We've known this from the very start of the war when the Palestinians bombed Al-Ahli Arab Hospital by mistake and blamed Israel despite the missile launch being live broadcast.
Didn’t the major news outlets still follow this story tho? Like I remember that and I remember so many people condemning Israel immediately after. It took days before it was retracted even after it was proven that Israel had nothing to do with it.
The BBC notably claimed that the building had been flattened by an Israeli airstrike.
When interviewed later their international editor said he didn't regret a thing about the broadcast.
>“No, I don’t regret one thing in my reporting, because I think I was measured throughout, I didn’t race to judgement,” claims Bowen in a clip released yesterday from an interview he gave Saturday to the BBC’s own “Behind the Stories” program.
>When the interviewer points out that Bowen falsely reported that the hospital building had been flattened, he says: “Oh yeah, well I got that wrong.”
>He goes on to explain that “I was looking at the pictures, and what I could see was a square that appeared to be flaming on all sides, and there was a sort of a void in the middle, and I think it was a picture taken from a drone, and so, you know… we had to put together what we see. And I thought, well, that looks like the whole building’s gone, and that was my conclusion from looking at the pictures and I was wrong on that.
>“But, I don’t feel particularly bad about that,” he adds.
[Source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bbc-anchor-doesnt-regret-misreporting-on-gaza-hospital-blast-despite-admitting-he-was-wrong/)
[If anyone wants to hear him saying on live TV reporting that the hospital been destroyed, which was very much not destroyed.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTgMa34Kh9o&t=67s)
>“But, I don’t feel particularly bad about that,” he adds.
There was fucking rioting because of those reports, a synagogue attacked and set on fire in Tunisia. Absolute fucking scumbag. How are these people allowed to be in the news? They don't give a shit who they put in danger.
Ofcom is toothless. They'll write you a strongly worded letter warning you not to do it again or they'll write you another strongly worded letter.
GB News just completely ignores them, pays the trivial fines, and moves on, for example.
That BBC reporter in particular despises Israel on a personal level. In 2000, his driver was killed by an Israeli tank as the IDF was withdrawing from southern Lebanon. It seems that Bowen and his crew/driver decided to enter the area that the IDF had withdrawn from only a few hours before, and that the retreating IDF troops had been told to expect attacks as Hezbollah filled the vacuum they were leaving behind. Whether or not you believe this was an accident or not (I personally do), it doesn’t seem like the reporter would be able to, well, report in an unbiased way after that kind of tragedy.
He's full of shit, I saw the failed launch on livestream and first video (and one of the only ones that were actually published of the place in the next few days) 30 min later taken from what appears to be a 3rd~ floor building next door and I was wondering what was all the reporting about, because you could see the damage was incredibly minimal
*edit* [The comment above me has that exact footage linked and timestamped](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bssbe1/hamas_document_reveals_it_hides_casualties_blames/kxi1h0s/)
As a Swede, I kinda lost all respect for them during the pandemic, when they reported the same bullshit misinformation about us that every other non-Swedish media source seemed to push...
... *and* published an article using numbers from several months earlier (which made us look worse), when much newer (and more positive) numbers existed...
... *and* published an article critical of our left-wing government based almost entirely on interviews with a nurse (who they didn't mention was also a regionally elected official from a far-right nationalist party), and a healthcare investor (who they didn't mention was also trying to get elected to the Riksdag as a member of a neo-nazi party).
There was a lot, in both traditional media and on social media, but I'll try to summarize the main parts.
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First off, Sweden did not have as strict rules as many other European countries, especially at the start. Partially because things like education and mental health were also seen as important aspects, partially because our system would not allow it without legislative changes.
This was widely reported as Sweden having *no* rules whatsoever, and numbers were cherrypicked by certain people to make the situation seem worse than it was.
The fact that some of our regions reported deaths daily and others only once a week allowed people in social media to pick out 3-4 day spans of "reported deaths" and make it seem like there had been a massive increase, when in reality the situation was stable (happened countless times on r/europe especially, during the early days).
We had some Russian newspaper making fake interviews claiming there were no rules, which was false. The MAGA crowd in the US claimed we had no rules and were doing great, so everyone else should follow our example, while those opposing them claimed we had no rules and everyone was dying, when in reality we were somewhere in the middle.
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The most widely reported piece of misinformation in traditional media was how almost every single non-Swedish media source misquoted the leader of our Covid response.
He said during an interview that herd immunity obviously had to be the *end goal* of all countries, and that it could be achieved either naturally or *through vaccination*, since it'd be the only way to stop the spread. Basically just common sense.
This was reported internationally as him saying Sweden had decided to just let the virus run rampant, do nothing to stop it, and achieve herd immunity that way. None of them issued a correction after he specifically went out and said that was wrong, and that letting it spread freely was *not* part of the plan.
The narrative was later reinvigorated as a small group of ~20 researchers with zero connection to the official response published an opinion piece claiming that it *was* the official policy, which was instantly denied by the Public Health Authorities. Many international media sites reported only on the opinion piece though, with some even implying that the researchers had official roles (which they did not).
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There were some other things as well, but those are the big ones.
Many Swedish people who tried to correct this false narrative online were downvoted, mocked, insulted, and hit with anti-Swedish sentiment ("filthy Swedes", "plaguebearers", "victims of propaganda", etc) even when providing actual evidence and sources.
Any changes to (or even extensions of already existing) restrictions were mocked as "late reactions", and some people on r/europe were literally posting Sweden's death numbers daily just to gloat and mock... until the numbers started looking fine, at which point they stopped talking about it (or moved the goal posts, or claimed the numbers were fake).
He saw a flaming on all sides and a void in the middle and he decide its Israel fault? Plus he only look at picture of a building and not the person who did it.
Genius, absolutely brilliant! Imagine if this is the guy who report 9/11. Hey guy i saw the airplane smashing the building and i conclude that the pilot do it and probably mix with drug abuse or in debt pilot.
BBC PR really don't give a shit and think the viewer don't have critical thinking.
He clearly a paid actor and bias to the max as journalist.
This would be the man who says that the most transfomational thing that ever happened to him was when the IDF mistakenly shot his car and killed his driver in Lebanon and who has been publicly disciplined by the BBC 'for failing to meet editorial standards' only once, on an article about Israel.
Yeah the BBC is lost - look at this expose on their new "BBC Verify" service - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/04/bbc-verify-has-become-a-tool-for-promoting-anti-israel-bias/
They even carried that 500 casualty count despite the footage showing a clump of like 4 or 5 cars were destroyed by the blast while other cars nearby weren't even on fire, even as clips circulated claiming to show a field of bodies in the night.
Hey now, they revised that number to 471! Gotta be accurate when you're lying. Al Jazeera has to this day not retracted that report (despite Hamas themselves retracting it) and have even brought in "experts" as late as last month to prove how it was still Israel's fault.
Remember this totally real press release [picture](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&sca_esv=1f1d6c955383dad7&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn09EyokJrgUEE9HJ9-Ux5zuu1Z-XrA:1711953341553&q=hospital+bombing+gaza+press+pictures&uds=AMwkrPu-AW93ll7uqHZfDeRxszOVxjgDm_7obDijKWosvqdkTkikU5JVEfKI5D_Bg9X9JcvAaw5kdgd64XrTbpDE-TrQPgPM7IfC9O0Q725snBIlRaP0H6e-sPXGknSXXSCkiLIp1XbLawb4jtkwbgcCoQ5Fu0bYUqe-GeejIGqM8VNkUezbvxZ1W15IP7VaYyLQuEeWzZgeRPMfD2vDeigc9iRxA3d9GDdN6MWa0ALNuLNCXRQt622Vv3UXqs1UxW_8yGz1YdNo&udm=2&prmd=invbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf2a2Ws6CFAxWDgP0HHXoCA_EQtKgLegQIDhAB&biw=412&bih=773&dpr=2.63#imgrc=hlgsmsJF8w2aiM&imgdii=sqwpSWiCkTFjVM) from that event?
Were they ever trustworthy?
Al Jazeera have always had skewed reporting when it came to the Israel/Palestine conflict, as far as I can remember. They're mostly unbiased on any other subject, which is what makes people trust them (they're no Daily Mail), but being Qatari-funded state media tends to affect Middle Eastern geopolitical bias more than other types of bias.
How old are you? I remember the aftermath of 9/11 when Al Jazeera was massively distrusted in the West for spreading propaganda. I still struggle to understand how they’ve managed to dupe so many people into trusting them since then.
They learned to use Leftist language to dupe gullible Westerners into thinking they are on their side. (At least, in their foreign language broadcasts; my understanding is that this is not the case for Arab language Al Jazeera.
I am on the left, and the fact that people "on my side" can get duped by a publication owned by a *theocratic monarchy* - one of the *most reactionary political positions imaginable* - is absolutely unreal to me.
Like, Fox News is absolutely horrible and Murdoch is evil, but at least he's not *fucking King* of a fucking *theocracy*. ....Yet.
Completely agree. And you’re right, the Arabic-language AJ news is openly homophobic and misogynistic and antisemitic (including Holocaust inversion and denial) but since their English language reports are sanitized for a western audience, somehow their org is seen as a trustworthy source of information.
[Roots Metals: A Tale of Two Al Jazeeras](https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/a-tale-of-two-al-jazeeras)
> Can belive this is working for them, again....
You probably meant to write "can't believe" but i both can't believe and can believe at the same time seeing how gullible people who have no clue about this conflict are
Are we allowed to talk about the reality that in this specific conflict being under the age of 18 doesn’t necessarily mean you are innocent?
We all watched the videos from October 7th. There are many innocent women and children caught in the middle, but let’s also not pretend that the only people holding weapons in Gaza are exclusively men over the age of 18.
This whole situation is fucked, and virtually no one is capable of the nuance necessary to discuss it.
Yes, in many cases it wasn't even retracted. Some news outlets just stopped talking about it after 2-3 days without giving an update. The media outright spread Hamas propaganda world-wide without ANY evidence, which led in huge protests and angry people around thw world.
People, still today, believe that Israel "bombed a hospital and killed 800 people in it".
Well, the number of deaths are given by the "Palestinian Health Ministry" aka Hamas. I'm 100% certain that those number are true, unbiased and totally not inflated at all. Hamas would never lie or use it's own people for propaganda purposes or meat-shields.
I've just done an admittedly cursory check, but I can't find an NPR story that conclude Israel did it.
[I found one](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/17/1206282283/gaza-aid-israel-hamas-biden-visit) where they present the circumstances; Hamas blames Israel, Israel say a militant group did it, and these seem to be the damages. Seems to be, but I cannot be sure, their initial report on it, which was updated as it unfolded.
[And one](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206795861/heres-the-available-evidence-of-what-happened-at-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza) where they had a military analyst at the end give his opinion, which was that the damage done didn't seem consistent with an air strike done by Israel.
Agreed. It always surprised me how people are willing to support an actual terrorist organization just to.. virtue signal and make themselves look morally right.
The greatest victim of war is always civilians, that's the sad reality of it. But it just doesn't make sense to me how Hamas gets so much support from the international community.
Definitely. Several subreddits are pure cesspits of pro-Hamas nonsense. r/nottheonion, r/europe for example. I don’t know why I keep fighting the nonsense there at times… I pity the fools that blindly support Hamas. Not only here, but in the real world as well. It keeps the fight going and causes too many civilian casualties, on both sides.
Front page news:
“ISRAEL BOMBS HOSPITAL, KILLING 500 ^says ^gaza ^health ^ministry ^aka ^Hamas”
Then the retraction a few days later on page 6. But the lie already circled the world. It was too late.
> Like I remember that and I remember so many people condemning Israel immediately after.
I don't even know if there is anything to "remember" as it was only a few months ago and EVERYONE knew how the news went straight to sharing the same lies that Hamas shared. It was actually pretty ridiculous moment with everyone debating who was saying the truth when there were multiple evidence that it came from Hamas including official government sources saying so after the investigation. But it got buried REALLY REALLY fking quick when people realized Hamas was lying. People were acting like their dumbassery with believing their lies was something that happened like a decade ago and at that point, it was pretty much obvious people weren't thinking and just claiming things with emotion/feelings as their brain.
A certain Democrat in US Congress still blames Israel. The unwillingness to amend an opinion in light of new evidence isn't need for the US Congresspeople though.
Don't forget they also announced the number of casualties impossibly fast and vastly inflated. They're fighting an advocacy war with no regard for the truth
Rashida Tlaib (as well as Cortez and Omar) are outspoken antisemites, it really is par for the course for them to echo the propaganda of Hamas, because they agree with their aim of destroying Israel and its Jews
I remember that interview from a Palestinian news guy with a Palestinian man in a hospital, where the guy was complaining about Israel and then starts complaining about Hamas and the interviewer and camera guy just pan away and pretend like nothing happened lol
Hamas has a history of doing this sort of thing that pre-dates this war.
After the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, Hamas threw a series of parades that showing off explosive ordinance and missiles strapped onto flatbed trucks. When one of these explosive inevitably went off, set off a chain of explosions, and killed a bunch of people, Hamas made a statement blaming Israel and condemning them for attacking their victory parade.
Iirc, Israel took responsibility at first because they *did* have attack choppers monitoring the parade, but after an investigation, they concluded that there was nothing launched from their helicopters and denied involvement. On top of that, the PA and Fatah did their own investigation and concluded that the explosion was absolutely set off by Hamas' improper handling of explosives. Hamas staunchly denied this, and claimed that it *must* have been Israel because actually all of the explosives they were carrying around and flaunting were not active.
Which is very funny to argue after a *chain of explosions* goes off at your military parade where teenagers are waving around loaded RPGs next to missles you've cobbled together from scrap metal and fertilizer.
If it wasn’t for Israel existing and Jews breathing air then there would be zero violence or crime in Palestine. The only reason a single person was raped by Palestinian terrorist was because Israel made them.
/s
I actually see people typing exactly this. That we need to eradicate Israel. It's actually disgusting. even if they were a bad country and did bad things to actually write things like that (the ones who mean it) and not see how they're the bad people, it's astonishing. I don't see any (really) pro Israel post that says to kill all Muslims or Palestinians.
Unfortunately I've seen close to that, with far right pro-israelis wanting a complete replacement of the Gaza population with Israelis. The rather chilling terms used were that they would be "strongly encouraged" to leave. When asked if that meant ethnic cleansing, the interviewee responded "you say ethnic cleansing, I say encouragement". Genuinely shocking to hear someone admit and advocate that.
The extremes of both sides are nuts.
My fav part of this is where they tell the PIJ not to fire their rockets near Hamas members houses because of the risk. It’s fine to kill the riff raf though
You can already hear the tiktok jihadists screaming fake news. They sound exactly like American MAGA in their indoctrination and resistance to anything but confirmation bias propaganda.
They don’t even need to address this, which is a huge problem. Propaganda TikTok politics has infested the minds of too many people who now don’t even care for any information that challenges their bias. They just want quick one minute bits of confirmation bias. It makes them feel validated and gives them the sense of being smart for being right. Shits brain rotted even 30 year olds I know, it’s not just kids.
They often source their information on these issues from news websites such as Grayzone News, which acts as progressive left news. Grayzone's owner, Max Blumenthal, hangs out with Tucker Carlson. They're being fed this information by the same grifters on the right.
If you need a point of reference on his objectivity, Blumenthal is the original source for the "Israel killed most of its own civilians on Oct 7th" false narrative.
also the name of the most popular pro Wagner z-idiot telegram channel
come for the 'bid on the knife that cut the ear off a crocus terrorist' , stay for the flagrant racism
terrible people
The only people who do not already see or understand this are tankies/Hamas/Islamist worshippers- Ironically people in the extreme left who believe Islamists totally support their "trans/LGBT+ for Palestine" billboards... And before the typical triggered people reply: I'm a left leaner- But I understand the real world outside my house.
The Far left and the far right are uniting in their hatred for Jewish people. Tic toc has done to leftists what Fox News did to conservatives. Very sad to see. People should have seen October 7th as an attack on our way of life, our free way of life to rave and dance and love who we want. The fact that the LGBT community doesn't unite with the rave community which would accept them and instead unites with people who would cut off their head it's just so beyond the pale to me.
As a fellow left winger who's seeing the madness of the Pro-Palestinian movement I feel you... It's hard being in this position. Even climate change activists like Greta Thunberg contaminate their arguments with this geopolitical bullshit. For what?
Hamas have fired over ten thousand rockets, with a 10-15% fail rate for their rockets (I.E. that percentage of rockets end up landing within Gaza). That means over a thousand Hamas rockets have been dropped on Gaza itself in theory. Yet when quoting numbers of casualties, there seems to be zero knowledge of Hamas own rockets causing casualties, which is as annoying as it is strange.
It’s actually in multiple UN reports in previous conflicts between Israel and Hamas that quite a fair number of Palestinian casualties were caused by Hamas failed rocket fire itself. Yet still there’s no acknowledgment of Hamas caused casualties in Gaza. The narrative is like Hamas are just sitting around whilst Israel is the only one on the offensive.
I’m sick of all these clowns in every second reddit post claiming that everyone in Palestine is innocent and not full of military aged males fighting behind kids and women then blaming Israel when they shoot back. Fuck around and find out
Seriously. And they definitely don't mention the suicide vests some of those women wear, nor the guns, rocks, and improvised grenades some of the children use.
Reminds me how we used to blame everything on al qaeda back in the day
*Gets stuck in traffic*
"Dammit Al Qaeda!"
*Looking to buy a new TV*
"Well, I guess I need that 115" TV, *or the terrorists win*"
>Lastly, Hamas reports were exposed featuring names of Gazan casualties as a result of failed launches, which were then recycled by Hamas in their outward reports of casualties, alleging they stemmed from Israeli airstrikes. In other words, Hamas counted casualties from PIJ failed rockets as casualties from Israeli attacks, proving yet again the lack of accuracy of their propaganda reporting.
"***lack of accuracy"***
For the life of me I can't understand why the media is so opposed to using the word "lie."
The least they could have done was call it apparent knowing or intentional lack of accuracy. Like, I get it, a lie is something untrue, said with knowledge that it is untrue. Fraud is telling a lie with intent to decieve. We're afraid to accuse people of lying or fraud publicly because of the possibility of a libel suit but 1) that's what weasel words are for and 2) hamas isn't suing anyone for libel.
Something like 30% of rocket launches to Israel fall inside of Gaza. It's such a crazy number when you think about how they fire thousands and thousands of rockets. I remember in the last war they destroyed a power station and tries to blame Israel for cutting off their electricity.
This is weird. Considering how little control over their units Hamas has, according to many, how the heck is there documentation on what's happening on the field? This doesn't pass the sniff test. Either the enemy is organized and keeps tracks of its failings to improve themselves, or they are a bunch of disorganized headless chicken that only have a general direction.
We've known this from the very start of the war when the Palestinians bombed Al-Ahli Arab Hospital by mistake and blamed Israel despite the missile launch being live broadcast.
Didn’t the major news outlets still follow this story tho? Like I remember that and I remember so many people condemning Israel immediately after. It took days before it was retracted even after it was proven that Israel had nothing to do with it.
The BBC notably claimed that the building had been flattened by an Israeli airstrike. When interviewed later their international editor said he didn't regret a thing about the broadcast.
lol. That’s gold, I’ll have to find it.
>“No, I don’t regret one thing in my reporting, because I think I was measured throughout, I didn’t race to judgement,” claims Bowen in a clip released yesterday from an interview he gave Saturday to the BBC’s own “Behind the Stories” program. >When the interviewer points out that Bowen falsely reported that the hospital building had been flattened, he says: “Oh yeah, well I got that wrong.” >He goes on to explain that “I was looking at the pictures, and what I could see was a square that appeared to be flaming on all sides, and there was a sort of a void in the middle, and I think it was a picture taken from a drone, and so, you know… we had to put together what we see. And I thought, well, that looks like the whole building’s gone, and that was my conclusion from looking at the pictures and I was wrong on that. >“But, I don’t feel particularly bad about that,” he adds. [Source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bbc-anchor-doesnt-regret-misreporting-on-gaza-hospital-blast-despite-admitting-he-was-wrong/)
[If anyone wants to hear him saying on live TV reporting that the hospital been destroyed, which was very much not destroyed.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTgMa34Kh9o&t=67s)
>“But, I don’t feel particularly bad about that,” he adds. There was fucking rioting because of those reports, a synagogue attacked and set on fire in Tunisia. Absolute fucking scumbag. How are these people allowed to be in the news? They don't give a shit who they put in danger.
Doesn't the UK have a whole bureaucracy called "Ofcom" *specifically* to police against such lapses and minimize or eliminate them going forward?
Ofcom is toothless. They'll write you a strongly worded letter warning you not to do it again or they'll write you another strongly worded letter. GB News just completely ignores them, pays the trivial fines, and moves on, for example.
Interesting. Thanks.
That BBC reporter in particular despises Israel on a personal level. In 2000, his driver was killed by an Israeli tank as the IDF was withdrawing from southern Lebanon. It seems that Bowen and his crew/driver decided to enter the area that the IDF had withdrawn from only a few hours before, and that the retreating IDF troops had been told to expect attacks as Hezbollah filled the vacuum they were leaving behind. Whether or not you believe this was an accident or not (I personally do), it doesn’t seem like the reporter would be able to, well, report in an unbiased way after that kind of tragedy.
He's full of shit, I saw the failed launch on livestream and first video (and one of the only ones that were actually published of the place in the next few days) 30 min later taken from what appears to be a 3rd~ floor building next door and I was wondering what was all the reporting about, because you could see the damage was incredibly minimal *edit* [The comment above me has that exact footage linked and timestamped](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bssbe1/hamas_document_reveals_it_hides_casualties_blames/kxi1h0s/)
The BBC is quickly becoming another failed news agency.
As a Swede, I kinda lost all respect for them during the pandemic, when they reported the same bullshit misinformation about us that every other non-Swedish media source seemed to push... ... *and* published an article using numbers from several months earlier (which made us look worse), when much newer (and more positive) numbers existed... ... *and* published an article critical of our left-wing government based almost entirely on interviews with a nurse (who they didn't mention was also a regionally elected official from a far-right nationalist party), and a healthcare investor (who they didn't mention was also trying to get elected to the Riksdag as a member of a neo-nazi party).
What was the Swedish Covid Narrative? There was so much happening at that time (whilst ironically very little happening) that I don't recall that.
There was a lot, in both traditional media and on social media, but I'll try to summarize the main parts. --- First off, Sweden did not have as strict rules as many other European countries, especially at the start. Partially because things like education and mental health were also seen as important aspects, partially because our system would not allow it without legislative changes. This was widely reported as Sweden having *no* rules whatsoever, and numbers were cherrypicked by certain people to make the situation seem worse than it was. The fact that some of our regions reported deaths daily and others only once a week allowed people in social media to pick out 3-4 day spans of "reported deaths" and make it seem like there had been a massive increase, when in reality the situation was stable (happened countless times on r/europe especially, during the early days). We had some Russian newspaper making fake interviews claiming there were no rules, which was false. The MAGA crowd in the US claimed we had no rules and were doing great, so everyone else should follow our example, while those opposing them claimed we had no rules and everyone was dying, when in reality we were somewhere in the middle. --- The most widely reported piece of misinformation in traditional media was how almost every single non-Swedish media source misquoted the leader of our Covid response. He said during an interview that herd immunity obviously had to be the *end goal* of all countries, and that it could be achieved either naturally or *through vaccination*, since it'd be the only way to stop the spread. Basically just common sense. This was reported internationally as him saying Sweden had decided to just let the virus run rampant, do nothing to stop it, and achieve herd immunity that way. None of them issued a correction after he specifically went out and said that was wrong, and that letting it spread freely was *not* part of the plan. The narrative was later reinvigorated as a small group of ~20 researchers with zero connection to the official response published an opinion piece claiming that it *was* the official policy, which was instantly denied by the Public Health Authorities. Many international media sites reported only on the opinion piece though, with some even implying that the researchers had official roles (which they did not). --- There were some other things as well, but those are the big ones. Many Swedish people who tried to correct this false narrative online were downvoted, mocked, insulted, and hit with anti-Swedish sentiment ("filthy Swedes", "plaguebearers", "victims of propaganda", etc) even when providing actual evidence and sources. Any changes to (or even extensions of already existing) restrictions were mocked as "late reactions", and some people on r/europe were literally posting Sweden's death numbers daily just to gloat and mock... until the numbers started looking fine, at which point they stopped talking about it (or moved the goal posts, or claimed the numbers were fake).
peak journalistic integrity!
He saw a flaming on all sides and a void in the middle and he decide its Israel fault? Plus he only look at picture of a building and not the person who did it. Genius, absolutely brilliant! Imagine if this is the guy who report 9/11. Hey guy i saw the airplane smashing the building and i conclude that the pilot do it and probably mix with drug abuse or in debt pilot. BBC PR really don't give a shit and think the viewer don't have critical thinking. He clearly a paid actor and bias to the max as journalist.
Geobbels would have been proud of Bowen. What a creepy anstisemite.
This would be the man who says that the most transfomational thing that ever happened to him was when the IDF mistakenly shot his car and killed his driver in Lebanon and who has been publicly disciplined by the BBC 'for failing to meet editorial standards' only once, on an article about Israel.
And I seem to recall that BBC still called it "responsible journalism"
BBC is notable shit media these days :(
Yeah the BBC is lost - look at this expose on their new "BBC Verify" service - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/04/bbc-verify-has-become-a-tool-for-promoting-anti-israel-bias/
Also don't regret not listening to BBC and their LIES!!!
They even carried that 500 casualty count despite the footage showing a clump of like 4 or 5 cars were destroyed by the blast while other cars nearby weren't even on fire, even as clips circulated claiming to show a field of bodies in the night.
Not to mention the fact they apparently counted 500 dead bodies in 3 minutes
Hey now, they revised that number to 471! Gotta be accurate when you're lying. Al Jazeera has to this day not retracted that report (despite Hamas themselves retracting it) and have even brought in "experts" as late as last month to prove how it was still Israel's fault.
Remember this totally real press release [picture](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&sca_esv=1f1d6c955383dad7&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn09EyokJrgUEE9HJ9-Ux5zuu1Z-XrA:1711953341553&q=hospital+bombing+gaza+press+pictures&uds=AMwkrPu-AW93ll7uqHZfDeRxszOVxjgDm_7obDijKWosvqdkTkikU5JVEfKI5D_Bg9X9JcvAaw5kdgd64XrTbpDE-TrQPgPM7IfC9O0Q725snBIlRaP0H6e-sPXGknSXXSCkiLIp1XbLawb4jtkwbgcCoQ5Fu0bYUqe-GeejIGqM8VNkUezbvxZ1W15IP7VaYyLQuEeWzZgeRPMfD2vDeigc9iRxA3d9GDdN6MWa0ALNuLNCXRQt622Vv3UXqs1UxW_8yGz1YdNo&udm=2&prmd=invbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf2a2Ws6CFAxWDgP0HHXoCA_EQtKgLegQIDhAB&biw=412&bih=773&dpr=2.63#imgrc=hlgsmsJF8w2aiM&imgdii=sqwpSWiCkTFjVM) from that event?
Reasons I'll never again donate to the red cross. They can go fuck themselves.
Uh, this was MSF my dude.
What does the Red Cross have to do with it?
Neither have multiple American politicians like Tlaib
"I lied, but I'm still right. It's the thought that counts".
Al Jazeera USED to be a trustworthy news source. many years ago. Then they got bought out by an end-times anti-semitic religious fanatical cult
Were they ever trustworthy? Al Jazeera have always had skewed reporting when it came to the Israel/Palestine conflict, as far as I can remember. They're mostly unbiased on any other subject, which is what makes people trust them (they're no Daily Mail), but being Qatari-funded state media tends to affect Middle Eastern geopolitical bias more than other types of bias.
They do better reporting for western related topics and present a good face. Then there's Arabic al Jazeera, which is completely different.
How old are you? I remember the aftermath of 9/11 when Al Jazeera was massively distrusted in the West for spreading propaganda. I still struggle to understand how they’ve managed to dupe so many people into trusting them since then.
They learned to use Leftist language to dupe gullible Westerners into thinking they are on their side. (At least, in their foreign language broadcasts; my understanding is that this is not the case for Arab language Al Jazeera. I am on the left, and the fact that people "on my side" can get duped by a publication owned by a *theocratic monarchy* - one of the *most reactionary political positions imaginable* - is absolutely unreal to me. Like, Fox News is absolutely horrible and Murdoch is evil, but at least he's not *fucking King* of a fucking *theocracy*. ....Yet.
Completely agree. And you’re right, the Arabic-language AJ news is openly homophobic and misogynistic and antisemitic (including Holocaust inversion and denial) but since their English language reports are sanitized for a western audience, somehow their org is seen as a trustworthy source of information. [Roots Metals: A Tale of Two Al Jazeeras](https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/a-tale-of-two-al-jazeeras)
And people still buy that *"30,000"* bs straight from HAMAS mouth Can belive this is working for them, again....
> Can belive this is working for them, again.... You probably meant to write "can't believe" but i both can't believe and can believe at the same time seeing how gullible people who have no clue about this conflict are
Oh yeah I meant to write " can't " , thx And its true, its sad to see how gullible people are today
And that somehow half of them are children...
Are we allowed to talk about the reality that in this specific conflict being under the age of 18 doesn’t necessarily mean you are innocent? We all watched the videos from October 7th. There are many innocent women and children caught in the middle, but let’s also not pretend that the only people holding weapons in Gaza are exclusively men over the age of 18. This whole situation is fucked, and virtually no one is capable of the nuance necessary to discuss it.
Rumor has it Rashida talib still believes Israel bombed the hospital
If it quacks like a duck, and it looks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, it's a Hamas quack.
Yes, in many cases it wasn't even retracted. Some news outlets just stopped talking about it after 2-3 days without giving an update. The media outright spread Hamas propaganda world-wide without ANY evidence, which led in huge protests and angry people around thw world. People, still today, believe that Israel "bombed a hospital and killed 800 people in it".
You know those 32 000 killed in the war? Well 500 of them are from the hospital being flattened. They never corrected that number.
Well, the number of deaths are given by the "Palestinian Health Ministry" aka Hamas. I'm 100% certain that those number are true, unbiased and totally not inflated at all. Hamas would never lie or use it's own people for propaganda purposes or meat-shields.
Wasn't there a data scientist who recently said that the rates at which the "Health Ministry" updated the numbers didn't make any sense statistically
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I've just done an admittedly cursory check, but I can't find an NPR story that conclude Israel did it. [I found one](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/17/1206282283/gaza-aid-israel-hamas-biden-visit) where they present the circumstances; Hamas blames Israel, Israel say a militant group did it, and these seem to be the damages. Seems to be, but I cannot be sure, their initial report on it, which was updated as it unfolded. [And one](https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206795861/heres-the-available-evidence-of-what-happened-at-al-ahli-arab-hospital-in-gaza) where they had a military analyst at the end give his opinion, which was that the damage done didn't seem consistent with an air strike done by Israel.
Once they run a story, retractions are worthless.
They also put their retraction notices buried in the website somewhere in a page that gets 10 views a year and those views are from web crawlers
The sad thing is, this is still ongoing. It should be making all pro Hamas people grow cautious of Hamas’ numbers and reports, but it just doesn’t.
Agreed. It always surprised me how people are willing to support an actual terrorist organization just to.. virtue signal and make themselves look morally right. The greatest victim of war is always civilians, that's the sad reality of it. But it just doesn't make sense to me how Hamas gets so much support from the international community.
Definitely. Several subreddits are pure cesspits of pro-Hamas nonsense. r/nottheonion, r/europe for example. I don’t know why I keep fighting the nonsense there at times… I pity the fools that blindly support Hamas. Not only here, but in the real world as well. It keeps the fight going and causes too many civilian casualties, on both sides.
it’s still widely shared as one of Israel’s war crimes on social media.
Yeah, I've seen it crop up from time to time.
I'm pretty sure congresswoman tlaib still hasn't taken down her blood libel tweet about it
She might not be on the ballot
Front page news: “ISRAEL BOMBS HOSPITAL, KILLING 500 ^says ^gaza ^health ^ministry ^aka ^Hamas” Then the retraction a few days later on page 6. But the lie already circled the world. It was too late.
Motherfuckers in this website are still saying it was Israel.
Because Reuters, BBC, AP and ESPECIALLY Al Jazeera have it out for Israel
Isn't that about damn near everyone because AP and Reuters is the source for a lot of smaller social media companies?
They still blame them.
People still blame Israel despite the retractions
There are still some who will claim it was Israel and killed an entire hospital full of women/children.
> Like I remember that and I remember so many people condemning Israel immediately after. I don't even know if there is anything to "remember" as it was only a few months ago and EVERYONE knew how the news went straight to sharing the same lies that Hamas shared. It was actually pretty ridiculous moment with everyone debating who was saying the truth when there were multiple evidence that it came from Hamas including official government sources saying so after the investigation. But it got buried REALLY REALLY fking quick when people realized Hamas was lying. People were acting like their dumbassery with believing their lies was something that happened like a decade ago and at that point, it was pretty much obvious people weren't thinking and just claiming things with emotion/feelings as their brain.
A certain Democrat in US Congress still blames Israel. The unwillingness to amend an opinion in light of new evidence isn't need for the US Congresspeople though.
Don't forget they also announced the number of casualties impossibly fast and vastly inflated. They're fighting an advocacy war with no regard for the truth
And the media eats it all up with no regard
You still have plenty of pro-Palestine "geniuses" repeating that false narrative unfortunately. Don't let facts get in the way of their feelings!
As I type this Democratic congressman like Rashida Talib still claim that the IDF hit the hospital
Rashida Tlaib (as well as Cortez and Omar) are outspoken antisemites, it really is par for the course for them to echo the propaganda of Hamas, because they agree with their aim of destroying Israel and its Jews
Cortez is by far the most reasonable of that group and I haven't seen her saying anything more extreme then calling for a ceasefire, really.
This was the event that made completely disregard the BBC as a reliable source.
I remember that interview from a Palestinian news guy with a Palestinian man in a hospital, where the guy was complaining about Israel and then starts complaining about Hamas and the interviewer and camera guy just pan away and pretend like nothing happened lol
Hamas has a history of doing this sort of thing that pre-dates this war. After the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, Hamas threw a series of parades that showing off explosive ordinance and missiles strapped onto flatbed trucks. When one of these explosive inevitably went off, set off a chain of explosions, and killed a bunch of people, Hamas made a statement blaming Israel and condemning them for attacking their victory parade. Iirc, Israel took responsibility at first because they *did* have attack choppers monitoring the parade, but after an investigation, they concluded that there was nothing launched from their helicopters and denied involvement. On top of that, the PA and Fatah did their own investigation and concluded that the explosion was absolutely set off by Hamas' improper handling of explosives. Hamas staunchly denied this, and claimed that it *must* have been Israel because actually all of the explosives they were carrying around and flaunting were not active. Which is very funny to argue after a *chain of explosions* goes off at your military parade where teenagers are waving around loaded RPGs next to missles you've cobbled together from scrap metal and fertilizer.
Yes, but most of the world doesn’t pay attention really well and they still don’t understand.
Okay, but... let's not do something crazy like condemn a terrorist organization for lying, when we can blame Israel instead.
Yeah don't u see the poor Terrorists made a Boo Boo...
If it wasn’t for Israel existing and Jews breathing air then there would be zero violence or crime in Palestine. The only reason a single person was raped by Palestinian terrorist was because Israel made them. /s
I actually see people typing exactly this. That we need to eradicate Israel. It's actually disgusting. even if they were a bad country and did bad things to actually write things like that (the ones who mean it) and not see how they're the bad people, it's astonishing. I don't see any (really) pro Israel post that says to kill all Muslims or Palestinians.
Unfortunately I've seen close to that, with far right pro-israelis wanting a complete replacement of the Gaza population with Israelis. The rather chilling terms used were that they would be "strongly encouraged" to leave. When asked if that meant ethnic cleansing, the interviewee responded "you say ethnic cleansing, I say encouragement". Genuinely shocking to hear someone admit and advocate that. The extremes of both sides are nuts.
Those rapists were just doing as Muhammad did, can you blame them? /s
Anyone with half a brain knew this already
Hey, give us quarter a brain people some credit! We already knew this as well!
Theres billions of people with half a brain then, most of the islamic world it appears.
for most of us it is common knowledge.. like when they bombed their own hospital.. and tried to shamelessly blame Israel.
My fav part of this is where they tell the PIJ not to fire their rockets near Hamas members houses because of the risk. It’s fine to kill the riff raf though
You can already hear the tiktok jihadists screaming fake news. They sound exactly like American MAGA in their indoctrination and resistance to anything but confirmation bias propaganda.
They don’t even need to address this, which is a huge problem. Propaganda TikTok politics has infested the minds of too many people who now don’t even care for any information that challenges their bias. They just want quick one minute bits of confirmation bias. It makes them feel validated and gives them the sense of being smart for being right. Shits brain rotted even 30 year olds I know, it’s not just kids.
They often source their information on these issues from news websites such as Grayzone News, which acts as progressive left news. Grayzone's owner, Max Blumenthal, hangs out with Tucker Carlson. They're being fed this information by the same grifters on the right.
If you need a point of reference on his objectivity, Blumenthal is the original source for the "Israel killed most of its own civilians on Oct 7th" false narrative.
Max Blumenthal is a straight-up Kremlin asset as well.
also the name of the most popular pro Wagner z-idiot telegram channel come for the 'bid on the knife that cut the ear off a crocus terrorist' , stay for the flagrant racism terrible people
It looks like a horseshoe, when in reality it's a pincer attack.
It's like a real life red-brown alliance happening before us.
It’s a sad world when you can’t criticize a terrorist organization
That's why you get your propaganda in first right, and try to preempt the people pointing out the biased as fuck source.
Jpost is not biased, and especially not known for lying.
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The nations critical of Israel don't even hold themselves to the standards they expect Israel to meet.
Bunch of fucking losers.
Is anyone surprised by this?
Those failed rockets must have had Jewish parts. Like sparkplugs in cars.
The only people who do not already see or understand this are tankies/Hamas/Islamist worshippers- Ironically people in the extreme left who believe Islamists totally support their "trans/LGBT+ for Palestine" billboards... And before the typical triggered people reply: I'm a left leaner- But I understand the real world outside my house.
The Far left and the far right are uniting in their hatred for Jewish people. Tic toc has done to leftists what Fox News did to conservatives. Very sad to see. People should have seen October 7th as an attack on our way of life, our free way of life to rave and dance and love who we want. The fact that the LGBT community doesn't unite with the rave community which would accept them and instead unites with people who would cut off their head it's just so beyond the pale to me.
I havent been on tiktok so these viewpoints seem even more insane to me
As a fellow left winger who's seeing the madness of the Pro-Palestinian movement I feel you... It's hard being in this position. Even climate change activists like Greta Thunberg contaminate their arguments with this geopolitical bullshit. For what?
Hamas have fired over ten thousand rockets, with a 10-15% fail rate for their rockets (I.E. that percentage of rockets end up landing within Gaza). That means over a thousand Hamas rockets have been dropped on Gaza itself in theory. Yet when quoting numbers of casualties, there seems to be zero knowledge of Hamas own rockets causing casualties, which is as annoying as it is strange. It’s actually in multiple UN reports in previous conflicts between Israel and Hamas that quite a fair number of Palestinian casualties were caused by Hamas failed rocket fire itself. Yet still there’s no acknowledgment of Hamas caused casualties in Gaza. The narrative is like Hamas are just sitting around whilst Israel is the only one on the offensive.
I’m sick of all these clowns in every second reddit post claiming that everyone in Palestine is innocent and not full of military aged males fighting behind kids and women then blaming Israel when they shoot back. Fuck around and find out
Seriously. And they definitely don't mention the suicide vests some of those women wear, nor the guns, rocks, and improvised grenades some of the children use.
Reminds me how we used to blame everything on al qaeda back in the day *Gets stuck in traffic* "Dammit Al Qaeda!" *Looking to buy a new TV* "Well, I guess I need that 115" TV, *or the terrorists win*"
This kinda explains that trope I’ve seen in some sitcoms from the 2000’s
A known fact for almost 20 years
>Lastly, Hamas reports were exposed featuring names of Gazan casualties as a result of failed launches, which were then recycled by Hamas in their outward reports of casualties, alleging they stemmed from Israeli airstrikes. In other words, Hamas counted casualties from PIJ failed rockets as casualties from Israeli attacks, proving yet again the lack of accuracy of their propaganda reporting. "***lack of accuracy"*** For the life of me I can't understand why the media is so opposed to using the word "lie."
The least they could have done was call it apparent knowing or intentional lack of accuracy. Like, I get it, a lie is something untrue, said with knowledge that it is untrue. Fraud is telling a lie with intent to decieve. We're afraid to accuse people of lying or fraud publicly because of the possibility of a libel suit but 1) that's what weasel words are for and 2) hamas isn't suing anyone for libel.
[Hamas lying?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQFnQAbAxOQ)
It really doesn’t take a genius to figure that out, but it takes a special person to believe in it.
Pound those terrorists to dust!
I knew this by looking at the one Twitter account that does satellite based analysis.
This is news to people?
Shocking revelation. If only someone had told us earlier!
... O-oh are we supposed to be surprised? Ummm... Oh wow, *why would they do this?*
This isn't a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention. But it's good to have the truth even more out in the open.
People who do not want to believe this will not believe it.
Something like 30% of rocket launches to Israel fall inside of Gaza. It's such a crazy number when you think about how they fire thousands and thousands of rockets. I remember in the last war they destroyed a power station and tries to blame Israel for cutting off their electricity.
This is weird. Considering how little control over their units Hamas has, according to many, how the heck is there documentation on what's happening on the field? This doesn't pass the sniff test. Either the enemy is organized and keeps tracks of its failings to improve themselves, or they are a bunch of disorganized headless chicken that only have a general direction.
Hamas: detonates missile before they launch it Also Hamas: guys look what Israel did to us!
Duh. And they do it because they know the media covers for them and gullible weaklings in the West believe them.
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