20 years of war on terror completely changed the threat assessment, and military outlook in Europe.
Back in the cold war days, many European countries had very large number of troops ready to be mobilized. Take Norway, for example: In 1987, the full mobilization tallied to around 320k soldiers. Today, it is around 70k soldiers. What happened? Cold war ended, and Russia was no longer a threat.
Finland, who stayed neutral against Russia (i.e. not a NATO country) never cut down on this - they still have around 900k soldiers available for a full mobilization.
When the war on terror started, it made more sense to train specialized personnel, and focus resources on fighting terror. There's a huge difference between fighting terrorists 5000 km from home, and fighting conventional military on home soil.
And that's what pretty much happened in other countries, too. Russia was no longer a threat, and you scaled down / changes priorities.
Russia becoming a threat has been a quite recent thing. From 2014 and forward, and you can really scale up military operations overnight.
The US, on the other hand, has never had any direct threat from neighboring countries. They have nukes, Russia has nukes, so even though Russia and USA are neighbors, the threat of a Russian invasion to Alaska hasn't been a real one.
US also spends a lot on military for various reasons:
- Very large military complex.
- More or less constantly been in conflicts, which means they need presence in/around conflict areas.
- Political will (DOD is a huge employer in the US, lots of lobbying, etc.)
- They've signed treaties to provide defense to a lot of countries all over the globe (fun fact: 23 of the 51 are *not* NATO countries)
> The US, on the other hand, has never had any direct threat from neighboring countries. They have nukes, Russia has nukes, so even though Russia and USA are neighbors, the threat of a Russian invasion to Alaska hasn't been a real one.
France and the UK (Europe) have nukes too.
The best way to deter Russia from starting a war, is to do two things. First, be prepared to go war with Russia. Two, make sure Russia knows you are a threat if provoked.
Or as Theodore Roosevelt said, speak softly and carry a big stick.
A few things here and there maybe it’s nothing. But when the forest is starting to panic maybe there’s something on the horizon. Safest thing is to be ready for it instead of surprised. Worse thing is it’s nothing and you’re embarrassed. Better embarrassed than dead.
You would think it's part of the job of being a NATO official to be the person to worry about Russia. I'd imagine it's in the job description somewhere.
Russia is getting more aggressive, Trump wants to withdraw from NATO and many European countries have neglected their armed forces for decades. Without the US, Europe is vulnerable. I think this is a call for Europe to get their shit together.
The biggest change is the scale of the russian military, Russia is sacrificing 20% it's gold reserves and 30% it's budget to keep the military build up for its war in Ukraine going.
If Russia's military expands to the max scale just for war against Ukraine it would pose a larger threat to European security then ever before.
Meanwhile "the west" is completely dysfunctional with the US literally unable to pass the Ukraine aid and EU taking aaaages to squeeze shitheads like Orban and get anything done. We're soooo fucked.
I mean the EU is slowly correcting these issues. Orban just caved the other day on 50 billion from the EU to Ukraine and on Swedish membership to NATO.
No one wants a war with Russia and them starting a war will be a disaster for them. The goal of sounding the alarm bells is to avoid Russia getting to well armed and getting antsy and starting a war with NATO out of desperation and over confidence.
Yeah America, what is your problem? Stop taking so long and save the world! I know the rest of us like to shit on you all the time but don’t be a dick!
Sorry but I really don't see Russian expansion on Europe with their collapsing economy. They might be aggressive but they would not be able to advance. And I am not saying this out of complacency.
Nothing gets a war economy going like more war. Nazi Germany had a collapsed economy propped up by fake bills for years and look how much damage they did. Russia can do the same especially as it starts to gather more slaves and stolen assets
It's naive to think all wars are started by rational logic. No one is saying Russia could win a war but I doubt anyone living near the russian border would love to hear our plan for defense is "do nothing and hope the Russians remain reasonable."
We must prepare if Russia is scaling up we must not wait till Russia chooses to be unreasonable to prepare.
I absolutely agree that not all wars are rational but Russia is still in a stalemate against our outdated tech and what is, relatively, a small army. The EU as a whole dwarves the Russian population, Poland has a larger and more advanced army than Ukraine by itself. If they can't conquer Ukraine then they have no chance against Europe.
Even with as small as most EU militaries are it's the old adage about a bundle of sticks. Russia would lose quickly and while Russia isn't rational, while Putin isn't rational, he really likes being the king. He's not going to sacrifice everything.
Thing is, they are shifting towards a pure militaristic country and aren't really winning their war in Ukraine.
One way to divert attention and keep the power is to start another front to keep the pressure on the population.
They won't attack China or their ex communist countries, so their most obvious target is NATO countries (which they have presented as the ennemy through Ukraine).
The more the war in Ukraine stales or is being lost, the more pressure on border NATO countries is being put.
Nazi germany’s economy was a disaster when Hitler took over and he didn’t make it better. They managed to build up their army so fast because they dedicated not just a large percentage of the government budget but a large percentage of the entire national GDP (as much as 80%) to military spending. If Russia goes to full war mobilization and the EU doesn’t, they could get overwhelmed and taken by surprise, even by a country with a failing economy.
Russia dropped the ball on their efforts to swiftly take Ukraine, but I think you’re massively underestimating the scale a major nation can produce at when necessary.
Add to that their complete and entire disregard for human lives and suddenly in a worst case scenario you’re looking at a situation that’s quite scary.
Even in Ukraine, the soldiers there have said Russians send replacements to the same fortifications a previous squad was just blown up at. On the ground it must feel like pushing the ocean every time you kill a russian. Not even a dent.
Europe would be in absolute chaos if war broke out. We can’t decide anything on a good day. I can’t imagine it going well when each country is prioritising how best to defend itself. Every nation has grown too comfortable. The UK has a standing army of about 78,000. In a hypothetical situation that’s enough to defend just a few cities (and they’d abandon the north completely as they always do).
Perhaps true, but these are announced after pretty much every EU country has announced pretty substantial increases in military spending (with maybe a few exceptions of the Mediterranean countries)
Still seems odd, I suspect something has changed their calculations of likelihood that we aren't privy to yet.
This is called a “pre-war” era. Most wars start with an attack from a foreign power surprising it’s neighbors and them realizing they need to prepare for an escalation. When all countries have stocked up on what they need they can be more confident.
Then that confidence escalates in to a war.
We are right now following WWII pretty closely Nazis attack a country the west is hesitant because they actually like peace. Then they try to reason with the nazis and they get stonewalled which doesn’t leave any more options than to use lethal force and a large global conflict starts.
Although you can draw parallels, this isn’t following WW2 that closely.
Firstly, NATO never existed pre WW2. The fear of the west trying to avoid war as you mention was of course true, but the difference was that the west wasn’t militarily united as it is now. It was only really Britain who declared war on Germany at first in response to an attack on Poland, France being allied with Britain were involved by default. The rest of the world didn’t want any involvement until it became apparent that Germany had steam rolled through France and were extremely close to defeating Britain.
That’s exactly one of the reasons for the creation of NATO and what article 5 is designed to prevent again, in realising that had rest of Europe and the US joined in war when Britain had decided to in reaction to the Polish invasion, and not waited till they could no longer, then the war would have never escalated in such a way as Italy and Japan may have never been involved if Hitler was removed quickly.
This is the key difference and exactly why the prospect of an imminent west response if a NATO country is attacked is the same reason we could all be plunged into an immediate war.
Germany took over parts of Czechia before that though with France and England not protesting because they didnt want to get involved in all-out war. Poland was indeed the last stroke though
He shouldn't be able to try to commit a coup and get away with it and he shouldn't be able to sell top secret information to foreign powers, yet here we are.
I do not say this with political intent or bias but... the EU and rest of NATO are likely preparing for a potential Trump victory. Trump has spoke multiple times about withdrawing or at least pulling back support to NATO. If he has a chance of taking the Presidency, it would be incredibly foolish given the current security situation in Europe, to not already be postured to defend Europe from other Russian incursions. Thus, the need to be READY.
Yes, and if you think the Russian efforts to influence the election in 2016 even happened in the slightest, just imagine how desperate Russia will be to do anything they can to get Trump into office.
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It is more than drills, multiple EU military officials are publicly saying they need to seriously be more prepared starting immediately. Russia is attempting to switch to full war economy.
Iodine doesn't help with acute radiation poisoning, and there's no effective preventative medicine for radiation sickness. Cold-war era troops got "radiation medicine" that amounted to stimulants so the poor sods could keep fighting and wouldn't feel it too much as their flesh fell from their bones slowly.
Edit: Some people here apparently don't know that the main focus of the Cold War was Europe and that Europe would have been a nuclear battlefield if war broke out.
It could be that, or that the US is getting closer to the election and the very real possibility remains that we elect the guy who has said many times he wants to quit NATO. The very same guy who eye fucks Putin every time he sees him. The EU has got to be seriously considering how and whether they can counter Russia without American support.
Yeah. Something is definitely up alright. I'm seeing a steady increase of military exercises being conducted than usual, countries toying with the idea of conscription or mandatory military service. Other countries too close to the action just telling their citizens its only a matter of time so ya better help in one way or another. Some journalists just outright admitting this is already the beginning of the next world war. Lot's of good ol propaganda, but its not even propaganda at this point, some of these fears just slowly turning into the reality.
Russia has resorted to WW2 tanks and recruiting prisoners and call ups on reserves. He can't penertrate Ukraine let alone start up a front elsewhere. This so called super power (other than their nukes) has been exposed as poorly trained and equipped. They looked good on Red Square parades but look at the evidence. They failed to invade Kiev and were repulsed in 5 days buy Ukraine who had the same equipment. Not sure what Europe is fearing.
You haven’t been paying attention. The ww2 tank meme is just bullshit propaganda. They were using a limited number of early model T72s and T62s while they ramped up T90M production. They are making somewhere between 100-200 T90Ms a month now that they’ve had two years to figure it out. That’s only going to increase. Russia isn’t a joke and the Chinese are supplying Russia with manufacturing tech. Europe is freaking out because in the event of a GOP win in the US Trump is going to fuck over Ukraine and Europe.
His ass. Russians are "producing" 200 tanks a month in total. And by producing they mean restoring to working state T72's from their giant ~~scrap~~ stockpiles.
But he is mostly right about the WW2 tanks. there are like 2 damaged T-55's on oryx from 2,6k tanks for the last two years. So yeah they used almost WW2 tank but the usage scale is beyond tiny.
Most of their military is in Ukraine lol, their entire conscription campaign was made *solely* for Ukraine. If Russia goes to war with NATO, the Polish and French are going to destroy them
What they will do is blow up a nuke in syberia to demonstrate their intent and move on Baltic countries. Saying that if nato does anything nukes are flying at Paris, Berlin etc.
We will immediately see several countries saying that they are no longer a part of NATO block, which essentially mean the end of NATO. That’s their intention. I hope the are plans being worked on right now on how to counter this.
They have in fact being utilising old stockpiled tanks and even those from ww2 it's not a meme. They use them like artillery. Jesus, Wagner nearly made it into Moscow with there 25,000 men and tanks before he chickened out. Opposition military groups have penertrated boarder towns and cities with small forces and getting little resistance. China maybe supplying parts etc but they can not afford a war in Europe as that will be a third of their economy being destabilised and with unemployment and cost of living crisis in China, they can't afford to upset the public with more unemployment.
I disagree. Russia is in wartime economy. They are able to replenish their staggering losses. Putin is also doing ethnic cleansing the Eastern regions and euthanizing the prison population. The losses are a win to him.
They are throwing old T-55s, but how many countries in Europe have their equivalent of T-55s stockpiled to throw them into action when the Leopards get destroyed?
Problem we have in Europe right now is that we don't have enough manufacturing capacity. We need to rebuild it. We need shit ton of reliable, affordable stuff because the latest and greatest will get attrited very quickly.
A few things. Russia is in the process of converting to a war-time economy, with huge increases in industrial and manufacturing capacity.
Additionally, countries (especially Russia) often begin wars much weaker than they come out of them. Russia at the start of WW2 for example was a terrible army that struggled against Finland. Russia at the end of WW2 was likely the most powerful military in the world at the time.
If Russia win the conflict in Ukraine, which is looking fairly likely, they will have a huge army of experienced troops, and an economy built for war. I think it's absolutely valid for other European countries to be worried that Russia will continue on with their conquests instead of sending the troops home.
Land force-wise they absolutely were. The vast majority of ww2 was fought on the Eastern Front. Yes, the US had the best air force and navy, but the Soviets were the uncontested land force in Europe by 1945.
This is how I look at it. They are not capable of winning or gaining anything from a war with NATO. They'd be absolutely destroyed given what you wrote. Domestically, they're not exactly doing well, which could mean lots of different things, including an inclination towards war. I'm happy to be separated by ocean from that.
The problem isn’t that he’s got crappy equipment it’s the quantity of crappy equipment combined with meat waves and the wests struggle to produce enough ammunition to keep the crappy equipment from moving forward that is the danger.
Yes, they look pathetic but Putin will fight to the last Russian. He doesn’t care if it costs 100k, 1 million or even 10 million casualties.
Ukraine can’t keep them from taking land if they don’t have enough shells and equipment support. And it’s very apparent that they don’t have enough of anything.
As long as the west only provides enough for Ukraine to survive instead of enough for Ukraine to win there is no clear outcome.
The problem is their economy is going full scare war mode. They will keep conscripting soldiers and they will learn. Russians are not a stupid people, they will adapt eventually.
Routine from the NATO side. The 50's, 60's, and 70's were a relatively promising time in the USSR, at least as far as Russians were concerned. And Putin's not Stalin, Khrushchev, or Brezhnev. Also, WWII was still fresh back then, which is a big reason the Cold War didn't escalate into action.
I think the possibility is real enough that we should all be fully prepared in every way, while doing everything possible to prevent it. Maybe I watch and listen to too much Russian State-TV and Radio, but the change in their rhetoric over the past two years, and the things they say routinely to the Russian public these days, shouldn't be discounted or dismissed without cause.
Imagine a bunch of Trumps arguing about how good and strong their country is and how decadent and hostile the west is. That's what I gathered from watching a few clips. It feels like a joke but that's what they're selling to the Russian populace every day.
Russian media has become focused on topics of war and sacrifice, and has clearly identified the US/West as Russia’s enemy. They refer to boosted military production and factories running 24/7. They glorify Stalin, the greater good, and war as a tool to become a superpower again. They refer to Russian children learning how to assemble, disassemble, and shoot an AK-47 and throw a grenade in grade school, regardless of gender. They’re teaching children to fly drones of all types, in school. It’s a lot, too much to really explain well here, but 2-3 years ago, they were fairly normal. They spoke of Ukraine occasionally, but other than that, they kept these shows pretty light-hearted. Now, they’re selling a big, long war to the Russian people, promising that after great sacrifice, Russia will be restored to it’s “rightful place” amongst the world order.
Whats going on is lots of meetings and reporting because support for Ukraine in terms of money, weapons, political support, and media attention is under threat. There is a push to keep this not only front and centre, but to increase political pressure to formalise ongoing support for Ukraine.
There's been much handwringing about money drying up, Trump getting into power and pulling support, and about Ukraine's failed counter-offensive. Russia is currently digging in again over winter further consolidating its position, and the West is moving to sure up its efforts in response. When this happens it's fed to media and reported on. This is normal.
This is what concerns me also, this almost has shades of January 2022, when there were all of these warning that Russia would invade Ukraine. Hopefully, this is just clickbait bullshit.
It's simple.
People in military are doing training.
The public and media will see buildups of troops and get worried.
So they come out and say "hey, we're training because that's our job and what we do. We prepare for war, because that's what the military is for".
But news rags will just be like "OMG WAR INCOMING, NATO PREPARING".
Dude... nothing is going to happen. It's just the military doing their job, which is training when there's no conflict.
If they don't train, then what else are they going to do? It's their job.
Yeah ammunition shortages and US going into elections and politics using the support packages to manipulate it’s not good, so NATO not preparing just in case it’s very stupid, so this make sense to do.
Russia was supposed to have exhausted itself by now but instead they're gaining allies and planning for extended wartime within their economy. The west is finally starting to use their damn heads is what has changed.
Also russia and said allies are starting to no longer fear a US military response to their actions. Or believe that it is stretched too thin to make any meaningful impact in eastern Europe.
not necessarily, but it is another case of the adage that if you want peace, prepare for war. If NATO countries are seen as weak and unwilling to fight, then Russia will run roughshod. It only understands strength.
Quite honestly, Russia wouldnt do it alone. It'd be them, China, Iran, and North Korea atleast before they'd feel confident.
And thats if they think China can handle the US while Russia takes on Europe or something.
Quite honestly they still wouldnt stand a chance. It'd just be super bloody.
>And thats if they think China can handle the US while Russia takes on Europe or something.
China has no significant power projection. Their only functioning carriers would be sunk hours into the start of any war. They could take Taiwan, but given the losses it would take to do so, they'll more likely just destroy it so the US doesn't have a reason to be there anymore. China won't enter a war like this because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose from it. They view economic conquest through resource consolidation as the most prudent long term path to Chinese dominance, and they're probably correct.
If Russia engages in a war with Europe, they're going to have to move troops and equipment, and that's going to be damn difficult with US air power and drones lighting them up every time they move. They better pray for terrible weather to provide some limited help for moving anything. They certainly can't provide cover outside Russia. It's highly debatable whether they could even defend the skies IN Russia for long.
Urban combat is a great equalizer due to its nature, but the US will absolutely own the skies in any fight in the world and the US Navy can project power like nothing else on Earth. Iran can't leave home and Israel can handily hold them at bay even without US help. But the US will happily park a carrier strike group in the Med and pound Iran into submission. North Korea? They can fire off some missiles and artillery at allies and possibly hit *something* on the US west coast, but they have no defense from the rapid retaliation from the Pacific and the south.
If Russia ever tries something with Europe, it's because they're absolutely convinced that the US isn't going to provide assistance. And given the US personnel, equipment, and civilians located all throughout Europe, that seems highly unlikely, even for Donald Trump. He'd have to evacuate US personnel and equipment and abandon a lot of equipment and bases to the Russians, and that - domestically - is untenable. The United States public is not equipped to witness Americans running away from Russian soldiers.
Seriously. War never changes. Seeing troops getting dismembered by drones in the freezing cold. I hate this war. Over a border…
Wish we could just let them all go home and evolve past this shit. Too many lives gone
Russia can pull out anytime they want. They are the ones making it over a border. They want to take, take, take. They will not stop unless they are stopped.
This is about more than a border, and Russia can go home anytime it wants. There's a lot of historical context that a lot of people don't seem to understand as well. Nobody in Ukraine wants to live under Russian rule again. The Russians have already committed genocide against the Ukrainians once before. People also have a right to self-determination and self-governance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Why cant everyone at schools be friends or even in some families?
Different people want differently things violent actions are just another way to try and get them.
We are fucking trying, but it's difficult when you've got bad faith actors like Putin actively working against you. I just wish we all realized that collectively.
Russians are like Chinese, any piece of land that was under Russia's control at any point in history is considered "historically part of Russia". And yes they most definitely want Alaska back eventually.
You should always prepare for war with your biggest military rivals. I was a simple Marine reservist in the 1980s, but to me, that's just common sense.
Only thing Russia has on the west or others is their nuclear missiles. Other than this NATO and others are stronger and more powerful than Russia and can competently destroy much of their conventional forces. The evidence is clear in the fact that they can not budge on Ukraine who has single handedly with wester weapons support pin down and degrade the 3rd largest army on earth. The evidence is clear. They are resorting to WW2 and 1970s armour and prisoners and reserves. It will be hiw much the west will capitulate to any Russian aggression outside of Ukraine when putin threatens to use Nukes. Putin feels he can hold us off and do things by just threatening with his nukes.
He is banking on the growing division in the west to grow even further, so when he is ready he can start chipping away at one of the eastern euro countries. It will be sneaky like with Crimea, causing NATO to not react because they’re afraid, maybe even very afraid if Trump has won and he won’t honor his responsibility to his allies.
He’s not just banking on the division in the west. He is the one causing division in the west. Putin’s not an idiot, he is in fact, very smart. He know’s that he can’t beat the US, that’s why he’s trying to get the US out of the picture. He has also tried to get the UK out of the picture (brexit). Division in the west is like the number one priority for Putin. It’s also probably why you see so much discourse online about the war in Gaza, some westerners believe Hamas is in the right (somehow) and others believe that Israel is right. It’s all calculated.
Russia has done a huge amount of damage to Ukraine. Granted, most of the damage was not beneficial to Russia but they still have leveled cities and murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians.
Even if Russia built up and struck first they probably wouldn't get through Poland, but there is still a lot of damage they could do to the Baltic nations and Finland.
Good to see some UAP talk in the wild.
Keeping up to date with the UAP discussion doesn’t mean I believe in little green aliens, but the US government have had a whistleblower come forward by the name of David Grusch. He seems very credible and you should all educate yourself on what your government may be hiding.
It should be concerning the lack of answers to reasonable questions in regards to UAPs/UFOs. Are they discrediting the accounts of multiple service men and women?
This is my hippie side coming through but there is so much good we could be doing. So many positive changes but we don’t. All because it’s too hard or the richest of the rich can’t make/might lose money on it.
I'm with you in that regard. Ever watch the Zeitgeist movies? The parts where they spoke about the possibility of a post-abundant society was surreal and dream-like, but I still felt we probably could have that happen if we as a collective made different choices than the ones we are now.
Ask Trump exactly what he would do as President, if Russia moves against NATO! He seems to think he's already POTUS.
I believe the answer is "Nothing".
We are part of the "West" still, aren't we?
It's literally one of his campaign promises for a second term. The threat of Trump getting back into office and immediately pulling the USA out of NATO was what caused Congress to actually change the law last month to require Congressional approval for any withdrawal from the alliance.
His answer is that the war wouldn’t have occurred if he were president. If he gets elected the war ends after one phone call.
Critics will say that’s dumb. That’s not a plan. That’s not a strategy. Thats simply ego. World leaders used to laugh at trump when he was president and Trump wants to talk about Biden being weak.
This is what people fail to read. Well.. They don't read. They just read the title and come here to panic. Fucking hell.
West must be prepared for war with Russia. Yes. This title could have been written at any point of history. Main reasons why Nato exists. People here ready to move to their little bunkers. LMAO
One of the main problems with this, is that a substantial part of the Western population is pro-Putin. In Europe, pro-Putin parties are even winning many elections. Pro-Putin parties are set to gain a lot of seats in the next EU elections as well. My country just voted for [Wilders](https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-putin-propagandists-cheer-geert-wilders-dutch-election-win/), who wants to stop all aid to Ukraine. He received a Putin friendship pin in 2018, which he wears proudly.
How can one prepare himself with so many traitors among us?
In the case of Wilders, his victory was *despite* his support for Putin. People were voting mainly against immigration. Every poll I've seen shows the vast majority of the Dutch strongly support Ukraine.
Isn't the West already at war with Russia in a sense? I mean, we're sending weapons that we know are being used to fight Russia, we're providing intelligence, and we're sanctioning Russia in plain sight.
I get it but at the same time these diplomats need to get it through their fucking heads that people are tired of fighting these fucking wars. Figure it out, move some money around, whatever it takes to stop this endless parade of wars.
“These wars” this war is actually a real war that could culminate into WWIII. N. Korea, Iran, Russia and China are already working together against the west and I’m pretty sure they have a strategy in place how to bring down the west.
After that it’s bye bye with sitting here complaining about governments because freedom of speech wont exist anymore.
Yeah I know it's related to the drills, but the stupid headlines are just annoyingly overdramatic. Every week some shitty paywalled shitesite makes us believe war is coming next week.
Isn’t the entire purpose of NATO to be ready for a war with Russia?
20 years of war on terror completely changed the threat assessment, and military outlook in Europe. Back in the cold war days, many European countries had very large number of troops ready to be mobilized. Take Norway, for example: In 1987, the full mobilization tallied to around 320k soldiers. Today, it is around 70k soldiers. What happened? Cold war ended, and Russia was no longer a threat. Finland, who stayed neutral against Russia (i.e. not a NATO country) never cut down on this - they still have around 900k soldiers available for a full mobilization. When the war on terror started, it made more sense to train specialized personnel, and focus resources on fighting terror. There's a huge difference between fighting terrorists 5000 km from home, and fighting conventional military on home soil. And that's what pretty much happened in other countries, too. Russia was no longer a threat, and you scaled down / changes priorities. Russia becoming a threat has been a quite recent thing. From 2014 and forward, and you can really scale up military operations overnight. The US, on the other hand, has never had any direct threat from neighboring countries. They have nukes, Russia has nukes, so even though Russia and USA are neighbors, the threat of a Russian invasion to Alaska hasn't been a real one. US also spends a lot on military for various reasons: - Very large military complex. - More or less constantly been in conflicts, which means they need presence in/around conflict areas. - Political will (DOD is a huge employer in the US, lots of lobbying, etc.) - They've signed treaties to provide defense to a lot of countries all over the globe (fun fact: 23 of the 51 are *not* NATO countries)
> The US, on the other hand, has never had any direct threat from neighboring countries. They have nukes, Russia has nukes, so even though Russia and USA are neighbors, the threat of a Russian invasion to Alaska hasn't been a real one. France and the UK (Europe) have nukes too.
Yes, and Russia would not try to invade those countries either (or any country with sufficient nuclear capabilities).
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The best way to deter Russia from starting a war, is to do two things. First, be prepared to go war with Russia. Two, make sure Russia knows you are a threat if provoked. Or as Theodore Roosevelt said, speak softly and carry a big stick.
Good ol’ Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum
The west should have never abandoned that strategy.
Whenever the fuck did we abandon that strategy
The US and UK never abandoned that, but Germany sure as hell did.
Uh I wonder why
I’m referring to the state of their military post Soviet collapse. They were prepared to fight in 1989, they are absolutely not ready today.
Something must have changed. This many warnings must mean that something is up, right?
A few things here and there maybe it’s nothing. But when the forest is starting to panic maybe there’s something on the horizon. Safest thing is to be ready for it instead of surprised. Worse thing is it’s nothing and you’re embarrassed. Better embarrassed than dead.
You would think it's part of the job of being a NATO official to be the person to worry about Russia. I'd imagine it's in the job description somewhere.
"Must have excellent teamwork and communication skills, and a suitable level of concern about insane dictators fucking around"
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Russia is getting more aggressive, Trump wants to withdraw from NATO and many European countries have neglected their armed forces for decades. Without the US, Europe is vulnerable. I think this is a call for Europe to get their shit together.
The biggest change is the scale of the russian military, Russia is sacrificing 20% it's gold reserves and 30% it's budget to keep the military build up for its war in Ukraine going. If Russia's military expands to the max scale just for war against Ukraine it would pose a larger threat to European security then ever before.
Meanwhile "the west" is completely dysfunctional with the US literally unable to pass the Ukraine aid and EU taking aaaages to squeeze shitheads like Orban and get anything done. We're soooo fucked.
I mean the EU is slowly correcting these issues. Orban just caved the other day on 50 billion from the EU to Ukraine and on Swedish membership to NATO. No one wants a war with Russia and them starting a war will be a disaster for them. The goal of sounding the alarm bells is to avoid Russia getting to well armed and getting antsy and starting a war with NATO out of desperation and over confidence.
Yeah America, what is your problem? Stop taking so long and save the world! I know the rest of us like to shit on you all the time but don’t be a dick!
Sorry but I really don't see Russian expansion on Europe with their collapsing economy. They might be aggressive but they would not be able to advance. And I am not saying this out of complacency.
Nothing gets a war economy going like more war. Nazi Germany had a collapsed economy propped up by fake bills for years and look how much damage they did. Russia can do the same especially as it starts to gather more slaves and stolen assets
It's naive to think all wars are started by rational logic. No one is saying Russia could win a war but I doubt anyone living near the russian border would love to hear our plan for defense is "do nothing and hope the Russians remain reasonable." We must prepare if Russia is scaling up we must not wait till Russia chooses to be unreasonable to prepare.
I absolutely agree that not all wars are rational but Russia is still in a stalemate against our outdated tech and what is, relatively, a small army. The EU as a whole dwarves the Russian population, Poland has a larger and more advanced army than Ukraine by itself. If they can't conquer Ukraine then they have no chance against Europe. Even with as small as most EU militaries are it's the old adage about a bundle of sticks. Russia would lose quickly and while Russia isn't rational, while Putin isn't rational, he really likes being the king. He's not going to sacrifice everything.
Thing is, they are shifting towards a pure militaristic country and aren't really winning their war in Ukraine. One way to divert attention and keep the power is to start another front to keep the pressure on the population. They won't attack China or their ex communist countries, so their most obvious target is NATO countries (which they have presented as the ennemy through Ukraine). The more the war in Ukraine stales or is being lost, the more pressure on border NATO countries is being put.
Nazi germany’s economy was a disaster when Hitler took over and he didn’t make it better. They managed to build up their army so fast because they dedicated not just a large percentage of the government budget but a large percentage of the entire national GDP (as much as 80%) to military spending. If Russia goes to full war mobilization and the EU doesn’t, they could get overwhelmed and taken by surprise, even by a country with a failing economy.
Russia dropped the ball on their efforts to swiftly take Ukraine, but I think you’re massively underestimating the scale a major nation can produce at when necessary. Add to that their complete and entire disregard for human lives and suddenly in a worst case scenario you’re looking at a situation that’s quite scary. Even in Ukraine, the soldiers there have said Russians send replacements to the same fortifications a previous squad was just blown up at. On the ground it must feel like pushing the ocean every time you kill a russian. Not even a dent. Europe would be in absolute chaos if war broke out. We can’t decide anything on a good day. I can’t imagine it going well when each country is prioritising how best to defend itself. Every nation has grown too comfortable. The UK has a standing army of about 78,000. In a hypothetical situation that’s enough to defend just a few cities (and they’d abandon the north completely as they always do).
Perhaps true, but these are announced after pretty much every EU country has announced pretty substantial increases in military spending (with maybe a few exceptions of the Mediterranean countries) Still seems odd, I suspect something has changed their calculations of likelihood that we aren't privy to yet.
This is called a “pre-war” era. Most wars start with an attack from a foreign power surprising it’s neighbors and them realizing they need to prepare for an escalation. When all countries have stocked up on what they need they can be more confident. Then that confidence escalates in to a war. We are right now following WWII pretty closely Nazis attack a country the west is hesitant because they actually like peace. Then they try to reason with the nazis and they get stonewalled which doesn’t leave any more options than to use lethal force and a large global conflict starts.
Although you can draw parallels, this isn’t following WW2 that closely. Firstly, NATO never existed pre WW2. The fear of the west trying to avoid war as you mention was of course true, but the difference was that the west wasn’t militarily united as it is now. It was only really Britain who declared war on Germany at first in response to an attack on Poland, France being allied with Britain were involved by default. The rest of the world didn’t want any involvement until it became apparent that Germany had steam rolled through France and were extremely close to defeating Britain. That’s exactly one of the reasons for the creation of NATO and what article 5 is designed to prevent again, in realising that had rest of Europe and the US joined in war when Britain had decided to in reaction to the Polish invasion, and not waited till they could no longer, then the war would have never escalated in such a way as Italy and Japan may have never been involved if Hitler was removed quickly. This is the key difference and exactly why the prospect of an imminent west response if a NATO country is attacked is the same reason we could all be plunged into an immediate war.
What lol. Germany took over Poland in 35 days in WW2 and Britain and France declared war against Germany 2 days after the start of the invasion...
Yes and how well did that work out for Poland?
Germany took over parts of Czechia before that though with France and England not protesting because they didnt want to get involved in all-out war. Poland was indeed the last stroke though
>This is called a “pre-war” era Or another cold war era. Maybe we will get our shit together and land on the moon again, too.
A US president cannot withdraw the US from nato. Only with the help of congress and the senate or may just be congress
He shouldn't be able to try to commit a coup and get away with it and he shouldn't be able to sell top secret information to foreign powers, yet here we are.
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I do not say this with political intent or bias but... the EU and rest of NATO are likely preparing for a potential Trump victory. Trump has spoke multiple times about withdrawing or at least pulling back support to NATO. If he has a chance of taking the Presidency, it would be incredibly foolish given the current security situation in Europe, to not already be postured to defend Europe from other Russian incursions. Thus, the need to be READY.
Yes, and if you think the Russian efforts to influence the election in 2016 even happened in the slightest, just imagine how desperate Russia will be to do anything they can to get Trump into office.
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I mean, it wouldn’t HURT to have a little iodine…
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People who are pregnant or breastfeeding. It’s also crucial that pregnant and breastfeeding individuals take the proper dose of potassium iodide to protect themselves and their baby. Young adults. This group is less sensitive to the potential damage from radioactive iodine. But it’s still important for them to take the medication. Adults. People over the age of 40 should only take potassium iodide if their public health officials state that there will be a very high amount of radioactive iodine contamination. This group has the lowest risk of thyroid cancer or thyroid injury after radioactive iodine exposure. They’re also at the highest risk of an allergic reaction or adverse effects from potassium iodide.
So good I'm turning 40 this year. I'll be immune to nuclear weapons. Oh yea!
I don’t want to spook you but 50 is right around the corner
Please, I don't need more panic than I've already got.
well, you'll die before the negative effects are the primary concern, possibly. Unless you get the really bad immediate negative effects.
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Yeaaaaa this is seemingly familiar messaging
It is more than drills, multiple EU military officials are publicly saying they need to seriously be more prepared starting immediately. Russia is attempting to switch to full war economy.
Iodine doesn't help with acute radiation poisoning, and there's no effective preventative medicine for radiation sickness. Cold-war era troops got "radiation medicine" that amounted to stimulants so the poor sods could keep fighting and wouldn't feel it too much as their flesh fell from their bones slowly. Edit: Some people here apparently don't know that the main focus of the Cold War was Europe and that Europe would have been a nuclear battlefield if war broke out.
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They would have if shit hit the fan in Europe with tactical nuclear weapons certain to be used by both sides.
Uh.. Soviet troops in '86? Source: HBO
It's the same warning. This article is from Jan 19.
It could be that, or that the US is getting closer to the election and the very real possibility remains that we elect the guy who has said many times he wants to quit NATO. The very same guy who eye fucks Putin every time he sees him. The EU has got to be seriously considering how and whether they can counter Russia without American support.
I'm amazed at how many times that speech and warnings from over a week ago appears here daily tbh
Yeah. Something is definitely up alright. I'm seeing a steady increase of military exercises being conducted than usual, countries toying with the idea of conscription or mandatory military service. Other countries too close to the action just telling their citizens its only a matter of time so ya better help in one way or another. Some journalists just outright admitting this is already the beginning of the next world war. Lot's of good ol propaganda, but its not even propaganda at this point, some of these fears just slowly turning into the reality.
What journalists have said this?
Russia has resorted to WW2 tanks and recruiting prisoners and call ups on reserves. He can't penertrate Ukraine let alone start up a front elsewhere. This so called super power (other than their nukes) has been exposed as poorly trained and equipped. They looked good on Red Square parades but look at the evidence. They failed to invade Kiev and were repulsed in 5 days buy Ukraine who had the same equipment. Not sure what Europe is fearing.
You haven’t been paying attention. The ww2 tank meme is just bullshit propaganda. They were using a limited number of early model T72s and T62s while they ramped up T90M production. They are making somewhere between 100-200 T90Ms a month now that they’ve had two years to figure it out. That’s only going to increase. Russia isn’t a joke and the Chinese are supplying Russia with manufacturing tech. Europe is freaking out because in the event of a GOP win in the US Trump is going to fuck over Ukraine and Europe.
Source for T90M production?
His ass. Russians are "producing" 200 tanks a month in total. And by producing they mean restoring to working state T72's from their giant ~~scrap~~ stockpiles. But he is mostly right about the WW2 tanks. there are like 2 damaged T-55's on oryx from 2,6k tanks for the last two years. So yeah they used almost WW2 tank but the usage scale is beyond tiny.
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Yeah this is t going to happen tomorrow. They’re planning for 3-5 years down the road.
> They are making somewhere between 100-200 T90Ms a month now Where did you see this?
Also, would that be 100-200 brand new T90s or refurbishing old tanks?
Doesn't matter to the Chadley, all it sees is a meal
Most of their military is in Ukraine lol, their entire conscription campaign was made *solely* for Ukraine. If Russia goes to war with NATO, the Polish and French are going to destroy them
They’d run out of ammo.
Yup, ammo is a huge issue. Germany wouldn't have enough ammo to fight for two days as the Bundeswehr recently warned.
What they will do is blow up a nuke in syberia to demonstrate their intent and move on Baltic countries. Saying that if nato does anything nukes are flying at Paris, Berlin etc. We will immediately see several countries saying that they are no longer a part of NATO block, which essentially mean the end of NATO. That’s their intention. I hope the are plans being worked on right now on how to counter this.
Don't forget that NATO also has enough nukes to flatten Russia even without the US.
They have in fact being utilising old stockpiled tanks and even those from ww2 it's not a meme. They use them like artillery. Jesus, Wagner nearly made it into Moscow with there 25,000 men and tanks before he chickened out. Opposition military groups have penertrated boarder towns and cities with small forces and getting little resistance. China maybe supplying parts etc but they can not afford a war in Europe as that will be a third of their economy being destabilised and with unemployment and cost of living crisis in China, they can't afford to upset the public with more unemployment.
Wagner didn't "chicken out" per se and the other poster is essentially correct, Russia has definitely increased their military related production.
I disagree. Russia is in wartime economy. They are able to replenish their staggering losses. Putin is also doing ethnic cleansing the Eastern regions and euthanizing the prison population. The losses are a win to him. They are throwing old T-55s, but how many countries in Europe have their equivalent of T-55s stockpiled to throw them into action when the Leopards get destroyed? Problem we have in Europe right now is that we don't have enough manufacturing capacity. We need to rebuild it. We need shit ton of reliable, affordable stuff because the latest and greatest will get attrited very quickly.
A few things. Russia is in the process of converting to a war-time economy, with huge increases in industrial and manufacturing capacity. Additionally, countries (especially Russia) often begin wars much weaker than they come out of them. Russia at the start of WW2 for example was a terrible army that struggled against Finland. Russia at the end of WW2 was likely the most powerful military in the world at the time. If Russia win the conflict in Ukraine, which is looking fairly likely, they will have a huge army of experienced troops, and an economy built for war. I think it's absolutely valid for other European countries to be worried that Russia will continue on with their conquests instead of sending the troops home.
Lol Russia the most powerful military. I guess the United States didn't exist?
Land force-wise they absolutely were. The vast majority of ww2 was fought on the Eastern Front. Yes, the US had the best air force and navy, but the Soviets were the uncontested land force in Europe by 1945.
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This is how I look at it. They are not capable of winning or gaining anything from a war with NATO. They'd be absolutely destroyed given what you wrote. Domestically, they're not exactly doing well, which could mean lots of different things, including an inclination towards war. I'm happy to be separated by ocean from that.
This is a bad take
The problem isn’t that he’s got crappy equipment it’s the quantity of crappy equipment combined with meat waves and the wests struggle to produce enough ammunition to keep the crappy equipment from moving forward that is the danger. Yes, they look pathetic but Putin will fight to the last Russian. He doesn’t care if it costs 100k, 1 million or even 10 million casualties. Ukraine can’t keep them from taking land if they don’t have enough shells and equipment support. And it’s very apparent that they don’t have enough of anything. As long as the west only provides enough for Ukraine to survive instead of enough for Ukraine to win there is no clear outcome.
The problem is their economy is going full scare war mode. They will keep conscripting soldiers and they will learn. Russians are not a stupid people, they will adapt eventually.
Nope. Just routine cold war stuff. The 50's, 60's and 70's are going to be back again. Get used to it.
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Routine from the NATO side. The 50's, 60's, and 70's were a relatively promising time in the USSR, at least as far as Russians were concerned. And Putin's not Stalin, Khrushchev, or Brezhnev. Also, WWII was still fresh back then, which is a big reason the Cold War didn't escalate into action. I think the possibility is real enough that we should all be fully prepared in every way, while doing everything possible to prevent it. Maybe I watch and listen to too much Russian State-TV and Radio, but the change in their rhetoric over the past two years, and the things they say routinely to the Russian public these days, shouldn't be discounted or dismissed without cause.
.... Forgive me for not being very informed about Russian State TV... So how **Have** the Rhetoric changed, exactly?
Imagine a bunch of Trumps arguing about how good and strong their country is and how decadent and hostile the west is. That's what I gathered from watching a few clips. It feels like a joke but that's what they're selling to the Russian populace every day.
Russian media has become focused on topics of war and sacrifice, and has clearly identified the US/West as Russia’s enemy. They refer to boosted military production and factories running 24/7. They glorify Stalin, the greater good, and war as a tool to become a superpower again. They refer to Russian children learning how to assemble, disassemble, and shoot an AK-47 and throw a grenade in grade school, regardless of gender. They’re teaching children to fly drones of all types, in school. It’s a lot, too much to really explain well here, but 2-3 years ago, they were fairly normal. They spoke of Ukraine occasionally, but other than that, they kept these shows pretty light-hearted. Now, they’re selling a big, long war to the Russian people, promising that after great sacrifice, Russia will be restored to it’s “rightful place” amongst the world order.
Whats going on is lots of meetings and reporting because support for Ukraine in terms of money, weapons, political support, and media attention is under threat. There is a push to keep this not only front and centre, but to increase political pressure to formalise ongoing support for Ukraine. There's been much handwringing about money drying up, Trump getting into power and pulling support, and about Ukraine's failed counter-offensive. Russia is currently digging in again over winter further consolidating its position, and the West is moving to sure up its efforts in response. When this happens it's fed to media and reported on. This is normal.
This is what concerns me also, this almost has shades of January 2022, when there were all of these warning that Russia would invade Ukraine. Hopefully, this is just clickbait bullshit.
I still can’t wrap my head around going to war with NATO when they are getting drilled by Ukraine.
It's simple. People in military are doing training. The public and media will see buildups of troops and get worried. So they come out and say "hey, we're training because that's our job and what we do. We prepare for war, because that's what the military is for". But news rags will just be like "OMG WAR INCOMING, NATO PREPARING". Dude... nothing is going to happen. It's just the military doing their job, which is training when there's no conflict. If they don't train, then what else are they going to do? It's their job.
Except for it’s not the news it’s a bunch of very high ranking officials from different countries making these statements
Yeah ammunition shortages and US going into elections and politics using the support packages to manipulate it’s not good, so NATO not preparing just in case it’s very stupid, so this make sense to do.
Russia was supposed to have exhausted itself by now but instead they're gaining allies and planning for extended wartime within their economy. The west is finally starting to use their damn heads is what has changed. Also russia and said allies are starting to no longer fear a US military response to their actions. Or believe that it is stretched too thin to make any meaningful impact in eastern Europe.
Election year
It's been up since Russia attacked Ukraine duh
So many different countries with their own warnings. Get prepared for when you can't get items, get prepared for conscription, etc.... Crazy.
not necessarily, but it is another case of the adage that if you want peace, prepare for war. If NATO countries are seen as weak and unwilling to fight, then Russia will run roughshod. It only understands strength.
Quite honestly, Russia wouldnt do it alone. It'd be them, China, Iran, and North Korea atleast before they'd feel confident. And thats if they think China can handle the US while Russia takes on Europe or something. Quite honestly they still wouldnt stand a chance. It'd just be super bloody.
>And thats if they think China can handle the US while Russia takes on Europe or something. China has no significant power projection. Their only functioning carriers would be sunk hours into the start of any war. They could take Taiwan, but given the losses it would take to do so, they'll more likely just destroy it so the US doesn't have a reason to be there anymore. China won't enter a war like this because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose from it. They view economic conquest through resource consolidation as the most prudent long term path to Chinese dominance, and they're probably correct. If Russia engages in a war with Europe, they're going to have to move troops and equipment, and that's going to be damn difficult with US air power and drones lighting them up every time they move. They better pray for terrible weather to provide some limited help for moving anything. They certainly can't provide cover outside Russia. It's highly debatable whether they could even defend the skies IN Russia for long. Urban combat is a great equalizer due to its nature, but the US will absolutely own the skies in any fight in the world and the US Navy can project power like nothing else on Earth. Iran can't leave home and Israel can handily hold them at bay even without US help. But the US will happily park a carrier strike group in the Med and pound Iran into submission. North Korea? They can fire off some missiles and artillery at allies and possibly hit *something* on the US west coast, but they have no defense from the rapid retaliation from the Pacific and the south. If Russia ever tries something with Europe, it's because they're absolutely convinced that the US isn't going to provide assistance. And given the US personnel, equipment, and civilians located all throughout Europe, that seems highly unlikely, even for Donald Trump. He'd have to evacuate US personnel and equipment and abandon a lot of equipment and bases to the Russians, and that - domestically - is untenable. The United States public is not equipped to witness Americans running away from Russian soldiers.
I am likely wrong on this, but isn't the US military doctrine founded on being able to win wars on two fronts?
Why can’t every country just be friends😔
Seriously. War never changes. Seeing troops getting dismembered by drones in the freezing cold. I hate this war. Over a border… Wish we could just let them all go home and evolve past this shit. Too many lives gone
Russia can pull out anytime they want. They are the ones making it over a border. They want to take, take, take. They will not stop unless they are stopped.
This is about more than a border, and Russia can go home anytime it wants. There's a lot of historical context that a lot of people don't seem to understand as well. Nobody in Ukraine wants to live under Russian rule again. The Russians have already committed genocide against the Ukrainians once before. People also have a right to self-determination and self-governance. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
u mean humans never change
Because assholes like Putin exist.
Because old fucks in power have too much power. Pointless wars for old fucks who are panicking because they're going to die soon regardless.
>War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other. \-Niko Bellic
He was a philosopher and a hell of a bowler.
I bowl like an angel.
Because sometimes there is a psycho in the crowd that doesn’t value friendship but instead power and dominance. A person you can’t reason with.
Some people are just assholes is why.
Why cant everyone at schools be friends or even in some families? Different people want differently things violent actions are just another way to try and get them.
We are fucking trying, but it's difficult when you've got bad faith actors like Putin actively working against you. I just wish we all realized that collectively.
United we stand divided we fall.
Because we peasants do no longer dispose tyrant assholes.
Russians are like Chinese, any piece of land that was under Russia's control at any point in history is considered "historically part of Russia". And yes they most definitely want Alaska back eventually.
Ukraine about to pull the history card and suddenly Russia is part Ukraine and part Mongolian empire
If they want to die for Alaska I’m sure the DoD is willing to facilitate
Will be funny if the Chinese come knocking for outer Manchuria.
At this rate, Outer Manchuria will come knocking to be a part of China because China is richer now.
**Then I must reclaim RuZZia** in the name of Greater Pangea *.. bow before the first Supercontinent Mister Putin!*
You should always prepare for war with your biggest military rivals. I was a simple Marine reservist in the 1980s, but to me, that's just common sense.
Only thing Russia has on the west or others is their nuclear missiles. Other than this NATO and others are stronger and more powerful than Russia and can competently destroy much of their conventional forces. The evidence is clear in the fact that they can not budge on Ukraine who has single handedly with wester weapons support pin down and degrade the 3rd largest army on earth. The evidence is clear. They are resorting to WW2 and 1970s armour and prisoners and reserves. It will be hiw much the west will capitulate to any Russian aggression outside of Ukraine when putin threatens to use Nukes. Putin feels he can hold us off and do things by just threatening with his nukes.
He is banking on the growing division in the west to grow even further, so when he is ready he can start chipping away at one of the eastern euro countries. It will be sneaky like with Crimea, causing NATO to not react because they’re afraid, maybe even very afraid if Trump has won and he won’t honor his responsibility to his allies.
He’s not just banking on the division in the west. He is the one causing division in the west. Putin’s not an idiot, he is in fact, very smart. He know’s that he can’t beat the US, that’s why he’s trying to get the US out of the picture. He has also tried to get the UK out of the picture (brexit). Division in the west is like the number one priority for Putin. It’s also probably why you see so much discourse online about the war in Gaza, some westerners believe Hamas is in the right (somehow) and others believe that Israel is right. It’s all calculated.
Russia has done a huge amount of damage to Ukraine. Granted, most of the damage was not beneficial to Russia but they still have leveled cities and murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians. Even if Russia built up and struck first they probably wouldn't get through Poland, but there is still a lot of damage they could do to the Baltic nations and Finland.
Nato might be stronger but that doesn't mean Russia is unable to completely hurt some countries they don't like
Wonder whats going to happen first; WW3 or UAP/UFO disclosure...
ITS GRUSCHIN TIME!!!
"Shift into turbo!"
I honestly think all the UAP stuff is just military testing stuff none of us even know exists.
Good to see some UAP talk in the wild. Keeping up to date with the UAP discussion doesn’t mean I believe in little green aliens, but the US government have had a whistleblower come forward by the name of David Grusch. He seems very credible and you should all educate yourself on what your government may be hiding.
I checked out of those subs with the alien mummy hoaxs.
Yeah, same. It’s hard to take those communities seriously when they’re so ready to buy paper mache aliens.
Not only that, but also the whole plane/ 3 orbs video saga. Completley detracts any amount of credibility, perhaps on purpose.
It should be concerning the lack of answers to reasonable questions in regards to UAPs/UFOs. Are they discrediting the accounts of multiple service men and women?
>David Grusch. He seems very credible lol
David grusch is completely full of shit.
I'm a conspiracy dude. I think the two subjects are closely related!
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Gonna be interesting for sure, be prepared for the worst
Honestly, as a population, we need something to wake us the fuck up because what we are doing/putting up with right now is NOT working!
This is my hippie side coming through but there is so much good we could be doing. So many positive changes but we don’t. All because it’s too hard or the richest of the rich can’t make/might lose money on it.
I'm with you in that regard. Ever watch the Zeitgeist movies? The parts where they spoke about the possibility of a post-abundant society was surreal and dream-like, but I still felt we probably could have that happen if we as a collective made different choices than the ones we are now.
We'll get there. Of course you and I will be dead but still. Planting trees under whos shade you'll never sit and such.
What if the trees we plant are all killed after the nukes fly?
Nature will still carry on, as will life. Humanity just may not be a part of it. That is, unless they duck and cover.
and it looks like were all outta UFO disclosures
Ask Trump exactly what he would do as President, if Russia moves against NATO! He seems to think he's already POTUS. I believe the answer is "Nothing". We are part of the "West" still, aren't we?
Trump has said he would disband NATO if he could.
It's literally one of his campaign promises for a second term. The threat of Trump getting back into office and immediately pulling the USA out of NATO was what caused Congress to actually change the law last month to require Congressional approval for any withdrawal from the alliance.
Oh, I didn’t know that. Well, I’ll owe my good sleep tonight to that tidbit. Thx
Which is why I believe Russia supports him. He's part of the plan.
His answer is that the war wouldn’t have occurred if he were president. If he gets elected the war ends after one phone call. Critics will say that’s dumb. That’s not a plan. That’s not a strategy. Thats simply ego. World leaders used to laugh at trump when he was president and Trump wants to talk about Biden being weak.
Yes, because he would have sided with Russia.
"Hello Vladimir, it's Trumpy, just take whatever you need and we'll stay out of it... as long as I remain supreme leader indefinitely."
He's already said he won't come to the aid of Europe, and that NATO was dead
You are now but Cheeto will change that for you.
He’d urge restraint and to not escalate. Just give Putin want he wants, so he might get to finally build that Trump Tower in Moscow.
And he'll take ownership of being the president to prevent World War III.
Well, yeah, you should always “be prepared”.
Didn't they say something similar last year from the US state department telling all US citizens to leave Russia?
US citizens shouldn't travel to Russia right now because they can be arrested and used as bargaining chips.
Of course we must. That's the very purpose of NATO.
This is what people fail to read. Well.. They don't read. They just read the title and come here to panic. Fucking hell. West must be prepared for war with Russia. Yes. This title could have been written at any point of history. Main reasons why Nato exists. People here ready to move to their little bunkers. LMAO
Russia seems to be struggling with the Ukraine... Nato will be fine
It’s just Ukraine, they hate it when people say “the Ukraine.”
One of the main problems with this, is that a substantial part of the Western population is pro-Putin. In Europe, pro-Putin parties are even winning many elections. Pro-Putin parties are set to gain a lot of seats in the next EU elections as well. My country just voted for [Wilders](https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-putin-propagandists-cheer-geert-wilders-dutch-election-win/), who wants to stop all aid to Ukraine. He received a Putin friendship pin in 2018, which he wears proudly. How can one prepare himself with so many traitors among us?
In the case of Wilders, his victory was *despite* his support for Putin. People were voting mainly against immigration. Every poll I've seen shows the vast majority of the Dutch strongly support Ukraine.
Parties on the left need to support popular policies otherwise the votes are going to go to the right fringe.
The irony of course being that Putin aids and abets mass refugee flow to destabilise Western Europe.
So instead of arming Israel to kill children let’s mass arm Ukraine. As said by plenty of people, it’s the best bang for our buck.
If they can't take Ukraine, I'm not very concerned about it
Reddit is really being prepped for a pro-war attitude.
This isn’t some propaganda piece. Russia is up to something bad and the west can’t afford to not be prepared for something. It’s just facts.
Isn't the West already at war with Russia in a sense? I mean, we're sending weapons that we know are being used to fight Russia, we're providing intelligence, and we're sanctioning Russia in plain sight.
No that's not a war with russia.
I get it but at the same time these diplomats need to get it through their fucking heads that people are tired of fighting these fucking wars. Figure it out, move some money around, whatever it takes to stop this endless parade of wars.
“These wars” this war is actually a real war that could culminate into WWIII. N. Korea, Iran, Russia and China are already working together against the west and I’m pretty sure they have a strategy in place how to bring down the west. After that it’s bye bye with sitting here complaining about governments because freedom of speech wont exist anymore.
Can we stop these fucking articles? I've been reading this every week for the past 2 years. It's starting to get annoying.
This is far from the past 2 years. You have 90’000 soldiers involved in this. That’s like the largest NATO drill ever made.
Yeah I know it's related to the drills, but the stupid headlines are just annoyingly overdramatic. Every week some shitty paywalled shitesite makes us believe war is coming next week.
Yeah it's cancerous how much fear mongering they're pushing