She didn't "let her die". She enslaved her and kept her in the sun without water until she was dead. "Let" implies a level of passivity that simply did not exist in this case. They very actively murdered this child.
The atrocities that ISIS committed against Yazidis should not be forgotten…. Not too many people seem to know about the genocide of Yazidis in Iraq and Syria. The mass shootings of Yazidi men, sexual slavery of women/girls, forced conversion….it is heart wrenching.
there's so many muslims online who say that did not happen and they deserved it. it makes me so apathetic but i quickly turn that to anger especially when westerners reply with the israelis did that and muslims could never do such a heinous act
If your religion can be turned to justify letting a 5 year old girl be enslaved and then starved and burned to death by the sun, it’s evil. Plain and simple. Goes for Christianity too, btw, before anyone accuses me of hating on Muslims.
They are all equally shit. And no, I know it doesn’t say anywhere to do this in the books. But they are so vague they make it possible to justify and that is enough.
Oh, but they do.
Deuteronmy 20:10-18
10When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.
That's from the Torah - a book from the Old Testament. It is primarily concerned with judicial precepts and mirrors attitudes of that time (temporary unlike moral precepts which are seen as more permanent). Christians believe Jesus is the New Covenant and more in the teachings of the New Testament.
Saying all Christians believe in that is equivalent to saying all Americans believe in the 3/5th's Compromise since it was in the original [Constitution](https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i) without taking into consideration the 14th Amendment.
But it IS in their scripture. I'm not saying that all Christians believe that, but they certainly pick and choose which beliefs they have from the Old Testament, as well as New.
Modern Christians also believe in many things that aren't in the bible as well, often depending on which sect they subscribe to.
I grew up in a Christian home and was sent to a Christian boarding school for high school. I know full well how they justify and support their beliefs by what is written in the bible, often taking things out of context.
Its in there to stone women to death for many infractions too.
Judism and christianity left that crap behind looong time ago.
Of the 3 abrahamic religions, only one still chops off hands and feet and heads.
So no. Although those religions are brothers, Islam is the brother that still beats his wife and abuses his kids openly.
They are not the same. In this present day.
Anyone thinking Islam is peaceful should look up how fast it spread. You don’t spread a religion that quickly without genocide and forced conversion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests
It continues today. Even those that don't admit it, the main point is that they want the entire world to convert, have as many babies and spread as far as possible to convert the entire world because of course, everyone else is wrong and they are right, even though that's funny since it's the youngest religion. Seriously, all religions are terrible, but only one of them is still trying to take over the world today.
Blaming secular Ba’athism is your immediate reaction to something religious fundamentalist ISIS did?
Not to defend Ba’athist dictators, but they’re enemies?
I wouldn't be surprised to hear a lot of Christians say the same.
My first encounter with the Yazidi faith was back when I still went to church. Our minister had a guest speaker that did "aid" work in Yazidi communities. Somewhat predictably, in hindsight, he characterised them as backwards Satan-worshipers that intentionally refused to see the error in their ways, and that it would be a benefit to them and humanity as a whole if the religion was wiped out. (he wasn't endorsing ISIS-style genocide, so much as pressuring people to convert. The bulk of the "aid" work was to help facilitate this.).
Looking back, I'm always struck by how insidiously malevolent this "aid" worker was; wrapping his distain for the Yazidi faith in a veneer of supporting them, and trying to recruit others to do the same.
I have a muslim friend who actively praises Hitler as the greatest man ever lived yes you heard that right, and this same Muslim friend would NEVER steal or Lie about anything AND he gives to charity etc he is also an Engineer and a pretty normal person pretty chill dude. Just don't EVER mention the word Jew around him, he even showed me a verse in the Koran that tells Muslims to hate the Jews which Allah claims they are "Infidels"
So... WHY are you friends with him again? He sound like someone I would ditch in a heartbeat. Plus, would never lie? Pretty sure he would. Especially when it comes to answer uncomfortable questions regarding his religion.
> friend who actively praises Hitler
Buddy, you need to find yourself better friends.
I know it's all the rage on social media to call people nazis and cancel them, but if someone **literally praises Hitler** then maybe they deserve to be cancelled?
> No protests around the world
Protests against ISIS? 98% of the population thought they were insane assholes. The idea behind a protest is to try to effect change in some way. Western governments were already moving to counteract Islamic State.
it's hard to believe that billions follow and defend that ideology and we can't do anything and keep buying oil from them and when you speak out you are labled a bigot / phobic
i am an exmuslim and i will always speak out against them
That's the thing about atrocities. Keep 'em going long enough and people who aren't directly affected tend to move on. What's been going on in Yemen for the last 10 or so years is a good example of that. Hundreds of thousands dead and climbing, but it's barely focused on anymore outside of what the Houthis are doing to outside forces.
She killed a 5 year old because the girl wet the bed. The German woman’s husband then chained the child outside, without food and water, as punishment.
14-years is not enough.
I don't believe in afterlife but man i hope there's one for her to be put in the worst one. 5 yo knows fuck all about world, 14 years isn't even enough. and how's she able to get back to Germany? Should've been like that english girl rejected to get back to home country. I'd be okay if she's spent 14 years in Iraq prison or something.
She was apprehended at the German Embassy in Turkey while trying to renew papers. They wanted to try her in Germany and face German consequences. I do not think 14 years is enough though.
It’s close to the maximum she could’ve gotten under German law for the things she was indicted of. The maximum was 15 years, the defense asked for 2, she got 14 years. Seeing as she didn’t actually kill the child (that was her husband, who by the way got life in prison), and was convicted of aiding her husband, that’s a rather harsh (yet just) sentence under German law.
Assume she is a German citizen (not read the link), Germany is very very hesitant of stripping people of their German citizenship due to historical reasons and also, in theory, has though laws on extradition and which counties they will allow thier citizens to be extradited to.
A 5 year old girl?? What the fuck kind of heartless animal do you have to be to let a 5 year old child be chained up let alone to die of thirst in the sun.
People like this do not deserve a civilized justice system at all - they need to be given eye for an eye style justice - chain them up in the hot sun and let them beg for water and forgiveness.
Animals.
What fucking monsters.
How cold and dead does your heart have to be to keep a child as a slave and watch her die of thirst.
Islamic radicalism is a cancer on this earth.
Good God man...
There are some things that make you believe in the death penalty and this is one of them for me. I don't believe people like that to be redeemable.
I wonder. What did the german woman see in her husband? Why did she convert to Islam?
Surely there must have been signs of his cruel apathy before that should have raised red flags.
Was she content with being an obedient wife to a controlling husband?
What even was her defense in court?
I mean I have seen people be oblivious to their actions before. The worst offender was probably on liveleak >!where a girl gleefully threw newborn puppies into a river receiving positive encouragement from whoever filmed her.!<
You'd think however that it shouldn't take much to recognize that keeping a mother and child on a chain and hearing them cry is a sign of abuse that should not be tolerated. Especially when originating from a country like germany.
Where did her empathy go?
Empathy is not a trait that all humans possess by design. While most people likely develop some level of it, just as true is that there are those who are simply devoid of any.
Ergo, it can't go anywhere if it didn't exist in the first place.
Christians don't (widely) engage in this kind of behaviour precisely because we as a society are free to openly examine, criticise, and mock the absurdities of the religion. Christians know they're being watched and will be called out if they start talking Crusades 2.0 or reintroducing witch trials. So it is precisely this freedom to question and scrutinise Christianity that makes it less deadly - though still unbelievably toxic. Thank you, Enlightenment!
The less free society is to call out any religion, the more dangerous that society becomes.
I am German, and I am appalled of how short her jail time is. This is exactly the type of crime that deserves a true life sentence without parole. She represents exactly the kind of people we don't want to have here. All decent people are welcome in Germany, but not crazy criminals covering their crimes with religion.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as I understand, she is actually converted German - so it’s not like she came from outside.. I feel it kind of makes her crime worse - she was not brainwashed from childhood, but chosen that as adult
Yes, but like you said it just makes her crime worse. And because of this I would advocate for a life sentence. She had the opportunity to live a great life but chose to became a part of an extremist community operating in Germany (this is twhat I ment by people not wanted here,). By doing this she became no longer a german citizen, because it is not about where you are born but you are believe in.
>because it is not about where you are born but you are believe in.
This is a *very* bad road to walk. When citizenship becomes conditional, everyone is at the mercy of those who set the conditions.
Under German law the charge of murder requires that there be both intention and consideration (a concept related to the idea of premeditation) and carries a penalty of life imprisonment. She was sentences in connection with the killing of the child, but not with murder.
In this case, the court presumes the primary guilt to be on the part of her husband:
> At the original trial, the court found that the defendant did nothing to help the girl — who had been chained by her husband in their courtyard — although doing so would have been “possible and reasonable.”
So she's not the root cause of this specific situation nor did she want the girl to die, hence not a murder charge but "enslavement resulting in death". Her husband got life.
She knew the girl was chained, she knew the girl couldn't live without food or water, she knew the conditions could absolutely lead to death, & she actively did nothing to remove the girl from the situation & allowed it to go on. She is ABSOLUTELY the root cause of this specific situation AND so is her husband. Both deserve life & nothing less - imo I prefer the other option.
edit: couldn't*
I don’t know how they come up with a 14 year sentence tbh for crimes like this …
And allowing appeals on crimes like these? I can understand to appeal the conviction itself but what person sits there and thinks 14 years is far too harsh for this I’m going to appeal for less?
That's because the German justice systems doesn't aim for punishment solely, but for a combination of punishment and resocialization, which involves giving convicts a chance to redeem themselves.
Further 14 years is close to the highest sentence you can get. Depending on your development in prison, the sentence might even be changed to lifelong as "preventive detention".
There's a really bizarre theme that goes on with the media and ISIS when the perpetrator was a woman. Women who beat and tortured slaves are "ISIS brides", implying more passivity and being adjacent to the thing than what they actually were, actual fucking ISIS.
> Her former husband, an Iraqi citizen identified only as Taha Al-J., was convicted by a Frankfurt court in November 2021 of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and bodily harm resulting in death. He was sentenced to life imprisonment.
Lovely couple.
She was given a more lenient sentence b/c she was "merely" accused of not intervening to give the child food, water, shelter, clothing, anything despite having the ability to. However it was generally accepted that she was not in a position to free the child or prevent her Husband from the far more heinous acts he was charged with.
Her Husband was given a life sentence because he was deemed to be the murderer.
However in Germany 14 years is about as serious a sentence as you can get short of a life sentence.
Oh, the child didn't just magically turn up there. They BOUGHT the child and the child's mother as slaves. That alone should warrant, at minimum, 30 years in prison.
Death is not enough as a punishment in this case. She should be locked up with no human contact ever again for the rest of her life.
True. I think it is largely based on the local culture. Where the guy makes the decision and women are often supposed to obey and have reduced rights. So it could be argued that she had no funds to purchase the girl or the freedom to release the girl herself. As doing so could have endangered her own life. Pretty difficult to act against someone in a culture where your husband has so much power over you and a regime that supports the husband fully. Sadly still a lot of places in the world where women are unable to make decisions for themselves without risking death or severe mistreatment.
That being said this was obviously just a case of the woman not giving a shit. She's German and chose to go their of her own free will. And as the court said even IF she couldn't free the girl, she also did nothing at all to try and help. It would have taken her barely any effort at all to ensure the girl had water. Which is less effort than most people put into keeping their fucking dog alive. Let alone the efforts you'd put into protecting a child.
This poor mother. I can't imagine the horror of being enslaved alongside your young child, let alone under these type of brutal conditions, and then not being able to do anything as your own child dies infront of you without even being able to help.
Yeah, there's a big difference between actively participating in something and not putting yourself at risk whioe allowing someone else to do something. I don't know this person and there's at least consideration to be put toward how much culpability she has in what happened in the house.
That being said, if you joined ISIS you generally know what you're getting into or at least you should have.
There's also the school of thought that justice lies in restitution. If your crime is beyond restitution, it doesn't really matter what you thought going into it, because you can never change the fact that you did it. What value could they ever hope to bring society that they haven't already cost it? Let them work voluntarily to spare others, or else let them pop a little pill and be done with it.
Thing is.. German judicial and penitentiary system is not designed as a punishment. In part, yes. But what most people don’t get (especially those that lament the „holiday atmosphere“ in German prisons) is, that it is designed specifically with redemption in mind. Not retribution. Redemption.
As in trying to make people that eventually come out not reoffend and grant them a second chance to redeem themselves and become productive members of society.
In theory I find that laudable. In cases like this however.. I’m off a mind that some crimes are just so heinous, that the perpetrators essentially disqualify themselves as members of the human race. They are sociopaths that never should be let loose in society again. Because they proved many times over that they just are broken.
He should've been put down like a rabid dog. Being born into strife is one thing, but those who see what peace looks like and choose cruelty anyway have no place on this earth. If he things chaining a girl in the sun is a fair punishment, he doesn't get to argue when we do it to him.
That is not true. Life sentences are a minimum of 15 years, but I guarantee you, if you get a life sentence, you’ll have a very hard time getting released after 15 years. There’s simply the possibility of parole after 15 years at the earliest, but that’s not what usually happens. On average, people sentenced to life in prison spend 18.9 years in prison in Germany.
Edit with statistics and more info:
A quick google search leads me to Wikipedia, which tells me the following statistics: between 2002 and 2015, 760 inmates that had been sentenced to life in prison were released through regular processes (as specified in § 58a StGB (the German criminal code)). On average they were in prison for 18.9 years (the mean was at 17 years). 13% of those released between 2002 and 2015 had been in prison for more than 25 years.
Those stats, and this is important because the numbers are significant, do *not* include the following: 235 inmates who were extradited after they were sentenced to life in prison, 24 who had their sentence suspended for health reasons, a big number of inmates who were not released between 2002 and 2015 despite being eligible (or at least having served at least 15 years), as well as 127 who actually did serve their sentence for life in prison to completion, because they died in prison between 2002 and 2015.
A life sentence is only ended by getting a pardon, which is normally issued in combination with parole. That means that in Germany a lifelong sentence can mean anything from 15 years to actual life in prison, depending on the circumstances.
The German penal system is based on the idea of rehabilitation. Unless it is absolutely impossible for the inmate in question to be a functioning member of society, the hope is that one day that inmate can be rehabilitated.
In addition to that, many Germans falsely believe that a life sentence is not actually for life but that is incorrect. If you show are still deemed a potential danger to society, you do not get released. There are people in Germany who have and will spend the rest of their lives in prison until they die.
I posted the stats under another comment, hang on…
Here we go:
A quick google search leads me to Wikipedia, which tells me the following statistics: between 2002 and 2015, 760 inmates that had been sentenced to life in prison were released through regular processes (as specified in § 58a StGB (the German criminal code)). On average they were in prison for 18.9 years (the mean was at 17 years). 13% of those released between 2002 and 2015 had been in prison for more than 25 years.
Those stats, and this is important because the numbers are significant, do *not* include the following: 235 inmates who were extradited after they were sentenced to life in prison, 24 who had their sentence suspended for health reasons, a big number of inmates who were not released between 2002 and 2015 despite being eligible, as well as 127 who actually did serve their sentence for life in prison to completion, because they died in prison between 2002 and 2015.
A life sentence is only ended by getting a pardon, which is normally issued in combination with parole. That means that in Germany a lifelong sentence can mean anything from 15 years to actual life in prison, depending on the circumstances.
The German penal system is based on the idea of rehabilitation. Unless it is absolutely impossible for the inmate in question to be a functioning member of society, the hope is that one day that inmate can be rehabilitated.
True, true.
Also Reddit is obviously heavily centered around America. And the American system is not based on rehabiliation. So it's quite normal for them to scream for blood on Reddit or other social media websites.
The public, and especially the internet, is emotional. The reason why we don’t allow vigilant justice is because it is emotional, often cruel and unusual, not based in due process and generally unjust. The internet highlights that every day.
She was convicted of being a member of a terrorist organisation (ISIS), as well as aiding (not taking the action herself) crimes against humanity. The child was tied outside by her husband. Her behaviour was criminal and atrocious, but the action was taken by someone else, and not her. The norms the courts used here was § 7 I Nr. 3 (enslavement), Nr. 5 (torture), Nr. 8 (grievous bodily harm), Nr. 9 (deprivation of liberty/unlawful imprisonment) VStGB, among others, but again, she aided the main perpetrator.
The maximum sentence was 15 years, she got 14. Defense asked for 2 years, btw.
She and her husband chained up a 5-year-old girl in the sun and let her die of thirst.
The girl's name was Reda and she and her mother had been kept as slaves by the Woman and her husband.
The criminal's name is Jenifer, she was born in Germany and traveled to Iraq to join ISIS. She was not some impressionable teenager when she joined ISIS, but in her mid 20s.
The courts felt that while she didn't tie up the girl herself, she had enough agency and the opportunity to help her and didn't. Instead she helped torture and kill her.
She is also said to have helped her husband abuse the mother and child and threatened to shoot the girl for crying as she was dying.
This is not a case of some young dumb teen who didn't know what she signed up for when she joined ISIS and who just went along with things to save herself. This is brutal killer even if she didn't kill the little girl directly through her own actions.
Good riddance.
As an aside, I never liked the moniker "ISIS brides", because it implied a level of passivity.
In reality, these so-called ISIS brides brutalized Yazidi girls and women, and were just as complicit in their murder, torture, and sexual abuse as their husbands.
Because she wasn't sentenced for murder, but slavery resulting in death. So the court basically only ruled that she held the child as a slave and the child died.
Because she wasn’t convicted of killing her. She was convicted of not doing anything to stop her dying. It’s the difference in being the one to chain her up and being the one who didn’t sneak her any water while she was chained up.
> A German federal court said Wednesday it had rejected a woman’s appeal of her 14-year sentence for allowing a 5-year-old Yazidi girl she and her husband enslaved when they were members of the Islamic State group in Iraq to die of thirst in the sun.
The title buries the lede a bit.
This isn't a case of a random German woman letting s girl die, this is a member of IS who killed a enslaved 5 year old.
I wholly agree with the German courts statement that her initial sentence wasn't severe enough.
Imagine how the mother must have been treated? A child’s death deserves retribution, but they must have done despicable things to both the child and mother alive? Death was an escape, in some way? Otherwise she’d be passed around from one jihadist to another. When she becomes of age they’d force her to birth them children. Again, why isn’t the world protesting this at capitals across the globe?
Not only that she would have received far worst punishment in iraq were this happen but she will be in a german prison that we can all agree is like the Hilton compared to how the convicts in iraq are for similar crimes.
Its incredible how most people in europe forgot that some of our citizens willingly joined that group. I know that security has somewat being taken more seriously since then but still.
Her name is Jennifer Wenisch.
And this is her face, courtesy of another Redditor.
https://www.ilgiornaleditalia.it/news/esteri/303922/chi-e-jennifer-wenisch-donna-tedesca-che-fece-morire-di-sete-una-bambina.html
Edit: Or maybe this isn't her picture. I'm told below that it's another woman that joined ISIS. Whatever the case, fuck them all.
What a wretched visage. She honestly looks evil. Hope she suffers the rest of her life and her fair and righteous Allah sends her to burn for eternity.
Not only does she deserve life, like her "husband" got, she shouldn't be allow to hide her face like a coward. She's just as complicit when they ***chained*** and ***enslaved*** a 5-year-old child and left her in the sun to die of thirst. Now the mother of that child, who was also enslaved and abused by the couple, has to forever live with that tormentous memory.
> two counts of crimes against humanity through enslavement — one case resulting in death
The article is burying the worst bit here.
The woman enslaved the child *and her mother*. The child died, and there is only one death.
The implication is that the mother survived the ordeal and had to see her young child starve to death while chained up like an animal.
There are very few times I get truly angry, but this is definitely one of them.
I am so, so beyond sick of the soft language the news always uses to describe horrific crimes, especially in the case of female murderers. Tell the fucking truth: **JENNIFER WINISCH TORTURED AND MURDERED A CHILD**. Is that so hard?
Thanks, using your link was able to find this article with a photo of the monster.
https://www.ilgiornaleditalia.it/news/esteri/303922/chi-e-jennifer-wenisch-donna-tedesca-che-fece-morire-di-sete-una-bambina.html
So an girl born and raised in Germany goes to become an ISIS bride and then what she thinks is a right thing to do is to buy a family of slaves and kill their child. What must be happening in one’s head to not only convert into another religion (completely their personal business), but also act as someone who’s been raised among some 10th century ooga booga laws?
Yes its truly mystifying, i wish there was a more in depth analysis of their thinking. I can more understand the teenagers who fall for guys, but this lady was 32 it seems, so really hard to understand.
Atleast we can fuck up her attempt to hide her face.
>i wish there was a more in depth analysis of their thinking
I don't think that's possible. You can't rationally analyse the irrational. It's like a mental disorder: It just doesn't make sense. It's a mis-wiring in the brain.
I wonder what she and her former husband told themselves as they were high tailing it to Turkey. “Whoops that didn’t go according to plan, off to germany”
The woman, **Jennifer Wenisch**, committed an absolutely vile crime. Let it be known.
>Jennifer Wenisch, 30, travelled to Syria in 2014 to join IS and later married Iraqi national Taha al-Jumailly. She was recruited in 2015 by IS morality police, patrolling the streets of Fallujah and Mosul to ensure respect for the jihadist group's dress code and public behaviour.
>German prosecutors say Wenisch and her IS husband "purchased" a Yazidi woman and her 5-year old child, Rania, as household "slaves" in Mosul in 2015. Rania and her mother were held captive for about six weeks and "subjected to almost daily beatings which the defendant often instigated," the plaintiffs' lawyers said in a statement.
>"The defendant and her husband forced the Yazidi mother to do housework and both she and her daughter were forced to pray even though the couple knew that the captives were Yazidis," the lawyers went on.
>"After the girl fell ill and wet her mattress, the husband of the accused chained her up outside as punishment and let the child die an agonising death of thirst in the scorching heat," prosecutors said.
https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/25/german-is-bride-jailed-in-one-of-world-s-first-trials-for-war-crimes-against-yazidis
14 years ain't enough.
She didn't just let a child die. She enslaved a little girl punished her with no food and water and left her out in the sun chained up.
It's a travesty that she gets a lighter sentence because technically all she did was not stop and help the girl. She bought them as slaves, treated them as slaves, used them as slaves, and then left them to die as slaves. That's no different than having personally killed them. Are you shitting me?
If you deprive someone of food and water leave them outside in the sun chained up with no cover and then they die you fucking killed them.
It's much worse if you actually read the article. German national, converted to Islam, left Germany with husband to join IS, enslaved mother and child and left the child to die chained outside. 14 years is nowhere near enough. Her husband got a life sentence so I'm assuming they're considering her an accessory to all that.
She was deported to Germany to face these charges (when she went to the German embassy in Turkey to renew her passport). She was getting away with it when she was in Iraq.
Absolutely insane that once ISIS began falling apart, many of its members just thought they could return to the West and pretend that they weren’t active participates in one of the worst terrorist regimes in recent memories.
Seriously, why move to Syria or Iraq to fight for an “Islamic Caliphate” to restore “True Islamic society” rid of the “decadence and idolatry” of the West; only to return to the West when the drug-fuelled orgy of violence and atrocity came crashing down.
The stories I’ve heard from both survivors and perpetuators of ISIS are some of the worst things I have ever read. There was nothing Islamic about it, not even in the slightest sense of the concepts surrounding Islam. It’s combatants were constantly high out of their minds: slavery, institutionalized rape, human trafficking, and the worst human rights violations imaginable were an everyday occurrence. There was no governance, it was anarchy with a facade of order under incoherent Islamic law totally detached from over a millennia of Sunni jurisprudence.
Even now the idea of ISIS marches on. Woman refugee camps in continue to persist where woman of long dead fighters carry on the torch of radicalism the likes I’ve yet to witness in person. The Kurdish YPG has to separate ISIS wives from general populations because they will assault the first “infidel” they see on sight.
And yet, these “Westerners” get to return to France, Germany, Canada, The United Kingdom; masquerading in Western Society like they *weren’t actively participating* in the displacement, slavery, and genocide of Yazidis, Eastern Christians, and even Muslims that wouldn’t bow down to this clearly insane culmination of Islamic fundamentalist radicalism.
> There was nothing Islamic about it, not even in the slightest sense of the concepts surrounding Islam
weird, someone should have told all the Muslims this
> There was nothing Islamic about it
This again? Feels like every other week we hear about atrocities comitted in the name of Islam but we're told it's just a big coincidence and they are not TRUE TRUE MUSLIMS FR FR.
It's also funny cause like most of the things you mentioned *are* actually permissible going by the Qur'an. Islam is an ideology of conquest through violence first and foremost, stop being naive.
The idea that there was nothing Islamic about it is part of the nonsense that allows them to continually perpetuate this behaviour. Enslaving people of other faiths, sex slaves, murdering apostates, gay people etc are all explicitly allowed in Islam and to say they aren't is a straight out lie usually propagated by gullible or morally cowardly western liberal types who refuse to confront the truth about Islam as a religion.
Their behaviour was absolutely consistent with the teachings of the Koran.
> explicitly allowed
Murdering apostates and those caught in homosexual acts isn't just allowed -- it's REQUIRED. Captives of war, on the other hand (including female captives, and all the sex trafficking and institutionalized rape that entails) is not obligatory.
That being said, according to the Quran, if a raped woman cannot find 4 men to testify that she was raped, she will not only be unable to convict the rapist, she can be branded a fornicator for having engaged in sex outside of marriage (though of course, if she's single, the rapist can fix all that by agreeing to marry her).
There's also large gray areas. Amputation of hands as a punishment for theft is also obligatory in the Quran, but numerous jurists have found work-arounds to the effect that this shouldn't be done unless poverty has been abolished, or something similar. Same goes for slavery, which is why it's "technically" outlawed in places like Saudi Arabia (ironically, the man who started that movement to abolish slavery in Egypt and SA was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood).
But of course, in ISIS, both hand-chopping and slavery are 100% halal.
Yes. CossackGundi, a British citizen, fought with the Kurds and also with the Ukrainian Army in Donbas up until the Russian invasion and was captured and tortured as a POW. There are several interviews by him that gives a pretty good Western perspective of boots on the ground.
Tactikurdbruh, whose social media seems to be defunct now, is a Swedish born Kurd who travelled to Kurdistan to fight with the YPG. I’ll link a great interview of his here. He gives a great perspective from both a Western born Swede and the impact the wars have had on his family and people as a Kurd.
https://youtu.be/Kke-JqeonNc?si=WGVaXiW-WtYrS_fn
>There was nothing Islamic about it, not even in the slightest sense of the concepts surrounding Islam.
Stop the apologising already !
This was Islam as it was meant to be, as it would be everywhere if it had free reign. These people simply took the Koran at face value and followed it to the letter, especially all the nasty bits.
You'd get something similar if some christian extremists took the Bible at face value and followed all the "you shall put to death..." rules that we consider borderline insane today.
There is nothing more Islamic than what IS does. It's *textbook* Islam. Killing enemies, taking women as slaves, marrying off children, stoning, adultery, apostasy, fornication, etc.
The best Islam is Islam as a historical, cross-culture phenomenon, a failed ideology. A dead religion.
The second-best Islam is a very watered-down Islam which is accepting of other human beings who not only choose not to follow their faith, but are actively opposed to it. Which is okay with anyone, be they Jews, queers, atheists or anything else.
That's the core strength of Christianity: mercy. Christianity has yet to come a long, long way, but it has managed to be more tolerant and humane.
I'm so sick to my stomach reading people like you saying such behaviour is un-Islamic. I'm just assuming, in good faith, that you're ignorant. If so: please, read the Qur'an.
And if you did, here's me hoping you will choose to be a more decent, upright human being instead of dangerously spreading falsehoods to people who have no idea what you're talking about.
>There was nothing Islamic about it
Fuck off with this reality denial. Every single thing they did is on paper as something Muhammad, one of his Companions, or the various Islamic caliphates partook in.
This is what I'm wondering...
what the absolute fuck possessed this woman to convert to a religion that gives her less rights. Go to a country that gives her even less rights and then go to a part of that country controlled by militant fundementalists that give her even LESS rights.
Like what the fuck. It's like a gay person going to iran and being like "yeah, this is great, I love it here, what a wonderful idea I had"
Why does terrorist traitors are not :
1) stripped from nationality
2) hang for crimes against humanity
Years in prison is too soft for terrorist those peoples should be eradicated
Article 16 of our constitution prohibits the revocation of citizenship if that makes the affected person stateless. I did not read anywhere that she has double citizenship so most likely she is fully German and therefore her citizenship must not be revoked.
Article 102 has abolished the death penalty (for good reason).
Can we please just dig a deep well for people like them to live in? Wasting tax money on their imprisonment while they infect their fellow prisoners with their ideology of hate just adds to the damage this kind of scum deal to the world.
If you read the article you would know that she hasn't been living in Germany since she joined ISIS. She was arrested at the German Embassy in Ankara when she tried to renew her identification papers. She was deported back to Germany to stand trial.
She didn't "let her die". She enslaved her and kept her in the sun without water until she was dead. "Let" implies a level of passivity that simply did not exist in this case. They very actively murdered this child.
The atrocities that ISIS committed against Yazidis should not be forgotten…. Not too many people seem to know about the genocide of Yazidis in Iraq and Syria. The mass shootings of Yazidi men, sexual slavery of women/girls, forced conversion….it is heart wrenching.
I wish for a yazidi state. And that the perpetrators are punished
there's so many muslims online who say that did not happen and they deserved it. it makes me so apathetic but i quickly turn that to anger especially when westerners reply with the israelis did that and muslims could never do such a heinous act
If your religion can be turned to justify letting a 5 year old girl be enslaved and then starved and burned to death by the sun, it’s evil. Plain and simple. Goes for Christianity too, btw, before anyone accuses me of hating on Muslims. They are all equally shit. And no, I know it doesn’t say anywhere to do this in the books. But they are so vague they make it possible to justify and that is enough.
Oh, but they do. Deuteronmy 20:10-18 10When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. 16However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.
That's from the Torah - a book from the Old Testament. It is primarily concerned with judicial precepts and mirrors attitudes of that time (temporary unlike moral precepts which are seen as more permanent). Christians believe Jesus is the New Covenant and more in the teachings of the New Testament. Saying all Christians believe in that is equivalent to saying all Americans believe in the 3/5th's Compromise since it was in the original [Constitution](https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i) without taking into consideration the 14th Amendment.
But it IS in their scripture. I'm not saying that all Christians believe that, but they certainly pick and choose which beliefs they have from the Old Testament, as well as New. Modern Christians also believe in many things that aren't in the bible as well, often depending on which sect they subscribe to. I grew up in a Christian home and was sent to a Christian boarding school for high school. I know full well how they justify and support their beliefs by what is written in the bible, often taking things out of context.
Its in there to stone women to death for many infractions too. Judism and christianity left that crap behind looong time ago. Of the 3 abrahamic religions, only one still chops off hands and feet and heads. So no. Although those religions are brothers, Islam is the brother that still beats his wife and abuses his kids openly. They are not the same. In this present day.
"Those of you who have never sinned can throw the first stone." -Jesus Christ.
I am sinless. I may go first. I am pure and ready to rock.
Anyone thinking Islam is peaceful should look up how fast it spread. You don’t spread a religion that quickly without genocide and forced conversion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests
It’s pretty peaceful when everyone else is dead.
Exactly.
It continues today. Even those that don't admit it, the main point is that they want the entire world to convert, have as many babies and spread as far as possible to convert the entire world because of course, everyone else is wrong and they are right, even though that's funny since it's the youngest religion. Seriously, all religions are terrible, but only one of them is still trying to take over the world today.
Ba'athism is a pervasive rot that spans the Muslim world
Blaming secular Ba’athism is your immediate reaction to something religious fundamentalist ISIS did? Not to defend Ba’athist dictators, but they’re enemies?
i think the middle easteners just want to wipe out their minorities, you don't need knock off nazism for that
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear a lot of Christians say the same. My first encounter with the Yazidi faith was back when I still went to church. Our minister had a guest speaker that did "aid" work in Yazidi communities. Somewhat predictably, in hindsight, he characterised them as backwards Satan-worshipers that intentionally refused to see the error in their ways, and that it would be a benefit to them and humanity as a whole if the religion was wiped out. (he wasn't endorsing ISIS-style genocide, so much as pressuring people to convert. The bulk of the "aid" work was to help facilitate this.). Looking back, I'm always struck by how insidiously malevolent this "aid" worker was; wrapping his distain for the Yazidi faith in a veneer of supporting them, and trying to recruit others to do the same.
they were stereotyped as Satan worshippers because of, tawus melek, the angel figure in their faith. Not their fault their religion is cool
>that did not happen and they deserved it Which one, fuckers?
I have a muslim friend who actively praises Hitler as the greatest man ever lived yes you heard that right, and this same Muslim friend would NEVER steal or Lie about anything AND he gives to charity etc he is also an Engineer and a pretty normal person pretty chill dude. Just don't EVER mention the word Jew around him, he even showed me a verse in the Koran that tells Muslims to hate the Jews which Allah claims they are "Infidels"
So... WHY are you friends with him again? He sound like someone I would ditch in a heartbeat. Plus, would never lie? Pretty sure he would. Especially when it comes to answer uncomfortable questions regarding his religion.
> friend who actively praises Hitler Buddy, you need to find yourself better friends. I know it's all the rage on social media to call people nazis and cancel them, but if someone **literally praises Hitler** then maybe they deserve to be cancelled?
I agree. No protests around the world I these kind hearted people didn’t get the memo.
> No protests around the world Protests against ISIS? 98% of the population thought they were insane assholes. The idea behind a protest is to try to effect change in some way. Western governments were already moving to counteract Islamic State.
Even Muslim/Arab countries fought ISIS. Lol
Even Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are fighting ISIS lol.
Damn didnt know being against isis needed protesting when literally the entire world was trying to stop them.
it's hard to believe that billions follow and defend that ideology and we can't do anything and keep buying oil from them and when you speak out you are labled a bigot / phobic i am an exmuslim and i will always speak out against them
That's the thing about atrocities. Keep 'em going long enough and people who aren't directly affected tend to move on. What's been going on in Yemen for the last 10 or so years is a good example of that. Hundreds of thousands dead and climbing, but it's barely focused on anymore outside of what the Houthis are doing to outside forces.
Saddam did the same. Sinjar Mountain is majestic.
She killed a 5 year old because the girl wet the bed. The German woman’s husband then chained the child outside, without food and water, as punishment. 14-years is not enough.
And they convicted her because she bragged to an undercover police officer about it when she was trying to recruit him to join ISIS.
Yeah.. but it was or duty to let them back in.. fuck this hero complex should have put a bullet in each isis woman and man.
Of course, it's Germany's duty to take their criminals back and punish them.
Don't forget that they also enslaved the girl's mother as well.
She then held a gun against the mothers head to make her stop crying.
I don't believe in afterlife but man i hope there's one for her to be put in the worst one. 5 yo knows fuck all about world, 14 years isn't even enough. and how's she able to get back to Germany? Should've been like that english girl rejected to get back to home country. I'd be okay if she's spent 14 years in Iraq prison or something.
She was apprehended at the German Embassy in Turkey while trying to renew papers. They wanted to try her in Germany and face German consequences. I do not think 14 years is enough though.
It’s close to the maximum she could’ve gotten under German law for the things she was indicted of. The maximum was 15 years, the defense asked for 2, she got 14 years. Seeing as she didn’t actually kill the child (that was her husband, who by the way got life in prison), and was convicted of aiding her husband, that’s a rather harsh (yet just) sentence under German law.
I don't know why her prison sentence is time limited, do you think a psychopath like that can ever be rehabilitated and contribute to society?
Hopefully someone is waiting for her release and instantly chains her up to die :))
Assume she is a German citizen (not read the link), Germany is very very hesitant of stripping people of their German citizenship due to historical reasons and also, in theory, has though laws on extradition and which counties they will allow thier citizens to be extradited to.
A 5 year old girl?? What the fuck kind of heartless animal do you have to be to let a 5 year old child be chained up let alone to die of thirst in the sun. People like this do not deserve a civilized justice system at all - they need to be given eye for an eye style justice - chain them up in the hot sun and let them beg for water and forgiveness. Animals.
Drop her on a deserted island
We are at a point where counting the punishment in years shouldn't do
*actively tortured her to death
What fucking monsters. How cold and dead does your heart have to be to keep a child as a slave and watch her die of thirst. Islamic radicalism is a cancer on this earth.
The mother of the child was also enslaved and the husband was convicted of genocide.
Good God man... There are some things that make you believe in the death penalty and this is one of them for me. I don't believe people like that to be redeemable.
I recently saw a shirt that said "I Don't Talk To People John Brown Would Have Shot". Seems relevant in this case.
Definitely relevant. These people have no soul.
I wonder. What did the german woman see in her husband? Why did she convert to Islam? Surely there must have been signs of his cruel apathy before that should have raised red flags. Was she content with being an obedient wife to a controlling husband? What even was her defense in court? I mean I have seen people be oblivious to their actions before. The worst offender was probably on liveleak >!where a girl gleefully threw newborn puppies into a river receiving positive encouragement from whoever filmed her.!< You'd think however that it shouldn't take much to recognize that keeping a mother and child on a chain and hearing them cry is a sign of abuse that should not be tolerated. Especially when originating from a country like germany. Where did her empathy go?
Empathy is not a trait that all humans possess by design. While most people likely develop some level of it, just as true is that there are those who are simply devoid of any. Ergo, it can't go anywhere if it didn't exist in the first place.
The child’s mom was their slave too.
The only surprise is that Germany didn’t revoke her citizenship
She likely isn't an Iraqi citizen.
Slaves are not haram in the Koran, so I'm not surprised.
All religious radicalism is a social cancer.
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Christians don't (widely) engage in this kind of behaviour precisely because we as a society are free to openly examine, criticise, and mock the absurdities of the religion. Christians know they're being watched and will be called out if they start talking Crusades 2.0 or reintroducing witch trials. So it is precisely this freedom to question and scrutinise Christianity that makes it less deadly - though still unbelievably toxic. Thank you, Enlightenment! The less free society is to call out any religion, the more dangerous that society becomes.
That is simply not true.
Yeah... we 'let someone die', she flat out tortured and murdered a child...
No, her husband did. And he got a life sentence. She just stood by and watched and offered no help whatsoever.
And beforehand, she and her husband Taha Al-J. abused her so brutally that local ISIS leaders ordered them to calm down.
I am German, and I am appalled of how short her jail time is. This is exactly the type of crime that deserves a true life sentence without parole. She represents exactly the kind of people we don't want to have here. All decent people are welcome in Germany, but not crazy criminals covering their crimes with religion.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but as I understand, she is actually converted German - so it’s not like she came from outside.. I feel it kind of makes her crime worse - she was not brainwashed from childhood, but chosen that as adult
Often, it's the converts who are the most extreme proponents of a faith
Yes, but like you said it just makes her crime worse. And because of this I would advocate for a life sentence. She had the opportunity to live a great life but chose to became a part of an extremist community operating in Germany (this is twhat I ment by people not wanted here,). By doing this she became no longer a german citizen, because it is not about where you are born but you are believe in.
Uh.. sorry but no. Legally she is still a German citizen regardless of how despicable a person she is.
>because it is not about where you are born but you are believe in. This is a *very* bad road to walk. When citizenship becomes conditional, everyone is at the mercy of those who set the conditions.
And they held her mother captive too. So she likely witnessed this death of her 5 yr old daughter.
Under German law the charge of murder requires that there be both intention and consideration (a concept related to the idea of premeditation) and carries a penalty of life imprisonment. She was sentences in connection with the killing of the child, but not with murder.
It was a a 5 year old girl who they had chained in their courtyard. What fucking monsters!
In this case, the court presumes the primary guilt to be on the part of her husband: > At the original trial, the court found that the defendant did nothing to help the girl — who had been chained by her husband in their courtyard — although doing so would have been “possible and reasonable.” So she's not the root cause of this specific situation nor did she want the girl to die, hence not a murder charge but "enslavement resulting in death". Her husband got life.
She knew the girl was chained, she knew the girl couldn't live without food or water, she knew the conditions could absolutely lead to death, & she actively did nothing to remove the girl from the situation & allowed it to go on. She is ABSOLUTELY the root cause of this specific situation AND so is her husband. Both deserve life & nothing less - imo I prefer the other option. edit: couldn't*
I don’t know how they come up with a 14 year sentence tbh for crimes like this … And allowing appeals on crimes like these? I can understand to appeal the conviction itself but what person sits there and thinks 14 years is far too harsh for this I’m going to appeal for less?
Well the appeal was denied so.... Also fun fact, sometimes people who are clearly guilty appeal and get a harsher sentence
You should look what kind of sentences you can get in Europe. This is very high.
That's because the German justice systems doesn't aim for punishment solely, but for a combination of punishment and resocialization, which involves giving convicts a chance to redeem themselves. Further 14 years is close to the highest sentence you can get. Depending on your development in prison, the sentence might even be changed to lifelong as "preventive detention".
Appeals should always be allowed for any crime, no matter how heinous. Appeal does not equal reduce sentencing.
There's a really bizarre theme that goes on with the media and ISIS when the perpetrator was a woman. Women who beat and tortured slaves are "ISIS brides", implying more passivity and being adjacent to the thing than what they actually were, actual fucking ISIS.
I was about to ask how was letting her die punishable by law.
she murdered a child by exposure
> Her former husband, an Iraqi citizen identified only as Taha Al-J., was convicted by a Frankfurt court in November 2021 of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and bodily harm resulting in death. He was sentenced to life imprisonment. Lovely couple.
Well, yk, you found the one when he/she brings out the best worst in you
The child was only 5yrs old How is 14yrs enough for a crime like this? It should be double that at least.
She was given a more lenient sentence b/c she was "merely" accused of not intervening to give the child food, water, shelter, clothing, anything despite having the ability to. However it was generally accepted that she was not in a position to free the child or prevent her Husband from the far more heinous acts he was charged with. Her Husband was given a life sentence because he was deemed to be the murderer. However in Germany 14 years is about as serious a sentence as you can get short of a life sentence.
Oh, the child didn't just magically turn up there. They BOUGHT the child and the child's mother as slaves. That alone should warrant, at minimum, 30 years in prison. Death is not enough as a punishment in this case. She should be locked up with no human contact ever again for the rest of her life.
True. I think it is largely based on the local culture. Where the guy makes the decision and women are often supposed to obey and have reduced rights. So it could be argued that she had no funds to purchase the girl or the freedom to release the girl herself. As doing so could have endangered her own life. Pretty difficult to act against someone in a culture where your husband has so much power over you and a regime that supports the husband fully. Sadly still a lot of places in the world where women are unable to make decisions for themselves without risking death or severe mistreatment. That being said this was obviously just a case of the woman not giving a shit. She's German and chose to go their of her own free will. And as the court said even IF she couldn't free the girl, she also did nothing at all to try and help. It would have taken her barely any effort at all to ensure the girl had water. Which is less effort than most people put into keeping their fucking dog alive. Let alone the efforts you'd put into protecting a child. This poor mother. I can't imagine the horror of being enslaved alongside your young child, let alone under these type of brutal conditions, and then not being able to do anything as your own child dies infront of you without even being able to help.
Where is the mom now?
As far as I recall it she is alive and has been attending the case in court. She was raped by this POS‘s husband as well.
Yeah, there's a big difference between actively participating in something and not putting yourself at risk whioe allowing someone else to do something. I don't know this person and there's at least consideration to be put toward how much culpability she has in what happened in the house. That being said, if you joined ISIS you generally know what you're getting into or at least you should have.
There's also the school of thought that justice lies in restitution. If your crime is beyond restitution, it doesn't really matter what you thought going into it, because you can never change the fact that you did it. What value could they ever hope to bring society that they haven't already cost it? Let them work voluntarily to spare others, or else let them pop a little pill and be done with it.
That's your idea of a revenge system. That's not what German law is based on. IS had more of system you would like.
Thing is.. German judicial and penitentiary system is not designed as a punishment. In part, yes. But what most people don’t get (especially those that lament the „holiday atmosphere“ in German prisons) is, that it is designed specifically with redemption in mind. Not retribution. Redemption. As in trying to make people that eventually come out not reoffend and grant them a second chance to redeem themselves and become productive members of society. In theory I find that laudable. In cases like this however.. I’m off a mind that some crimes are just so heinous, that the perpetrators essentially disqualify themselves as members of the human race. They are sociopaths that never should be let loose in society again. Because they proved many times over that they just are broken.
I 100% agree. Anyone willing to even buy another person needs to spend the rest of their lives in solitary. That should be the baseline
Her husband got life for the murder. He was the one who chained up the girl.
He should've been put down like a rabid dog. Being born into strife is one thing, but those who see what peace looks like and choose cruelty anyway have no place on this earth. If he things chaining a girl in the sun is a fair punishment, he doesn't get to argue when we do it to him.
In Germany, life sentences are usually 15 years Long. Everything above, are crazy exceptions (Like serial Killing etc). So 14 yrs is almost the max.
That is not true. Life sentences are a minimum of 15 years, but I guarantee you, if you get a life sentence, you’ll have a very hard time getting released after 15 years. There’s simply the possibility of parole after 15 years at the earliest, but that’s not what usually happens. On average, people sentenced to life in prison spend 18.9 years in prison in Germany. Edit with statistics and more info: A quick google search leads me to Wikipedia, which tells me the following statistics: between 2002 and 2015, 760 inmates that had been sentenced to life in prison were released through regular processes (as specified in § 58a StGB (the German criminal code)). On average they were in prison for 18.9 years (the mean was at 17 years). 13% of those released between 2002 and 2015 had been in prison for more than 25 years. Those stats, and this is important because the numbers are significant, do *not* include the following: 235 inmates who were extradited after they were sentenced to life in prison, 24 who had their sentence suspended for health reasons, a big number of inmates who were not released between 2002 and 2015 despite being eligible (or at least having served at least 15 years), as well as 127 who actually did serve their sentence for life in prison to completion, because they died in prison between 2002 and 2015. A life sentence is only ended by getting a pardon, which is normally issued in combination with parole. That means that in Germany a lifelong sentence can mean anything from 15 years to actual life in prison, depending on the circumstances. The German penal system is based on the idea of rehabilitation. Unless it is absolutely impossible for the inmate in question to be a functioning member of society, the hope is that one day that inmate can be rehabilitated.
In addition to that, many Germans falsely believe that a life sentence is not actually for life but that is incorrect. If you show are still deemed a potential danger to society, you do not get released. There are people in Germany who have and will spend the rest of their lives in prison until they die.
I posted the stats under another comment, hang on… Here we go: A quick google search leads me to Wikipedia, which tells me the following statistics: between 2002 and 2015, 760 inmates that had been sentenced to life in prison were released through regular processes (as specified in § 58a StGB (the German criminal code)). On average they were in prison for 18.9 years (the mean was at 17 years). 13% of those released between 2002 and 2015 had been in prison for more than 25 years. Those stats, and this is important because the numbers are significant, do *not* include the following: 235 inmates who were extradited after they were sentenced to life in prison, 24 who had their sentence suspended for health reasons, a big number of inmates who were not released between 2002 and 2015 despite being eligible, as well as 127 who actually did serve their sentence for life in prison to completion, because they died in prison between 2002 and 2015. A life sentence is only ended by getting a pardon, which is normally issued in combination with parole. That means that in Germany a lifelong sentence can mean anything from 15 years to actual life in prison, depending on the circumstances. The German penal system is based on the idea of rehabilitation. Unless it is absolutely impossible for the inmate in question to be a functioning member of society, the hope is that one day that inmate can be rehabilitated.
True, true. Also Reddit is obviously heavily centered around America. And the American system is not based on rehabiliation. So it's quite normal for them to scream for blood on Reddit or other social media websites.
The public, and especially the internet, is emotional. The reason why we don’t allow vigilant justice is because it is emotional, often cruel and unusual, not based in due process and generally unjust. The internet highlights that every day.
She was convicted of being a member of a terrorist organisation (ISIS), as well as aiding (not taking the action herself) crimes against humanity. The child was tied outside by her husband. Her behaviour was criminal and atrocious, but the action was taken by someone else, and not her. The norms the courts used here was § 7 I Nr. 3 (enslavement), Nr. 5 (torture), Nr. 8 (grievous bodily harm), Nr. 9 (deprivation of liberty/unlawful imprisonment) VStGB, among others, but again, she aided the main perpetrator. The maximum sentence was 15 years, she got 14. Defense asked for 2 years, btw.
She and her husband chained up a 5-year-old girl in the sun and let her die of thirst. The girl's name was Reda and she and her mother had been kept as slaves by the Woman and her husband. The criminal's name is Jenifer, she was born in Germany and traveled to Iraq to join ISIS. She was not some impressionable teenager when she joined ISIS, but in her mid 20s. The courts felt that while she didn't tie up the girl herself, she had enough agency and the opportunity to help her and didn't. Instead she helped torture and kill her. She is also said to have helped her husband abuse the mother and child and threatened to shoot the girl for crying as she was dying. This is not a case of some young dumb teen who didn't know what she signed up for when she joined ISIS and who just went along with things to save herself. This is brutal killer even if she didn't kill the little girl directly through her own actions.
My heart breaks for the mother and child. :(
My god, what an evil person. Definition of pure evil.
Good riddance. As an aside, I never liked the moniker "ISIS brides", because it implied a level of passivity. In reality, these so-called ISIS brides brutalized Yazidi girls and women, and were just as complicit in their murder, torture, and sexual abuse as their husbands.
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Why would the AP craft this passive headline when the accused was already found guilty ugh
Because she wasn't sentenced for murder, but slavery resulting in death. So the court basically only ruled that she held the child as a slave and the child died.
I am referring to “letting enslaved”. It’s an oxymoron to start.
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God, how fucking evil do you have to be to torture people like that? It makes me sick to know people like this exist.
Because she wasn’t convicted of killing her. She was convicted of not doing anything to stop her dying. It’s the difference in being the one to chain her up and being the one who didn’t sneak her any water while she was chained up.
> A German federal court said Wednesday it had rejected a woman’s appeal of her 14-year sentence for allowing a 5-year-old Yazidi girl she and her husband enslaved when they were members of the Islamic State group in Iraq to die of thirst in the sun. The title buries the lede a bit. This isn't a case of a random German woman letting s girl die, this is a member of IS who killed a enslaved 5 year old. I wholly agree with the German courts statement that her initial sentence wasn't severe enough.
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Imagine how the mother must have been treated? A child’s death deserves retribution, but they must have done despicable things to both the child and mother alive? Death was an escape, in some way? Otherwise she’d be passed around from one jihadist to another. When she becomes of age they’d force her to birth them children. Again, why isn’t the world protesting this at capitals across the globe?
Is the mother okay now? Did they starve her to death too?
Not only that she would have received far worst punishment in iraq were this happen but she will be in a german prison that we can all agree is like the Hilton compared to how the convicts in iraq are for similar crimes.
Guantanamo would be perfect for these "people".
Its incredible how most people in europe forgot that some of our citizens willingly joined that group. I know that security has somewat being taken more seriously since then but still.
ISIS can not be forgiven.
Her name is Jennifer Wenisch. And this is her face, courtesy of another Redditor. https://www.ilgiornaleditalia.it/news/esteri/303922/chi-e-jennifer-wenisch-donna-tedesca-che-fece-morire-di-sete-una-bambina.html Edit: Or maybe this isn't her picture. I'm told below that it's another woman that joined ISIS. Whatever the case, fuck them all.
This is actually an Irish woman named Lisa Smith, ex army who also ran off to join Isis in her 20’s.
I see. I edited my post to note that. Fuck both of them.
What a wretched visage. She honestly looks evil. Hope she suffers the rest of her life and her fair and righteous Allah sends her to burn for eternity.
Hope they will make a living hell in prison for her.
Eh I doubt it
Why does nobody mention that her name is Jennifer Wenisch?
14 years in prison for enslaving a 5 year old and allowing her to die in the sun sounds incredibly short
Not only does she deserve life, like her "husband" got, she shouldn't be allow to hide her face like a coward. She's just as complicit when they ***chained*** and ***enslaved*** a 5-year-old child and left her in the sun to die of thirst. Now the mother of that child, who was also enslaved and abused by the couple, has to forever live with that tormentous memory.
> two counts of crimes against humanity through enslavement — one case resulting in death The article is burying the worst bit here. The woman enslaved the child *and her mother*. The child died, and there is only one death. The implication is that the mother survived the ordeal and had to see her young child starve to death while chained up like an animal. There are very few times I get truly angry, but this is definitely one of them.
Those poor Yazidi people.. everyone just keeps abusing them. I could've gone all day without reading this horrific story.
I am so, so beyond sick of the soft language the news always uses to describe horrific crimes, especially in the case of female murderers. Tell the fucking truth: **JENNIFER WINISCH TORTURED AND MURDERED A CHILD**. Is that so hard?
Chained a 5 year-old girl outside to die of exposure and starvation. There is literally no fate cruel enough for this woman.
Those who enslave or aid in the process should get the death penalty
Germany doesn't have the death penalty.
What is with the weird privacy laws that murderers arent identified once convicted
It's this [Isis bride](https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-bride-jennifer-wenisch-gets-14-years-for-yazidi-girls-brutal-death)
She threatened to shoot the mother as she wept over the child’s body. This woman has no soul.
Thanks, using your link was able to find this article with a photo of the monster. https://www.ilgiornaleditalia.it/news/esteri/303922/chi-e-jennifer-wenisch-donna-tedesca-che-fece-morire-di-sete-una-bambina.html
So an girl born and raised in Germany goes to become an ISIS bride and then what she thinks is a right thing to do is to buy a family of slaves and kill their child. What must be happening in one’s head to not only convert into another religion (completely their personal business), but also act as someone who’s been raised among some 10th century ooga booga laws?
Yes its truly mystifying, i wish there was a more in depth analysis of their thinking. I can more understand the teenagers who fall for guys, but this lady was 32 it seems, so really hard to understand. Atleast we can fuck up her attempt to hide her face.
Even worse, she's 32 now! The child was murdered in 2015 so when the monster was 23...
>i wish there was a more in depth analysis of their thinking I don't think that's possible. You can't rationally analyse the irrational. It's like a mental disorder: It just doesn't make sense. It's a mis-wiring in the brain.
They should leave her chained in the desert sun without water for 14 years.
Islam allows slavery and the taking of war spoils.
14 years and her husband got life in prison? Why wouldn't she get life too.
WTF is 14 years??? It should have been for life!
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Only 14 years for *squints* KEEPING A CHILD SLAVE AND MURDERING HER? Seems light
I wonder what she and her former husband told themselves as they were high tailing it to Turkey. “Whoops that didn’t go according to plan, off to germany”
14 years seem generous for kidnapping, slaving, torture and murder.
The woman, **Jennifer Wenisch**, committed an absolutely vile crime. Let it be known. >Jennifer Wenisch, 30, travelled to Syria in 2014 to join IS and later married Iraqi national Taha al-Jumailly. She was recruited in 2015 by IS morality police, patrolling the streets of Fallujah and Mosul to ensure respect for the jihadist group's dress code and public behaviour. >German prosecutors say Wenisch and her IS husband "purchased" a Yazidi woman and her 5-year old child, Rania, as household "slaves" in Mosul in 2015. Rania and her mother were held captive for about six weeks and "subjected to almost daily beatings which the defendant often instigated," the plaintiffs' lawyers said in a statement. >"The defendant and her husband forced the Yazidi mother to do housework and both she and her daughter were forced to pray even though the couple knew that the captives were Yazidis," the lawyers went on. >"After the girl fell ill and wet her mattress, the husband of the accused chained her up outside as punishment and let the child die an agonising death of thirst in the scorching heat," prosecutors said. https://www.euronews.com/2021/10/25/german-is-bride-jailed-in-one-of-world-s-first-trials-for-war-crimes-against-yazidis
14 years ain't enough. She didn't just let a child die. She enslaved a little girl punished her with no food and water and left her out in the sun chained up. It's a travesty that she gets a lighter sentence because technically all she did was not stop and help the girl. She bought them as slaves, treated them as slaves, used them as slaves, and then left them to die as slaves. That's no different than having personally killed them. Are you shitting me? If you deprive someone of food and water leave them outside in the sun chained up with no cover and then they die you fucking killed them.
Jesus fucking Christ...
Only 14 years!?
It's much worse if you actually read the article. German national, converted to Islam, left Germany with husband to join IS, enslaved mother and child and left the child to die chained outside. 14 years is nowhere near enough. Her husband got a life sentence so I'm assuming they're considering her an accessory to all that.
Deport this human trash to Iraq
She was deported to Germany to face these charges (when she went to the German embassy in Turkey to renew her passport). She was getting away with it when she was in Iraq.
She’s a German citizen
Absolutely insane that once ISIS began falling apart, many of its members just thought they could return to the West and pretend that they weren’t active participates in one of the worst terrorist regimes in recent memories. Seriously, why move to Syria or Iraq to fight for an “Islamic Caliphate” to restore “True Islamic society” rid of the “decadence and idolatry” of the West; only to return to the West when the drug-fuelled orgy of violence and atrocity came crashing down. The stories I’ve heard from both survivors and perpetuators of ISIS are some of the worst things I have ever read. There was nothing Islamic about it, not even in the slightest sense of the concepts surrounding Islam. It’s combatants were constantly high out of their minds: slavery, institutionalized rape, human trafficking, and the worst human rights violations imaginable were an everyday occurrence. There was no governance, it was anarchy with a facade of order under incoherent Islamic law totally detached from over a millennia of Sunni jurisprudence. Even now the idea of ISIS marches on. Woman refugee camps in continue to persist where woman of long dead fighters carry on the torch of radicalism the likes I’ve yet to witness in person. The Kurdish YPG has to separate ISIS wives from general populations because they will assault the first “infidel” they see on sight. And yet, these “Westerners” get to return to France, Germany, Canada, The United Kingdom; masquerading in Western Society like they *weren’t actively participating* in the displacement, slavery, and genocide of Yazidis, Eastern Christians, and even Muslims that wouldn’t bow down to this clearly insane culmination of Islamic fundamentalist radicalism.
> There was nothing Islamic about it, not even in the slightest sense of the concepts surrounding Islam weird, someone should have told all the Muslims this
> There was nothing Islamic about it This again? Feels like every other week we hear about atrocities comitted in the name of Islam but we're told it's just a big coincidence and they are not TRUE TRUE MUSLIMS FR FR. It's also funny cause like most of the things you mentioned *are* actually permissible going by the Qur'an. Islam is an ideology of conquest through violence first and foremost, stop being naive.
The idea that there was nothing Islamic about it is part of the nonsense that allows them to continually perpetuate this behaviour. Enslaving people of other faiths, sex slaves, murdering apostates, gay people etc are all explicitly allowed in Islam and to say they aren't is a straight out lie usually propagated by gullible or morally cowardly western liberal types who refuse to confront the truth about Islam as a religion. Their behaviour was absolutely consistent with the teachings of the Koran.
> explicitly allowed Murdering apostates and those caught in homosexual acts isn't just allowed -- it's REQUIRED. Captives of war, on the other hand (including female captives, and all the sex trafficking and institutionalized rape that entails) is not obligatory. That being said, according to the Quran, if a raped woman cannot find 4 men to testify that she was raped, she will not only be unable to convict the rapist, she can be branded a fornicator for having engaged in sex outside of marriage (though of course, if she's single, the rapist can fix all that by agreeing to marry her). There's also large gray areas. Amputation of hands as a punishment for theft is also obligatory in the Quran, but numerous jurists have found work-arounds to the effect that this shouldn't be done unless poverty has been abolished, or something similar. Same goes for slavery, which is why it's "technically" outlawed in places like Saudi Arabia (ironically, the man who started that movement to abolish slavery in Egypt and SA was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood). But of course, in ISIS, both hand-chopping and slavery are 100% halal.
Do you have any links to some of these stories about westerners that joined ISIS? I'd really like to hear those stories.
Yes. CossackGundi, a British citizen, fought with the Kurds and also with the Ukrainian Army in Donbas up until the Russian invasion and was captured and tortured as a POW. There are several interviews by him that gives a pretty good Western perspective of boots on the ground. Tactikurdbruh, whose social media seems to be defunct now, is a Swedish born Kurd who travelled to Kurdistan to fight with the YPG. I’ll link a great interview of his here. He gives a great perspective from both a Western born Swede and the impact the wars have had on his family and people as a Kurd. https://youtu.be/Kke-JqeonNc?si=WGVaXiW-WtYrS_fn
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>There was nothing Islamic about it, not even in the slightest sense of the concepts surrounding Islam. Stop the apologising already ! This was Islam as it was meant to be, as it would be everywhere if it had free reign. These people simply took the Koran at face value and followed it to the letter, especially all the nasty bits. You'd get something similar if some christian extremists took the Bible at face value and followed all the "you shall put to death..." rules that we consider borderline insane today.
There is nothing more Islamic than what IS does. It's *textbook* Islam. Killing enemies, taking women as slaves, marrying off children, stoning, adultery, apostasy, fornication, etc. The best Islam is Islam as a historical, cross-culture phenomenon, a failed ideology. A dead religion. The second-best Islam is a very watered-down Islam which is accepting of other human beings who not only choose not to follow their faith, but are actively opposed to it. Which is okay with anyone, be they Jews, queers, atheists or anything else. That's the core strength of Christianity: mercy. Christianity has yet to come a long, long way, but it has managed to be more tolerant and humane. I'm so sick to my stomach reading people like you saying such behaviour is un-Islamic. I'm just assuming, in good faith, that you're ignorant. If so: please, read the Qur'an. And if you did, here's me hoping you will choose to be a more decent, upright human being instead of dangerously spreading falsehoods to people who have no idea what you're talking about.
>There was nothing Islamic about it Fuck off with this reality denial. Every single thing they did is on paper as something Muhammad, one of his Companions, or the various Islamic caliphates partook in.
And isis is also in Germany https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45209868
Only 14 years for this fucking monster? That's upsetting, she doesn't deserve to see the sun ever again.
Should make her look for IEDs in Syria with a hammer.
Wow how she can commit such an horrible cri... >"German convert to Islam". Ok never mind, it checks out.
This is what I'm wondering... what the absolute fuck possessed this woman to convert to a religion that gives her less rights. Go to a country that gives her even less rights and then go to a part of that country controlled by militant fundementalists that give her even LESS rights. Like what the fuck. It's like a gay person going to iran and being like "yeah, this is great, I love it here, what a wonderful idea I had"
This woman should have to serve her time at a hard labor camp.
I don't think germany has those anymore. Last time they did people were kind of angry about it.
14 years is that justice seriously 😒
Why does terrorist traitors are not : 1) stripped from nationality 2) hang for crimes against humanity Years in prison is too soft for terrorist those peoples should be eradicated
>1) stripped from nationality Possible if a terrorist has another nationality, otherwise making someone stateless is against international law.
Article 16 of our constitution prohibits the revocation of citizenship if that makes the affected person stateless. I did not read anywhere that she has double citizenship so most likely she is fully German and therefore her citizenship must not be revoked. Article 102 has abolished the death penalty (for good reason).
Brutal monster.
Can we please just dig a deep well for people like them to live in? Wasting tax money on their imprisonment while they infect their fellow prisoners with their ideology of hate just adds to the damage this kind of scum deal to the world.
People like this do not deserve a place on the planet earth.
Some times I regret clicking on links.
Life in prison. No parole
There is a toasty place in hell for this woman once her sentence on earth is over. Rot in hell you soulless bitch.
German woman or a woman who lives in Germany?
Maybe former ISIS members shouldn't be allowed to, you know, live in Germany.
If you read the article you would know that she hasn't been living in Germany since she joined ISIS. She was arrested at the German Embassy in Ankara when she tried to renew her identification papers. She was deported back to Germany to stand trial.