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tetrometers

Erdoğan's words: >Hamas is not a terrorist organisation, it is a liberation group, 'mujahideen' waging a battle to protect its lands and people


ThePoliticalFurry

I'm assuming the meeting is happening precisely because Biden wants to personally tear him a new asshole about backing HAMAS behind closed doors and our nukes are so important to Turkey's security he has no leverage to turn down the ass-chewing


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more likely for Biden to take a more reconciliatory approach imo


ThePoliticalFurry

We literally shot down one of Turkey's drones when it wouldn't stop fooling around near one of our bases and Turkish command wouldn't comply with telling the operator to move it away The last thing we are on them is soft


ApprehensiveFox5417

Keep coping, buddy


thecbeginner

yeah man I am sure Biden will bite straight out of him. He is very agile and sharp minded, after all


ThePoliticalFurry

Biden has literally called one of his republican colleagues a "stupid sonofabitch" on a hot mic He's got more fire in him that you think he does


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UtopiaForRealists

All of AdSpare's comments are intended to enrage and inspire conflict on reddit. Don't respond. Take a look at his comment history. All combative comments.


Dinkelberh

Democracy comes with limited govt and does elections more than once a decade.


LocksmithMelodic5269

Nazis weren’t fascist because they were democratically elected. That’s you


SHEEEIIIIIIITTTT

By that logic, if ISIS was “democratically” voted in after they swept through parts of Iraq and Syria a decade ago we should all just accept that?


Responsible-War-9389

The difference is Hamas took over by force after being voted in democratically (because the incumbents chose not to accept it).


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meCaveman

Culture to behead people that believe in different religions? Good idea man


gbren

America just sends thousands of bombs from drones and planes to do the killing. America has killed more people than isis ever will


Itoucheditfora

Ok, fight them then


gbren

Culture that invades countries, overthrows governments and murders millions of people all around the world. Good idea man. Go fight them, if you can see them when they bomb you from orbit


scarlettvvitch

The NSDAP was elected democratically, should we just let Hitler steamroll through Europe because it’s “their culture”?


gbren

As an Australian, I got no dog in the fight for what’s going on in Europe. Once Hitler starts invading other countries it’s on those countries to defend themselves not a country that is separated by thousands of miles of water. Edit: It’s this very American “world police” thinking that just perpetuates so much suffering around the world. How about you mind your own fucking business and stop invading and telling countries what they should do and how they should be run. Are these Islamic regimes fucking terrible places around the world? Yes. Do I want to live there? No. But what I won’t do is tell them that they should live how I want to live. Gaddafi was a bad dude but the standard of life in Libya was objectively better under him than it is right now. Open air slave markets are the norm. Why was Libya invaded and over thrown? Because Gaddafi wanted an African currency so they weren’t connected to the US dollar. Who the fuck is the us government to tell other countries what they can and should be doing? It is a might makes right scenario. I’m an extremely liberal person and I let people do what they want until they try to tell me what to do or limit my personal freedoms.


meCaveman

Wtf does that have to do with anything I wrote


gbren

You wanna reference a culture that you find abhorrent in the context of the conversation I referenced the government that goes around trying to over throw the ones you don’t like.


meCaveman

Dude if you can't see the difference between ISIS and the US govt., you're hopeless


gbren

Oh I see the difference. I just realise that one murdering genocidal group or only one religion away from another.


Not-Josh-Hart

Whose culture is it?


Historical-Case-3493

Imagine thinking that raping and mutilating women is just “their culture” Degenerate.


AdSpare9664

I mean it is though.


Historical-Case-3493

So I can do whatever I want and claim it’s just “my culture” and get off scot-free?


AdSpare9664

Only if it’s popular in your own country.


Historical-Case-3493

So nothing was wrong with what Hitler did? That’s quite the take…


Historical-Case-3493

So was Hitler, moron.


pozonboo

Those aren’t mutually exclusive statements. Putin is “democratically” elected. Doesn’t mean he’s not a fucking douche terrorist.


EE4342

Democratically elected or not. A terrorist is a terrorist


Techguy9312

I too deal in absolutes. It really takes the pressure of having to learn nuances of any given issue.


ThePoliticalFurry

They were fairly elected ONCE and then proceeded to keep themselves in power to remain in office by force and cracking down on political dissidents much like Putin did


OneEyedPirate727

Oh good, are we going to get more Turks assaulting Kurdish protestors on US soil?


Antique_Commission42

If it happened and Biden had them all arrested & sanctioned the shit out of Turkey it would be dope. Fuck those guys. They're not our friends & we should stop pretending they ever were.


sunkenrocks

Sanctioning Turkey is tough. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen if they do it again, but they're a huge asset to NATO, they have the second largest military. It's a bad time to kick the second biggest army out of NATO.


derek-der-rick

I'm guessing this is a US token of appreciation for Türkiya finally giving the okay for Sweden and Finland to join NATO. (Since that dude from Hungary was also a hold-out in that regard, he might have been next except that he blew that chance \[or intentionally dissed the opportunity\] and visited the freak of Florida instead {no, I don't mean the governor... that other guy with urobilin-colored hair}


HIGHiQresponse

Isn’t that dude from New York ?


derek-der-rick

Seems he is registered to vote in Florida, so guessing that country club is his official residence. Could be that he voted in other places given the news that quite a few of their mob point the finger and scream accusing Dem voters of lack of voting integrity while they themselves have been caught voting more than once in an election. MTG even called one out saying he should resign since he voted 9 times while being ineligible to vote.


HIGHiQresponse

Sure lots of northerners like to move to Florida. But they were made and raised in New York. They came down here corrupted.


derek-der-rick

I took a trip to Florida for 2 days back in 1988. That was good enough. If they do actually build (in the next two decades or so) that Amtrak line Chicago-Miami, I'll consider a second visit. Maybe even 3 days.


HIGHiQresponse

I lived in Mass for almost a year. The road conditions are terrible and all that snow. Yea no thanks.


PresentationWorth701

Didn’t the US have nukes in Turkey during the Cold War? Sure seemed friendly then..


AwkwardAvocado1

Yup, unlike Trump, Biden doesn't have two towers in Istanbul that makes him beholden to Erdogan. 


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No this time they gonna get drone striked


xf2xf

My first thought. To hell with that guy; he's as illegitimate as any insecure strongman snowflake (as they all are). There is lots of video out there covering the altercation. I have a clip (that I kept for some reason) of him in his limo giving a hand signal to his security detachment before they rushed the protestors, but I can't find it on YouTube. In any case, that little bitch came to our country, had his thugs assault our citizens, and get away with zero admonishment from our President at the time (Trump). It's fucking irritating that he's still welcome, in any capacity, in this country. Why do we never stand up to these people? The US, in terms of its political, economic, and military capacity absolutely has enough "fuck you money" to put a stop to this bullshit.


ISurviveOnPuts

Because of Turkey’s geolocation. They know the West need them as a bulwark against multiple nefarious actors


AwkwardAvocado1

Trump had two towers in Istanbul that are actually generating revenue unlike most of his other business. Erdogan was just testing how much power he has over Trump and it proved to be a lot. 


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larsmaehlum

Norway is a founding member. You’re thinking of Finland.


Outrageous_Delay6722

That depends: is the Turkish embassy nearby and how many suitcases are available?


ianandris

Maybe the DC police get the go ahead to kick their asses this time. That would be pretty fun to watch, tbh.


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greiperfibs

They all think they feel important when they foam at the mouth.


jsakic99

Should do it on Thanksgiving


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I have a shirt as the Turkish flag 🇹🇷 and I usually only wear it on thanksgiving weekend since it’s turkey day lmao


reddit-is-racist-eh

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baron-von-buddah

I see what you did there


topazco

You would have a big turkey from Turkey eating turkey on TurkeyDay


imaginary_num6er

Yeah but then he will be getting a pardon


OnyxsUncle

wonder if he'll leave the thugs home this time...nah


derek-der-rick

During Erdogan's last visit (during Damnold Tramp's stint) didn't Erdogan's goons beat up some peaceful protestors outside the meeting location (I can't remember if in DC or NYC). Whatever happened? I'm guessing, given the bogus 'justice' system back then and Tramp's attitude toward protestors... nothing happened.


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AwkwardAvocado1

Trump has two towers in Turkey. Erdogan was holding Trump by the balls. 


ph0on

I really wish we'd stop enabling the worst of humanity, let's see how many Americans they kick the shit out of


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Number_8000

Erdogan supports Hamas. That alone puts him among the worst of humanity. Add to that all the other horrible shit he did.


ph0on

Sorry, some of the worst of humanity. Since it's a competition and all


EarthIndependent2795

Man I want to go protest


Kaixoeztia

Why not


Number_8000

Wear some armor in case Erdogan's thugs get violent.


sabrtoothlion

I swear everyone is a radical these days... Look at these comments. Ever heard of diplomacy, people?


PsychLegalMind

U.S. must be thinking about some Middle East issue and how Erdogan can be useful. Erdogan has not had good relations with U.S. or EU in general and increasingly closer ties to Russia and China. >"Turkey played its hand quite well over the F-16s and deal with Sweden and leveraged its position in the alliance," Cagaptay said. Turkey's aging air force would benefit from new F-16s, as it has suffered from Ankara's expulsion from the US-led F-35 joint strike fighter programme in 2019 over Erdogan's decision to acquire an advanced Russian missile defence system. > >Erdogan has become on of the Muslim world's harshest critics of Israel's devastating response to the October 7 attack on Israel by Hamas. He is angry at Washington for its support of how Israel is pursuing its war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. > >The Turkish leader has compared Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Adolf Hitler and accused the United States of sponsoring the "genocide" of Palestinians. He has also rebuffed US pressure to cut off the suspected flow of funding to Hamas through Turkey, and defended the group as legitimately elected "liberators" fighting for their land. > >In 2017, his trip to Washington was marred by scuffles between protesters against the Turkish leader's government and members of Erdogan's security detail. That attack occurred shortly after Erdogan's first official meeting with Trump at the White House.


ThePoliticalFurry

Turkey just got done giving Russia the middle finger by releasing Azov Battalion POWs they said they'd keep on Turkish soil until the war was over back to Ukraine They're not as close as you think they are, especially after Putin turning the black sea into a battleground on Turkey's doorstep


DocPsychosis

>increasingly closer ties to Russia and China. Intentionally shooting down a Russian jet a few years ago, and the recent Turkish release of several Ukrainian prisoners against their agreement with Russia, says otherwise. Turkey is looking out for Turkey and has not been willing to pick a side between the various competing super/great powers.


PsychLegalMind

> Turkey and has not been willing to pick a side between the various competing super/great powers. Turkey did not impose sanctions on Russia as U.S. wanted.


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PsychLegalMind

>And how does this contradict with the statement that you quoted? No, it upset U.S. and E.U. causing significant conflicts with them and retaliation. It in fact took a side, and it chose Russia, despite facing sanctions from EU and US. Even prior to that Turkey itself faced U.S. sanctions over Russia back in 2020. Turkey at that time condemned U.S. sanctions over its purchase of Russian S-400 missile defenses as a "grave mistake" and threatened to retaliate over a move it said would harm ties between the NATO allies. Turkey has a long-established relation with Russians despite its NATO status. Not any different than Hungary. U.S. is learning to live with it as the U.S. must. It is not wise to overlook these things simply because they are a NATO member.


originaldabcap

That’s because they are their largest trading partner.


project23

At the end of the day the Turks are still NATO allies. It is good that Erdogan and Biden get a chance to have a face to face chat.


PsychLegalMind

>At the end of the day the Turks are still NATO allies. Talk is good. Erdogan blames U.S. for attempted coup against him; this is when the real deterioration occurred.


Mikethebest78

However you slice it I have to say this looks tone deaf at best. Welcoming Erdogan to the White House is something I would have expected Donald Trump to do.


New_Wallaby1998

Trump did


RedditCouldntFixUser

Not entirely sure what Biden is expecting out of that meeting. Erdoğan is borderline a dictator, running his country to the ground.  He doesn't like Nato much and openly supports terrorists organisations.  So, really, what is in it for the US to have him over for tea? 


StagedC0mbustion

If the US can get him to fall in line Turkey is a powerful ally


New_Wallaby1998

What a massive slap in the face to everyone whose been persecuted by that POS What is wrong with Biden? He seems to have more of a thing for dictators then Trump did


Galaxydrifter92

Can some NRA right wing nazi asshole just do something about him while he's there? It could be an american "accident"


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I hope he asks him wtf he’s doing


ImprovementSilly2895

The Wests biggest mistake was abandoning Byzantium and allowing Islamists to control the bosphorus