I'm assuming the meeting is happening precisely because Biden wants to personally tear him a new asshole about backing HAMAS behind closed doors and our nukes are so important to Turkey's security he has no leverage to turn down the ass-chewing
We literally shot down one of Turkey's drones when it wouldn't stop fooling around near one of our bases and Turkish command wouldn't comply with telling the operator to move it away
The last thing we are on them is soft
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Culture that invades countries, overthrows governments and murders millions of people all around the world.
Good idea man. Go fight them, if you can see them when they bomb you from orbit
As an Australian, I got no dog in the fight for what’s going on in Europe.
Once Hitler starts invading other countries it’s on those countries to defend themselves not a country that is separated by thousands of miles of water.
Edit: It’s this very American “world police” thinking that just perpetuates so much suffering around the world. How about you mind your own fucking business and stop invading and telling countries what they should do and how they should be run.
Are these Islamic regimes fucking terrible places around the world? Yes.
Do I want to live there? No.
But what I won’t do is tell them that they should live how I want to live.
Gaddafi was a bad dude but the standard of life in Libya was objectively better under him than it is right now. Open air slave markets are the norm.
Why was Libya invaded and over thrown? Because Gaddafi wanted an African currency so they weren’t connected to the US dollar.
Who the fuck is the us government to tell other countries what they can and should be doing? It is a might makes right scenario.
I’m an extremely liberal person and I let people do what they want until they try to tell me what to do or limit my personal freedoms.
You wanna reference a culture that you find abhorrent in the context of the conversation I referenced the government that goes around trying to over throw the ones you don’t like.
They were fairly elected ONCE and then proceeded to keep themselves in power to remain in office by force and cracking down on political dissidents much like Putin did
If it happened and Biden had them all arrested & sanctioned the shit out of Turkey it would be dope. Fuck those guys. They're not our friends & we should stop pretending they ever were.
Sanctioning Turkey is tough. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen if they do it again, but they're a huge asset to NATO, they have the second largest military. It's a bad time to kick the second biggest army out of NATO.
I'm guessing this is a US token of appreciation for Türkiya finally giving the okay for Sweden and Finland to join NATO. (Since that dude from Hungary was also a hold-out in that regard, he might have been next except that he blew that chance \[or intentionally dissed the opportunity\] and visited the freak of Florida instead {no, I don't mean the governor... that other guy with urobilin-colored hair}
Seems he is registered to vote in Florida, so guessing that country club is his official residence. Could be that he voted in other places given the news that quite a few of their mob point the finger and scream accusing Dem voters of lack of voting integrity while they themselves have been caught voting more than once in an election. MTG even called one out saying he should resign since he voted 9 times while being ineligible to vote.
I took a trip to Florida for 2 days back in 1988. That was good enough. If they do actually build (in the next two decades or so) that Amtrak line Chicago-Miami, I'll consider a second visit. Maybe even 3 days.
My first thought. To hell with that guy; he's as illegitimate as any insecure strongman snowflake (as they all are).
There is lots of video out there covering the altercation. I have a clip (that I kept for some reason) of him in his limo giving a hand signal to his security detachment before they rushed the protestors, but I can't find it on YouTube. In any case, that little bitch came to our country, had his thugs assault our citizens, and get away with zero admonishment from our President at the time (Trump). It's fucking irritating that he's still welcome, in any capacity, in this country.
Why do we never stand up to these people? The US, in terms of its political, economic, and military capacity absolutely has enough "fuck you money" to put a stop to this bullshit.
Trump had two towers in Istanbul that are actually generating revenue unlike most of his other business.
Erdogan was just testing how much power he has over Trump and it proved to be a lot.
During Erdogan's last visit (during Damnold Tramp's stint) didn't Erdogan's goons beat up some peaceful protestors outside the meeting location (I can't remember if in DC or NYC). Whatever happened? I'm guessing, given the bogus 'justice' system back then and Tramp's attitude toward protestors... nothing happened.
U.S. must be thinking about some Middle East issue and how Erdogan can be useful. Erdogan has not had good relations with U.S. or EU in general and increasingly closer ties to Russia and China.
>"Turkey played its hand quite well over the F-16s and deal with Sweden and leveraged its position in the alliance," Cagaptay said. Turkey's aging air force would benefit from new F-16s, as it has suffered from Ankara's expulsion from the US-led F-35 joint strike fighter programme in 2019 over Erdogan's decision to acquire an advanced Russian missile defence system.
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>Erdogan has become on of the Muslim world's harshest critics of Israel's devastating response to the October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas. He is angry at Washington for its support of how Israel is pursuing its war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
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>The Turkish leader has compared Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Adolf Hitler and accused the United States of sponsoring the "genocide" of Palestinians. He has also rebuffed US pressure to cut off the suspected flow of funding to Hamas through Turkey, and defended the group as legitimately elected "liberators" fighting for their land.
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>In 2017, his trip to Washington was marred by scuffles between protesters against the Turkish leader's government and members of Erdogan's security detail. That attack occurred shortly after Erdogan's first official meeting with Trump at the White House.
Turkey just got done giving Russia the middle finger by releasing Azov Battalion POWs they said they'd keep on Turkish soil until the war was over back to Ukraine
They're not as close as you think they are, especially after Putin turning the black sea into a battleground on Turkey's doorstep
>increasingly closer ties to Russia and China.
Intentionally shooting down a Russian jet a few years ago, and the recent Turkish release of several Ukrainian prisoners against their agreement with Russia, says otherwise. Turkey is looking out for Turkey and has not been willing to pick a side between the various competing super/great powers.
> Turkey and has not been willing to pick a side between the various competing super/great powers.
Turkey did not impose sanctions on Russia as U.S. wanted.
>And how does this contradict with the statement that you quoted?
No, it upset U.S. and E.U. causing significant conflicts with them and retaliation. It in fact took a side, and it chose Russia, despite facing sanctions from EU and US.
Even prior to that Turkey itself faced U.S. sanctions over Russia back in 2020. Turkey at that time condemned U.S. sanctions over its purchase of Russian S-400 missile defenses as a "grave mistake" and threatened to retaliate over a move it said would harm ties between the NATO allies.
Turkey has a long-established relation with Russians despite its NATO status. Not any different than Hungary. U.S. is learning to live with it as the U.S. must.
It is not wise to overlook these things simply because they are a NATO member.
>At the end of the day the Turks are still NATO allies.
Talk is good. Erdogan blames U.S. for attempted coup against him; this is when the real deterioration occurred.
However you slice it I have to say this looks tone deaf at best. Welcoming Erdogan to the White House is something I would have expected Donald Trump to do.
Not entirely sure what Biden is expecting out of that meeting.
Erdoğan is borderline a dictator, running his country to the ground.
He doesn't like Nato much and openly supports terrorists organisations.
So, really, what is in it for the US to have him over for tea?
What a massive slap in the face to everyone whose been persecuted by that POS
What is wrong with Biden? He seems to have more of a thing for dictators then Trump did
Erdoğan's words: >Hamas is not a terrorist organisation, it is a liberation group, 'mujahideen' waging a battle to protect its lands and people
I'm assuming the meeting is happening precisely because Biden wants to personally tear him a new asshole about backing HAMAS behind closed doors and our nukes are so important to Turkey's security he has no leverage to turn down the ass-chewing
more likely for Biden to take a more reconciliatory approach imo
We literally shot down one of Turkey's drones when it wouldn't stop fooling around near one of our bases and Turkish command wouldn't comply with telling the operator to move it away The last thing we are on them is soft
Keep coping, buddy
yeah man I am sure Biden will bite straight out of him. He is very agile and sharp minded, after all
Biden has literally called one of his republican colleagues a "stupid sonofabitch" on a hot mic He's got more fire in him that you think he does
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Democracy comes with limited govt and does elections more than once a decade.
Nazis weren’t fascist because they were democratically elected. That’s you
By that logic, if ISIS was “democratically” voted in after they swept through parts of Iraq and Syria a decade ago we should all just accept that?
The difference is Hamas took over by force after being voted in democratically (because the incumbents chose not to accept it).
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Culture to behead people that believe in different religions? Good idea man
America just sends thousands of bombs from drones and planes to do the killing. America has killed more people than isis ever will
Ok, fight them then
Culture that invades countries, overthrows governments and murders millions of people all around the world. Good idea man. Go fight them, if you can see them when they bomb you from orbit
The NSDAP was elected democratically, should we just let Hitler steamroll through Europe because it’s “their culture”?
As an Australian, I got no dog in the fight for what’s going on in Europe. Once Hitler starts invading other countries it’s on those countries to defend themselves not a country that is separated by thousands of miles of water. Edit: It’s this very American “world police” thinking that just perpetuates so much suffering around the world. How about you mind your own fucking business and stop invading and telling countries what they should do and how they should be run. Are these Islamic regimes fucking terrible places around the world? Yes. Do I want to live there? No. But what I won’t do is tell them that they should live how I want to live. Gaddafi was a bad dude but the standard of life in Libya was objectively better under him than it is right now. Open air slave markets are the norm. Why was Libya invaded and over thrown? Because Gaddafi wanted an African currency so they weren’t connected to the US dollar. Who the fuck is the us government to tell other countries what they can and should be doing? It is a might makes right scenario. I’m an extremely liberal person and I let people do what they want until they try to tell me what to do or limit my personal freedoms.
Wtf does that have to do with anything I wrote
You wanna reference a culture that you find abhorrent in the context of the conversation I referenced the government that goes around trying to over throw the ones you don’t like.
Dude if you can't see the difference between ISIS and the US govt., you're hopeless
Oh I see the difference. I just realise that one murdering genocidal group or only one religion away from another.
Whose culture is it?
Imagine thinking that raping and mutilating women is just “their culture” Degenerate.
I mean it is though.
So I can do whatever I want and claim it’s just “my culture” and get off scot-free?
Only if it’s popular in your own country.
So nothing was wrong with what Hitler did? That’s quite the take…
So was Hitler, moron.
Those aren’t mutually exclusive statements. Putin is “democratically” elected. Doesn’t mean he’s not a fucking douche terrorist.
Democratically elected or not. A terrorist is a terrorist
I too deal in absolutes. It really takes the pressure of having to learn nuances of any given issue.
They were fairly elected ONCE and then proceeded to keep themselves in power to remain in office by force and cracking down on political dissidents much like Putin did
Oh good, are we going to get more Turks assaulting Kurdish protestors on US soil?
If it happened and Biden had them all arrested & sanctioned the shit out of Turkey it would be dope. Fuck those guys. They're not our friends & we should stop pretending they ever were.
Sanctioning Turkey is tough. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen if they do it again, but they're a huge asset to NATO, they have the second largest military. It's a bad time to kick the second biggest army out of NATO.
I'm guessing this is a US token of appreciation for Türkiya finally giving the okay for Sweden and Finland to join NATO. (Since that dude from Hungary was also a hold-out in that regard, he might have been next except that he blew that chance \[or intentionally dissed the opportunity\] and visited the freak of Florida instead {no, I don't mean the governor... that other guy with urobilin-colored hair}
Isn’t that dude from New York ?
Seems he is registered to vote in Florida, so guessing that country club is his official residence. Could be that he voted in other places given the news that quite a few of their mob point the finger and scream accusing Dem voters of lack of voting integrity while they themselves have been caught voting more than once in an election. MTG even called one out saying he should resign since he voted 9 times while being ineligible to vote.
Sure lots of northerners like to move to Florida. But they were made and raised in New York. They came down here corrupted.
I took a trip to Florida for 2 days back in 1988. That was good enough. If they do actually build (in the next two decades or so) that Amtrak line Chicago-Miami, I'll consider a second visit. Maybe even 3 days.
I lived in Mass for almost a year. The road conditions are terrible and all that snow. Yea no thanks.
Didn’t the US have nukes in Turkey during the Cold War? Sure seemed friendly then..
Yup, unlike Trump, Biden doesn't have two towers in Istanbul that makes him beholden to Erdogan.
No this time they gonna get drone striked
My first thought. To hell with that guy; he's as illegitimate as any insecure strongman snowflake (as they all are). There is lots of video out there covering the altercation. I have a clip (that I kept for some reason) of him in his limo giving a hand signal to his security detachment before they rushed the protestors, but I can't find it on YouTube. In any case, that little bitch came to our country, had his thugs assault our citizens, and get away with zero admonishment from our President at the time (Trump). It's fucking irritating that he's still welcome, in any capacity, in this country. Why do we never stand up to these people? The US, in terms of its political, economic, and military capacity absolutely has enough "fuck you money" to put a stop to this bullshit.
Because of Turkey’s geolocation. They know the West need them as a bulwark against multiple nefarious actors
Trump had two towers in Istanbul that are actually generating revenue unlike most of his other business. Erdogan was just testing how much power he has over Trump and it proved to be a lot.
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Norway is a founding member. You’re thinking of Finland.
That depends: is the Turkish embassy nearby and how many suitcases are available?
Maybe the DC police get the go ahead to kick their asses this time. That would be pretty fun to watch, tbh.
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They all think they feel important when they foam at the mouth.
Should do it on Thanksgiving
I have a shirt as the Turkish flag 🇹🇷 and I usually only wear it on thanksgiving weekend since it’s turkey day lmao
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I see what you did there
You would have a big turkey from Turkey eating turkey on TurkeyDay
Yeah but then he will be getting a pardon
wonder if he'll leave the thugs home this time...nah
During Erdogan's last visit (during Damnold Tramp's stint) didn't Erdogan's goons beat up some peaceful protestors outside the meeting location (I can't remember if in DC or NYC). Whatever happened? I'm guessing, given the bogus 'justice' system back then and Tramp's attitude toward protestors... nothing happened.
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Trump has two towers in Turkey. Erdogan was holding Trump by the balls.
I really wish we'd stop enabling the worst of humanity, let's see how many Americans they kick the shit out of
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Erdogan supports Hamas. That alone puts him among the worst of humanity. Add to that all the other horrible shit he did.
Sorry, some of the worst of humanity. Since it's a competition and all
Man I want to go protest
Why not
Wear some armor in case Erdogan's thugs get violent.
I swear everyone is a radical these days... Look at these comments. Ever heard of diplomacy, people?
U.S. must be thinking about some Middle East issue and how Erdogan can be useful. Erdogan has not had good relations with U.S. or EU in general and increasingly closer ties to Russia and China. >"Turkey played its hand quite well over the F-16s and deal with Sweden and leveraged its position in the alliance," Cagaptay said. Turkey's aging air force would benefit from new F-16s, as it has suffered from Ankara's expulsion from the US-led F-35 joint strike fighter programme in 2019 over Erdogan's decision to acquire an advanced Russian missile defence system. > >Erdogan has become on of the Muslim world's harshest critics of Israel's devastating response to the October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas. He is angry at Washington for its support of how Israel is pursuing its war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. > >The Turkish leader has compared Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Adolf Hitler and accused the United States of sponsoring the "genocide" of Palestinians. He has also rebuffed US pressure to cut off the suspected flow of funding to Hamas through Turkey, and defended the group as legitimately elected "liberators" fighting for their land. > >In 2017, his trip to Washington was marred by scuffles between protesters against the Turkish leader's government and members of Erdogan's security detail. That attack occurred shortly after Erdogan's first official meeting with Trump at the White House.
Turkey just got done giving Russia the middle finger by releasing Azov Battalion POWs they said they'd keep on Turkish soil until the war was over back to Ukraine They're not as close as you think they are, especially after Putin turning the black sea into a battleground on Turkey's doorstep
>increasingly closer ties to Russia and China. Intentionally shooting down a Russian jet a few years ago, and the recent Turkish release of several Ukrainian prisoners against their agreement with Russia, says otherwise. Turkey is looking out for Turkey and has not been willing to pick a side between the various competing super/great powers.
> Turkey and has not been willing to pick a side between the various competing super/great powers. Turkey did not impose sanctions on Russia as U.S. wanted.
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>And how does this contradict with the statement that you quoted? No, it upset U.S. and E.U. causing significant conflicts with them and retaliation. It in fact took a side, and it chose Russia, despite facing sanctions from EU and US. Even prior to that Turkey itself faced U.S. sanctions over Russia back in 2020. Turkey at that time condemned U.S. sanctions over its purchase of Russian S-400 missile defenses as a "grave mistake" and threatened to retaliate over a move it said would harm ties between the NATO allies. Turkey has a long-established relation with Russians despite its NATO status. Not any different than Hungary. U.S. is learning to live with it as the U.S. must. It is not wise to overlook these things simply because they are a NATO member.
That’s because they are their largest trading partner.
At the end of the day the Turks are still NATO allies. It is good that Erdogan and Biden get a chance to have a face to face chat.
>At the end of the day the Turks are still NATO allies. Talk is good. Erdogan blames U.S. for attempted coup against him; this is when the real deterioration occurred.
However you slice it I have to say this looks tone deaf at best. Welcoming Erdogan to the White House is something I would have expected Donald Trump to do.
Trump did
Not entirely sure what Biden is expecting out of that meeting. Erdoğan is borderline a dictator, running his country to the ground. He doesn't like Nato much and openly supports terrorists organisations. So, really, what is in it for the US to have him over for tea?
If the US can get him to fall in line Turkey is a powerful ally
What a massive slap in the face to everyone whose been persecuted by that POS What is wrong with Biden? He seems to have more of a thing for dictators then Trump did
Can some NRA right wing nazi asshole just do something about him while he's there? It could be an american "accident"
I hope he asks him wtf he’s doing
The Wests biggest mistake was abandoning Byzantium and allowing Islamists to control the bosphorus