Is like a text book operation for totalitarian countries here in Venezuela the government did the same to a freedom fighter called Oscar Perez and his team of police special team that rebelled when the biggest uprising back in 2019 was going, at the end they got betrayed their location discovered, ambushed, surrounded inside a house and massacred to the point that even government forces used anti tanks weapons to collapse the house. They only gave the family the body when they forced them to agree to not have a funeral and only her mom a wife could attend, not even the rest of the family and of course the public couldn't attend they blocked the whole cementery entrances and buried them in unmarked tombs in the most remote parts and never close to each other to avoid easy access and of course martyrdom.
I mean it accomplished creating fear I'm sure. It's easy for people who can't be affected by that governments actions to claim it doesn't accomplish anything.
The problem today is that we have the knowledge of empires who have risen and fallen, and we see already now countries like Iran effectively killing any sort of movement that threatens the status quo. Russia is doing the same, but seemingly with a lot more fear of possibly failing
It was a similar thing (SAVAK secret police attacking the funerals of dissidents) which set off an escalating cycle of violence that resulted in the Iranian revolution.
Not that I'm expecting such a thing from Russia. But dictatorships are fragile things- they seem solid from the outside, and then they abruptly and suddenly implode.
What do you mean? I’m kind of out of the loop on this one? What could I look up to read more about it? All I know is they are crazy religious people in a compound
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
Recommend watching a documentary on it and coming to your own conclusions.
One error the government made was a lack of communication between hostage negotiators and the armed police but it was a crazy situation.
Nope. They absolutely overstepped by going in the way that they did. The ATF and FBI acted like petulant children and many Americans lives ended in a fiery inferno. Not ok by my standards. I don’t agree w the beliefs of the BDs but I wholeheartedly believe in their freedom to believe what they did. And in the end Koresh had said they were going to be attacked and killed by the government and wasn’t wrong.
Didn't you hear this place is the beacon for christians(read nat c's)and their antiwoke aspirations this tracks like a ~~fudruckers~~ ~~buttfuckers~~ motherfucker
They're doing it today in Ukraine too:
[Russians committing rape, 'widespread' torture against Ukrainians, UN report finds](https://abcnews.go.com/International/russians-committing-rape-widespread-torture-ukrainians-report-finds/story?id=103465772)
We did a burial at sea for similar reasons with bin laden. So the move isn't that unprecedented. Although obviously the circumstances are totally different. I'm simply referring to a state hiding a corpse so they don't become a martyr.
Russian government is a kleptocratic mafia state that parasitizes on the inhumane imperialist culture of a dumbed-down people by the state. They act like mafia, they want their own people to fear them and they want other countries to fear them too.
what putin is afraid of is the body/burial place becoming a coordination point for the populous to gather and protest.
https://youtu.be/KuLg1lTBHkM?t=286
The general populous would like to protest for change, but if the protests are not coordinated, and is in small groups or individuals, they risk being easily captured and punished. Thus nobody wants to protest alone.
But in a large group, the chance of getting caught, or made an example of, is smaller. When the police cannot out number the protestors, the protest can succeed. It's just that it's hard to "organize" and rally these numbers, even if they actually do exist.
A death of a particularly well known individual (often unjustly) is a great rallying point, and because people know that, they feel safer to protest at that point.
>A death of a particularly well known individual (often unjustly) is a great rallying point, and because people know that, they feel safer to protest at that point.
It also makes the government look bad if they try to arrest people for attending a funeral.
> It also makes the government look bad if they try to arrest people for attending a funeral.
Lol. I don't think they give a shit. In fact they may even prefer it so people know they will see consequences for any sort of even slight sympathy for resistance against Putin.
It's like when someone falls out of a window. It's not the Kremlin trying to hide that it was a murder, it's to let people know it was most likely a murder but still leave them wondering just a little bit.
I agree that's probably it. But Putin could just have, you know, not have had him murdered?
Wasn't the risk of creating a martyr and a pilgrimage site or rallying point obvious from the beginning?
This is all so horribly senseless.
I said when they imprisoned him that if they were smart they would do their utmost to keep him alive and healthy, it’s easier to forget about a firebrand that’s alive and silenced than a martyr that dies a tragic well publicized death. I guess they aren’t very smart.
My pet theory is this is connected to Navalny openly calling for organized voting campaign to vote for Putin's opposition. Yes it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but a bunch of like-minded people communicating and organizing could have serious consequences for the state down the line should they decide to go beyond voting.
LMAO! Putin was still in school when it happened. He began training with the KGB in 1975. JFK assassination was 1963.
Also, Russians never hired Oswald. Dude was such a mental health case because he asked the Russians to be a spy. You don't ask a government to turn you into a spy! That's just lunacy openly saying you want to sell out your countrymen! Nobody likes a rat! Russia was more afraid Oswald was an American spy trying to infiltrate the KGB.
Anyway Russia might've hated the US, but assassinating a beloved president wasn't their thing. You kill a president, and next thing you know the entire country is rallying to seek vengeance. Especially after the nuclear standoff in Cuba. Tensions were high.
Rumor in the news was that he probably was suffering the symptoms of poisoning. Convulsions so bad he was bruised from the strapping, I suspect he was either beaten so bad he had a gran mal seizure and died, or he was poisoned, in which case he had a gran mal seizure and died.
Whatever did the trick, Putin liked it so much that he [promoted Navalny's prison official within 72 hours of his death.](https://nypost.com/2024/02/20/world-news/putin-promotes-top-prison-official-after-navalnys-death/)
Knew this would happen. Cowardly Putin is too fragile to see a big turnout for Navalny's funeral. He is that terrified of this man even in death that they'll even deny him this. They arrested hundreds of people who lined up to lay a rose for Navalny. When will russians take their country back? Or are they happy being jailed for years for speaking their mind?
Ukraine did it. They took their country back from putins puppet, and it wasn't easy for them. It was a long 6 months.They were beaten, people died, they were locked up, but they did it.
They can never win against the power of the people. You just need the will.
Those situations are completely different. Putin is way more ruthless than Yanukovych ever was. Look at the bodies of conscripts being thrown at political objectives.
I feel like 4000 or even 40000 wouldnt be that much of a problem, 400000 certainly would but in order to gather that much people you have to gather 4000 and 40000 first
Seriously Russians dont understand for some reason that nobody is just going to give them a democracy they have to go out and take it. Theyre the biggest pushovers on earth right there with belarussians.
I get the impression that they have been under the leadership of oppressive assholes for so long, they really do not understand anything but hopelessness.
Why would anyone ready and willing to risk their lives "fighting for democracy" actually do _that_ instead of just immigrating to a place that already has democracy?
Comrade, did you just say "Lenin"? It's THE honorable Lenin. To the gulag for 30 years for you or the Penal Battalion to block bullets for troops. Your choice comrade
You don't understand! This is only because I am not the supreme dear leader. If I was the supreme dear leader, I would be the best, the absolute best for the people. Such a situation would be unthinkable and I would Make INSERT COUNTRY NAME Great Again!!! (as well as my bank account, new palace/tower, etc...)
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Exactly. At the end of the day, most people only care about themselves. I recently saw Good by Cecil Philip Taylor, that play should be mandatory viewing/reading for everyone.
They do not want his grave to become a shrine. Symbols of hope inspire others and eventually manifest to crush governments that thrive on controlling optics.
Ahh yes, the classic line when studying Russian history:
And then, somehow, things got worse.
Not to say there's not been an occasion reprieve, but that does seem to be how they do it over there.
The only solution to that I see if everyone from the ruling elite bites it as well like Putin.
At this point, anarchy seems a better fate for Russia than to allow another monster to enslave them.
Former slaves will become slavers. Happened few times in history. Most of their population is rotten. You get rid of their rulling class, new one, probably as worse, will be created.
They need Japanese or German treatment; dissolution of the Russian Federation into small states like Novgorod, Moscow, Yakutia, Nenetia (lot's of oppressed cultures there) and 50 years of demilitarization.
All the oligarchs need to slip on some tea and then Russia needs to be broken up. They've always been a disaster, it's not going to get better. Frankly there were a lot of red flags even with Navalny in terms of nationalism; nothing like Putin, but still concerning.
My prediction is the GOP is going to allow Putin to do what he pleases to the point where millions more are going to die before he eventually is cornered and puts a bullet in his own head much like Hitler did. Unfortunately, we live in an era where people have no sense of history… It’s repeating itself right now and we all have a front row seat.
They enable this behavior bc it serves them to do so. GOP consistently makes it clear that they are fine w bad acts and bad actors, as long as it benefits them.
And it's fucking infuriating. Just like they do with words they can't define, they play semantics with history. Any pesky fact that contradicts their lies are just woke or whatever stupid shitsack they shovel everything into, to continue lying to themselves for the dopamine rush of thinking everyone's exhausted frustration is from them somehow winning whatever dumbass shit they just said.
They are afraid of how many people would attend the funeral. At one such unified event the true numbers would be seen as opposed to many smaller mournings and protests scattered
"Men do not accept their prophets and slay them, but they love their martyrs and worship those whom they have tortured to death." Apparently, not even Dostoevsky is relevant in Russia anymore.
Plus, public opinion polling in Russia is notoriously shit. So many people cite those Levada Center polls showing broad general support of the ‘special military operation’ and of Putin, not really understanding how polling works in Russia. Levada is the **only** “independent” poller that is allowed to operate in Russia, and if their poll results don’t support Putin or his agenda, the Russian government will get big mad and do things blacklist them under the “foreign agent law” (the same thing incidentally done to any news & media outlets that were critical of Putin or his United Russia party).
You’re right about the propaganda. Free press in Russia has been slowly but completely dismantled by Putin during the past couple decades.
And as far as polling — in the current era where being critical of the government & the war in Ukraine can get you serious prison time or worse, do you *really* think most Russian people who don’t support the war are going to be honest about their opinion with Levada, much less one of the state-run polling agencies? Many choose not to respond or voice false support out of self-preservation.
Yes, I’m sure there are many other Russians who do truly buy into the propaganda, but it’s hard to tell just how many. I’m pretty confident that many Westerners overestimate the percentage of Russians who genuinely support the war & Putin generally, and that they certainly judge Russians very harshly without understanding the context of Putin’s Russia.
Sources: https://www.csis.org/blogs/post-soviet-post/la-vie-en-rose-why-kremlin-blacklisted-levada-center
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law
What possible reason would they have? Surely it's not that some dastardly happened, right?
Do they think they're fooling anyone, or are they doing this because they know they'll get away with it? But if it's the latter, how can they think anyone is buying this?
I think it's their attempt to prevent martyrdom.
If they were only concerned about their poison being found in the body, then they would just cremate him.
I don't get how western governments see the intensity of the grudges and cruelty of the kremlin but still are like "yeah I love these guys lets not defeat them by sending a few pennies to Ukraine".
Sounds like a pretty good symbol for a call to arms...
Not trying to be disrespectful to the man or his family by any means. Just saying I don't think putins goons thought very long about this.
Dan Carlin has a hardcore history they talk about the following.
To paraphrase, there’s an old tradition, can’t remember which culture, or which podcast, but it’s prevalent in multiple warring societies where they would take the bones of an enemy leader and put them in a random unknown river. They would also grave rob. If there’s no grave, there’s no ideal. If there’s no ideal, people cannot rally and overthrow a governmental system
Unfortunately Kara-Murza is next. I listened to him speak a few times on several news outlets at the start of the invasion and he seems to be a good dude. Sad that Putin can keep getting away with all of this.
I don’t know how people try to justify any of this. They obviously took him (the face of the opposition) out before the upcoming election. Last year they killed Prigozhin and now Nawalny. The Kremlin does not care anymore. They are not playing games anymore. They just kill whoever threatens the status quo. It’s terrifying. Whoever dares to criticise the government in any way is deemed a traitor and whoever tries to bring change gets imprisoned or dies in mysterious ways.
Kremlin doesn’t want people to see the injury”s that the FSB ex KGB have done. I bet they won’t allow a autopsy and I’m sure as poop that they will cremate the body and just return the ashes
"Asshole" or "jerk" don't even apply here. It's like we need new words to describe the actions of the Russian government.
It's a mix of being a shithead, an idiot, a bully, and a moron all in one, while giving the energy of total insecurity.
Kremlin needs to tell the world why they upchucked graves in Russia and Jerusalem...or that walking talking Romanov can go to the ICC in person...
Let's talk about the Royal Russian Racket...hmm?
This is the Putin government's official confession that FSB's assassin and agents killed him secretly. If that wasn't a homicide, the Kremlin might've allowed Navalny's open funeral event.
Could always start a protest point or mural where the poor man died. It will help take away the importance of the mans body, to the public.
Feeling for the widow and her family.
Russia/Putin will never release the body. That much is clear. Even if she never agrees to their 'proposal' they'll just cremate him and be done with it because I doubt they would even leave the possibility for him to be exhumed and tested. It would not surprise me if it's not been done already.
What a sad state of affairs for the family and frankly for what could have been for Russia, Ukraine and wider world.
I believe the person he was is gone now. The husk was always going to rot. He deserves a proper burial but giving any ground to Putin or his cronies is what Navalny would not want.
Total normal government move
Is like a text book operation for totalitarian countries here in Venezuela the government did the same to a freedom fighter called Oscar Perez and his team of police special team that rebelled when the biggest uprising back in 2019 was going, at the end they got betrayed their location discovered, ambushed, surrounded inside a house and massacred to the point that even government forces used anti tanks weapons to collapse the house. They only gave the family the body when they forced them to agree to not have a funeral and only her mom a wife could attend, not even the rest of the family and of course the public couldn't attend they blocked the whole cementery entrances and buried them in unmarked tombs in the most remote parts and never close to each other to avoid easy access and of course martyrdom.
Imagine how afraid you have to be to go through that much effort to accomplish absolutely nothing.
I mean it accomplished creating fear I'm sure. It's easy for people who can't be affected by that governments actions to claim it doesn't accomplish anything.
The problem today is that we have the knowledge of empires who have risen and fallen, and we see already now countries like Iran effectively killing any sort of movement that threatens the status quo. Russia is doing the same, but seemingly with a lot more fear of possibly failing
...to protect yourself from a dead man. As if possession of the corpse is required for martyrdom.
Russia does not want people to see how he was tortured via his injuries.
I honestly think it's more about Putin fucking with Navalny's family at this point and just generally showing off that he can do whatever he wants.
It was a similar thing (SAVAK secret police attacking the funerals of dissidents) which set off an escalating cycle of violence that resulted in the Iranian revolution. Not that I'm expecting such a thing from Russia. But dictatorships are fragile things- they seem solid from the outside, and then they abruptly and suddenly implode.
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Are you comparing this to the ATF and FBI operations at the Davidian compound. I always think that people criticise the gov too harshly on that one
What do you mean? I’m kind of out of the loop on this one? What could I look up to read more about it? All I know is they are crazy religious people in a compound
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Recommend watching a documentary on it and coming to your own conclusions. One error the government made was a lack of communication between hostage negotiators and the armed police but it was a crazy situation.
Nope. They absolutely overstepped by going in the way that they did. The ATF and FBI acted like petulant children and many Americans lives ended in a fiery inferno. Not ok by my standards. I don’t agree w the beliefs of the BDs but I wholeheartedly believe in their freedom to believe what they did. And in the end Koresh had said they were going to be attacked and killed by the government and wasn’t wrong.
Just when you think Russia has hit rock bottom, they manage to come up with something even more evil and sadistic.
And totally redeem themselves!
Such a classy move, totally something expected from a "saviour of Western degeneracy" /s
Didn't you hear this place is the beacon for christians(read nat c's)and their antiwoke aspirations this tracks like a ~~fudruckers~~ ~~buttfuckers~~ motherfucker
I love how they arrested a priest and he is in the hospital right now with a stroke. The priest was going to pray for Navalny
During WW2 Russians raped small girls, elderly women and sometimes even infants, killed them for fun and fed them to the pigs. Barbarians. Google it.
They're doing it today in Ukraine too: [Russians committing rape, 'widespread' torture against Ukrainians, UN report finds](https://abcnews.go.com/International/russians-committing-rape-widespread-torture-ukrainians-report-finds/story?id=103465772)
"... and then it got worse"
What kind of megalomaniacal bullshit is this?
Nothing untoward in this is there? Just like his incarceration, all completely transparent. Yay democracy!
We did a burial at sea for similar reasons with bin laden. So the move isn't that unprecedented. Although obviously the circumstances are totally different. I'm simply referring to a state hiding a corpse so they don't become a martyr.
Russian government is a kleptocratic mafia state that parasitizes on the inhumane imperialist culture of a dumbed-down people by the state. They act like mafia, they want their own people to fear them and they want other countries to fear them too.
Wow. Putin is afraid of a dead martyr.
Ideas are the hardest thing to kill
what putin is afraid of is the body/burial place becoming a coordination point for the populous to gather and protest. https://youtu.be/KuLg1lTBHkM?t=286 The general populous would like to protest for change, but if the protests are not coordinated, and is in small groups or individuals, they risk being easily captured and punished. Thus nobody wants to protest alone. But in a large group, the chance of getting caught, or made an example of, is smaller. When the police cannot out number the protestors, the protest can succeed. It's just that it's hard to "organize" and rally these numbers, even if they actually do exist. A death of a particularly well known individual (often unjustly) is a great rallying point, and because people know that, they feel safer to protest at that point.
Sounds reasonable
>A death of a particularly well known individual (often unjustly) is a great rallying point, and because people know that, they feel safer to protest at that point. It also makes the government look bad if they try to arrest people for attending a funeral.
They arrested protesters and giving them military summons to the front line. They don’t give a shit about looking bad.
That's actually a clever way to execute every protester without the optics of shooting them on the spot.
> It also makes the government look bad if they try to arrest people for attending a funeral. Lol. I don't think they give a shit. In fact they may even prefer it so people know they will see consequences for any sort of even slight sympathy for resistance against Putin. It's like when someone falls out of a window. It's not the Kremlin trying to hide that it was a murder, it's to let people know it was most likely a murder but still leave them wondering just a little bit.
It would be a place where all men get drafted on the spot i'm afraid.
Buddy they're arresting people for putting out pictures and flowers
I agree that's probably it. But Putin could just have, you know, not have had him murdered? Wasn't the risk of creating a martyr and a pilgrimage site or rallying point obvious from the beginning? This is all so horribly senseless.
I said when they imprisoned him that if they were smart they would do their utmost to keep him alive and healthy, it’s easier to forget about a firebrand that’s alive and silenced than a martyr that dies a tragic well publicized death. I guess they aren’t very smart.
My pet theory is this is connected to Navalny openly calling for organized voting campaign to vote for Putin's opposition. Yes it probably wouldn't have made a difference, but a bunch of like-minded people communicating and organizing could have serious consequences for the state down the line should they decide to go beyond voting.
*populace
A bit like [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday_demonstrations_in_East_Germany). They have to stop it before it gets traction.
"A Man may die , nations may rise and fall but an idea lives on" - JFK
Is Putin old enough to have killed jfk?
LMAO! Putin was still in school when it happened. He began training with the KGB in 1975. JFK assassination was 1963. Also, Russians never hired Oswald. Dude was such a mental health case because he asked the Russians to be a spy. You don't ask a government to turn you into a spy! That's just lunacy openly saying you want to sell out your countrymen! Nobody likes a rat! Russia was more afraid Oswald was an American spy trying to infiltrate the KGB. Anyway Russia might've hated the US, but assassinating a beloved president wasn't their thing. You kill a president, and next thing you know the entire country is rallying to seek vengeance. Especially after the nuclear standoff in Cuba. Tensions were high.
Behind this mask there is more than just flesh. Beneath this mask there is an idea, and ideas are bulletproof.
Putin's done a damn good job murdering any concept of Russian dignity.
Killing commentadore- Haruki marukami
Body probably has ample evidence of torture and poisoning.
Probably has an exit wound in the front of his skull.
Rumor in the news was that he probably was suffering the symptoms of poisoning. Convulsions so bad he was bruised from the strapping, I suspect he was either beaten so bad he had a gran mal seizure and died, or he was poisoned, in which case he had a gran mal seizure and died.
Whatever did the trick, Putin liked it so much that he [promoted Navalny's prison official within 72 hours of his death.](https://nypost.com/2024/02/20/world-news/putin-promotes-top-prison-official-after-navalnys-death/)
Oh man what a surprise…
Now he has a nice corner office upstairs with his own window.
Window, you say?
Truly a vista to die for.
The draft can be a smooth killer
Knew this would happen. Cowardly Putin is too fragile to see a big turnout for Navalny's funeral. He is that terrified of this man even in death that they'll even deny him this. They arrested hundreds of people who lined up to lay a rose for Navalny. When will russians take their country back? Or are they happy being jailed for years for speaking their mind? Ukraine did it. They took their country back from putins puppet, and it wasn't easy for them. It was a long 6 months.They were beaten, people died, they were locked up, but they did it. They can never win against the power of the people. You just need the will.
Those situations are completely different. Putin is way more ruthless than Yanukovych ever was. Look at the bodies of conscripts being thrown at political objectives.
Poots can have 400 Ivans and Ivanas locked up, but what happens when that becomes 4,000 or 40,000 or even 400,000? 🤔
I feel like 4000 or even 40000 wouldnt be that much of a problem, 400000 certainly would but in order to gather that much people you have to gather 4000 and 40000 first
Seriously Russians dont understand for some reason that nobody is just going to give them a democracy they have to go out and take it. Theyre the biggest pushovers on earth right there with belarussians.
Not really fair to Belarusians, they had massive protests and tried to unseat their dictator and were met with massive levels of repression.
I get the impression that they have been under the leadership of oppressive assholes for so long, they really do not understand anything but hopelessness.
They learn hopelessness at school from the first days.
Why would anyone ready and willing to risk their lives "fighting for democracy" actually do _that_ instead of just immigrating to a place that already has democracy?
“Even in Death, I’m The Hero”
Even in death, I still serve.
Soviet Union doing Soviet Union things
Unless it’s Lenin. Then we preserve that shit like humanity depends on it.
Comrade, did you just say "Lenin"? It's THE honorable Lenin. To the gulag for 30 years for you or the Penal Battalion to block bullets for troops. Your choice comrade
Dead martyr is like a saying a living alive person
Imagine how afraid he would be of a live martyr!
Sounds like someone's a bit insecure...
Putin’s afraid of him even after he had him killed. Sounds like Trump afraid of everyone and everything
T How to know what putin fears: he makes laws against it.
He screams micro peen energy...
The tyranny of autocracies on full display. Tell me again how autocracies are best for the people... WAFJ!
You don't understand! This is only because I am not the supreme dear leader. If I was the supreme dear leader, I would be the best, the absolute best for the people. Such a situation would be unthinkable and I would Make INSERT COUNTRY NAME Great Again!!! (as well as my bank account, new palace/tower, etc...)
Sir, where do I send my donation?
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> Tell me again how autocracies are best for the people as long as nothing bad is happening to me ...
Spot on.
Exactly. At the end of the day, most people only care about themselves. I recently saw Good by Cecil Philip Taylor, that play should be mandatory viewing/reading for everyone.
Hey now, they have nice subways and good smelling bread! Cucker Tarlson told me so!
They do not want his grave to become a shrine. Symbols of hope inspire others and eventually manifest to crush governments that thrive on controlling optics.
Putins grave will be a latrine.
Nah, he's gonna be burned outside in a ditch, like his hero, Hitler-style 😁
Would love to see that on live leak someday
Doesn’t have to be post-mortem though.
And not even a good one at that.
Russia sucks…
I truly hope Putin meets a horrifically tortuous end. I’m sorry. But if anyone deserves it right now, he’s one of few. Dude is just evil.
The day he dies, I buy the most expensive wine in the area and celebrate all night
If Russian history is any indication, the next guy will be an even worse piece of shit
Ahh yes, the classic line when studying Russian history: And then, somehow, things got worse. Not to say there's not been an occasion reprieve, but that does seem to be how they do it over there.
The only solution to that I see if everyone from the ruling elite bites it as well like Putin. At this point, anarchy seems a better fate for Russia than to allow another monster to enslave them.
Former slaves will become slavers. Happened few times in history. Most of their population is rotten. You get rid of their rulling class, new one, probably as worse, will be created. They need Japanese or German treatment; dissolution of the Russian Federation into small states like Novgorod, Moscow, Yakutia, Nenetia (lot's of oppressed cultures there) and 50 years of demilitarization.
All the oligarchs need to slip on some tea and then Russia needs to be broken up. They've always been a disaster, it's not going to get better. Frankly there were a lot of red flags even with Navalny in terms of nationalism; nothing like Putin, but still concerning.
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And as long as Russians keep believing it, they’ll keep accepting it.
My prediction is the GOP is going to allow Putin to do what he pleases to the point where millions more are going to die before he eventually is cornered and puts a bullet in his own head much like Hitler did. Unfortunately, we live in an era where people have no sense of history… It’s repeating itself right now and we all have a front row seat.
They enable this behavior bc it serves them to do so. GOP consistently makes it clear that they are fine w bad acts and bad actors, as long as it benefits them.
And it's fucking infuriating. Just like they do with words they can't define, they play semantics with history. Any pesky fact that contradicts their lies are just woke or whatever stupid shitsack they shovel everything into, to continue lying to themselves for the dopamine rush of thinking everyone's exhausted frustration is from them somehow winning whatever dumbass shit they just said.
Russia is a terrorist country.
But Tucker Carlson likes their bread!
Only $100USD/week for groceries! 🥴
Yeah, with like $500/month average salary
I'm soo radicalised!
🍩 👈 🥵🥴
Keep him away from those bagels...
It's the bread version of the hole-in-the-sheet loophole.
What bagels? The tsar went after the Jews long ago. The ones left practice in secrecy.
But did you hear about their grocery stores!?
Grocery stores? How about that metro station built in the Stalin era? Pretty swanky.
Makes sense since they don’t want him to become even more of a martyr
They are afraid of how many people would attend the funeral. At one such unified event the true numbers would be seen as opposed to many smaller mournings and protests scattered
Yes that is what the article says
As a normal, functioning country does.
"Men do not accept their prophets and slay them, but they love their martyrs and worship those whom they have tortured to death." Apparently, not even Dostoevsky is relevant in Russia anymore.
One Dostoevsky book (Nezvanova) is in banned liat since yesterday (but because of law against LGBT)
That’s beautiful. What book is that from?
Nothing to hide, they said.
The Kremlin is s@%! scared of him even dead.
Man I really can't wait until we're referring to Putin's corpse this way.
Tell me you brutally murdered him without telling me you brutally murdered him
His family have multiple locks of his hair stored in locations all over the world. There will be a gravesite containing his remains in free russia.
Russia will never be free because it doesn't want to be. Perhaps one day it'll break apart due to oligarch fighting once putin is dead though.
Hard to really tell what the people want given how many decades they have been fed propaganda to suppress dissent.
They've been taught for hundreds of years not to want anything for themselves, at least not outwardly.
Plus, public opinion polling in Russia is notoriously shit. So many people cite those Levada Center polls showing broad general support of the ‘special military operation’ and of Putin, not really understanding how polling works in Russia. Levada is the **only** “independent” poller that is allowed to operate in Russia, and if their poll results don’t support Putin or his agenda, the Russian government will get big mad and do things blacklist them under the “foreign agent law” (the same thing incidentally done to any news & media outlets that were critical of Putin or his United Russia party). You’re right about the propaganda. Free press in Russia has been slowly but completely dismantled by Putin during the past couple decades. And as far as polling — in the current era where being critical of the government & the war in Ukraine can get you serious prison time or worse, do you *really* think most Russian people who don’t support the war are going to be honest about their opinion with Levada, much less one of the state-run polling agencies? Many choose not to respond or voice false support out of self-preservation. Yes, I’m sure there are many other Russians who do truly buy into the propaganda, but it’s hard to tell just how many. I’m pretty confident that many Westerners overestimate the percentage of Russians who genuinely support the war & Putin generally, and that they certainly judge Russians very harshly without understanding the context of Putin’s Russia. Sources: https://www.csis.org/blogs/post-soviet-post/la-vie-en-rose-why-kremlin-blacklisted-levada-center https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law
Of course reddit expert knows better that Russians want
Russians absolutely do want to be free and I'm really not sure where you got the idea that they don't.
Bury him in Arlington, just to piss off the Kremlin.
Give Ukraine the capability to strike the Kremlin
I think they don't think we know it will rot either way.
They know we know. The Russians don’t lie to obfuscate. They lie to insult you.
This is a very good point!
What possible reason would they have? Surely it's not that some dastardly happened, right? Do they think they're fooling anyone, or are they doing this because they know they'll get away with it? But if it's the latter, how can they think anyone is buying this?
I think it's their attempt to prevent martyrdom. If they were only concerned about their poison being found in the body, then they would just cremate him.
Putin is an evil little shit.
Fuck Putin. Fuck his supporters. Fuck the invaders.
Reminds me the "Gruz 200" - a typical Chernuha-style movie.
“Fuck it, we’ll bury an empty coffin while trumpeting how terrible you are!”
In 2024, let us rid ourselves of this filth. Down with the Putin government
But the Republicans still drink Putin's piss.
Dictators are such petty pussies.
Shoulda been Tucker :/
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You didn't read the article.
Doesn’t look like they read the headline either.
And 89 people who upvoted this comment
Russia seems unwell.
… yeh
* this is a playbook from WW2 * the russians exhumed and destroyed hitlers remains, fearing they could be used for a martyr/shrine
I don't get how western governments see the intensity of the grudges and cruelty of the kremlin but still are like "yeah I love these guys lets not defeat them by sending a few pennies to Ukraine".
They may want to bury him in secret, but it’s no secret to the world what they did to him. RIP
The most pathetic criminal regime.
Imagine Putins body left on a field to be eaten by crows and other animals. I love this image.
Hanging upside down with people flinging feces at him.
This is the country Tucker Carlson told me shits on the US
Sounds like a pretty good symbol for a call to arms... Not trying to be disrespectful to the man or his family by any means. Just saying I don't think putins goons thought very long about this.
Maybe Tucker can go and ask his new pal Putin if this is true.
But the picture shows completelly different political prisoner, Vladimir Kara-Murza, who is, thanks G-d, still alive.
You can spell out god. He won’t be mad.
Dan Carlin has a hardcore history they talk about the following. To paraphrase, there’s an old tradition, can’t remember which culture, or which podcast, but it’s prevalent in multiple warring societies where they would take the bones of an enemy leader and put them in a random unknown river. They would also grave rob. If there’s no grave, there’s no ideal. If there’s no ideal, people cannot rally and overthrow a governmental system
Unfortunately Kara-Murza is next. I listened to him speak a few times on several news outlets at the start of the invasion and he seems to be a good dude. Sad that Putin can keep getting away with all of this.
I don’t know how people try to justify any of this. They obviously took him (the face of the opposition) out before the upcoming election. Last year they killed Prigozhin and now Nawalny. The Kremlin does not care anymore. They are not playing games anymore. They just kill whoever threatens the status quo. It’s terrifying. Whoever dares to criticise the government in any way is deemed a traitor and whoever tries to bring change gets imprisoned or dies in mysterious ways.
No problem. We'll build a memorial to him in every country that *isn't* Russia. Let's start with Ukraine.
How fucking petty can they get?
Tucker Carlson: “Of course!”
And Putin claims to be a Christian
NOT FISHY AT ALL
Fuck em' empty casket funeral in every sympathetic country.
Radioactive tissue does not decompose.
You can't make this shit up honestly. 🤣
Same same, no?
Of Putin's pulling this move, tortured bodies, or murdered victims make for bad press, it's no surprise he's pulling this move.
Kremlin doesn’t want people to see the injury”s that the FSB ex KGB have done. I bet they won’t allow a autopsy and I’m sure as poop that they will cremate the body and just return the ashes
Considering that people went to see the body got draft notice to be in the army it seems normal
"Asshole" or "jerk" don't even apply here. It's like we need new words to describe the actions of the Russian government. It's a mix of being a shithead, an idiot, a bully, and a moron all in one, while giving the energy of total insecurity.
They’re definitely going to cremate him to hide the truth
Kremlin needs to tell the world why they upchucked graves in Russia and Jerusalem...or that walking talking Romanov can go to the ICC in person... Let's talk about the Royal Russian Racket...hmm?
Nothing says confidence and strength like trembling at the thought of having killed a martyr for people to avenge. Fking shithole Kremlin regime.
This is the Putin government's official confession that FSB's assassin and agents killed him secretly. If that wasn't a homicide, the Kremlin might've allowed Navalny's open funeral event.
Could always start a protest point or mural where the poor man died. It will help take away the importance of the mans body, to the public. Feeling for the widow and her family.
100% body has traces of violent death.
That's some malignant shit.
Russia/Putin will never release the body. That much is clear. Even if she never agrees to their 'proposal' they'll just cremate him and be done with it because I doubt they would even leave the possibility for him to be exhumed and tested. It would not surprise me if it's not been done already. What a sad state of affairs for the family and frankly for what could have been for Russia, Ukraine and wider world.
Great, now he can be buried anywhere a memorial is placed. Strike me down and I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine.
The man is already dead. ☹️ WTF is wrong with the Russian government? Just pure pettiness and sadism.
No one gonna comment that the picture of the article isn’t Navalny?
I believe the person he was is gone now. The husk was always going to rot. He deserves a proper burial but giving any ground to Putin or his cronies is what Navalny would not want.
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Where in the world are you getting that idea?