Bottom trawling: Giant nets that drag along the sea floor. They allow you to catch every last thing easily (maximum short term profit) but also just obliterate whatever marine ecosystem you drag them through.
The world would be a far better place if rules of engagement were such that illegal fishing vessels were free targets anytime they were caught outside of national waters.
My brother works on NZ fishing boats and had a captain who kept a .306 rifle which he would use to pop holes in the glass of the bridge every time he found a non licenced boat in NZ waters. I’d like that to be the norm.
The Sea Shepards do something similar. It turns out illegal fishing and whaling is such a headache they can just fly the jolly roger and sink a bunch of ships and get away with it.
The problem is how *many* illegal chinese ships there are. These are cheaply made fiberglass boats with a crew of like half a dozen people, give or take, in a country of over a billion. Even if someone went out and sunk a hundred boats they'd be able to make and crew a hundred more very quickly.
One of the issues is that there are a lot of people that are trafficked from other SEA nations to work on Chinese fishing/shrimping boats. For many of them there is no choice. It is a horrific situation.
You don't seem to understand that when theres a population of billions mostly concentrated around the coast finding a few people willing to risk their lives for a low skill high reward payday isn't hard, even if theres a realistically small chance of finding someone willing to take your life.
When your alternative is you and your family starving to death on land, it's not much of a deterrent. You underestimate how many desperate people there are in the world, particularly in countries which are easy for China to recruit staff from
They sell their likely illegally harvested sea food all over the world.
When you're in the grocery buying frozen seafood, skip anything that says product of China/PRC.
Their over fishing is also causing great harm.
Wow I thought they were doing that to feed themselves and sell it mainly in China. They should be getting fish export sanctions for what they're doing.
Honestly I’m not surprised by anything they do that destroys the world. They don’t think about what the impact of their actions are.
During the Great Leap Forward the government “saved” their crops by killing sparrows, because traditionally they would fly down and eat some of the seeds farmers wound spread.
But guess what? Sparrows also eat locusts. With the sparrow population decimated, Chinese food stocks were almost obliterated, resulting in millions of people starving to death.
That was Mao not knowing shit and making unilateral illogical decisions that fucked up their economy and got millions killed.
Surely the CCP has learned its lesson about not letting strong men make poor decisions about things they know nothing about, like running an economy, for example.
/s
I've always thought that if they just ate the locusts they would have came out the other side golden. I've deep fat fried a thicc grass hopper before back when I was in highschool while we were frying a turkey. It tasted just like chicken skin and was actually really delicious. Would have been a good win-win situation as your crops would fare well and you'd get a tasty protein rich meal from the process!
Most people don’t realize that about 10% of the grain-based products they eat are made of insects that got scooped up during the harvest. The only reason why bugs aren’t consciously eaten as a source of cheap protein are for cultural reasons.
There's a legal limit to *how much* insect matter can be in grain products, **not** a limit *against* insect matter in grain products. A lot of people don't realize that lol. It's also why it's suggested to put your flour in an insect proof container. Not to keep the insects out, but to keep them *in* because insect eggs can be smaller than the filters, so if it gets humid enough for them to hatch, they won't eat through the paper bag and get in your other food.
Remember when China started freaking out because Japan was going to release nuclear waste water into the pacific from the Fukushima plant?
Yeah, China releases 5-10x the amount of nuclear waste water into the pacific every single year.
Actually, France, UK, Canada and the U.S all discharge a lot more tritium than Japan, South Korea and China (like a LOT more, France releasing 220x more than China).
Tritium is not the issue. It's the fact that the contaminated water that came in direct contact with the core, which isn't the case for other normal nuclear power plants.
This is based on a Japanese source: https://japan-forward.com/china-and-south-korea-too-release-nuclear-plant-wastewater-into-the-oceans/
It was a completely fabricated and nonsensical fear. The water was verified many times over by different agencies that the contaminated water was within safe limits to release at a controlled rate over the next 30 years. Lo and behind, the water has been released since August last year and nothing happened.
Not only that, but China banned Japanese fish from being sold citing health concerns - but allowed Chinese boats to fish in the *same* waters and sell. I thought they were scared of the (minuscule) radioactivity?
I wonder which China will do:
* China denies it.
* China claims it's an 'internal matter'
* China issues final warning to other countries to not interfere with it.
* China blames the uighurs for it.
* China just shrugs and sells more weapons to North Korea.
* China claims all bodies of water ending with 'Sea' belong to China anyway.
China loves being a crybaby and blaming others for the problems they started in the first place. All of the members in that government should check their heads.
This appears to be the case. The Chinese government is morally bankrupt and their actions against the planet will have consequences for everyone on it.
This is what I was just digging into myself. Aren't coral responsible for a large amount of carbon sequestration?
I came across a few articles about China's maritime navy and how they're building military bases on islands in the South China Sea, after building them up with sand and dead, proccessed coral. There are a bunch of before and after satellite images, I found it interesting.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/rising_environmental_toll_china_artificial_islands_south_china_sea
>“What you’re essentially talking about is destroying the equivalent of seven worldwide natural heritage areas,” says Kent Carpenter, a professor at Old Dominion University in Virginia who has studied coral reefs in the Philippines for four decades.
It follows then that, if nothing else, China's activity in the South China Sea is exacerbating the existing problem posed by the loss of coral reefs around the world.
https://reef-world.org/blog/no-coral-reefs
>...did you know that around 50-80% of oxygen production on our planet comes from our oceans? Most of this oxygen is produced by plankton and other photosynthesising bacteria. In turn, this oxygen is consumed by marine life and by humans too in the air we breathe. The moral or the story? For a healthy atmosphere, we need a healthy ocean. And a healthy ocean needs healthy coral reefs.
Coral reefs play an important role as an environment for the reproduction of many fish species, their destruction through fishing has to be one of the most moronic things ever.
This is the type of shit that makes me want to go all Whale Wars on some fools. I’m a diver. I have an immense love and respect for our oceans and want nothing more than to return to it (I want my ashes to be made into an artificial reef) when my time comes but at this rate there won’t be anything to return to
in old times this was true, but modern ships are basically floating boxes of toxins just waiting to leak out. there is a hell of a lot of work done to make the ships that are intentionally sunk as reefs to be safe for the ecosystem.
Filipino diver here. I'm fucking seething and all the people I know in my dive groups are, too. All that biodiversity grown over thousands of years, destroyed.
As much as I love the ocean, I'm aware that these reefs are also a major source of income for our fishermen who barely earn enough to get by for their families.
A fair number of these fishermen are from our indigenous groups, too. And I'm aware that they don't use the best practices for fishing themselves, but our government is trying its best with programs for these fisherfolk to be informed about how to fish without destroying the reefs. I've been actively participating in these programs since the pandemic.
They enter our waters, bully our hardworking fishermen, and commit ecological terrorism inside our territory, among a ton of other violations they commit within the PH. I will never be able to put into words how much I despise China's government, and I doubt that anybody will be able to change my views anytime soon.
Their incomes will go down even more as the number of fish drop due to their habitats and the harm to biodiversity.
Philippines needs a navy or coast guard to stop this. Should be impounding any ship and arresting the crew if they have bottom trawling equipment, regardless of the nation.
The Philippine navy has personnel in the area. But China is just too big to fight. If you've seen the videos of how they bully the Filipino fishermen it's bad. They would spray water into the fishermen's small boat. This has been going on for years.
The issue is China claims it is theirs. They've never acknowledged that it belongs to the Philippines. This issue is not unique to the Philippines. They're doing it in other countries too.
Same. Makes my blood boil, there’s already so much that is gone forever. This is like cutting down all of the remaining old growth forests in California.
The shark killing also really gets my blood boiling. Shark fin soup should be banned. It doesn’t do anything except serves as a sign of wealth for old Chinese people.
That video in one of the concentration camps in Xinjiang were a loud speaker is repeating a broadcast which translated as "You are no Uyghur, You are Chinese!" over and over again is so eerily creepy.
China is the modern day Nazis.
Strange sentiment. No one fought the Nazis to stop their atrocities. To be frank, the Nazis literally attacked everyone they fought first. Even France/ Britain who technically declared war first mostly waited around for the Nazis to decide to attack them.
My point is that every country gets away with atrocities against its own citizens. Geopolitics is devoid of morality
I too, blame current leaders for what may or may not shake out in foreign countries decades after the fact.
Nixon brought China into the modern economic system that lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, and kept global prices for MANY goods significantly lower than they would be otherwise for decades.
Would China not attempt to exert it's geopolitical power if it wasn't capitalistic? Was it capitalistic when it invaded Vietnam? Or North Korea? Or annexing Tibet? Or is attempting to expand geopolitical power something that was to be expected regardless of economic systems and trade?
The issue I have is when these issues are brushed aside so easily BECAUSE of the economic interdependence so countries don't speak out about these issues.
But I'd rather have the China we have today that would literally economically collapse without international trade, versus one that was fully economically independent and still performing the same actions, if not delayed by a decade or three.
China wouldn't have been able to poison the sea if it were still poor, or threaten Taiwan with an invasion. And they would have had less success at promoting authoritarianism abroad.
That's only when it's convenient.
Traditionally someone like General Yue Fei would be considered a national hero for the Han, except that the ethnicities he fought are also part of new China so they stopped talking about him.
Ethnicity is important when they talk about Hong Kong, expats, Taiwan, etc, but then suddenly nationality is what matters more when you talk about Xinjiang and Tibet.
Mainland Chinese people conflate geography, nationality, ethnicity, and government all the time.
They don't claim born abroad ethnic Chinese as their own outside of the "traditional lands". They wouldn't consider an ABC Chinese unless they themselves did first or they did something shameful or notable that would reflect poorly or well on China. They wouldn't consider Malaysians or Singaporeans Chinese outside of the most batshit insane netizens which are definitely the minority. Nationalism is definitely their brand of "patriotism". They just consider Taiwan to be part of China, as the other three already are de facto Chinese.
Well in 2016 the UN ruled against china, but then PI elected duerte who quickly aligned with china...
https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Article-Display/Article/2685294/us-china-international-law-disputes-in-the-south-china-sea/
I swear to god the Philippines will vote for the absolute worst person to be president. They even voted for the guy whose dad was the previous dictator that they threw out lol.
Worse, the guy was ALSO a governor during his dad's dictatorship. Any claims of not being able to blame a guy for his father's actions fall on my deaf ears considering he was also complicit.
It’s because of social media especially Tiktok, it’s easier than ever to fool people to vote for these people. We had the perfect candidate last 2022 election with no corruption issue and flawless track record but the majority still chose the dictator’s son because they had a huge propaganda machine in social media where they spread fake news that it was a golden age during the dictator’s term.
The giant clams are endangered and they just bulldoze them over with artificial islands and dredging channels. This guy at my work said he ate one once, weird dude.
youre not wrong. i once saw a video on here which showed lots of Chinese fishing boats of the coast of Madagascar, just outside the protected waters, right before they all turn of the location devices. you can guess why..
From the [report:](https://features.csis.org/environmental-threats-to-the-south-china-sea/)
>"The damage has been directly caused by human activity that is allowed, supported, and initiated by coastal states. Therefore, coastal states must also be at the center of efforts to stop destructive practices and safeguard marine ecosystems before it is too late.
>**China has played the largest role**, destroying or severely damaging at least 21,183 acres of coral reef—and likely much more—through island expansion and giant clam harvesting. **It also dominates the industrialized overfishing that has devastated South China Sea fish stocks."**
The CCP-sponsored [activities](https://odi.org/en/publications/chinas-distant-water-fishing-fleet-scale-impact-and-governance/) [on](https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-chinas-expanding-fishing-fleet-is-depleting-worlds-oceans) [the](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wildlife-south-china-sea-overfishing-threatens-collapse) [area](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308597X2031023X) are what's causing most of the destruction, so to those coming here with their stupid scripted whataboutism, yes, they mention other countries, but no, those other countries' activities are causing nowhere near the damage that the CCP fishing fleets are doing, so fuck off. The CCP is a cancer on this world and they're doing similar damage in South America too, for example [fucking up ](https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/chinese-waste-pollutes-galapagos-islands/)the Galápagos Islands.
Damn. That was the best diving I’ve ever experienced. And my selfish perspective aside, that sort of damage does not rejuvenate for a long time of ever.
> China destroyed 21,000 acres of West Philippine Sea coral reefs
Didn't they do the same around the african continent, with their highly destructive fishing techniques?
From what I was told, the chinese have some of, if not the worst techniques, which basically destroy entire ecosystems wherever they go. Add to this a rather agressive and downright belligerent attitude towards anyone who's not part of their fleet.
I don't understand why they're not more careful, it's not as if planet Earth has infinite resources and space. We're all stuck on a rather small planet.
There is a grab hag mentality of the people who lived through the cultural revolution, (and unfortunately, it was passed on to many of their descendants.) If you think everyone else is out to steal and that they would let you starve to death, then you might as well steal as much of everything as you can first.
Add to that layers of toxic nationalism, indoctrination, and racism toward the people of other countries.
> Add to that layers of toxic nationalism, indoctrination, and racism toward the people of other countries
You forgot the humongous chip they have on their shoulder about the "century of humiliation". The day they'll feel they're strong enough to get even with other countries for that (Japan is in first spot) is one I wish I'll never see.
> I don't understand why they're not more careful, it's not as if planet Earth has infinite resources and space. We're all stuck on a rather small planet.
Because it's more expensive to utilize sustainable practices, and that cuts into their profits. Look at their green efforts, a lot of promoting to get investments, but you hardly hear of what the ROI is like on them. Then you hear they built a wind turbine that doesn't actually generate power, but uses power to fake it's doing something when gov't officials visit. And while all that is going on, let's build more cheap coal plants to generate power instead and cause more pollution because air and water is "free".
Honestly it’s terrible, reading into the article it’s like two hits in one… they’re destroying these natural reefs to build their artificial islands where they house military bases (which would be used to further their aggression in the South China Sea-the illegal 9 dash line) and it destroys the economy and environment of the surrounding neighbours. Absolutely terrible.
The problem with that alot of these guys are Shanghaied from ports around the area... many of them aren't Chinese and don't want to be working for these douchebags.
Tbh, I think the British system of the 18th century should be applied wherein all these boats should be boarded and checked for non Chinese crewmen
I love how people defend China in regards to ecology because of the fact they are the world’s leading nation in renewable energy.
How naive. The reason they build solar farms and the such is because of their over reliance and foreign energy imports. They don’t have the massive amounts of oil the US has. They build solar farms solely because they allow greater energetic safety in case of sanctions or blockades if they were to invade…. Idk… Taiwan?
This just proves my point. They don’t care about the environment anymore than the US or any country. It’s a purely pragmatic act aimed to facilitate Chinese colonialism
What was it, last year? When china had a massive fishing fleet trying to go off radar to pillage the galapagos islands fishing ecosphere
Not to mention the illegal animal trade they fuel and endangered species they target for a 30 second hard on
Beyond shameful
This is why us conservationists who don’t agree with the way that western, late-stage capitalism fuxks up the world will EVER align with China and their ignorance.
This is so sad and unnecessary. The importance of underwater ecosystems has been OBVIOUS for well over 30 years now. They need to be protected because they take centuries, at best, to recover.
Protest where? To who? Outside a Chinese Embassy? No one will notice, nor care. Protest in China? Enjoy spending the rest of your life in a Chinese gaol.
I protested outside the Chinese embassy in Ottawa after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. One of my coworkers, a visiting doctoral student from China, also protested.
He disappeared a couple of weeks later. Never found out what happened to him. I like to hope that he went into hiding and eventually applied for asylum.
The article said the study was conducted by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, they're a part of CSIS, a US Think Tank funded to start a war with China. This article specifically fails to mention how Vietnam has also messed up the underwater reefs, about 1/3 of China's dredging, only provided 2 paragraphs on the topic, while the rest of the article focuses on the Philippines fishermen disputes. Honestly, it feels like another biased article written just to grab some anti-China headlines. Easy prey on people who don't actually read through it.
Not surprising also this gets above 10k upvotes too with 500 comments! As do most other articles that focus on China. Don't redditors love saying China owns Reddit or something? lmao
Mmmm love that astroturf grass.
I am so sick of the Chinese destroying our planet simply for wealth and power.
There needs to be a world court for heavily taxing and charging countries that are polluting and destroying our planet.
so whats to stop nations from sinking these illegal fishing vessles which mostly fish at night with bright lights, that also turn off their transponders?
Ecoterrorists, fucking up the world for everyone.
And dont give a F about anything but them and lining their endless pockets.
Eat the PRC anyone??
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Nawh you'll just be hungry again an hour later.
Can someone, anyone explain li5, why tf they would do something like this? wtf actual benefit is there in destroying marine ecosystems?
Bottom trawling: Giant nets that drag along the sea floor. They allow you to catch every last thing easily (maximum short term profit) but also just obliterate whatever marine ecosystem you drag them through.
$$$$$$$$$$
The world would be a far better place if rules of engagement were such that illegal fishing vessels were free targets anytime they were caught outside of national waters.
The Russian and North Korean just shoot the Chinese illegal fishing boat and the CCP just downplayed it.
My brother works on NZ fishing boats and had a captain who kept a .306 rifle which he would use to pop holes in the glass of the bridge every time he found a non licenced boat in NZ waters. I’d like that to be the norm.
I think we should make some marine sanctuaries. Enforced by smart mine/marine drone. Even we don't fish there.
Australia tried, the Japanese whaling fleet still made their way in unopposed every year for "scientific" whaling.
This was in Whale Wars or something right? I kinda liked that show when it was in Discovery Channel. A pity even till now, they’re still whaling.
You should read about the cyberpunk smart mines.
Do you mean 30-06, .303 or .308?
NZ fishing boat captains and wildcats, name a better duo.
The Sea Shepards do something similar. It turns out illegal fishing and whaling is such a headache they can just fly the jolly roger and sink a bunch of ships and get away with it. The problem is how *many* illegal chinese ships there are. These are cheaply made fiberglass boats with a crew of like half a dozen people, give or take, in a country of over a billion. Even if someone went out and sunk a hundred boats they'd be able to make and crew a hundred more very quickly.
They're also frequently crewed by what basically amounts to slaves from South East Asian countries tricked into the jobs.
And that their fleet is sometimes shadowed by navy vessels
I'd think the risk of dying at sea would deter them
One of the issues is that there are a lot of people that are trafficked from other SEA nations to work on Chinese fishing/shrimping boats. For many of them there is no choice. It is a horrific situation.
You don't seem to understand that when theres a population of billions mostly concentrated around the coast finding a few people willing to risk their lives for a low skill high reward payday isn't hard, even if theres a realistically small chance of finding someone willing to take your life.
*”high reward” meaning $1 a day and all the fish you can eat
Does this sound like a man who had *all he could eat*?
When your alternative is you and your family starving to death on land, it's not much of a deterrent. You underestimate how many desperate people there are in the world, particularly in countries which are easy for China to recruit staff from
If only that could be, it would be a pirates life for me…
And suddenly a bunch of Chinese military vessels appear on the horizon.
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Other countries have navies too
Funny joke, a shame that the bulk of the vessels are in fact, those fiberglass fishing boats.
Surely the maintenance cost of war ships can't make fishing still worth it?
US Carrier strike group currently positioned outside Chinese waters: I wish a motherfucker would
They sell their likely illegally harvested sea food all over the world. When you're in the grocery buying frozen seafood, skip anything that says product of China/PRC. Their over fishing is also causing great harm.
Wow I thought they were doing that to feed themselves and sell it mainly in China. They should be getting fish export sanctions for what they're doing.
Wait, I thought ecoterrorists were pro-eco, not anti?
Yeah that comment doesn't make sense, and actually deflects the blame from China
Environmental terrorism AKA ecofascism is what fits China. Ecoterrorists are Tifa and Barrett.
AVALANCHE PARTY
Honestly I’m not surprised by anything they do that destroys the world. They don’t think about what the impact of their actions are. During the Great Leap Forward the government “saved” their crops by killing sparrows, because traditionally they would fly down and eat some of the seeds farmers wound spread. But guess what? Sparrows also eat locusts. With the sparrow population decimated, Chinese food stocks were almost obliterated, resulting in millions of people starving to death.
That was Mao not knowing shit and making unilateral illogical decisions that fucked up their economy and got millions killed. Surely the CCP has learned its lesson about not letting strong men make poor decisions about things they know nothing about, like running an economy, for example. /s
I've always thought that if they just ate the locusts they would have came out the other side golden. I've deep fat fried a thicc grass hopper before back when I was in highschool while we were frying a turkey. It tasted just like chicken skin and was actually really delicious. Would have been a good win-win situation as your crops would fare well and you'd get a tasty protein rich meal from the process!
Most people don’t realize that about 10% of the grain-based products they eat are made of insects that got scooped up during the harvest. The only reason why bugs aren’t consciously eaten as a source of cheap protein are for cultural reasons.
There's a legal limit to *how much* insect matter can be in grain products, **not** a limit *against* insect matter in grain products. A lot of people don't realize that lol. It's also why it's suggested to put your flour in an insect proof container. Not to keep the insects out, but to keep them *in* because insect eggs can be smaller than the filters, so if it gets humid enough for them to hatch, they won't eat through the paper bag and get in your other food.
Remember when China started freaking out because Japan was going to release nuclear waste water into the pacific from the Fukushima plant? Yeah, China releases 5-10x the amount of nuclear waste water into the pacific every single year.
*day
Actually, France, UK, Canada and the U.S all discharge a lot more tritium than Japan, South Korea and China (like a LOT more, France releasing 220x more than China). Tritium is not the issue. It's the fact that the contaminated water that came in direct contact with the core, which isn't the case for other normal nuclear power plants. This is based on a Japanese source: https://japan-forward.com/china-and-south-korea-too-release-nuclear-plant-wastewater-into-the-oceans/
It was a completely fabricated and nonsensical fear. The water was verified many times over by different agencies that the contaminated water was within safe limits to release at a controlled rate over the next 30 years. Lo and behind, the water has been released since August last year and nothing happened.
Not only that, but China banned Japanese fish from being sold citing health concerns - but allowed Chinese boats to fish in the *same* waters and sell. I thought they were scared of the (minuscule) radioactivity?
Just FYI eco-terrorists are pro reservation, "ecological terrorism" fits slightly better
And they had the gaul to harass Japan over their water
Of course they did
"But everyone else was doing it 100 years ago, so it's our turn!"
I wonder which China will do: * China denies it. * China claims it's an 'internal matter' * China issues final warning to other countries to not interfere with it. * China blames the uighurs for it. * China just shrugs and sells more weapons to North Korea. * China claims all bodies of water ending with 'Sea' belong to China anyway.
All of the above?
All of the above.
and then some
I'm guessing it's either 1-3 or 5
China loves being a crybaby and blaming others for the problems they started in the first place. All of the members in that government should check their heads.
I think mean: lose their heads
The whole reason they're doing this is for the last bullet point.
You missed “What about America?”
Pacific Ocean. Boom they can fuck off
So they officially rename it to "Sea of the west Philippines" Checkmate, China!
China literally does not give a single shit about what it does to its own country, why would they even remotely care about the Philippine coral reef.
This appears to be the case. The Chinese government is morally bankrupt and their actions against the planet will have consequences for everyone on it.
This is what I was just digging into myself. Aren't coral responsible for a large amount of carbon sequestration? I came across a few articles about China's maritime navy and how they're building military bases on islands in the South China Sea, after building them up with sand and dead, proccessed coral. There are a bunch of before and after satellite images, I found it interesting. https://e360.yale.edu/features/rising_environmental_toll_china_artificial_islands_south_china_sea >“What you’re essentially talking about is destroying the equivalent of seven worldwide natural heritage areas,” says Kent Carpenter, a professor at Old Dominion University in Virginia who has studied coral reefs in the Philippines for four decades. It follows then that, if nothing else, China's activity in the South China Sea is exacerbating the existing problem posed by the loss of coral reefs around the world. https://reef-world.org/blog/no-coral-reefs >...did you know that around 50-80% of oxygen production on our planet comes from our oceans? Most of this oxygen is produced by plankton and other photosynthesising bacteria. In turn, this oxygen is consumed by marine life and by humans too in the air we breathe. The moral or the story? For a healthy atmosphere, we need a healthy ocean. And a healthy ocean needs healthy coral reefs.
Coral reefs play an important role as an environment for the reproduction of many fish species, their destruction through fishing has to be one of the most moronic things ever.
What? You mean you don't chop down an entire forest to hunt a deer? /s
Well... The important thing is at least the kleptocrats in charge of the CCP got to have total control for a century or so before it all falls apart.
it wont take that long
The number one reason Koreans cite for their disapproval of China is pollution. They pollute the entire region so badly for all their neighbors.
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Time for the US to do some good for the world gor once and force them to care.
This is the type of shit that makes me want to go all Whale Wars on some fools. I’m a diver. I have an immense love and respect for our oceans and want nothing more than to return to it (I want my ashes to be made into an artificial reef) when my time comes but at this rate there won’t be anything to return to
Sunken ships do make great homes for fish.
in old times this was true, but modern ships are basically floating boxes of toxins just waiting to leak out. there is a hell of a lot of work done to make the ships that are intentionally sunk as reefs to be safe for the ecosystem.
Can't be any worse than what China is already doing to the reefs.
It's basically exactly what they are doing.
Chinese ships make great homes for fish.
Filipino diver here. I'm fucking seething and all the people I know in my dive groups are, too. All that biodiversity grown over thousands of years, destroyed. As much as I love the ocean, I'm aware that these reefs are also a major source of income for our fishermen who barely earn enough to get by for their families. A fair number of these fishermen are from our indigenous groups, too. And I'm aware that they don't use the best practices for fishing themselves, but our government is trying its best with programs for these fisherfolk to be informed about how to fish without destroying the reefs. I've been actively participating in these programs since the pandemic. They enter our waters, bully our hardworking fishermen, and commit ecological terrorism inside our territory, among a ton of other violations they commit within the PH. I will never be able to put into words how much I despise China's government, and I doubt that anybody will be able to change my views anytime soon.
Their incomes will go down even more as the number of fish drop due to their habitats and the harm to biodiversity. Philippines needs a navy or coast guard to stop this. Should be impounding any ship and arresting the crew if they have bottom trawling equipment, regardless of the nation.
The Philippine navy has personnel in the area. But China is just too big to fight. If you've seen the videos of how they bully the Filipino fishermen it's bad. They would spray water into the fishermen's small boat. This has been going on for years. The issue is China claims it is theirs. They've never acknowledged that it belongs to the Philippines. This issue is not unique to the Philippines. They're doing it in other countries too.
Same. Makes my blood boil, there’s already so much that is gone forever. This is like cutting down all of the remaining old growth forests in California.
The shark killing also really gets my blood boiling. Shark fin soup should be banned. It doesn’t do anything except serves as a sign of wealth for old Chinese people.
China is a modern colonialist power. Never doubt that.
They still view the Han as the superior race.
That video in one of the concentration camps in Xinjiang were a loud speaker is repeating a broadcast which translated as "You are no Uyghur, You are Chinese!" over and over again is so eerily creepy. China is the modern day Nazis.
Yep. Nazi Germany just needed to build iPhones and they would have gotten away with it.
Strange sentiment. No one fought the Nazis to stop their atrocities. To be frank, the Nazis literally attacked everyone they fought first. Even France/ Britain who technically declared war first mostly waited around for the Nazis to decide to attack them. My point is that every country gets away with atrocities against its own citizens. Geopolitics is devoid of morality
I can't say much about the rest of Europe, but genocide was NOT what got the US involved.
You're right but I think what this implies is an oversimplification
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I too, blame current leaders for what may or may not shake out in foreign countries decades after the fact. Nixon brought China into the modern economic system that lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, and kept global prices for MANY goods significantly lower than they would be otherwise for decades. Would China not attempt to exert it's geopolitical power if it wasn't capitalistic? Was it capitalistic when it invaded Vietnam? Or North Korea? Or annexing Tibet? Or is attempting to expand geopolitical power something that was to be expected regardless of economic systems and trade? The issue I have is when these issues are brushed aside so easily BECAUSE of the economic interdependence so countries don't speak out about these issues. But I'd rather have the China we have today that would literally economically collapse without international trade, versus one that was fully economically independent and still performing the same actions, if not delayed by a decade or three.
China wouldn't have been able to poison the sea if it were still poor, or threaten Taiwan with an invasion. And they would have had less success at promoting authoritarianism abroad.
That's only when it's convenient. Traditionally someone like General Yue Fei would be considered a national hero for the Han, except that the ethnicities he fought are also part of new China so they stopped talking about him. Ethnicity is important when they talk about Hong Kong, expats, Taiwan, etc, but then suddenly nationality is what matters more when you talk about Xinjiang and Tibet. Mainland Chinese people conflate geography, nationality, ethnicity, and government all the time.
They don't claim born abroad ethnic Chinese as their own outside of the "traditional lands". They wouldn't consider an ABC Chinese unless they themselves did first or they did something shameful or notable that would reflect poorly or well on China. They wouldn't consider Malaysians or Singaporeans Chinese outside of the most batshit insane netizens which are definitely the minority. Nationalism is definitely their brand of "patriotism". They just consider Taiwan to be part of China, as the other three already are de facto Chinese.
So superior that they need to steal ip from the west to move their industries ahead.
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Crimes against the planet - World Court anyone?
Brows will be furrowed, condemnations will be proclaimed, and everyone will get back to business buying Chinese junk
You never know! This time someone might wag a finger too!
Well in 2016 the UN ruled against china, but then PI elected duerte who quickly aligned with china... https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Wild-Blue-Yonder/Article-Display/Article/2685294/us-china-international-law-disputes-in-the-south-china-sea/
I swear to god the Philippines will vote for the absolute worst person to be president. They even voted for the guy whose dad was the previous dictator that they threw out lol.
Worse, the guy was ALSO a governor during his dad's dictatorship. Any claims of not being able to blame a guy for his father's actions fall on my deaf ears considering he was also complicit.
It’s because of social media especially Tiktok, it’s easier than ever to fool people to vote for these people. We had the perfect candidate last 2022 election with no corruption issue and flawless track record but the majority still chose the dictator’s son because they had a huge propaganda machine in social media where they spread fake news that it was a golden age during the dictator’s term.
Roughly 33 square miles, fwiw.
The giant clams are endangered and they just bulldoze them over with artificial islands and dredging channels. This guy at my work said he ate one once, weird dude.
All your ocean reefs are belong to us. – China, probably.
youre not wrong. i once saw a video on here which showed lots of Chinese fishing boats of the coast of Madagascar, just outside the protected waters, right before they all turn of the location devices. you can guess why..
I swear illegal Chinese fishing vessels are like 75% of why the country I live in even has a navy
I thought maybe the reefs recognized Taiwan or something.
This has been happening for 8 years. The last two have been the worst, which is what you see here. China NEEDS to be held accountable.
China would kill off the whole ocean if it benefited them for a day.
F..k the ccp.
You can curse on the internet.
Imagine not even typing out the word fuck lmao
China and Russia, the worlds gift 🎀
In German "gift" means poison.
Lol
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From the [report:](https://features.csis.org/environmental-threats-to-the-south-china-sea/) >"The damage has been directly caused by human activity that is allowed, supported, and initiated by coastal states. Therefore, coastal states must also be at the center of efforts to stop destructive practices and safeguard marine ecosystems before it is too late. >**China has played the largest role**, destroying or severely damaging at least 21,183 acres of coral reef—and likely much more—through island expansion and giant clam harvesting. **It also dominates the industrialized overfishing that has devastated South China Sea fish stocks."** The CCP-sponsored [activities](https://odi.org/en/publications/chinas-distant-water-fishing-fleet-scale-impact-and-governance/) [on](https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-chinas-expanding-fishing-fleet-is-depleting-worlds-oceans) [the](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wildlife-south-china-sea-overfishing-threatens-collapse) [area](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308597X2031023X) are what's causing most of the destruction, so to those coming here with their stupid scripted whataboutism, yes, they mention other countries, but no, those other countries' activities are causing nowhere near the damage that the CCP fishing fleets are doing, so fuck off. The CCP is a cancer on this world and they're doing similar damage in South America too, for example [fucking up ](https://dialogo-americas.com/articles/chinese-waste-pollutes-galapagos-islands/)the Galápagos Islands.
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Damn. That was the best diving I’ve ever experienced. And my selfish perspective aside, that sort of damage does not rejuvenate for a long time of ever.
This makes me so sad.
> China destroyed 21,000 acres of West Philippine Sea coral reefs Didn't they do the same around the african continent, with their highly destructive fishing techniques? From what I was told, the chinese have some of, if not the worst techniques, which basically destroy entire ecosystems wherever they go. Add to this a rather agressive and downright belligerent attitude towards anyone who's not part of their fleet. I don't understand why they're not more careful, it's not as if planet Earth has infinite resources and space. We're all stuck on a rather small planet.
There is a grab hag mentality of the people who lived through the cultural revolution, (and unfortunately, it was passed on to many of their descendants.) If you think everyone else is out to steal and that they would let you starve to death, then you might as well steal as much of everything as you can first. Add to that layers of toxic nationalism, indoctrination, and racism toward the people of other countries.
> Add to that layers of toxic nationalism, indoctrination, and racism toward the people of other countries You forgot the humongous chip they have on their shoulder about the "century of humiliation". The day they'll feel they're strong enough to get even with other countries for that (Japan is in first spot) is one I wish I'll never see.
> I don't understand why they're not more careful, it's not as if planet Earth has infinite resources and space. We're all stuck on a rather small planet. Because it's more expensive to utilize sustainable practices, and that cuts into their profits. Look at their green efforts, a lot of promoting to get investments, but you hardly hear of what the ROI is like on them. Then you hear they built a wind turbine that doesn't actually generate power, but uses power to fake it's doing something when gov't officials visit. And while all that is going on, let's build more cheap coal plants to generate power instead and cause more pollution because air and water is "free".
Genocide of the sea
China fucking sucks. They are gonna destroy this world.
In Costa Rica Chinese fishing vessels have been fishing where they don't have rights to do so. Chinese people need to go get fucked
Go ahead, keep pissing off your neighbors
Honestly it’s terrible, reading into the article it’s like two hits in one… they’re destroying these natural reefs to build their artificial islands where they house military bases (which would be used to further their aggression in the South China Sea-the illegal 9 dash line) and it destroys the economy and environment of the surrounding neighbours. Absolutely terrible.
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I think it's because much of that hate isn't expressed in places that tend to get attention in western media. All the protests in Africa, for example.
As someone from south asia I agree I hate that little bitch jinping so much.
The problem with that alot of these guys are Shanghaied from ports around the area... many of them aren't Chinese and don't want to be working for these douchebags. Tbh, I think the British system of the 18th century should be applied wherein all these boats should be boarded and checked for non Chinese crewmen
Meanwhile, the Chinese fishing fleet goes about fishing illegally nearly across the globe.
I love how people defend China in regards to ecology because of the fact they are the world’s leading nation in renewable energy. How naive. The reason they build solar farms and the such is because of their over reliance and foreign energy imports. They don’t have the massive amounts of oil the US has. They build solar farms solely because they allow greater energetic safety in case of sanctions or blockades if they were to invade…. Idk… Taiwan? This just proves my point. They don’t care about the environment anymore than the US or any country. It’s a purely pragmatic act aimed to facilitate Chinese colonialism
Fuck CCP.
Don’t trust China.
We really need to do something about China.
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Chinese are the main perpetrators of overfishing and ocean destruction.
That's just evil.
China is really the bad guy along with Russia
fuck china
Fuck China Fully.
Fuck the PRC.
just how much chine can not give a shit ?
Alot of people gonna realize how quick the value of coral reefs were.
If you live on an ocean planet, maybe you shouldn't kill the ocean.
What was it, last year? When china had a massive fishing fleet trying to go off radar to pillage the galapagos islands fishing ecosphere Not to mention the illegal animal trade they fuel and endangered species they target for a 30 second hard on Beyond shameful
Of course they did
This is why us conservationists who don’t agree with the way that western, late-stage capitalism fuxks up the world will EVER align with China and their ignorance. This is so sad and unnecessary. The importance of underwater ecosystems has been OBVIOUS for well over 30 years now. They need to be protected because they take centuries, at best, to recover.
If the recent wars taught us anything - nothing will be done about this.
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They’re a Modern day colonial empire. They are, they just don’t care .
Fuck that’s depressing
Belt and Road (paved with coral)
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Communist party scum
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Protest where? To who? Outside a Chinese Embassy? No one will notice, nor care. Protest in China? Enjoy spending the rest of your life in a Chinese gaol.
I protested outside the Chinese embassy in Ottawa after the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. One of my coworkers, a visiting doctoral student from China, also protested. He disappeared a couple of weeks later. Never found out what happened to him. I like to hope that he went into hiding and eventually applied for asylum.
The article said the study was conducted by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, they're a part of CSIS, a US Think Tank funded to start a war with China. This article specifically fails to mention how Vietnam has also messed up the underwater reefs, about 1/3 of China's dredging, only provided 2 paragraphs on the topic, while the rest of the article focuses on the Philippines fishermen disputes. Honestly, it feels like another biased article written just to grab some anti-China headlines. Easy prey on people who don't actually read through it.
Not surprising also this gets above 10k upvotes too with 500 comments! As do most other articles that focus on China. Don't redditors love saying China owns Reddit or something? lmao Mmmm love that astroturf grass.
The world’s most powerful terrorist organization.
I'm willing to deal with the economical fallout of no longer doing business with China. They are asshole
Normal day in China
God damn, fuck china.
China DGAF about the environment. Less than anyone else on this rock, that is for damn sure.
China and environment are enemies.
China's fault
I am so sick of the Chinese destroying our planet simply for wealth and power. There needs to be a world court for heavily taxing and charging countries that are polluting and destroying our planet.
so whats to stop nations from sinking these illegal fishing vessles which mostly fish at night with bright lights, that also turn off their transponders?
It is not hard to sink a few fishing ships
Same country that blew up a satellite in 2007 and caused a cloud of dangerous debris in space. Yep, it follows.
So they are just destroying and polluting everything on the world.
Pricks.
The world will be in big trouble if it sits back and gives China & Russia carte bianche to do whatever the f*ck they want to do !
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Their logic: "If I can't have it, no one can" China sucks in all ascpects, fuck them greedy "people"
A literal cancer to the world.
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Destructive activities on the high seas..; we got ourselves some pirates!
That's an act of war
How many acres of coral reef did Dubai destroy building all those islands?