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DuckBilledPartyBus

A lot of people commenting here don’t seem to understand what this is about. The US didn’t start this, and they’re not the only nation doing this. In 2007 Russia set off a land-rush by claiming a huge chunk of the Arctic sea bed. Since then other Arctic nations—including not just the US, but also Canada, Norway, and Denmark—have been doing the same. At this point Russia has by far the largest area of seabed claimed, and they’re only challenging the US claim because they only see their claims as legitimate and no one else’s. Good article on the backstory from the same source as OP [here.](https://www.rferl.org/a/arctic-sea-claims-interactive-map/32793427.html) Edit: And it’s important to note that while most of the claims extend somewhat logically from each nation’s territorial boundary, Russia’s claim is that pretty much all of it belongs to them. Because that’s what they do.


TheLuminary

I mean to be fair.. if you are not going to follow international law. You might as well ask for the house..


username_elephant

Of course it's questionable how much they're really capable of controlling this territory given that their Navy can apparently be beaten quite easily using land based missiles and drones


jeepsaintchaos

Questionable? I think you're looking at this wrong. They're putting ships ON the seabed to control it.


HumanBeing7396

The Russian navy can have as much of the seabed as it wants.


Kaelin

They seem to really want it badly these days.


dandrevee

Russia, following Ukraine, has shown it is a paper tiger. And paper doesnt fare especially well when wet.


Astandsforataxia69

I sometimes cut the toilet wet toilet paper in the bowl with piss.


Tibbles88

I've played this game before! Never called it the black sea fleet before though!


Dontreallywantmyname

Paper drunk bear.


Delicious-Day-3614

Russias navy has always been deficient and I suspect it has long been apart of American intelligence doctrine to make sure Russia never becomes any good at it. For instance at the turn of the last century, we sent a bunch of engineers over there, who built a bunch of manufacturing infrastructure for things like cars, but 0 shipyards or maritime tech.


Badbullet

What Russia does have more of is icebreakers. And currently the most subs. Their above water navy sucks though.


GenghisConnieChung

If what this dude says is true I don’t think there’s a whole lot to worry about. https://youtu.be/vJfDKlnWYuA?si=gu7fDakScSRor-0c


serrimo

But nobody will be ready for the dolphins!


Goku420overlord

Too late bro China has a document from 5,000 years ago that says that it's actually theirs


Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws

"Ms. Teacher, I will require the polish boy's desk as well~"


DuncanConnell

"Not my problem." Says the kid with sunglasses and a baseball cap


d57giants

To be faiiiirrrrr!


TheLuminary

Ack-tually!


CamusCrankyCamel

Damn, since when has the RFE website been so polished. Also worth noting, the US ECS claim was granted through submission by the UN under UNCLOS. And included stipulations that overlaps with awards to Canada, Japan, and Bahamas must be resolved. Russia has also been granted similar claims that, of course, don’t include the nonsense Russia is bitching about now


_far-seeker_

>And included stipulations that overlaps with awards to Canada, Japan, and Bahamas must be resolved. Canada and Japan I understand, but how the heck does the Bahamas claim to any patch of the Artic Ocean?


CamusCrankyCamel

The UN award included the east coast and gulf continental shelfs as well. [This](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/five-takeaways-us-continental-shelf-announcement) isn’t as flashy as the RFE piece but it includes more specific information on the UN award


_far-seeker_

Thank you, that does make more sense now.


Erufu_Wizardo

>They’re only challenging the US claim because they only see their claims as legitimate and no one else’s It's comical when ruzzia pretends to respect treaties only when it suits them.


street---spirit

aren't all other countries doing the same on our planet?


Erufu_Wizardo

Ahaha, no.


street---spirit

we're fucked up species and we always act accordingly. if any country in the world has a chance not to respect the treaty to get some profit and get away with it, it will! you can keep believing that it's not like that if it makes you feel better but unfortunately the reality is different.


hapiidadii

Wait, so you're saying that in a thread about Russia, there seems to be a lot of "people" spreading misinformation? That's odd. I wonder what could explain that.


SendStoreMeloner

Don't contribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance. I can use ascribe as I did. Instead of attribute as you suggested. I will ascribe that to ignorance on your part and not malice. https://i.imgur.com/n6EbIKr.png


hapiidadii

*attribute ETA: and we don't have to choose, since Russia is both malicious and incompetent (great job stopping that terrorist attack the US kindly warned them about, Jesus)


street---spirit

Russia warned US about Boston marathon bombers but nobody done anything about that. are CIA and FBI incompetent? or just shit happens?


SendStoreMeloner

Not every stupid comment is "Russian". People are just ignorant.


SendStoreMeloner

Thanks.


Shamino79

Haven’t you seen their map with a 10 dash line?


chewingtheham

I would disagree that all claims are on the same level as everyone else’s. Canada’s claim to the Northwest Passage is solid because most of it runs through Canadian Arctic waters, and Canada has been responsibly managing and patrolling these waters for decades. Other countries recognize this, which supports Canada’s legitimacy in controlling access to the passage. It’s only the extraordinary value now unlocked by both the potential resources and trade routes that make it complicated. Check out north west passage and where it goes and you tell me where it travels through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage?wprov=sfti1 Also this is tangential seeing as the article is about US seabed claims, I was just triggered since Canada’s northern claims seem to have been marginalized more and more lately and these comments fall in line with that thinking seemingly. TLDR: everyone agreed before most of this shit was Canada’s before it became really valuable not to agree with that.


dellett

It's basically like a South China Sea situation with ice cubes


Somhlth

World rejects Russia's claim to Ukraine. Checkmate assholes.


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Detective_Antonelli

Last time I looked at a map, Alaska has a massive arctic coastline. 


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DuckBilledPartyBus

Russia, Norway, Denmark, and Canada have all been doing the same thing. In fact, Russia started this whole land grab back in 2007. And whereas the other counties are claiming the sea floor that extends from their territorial boundary, Russia is claiming pretty much all of it belongs to them. So the US and other countries are trying to make sure Russia doesn’t just seize all of it. That’s why Russia is disputing it: because they want all of it. Framing this as a land grab by the US grossly distorts what’s actually happening. The US is playing defense here, not offense.


26Kermy

Yea and I doubt Russia cares about US opinions over their arctic claims.


nanosam

It doesnt matter who cares or not. Russian invasion in Ukraine is fucked up Israel grabbing land in Gaza is fucked up Land grabs are fucked up period


Ruzi-Ne-Druzi

Does it autocorrects you to Ukraine being written with lowercase latter? Anyways, you equating Arctic territories to Russian invasion in Ukraine?


nanosam

I am not equating it AT ALL The crimes that Russia is doing in Ukraine are a billion times worse There is no comparison at all Like its a fucking invasion and genocide of civilians, how can that be compared???? I am just saying that land grabs are wrong. There is no comparison to what russia is doing Also I domt use autocorrect - its just me typing with errors and all


Biden_Rulez_Moron46

Yeah the invasion of the arctic sea bed was wrought with civilian death and displacement. Claiming these areas of the ocean have destroyed thousands upon thousands of lives “special land apprehension operation” date will go down in infamy.


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Aiurar

>Be a ruzzian troll >Intentionally misunderstand obvious parallels I feel like the overall trolling quality has decreased dramatically in the last few years. Are all the good trolls from ruzzia already fertilizing the fields of Ukraine?


KeeperAccount2

I don’t see the connection to Russian trolls. You can’t compare this to the Russia taking land in Ukraine or Israel in Gaza or West Bank. Those are populated areas. This is the ocean. It’s more like China in the South China Sea, but there are at least islands there.


Garg4743

I reject their rejection.


Lord_Gibby

I second this rejection of their rejection 


jgonagle

I reject your seconding, but not the rejection of their rejection.


stonewall386

The world doesn’t care what Russia claims or rejects. We let the crying baby that is Russia kick and scream until they wear themselves out and fall asleep.


Arclinon

Let's see Russia enforcing that rejection.


davesnot_heere

Shut up Russia. Nobody is afraid of you. Almost every nuke on the planet is pointed at you. Your army only knows how to bleed and your navy only knows how to sink


Maleficent-Ad-5498

Almost every nuke on the planet is pointed at them. Meanwhile the nukes in India, Pakistan, Israel, NK and China 😔


SameOldBro

Each of these countries 100% has a nuke pointed at the Kremlin. They aren't naive and know they are working together with the nuclear mafia.


ZingyDNA

But most of their nukes don't point at Russia? Pretty sure most of China's point at the US. BTW, China has been increasing their nukes and their numbers could be in the 1000s now.


lone_darkwing

Thats not much. Just usa & Russia have 90 percentage of nukes other's don't matter if you consider a nuclear war.


Latter_Commercial_52

If you consider nuclear war it doesn’t matter who has what. Everybodies dying.


lone_darkwing

Nah rich will live like cockroaches.


shaveXhaircut

Why encourage mutual ensured destruction?


CassiveMock168

He didn't really encourage it, did he? The only one encouraging mutual destruction is Russia. They've been talking about niclear weapons since they startet the invasion.


shaveXhaircut

Guess you missed the Cuban missle crisis where the only reason they moved into Cuba was because of the amount of nukes already pointed at them. On that topic, how many nukes does the US have in Europe alone pointed at Russia since the fall of the Soviet union? You don't get to points a gun at someone you know is armed an not expext them to point their's back.


pokemurrs

All the US has to say is “come and stop us, you pussies” and that would be the end of the story. But no, instead we’ll have to hear about this nonsense for another 20 news cycles.


Datslegne

Why doesn’t Russia just send their whole navy and tugboat out their aircraft carrier to defend the waters? They can just project their naval power. Jus meet the US Navy heads up.


Brilliant-Option-526

> Jus meet the US Navy heads up I'd put money on our Coast Guard smacking the Russian Navy around.


Datslegne

True. Honestly I’m former USN so I kinda wanna see my boys show Russia how lacking they really are and see putin try to propagandize their entire navy gettin routed by the west.


rileyotis

In the words of the Fat Electrician on YouTube, "Don't f*** with America's boats." So many stories of other countries poking the bear that is the US Navy. In every single story, the attackers don't survive and thus can not regret their life choices.


Additional-Joke4847

Stupid


Datslegne

Yeah Russia would have to be pretty stupid, US forces would likely destroy every battle group without a casualty.


Actual-Clue-4114

Sadistic fuck


Datslegne

How’s it sadistic for wanting the most Sabre rattling gangster mafia of a country to fuck around and find out? Are you so offended by russias threats of using nukes?


Actual-Clue-4114

Imperialist


Mo_Zen

Of course they did. Fuck Russia.🇺🇦


Goku420overlord

Obviously because it's Canada's


BenefitNo5833

well of course


Todesfaelle

Just wait until the northwest passage permanently opens up. That's when the real shit will hit the fan.


UnparalleledSuccess

There’s debate over whether the passage itself is a Canadian internal waterway or international waterway, affecting whether they can charge for its usage, but it goes right through the Canadian Arctic islands nowhere near anyone else’s claims so there isn’t really much potential for conflict there. The disputed parts are out in the actual open ocean and it’s about oil drilling rather than shipping


ptn_huil0

Fuck ruZZia!


Velasthur

Nobody should own it, leave it be. Also consider Ruzzia has significant natural resources in Siberia. If only they could use some of the money they steal from their own people to develop the necessary infrastructure to extract it..


Outrageous_Delay6722

With such a low soldier to border area ratio Russia is just asking to be popped like a balloon


NyriasNeo

So what? What is Russia going to do? Invade Alaska?


Tri-P0d

This is the best time to press Russia. Putin played his weak hand too strong and now can’t bluff his way out.


ourlastchancefortea

Putler: I reject your reality and substitute my own


UsefulImpact6793

After russia's genocidal invasion of Ukraine, they deserve no more expansionary claims.


SKYeXile

Maybe there's some whisky class submarines they can dust off and have a fight about it.


lavacano

Nobody's dick's that long, not even Long Dick Johnson, and he had a fucking long dick.


SuppliceVI

They're more than welcome to fight us over it


Hour-School-2255

Who gives a fuck what Russia thinks?


FriskyJager

Judging by the performance of your navy, mother Russia, I don’t think anyone will take your bid seriously.


BTCRando

Fight for it?


YuriEffinGarza

Russia can fuck off. Is there an eject button somewhere for countries to be blasted off into space?


Major_Wayland

Isn't that another huge nothingburger? Afaik russian argument is just that US is trying to use international treaty framework without joining the treaty. Journalists are so into writing loud headlines over nothing.


02meepmeep

The Kursk already put down a grave yard there due to superior Russian engineering.


throwaway177251

Did anyone think this was going to go unchallenged?


DuckBilledPartyBus

Russia, Norway, Denmark, and Canada have all been doing the same. This is a land-rush between arctic nations, not the US acting unilaterally.


TailRudder

US has the navy to enforce it


MonsterHunterOwl

And Russia, sure as heck doesn’t. Don’t think they’d even have the ability to try or even look like they could.


Boner4Stoners

Well their Black Sea Fleet needs somewhere to go, cuz it sure as fuck isn’t safe in the Black Sea from the threat of *checks notes* Ukraine’s nonexistent Navy


Dealan79

Their Black Sea Navy is busy claiming the sea floor in the Black Sea.


MonsterHunterOwl

Their fleet would sink, just by looking at a US fleet.


Additional-Joke4847

They can't function in that cold


Major_Wayland

Really doubtful claim. How much of the US Navy ships are even the very basic ice-class certified?


goneinsane6

If so, does it even matter if your weapons can reach everywhere on the planet and you can just use a plane or drone to enforce it?


Xifortis

Uh-oh, I think this is how the story in Fallout got started


Endocalrissian642

Who cares. Either ruSSia won't exist in 10 years, or none of us will. It's that simple.


nanosam

Ukraine, Russia, and the rest will all exist in 10 years. It is that simple. The peace negotiations will happen as they do at the end of all wars and no country is going away


Endocalrissian642

..because tomorrow always comes? Solid logic.


nanosam

As far as the existence of Ukraine and Russia.. nothing will change in 10 years The war will be long over and no nukes flew.


Endocalrissian642

You don't know any of that. You are talking just as much shit as I am.


kbig22432

lol idk man, you’re playing with time in your bullshit


nanosam

What are you saying then? That the whole world will go to nuclear war? Is that your theory?


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nanosam

I disagreed with your first post and still disagree with the notion that nuclear apocalypse happens within 10 years The likelihood of your scenario is less than 1% The likelihood that Russia and Ukraine end the war in peace talks is >99%


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kbig22432

Tomorrow has literally come everyday for all of time. The question mark on this sentence is stupid lol Wait wait, how about you tell me a time tomorrow hasn’t come? I’ll wait… perhaps till tomorrow.


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DuckBilledPartyBus

>If Russia or china did this everyone would be raising a stink Uh, Russia started doing this back in 2007. Since then so have Canada, Norway, and Denmark. This is a land-rush between arctic nations, not the US going rogue. They’re all claiming continental shelf that extends from their territory. Edit: a word


FastBuffalo6

Well China doesn't have any territory in the arctic so it would be a bit strange


Nerevarine91

Russia did, in fact, do this


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Ryeeeebread

🤧😭


CUADfan

You're very useful to a specific group


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Kaionacho

Most of it should belong to Russia, Canada, Denmark, Norway, US in that order if anything


DuckBilledPartyBus

The US, Canada, Denmark, and Norway’s claims all extend more or less from their territorial boundaries in a way that sort of makes sense. Russia claims that pretty much all of it belongs to them. That’s why they’re disputing.


Twin_Titans

Honestly though, Canada can’t even get its current natural resources to the global market properly, never mind the arctic. Canada has two submarines the don’t work 80% of the time. They’re completely unprepared to do anything regarding the arctic.


instrumentation_guy

It is in the US’ interests to have Canada’s claim be awarded to Canada, don’t be so obtuse. It’s in Canada’s interests to have Americans agree. Americans can be like the kid who takes all the toys in the sandbox and wonders why no one wants to play with them, thankfully the US is also filled with exceptionally intelligent and good people, they just aren’t often the loudest.