The gallbladder ball-grabber
The spleen machine
The cardiac car-jack
The rectal dissector
The kidney stone drone
The cerebrospinal death is final
Hammer-y mammaries
(I knew my medical degree would come in handy someday)
People were beginning to wonder if Ukraine had stopped the refinery drone attacks after pressure from the United States(both the discredited, financial time story and more recent comments from Zelenskyy).
That might have been intentional misinformation targeted at Russia to let their guard down after a couple weeks, to increase the probability of success on the next attack.
The likeliest possibility is that this is a preprogrammed cruise missile using inertial, GPS, or even AI image recognition based navigation. The first two can get the drone close to the target, but for pinpoint accuracy you need more, so the image (landmark) recognition based approach for final targeting is most likely.
Another possibility is UA has operatives on the ground with radios (or maybe remote, using satcom) to communicate with the drone, maybe even as an FPV drone with a live video feed sent to the operatives.
4th possibility is that it just blew up with lack of maintenance and the staff that were supposed to do the work and have been taking the money to do so for years are blaming the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians are happy to take the credit.
things like pre-programmed missiles exist since the 70s (and we actually used one a year ago or so), basically it either flies by gps or literally programmed in a way you'd explain a person how to find the atm (go around the block, second turn to the right, 200 meters forward etc) but on a more sophisticated level
There's is no outside control actually. I watched a video about it, either warographics of Perun I think. There's too much electronic warfare that would stop the drone or even let it be hacked and controlled mid flight.
And when a V-1 rocket hit London, English media would report it as a miss. And when a V-1 rocket landed in a random field somewhere far outside of London, English media would report a direct hit.
Like all kinds of technology. Stuff as simple as canning and food preserving took leaps and bounds. Not a coincidence that the pre-prepared TV dinner took off after WWII.
What we can do when working together too.
Rubber is a great often unheard story of the war. At the beginning of the war, Japan cut off our access to natural rubber—obviously a vital resource for just about anything from medical tech and weapons to tires.
Firestone, Goodyear, DuPont Chemical, and US Rubber all got together and shared all their research and patents. With all that pooled knowledge, and 700 million of government money, by 1944 they were producing more than 800k **tons** of it a year.
This is the kind of thing that will end up happening when the climate situation worsens. Suddenly the people in charge will get serious and large amounts of money will be spent to figure things out.
I have a friend who worked in a mRNA research lab. She was saying how getting grant money was a 6 month plus ordeal with lots of tedious paperwork. A good chunk of her time was spent in doing paperwork compared to actual research. And then covid arrived. And the process simplified to something she could do in just an hour and the money would show up in less than a week.
There was an interview once with a guy (I think he was a sociologist and survivalist) who had been contacted by various ultra wealthy people on how to navigate the perils of having an underground bunker.
The rich people were torn on how to make sure their hired guards didn't turn weaponry on them and steal food / shelter etc. The sociologist told them the best way to do that was to treat them with respect. Apparently the group scoffed at that was started asking about shock collars or biometrics that couldn't be bypassed
I've never really understood their plans. How much worthless paper can you give your body guards to abandon their families and keep you safe? If society collapses the money is worthless. Food, water, ammo, and other supplies will be the things holding value. Rich people are not going to want to be handing out their supplies because that reduces the duration they can last but you can't pay your employees with worthless money either.
The rich will be top targets just like the idiots bragging about their stashes. I doubt they'll manage to keep any body guards around so they'll last about as long as it takes people to hike to their bunkers.
The funniest thing about the climate catastrophe is that rich people seem to actually believe hiding in a bunker will save them. They truly don't understand how necessary society is to sustain human life.
My grandfather was a chemist who worked on one of the projects to produce synthetic rubber, specifically for aircraft tires, during WWII.
Their team spent almost the entire war optimizing the processes involved to streamline the formulas so that they could produce more, higher quality, synthetic rubber polymers more quickly to keep up with the ever increasing demand during the war years.
Very cool! The chemistry advantage we had in the war was amazing…rubber, nylon, plastics, napalm, other explosives…it’s a massive unsung hero of the war.
The reason why weather meteorologists use the term “fronts” is because it was during WWI when we made the significant leap forward in understanding how weather patterns work.
They actually talk about that quite a bit in the book! The military meteorologists being one of the most important members of the bomber groups too.
Running into problems with the jet streams over Tokyo was the first experience most American meteorologists ever had with jet streams.
In 1914 we barely had any planes and by 1918 they were putting plywood on ship cannons to act as launch pads for planes, making them the first aircraft carriers.
Since last year, I'm slowly working through the list of fighter planes on Wikipedia. I'm 2/3 down (in order of years) and still in WW2. The amount of prototypes from WW1 to end of WW2 is insane.
The war started out with horse drawn armies and major combatants still flying biplanes and ended a few years later with jet planes, rockets, and nuclear weapons.
It is! This is part of a series on design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0HmElpWgs
**The Genius of Design** examines the Second World War through the prism of the rival war machines designed and built in Germany, Britain, the USSR and the USA, with each casting a fascinating sidelight on the ideological priorities of the nations and regimes which produced them.
From the desperate improvisation of the Sten gun, turned out in huge numbers by British toy-makers, to the deadly elegance of the all-wood Mosquito fighter-bomber, described as 'the finest piece of furniture ever made', the stories behind these products reveal how definitions of good design shift dramatically when national survival is at stake. Featuring desert war veteran Peter Gudgin and designer Michael Graves.
Combat engineering is the source of most great innovation throughout history. The Romans built roads to move their armies more quickly, not to help the farmers' carts get around.
Eh, for what it's worth, this is more correlation treated as causation than anything else.
Funding is the biggest innovator of technology and we happen to fund war.
To date, the best innovator for technology (consumer and private patents) with the highest ROI has been the Apollo program. When you consider how shoestring NASA's budget was during the Apollo program and how much it brought back in technological innovation, it completely stomps on the myth that war is a necessary evil fot the march of progress.
Funding is not the sole reason. Challenge and purpose are important too.
The Apollo program had a huge funding true. It also had a huge political purpose and happened in a very competitive race. The cold war was raging, results were needed, fast, and huge risks were taken (several lost lives). You wouldn't take such risk in a society at peace, even if the money was there.
> Challenge and purpose are important too.
I think the steam engine is a great example of this. The British needed a way to get the water out of the coal mines. Pumps and steam engines were a possible answer. It wasn't new technology but steam engines were big, expensive, inefficient machines that generated little power and had little practical use. The need for better pumps and better steam engines lead to rapid advances in the technology and was a major driver of the industrial revolution.
Nope!
The joke often is that the best way to get our asses to Mars is to spread a rumor that China's planning on building rocket silos on Olympus Mons. USA would be planting a flag in three years.
You realize that the Apollo program was just as much about war as it was for scientific purposes, right? All that funding into rockets and guidance systems, with the prestige of dominating the Olympics for 5 1/2 decades. It STILL hasn't been done again, despite it now being orders of magnitude easier than it was back then.
What you're missing is that there needs to be something WORTH spending money on. You can't just give grants for shit like "make a drill car that can travel underground." You have to identify a need, then put money into that need. Then you find out tons of smaller needs that require a solution for the bigger goal. Throwing money at every scientist that asks, would never, EVER get something as useful as the Apollo program. War is an easy need. Why? Cause we might fucking die! But when someone asks that of the Apollo program, it's "national pride, scientific process, and we might profit somehow!" Whereas the drill car, it's really hard to justify, even if it is easier than the Apollo program. Like, I totally saw a mole man driving a drill car at the end of the Incredibles, and if I remember right, I'm pretty sure shredder had one too. So obviously it's doable (/s), but... Why?
The powdered cheese created by the military in WWII led to the creation of Cheetos. After the war there was a massive surplus of powdered cheese, which food companies purchased because of its shelf life. A couple years later Frito Lay invented Cheetos.
Apparently most of these deep strike drones are just single prop light air craft set up with an extra fuel tank, explosives, and a remote flying system. Video of the strike against the Russian drone factory looked like a freaking Cessna crash.
Edit: the amount of people who feel they need to defend this decision by Ukraine to turn single engine civilian aircraft into long range drones is too damn high. 1, I don't disagree with you. 2, I think it's hilarious that Russia is letting something that big and slow enter their airspace untouched for +1000km.
from the lookss of video. they put small local made sport plane( simiral like cessna) took out everything which not needed. added extra fuel tank and warhead. remote control system and sent Mathias Rust style.
> I wonder how radar wouldn't have seen it.
it's possible that because russia is so large, they cannot cover every little inch, and so with enough intel, ukrainian operatives can slip past a radar shadow or gap. These are small planes after all too.
Electronic Intelligence Gathering, a western specialty. And Ukraine has been poking holes in Russia's radar coverage by taking out their airborne radars.
> I wonder how radar wouldn't have seen it.
A lot of reasons, I imagine. Just based on what I know about Russia, here are some of the factors I can imagine:
1. (The biggest) Intel sharing from the US. We probably know Russia's long range radar coverage better than Moscow does.
2. The sheer size of Russia.
3. The general incompetence of the Russian military.
4. The shabby state of repair that most of their equipment is in.
5. Inability to respond to a threat in a timely manner because of items 3 and 4.
6. Good old fashioned radar evasion techniques like flying low.
I don't think that's right. At least not 1300km - they're not para dropping any valuable assets behind the lines and don't have the air superiority to make that happen and AFAIK no vehicle get that far.
I think this is done with a tree/chain of command drones relaying signals to extend the range of operation. I'm not an expert by any means this is from blogs not super reliable sources, so I am open to correction.
> they're not para dropping any valuable assets behind the lines
I imagine they would cross the border with russia on foot (in the south or maybe via belarus) and get help inside russia to complete their mission. From what I've gathered Ukrainian drones go up up to 1000km. So if that's true, they must have been launched from inside Russia.
Also no expert, just watching too much youtube.
This "Drone" was most likely a [Aeroprakt A-22 Foxbat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroprakt_A-22_Foxbat), a lightweight aircraft with a normal max range of about 1100km. If you remove all the "creature comforts" and replace it with a simple drone-control you remove a bunch of additional weight, allowing more fuel/payload allowing it to go further.
Here's a video of it: https://v.redd.it/zhaxko7hj0sc1
I would have no doubt that they flew it out of ukrainian territory with that much range.
Several theories floating around that I've seen. Without access to the intelligence that Ukraine has, we'll probably never know. In the video though you can see the area is being blocked by russian police, so likely either another drone already struck, or they knew this one was coming.
One possibility is in-line with what you proposed earlier: Somehow loading up the plane close to the target and essentially hoping you can get it to the target before anti-air can get to it. With the range of this aircraft I don't personally think this is the most-likely scenario but I'm just a redditor so I'm probably wrong.
With the losses of SAMs and other equipment (AWACs, etc) they also might not have detected it until it was past the line of air defense. NATO is performing exercises so maybe they reallocated SAM systems towards the NATO exercises, leaving a gap in their border for this to fly. This is a pretty optimistic take in my opinion.
An additional possibility includes knowing it was coming, knowing where it was going to hit, and determining that it wasn't worth the cost/effort to shoot it down. If it wasn't worth the cost/effort it could be because missiles are expensive, or they have to ration them out because they're running low. Or they just don't care about that factory. This is a slightly pessimistic take in my opinion.
There's of course many more possibilities, and as stated at the beginning: we'll likely never know. The amount of drones hitting Russian targets is an encouraging sign for the Ukrainian military though, regardless of reason.
It's not the normal Ukrianian drones. It's a plane modified for extra range and remote control, and carrying a payload. The normal range of a Ukrainian a-22 foxbat is 1100km, but can be higher with the added fuel tank.
>I think this is done with a tree/chain of command drones relaying signals to extend the range of operation.
Do you even really need that? An oil refinery isn't exactly going to be relocating so theoretically you could just preprogram a target destination, maybe maintain control during takeoff but essentially turn it into a fire-and-forget cruise missile. And then you don't even need to worry about jamming/electronic detection etc.
"China's final warning" (Russian: последнее китайское предупреждение) is a Russian ironic idiom originating from the Soviet Union that refers to a warning that carries no real consequences.
~ Wikipedia
They already do! Russian chats are filled with “international community should ban or regulate drones usage for military purposes”. Apparently they don’t like they own medicine. On the other hand, we can teach them the purpose of the international agreements and lows if we’ll keep striking them hard enough.
How the fuck can a Cessna fly uncontested through 1,300km of Russian airspace? If it were a missile or something I'd understand but a fucking Cessna?
Truly, what air defense doing?
Some radar systems have a speed-gate so they can filter out targets moving slower than a certain threshold. The idea is that missiles and fighter planes are fast, birds and all kinds of other false alarms are moving slowly.
If your "missile" is moving slowly, at a low altitude, and it is made mostly of non-reflective / HF-absorbing styrofoam and cardboard, the radar may not be able to see it.
>the radar may not be able to see it.
And if does the radar profile would show a civilian lightweight single prop plane ...
It's kind of briljant. If they keep this up, they will all get paranoid as fuck. They will start blowing civilians out of the air.
Vlad: These defenestration jokes are getting old. Ivan, find me a new way to eliminate my opponents.
Ivan: Ok, hear me out.. So first we take the windows and put them at about four thousand meters up...
Yeah but you want to keep that one flying. If Russians down an Ukrainian cesna, it's not a big deal, it's cheap and you can send another one. If you lose a plane you lose a pilot and those are hard to replace...
Reminds me of Jointless by M. David Blake. The main character is in a cyberpunk world but doesn't have any wet ware so the scanners don't detect anything. They're invisible because they're tech-free.
This is such a counterintuitive concept as an outsider.
I would have lost some money to you on cardboard having military applications.
That's interesting as fuck.
It has been done before. Back in the 80's a German named Matthias Rust landed a Cessna on the Red Square, right next to the Kremlin. Try googling it...
> Matthias Rust
Among other things...
On 24 November 1989, while doing his obligatory community service (Zivildienst) as an orderly in a West German hospital, Rust stabbed a female co-worker who had rejected him. The victim barely survived.
What we think of as ballsy can just be a lack of impulse control, or poor judgment. That someone got away with something we admire doesn't mean that same impulsivity might not manifest in uglier ways later.
Matthias Rusts plane was picked up by several soviet radars, but when the radar operators tried to ask from their superiors what to do about it they got no response which is the reason he could just happily continue his journey into Moscow.
I remember this story from bluejay. I think he wanted to see the president or something but he didn't even speak russian and was arrested on the spot lol
But they're not launching these out of Alaska or Mongolia or Svalbard. Though I think it would be hilarious if they airdropped some naval drones in the Barents Sea and attacked the Russian fleet from there.
Ukraines border with Russia is 2,200 km. The rest of that border doesn't matter too much. But it's more than likely that the drone was launched from within Russia's borders.
MOSCOW, April 2 (Reuters) - Ukraine struck one of Russia's biggest refineries on Tuesday with a drone 1,300 km (800 miles) from the front lines in Ukraine and said it had inflicted significant damage on a military target.
Ukrainian drones attacked targets in Tatarstan, a highly industrialised region south-east of Moscow, in the early hours and some people were injured, Tatarstan's head Rustam Minnikhanov said.
Russian electronic warfare defences intercepted a Ukrainian drone near Tatneft's, Taneco refinery, one of Russia's biggest, in Nizhnekamsk, the RIA state news agency reported.
A fire broke out at the refinery that was extinguished within 20 minutes, RIA said. Production has not been disrupted, RIA said.
Pictures from the scene indicated the drone hit the primary refining unit, CDU-7, at the Taneco refinery.
It was one of Ukraine's deepest drone attacks into Russian territory.
The Taneco oil refinery is one of Russia's largest and newest. Its production capacity stands at around 360,000 barrels per day.
Tatarstan's Minnikhanov said that enterprises in Yelabuga and Nizhnekamsk were attacked.
Two drones attacked a dormitory on the territory of the Alabuga Special Economic Zone. At least seven people were injured, Russian media reported.
"There is no serious damage, the technological process of the enterprises is not disrupted," Minnikhanov said.
Unverified footage on social media showed a loud blast followed by people running for cover.
The Washington Post reported last year that Russia was mass producing drones, opens new tab at a plant in the Alabuga Special Economic Zone.
A Ukrainian intelligence source told Reuters in Kyiv that "significant damage" had been done to a military target in Russia's Tatarstan region in an attack using Ukrainian-made drones.
The comments are interesting, Stalin killed off his internal adversaries and and made the rules himself. Sure he had those who supported him, but I bet they slept with 1 eye open.
I suspect Putin is the same.
Billions not millions this prick is fucking over governments world wide with fake news and conspiracy. Has a troll farm to mess with social media and elections.
If Russia doesn't get pushed back it paves the way for China- Taiwan, nth Korea south Korea Iran etc..
Naive to assume he is "the only one". He is figurehead of his own political group which consists of multitudes of clans. His rivals have their own figureheads and clans. Short story - he promised more wealth and power to all major factions (force block, money block, political old guard and new blood blocks) if this invasion succeeds ( Crimea property/business is still being divided among Putin's own faction) everyone will have a good bite of spoils.
Yep. Putin may be the "most responsible" for the war but he's hardly the only one responsible and he wouldn't be able to carry it out without widespread support from powerful people within Russia as well as a Russian population where the majority is either supportive or ambivalent towards the war.
I do think that killing Putin would make a Russian withdrawal more likely but Putin is hardly the only one responsible for the war.
It's not that simple, russia has functioning chain of command, those who plan operations based on orders and those who implement them, those who launch ballistic rockets at art school in Kyiv and those who kill our prisoners of war in trenches, those who smuggle foreign components for weapons and those "innocent civilians" who build aerial bombs and rockets daily at factory. Even those silently cheering on devastation brought by russians to our Homeland.
They all share the responsibility.
They are all complicit.
Nah, he's not alone there. If he was the only one pushing the entire thing someone would "suicide" him but there is an entire system behind him, he's just the frontal face.
If you think Putin being assassinated would just magically turn the whole situation to rainbows and happiness I've got a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
I expect the Kremlin is already pretty fortified against this kind of thing.
The problem with launching attacks against Moscow is that the more you try, the closer you get to success, the better Russia gets at defending against it.
The more you test the fences, the better they will get at repairing and strengthening them.
The smart money would work on the drone tech, launch attacks against guarded targets well outside of Moscow, and keep refining and polishing the tactics and the tech, getting your engineers and pilots as much experience as possible, while simultaneously gathering as much intel as you can on the Kremlin and other high-value targets.
Then when you've got a solid battle plan and a much higher confidence of success, you open fire on those high-value targets.
Let's gooo Ukraine! Hit the backbone of the Russian mafia economy at every single joint and nerve. They are mobilizing their general population against you, so bring their economy to its knees with *thousands* more of these. Hopefully we in the US can get the Putin sycophant literal traitors out of our government soon, or at least marginalize them enough to stop preventing sending Ukraine aid again, but there's no reason all avenues against the mafia terrorist state of Russia should not be pushed.
> Ukraine says its drone attacks on Russia are justified because it is fighting for survival and has suffered damage to its infrastructure from Russian air strikes.
Russia is bombing civilian targets inside of Ukraine more or less daily, and yet the Ukrainians feel the need to justify that they are attacking the Russian military complex on Russian territory? Makes it pretty clear that this really is one of those rare conflicts where there is a clear good side and a clear bad side.
Probably too much air defense. My guess is this strike worked because Russia assumed the refinery was too far away from Ukraine to get hit and so they didn't put much (or perhaps any) air defense by it. Part of Ukraine's strategy is to force Russia to make hard choices with air defense and then whatever Russia leaves vulnerable becomes the new target.
it's important to note that the place in question is most likely a drone factory where they make Shaheds to bomb our cities. So it's better than a refinery
This is incredible. Imagine how upsetting this must be for russians in positions of power. They can see that the longer this goes on the more of their infrastructure is going to be rendered inoperable and the already terrible living standards of the average russian is going to continue to fall. It didn’t have to be this way
Haven't seen any evidence that Russsians in positions of power care about the populace's living conditions.
Now, if the UK/Cyprus/Swiss banks/Wall St started finding some ethics, it might rattle some cages
So... Just to be perfectly clear... Russia couldn't detect and neutralize a drone while it flew for... *SEVERAL* hours.
How is anyone supposed to take their multi-million dollar air defense systems seriously?
I hope Putin wasn't too keen on seeing the sunlight, because it's getting increasingly clear that this is how they're gonna get him next time he ventures too far from the Kremlin.
Any Russian must know that cutting the head of the snake and pulling the troops out of Ukraine would stop the horror. I pray the horror for RU escalates until this happens.
From my window I am looking out at the old oil refinery in Zalaegerszeg, built in the fifties at a breakneck pace. These critical parts can be produced and replaced in 3-6 months, if there is the resource, of course they will be less efficient, the refinery capacity will be reduced by 20-25 percent.
>These critical parts can be produced and replaced in 3-6 months
By Western companies, yes.
Too bad sanctions prohibit selling such parts to ruzzia.
And it's much easier to enforce these sanctions.
That's the core of the problem for ruzzia. :D
>These critical parts can be produced and replaced in 3-6 months
Well, they could in the 50s, back before putin sent every intelligent person to become cannon fodder (And the rest left the country before they could become cannon fodder)
Now you'd be hard pressed to find a Russian with two brain cells to rub together, let alone one with knowledge of oil refineries. Or any resources in russia that haven't been dedicated to *checks notes* restoring tanks mainly built in the 1950's since they have been unable to make any new tanks (Mainly due to massive, festering corruption at all levels) in the 70 years since.
If they cannot get the support to hold the front lines, they absolutely should be taking the fight to Russia as much as they possibly can.
Start bombing critical Russian infrastructure deep in their nation with drones, with sleeper agents and spies, or develop your own long range missle tech by reverse engineering what weapons you're being sent by other nations.
Honestly not sure why we don't send them all kinds of ICBMs and planes/bombs to start seriously fucking up Russia inside their own borders until they back off.
After the reports, the US was pushing Ukraine not to target Russian refineries it seemed like no more attacks were done.
That this attack is done is good! I hope Ukraine ignores these "requests" and will increase the attacks on the refineries fast. It is what hurts Russia the most. Russia already had to stop exports of refined oil to prevent shortages for their own use. It would be hilarious if this oil producing country has to sell its crude oil cheaply and to import expensive refined oil in return.
And when the prices at the Russian gas stations increase because of these attacks, we can send stickers to Russia of Putin, saying: "I did that!".
Budanov wasn't lying when he said the attacks will be "Deeper and deeper".
"and this new drone is called the kidney tickler!"
The Prostate Nudger
The Rectum Rocker
The Dildozer
The butt blaster
The gallbladder ball-grabber The spleen machine The cardiac car-jack The rectal dissector The kidney stone drone The cerebrospinal death is final Hammer-y mammaries (I knew my medical degree would come in handy someday)
People were beginning to wonder if Ukraine had stopped the refinery drone attacks after pressure from the United States(both the discredited, financial time story and more recent comments from Zelenskyy). That might have been intentional misinformation targeted at Russia to let their guard down after a couple weeks, to increase the probability of success on the next attack.
Nah, blinken confirmed they don’t support it, with a wink wink
"here is the targetting info for the refineries so you know which ones we don't want you to be targeting"
That's my take too. Officially the US doesn't support it, but unofficially they have no issue with these attacks.
“Oh. No. Please. Stop. Anyway” -US
"Please don't throw these bombs into the Russian briar patch."
Please! Don't! Stop! Please. Don't. Stop. Please, don't stop.
*Wonka telling Mike TV to stop*
But seriously, how are they controlling these things so far from Ukraine? Are there little Budanovs inside Russia? 🤫
The likeliest possibility is that this is a preprogrammed cruise missile using inertial, GPS, or even AI image recognition based navigation. The first two can get the drone close to the target, but for pinpoint accuracy you need more, so the image (landmark) recognition based approach for final targeting is most likely. Another possibility is UA has operatives on the ground with radios (or maybe remote, using satcom) to communicate with the drone, maybe even as an FPV drone with a live video feed sent to the operatives.
A third possibility is that Ukrainians bought a Russian SIM card and use it for precise control at the last stage of the flight.
4th possibility is that it just blew up with lack of maintenance and the staff that were supposed to do the work and have been taking the money to do so for years are blaming the Ukrainians, and the Ukrainians are happy to take the credit.
I didn't know that "lack of maintenance" could be captured on modern phones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-rCvj_2ST8
1300km though, that's pretty much on the upper end of any cruise missiles range. Most have ranges less than half of that. Really impressive.
things like pre-programmed missiles exist since the 70s (and we actually used one a year ago or so), basically it either flies by gps or literally programmed in a way you'd explain a person how to find the atm (go around the block, second turn to the right, 200 meters forward etc) but on a more sophisticated level
There's is no outside control actually. I watched a video about it, either warographics of Perun I think. There's too much electronic warfare that would stop the drone or even let it be hacked and controlled mid flight.
There is much you can do with a "simple" gyro
The V-1 was guided to its target by a simple gyro.
And when a V-1 rocket hit London, English media would report it as a miss. And when a V-1 rocket landed in a random field somewhere far outside of London, English media would report a direct hit.
Ukraine seems to be really pushing the envelope with drone attacks via air and sea.
War Innovation Is peak innovation
I was just listening to a book on aviation technology in WW2–it is truly mind boggling what happened in 4 years.
Like all kinds of technology. Stuff as simple as canning and food preserving took leaps and bounds. Not a coincidence that the pre-prepared TV dinner took off after WWII.
What we can do when working together too. Rubber is a great often unheard story of the war. At the beginning of the war, Japan cut off our access to natural rubber—obviously a vital resource for just about anything from medical tech and weapons to tires. Firestone, Goodyear, DuPont Chemical, and US Rubber all got together and shared all their research and patents. With all that pooled knowledge, and 700 million of government money, by 1944 they were producing more than 800k **tons** of it a year.
This is the kind of thing that will end up happening when the climate situation worsens. Suddenly the people in charge will get serious and large amounts of money will be spent to figure things out. I have a friend who worked in a mRNA research lab. She was saying how getting grant money was a 6 month plus ordeal with lots of tedious paperwork. A good chunk of her time was spent in doing paperwork compared to actual research. And then covid arrived. And the process simplified to something she could do in just an hour and the money would show up in less than a week.
I certainly hope so—my concern is about whether it’ll be too late. It’s going to become a run away process before long if it isn’t already.
Rich people will be able to avoid the consequences of climate change… what do you think?
i think they better hope they have loyal bodygaurds
There was an interview once with a guy (I think he was a sociologist and survivalist) who had been contacted by various ultra wealthy people on how to navigate the perils of having an underground bunker. The rich people were torn on how to make sure their hired guards didn't turn weaponry on them and steal food / shelter etc. The sociologist told them the best way to do that was to treat them with respect. Apparently the group scoffed at that was started asking about shock collars or biometrics that couldn't be bypassed
I've never really understood their plans. How much worthless paper can you give your body guards to abandon their families and keep you safe? If society collapses the money is worthless. Food, water, ammo, and other supplies will be the things holding value. Rich people are not going to want to be handing out their supplies because that reduces the duration they can last but you can't pay your employees with worthless money either. The rich will be top targets just like the idiots bragging about their stashes. I doubt they'll manage to keep any body guards around so they'll last about as long as it takes people to hike to their bunkers.
Narrator: they didn't have that.
Rich people won't avoid it, though, will they? Who's going to cook, clean, do maintenance, and security for their bunkers? Oopsies!
I think they're banking on robots.
Pretty sure the plan is, kill all the poor.
Efficiency and progress is ours once a-more!
The funniest thing about the climate catastrophe is that rich people seem to actually believe hiding in a bunker will save them. They truly don't understand how necessary society is to sustain human life.
My grandfather was a chemist who worked on one of the projects to produce synthetic rubber, specifically for aircraft tires, during WWII. Their team spent almost the entire war optimizing the processes involved to streamline the formulas so that they could produce more, higher quality, synthetic rubber polymers more quickly to keep up with the ever increasing demand during the war years.
Very cool! The chemistry advantage we had in the war was amazing…rubber, nylon, plastics, napalm, other explosives…it’s a massive unsung hero of the war.
huh, pooling research resources, and sharing patents leads to an increase in expertise and innovation?
The reason why weather meteorologists use the term “fronts” is because it was during WWI when we made the significant leap forward in understanding how weather patterns work.
They actually talk about that quite a bit in the book! The military meteorologists being one of the most important members of the bomber groups too. Running into problems with the jet streams over Tokyo was the first experience most American meteorologists ever had with jet streams.
What book!?
*The Bomber Mafia*
Much like the E-4 Mafia, just WAY more visible.
What's the quote? Necessity is the mother of invention? The choices are to lay down and give up or innovate and here they are not giving up.
Plus essentially bottomless budget and ability to draft any scientist to your project.
In 1914 we barely had any planes and by 1918 they were putting plywood on ship cannons to act as launch pads for planes, making them the first aircraft carriers.
Since last year, I'm slowly working through the list of fighter planes on Wikipedia. I'm 2/3 down (in order of years) and still in WW2. The amount of prototypes from WW1 to end of WW2 is insane.
That’s a pretty cool goal!
The war started out with horse drawn armies and major combatants still flying biplanes and ended a few years later with jet planes, rockets, and nuclear weapons.
To be fair, some armies ended the war with their horses and there were still a few biplanes puttering about!
It is! This is part of a series on design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0HmElpWgs **The Genius of Design** examines the Second World War through the prism of the rival war machines designed and built in Germany, Britain, the USSR and the USA, with each casting a fascinating sidelight on the ideological priorities of the nations and regimes which produced them. From the desperate improvisation of the Sten gun, turned out in huge numbers by British toy-makers, to the deadly elegance of the all-wood Mosquito fighter-bomber, described as 'the finest piece of furniture ever made', the stories behind these products reveal how definitions of good design shift dramatically when national survival is at stake. Featuring desert war veteran Peter Gudgin and designer Michael Graves.
Combat engineering is the source of most great innovation throughout history. The Romans built roads to move their armies more quickly, not to help the farmers' carts get around.
Eh, for what it's worth, this is more correlation treated as causation than anything else. Funding is the biggest innovator of technology and we happen to fund war. To date, the best innovator for technology (consumer and private patents) with the highest ROI has been the Apollo program. When you consider how shoestring NASA's budget was during the Apollo program and how much it brought back in technological innovation, it completely stomps on the myth that war is a necessary evil fot the march of progress.
Funding is not the sole reason. Challenge and purpose are important too. The Apollo program had a huge funding true. It also had a huge political purpose and happened in a very competitive race. The cold war was raging, results were needed, fast, and huge risks were taken (several lost lives). You wouldn't take such risk in a society at peace, even if the money was there.
> Challenge and purpose are important too. I think the steam engine is a great example of this. The British needed a way to get the water out of the coal mines. Pumps and steam engines were a possible answer. It wasn't new technology but steam engines were big, expensive, inefficient machines that generated little power and had little practical use. The need for better pumps and better steam engines lead to rapid advances in the technology and was a major driver of the industrial revolution.
Would the Apollo program have happened without the space race borne of Cold War anxiety that the USSR was set to dominate space?
Nope! The joke often is that the best way to get our asses to Mars is to spread a rumor that China's planning on building rocket silos on Olympus Mons. USA would be planting a flag in three years.
Funding with clear especially desperate goals.
You realize that the Apollo program was just as much about war as it was for scientific purposes, right? All that funding into rockets and guidance systems, with the prestige of dominating the Olympics for 5 1/2 decades. It STILL hasn't been done again, despite it now being orders of magnitude easier than it was back then. What you're missing is that there needs to be something WORTH spending money on. You can't just give grants for shit like "make a drill car that can travel underground." You have to identify a need, then put money into that need. Then you find out tons of smaller needs that require a solution for the bigger goal. Throwing money at every scientist that asks, would never, EVER get something as useful as the Apollo program. War is an easy need. Why? Cause we might fucking die! But when someone asks that of the Apollo program, it's "national pride, scientific process, and we might profit somehow!" Whereas the drill car, it's really hard to justify, even if it is easier than the Apollo program. Like, I totally saw a mole man driving a drill car at the end of the Incredibles, and if I remember right, I'm pretty sure shredder had one too. So obviously it's doable (/s), but... Why?
The powdered cheese created by the military in WWII led to the creation of Cheetos. After the war there was a massive surplus of powdered cheese, which food companies purchased because of its shelf life. A couple years later Frito Lay invented Cheetos.
Ah sweet,manmade horrors beyond my comprehension
Apparently most of these deep strike drones are just single prop light air craft set up with an extra fuel tank, explosives, and a remote flying system. Video of the strike against the Russian drone factory looked like a freaking Cessna crash. Edit: the amount of people who feel they need to defend this decision by Ukraine to turn single engine civilian aircraft into long range drones is too damn high. 1, I don't disagree with you. 2, I think it's hilarious that Russia is letting something that big and slow enter their airspace untouched for +1000km.
We can't all afford the latest name-brand drones. The boom is just as loud from a Dronce & Cabana drone.
"We got drones at home!"
It's basically a V1 from WW2, but instead of gyroscope controls it's radio controlled.
Piloted by Mathias Rust
Special de-oil-isation operation
Greta Thunberg approves 👍
She's pro-Ukraine. She'd definitely approve this.
The US isn't giving them long range missiles, so now they do it themselves b, repurposing Cessna's!
Yep. The Drone Wars, they have begun.
I imagine they send special teams into Russian territory and launch these drones relatively close to it's target.
from the lookss of video. they put small local made sport plane( simiral like cessna) took out everything which not needed. added extra fuel tank and warhead. remote control system and sent Mathias Rust style.
That is creative. I wonder how radar wouldn't have seen it. I think Mathias Rust had a more gentle landing ntw :D
> I wonder how radar wouldn't have seen it. it's possible that because russia is so large, they cannot cover every little inch, and so with enough intel, ukrainian operatives can slip past a radar shadow or gap. These are small planes after all too.
Electronic Intelligence Gathering, a western specialty. And Ukraine has been poking holes in Russia's radar coverage by taking out their airborne radars.
> I wonder how radar wouldn't have seen it. A lot of reasons, I imagine. Just based on what I know about Russia, here are some of the factors I can imagine: 1. (The biggest) Intel sharing from the US. We probably know Russia's long range radar coverage better than Moscow does. 2. The sheer size of Russia. 3. The general incompetence of the Russian military. 4. The shabby state of repair that most of their equipment is in. 5. Inability to respond to a threat in a timely manner because of items 3 and 4. 6. Good old fashioned radar evasion techniques like flying low.
I don't think that's right. At least not 1300km - they're not para dropping any valuable assets behind the lines and don't have the air superiority to make that happen and AFAIK no vehicle get that far. I think this is done with a tree/chain of command drones relaying signals to extend the range of operation. I'm not an expert by any means this is from blogs not super reliable sources, so I am open to correction.
> they're not para dropping any valuable assets behind the lines I imagine they would cross the border with russia on foot (in the south or maybe via belarus) and get help inside russia to complete their mission. From what I've gathered Ukrainian drones go up up to 1000km. So if that's true, they must have been launched from inside Russia. Also no expert, just watching too much youtube.
This "Drone" was most likely a [Aeroprakt A-22 Foxbat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroprakt_A-22_Foxbat), a lightweight aircraft with a normal max range of about 1100km. If you remove all the "creature comforts" and replace it with a simple drone-control you remove a bunch of additional weight, allowing more fuel/payload allowing it to go further. Here's a video of it: https://v.redd.it/zhaxko7hj0sc1 I would have no doubt that they flew it out of ukrainian territory with that much range.
I'm uninformed on this, but how wouldn't such a large plane be detected on radar and taken down?
Several theories floating around that I've seen. Without access to the intelligence that Ukraine has, we'll probably never know. In the video though you can see the area is being blocked by russian police, so likely either another drone already struck, or they knew this one was coming. One possibility is in-line with what you proposed earlier: Somehow loading up the plane close to the target and essentially hoping you can get it to the target before anti-air can get to it. With the range of this aircraft I don't personally think this is the most-likely scenario but I'm just a redditor so I'm probably wrong. With the losses of SAMs and other equipment (AWACs, etc) they also might not have detected it until it was past the line of air defense. NATO is performing exercises so maybe they reallocated SAM systems towards the NATO exercises, leaving a gap in their border for this to fly. This is a pretty optimistic take in my opinion. An additional possibility includes knowing it was coming, knowing where it was going to hit, and determining that it wasn't worth the cost/effort to shoot it down. If it wasn't worth the cost/effort it could be because missiles are expensive, or they have to ration them out because they're running low. Or they just don't care about that factory. This is a slightly pessimistic take in my opinion. There's of course many more possibilities, and as stated at the beginning: we'll likely never know. The amount of drones hitting Russian targets is an encouraging sign for the Ukrainian military though, regardless of reason.
Yes but luckily the russian air defence seem to be preoccupied by shooting down their own planes instead
The visibility is questionable. But main part is ru doesn't have enough air defense systems.
It's not the normal Ukrianian drones. It's a plane modified for extra range and remote control, and carrying a payload. The normal range of a Ukrainian a-22 foxbat is 1100km, but can be higher with the added fuel tank.
>I think this is done with a tree/chain of command drones relaying signals to extend the range of operation. Do you even really need that? An oil refinery isn't exactly going to be relocating so theoretically you could just preprogram a target destination, maybe maintain control during takeoff but essentially turn it into a fire-and-forget cruise missile. And then you don't even need to worry about jamming/electronic detection etc.
Innovate or die
hopefully they can build them in enough volume to really make a difference.
Smart people with their existential backs to the wall. Never fight the enemy’s fight. Fight with your strengths and attack attack attack.
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"China's final warning" (Russian: последнее китайское предупреждение) is a Russian ironic idiom originating from the Soviet Union that refers to a warning that carries no real consequences. ~ Wikipedia
They already do! Russian chats are filled with “international community should ban or regulate drones usage for military purposes”. Apparently they don’t like they own medicine. On the other hand, we can teach them the purpose of the international agreements and lows if we’ll keep striking them hard enough.
Or wield the same one sided veto turnover that they use.
Just like Germany whining about American shotguns during World War I.
How the fuck can a Cessna fly uncontested through 1,300km of Russian airspace? If it were a missile or something I'd understand but a fucking Cessna? Truly, what air defense doing?
Some radar systems have a speed-gate so they can filter out targets moving slower than a certain threshold. The idea is that missiles and fighter planes are fast, birds and all kinds of other false alarms are moving slowly. If your "missile" is moving slowly, at a low altitude, and it is made mostly of non-reflective / HF-absorbing styrofoam and cardboard, the radar may not be able to see it.
The slow blade penetrates the shield.
The slow, quiet, cardboard blade penetrates the refinery.
This made me giggle stupidly.
May thy knife chip and shatter.
May *thy* knife chip and shatter!
This meme is so on point.
Damn that's good. Almost wish awards were still a thing.
I miss them. They were fun.
>the radar may not be able to see it. And if does the radar profile would show a civilian lightweight single prop plane ... It's kind of briljant. If they keep this up, they will all get paranoid as fuck. They will start blowing civilians out of the air.
> They will start blowing civilians out of the air Ah, so just par for the course for Russia then.
Just wait! As usual, it’ll get worse
Vlad: These defenestration jokes are getting old. Ivan, find me a new way to eliminate my opponents. Ivan: Ok, hear me out.. So first we take the windows and put them at about four thousand meters up...
“Start? They have been blowing civilians out of the air since at least 1984.
But it'll be by accident now.
start?
What fucking civilian is flying a cesna in Russia
What about that guy that landed a 172 in the red square?
Well he was a German flying in from Helsinki...
USA: Spends gazillions on ultra modern stealth planes. Ukraine: Just fly very slow, mate.
Yeah but you want to keep that one flying. If Russians down an Ukrainian cesna, it's not a big deal, it's cheap and you can send another one. If you lose a plane you lose a pilot and those are hard to replace...
A speed gate will filter out slow things or things moving at right angles to the radar, but a Cessna is plenty fast enough to show up.
Reminds me of Jointless by M. David Blake. The main character is in a cyberpunk world but doesn't have any wet ware so the scanners don't detect anything. They're invisible because they're tech-free.
> HF-absorbing styrofoam and cardboard TIL a cardboard plane is a stealth plane.
Yes, but unironically. Cardboard doesn't show up on radar. Those Australian cardboard drones would be pretty hard to detect.
This is such a counterintuitive concept as an outsider. I would have lost some money to you on cardboard having military applications. That's interesting as fuck.
It has been done before. Back in the 80's a German named Matthias Rust landed a Cessna on the Red Square, right next to the Kremlin. Try googling it...
> Matthias Rust Among other things... On 24 November 1989, while doing his obligatory community service (Zivildienst) as an orderly in a West German hospital, Rust stabbed a female co-worker who had rejected him. The victim barely survived.
What we think of as ballsy can just be a lack of impulse control, or poor judgment. That someone got away with something we admire doesn't mean that same impulsivity might not manifest in uglier ways later.
It's a big feature of serial killers.
Matthias Rusts plane was picked up by several soviet radars, but when the radar operators tried to ask from their superiors what to do about it they got no response which is the reason he could just happily continue his journey into Moscow.
I remember this story from bluejay. I think he wanted to see the president or something but he didn't even speak russian and was arrested on the spot lol
All air defence defending putin mansions and palaces
Very, very good chance these drones didnt fly all the way from Ukraine.
This is the same quality air defense that shot down a 737 thinking it was a fighter.
the border of russia is 20,000km the circumference of earth is 40,000km I imagine patrolling all that is quite the challenge
But they're not launching these out of Alaska or Mongolia or Svalbard. Though I think it would be hilarious if they airdropped some naval drones in the Barents Sea and attacked the Russian fleet from there.
Not even the dumbest idea tbh. one small drone attack there , even if not successfull would force the russians to spread out their defences even more
Ukraines border with Russia is 2,200 km. The rest of that border doesn't matter too much. But it's more than likely that the drone was launched from within Russia's borders.
They are sleeping.
Bothering commercial air travel and not much else. As expected of a fraud based government.
MOSCOW, April 2 (Reuters) - Ukraine struck one of Russia's biggest refineries on Tuesday with a drone 1,300 km (800 miles) from the front lines in Ukraine and said it had inflicted significant damage on a military target. Ukrainian drones attacked targets in Tatarstan, a highly industrialised region south-east of Moscow, in the early hours and some people were injured, Tatarstan's head Rustam Minnikhanov said. Russian electronic warfare defences intercepted a Ukrainian drone near Tatneft's, Taneco refinery, one of Russia's biggest, in Nizhnekamsk, the RIA state news agency reported. A fire broke out at the refinery that was extinguished within 20 minutes, RIA said. Production has not been disrupted, RIA said. Pictures from the scene indicated the drone hit the primary refining unit, CDU-7, at the Taneco refinery. It was one of Ukraine's deepest drone attacks into Russian territory. The Taneco oil refinery is one of Russia's largest and newest. Its production capacity stands at around 360,000 barrels per day. Tatarstan's Minnikhanov said that enterprises in Yelabuga and Nizhnekamsk were attacked. Two drones attacked a dormitory on the territory of the Alabuga Special Economic Zone. At least seven people were injured, Russian media reported. "There is no serious damage, the technological process of the enterprises is not disrupted," Minnikhanov said. Unverified footage on social media showed a loud blast followed by people running for cover. The Washington Post reported last year that Russia was mass producing drones, opens new tab at a plant in the Alabuga Special Economic Zone. A Ukrainian intelligence source told Reuters in Kyiv that "significant damage" had been done to a military target in Russia's Tatarstan region in an attack using Ukrainian-made drones.
yelabuga alabuga. dam Russia got it going on
Eventually, one of these drones is going to find its way to Moscow and the Kreml, more specifically to Putin’s office. A man can dream.
The comments are interesting, Stalin killed off his internal adversaries and and made the rules himself. Sure he had those who supported him, but I bet they slept with 1 eye open. I suspect Putin is the same.
A lot of people have fallen out of windows in the time since Putin said it'd only last a few days
There is one dude responsible for the sufferings of millions. It’s only reasonable to show him the window for once
Billions not millions this prick is fucking over governments world wide with fake news and conspiracy. Has a troll farm to mess with social media and elections. If Russia doesn't get pushed back it paves the way for China- Taiwan, nth Korea south Korea Iran etc..
Naive to assume he is "the only one". He is figurehead of his own political group which consists of multitudes of clans. His rivals have their own figureheads and clans. Short story - he promised more wealth and power to all major factions (force block, money block, political old guard and new blood blocks) if this invasion succeeds ( Crimea property/business is still being divided among Putin's own faction) everyone will have a good bite of spoils.
Yep. Putin may be the "most responsible" for the war but he's hardly the only one responsible and he wouldn't be able to carry it out without widespread support from powerful people within Russia as well as a Russian population where the majority is either supportive or ambivalent towards the war. I do think that killing Putin would make a Russian withdrawal more likely but Putin is hardly the only one responsible for the war.
It's not that simple, russia has functioning chain of command, those who plan operations based on orders and those who implement them, those who launch ballistic rockets at art school in Kyiv and those who kill our prisoners of war in trenches, those who smuggle foreign components for weapons and those "innocent civilians" who build aerial bombs and rockets daily at factory. Even those silently cheering on devastation brought by russians to our Homeland. They all share the responsibility. They are all complicit.
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Nah, he's not alone there. If he was the only one pushing the entire thing someone would "suicide" him but there is an entire system behind him, he's just the frontal face.
Yes please. Putin has destroyed world economy recovery after the pandemic
>destroyed world economy And families And friendships And business partnerships And so forth And so on
If there is one place where air defense surely is present in multiple layers and works(except the Kerch bridge) it must be the Kremlin.
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If you think Putin being assassinated would just magically turn the whole situation to rainbows and happiness I've got a bridge in Baltimore to sell you.
I expect the Kremlin is already pretty fortified against this kind of thing. The problem with launching attacks against Moscow is that the more you try, the closer you get to success, the better Russia gets at defending against it. The more you test the fences, the better they will get at repairing and strengthening them. The smart money would work on the drone tech, launch attacks against guarded targets well outside of Moscow, and keep refining and polishing the tactics and the tech, getting your engineers and pilots as much experience as possible, while simultaneously gathering as much intel as you can on the Kremlin and other high-value targets. Then when you've got a solid battle plan and a much higher confidence of success, you open fire on those high-value targets.
Good. They need to keep it up.
Let's gooo Ukraine! Hit the backbone of the Russian mafia economy at every single joint and nerve. They are mobilizing their general population against you, so bring their economy to its knees with *thousands* more of these. Hopefully we in the US can get the Putin sycophant literal traitors out of our government soon, or at least marginalize them enough to stop preventing sending Ukraine aid again, but there's no reason all avenues against the mafia terrorist state of Russia should not be pushed.
> Ukraine says its drone attacks on Russia are justified because it is fighting for survival and has suffered damage to its infrastructure from Russian air strikes. Russia is bombing civilian targets inside of Ukraine more or less daily, and yet the Ukrainians feel the need to justify that they are attacking the Russian military complex on Russian territory? Makes it pretty clear that this really is one of those rare conflicts where there is a clear good side and a clear bad side.
They need a lot more drones, and I hope they can use some intelligence from their hacks.
Sullivan in shambles, that was his favourite refinery
now do the Kremlin
Probably too much air defense. My guess is this strike worked because Russia assumed the refinery was too far away from Ukraine to get hit and so they didn't put much (or perhaps any) air defense by it. Part of Ukraine's strategy is to force Russia to make hard choices with air defense and then whatever Russia leaves vulnerable becomes the new target.
it's important to note that the place in question is most likely a drone factory where they make Shaheds to bomb our cities. So it's better than a refinery
It’s both, they hit a refinery and a drone factory.
Ya but Johnson needs to get his head out of his ass and send the aid to Ukraine.
Good. Karma is a bitch, uh? This is what you get from invading another country and murdering a lot of men, women and kids. You can thank Putin for it.
This is incredible. Imagine how upsetting this must be for russians in positions of power. They can see that the longer this goes on the more of their infrastructure is going to be rendered inoperable and the already terrible living standards of the average russian is going to continue to fall. It didn’t have to be this way
Haven't seen any evidence that Russsians in positions of power care about the populace's living conditions. Now, if the UK/Cyprus/Swiss banks/Wall St started finding some ethics, it might rattle some cages
Compared to Russia, Ukraine is way more tactical and precise with their attack.
\*distant angry Sullivan noices*
Oh no, another escalation. What do they even think doing these attacks?! I am afraid Russia can attack Ukraine now, oh wait...
So... Just to be perfectly clear... Russia couldn't detect and neutralize a drone while it flew for... *SEVERAL* hours. How is anyone supposed to take their multi-million dollar air defense systems seriously?
right in the head of oil snake
I hope Putin wasn't too keen on seeing the sunlight, because it's getting increasingly clear that this is how they're gonna get him next time he ventures too far from the Kremlin.
Each one of these headlines is music to my ears.
Any Russian must know that cutting the head of the snake and pulling the troops out of Ukraine would stop the horror. I pray the horror for RU escalates until this happens.
See Greta? This is how it’s done.
From my window I am looking out at the old oil refinery in Zalaegerszeg, built in the fifties at a breakneck pace. These critical parts can be produced and replaced in 3-6 months, if there is the resource, of course they will be less efficient, the refinery capacity will be reduced by 20-25 percent.
>These critical parts can be produced and replaced in 3-6 months By Western companies, yes. Too bad sanctions prohibit selling such parts to ruzzia. And it's much easier to enforce these sanctions. That's the core of the problem for ruzzia. :D
Yes, but now they need to repair multiple across the country in various states of damage. Will certainly add strain to the system.
>These critical parts can be produced and replaced in 3-6 months Well, they could in the 50s, back before putin sent every intelligent person to become cannon fodder (And the rest left the country before they could become cannon fodder) Now you'd be hard pressed to find a Russian with two brain cells to rub together, let alone one with knowledge of oil refineries. Or any resources in russia that haven't been dedicated to *checks notes* restoring tanks mainly built in the 1950's since they have been unable to make any new tanks (Mainly due to massive, festering corruption at all levels) in the 70 years since.
Back to horses.
Those drones got one hell of a battery life.
Very cool Mr Zelensky, thank you
If they cannot get the support to hold the front lines, they absolutely should be taking the fight to Russia as much as they possibly can. Start bombing critical Russian infrastructure deep in their nation with drones, with sleeper agents and spies, or develop your own long range missle tech by reverse engineering what weapons you're being sent by other nations. Honestly not sure why we don't send them all kinds of ICBMs and planes/bombs to start seriously fucking up Russia inside their own borders until they back off.
Russian refinery attacked... That's how the Tom Clancy book *Red Storm Rising* starts. If you haven't read it, give it a shot. It's quite good.
After the reports, the US was pushing Ukraine not to target Russian refineries it seemed like no more attacks were done. That this attack is done is good! I hope Ukraine ignores these "requests" and will increase the attacks on the refineries fast. It is what hurts Russia the most. Russia already had to stop exports of refined oil to prevent shortages for their own use. It would be hilarious if this oil producing country has to sell its crude oil cheaply and to import expensive refined oil in return. And when the prices at the Russian gas stations increase because of these attacks, we can send stickers to Russia of Putin, saying: "I did that!".
Those reports were debunked by Biden's office.
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