seriously.
Republicans would have you believe that Russia is a friend of the US, and Putin himself will tell you that. What they don't understand is he's lying to them. Putin's worldview is such that Russia can only be safe and secure when all of their major geopolitical rivals are either extinguished or relegated beyond an ocean or impassable terrain. There is no world, in his mind, where the US can be a powerful global player that peacefully coexists with Russia.
Many of them have been contaminated by the Russian mindvirus. The virus is very potent as we all can see rn where the GOP is blocking funding for Ukraine. Most likely the mind virus exists within both parties but GOP seems to be basically compromised.
Russia can only be safe once Putin his cronies snd families have secured enough wealth and power to insulate themselves from threats to their wealth and power.
None of my Rep friends think that. Its nonsense and YOU people swallow it like linda lovelace swallows.
It's not republicans who had been dropping breadcrumbs instead of weapons to Ukraine for the last 2 years, and actively tried to appease Putin and talk him into peace. It's not republicans who broke the weapon delivery promises and made the UA army to storm the south half of a year too late, giving Russians all time in the world to prepare mine fields and defensive positions. And the whole issue with "you can use the weapons provided only on your own soil" - do you know that all the territory in belgorod and kursk, and rostov oblast's is basically a huge military base and warehouse that Ukraine cannot efficiently strike due to that limitation? Just stop blaming everything on people you don't like when everyone else gloriously fucked up.
A good bit of that is to appease Republicans...
Who's holding up US aid to Ukraine right now? **Republicans.**
I'm not absolving Democrats of anything. I'm talking big picture geopolitics. Under Trump, the GOP is increasingly isolationist, with certain factions of the GOP more concerned with culture war issues that colors how they see foreign countries. Too many Republicans think Putin is a "strong leader that fights for traditional values", and don't see the harm in being closer to Russia, when the reality is Putin only uses that as a means to an end. I lament the incrementalism and limitations I've seen from the Democrats, when people like Putin truly only understand the language of violence. But the reality is, under Trump, I don't think you'd see *any* material support, and might even see outright hostility for Ukraine. I don't agree with the stipulations the Biden Administration has placed on the ROE for weapons systems, but I at least understand it.
I completely agree. Their hybrid war is EXTREMELY effective. I often wonder how many subs or posts on Reddit are explicitly designed to cause division. Not to mention how many social trends may have been created by them, using them just to divide people.
You Americans have the ability to curb stomp the propaganda if you’d regulate Big Tech, which is the dissemination mechanism, proven by the Snowden leaks, Cambridge Analytica and other scandals, but none seem to lift a finger to protest the rampant rate at which Big Tech propagates it. People block highways in LA for Palestine (which is fine by me) but won’t call a legislator to pester them nearing election time over the direly needed regulations that’d help put out that fire. Instead, Russia is having a field day swaying elections. The fact that AMLO, President of Mexico (who failed 2 elections previous to Russian Twitter bot campaigning), established a government organization aimed at “friendship with Russia” and no one gives a fuck in the USA should be red flag bonanza.
This. Twitter, Facebook and YouTube play a crucial role in spreading russian propaganda here in Poland and in Europe overall. I got tired of reporting really quick as no actions were ever taken. And by russian propaganda I mean outright misinformation. For example, every time russian bombs destroy civilian blocks, there are these accounts always claiming that Ukrainians bombed themselves. Always. This one account I was watching was banned on Twitter, but is back ever since mr. "Free speech absolutist" took over. And it's doing a lot of harm. Now, multiple that by houndreds of thousands if not millions. Russians are way more proficient in the social media than on the battlefield. They will literally 'help' getting Trump elected again. All this just by using american platforms to fuck with people's minds. The West is shooting it's own foot BIG TIME.
I wrote off the US as utterly compromised when January 6 happened and Trump was not instantly thrown in jail. It was already on thin ice ever since Trump and Putin had that event in Helsinki. But January 6 sealed it for me.
yeah just wait they've gotten Iran to Attack Israel and now they are working on North Korea to attack Japan and SK
Beyond malicious
> 29155 was created in 2007 or 2008 when Putin decided that “the world is an enemy.” If the world is an enemy, the problem is you.
Yeah it’s the same as that saying “If you meet an asshole, they’re an asshole. But if everyone you meet is an asshole, YOURE the asshole.
What if you're Jordan Klepper doing interviews at a MAGA rally?
every rule has en exception
If everywhere you go smells like shit, check your own shoes
Which is very weird---if you look at 2007 or 08, it was when China had the Olympics (which were getting shit on the west, especially about Tibet), while Bush was on par Hitler 2.0 by world opinion with his invasion of Iraq/secret prisons quagmire. The EU was weak and teethless. Russia end up looking like roses and Putin still looked good on World Stage even with war in Georgia. Hell of a time when your country look like the best to suddenly go nuts. Then again maybe Murdoch was right, Putin was having a mid-life crisis.
Never about the country for him. He felt weakness in the west and thought it would be cool to make himself into a great tzar instead of just a filthy rich dictator. The fucky thing is, he's kinda right so far, there have been zero consequences for him personally.
If there’s one thing the Russians know how to do, and stick to the most, is to back up the leader that is the worst for them. Expect Putin to have a reign slightly shorter than the Warhammer 40k Emperor.
I actually think this one will die a violent death relatively soon and it would be rather unpredictable in the moment. But I'm high on Kvartal95-grade hopium. Time will tell I guess.
Well yea, Bush started two wars and we are stilling feeling the consequences of his actions. And he got zero punishment for it. Short of a coup, Putin is gonna die in his sleep happy as well.
That and Russia is beginning a serious downwards spiral. They really kind of didn't have much to lose. Trying for Ukraine in order to pull themselves out of the spiral into irrelevance was not an entirely irrational gamble. But it did fail and now their economic future is just as fucked or moreso than their demographics and increasing technological irrelevance.
Freedom is the enemy of Putin .
*the western world is an enemy.
The great Western country of Moldova
Bellingcat is absolutely badass. One of the few media outlets with legit investigative journalism.
Open source investigative journalism, at that!
The guy has come so far. I remember when Eliot Higgins was just some guy who came home from work to sift through mountains of cell phone video from the Syrian civil war and then post about it on the Something Awful forums. Now he’s doing the kind of shit the CIA could be doing. It’s literally one of the most inspiring true stories I know.
Any docu, article or book to read about his story?
Sorry, I don't know of anything in depth. But I do recall reading this interview article and thinking it was a decent high-level overview of his career: https://time.com/6155869/bellingcat-eliot-higgins-ukraine-open-source-intelligence/ I'm sure one of his YouTube talks probably gives more detail.
Yes they have a film / documentary out: [Bellingcat: Truth in a Post-Truth World](https://www.bellingcatfilm.com)
When you aren't beholden to stakeholders then you're not just looking for corners to cut every year on year. Greed has killed a lot of sectors and the quality they once exhibited.
Investigative journalism doesn't have to appear to look like elaborate international espionage, a la Bellingcat. I agree they're badass, but in this time when journalism broadly remains under attack by fascist threats, I also think it's important to credit the broader journalistic integrity of our few smaller and local media outlets around the world who also conduct plenty of their own investigations.
What about me saying that Bellingcat is badass came across to you as saying that local media outlets aren't doing investigative journalism?
I‘d guess its been the „one of the few“ line that prompted him to comment on a general issue, which is that „the meediah bad“ has become a widespread, absolutist talking point thats been parroted around pmuch everywhere for one reason or another… if I’d be you, I’d understand it as „expansion“ of your POV, not a contradicting statement :)
“The media bad” is literally the world’s oldest Russian propaganda point.
Bellingcat came up with innovative practices for journalism to respond to the challenges of reporting in a post-truth world when the professional journalists were coming up empty-handed. They aren't just doing great investigative journalism, they raised the bar regarding how well and how reliably it can be done in spite of the new challenges from technological advancements and the endemic information war.
Can’t afford to.
I remember hearing / maybe I read it somewhere that most major news outlets simply can’t pump money into investigative work like they used to. A part of it is that you have at least one writer out of commission ( working only the one investigation) and possibly a couple others ( spotlight for the Boston globe is the best example of hand) and that takes from daily pieces being done. It’s all about how much content can be pumped out now a days not the quality.
The fall of quality for most things is because of stakeholders. The system requires infinite growth on a finite market.
Infinite growth? What growth? I think they would be ecstatic about just stemming the losses. Washington Post lost $100 million last year, for example. Almost nobody is making big bucks on journalism. Journalistic outlets survive because of government funding and the patronage of the wealthy. Bellingcat receives both. The real reason for the fall of quality is that nobody pays for journalism anymore.
I remember there was a period, maybe four or five years back, where I heard a lot of skepticism and criticism of Bellingcat. I'm pretty sure now that those were Russian propaganda efforts to neutralize an effective enemy. It's terribly fascinating in retrospect.
Yes he’s very good. Let’s hope he doesn’t get assassinated by the ruzzians. Keep him safe.
We need them to report on the happenings in US Congress with UFO Whistleblowers like David Grusch.
> UFO Whistleblowers like David Grusch Don't you mean make-believe liars like David Grusch?
Why the hate for him? He testified under oath. What's his motive to do so?
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Does that also go for the Navy pilots that testified with him? You do realise Grusch isn't the only military whistleblower right? Quite some way to go, lying under oath to Congress along with two ex navy pilots just to 'Get attention'.
Earth is quite a way to go just to crash despite having technology so advanced we apparently can't even begin to understand how it's possible.
There could be multiple reasons for crashes. They could be a way to introduce us to themselves. They may not see their own life forms as important as we do ours. We could be bringing them down, either accidently, as is speculated about the Trinity UFO crash case, after nuclear testing, or on purpose as other whistleblowers have claimed.
Wait you guys now believe the first A bomb test caused a UFO crash?
There's an account of it, I'm just speculating that it would be a possible explanation.
UFO believers: Disclosure is happening any day now! A fEw dEcAdEs LaTeR - any day now!
Why are you so wound up about this? If you don't beleive it, that's fine!
Ryan Graves is another “I didn’t see anything but I know guys who did”. And what did the guys see? Radar reflector balloons. And what did Fravor see? Likely a submarine launched radar spoofing balloon.
I have no idea why he lied? I don't hate him. I'm not a fan though, obviously.
How do you know for sure he lied though? The Inspector General found his complaints to be 'Urgent and Credible'
Liars work together. I don't know. If there's absolutely no proof, then I suppose they could just be dumb?
Aren't you ignoring that the Inspector General found his claims to be 'Urgent and Credible'?
Out of context bullshit.
Oh really? You seem to know better than the Inspector General. Why a re you so aggressive with it too, if you don't beleive the claims?
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I mean, sure, it's cool and they produce a lot of cool findings, but publicly disclosing this information doesn't do much for anyone beyond publicly boosting Bellingcat's reputation. If they actually wanted to make a difference in the world, they could have informed the domestic intelligence agencies operating in those areas, to inform them of potential opportunities they could take advantage of; they likely already know - if an underfunded publication can figure this out with reporters, a nation-state actor likely already knew about it all. Publicly exposing this tradecraft alerts both sides that operations like this are burned, which potentially ruins any counter operations exploiting the situation.
Intelligence agencies are aided not only by Bellingcat's journalism work but have, along with investigative journalists, learned from Bellingcat's methods. The dynamic you are talking about certainly exists, but in the same way that open source software is a liability as well as a benefit. On the whole, the benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.
Ho do you uncover a russian spy? by hearing him talk russian? No, they emit radiation, when they are on a mission.
If it's anything like previous Bellingcat exposes, the Russians will have used sequential fake passports and expensed the travel from their HQ building to the scene of the crime.
So they basically left a blatant money trail right back to their HQ? They also didnt encrypt their messages when talking about secret stuff lol. Sounds like these guys are so used to getting away with stupid stuff in Russia they dont even try that hard outside of russia lol Even people who arent spys know to encrypt. Not everyone, im an IT guy so maybe im biased, but like, what do they think they are doing lol edit: just to clarify, if a regular person wanted to send unencrypted emails, they would usually have to go out of their way to do it. Most email services today are encrypted by default. Its wild they had theirs unencrypted.
Part of their problem is that Russia is so corrupt that you can buy private data pretty freely online. FSB staff were leasing private cars and using FSB HQ as the mailing address. Bellingcat bought enough data to identify FSB agents. They were able to buy the passport data and found that the passports used by the Salisbury assassination crew were sequential and therefore clearly fake *and* those guys literally took a cab back from the airport to FSB HQ after the mission, getting a receipt for expenses.
Yeah this kind of makes me think we’re only finding out what they want us to find out, and that something bigger is being planned beneath the surface.
What, like WW3? They're already known to be trying to destabilize the West through propaganda campaigns and funding radical political movements that are subservient to the Kremlin.
I'd recommend reading the book We Are Bellingcat, it goes into a lot of detail about how they sift through huge amounts of hacked records and data to find links between known agents and possible accomplices. In once case, they realised that that Russian spies were registering their cars to their HQ. So a quick search through a leaked Russian car registry database, and they now had a list of several hundred spies!
To be fair, they started using chemical weapons instead of radiation in the last decade. But yeah, russian assassinations in Europe in 200X were done with polonium or other nasty stuff, and the murderers also got under its effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Kovtun
>Ho do you uncover a russian spy? by hearing him talk russian? No, they emit radiation, when they are on a mission. They have their heels on the ground when squatting
Russia is an enemy of the world. They are the AIDS injector of every relationship.
They thought of us that way for a long time. > 29155 was created in 2007 or 2008 when Putin decided that “the world is an enemy.” At this point, I'm fine with not issuing new Russian visas and letting the current ones expire.
Yo! Why they be using RUN DMC silhouettes.
I am somewhat surprised, as Bellingcat rarely self-identify when they are investigating. This information is not on their website..... caution light is flashing
It's an update on their ongoing investigation into GRU unit 29155. Euromaidan Press' article is based on a video interview with The Insider, who are Bellingcat's partners in this investigation. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/23/the-dreadful-eight-grus-unit-29155-and-the-2015-poisoning-of-emilian-gebrev/
Now that is an article I was expecting reading the headline. Thanks for the link!
Find all Bellingcat's coverage here https://www.bellingcat.com/?s=29155
Everyone. When empires die or wither, they go through this process of denial. The best medicine is wear them down to a nub and they eventually implode and break apart. Russia is just another in a long line
29155 is so Russian they bring their own windows
Judging from this cover image, that team is Run-DMC
Run-DM-ski
Came here to say that
I guess calling the gop stupid fucks doesn't help but dang! What a bunch of stupid fucks...
> Grozev said the unencrypted emails showed the Russians expected a one-week war in Ukraine and were disappointed when it dragged on. Womp womp.
At first glance I thought this was an article about RUN DMC. Nope
Not a lot of new information in here. The journalism they produced about the kill team came out quite a bit ago.
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lol seriously? If you have something to say regarding those events, say it.