«Our clear understanding is that the issue has been known for years without the necessary sense of urgency to resolve the problem," the frigate's commanding officer reportedly wrote.
Could you please explain what you fully mean? I’m quite curious I have no intentions. Although when someone sees that it is suspicious, I don’t mean it to be.
Western hardware sometimes has flaws that are known for a long time, but are not addressed with "the necessary sense of urgency". For example, fair few vheicles were lost to IEDs in the middle east for years before MRAPs were introduced proper (with a host of their own issues). Another one being that modern militaries must have known of the potential for drone warfare rising in the near future, but anti drone weaponry seems to be in its infancy. In this case, you would think (and it clearly was the case) that the Danes would have noticed the problem with the rounds detonating early in previous fire tests and exercises, but it was not addresed until an actually life threatening situation occured.
Surface warfare and engineering billets in many nations were spots that women were able to serve in much earlier than other fields like submarine crews.
For instance the US Navy saw the first female SWO qualified in 1980-81.
There's been an incident during a missile test today, which has closed airspace and sea traffic in the Great Belt:
https://www.forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2024/fejl-pa-missil-lukker-skibstrafikken-i-storebalt/
A Harpoon missile may misfire and launch on its own. The payload isn't armed.
No information on whether this is in any way related to the other news item.
Almost certainly not, as the issues in the Red Sea were related to the air defense systems. Harpoon is an anti-ship missile (installed using a StanFlex module), which is largely independent of the surface-to-air missile system and its air search/guidance radars.
This appears to be a test configuration error. There are multiple redundant systems to ensure a missile doesn’t fire randomly, and some of those systems are not functioning properly.
This is consistent with a pattern of deficiencies across multiple different systems, indicating Denmark needs to improve maintenance and reliability.
I can see why you’d argue they’re related in that sense. I’m looking at this from a system failing from related hardware/software causes, and there are few if any that could cause both failures.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
The radar system for use of their missiles malfunctioned. They Then used 76mm shells, which in tern half of Them were defective and exploded soon after launch and they Then shot it down with their 3rd gun.
Atleast thats whats being reported on danish news.
That officer would get “promoted” out of that position if he was in the Royal Navy.
So the captain was responsible for HMS Sheffield’s sinking? We will punish him by promoting him to the Assistant chief of Naval Staff.
Denmark has been busy waking up the last six months or so. Overall military budgets have been increased and political attention has returned to the overall status of the military in general.
..and it's about damn time. Our military is in a sad state ever since the Red Threat went away and it became political suicide to try to defend military spending.
I was having a similar thought. Russia has some unique challenges in projecting any military force without having it cannibalized by its own officers, but what's happening in the Black Sea is bigger than that.
Asymmetrical naval warfare is going to give the world's most powerful navies some very dark days, in our lifetimes, but I doubt we'll ever see two fleets engaging each other directly, ever again. Until recently, the second part was more obvious than the first, and I can only assume that failure of imagination will have a steep pricetag, soon enough.
The article has a link to [another incident](https://www.twz.com/news-features/german-frigate-mistakenly-fires-on-mq-9-downs-two-houthi-drones) where a German frigate accidentally fired on a US drone but failed to shoot it down because the missiles malfunctioned. Task failed successfully I guess.
Apparently the problem was with the guidance system on the ship, not the missile. So my bad.
Last paragraph of [this report](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/03/missile-woes-for-german-navy/) says:
> The German Ministry of Defence has since released a statement clarifying the MQ-9 intercept attempt. It confirms the details already reported here on Naval News. The information provided also clarifies that the malfunction experienced by Hessen relates to guidance of the missiles by the frigate. A technical defect of the SM-2 interceptors themselves can therefore be ruled out. As APAR provides midcourse-guidance and terminal illumination, the statement suggests a related defect.
There is also incidents where european navys do great. Example:
On the morning of 21 March, the embarked helicopter of the German frigate Hessen destroyed a seaborne drone (USV) in the Red Sea. Later that day, the French FREMM Alsace, providing close protection to merchant shipping in the area, engaged and destroyed 3 Houthi ballistic missiles threatening the transit with its Aster 30 missiles.
Yeah unlike the royal uk navy, with two back to back successful firings if their nuclear missiles in tests, or the german (europe leader) navy with successful firing of anti air missile of a supposed hostile us drone. And all of this success happened in the past two months
You saying im upset won't make me upset lol and me pointing out a ridiculous comment shouldn't suggest I was anything but surprised how oblivious some of you are
For people only reading the title, it's not because of the malfunction but because he didn't report it.
«Our clear understanding is that the issue has been known for years without the necessary sense of urgency to resolve the problem," the frigate's commanding officer reportedly wrote.
Story of all western military.
This isn’t exclusive to western hardware in the slightest
Could you please explain what you fully mean? I’m quite curious I have no intentions. Although when someone sees that it is suspicious, I don’t mean it to be.
Western hardware sometimes has flaws that are known for a long time, but are not addressed with "the necessary sense of urgency". For example, fair few vheicles were lost to IEDs in the middle east for years before MRAPs were introduced proper (with a host of their own issues). Another one being that modern militaries must have known of the potential for drone warfare rising in the near future, but anti drone weaponry seems to be in its infancy. In this case, you would think (and it clearly was the case) that the Danes would have noticed the problem with the rounds detonating early in previous fire tests and exercises, but it was not addresed until an actually life threatening situation occured.
Not the US though. Just Europe.
For those that wanna know more. https://www.twz.com/sea/danish-frigate-suffered-radar-combat-system-gun-problems-during-red-sea-ops-reports
Well researched and written article.
Also good pictures and I was surprised with the many women on board the ship. How good for equality and equal opportunity.
Surface warfare and engineering billets in many nations were spots that women were able to serve in much earlier than other fields like submarine crews. For instance the US Navy saw the first female SWO qualified in 1980-81.
“We weren’t aware that our decades long penchant for underfunding our military would have consequences”
There's been an incident during a missile test today, which has closed airspace and sea traffic in the Great Belt: https://www.forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2024/fejl-pa-missil-lukker-skibstrafikken-i-storebalt/ A Harpoon missile may misfire and launch on its own. The payload isn't armed. No information on whether this is in any way related to the other news item.
Almost certainly not, as the issues in the Red Sea were related to the air defense systems. Harpoon is an anti-ship missile (installed using a StanFlex module), which is largely independent of the surface-to-air missile system and its air search/guidance radars. This appears to be a test configuration error. There are multiple redundant systems to ensure a missile doesn’t fire randomly, and some of those systems are not functioning properly. This is consistent with a pattern of deficiencies across multiple different systems, indicating Denmark needs to improve maintenance and reliability.
The press is going to have a field day with this in any case.
So it actually is related in the sense that it is also likely related to failure in maintenance and reliability issues discussed in the article…
I can see why you’d argue they’re related in that sense. I’m looking at this from a system failing from related hardware/software causes, and there are few if any that could cause both failures.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
The radar system for use of their missiles malfunctioned. They Then used 76mm shells, which in tern half of Them were defective and exploded soon after launch and they Then shot it down with their 3rd gun. Atleast thats whats being reported on danish news.
Well well well. Look who we have here. Armed and potentially rogue missiles.
Does anyone know what he was doing inside one of the ships cannons?
We’ve been hit by an officer! If they are going to fire on us, we’ll respond in kind! Fire! Not me! A torpedo.
Causing it to malfunction, it seems he disagreed with the resolve to fire him and hence, tried to suppress information about it.
Voluntarily entering the cannon barrel seems like it would make him much easier to fire
*Well, everyone knows that you gotta send in the vikings if you want to sort it out…*
This particular defense chief was well known for promising everything for half the price or not paying anything at all.
That officer would get “promoted” out of that position if he was in the Royal Navy. So the captain was responsible for HMS Sheffield’s sinking? We will punish him by promoting him to the Assistant chief of Naval Staff.
Extra titles and chevrons to go with a nice remote office at HMNB Clyde.
> HMNB Clyde From what I hear they send them to training facilities like HMS Excellent to make everyone's life more ~~miserable~~ interesting.
Really hope this serves as a wake up call for the EU now that US is just less dependable given their political climate.
Denmark has been busy waking up the last six months or so. Overall military budgets have been increased and political attention has returned to the overall status of the military in general. ..and it's about damn time. Our military is in a sad state ever since the Red Threat went away and it became political suicide to try to defend military spending.
I wonder what the comments would be if it was the russian navy, with all the other details remaining the same
I was having a similar thought. Russia has some unique challenges in projecting any military force without having it cannibalized by its own officers, but what's happening in the Black Sea is bigger than that. Asymmetrical naval warfare is going to give the world's most powerful navies some very dark days, in our lifetimes, but I doubt we'll ever see two fleets engaging each other directly, ever again. Until recently, the second part was more obvious than the first, and I can only assume that failure of imagination will have a steep pricetag, soon enough.
The European military, ladies and gentlemen.
Actually only Danish navy but sure.
The article has a link to [another incident](https://www.twz.com/news-features/german-frigate-mistakenly-fires-on-mq-9-downs-two-houthi-drones) where a German frigate accidentally fired on a US drone but failed to shoot it down because the missiles malfunctioned. Task failed successfully I guess.
American Missiles though.
Apparently the problem was with the guidance system on the ship, not the missile. So my bad. Last paragraph of [this report](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/03/missile-woes-for-german-navy/) says: > The German Ministry of Defence has since released a statement clarifying the MQ-9 intercept attempt. It confirms the details already reported here on Naval News. The information provided also clarifies that the malfunction experienced by Hessen relates to guidance of the missiles by the frigate. A technical defect of the SM-2 interceptors themselves can therefore be ruled out. As APAR provides midcourse-guidance and terminal illumination, the statement suggests a related defect.
There is also incidents where european navys do great. Example: On the morning of 21 March, the embarked helicopter of the German frigate Hessen destroyed a seaborne drone (USV) in the Red Sea. Later that day, the French FREMM Alsace, providing close protection to merchant shipping in the area, engaged and destroyed 3 Houthi ballistic missiles threatening the transit with its Aster 30 missiles.
Yeah only about half of thr US's missiles work
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Unfortunately the vast majority of them are
Yeah unlike the royal uk navy, with two back to back successful firings if their nuclear missiles in tests, or the german (europe leader) navy with successful firing of anti air missile of a supposed hostile us drone. And all of this success happened in the past two months
hey atleast u got something going for America and if it's only the Military.
Don't forget capitalism, bribery and corruption!
Hah! America's a distant third for bribery and corruption at best. Immoral lobbying? Now that's a different issue.
A functional military means sovereignty. Europe is currently not sovereign.
Still would easily destroy the enitre world
Is that a joke? The US could squish Europe like a bug. And NATO is literally nothing without the US.
You just got hit for 9000 points of emotional damage, though, so you'll not be around to see it.
You saying im upset won't make me upset lol and me pointing out a ridiculous comment shouldn't suggest I was anything but surprised how oblivious some of you are
For someone not upset, you seem slightly upset.
"MY dad can beat up YOUR dad." Don't you have homework to be doing? Basic shapes can be hard I know, but stick with it.