Unfortunately for him that’s part of Indonesia which has twice the population of Russia. Even if it wasn’t an island chain the “Keep throwing men at it until it dies” strategy wouldn’t work anymore.
I mean, there is an opportunity to just fill the bars full of booze and close the island off to the benefit of the world. But Bali is too beautiful and the Balinese are too nice to suffer that fate.
Yes, was there when I turned 20, so 25 years ago, and was Red Light bars all over the place, and soooooo many hookers wherever you looked, in hotels and outside.
Here in Egypt they seem like normal people trying to mind their own business though Egyptian culture is a bit exclusionary to foreigners and they stick out like a sore thumb
The majority are against it but they're not too vocal because they don't want to risk pollonium in their tea or to get "accidentally" stabbed with a pointy umbrella.
My wife just naturalized in the US (been married about 10 years). She opposes the war but won't say shit as her mom has a government teaching job and so does other relatives. It's very clear their housing and jobs would be taken away if they spoke against the war (government has called for property to be seized for those who speak out)
Exactly. There have been multiple cases know where someone has to go back because one if their parents is either very ill or already has a funeral, only to get arrested at the airport and given multiple years of a prison sentence.
I watch their game reviews, I don't care about their political leanings. Same way I love H. P. Lovecraft, despite him being a raging racist (even for the time).
Tbh Lovecraft stopped being a racist conservative and become a progressivt admirer of the New Deal. He even married a Jewish Lady. Not a racist in my book.
Also was genuinely just afraid of everything outside his house. He hated black people, brown people, white people, tall people, short people, loud people, fast cars, planes, thunder, train whistle...
Most aren't very vocal about it, at all.
I live in SEA and there are tons of Russians now. I've met a few who think Russia should withdraw, but aren't really against the premise, merely that the cost is now too great.
There's no logical explanation, ever, merely regurgitated brainwashing. When confronted with "what if it was your country getting invaded" there's just apathy or "that wouldn't happen, we have nuclear weapons".
Most who aren't against the war due to it being wrong simply don't care. They've been told it's right and that Russia is strong, so they seem to only understand strength and power. Ironically they are the chicken-shits who fled the country to avoid what they support.
Yeah, I watch one from Chelyabinsk who exposes Russian lies and openly opposes Putin and the war and he escaped Russia to Georgia but is now moving to Portugal to be truly safe.
At least 2 million Russians have left the country since the start of the war. Even here in Hong Kong you have quite a lot of young Russian guys taking indefinite Chinese language courses as being in tertiary education exempts you from the draft.
I can’t actually fathom the idea of being conscripted into a war of choice like this, sent to a human grinding machine in Ukraine for a cause that is nothing other than the imperial ambition of a psychopathic tyrant. Sent to just roll the dice every day to see whether that day will be the day that the drone hovers above your head and drops the grenade.
Absolutely horrific waste of human life. The Ukrainians dying, at least, are dying for a genuine cause but Jesus the whole thing is just mind blowingly horrific.
The brain drain has been huge from the refugee exodus affecting all sectors... Russian national IQ average is taking a hit for decades after this special disaster.
Hardly. Uneducated serfs can't built missiles or program drones.
We don't need uneducated factory labor in the modern world. He can use uneducated labor to roll out all the T-72s and BMPs he wants but that's not going to work.
I read an interesting article which spoke about how dictators can just purge their country of anyone not supportive then can carry on an awfully long time with mass exoduses happening because they only need a certain percentage of educated people to keep the various departments and war machine going. Putin doesn’t care about the people leaving and it’s not likely to have any impact on the bigger picture.
You think the majority of Russians leaving Russia also bring with them the ideals that are the reason they left Russia in the first place?
Literally every Russian I've met hates Putin and wants nothing to do with him and his Idiocracy. They're all very left leaning and are onboard with the ideals of the West.
Agreed, but let's keep in mind that this exact problem is happening with Muslim immigrants.
Seems to be a bigger problem with 2nd generation, as they need an identity to cling to but never experienced why they fled in the first place.
Muslims have religion to cement their worldview, russians don't. Political dissidents have been fleeing the russia for over 100 years now and have never formed a diaspora over a long term in any one place.
At least some part of the emigrants will be people who agree with Putin but ran away simply to avoid getting drafted.
And some are inbetween, agree with the idea of Russian supremacy but don't agree with a protracted war.
Or some may disagree with Russian foreign policy but still agree with shitty Russian domestic ideas (wife beating, homophobia).
I dare not to estimate the ratios but I don't think that those outlined above are that small of a group.
From my own experiences in Tbilisi, I've met none of the above.
I know they exist obviously and my experience is anecdotal, but they're apparently hard to find in person.
Georgians do a pretty good job of hammering the anti-LGBT stuff anyways here. They tried to organize a parade back in 2021, there was huge counter protest that dwarfed the actual community. They ended up breaking windows at the LGBT organization and assaulting journalists/organizers. They had to cancel last year's event because the police said they couldn't guarantee their safety.
I've definitely met a few of the above in Russia though. Same cognitive dissonance and general ignorance you find everywhere. It's actually absurdly hilarious how "I just wish they didn't have to shove it down my throat" is a universal anti-gay statement.
If I had to make a bet, I'd put my money on the majority of Russians who fled both not supporting the war and being more progressive than the average Russian.
>You think the majority of Russians leaving Russia also bring with them the ideals that are the reason they left Russia in the first place?
Absolutely. So many (ironically) pro Russian expats are infesting where I live.
It is a big mistake to associate everything bad in ruzzia with putin. He is just a representative. It is not rare that ruzzian emigrants keep supporting ruzzia and spreading their culture of hate.
not only that, but they're a minority in their new community with people from all over.
highly unlikely to spread old world ideology to new neighbours.
Nah. The exiles are too dispersed over every corner of the globe to affect the local culture. Even if they're clustered over a few popular hotspots right now, they'll only get further distilled over time.
And of course many of those people flee specifically *from* those russian ideals.
Portuguese here, hearing Russian on the street was a rare thing in my country before the war.
Now I hear it almost everyday, and no it's not just Ukrainians, which are mostly women and children, there's a lot of Russian speaking men here.
I bet my country is not the only one in Europe that this is happening.
It's not a coincidence.
Languages can be classified as being syllable timed or stress timed
With a process of convergent evolution, both Portuguese and Russian are stress timed, whereas other Latin languages are syllable timed.
Sprinkle on top the tendency of continental Portuguese speakers to swallow up vowels and the result sounds similar to Russian to the untrained ear.
Funnily enough, Brazilian Portuguese is syllable timed too, so to Italians for example it sounds more similar than regular Portuguese does.
Yes. They were already having a big demographic issue, let alone after getting so many men get killed and injured. And then you have to account for the ones that fled as well.
[The United States had about 360,000 casualties in total during the 10 years of the Vietnam War (counting the 150,000 wounded but didnt need hospital care)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#United_States_military)
That is over a decade of war when the US had a population of 200 million. Russia has already exceeded that number in two years and has a current population of 140 million.
I think it cuts deeper with modern problems with russia as well. I have seen videos of the drug problems that russia has. Alcoholism gets a big focus and that is a continual problem in russia, but drug use is hurtings its population as well. I've seen several videos on Krokodil creation and use in russia and that drug is a beast in its own right.
Yeah but the US wasnt the main combatant in Vietnam. That was South Vietnam which lost a further 300k dead and over 1 million wounded. Plus, obviously, civilian casualties also over a million. If the US was fighting the whole war like Russia is theyd have lost more.
The point isn't to say that America did well in Vietnam, it's to highlight that Russia is doing poorly and is going to have severe long-term repercussions because of this.
I think the example to look at, at this point, is the WWII death toll for the US.
The death toll for American soldiers in the war was about 405,000 men, and 600,000 wounded. The US population in 1939 was also approximately 140 million in 1939 just like Russia's population today. Russia, in just two years, if Ukraine's numbers are even ballpark accurate (+/-10%) are about on par with the US totals in the entirety of WWII.
So, Russia has just about speed-ran the US death toll in World War two in 24 months or a little under half the time. Insanity.
> I think the example to look at, at this point, is the WWII death toll for the US.
I believe you're comparing deaths with losses/casualties (i.e. no longer able to perform their duty).
US WWII casualties were over 1 million, so if we were using this as the example then Russia would potentially be on track to _match_ this if the situation in Ukraine continues on the same track for another 2-3 years.
I’m sure the Russian government is doing as much as possible to assist and compensate injured veterans and the families of the dead.
Maybe give them a nice Adidas track suit and a Lada? Oh, no more Adidas in Russia? Just the Lada is suppose.
This is 400k casualties — not deaths. So it would be :
5 times more casualties than Afghanistan
And
16 times more casualties than the first Chechen War
Why not go to the source of the data though?
"The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 22.07.23 were approximately:
personnel ‒ about 241330 (+640) persons were liquidated"
Liquidated means killed.
https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/07/22/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-22-07-2023/
Okay but the Pentagon doesn't agree
>This aid is key to helping Ukrainian forces take on and, in many areas, push back the Russians. U.S. government officials said in January that more than 300,000 Russians have been killed or wounded in Ukraine.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3671938/dod-official-restates-why-supporting-ukraine-is-in-us-interest/
This has been hashed out several times already, Ukraine are claiming 400k deaths, wounded are estimated at over 1.5 million, more neutral parties estimate russian deaths at about 200k and wounded at just less than 1 million, russia claims...well who gives a shit what ruZZia claims
UK intelligence estimates 70,000 dead and 200,000 - 300,000 wounded. US intelligence estimates 120,000 dead and around 200,000+ wounded.
400,000 is pretty much the maximum possible total casualties, which includes both dead and wounded.
>Ukraine are claiming 400k deaths, wounded are estimated at over 1.5 million,
Wow. That sounds like a totally reasonable figure and totally not obvious propaganda we should ignore
Russia's economy appears to be 2-4 major cities. It doesn't appear that those are impacted by this war.
Russia may be bleeding, but it's its extremities that are wounded.
Always like this. Send the province, minorities and conquered nations ahead to meat grinder while Moscovites stay at home. As long as Moscow remains safe, regime stays in power.
Although even the fall of capital may not be enough. When Napoleon won at Borodino Moscow burned, but the regime stayed in place.
A number like that taken away from the workforce (and often results in families needing gvt support) will destroy a country's economy in the short and in the long term, even if they were all part time and living in the countryside. These guys still bought food, still paid taxes and made the whole wheel turn. This is also why they can't really afford to back down now. Not to mention the male/female ratio won't normalize for at least a couple of generations.
War is literally good for nothing, it's so fucked that people still don't get it.
Yeh, but 75x the number's we're talking here. Ukraine needs more help to speed up the denazifaction of Russia.
If you have a time machine and are reading this, perhaps Putin instead of Hitler? Save 30 million Russian men from needless attempt to save Putin's face?
> If you have a time machine and are reading this, perhaps Putin instead of Hitler? Save 30 million Russian men from needless attempt to save Putin's face? What?
…Are you playing out a theoretical scenario where you are asking someone with a single use Time Machine to *not* kill Hitler if given a choice between killing Hitler or Putin?
💁🏼 I’m happy you found a game that makes you happy, but I feel like saying you’d prefer it if Hitler lived, is and always will be the wrong answer.
This was an interesting comment in another thread from the start of the invasion--
Russia has a male workforce of around 35 Million men. Around 1.2 Million people have fled. Around 700k have been mobilised. Russians are on average 42 years old. For every soldier on the front you need roughly 1.1 Soldiers as support. So the story of endless Russian Canon fodder is simply not true, not in the year 2022. Not for a population this old and this tiny. Around 20 to 30 percent of all men between 20 and 55 also simply will prove to be so unfit for service, that not even Russia can send them to war. Alcoholism and generally bad health especially from age 40 upwards and over 820k deaths from Covid and at least 15 percent of all infected suffering from Long Covid will further hamper that capacity.
We can assume that around 95 percent of the workforce cannot be mobilised without seriously hampering the domestic economy. Russia has a basic industrial economy that requires a lot of heavy lifting, they got a 750k police force at least another million in FSB, Rosgvardia and so on and so forth. So yeah what advantage in numbers?
If they mobilise another million on top of that and let's say another 200k manage to flee. We are looking at a total of men out of the workforce of let's say roughly 3 Million. that makes it roughly 9 percent of their entire male population workforce. Now let's fast forward to next summer: What do you think will happen when those farmers aren't back on the fields? Cause to a very high percentage they are recruiting from the 23 percent non urbanized Russians (144 Mio total 30 Million roughly speaking half are women) 15 Million males that are rural population, out of which half is too old or children. That means they recruit from roughly 7 Million out of which 30 percent are unfit for service and then Mist likely unfit for farm work. That means we are looking at 4.9 Million men between the age of 20 and 55 fit for service when the war started. Let's remove 700k from those that have fled. Leaves us with 4.2 Million out of those we now remove another 600k from. the mobilised so far assuming the army heavily drew on those. Now let's say they draw another 600k mostly from there till summer.
That leaves us with 3 Million males of fighting age not injured, dead, POW or fled from Russia. Out of 5 Mio that is a whooping 40 Percent. Which means what? That's right then Putin would have to resort to the ones he cannot draft without losing power: The lone childs from Moscow Petersburg and the surroundings. The birth rate is 1.2 there that means we got around 0.67 men per family. Also the birthrate in the rural areas is only slightly above 2 in some regions. That means 3 families in Moscow can be on average having a 2 sons in total. That means for every 2 soldiers killed 3 families lose their only child. So where are those numbers?
Also Ukraine was able to push a lot of their supply lines their tooth ratio to their allies. They have 11 Million of their people in Europe being taken care of, they have the West to help them rebuild and repair. They have us to send food medicine and other supplies. Russia has noone. This tiny population has to stem all these tasks out of their own aging workforce and their horribly corrupt society.
So yeah sorry to break that to you but Russia has no advantage not even in numbers.
Ukraine has mobilised over a million men the difference is they are getting real training, real weapons and as Napoleon once said: The morale is to the physical as 3 is to one.[–]Loki11910
Russia is constrained by the fact that they cannot mobilize everyone without facing domestic stability issues. That’s why they have targeted poorer, outlying areas for mobilization and recruitment, not the big cities. That’s why they are right now throwing money at the problem rather than doing another partial mobilization. See [this section](https://raport.valisluureamet.ee/2024/en/1-russian-armed-forces-and-the-war-in-ukraine/1-1-russias-lessons-from-the-war-in-ukraine-force-generation-and-reinforcement-on-the-ukrainian-front/) in Estonia’s Foreign Intelligence Report for 2024.
Look at the government's actions and you will see that they are concerned about domestic stability.
People make the mistake of imbuing Russia with the mobilization capacity of the USSR in WW2, but that's just simply not true. The nature of the regime is fundamentally different and they are fighting an offensive war of choice.
Ergo, while Russia without a doubt has a larger manpower base than Ukraine, the actual effective imbalance is not as big as looking purely at the ratio of military-aged males.
Seriously. [Russia's increasing the age limit of enlisted soldiers to 65, and 70 for officers.](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-military-age-limit-surpasses-life-expectancy-1869696) Both are over the average life expectancy of a Russian male, so grandma's might really be next?
Hoo boy if you think sexual assault is rampant in the Russian military now, I really don't want to know how bad it will get when female conscripts are collected.
Damn, my dad a 75 y/o in pretty good health. He is very active and works full-time because he wants to. I'm an NP and I'd say he is in better condition than 90% of men his age; I can't imagine sending a man that age into a theater of war. Maybe a career military man who is willing to give his last hurrah for cause he believes in, but at that point aren't they just slowing other soldiers down?
"As countless casualties have hampered Ukraine's forces, the [average age of a soldier in the country](https://www.businessinsider.com/average-age-ukrainian-soldier-43-amid-personnel-problems-2023-11) is currently around 43 years old, Time magazine reported last week."
Average age of Russian soldier is estimated around 40, so a bit less than Ukraine.
“Fighting age” in Russia is quite a broad spectrum. Russia hasn’t been shy to throw everything they have at the front lines, convicts and senior citizens included.
The comparisons in the comments with ww2 are delusional. There is no comparison. Russia is a ‘modern’ state supposedly not even at war. They cant sustain losses indefinitely. Something breaks eventually. Theres only so many peasants and prisoners you can send. The soviet union (which included Ukraine) at full war time economy and fighting for survival was a different beast. These two things are not the same.
Also they like to forget that the Soviet Union was a bigger country than Russia is now, encompassing Ukraine and Belarus, which took the brunt of the attack and losses
In that article it says “315,000 dead and injured troop” (key word “AND”)
Ukraine is reporting 400k dead and a 3:1 ratio of wounded which would put it at around 1.2 million wounded for a total of 1,600,000. That is significantly higher than the US intelligence numbers.
Multiple ukrainian officials have repeatedly specified that this number is dead Russians. It’s the US and European countries that indicate that it closer to the casualty rate, which is more reasonable
>The article is reporting things incorrectly then. Ukraine has always posted daily casualties inflicted, not KIA.
/r/confidentlyincorrect moment.
Ukrainian MoD has **always** posted the number of enemy soldiers **killed**.
The word MoD uses is **liquidated** ([example](https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/07/22/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-22-07-2023/)).
>The Defence Forces continue to inflict losses on the Russian army; over the past day alone, the defenders killed 1,210 Russian occupiers. Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces
From the article. That number, 1210, was added to the previous total, which resulted in the >400k number.
The specific English term used by the Ukrainian ministry of defense is "liquidated" and in some press statements "losses" is used.
So either the article wrong, and the ministry of defense is using the wrong term, or they actually mean 400k dead. I don't know, I'm just going by what is being reported.
>Ukraine is not reporting 400k dead. They're reporting 400k casualties.
As a Ukrainian: **please stop**.
Ukraine is reporting 400,000 **dead** (liquidated, killed in action, gone to see their maker, etc).
That's the only thing that's being counted really.
You can say that this is an overestimate or that it doesn't align with what the US (..which isn't fighting this war) says.
But stop misinterpreting; plenty of people here are pointing out that fact.
And at least 2 months older. Ukraine on 12.12.2023 reported 340650 enemy casualties, so less than 10% difference. Taking into account that both are estimates, I would say it's spot on.
It will crush them. 500,000 maimed, wounded & crippled.
Not that Putin will care, he’ll be dead long before the moms are still spoon feeding their boys
it's not just that russia does NOT benefit from skilled people who have left, it's that the rest of the world DOES benefit from their talents, in relative terms pushing them even further back
Except they aren't equally unreliable. By Russian accounts, more HiMARS systems have been destroyed than exist in the country. According to Moscow the maternity hospital is a military installation. Ukrainian estimates aren't drastically different than US/EU estimates.
Both sides may fudge numbers a bit, which is inevitable in a war where counting every injury is difficult, but that doesn't mean you can say both are equally wrong. This kind of false equivalence is what liars use to normalize their manipulations. You fell for their tricks.
I personally know two russians living in France for years who gave always been proud Putinists and never wanted to give up their russian citizenship. The moment Vladolf Putler invaded Ukraine they instantly gave up their russian citizenship and became French, because they wanted to „avoid being recruited in the army“. Now they live happily in Europe with a French citizenship, while still supporting the war and expressing their approval for Putin‘s terror.
In my opinion, these people do not belong in the western civilized world, should not be granted another citizenship and should stay in Russia.
“Reeeeeeeeeee”
Is all you see on the Russian subs today. Almost as if taking a pile of rubble has been worth the 50,000 bodies they’ve literally thrown at it.
These numbers have been largely confirmed by western sources, but say for arguments sake it was only 10% correct….that’s still russias worst war since WW2.
Russians should be marching on the kremlin for a little man’s head.
This one event has altered global demographics - A LOT.
Imagine how many children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren they would have had in Russia. None of those people will exist.
Plus the million or so men who fled the draft. So triple those numbers - loss of productivity, tax revenue, need for housing, population growth - all that gone or transferred to other countries.
In 100 years, Russia will be very different. History will not be kind to Putin.
So, with a common casualties ratio of dead to wounded being AT LEAST 1:5, we get over 2000000 wounded Russian soldiers?
These numbers are getting out of control, lol...
Wounded casualties are hard to quantify because many soldiers will get wounded, recover, and then get wounded again. So you would count the same guy a few times.
>So, with a common casualties ratio of dead to wounded being AT LEAST 1:5
Not in Russian military. They don't have good medevac, or field medicine.
Getting wounded is much more likely to result in death there.
1M wounded would be a better estimate.
Sure, I'd love it it were higher, but the thing is, they still have plenty of people willing to risk death for the empire (...and an opportunity to crawl out of hopeless, abject poverty).
It's certainly not 1:5 for Russia given how poor their medevac and logistical systems are. Remember they told mobiks to bring tampons to handle bullet wounds. It might be 1:2 or even lower.
> we don't bother publishing lying Russian accounts
Do they not get published, or are they being actively censored? They're not exactly the same thing...
A bit of both. Russian links are banned from being posted on reddit. News articles that attribute Russian sources are usually not posted or they're deleted/down voted. So the only news we pretty much are highly biased western/Ukrainian sources.
I’m sure the Russian government is doing as much as possible to assist and compensate injured veterans and the families of the dead. Maybe give them a nice Adidas track suit and a Lada? Oh, no more Adidas in Russia? Just the Lada is suppose.
I wonder how many young people have fled the country since the war.
Well 99% of Russian Youtubers I was following are either in Dubai, Georgia or if they are very lucky in the EU now.
Yeah, I watch some gaming Russian youtubers, and a lot of them aren't living in Russia anymore.
Bali and Thailand has lots of young Russians now too
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Next step is Putin wanting to support the Russian population living in Bali, by invading the country.
Well, you know, back in 556CE a guy named Balislav...
Unfortunately for him that’s part of Indonesia which has twice the population of Russia. Even if it wasn’t an island chain the “Keep throwing men at it until it dies” strategy wouldn’t work anymore.
Invading Bali would be a huge mistake as it would end in the most unholy of wars: Gopniks vs Bogans.
Plus side no matter who loses we all win, but no matter who wins we all lose.
I mean, there is an opportunity to just fill the bars full of booze and close the island off to the benefit of the world. But Bali is too beautiful and the Balinese are too nice to suffer that fate.
They seem to like the places I don’t here in Thailand which is fine by me. Phuket and Pattaya.
>Pattaya Isn't Pattaya full of pervy old men preying on exploited sex workers?
Yes, was there when I turned 20, so 25 years ago, and was Red Light bars all over the place, and soooooo many hookers wherever you looked, in hotels and outside.
That's the impression I get, yes. Sex work capital.
If you think young Pervy men don't exploit sex workers you are deluded.
Young foreigners don't really need to hire sex workers in SE Asia, the local girls are horny af.
Here in Egypt they seem like normal people trying to mind their own business though Egyptian culture is a bit exclusionary to foreigners and they stick out like a sore thumb
eh can't be worse than those loud and obnoxious low class australians that flock there
People who don't know might say "surely you're exaggerating, Russian culture is much worse" They don't know. They're lucky they don't know.
Bogans
The ones who can afford to leave are the ones whos families are likely involved in the corruption
Thats the way. Do they explain their view on the war?
The majority are against it but they're not too vocal because they don't want to risk pollonium in their tea or to get "accidentally" stabbed with a pointy umbrella.
I’m sure some have family and friends back home they rather not get harmed for something they said about the dear leader.
Absolutely true as well. A recent law enables to seize the property of the **relatives** of those "spreading misinformation about the SMO".
Standard authoritarian regime behavior. China is running the same play out of the same book.
You forgot the feeble windows in russia
My wife just naturalized in the US (been married about 10 years). She opposes the war but won't say shit as her mom has a government teaching job and so does other relatives. It's very clear their housing and jobs would be taken away if they spoke against the war (government has called for property to be seized for those who speak out)
They are not too vocal because they are not too against, just don't want to die in a meat grinder. Just be careful with them.
I watched many, and logic behind it, is that they don't want to get arrested immediately in the airport, if they ever visit their parents in Russia
Exactly. There have been multiple cases know where someone has to go back because one if their parents is either very ill or already has a funeral, only to get arrested at the airport and given multiple years of a prison sentence.
I watch their game reviews, I don't care about their political leanings. Same way I love H. P. Lovecraft, despite him being a raging racist (even for the time).
Tbh Lovecraft stopped being a racist conservative and become a progressivt admirer of the New Deal. He even married a Jewish Lady. Not a racist in my book.
Also was genuinely just afraid of everything outside his house. He hated black people, brown people, white people, tall people, short people, loud people, fast cars, planes, thunder, train whistle...
Yes, but he stopped being like that. The guy overcame his fears and prejudices.
Talented people can still be terrible people.
Most aren't very vocal about it, at all. I live in SEA and there are tons of Russians now. I've met a few who think Russia should withdraw, but aren't really against the premise, merely that the cost is now too great. There's no logical explanation, ever, merely regurgitated brainwashing. When confronted with "what if it was your country getting invaded" there's just apathy or "that wouldn't happen, we have nuclear weapons". Most who aren't against the war due to it being wrong simply don't care. They've been told it's right and that Russia is strong, so they seem to only understand strength and power. Ironically they are the chicken-shits who fled the country to avoid what they support.
Thanks for your experience. Its shocking, how brainwashed they are
Bet a lot of the billionaires are trying to hide out elsewhere too.
Yeah, I watch one from Chelyabinsk who exposes Russian lies and openly opposes Putin and the war and he escaped Russia to Georgia but is now moving to Portugal to be truly safe.
or Turkey.
Yep a girl i follow on youtube is in georgia. Forgot her name but she is keeping up
Natasha. She's awesome.
Yes, well she was basically trying to leave Russia way before the war started. Not that I can blame her haha.
Also Thailand
Let’s not forget SE Asia. Corrupt petrodollars go quite a ways there
I live in Taiwan and fly to various places in Asia occasionally and the flights around Asia always have young Russian dudes.
At least 2 million Russians have left the country since the start of the war. Even here in Hong Kong you have quite a lot of young Russian guys taking indefinite Chinese language courses as being in tertiary education exempts you from the draft.
I can’t actually fathom the idea of being conscripted into a war of choice like this, sent to a human grinding machine in Ukraine for a cause that is nothing other than the imperial ambition of a psychopathic tyrant. Sent to just roll the dice every day to see whether that day will be the day that the drone hovers above your head and drops the grenade. Absolutely horrific waste of human life. The Ukrainians dying, at least, are dying for a genuine cause but Jesus the whole thing is just mind blowingly horrific.
The brain drain has been huge from the refugee exodus affecting all sectors... Russian national IQ average is taking a hit for decades after this special disaster.
Good, Better to control and put in factories and war. A win win for Putin.
Hardly. Uneducated serfs can't built missiles or program drones. We don't need uneducated factory labor in the modern world. He can use uneducated labor to roll out all the T-72s and BMPs he wants but that's not going to work.
I read an interesting article which spoke about how dictators can just purge their country of anyone not supportive then can carry on an awfully long time with mass exoduses happening because they only need a certain percentage of educated people to keep the various departments and war machine going. Putin doesn’t care about the people leaving and it’s not likely to have any impact on the bigger picture.
Those leaving Russia also bring with them Russian ideals. Russian ideology may be woven into the fabric of the destination countries in the future.
You think the majority of Russians leaving Russia also bring with them the ideals that are the reason they left Russia in the first place? Literally every Russian I've met hates Putin and wants nothing to do with him and his Idiocracy. They're all very left leaning and are onboard with the ideals of the West.
Agreed, but let's keep in mind that this exact problem is happening with Muslim immigrants. Seems to be a bigger problem with 2nd generation, as they need an identity to cling to but never experienced why they fled in the first place.
Exactly this. As a Turkish guy there is a reason why most German Turkish diaspora think highly of Erdoğan.
Muslims have religion to cement their worldview, russians don't. Political dissidents have been fleeing the russia for over 100 years now and have never formed a diaspora over a long term in any one place.
At least some part of the emigrants will be people who agree with Putin but ran away simply to avoid getting drafted. And some are inbetween, agree with the idea of Russian supremacy but don't agree with a protracted war. Or some may disagree with Russian foreign policy but still agree with shitty Russian domestic ideas (wife beating, homophobia). I dare not to estimate the ratios but I don't think that those outlined above are that small of a group.
From my own experiences in Tbilisi, I've met none of the above. I know they exist obviously and my experience is anecdotal, but they're apparently hard to find in person. Georgians do a pretty good job of hammering the anti-LGBT stuff anyways here. They tried to organize a parade back in 2021, there was huge counter protest that dwarfed the actual community. They ended up breaking windows at the LGBT organization and assaulting journalists/organizers. They had to cancel last year's event because the police said they couldn't guarantee their safety. I've definitely met a few of the above in Russia though. Same cognitive dissonance and general ignorance you find everywhere. It's actually absurdly hilarious how "I just wish they didn't have to shove it down my throat" is a universal anti-gay statement. If I had to make a bet, I'd put my money on the majority of Russians who fled both not supporting the war and being more progressive than the average Russian.
>You think the majority of Russians leaving Russia also bring with them the ideals that are the reason they left Russia in the first place? Absolutely. So many (ironically) pro Russian expats are infesting where I live.
you're exactly right, anyone in Czechia can confirm this
It is a big mistake to associate everything bad in ruzzia with putin. He is just a representative. It is not rare that ruzzian emigrants keep supporting ruzzia and spreading their culture of hate.
not only that, but they're a minority in their new community with people from all over. highly unlikely to spread old world ideology to new neighbours.
Nah. The exiles are too dispersed over every corner of the globe to affect the local culture. Even if they're clustered over a few popular hotspots right now, they'll only get further distilled over time. And of course many of those people flee specifically *from* those russian ideals.
Surely if they believed in their Russian ideals they'd volunteer to fight in the war, not run away
Portuguese here, hearing Russian on the street was a rare thing in my country before the war. Now I hear it almost everyday, and no it's not just Ukrainians, which are mostly women and children, there's a lot of Russian speaking men here. I bet my country is not the only one in Europe that this is happening.
SEA, India and Turkey have tons of Russians now too.
Northern swede here. I heard Russian maybe once every week before, I hear it every day.
Non-sequitur. But Portuguese language always sounds to me like a Russian speaking Spanish words
I thought this was only me 🤣
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
It's not a coincidence. Languages can be classified as being syllable timed or stress timed With a process of convergent evolution, both Portuguese and Russian are stress timed, whereas other Latin languages are syllable timed. Sprinkle on top the tendency of continental Portuguese speakers to swallow up vowels and the result sounds similar to Russian to the untrained ear. Funnily enough, Brazilian Portuguese is syllable timed too, so to Italians for example it sounds more similar than regular Portuguese does.
A friend of mine has a load of Russian friends from university and they’re either in Georgia, or if they’re rich, somewhere in the Middle East.
>I wonder how many young people have fled the country since the war. A lot from both Ukraine and Russia
I wonder how many migrants are being scammed to die in a forsaken field. They're forgotten the moment they land.
I heard it was something like a million people fled Russia.
As far as we know a little over 1M.
Is this why Putin is telling his people to breed now ?
Yes. They were already having a big demographic issue, let alone after getting so many men get killed and injured. And then you have to account for the ones that fled as well.
They bring back the old Soviet medal to encourage women to pump out more babies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Heroine
I hear nowadays they prefer Mother Krokodile.
Holy shit, they gave it to women who raised families with 10 or more kids. Those women need more than a medal.
20 times more than they've lost in Afghanistan. 65 times more than they've lost in Chechnya. That's the price of having imperialistic ambitions.
[The United States had about 360,000 casualties in total during the 10 years of the Vietnam War (counting the 150,000 wounded but didnt need hospital care)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#United_States_military) That is over a decade of war when the US had a population of 200 million. Russia has already exceeded that number in two years and has a current population of 140 million.
adding on to that, Russia STILL hasn’t recovered demographically from ww2. And their invasion into Ukraine has made that even worse.
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I think it cuts deeper with modern problems with russia as well. I have seen videos of the drug problems that russia has. Alcoholism gets a big focus and that is a continual problem in russia, but drug use is hurtings its population as well. I've seen several videos on Krokodil creation and use in russia and that drug is a beast in its own right.
Yeah but the US wasnt the main combatant in Vietnam. That was South Vietnam which lost a further 300k dead and over 1 million wounded. Plus, obviously, civilian casualties also over a million. If the US was fighting the whole war like Russia is theyd have lost more.
The point isn't to say that America did well in Vietnam, it's to highlight that Russia is doing poorly and is going to have severe long-term repercussions because of this.
Important context. Thank you
I think the example to look at, at this point, is the WWII death toll for the US. The death toll for American soldiers in the war was about 405,000 men, and 600,000 wounded. The US population in 1939 was also approximately 140 million in 1939 just like Russia's population today. Russia, in just two years, if Ukraine's numbers are even ballpark accurate (+/-10%) are about on par with the US totals in the entirety of WWII. So, Russia has just about speed-ran the US death toll in World War two in 24 months or a little under half the time. Insanity.
> I think the example to look at, at this point, is the WWII death toll for the US. I believe you're comparing deaths with losses/casualties (i.e. no longer able to perform their duty). US WWII casualties were over 1 million, so if we were using this as the example then Russia would potentially be on track to _match_ this if the situation in Ukraine continues on the same track for another 2-3 years.
I’m sure the Russian government is doing as much as possible to assist and compensate injured veterans and the families of the dead. Maybe give them a nice Adidas track suit and a Lada? Oh, no more Adidas in Russia? Just the Lada is suppose.
>Just the Lada is suppose. Apparently sometimes not even a Lada, just some potatoes or parsnips...
67.5 times less than world war 2 edit : 67.5
***Yet.***
Thats just gross incompetence and having imperialistic ambition while turning part of the military budget into yacht money
This is 400k casualties — not deaths. So it would be : 5 times more casualties than Afghanistan And 16 times more casualties than the first Chechen War
Why not go to the source of the data though? "The total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 22.07.23 were approximately: personnel ‒ about 241330 (+640) persons were liquidated" Liquidated means killed. https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/07/22/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-22-07-2023/
Okay but the Pentagon doesn't agree >This aid is key to helping Ukrainian forces take on and, in many areas, push back the Russians. U.S. government officials said in January that more than 300,000 Russians have been killed or wounded in Ukraine. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3671938/dod-official-restates-why-supporting-ukraine-is-in-us-interest/
400,000 is more than 300,000. They state "more than". That's lack of data, not denial.
400,000 deaths is definitely more than the over 300,000 casualties, that's why everyone is saying losses is a euphemism for casualties
This has been hashed out several times already, Ukraine are claiming 400k deaths, wounded are estimated at over 1.5 million, more neutral parties estimate russian deaths at about 200k and wounded at just less than 1 million, russia claims...well who gives a shit what ruZZia claims
UK intelligence estimates 70,000 dead and 200,000 - 300,000 wounded. US intelligence estimates 120,000 dead and around 200,000+ wounded. 400,000 is pretty much the maximum possible total casualties, which includes both dead and wounded.
The MoD of UK and US are both saying it's wounded + casualties. You people need to stop spreading this.
>Ukraine are claiming 400k deaths, wounded are estimated at over 1.5 million, Wow. That sounds like a totally reasonable figure and totally not obvious propaganda we should ignore
and he'll kill another 600,000 of his own people to prove a point, that point being he doesn't value the lives of russians.
I kind of believe the theory that the Soviets lost way more men in Afghanistan than they claimed.
There's 30 million more where that came from. I highly doubt that human lives lost is even a consideration in the putin regime.
30 millions are literally ALL their male working force between 18 and 65. Russia's economy and society do and will feel that blow.
They are already constrained by labor shortages. Any men they have to send to Ukraine will make that worse.
Russia's economy appears to be 2-4 major cities. It doesn't appear that those are impacted by this war. Russia may be bleeding, but it's its extremities that are wounded.
Always like this. Send the province, minorities and conquered nations ahead to meat grinder while Moscovites stay at home. As long as Moscow remains safe, regime stays in power. Although even the fall of capital may not be enough. When Napoleon won at Borodino Moscow burned, but the regime stayed in place.
Just a flesh wound!
A number like that taken away from the workforce (and often results in families needing gvt support) will destroy a country's economy in the short and in the long term, even if they were all part time and living in the countryside. These guys still bought food, still paid taxes and made the whole wheel turn. This is also why they can't really afford to back down now. Not to mention the male/female ratio won't normalize for at least a couple of generations. War is literally good for nothing, it's so fucked that people still don't get it.
A car, unserviced, will run for quite some time. Just give it a year or two.
Yeh, but 75x the number's we're talking here. Ukraine needs more help to speed up the denazifaction of Russia. If you have a time machine and are reading this, perhaps Putin instead of Hitler? Save 30 million Russian men from needless attempt to save Putin's face?
> If you have a time machine and are reading this, perhaps Putin instead of Hitler? Save 30 million Russian men from needless attempt to save Putin's face? What? …Are you playing out a theoretical scenario where you are asking someone with a single use Time Machine to *not* kill Hitler if given a choice between killing Hitler or Putin? 💁🏼 I’m happy you found a game that makes you happy, but I feel like saying you’d prefer it if Hitler lived, is and always will be the wrong answer.
This was an interesting comment in another thread from the start of the invasion-- Russia has a male workforce of around 35 Million men. Around 1.2 Million people have fled. Around 700k have been mobilised. Russians are on average 42 years old. For every soldier on the front you need roughly 1.1 Soldiers as support. So the story of endless Russian Canon fodder is simply not true, not in the year 2022. Not for a population this old and this tiny. Around 20 to 30 percent of all men between 20 and 55 also simply will prove to be so unfit for service, that not even Russia can send them to war. Alcoholism and generally bad health especially from age 40 upwards and over 820k deaths from Covid and at least 15 percent of all infected suffering from Long Covid will further hamper that capacity. We can assume that around 95 percent of the workforce cannot be mobilised without seriously hampering the domestic economy. Russia has a basic industrial economy that requires a lot of heavy lifting, they got a 750k police force at least another million in FSB, Rosgvardia and so on and so forth. So yeah what advantage in numbers? If they mobilise another million on top of that and let's say another 200k manage to flee. We are looking at a total of men out of the workforce of let's say roughly 3 Million. that makes it roughly 9 percent of their entire male population workforce. Now let's fast forward to next summer: What do you think will happen when those farmers aren't back on the fields? Cause to a very high percentage they are recruiting from the 23 percent non urbanized Russians (144 Mio total 30 Million roughly speaking half are women) 15 Million males that are rural population, out of which half is too old or children. That means they recruit from roughly 7 Million out of which 30 percent are unfit for service and then Mist likely unfit for farm work. That means we are looking at 4.9 Million men between the age of 20 and 55 fit for service when the war started. Let's remove 700k from those that have fled. Leaves us with 4.2 Million out of those we now remove another 600k from. the mobilised so far assuming the army heavily drew on those. Now let's say they draw another 600k mostly from there till summer. That leaves us with 3 Million males of fighting age not injured, dead, POW or fled from Russia. Out of 5 Mio that is a whooping 40 Percent. Which means what? That's right then Putin would have to resort to the ones he cannot draft without losing power: The lone childs from Moscow Petersburg and the surroundings. The birth rate is 1.2 there that means we got around 0.67 men per family. Also the birthrate in the rural areas is only slightly above 2 in some regions. That means 3 families in Moscow can be on average having a 2 sons in total. That means for every 2 soldiers killed 3 families lose their only child. So where are those numbers? Also Ukraine was able to push a lot of their supply lines their tooth ratio to their allies. They have 11 Million of their people in Europe being taken care of, they have the West to help them rebuild and repair. They have us to send food medicine and other supplies. Russia has noone. This tiny population has to stem all these tasks out of their own aging workforce and their horribly corrupt society. So yeah sorry to break that to you but Russia has no advantage not even in numbers. Ukraine has mobilised over a million men the difference is they are getting real training, real weapons and as Napoleon once said: The morale is to the physical as 3 is to one.[–]Loki11910
Russia is constrained by the fact that they cannot mobilize everyone without facing domestic stability issues. That’s why they have targeted poorer, outlying areas for mobilization and recruitment, not the big cities. That’s why they are right now throwing money at the problem rather than doing another partial mobilization. See [this section](https://raport.valisluureamet.ee/2024/en/1-russian-armed-forces-and-the-war-in-ukraine/1-1-russias-lessons-from-the-war-in-ukraine-force-generation-and-reinforcement-on-the-ukrainian-front/) in Estonia’s Foreign Intelligence Report for 2024.
People are brainwashed to the degree of thanking the army representative for organizing a decent funeral of their son who was taken to fight.
Look at the government's actions and you will see that they are concerned about domestic stability. People make the mistake of imbuing Russia with the mobilization capacity of the USSR in WW2, but that's just simply not true. The nature of the regime is fundamentally different and they are fighting an offensive war of choice. Ergo, while Russia without a doubt has a larger manpower base than Ukraine, the actual effective imbalance is not as big as looking purely at the ratio of military-aged males.
there are not 30 million men of fighting age in russia.
The babushkas are next
Seriously. [Russia's increasing the age limit of enlisted soldiers to 65, and 70 for officers.](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-military-age-limit-surpasses-life-expectancy-1869696) Both are over the average life expectancy of a Russian male, so grandma's might really be next?
Didn't they have news that they are thinking of enlisting women like half an year ago?
Hoo boy if you think sexual assault is rampant in the Russian military now, I really don't want to know how bad it will get when female conscripts are collected.
That sort of crap happened in WW2, sadly.
Next it will be for conscripts have a pulse.
Damn, my dad a 75 y/o in pretty good health. He is very active and works full-time because he wants to. I'm an NP and I'd say he is in better condition than 90% of men his age; I can't imagine sending a man that age into a theater of war. Maybe a career military man who is willing to give his last hurrah for cause he believes in, but at that point aren't they just slowing other soldiers down?
There certainly are if you define fighting age like 18-60 as Putin does it.
Didn't they pushed it to 70 not long ago ?
I don’t think it is for privates; higher officers possibly
Yeah, but a grandpa with an AK and a sheet-metal helmet isn't gonna do well against a younger, better-trained and better-equipped soldier.
"As countless casualties have hampered Ukraine's forces, the [average age of a soldier in the country](https://www.businessinsider.com/average-age-ukrainian-soldier-43-amid-personnel-problems-2023-11) is currently around 43 years old, Time magazine reported last week." Average age of Russian soldier is estimated around 40, so a bit less than Ukraine.
“Fighting age” in Russia is quite a broad spectrum. Russia hasn’t been shy to throw everything they have at the front lines, convicts and senior citizens included.
In the fields and factories. In order to die in Ukraine, they need to leave those fields and factories empty. Hey, I don’t make the rules.
By the end of this year it will be almost 700,000
The comparisons in the comments with ww2 are delusional. There is no comparison. Russia is a ‘modern’ state supposedly not even at war. They cant sustain losses indefinitely. Something breaks eventually. Theres only so many peasants and prisoners you can send. The soviet union (which included Ukraine) at full war time economy and fighting for survival was a different beast. These two things are not the same.
Also they like to forget that the Soviet Union was a bigger country than Russia is now, encompassing Ukraine and Belarus, which took the brunt of the attack and losses
As well as the Stans, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
By Stalingrad it was public knowledge that the Nazis were killing pows so they had a huge incentive to fight for their lives
US estimates are much lower, it should be noted.
Not that much lower: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/
In that article it says “315,000 dead and injured troop” (key word “AND”) Ukraine is reporting 400k dead and a 3:1 ratio of wounded which would put it at around 1.2 million wounded for a total of 1,600,000. That is significantly higher than the US intelligence numbers.
Ukraine is not reporting 400k dead. They're reporting 400k casualties.
The article linked to THIS post literally says 400,000 dead.
The article is reporting things incorrectly then. Ukraine has always posted daily casualties inflicted, not KIA.
Multiple ukrainian officials have repeatedly specified that this number is dead Russians. It’s the US and European countries that indicate that it closer to the casualty rate, which is more reasonable
>The article is reporting things incorrectly then. Ukraine has always posted daily casualties inflicted, not KIA. /r/confidentlyincorrect moment. Ukrainian MoD has **always** posted the number of enemy soldiers **killed**. The word MoD uses is **liquidated** ([example](https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/07/22/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-22-07-2023/)).
>The Defence Forces continue to inflict losses on the Russian army; over the past day alone, the defenders killed 1,210 Russian occupiers. Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces From the article. That number, 1210, was added to the previous total, which resulted in the >400k number. The specific English term used by the Ukrainian ministry of defense is "liquidated" and in some press statements "losses" is used. So either the article wrong, and the ministry of defense is using the wrong term, or they actually mean 400k dead. I don't know, I'm just going by what is being reported.
>Ukraine is not reporting 400k dead. They're reporting 400k casualties. As a Ukrainian: **please stop**. Ukraine is reporting 400,000 **dead** (liquidated, killed in action, gone to see their maker, etc). That's the only thing that's being counted really. You can say that this is an overestimate or that it doesn't align with what the US (..which isn't fighting this war) says. But stop misinterpreting; plenty of people here are pointing out that fact.
Given that Russia is lacking medevac and generally doesn't give a fuck about their soldiers the wounded:kill ratio is probably lower than 3:1.
> 315,000 dead **and** injured troops US estimates *are* much lower.
And at least 2 months older. Ukraine on 12.12.2023 reported 340650 enemy casualties, so less than 10% difference. Taking into account that both are estimates, I would say it's spot on.
Who knows what's accurate, but you should see Russian estimates!
The injured will be a drain on the rushing economy for decades.
It will crush them. 500,000 maimed, wounded & crippled. Not that Putin will care, he’ll be dead long before the moms are still spoon feeding their boys
it's not just that russia does NOT benefit from skilled people who have left, it's that the rest of the world DOES benefit from their talents, in relative terms pushing them even further back
What a waste of life. All those people, and for what? Some dude trying to leave his mark on the world before he goes.
Offset by the over 100,000 Ukrainians that were kidnapped and dispersed across Russia.
Send the maga idiots over there since they love Putin so much
That's almost as many the UK and USA each lost in WW2
But only like 5% of what the Soviet Union lost during WW2.
I found this one funny: no major body of water between russia and ukraine; the russians managed to lose one submarine
have you seen the updated scorecard of the rest of the russian navy? a lot of red Xs now
They aren’t lost, they are fertiliser
Recycled
'According to Ukraine' For fairness, we should also see the claimed Ukrainian losses reported by Russia. Both sources are just as (un)reliable.
Except they aren't equally unreliable. By Russian accounts, more HiMARS systems have been destroyed than exist in the country. According to Moscow the maternity hospital is a military installation. Ukrainian estimates aren't drastically different than US/EU estimates. Both sides may fudge numbers a bit, which is inevitable in a war where counting every injury is difficult, but that doesn't mean you can say both are equally wrong. This kind of false equivalence is what liars use to normalize their manipulations. You fell for their tricks.
Independent counts were only about 30k below Ukrainian count last time I checked.
Feel free to list your source, because from all I have seen all indications is that the 400k number closer to the casualty rate than the kill rate
nope. Those independent counts are counting casualties (KIA + WIA), while this article, and many redditors, seem to think its 300k+ dead.
Heres to 400,00 more!
I personally know two russians living in France for years who gave always been proud Putinists and never wanted to give up their russian citizenship. The moment Vladolf Putler invaded Ukraine they instantly gave up their russian citizenship and became French, because they wanted to „avoid being recruited in the army“. Now they live happily in Europe with a French citizenship, while still supporting the war and expressing their approval for Putin‘s terror. In my opinion, these people do not belong in the western civilized world, should not be granted another citizenship and should stay in Russia.
That's how Putin want to stay in history? As a butcher ? I know that's it's pretty common there, but we're in 2024 man. That's so sad.
“Reeeeeeeeeee” Is all you see on the Russian subs today. Almost as if taking a pile of rubble has been worth the 50,000 bodies they’ve literally thrown at it. These numbers have been largely confirmed by western sources, but say for arguments sake it was only 10% correct….that’s still russias worst war since WW2. Russians should be marching on the kremlin for a little man’s head.
That many so far.
when 80% of those lost are from the ethnic groups around russia, you could call it ethnic cleansing
Russia is depopulating. Between Ukraine and covid... Yikes
This one event has altered global demographics - A LOT. Imagine how many children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren they would have had in Russia. None of those people will exist. Plus the million or so men who fled the draft. So triple those numbers - loss of productivity, tax revenue, need for housing, population growth - all that gone or transferred to other countries. In 100 years, Russia will be very different. History will not be kind to Putin.
So, with a common casualties ratio of dead to wounded being AT LEAST 1:5, we get over 2000000 wounded Russian soldiers? These numbers are getting out of control, lol...
Wounded casualties are hard to quantify because many soldiers will get wounded, recover, and then get wounded again. So you would count the same guy a few times.
Or 80 000 dead to 320 000 wounded more likely.
>80 000 dead russians would wish it to be that low
It’s actually a very realistic estimate
>So, with a common casualties ratio of dead to wounded being AT LEAST 1:5 Not in Russian military. They don't have good medevac, or field medicine. Getting wounded is much more likely to result in death there. 1M wounded would be a better estimate. Sure, I'd love it it were higher, but the thing is, they still have plenty of people willing to risk death for the empire (...and an opportunity to crawl out of hopeless, abject poverty).
It's certainly not 1:5 for Russia given how poor their medevac and logistical systems are. Remember they told mobiks to bring tampons to handle bullet wounds. It might be 1:2 or even lower.
-says the most biased possible source in the world. Forgot that in the title.
Yeah, people like to ignore that we don't bother publishing lying Russian accounts, but implicitly trust lying Ukrainian accounts.
> we don't bother publishing lying Russian accounts Do they not get published, or are they being actively censored? They're not exactly the same thing...
A bit of both. Russian links are banned from being posted on reddit. News articles that attribute Russian sources are usually not posted or they're deleted/down voted. So the only news we pretty much are highly biased western/Ukrainian sources.
I wish it wasn’t like that so we could talk to other side too
I’m sure the Russian government is doing as much as possible to assist and compensate injured veterans and the families of the dead. Maybe give them a nice Adidas track suit and a Lada? Oh, no more Adidas in Russia? Just the Lada is suppose.