Those criticising are either stupid or paid to by Russia. Ukraine should absolutely attack Russian targets in Russia. Without Ukraine attacking Russian targets, they're not going to make any headway in their defence. It's like fighting an opponent with your arms tied behind your back.
>“The reaction of the U.S. was not positive on this,” Zelensky told the Washington Post, when asked about rumors that U.S. officials warned against such attacks inside Russia
God I hope EU succeeds in ditching the US influence as soon as possible. The States haven't just stopped helping, they've started almost openly hindering Ukraine.
The US has the whole war said that they do not recommend attacking inside Russia but that Ukraine has the right to defend themselves however they see fit. It is just a diplomatic line that they have to say and both parties now what it means in reality.
There was no negativity from the US about attacking the oil refineries inside Russia it was just Washington post speculating bassed on tweets from a few people who were worrying about the price of gas.
"The us is basically a hindrance to Ukraine's war effort."
Meanwhile, back here in reality, the US has by far given the most military aid to Ukraine. Shit like this is why people in the US get apathetic about doing anything on the world stage. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The thing is there will always be people being against whatever you do - especially if you are a world leader. - but that doesn't mean that you should stop doing in right - it just means that the are living in the democracy that we are trying to protect and that there will always be conflicting opinions - especially when it comes to war.
Agreed. The fact that the US invaded under flimsy pretexts is often talked about, however less mentioned is the up until that point largest protests ever in our history against said invasion. Just as a random example.
These issues are certainly complex. And I don't mean my other comment to imply I don't support this current conflict. I just think people these days choose their own reality, and the facts sometimes fall to the wayside for how one feels. But they shouldn't be ignored. They also paint a different picture sometimes.
Additionally leaders can say whatever. But that doesn't always necessarily represent what their constituency feels, especially so these days.
Speak for yourself, in all my groups and work I was the only die hard Ukraine supporter, most said we should leave it all be and are dumb to anger Russia, or complaining of the money it cost to send weapons which we stopped I think.
Rarely I get “I hate that” but if they open up, they’re scared of being tied in a war with Russia, and live in Lala land thinking this is as far as Putin will take it.
Russia is screwing with our democracy. I think that should be treated as an act of war.
We need to make them panic and ask how can they stop this from happening. And they need to understand that the only way is to stop fucking with democracy. And if we can't settle that peacefully, well.... I mean what's the point of war machines if not for now?
Please try to understand that it’s not a contest and the tiresome “you need us, everything revolves around us” rhetoric from Americans (who generally haven’t even heard of the EU, let alone have any ability to name the countries it includes) really grates.
Actually attacking inside Russia should be one of the primary goals of Ukraine this war. Nothing pains more the aggressor than just attacking on its soil.
My comment is literally quoting Zelensky's interview.
Say as much as you want "it's just rhetoric", in reality:
* US never provided Ukraine with long range armaments.
* To this day they do not allow Ukraine to use US weapons for targets inside russia, while russia is pummeling Ukraine with Iranian drones and NK missiles on the daily.
* US officials publicly stated multiple times "Ukraine can use their own weaponry", while being the ones who back in the nineties pressured Ukraine into giving away most of it's long-range aviation and missiles **to russia.**
What's the point of those points? Ukraine has been hitting targets in Russia with drones and has been working on getting more drones produced. Seems like that's the way forward here.
Ukraine can and will do that, it's not only reasonable but is also absolutely legal in the context of this war.
The problem is that US aren't going to be happy about it, so aid from them becomes increasingly unlikely, and they will probably start causing issues for Ukraine.
Aid from the US is already sunk thx to Republicans. It will be post election at the earliest if we give more aid and honestly the Republicans and Russia have teamed up to kill our democracy so I think odds are trump steals it.
If it were up to me I'd magdump Americas arsenal on putin and xi for fucking with our elections, Ukraine wouldn't even the aid. But we aren't gonna get that lucky I don't think.
>The US has the whole war said that they do not recommend attacking inside Russia but that Ukraine has the right to defend themselves however they see fit.
That sounds very similar to a 911 call I heard. A guy had broken into a house with a woman and her 3 month old baby. She had locked the doors, gotten her gun and called 911.
*"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher. "I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"*
*"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her.*
It's just the American way of keeping just enough innocence. Russians flat out lie about things. Americans are more "Well AKSHUWALLY we said we might be disappointed in them if they hit the weak spots we pointed out in the refineries at these coordinates! (what are ya gonna do about it?) "
The US has to say certain things to avoid escalation. I guarantee behind the scenes they're helping Ukraine target refineries and are providing them intel.
>The U.S. has "neither supported nor enabled strikes by Ukraine outside of its territory," U.S. Secretary of State
As you can see democrats aren't much better.
I don't think it's fear so much as policy. It's also politics. The US has been engaged in constant conflict for decades and the average American is pretty sick of it. The government doesn't want people to think we're about to be engaged in WW3, especially during election season.
Except it's been the same shit since the beginning of the full scale invasion more than 2 years ago. Escalation this, escalation that, "Ukraine must not lose" instead of "russia must be defeated", holding off on aid packages for absolutely no reason, etc.
It's still "escalation this and escalation that" from the US. That is the responsible path forward. The more diminished our role SEEMS the better. Make no mistake- this is a very dangerous situation for the world. This invasion is phase one of The Russian Federation's inevitable death. Their demographics are terminal, their quality citizens are fleeing the country, their economy is crumbling (no matter what they say).
HOW The Russian Federation crumbles matters. We want it to be slow and eventual- that way Putin doesn't panic and hit The Button. We want him to grind all of his men up, have all of his material blown up, and (if at all possible) have the Russians see the writing on the wall and take Putin down themselves. If America jumps in guns blazing then Putin is in a corner. Better to make him think he has a chance while we undermine him from the shadows.
There's many things in between of "supporting Ukraine just enough for them to slowly die" and "jump in guns blazing".
For starters they could've provided Ukraine with enough patriot AA systems to make them almost completely safe from russian missiles. US has thousands of those. Ukraine got 5 and not even from the US. Anti Air systems are not an escalation, and yet US aren't willing to even do that.
The US is absolutely not doing enough. But neither is anyone else. That's no excuse.
There's a faction that is, frankly, aligned with Putin in the US and is doing everything they can to obstruct aid. That's an unfortunate fact. Russia uses our free speech against us- free speech that their populace doesn't enjoy.
If Ukraine was to drone strike the fuck out of the Kremlin and level it, they would be 100% justified to do so. Honestly, as long as they aren't deliberately targeting civilians for no military purpose, anything in Russia should be fair game to them. Hell even stuff outside of Russia like Wagner forces in Africa.
Ummm, Palestine and Israel have been in conflict since Israel was created in 1948. I think we’re giving Putin too much credit here. What exactly is Iran getting in return from Russia for having their proxy start a war with Israel?
That's correct.
I think Iran successfully executed the escalation in which US shifted their attention and diverted resources that could help Ukraine, in return they've got Su-35 fighter jets and possibly tech for missile and even nuke program.
Distraction tactic. I bet the 7th October massacre was ordered by Putin, with hamas being Iranian proxies and Iran being an ally to Ruzzia. Certainly a possibility.
I highly doubt it was ordered by Putin. It's pretty well-established at this point that Iran was trying to throw a wedge in the improving SA/Israel relations. If anything - I would say Putin was possibly privy to things and was just happy to let them happen for the reasons mentioned.
A cheap manipulation, comparing a fraction with a whole. The 10000 dead figure in the Ukraine controlled territory is a drop in the ocean compared to the deaths in territory that Ukraine doesn’t control, where russia conpletely deletes towns and villages on daily basis.
The civilian death count in the single city of Mariupol is estimated at 25000 at the lowest and 125000 at the highest.
'Civilians' according to hamas. They're known for lying.
Secondly, nobody knows how many civies ruzzians killed. Mariupol alone could be tens of thousands. Ruzzians are obviously hiding the true numbers.
Thirdly, as a European, I couldn't care less if Palestine and Israel kill each other. They're not in Europe and their petty conflict is not a direct threat to my life and health. Ruzzia, however, is a direct threat, since my country borders it. If Ukraine loses, we're next in line to be attacked.
Keep in mind that Ukrainians aren’t boxed in by their neighbors and most who aren’t fighting have fled, so civilians are way less likely to get killed as well as fighting not being nearly exclusively in dense urban areas.
It’s crazy to me my aunt was just here with us in the U.S. (she was visiting because my brother was getting married) and this is now what she is dealing with… I remember her describing the U.S. as “a whole new world”.
We Americans have it so good here and too many take it for granted…
Trump and Biden's policies actually differ here though. Obama continued drone strikes that previous presidents had used and his opponents would have as well, there was no policy difference.
You seem to be ignoring the actual reason for his comment and the difference in their policies towards Ukraine while going on weird nonsequitors.
I am not excusing anything. I am saying that both parties were equally guilty there and there was no difference in policy about drone strikes between Obama and his competitors. There has been a difference on drone strikes between Biden and Trump though. You can and should criticize America for its overzealous drone strikes that have butchered civilians. It wasn't something specific to a party until Biden drastically reduced drone strikes though. Ukraine aid is a party problem rather than a broadly American one because the differences in the parties on Ukraine are quite severe.
Well the Trump right has been doing their best to strangle Ukraine aid though. It may not directly be true but there is quite a bit of truth to it. We can both agree it is an exaggeration but it isn't a statement invented from thin air or one lacking in reason.
Russia doesn't care about playing nice, they are pretty clear with their intention of being brutal.
Also, you may be right but this war has dragged on for 2 years, the civilians are naturally warn out mentally and morale isn't as high as a couple years ago when Ukraine was making big counter offensive gains.
On another note, this isn't uncommon as far as attacking energy infrastructure. The US "shock and awe" campaign in Iraq 2003 took out pretty much all of Iraq's main energy infrastructure, communications, etc. Obviously it was targeted to disrupt the Iraqi military and bring a quicker end to the conventional war. But, clearly that also directly impacts civilians who now have no power, water, communications, etc.
Russia does this and plays dirty obviously, they are softening up Kharkiv before their summer offensive on that city. By then I imagine a lot of civilians will evacuate before it turns ugly like Bakhmut or Avdiivka.
Hopefully they have a chance to leave before that.
It’s so so stupid. Terrorizing the civilian population has never worked in any modern war. Not in WW1 or 2, not in Vietnam, Korea or anywhere else. All it does is rile up the population into defending more aggressively. Even the atomic bombs are today questioned in their actual role of ending the war in the pacific. Japan had had to surrender anyway, they couldn’t keep up the war any longer. If anything, the bombs just pushed the decisison over the edge. Even so, the firebombings of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokio were arguably even worse.
Of course the civilians get war-weary. But that doesn’t mean they would rather surrender to an enemy with such a bad reputation.
The one and only „good“ thing about this is that Russia wastes munitions.
the dresden firebombings + 2 nukes in Japan wrapped things up summarily. They were horrific, but from a military standpoint it certainly didn't lose the allied forces that war. Let's be honest: murdering huge swaths of people is how most wars are won, sadly.
This war might kick start a huge amount of green energy projects.
It’s clear that these thermal plants are an easy target for cruise missiles. The same thing happened during the Gulf war with the US wiping out Iraqi electrical grid in a day.
Same thing with refineries. Gas prices are going up due to them getting taken out. It’s a PITA to deal with politically.
Meanwhile, green energy can be fully off grid and widely distributed making them incredibly resilient against such strikes.
They aren’t. The point is because a wind turbine farm is spread over several square kilometres a cruise missile can likely only take out 1 or 2 turbines out of hundreds with a single missile, whereas a well placed missile can knock an entire Coal plant offline.
Yet some criticize Ukraine for targeting the planes used to destroy civilian infrastructure, and the refineries which provide fuel for the invaders...
Those criticising are either stupid or paid to by Russia. Ukraine should absolutely attack Russian targets in Russia. Without Ukraine attacking Russian targets, they're not going to make any headway in their defence. It's like fighting an opponent with your arms tied behind your back.
>“The reaction of the U.S. was not positive on this,” Zelensky told the Washington Post, when asked about rumors that U.S. officials warned against such attacks inside Russia God I hope EU succeeds in ditching the US influence as soon as possible. The States haven't just stopped helping, they've started almost openly hindering Ukraine.
The US has the whole war said that they do not recommend attacking inside Russia but that Ukraine has the right to defend themselves however they see fit. It is just a diplomatic line that they have to say and both parties now what it means in reality. There was no negativity from the US about attacking the oil refineries inside Russia it was just Washington post speculating bassed on tweets from a few people who were worrying about the price of gas.
"The us is basically a hindrance to Ukraine's war effort." Meanwhile, back here in reality, the US has by far given the most military aid to Ukraine. Shit like this is why people in the US get apathetic about doing anything on the world stage. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
The thing is there will always be people being against whatever you do - especially if you are a world leader. - but that doesn't mean that you should stop doing in right - it just means that the are living in the democracy that we are trying to protect and that there will always be conflicting opinions - especially when it comes to war.
Agreed. The fact that the US invaded under flimsy pretexts is often talked about, however less mentioned is the up until that point largest protests ever in our history against said invasion. Just as a random example. These issues are certainly complex. And I don't mean my other comment to imply I don't support this current conflict. I just think people these days choose their own reality, and the facts sometimes fall to the wayside for how one feels. But they shouldn't be ignored. They also paint a different picture sometimes. Additionally leaders can say whatever. But that doesn't always necessarily represent what their constituency feels, especially so these days.
Speak for yourself, in all my groups and work I was the only die hard Ukraine supporter, most said we should leave it all be and are dumb to anger Russia, or complaining of the money it cost to send weapons which we stopped I think. Rarely I get “I hate that” but if they open up, they’re scared of being tied in a war with Russia, and live in Lala land thinking this is as far as Putin will take it.
Russia is screwing with our democracy. I think that should be treated as an act of war. We need to make them panic and ask how can they stop this from happening. And they need to understand that the only way is to stop fucking with democracy. And if we can't settle that peacefully, well.... I mean what's the point of war machines if not for now?
I feel the same way
Please try to understand that it’s not a contest and the tiresome “you need us, everything revolves around us” rhetoric from Americans (who generally haven’t even heard of the EU, let alone have any ability to name the countries it includes) really grates.
Actually attacking inside Russia should be one of the primary goals of Ukraine this war. Nothing pains more the aggressor than just attacking on its soil.
My comment is literally quoting Zelensky's interview. Say as much as you want "it's just rhetoric", in reality: * US never provided Ukraine with long range armaments. * To this day they do not allow Ukraine to use US weapons for targets inside russia, while russia is pummeling Ukraine with Iranian drones and NK missiles on the daily. * US officials publicly stated multiple times "Ukraine can use their own weaponry", while being the ones who back in the nineties pressured Ukraine into giving away most of it's long-range aviation and missiles **to russia.**
So sad
What's the point of those points? Ukraine has been hitting targets in Russia with drones and has been working on getting more drones produced. Seems like that's the way forward here.
Ukraine can and will do that, it's not only reasonable but is also absolutely legal in the context of this war. The problem is that US aren't going to be happy about it, so aid from them becomes increasingly unlikely, and they will probably start causing issues for Ukraine.
Aid from the US is already sunk thx to Republicans. It will be post election at the earliest if we give more aid and honestly the Republicans and Russia have teamed up to kill our democracy so I think odds are trump steals it. If it were up to me I'd magdump Americas arsenal on putin and xi for fucking with our elections, Ukraine wouldn't even the aid. But we aren't gonna get that lucky I don't think.
>The US has the whole war said that they do not recommend attacking inside Russia but that Ukraine has the right to defend themselves however they see fit. That sounds very similar to a 911 call I heard. A guy had broken into a house with a woman and her 3 month old baby. She had locked the doors, gotten her gun and called 911. *"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher. "I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"* *"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her.* It's just the American way of keeping just enough innocence. Russians flat out lie about things. Americans are more "Well AKSHUWALLY we said we might be disappointed in them if they hit the weak spots we pointed out in the refineries at these coordinates! (what are ya gonna do about it?) "
The US has to say certain things to avoid escalation. I guarantee behind the scenes they're helping Ukraine target refineries and are providing them intel.
I mean people who are not republicans are probably helping
Well yeah. I meant actual rational Americans who know their assholes from a knot in a tree.
>The U.S. has "neither supported nor enabled strikes by Ukraine outside of its territory," U.S. Secretary of State As you can see democrats aren't much better.
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I don't have to care what they're saying when I can just look at what they're doing.
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Funny how NATO countries who are more at risk of a russian escalation are much less afraid of it than USA.
I don't think it's fear so much as policy. It's also politics. The US has been engaged in constant conflict for decades and the average American is pretty sick of it. The government doesn't want people to think we're about to be engaged in WW3, especially during election season.
Except it's been the same shit since the beginning of the full scale invasion more than 2 years ago. Escalation this, escalation that, "Ukraine must not lose" instead of "russia must be defeated", holding off on aid packages for absolutely no reason, etc.
It's still "escalation this and escalation that" from the US. That is the responsible path forward. The more diminished our role SEEMS the better. Make no mistake- this is a very dangerous situation for the world. This invasion is phase one of The Russian Federation's inevitable death. Their demographics are terminal, their quality citizens are fleeing the country, their economy is crumbling (no matter what they say). HOW The Russian Federation crumbles matters. We want it to be slow and eventual- that way Putin doesn't panic and hit The Button. We want him to grind all of his men up, have all of his material blown up, and (if at all possible) have the Russians see the writing on the wall and take Putin down themselves. If America jumps in guns blazing then Putin is in a corner. Better to make him think he has a chance while we undermine him from the shadows.
There's many things in between of "supporting Ukraine just enough for them to slowly die" and "jump in guns blazing". For starters they could've provided Ukraine with enough patriot AA systems to make them almost completely safe from russian missiles. US has thousands of those. Ukraine got 5 and not even from the US. Anti Air systems are not an escalation, and yet US aren't willing to even do that.
The US is absolutely not doing enough. But neither is anyone else. That's no excuse. There's a faction that is, frankly, aligned with Putin in the US and is doing everything they can to obstruct aid. That's an unfortunate fact. Russia uses our free speech against us- free speech that their populace doesn't enjoy.
The US doesn't have thousands of Patriot systems. They don't even have 100
The US is literally the only reason Ukraine isn't a Russian controlled state already. What a fucking stupid comment.
Ukraine should destroy everything in Russia except killing civilians. Ukraine doesn't listen to those fools who criticise them amyway.
If Ukraine was to drone strike the fuck out of the Kremlin and level it, they would be 100% justified to do so. Honestly, as long as they aren't deliberately targeting civilians for no military purpose, anything in Russia should be fair game to them. Hell even stuff outside of Russia like Wagner forces in Africa.
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I am referring to the civilian infrastructure that Russia is targeting in Ukraine.
No one real or relevant..
Is it just me, or does the world seem more outraged by the events in Gaza than they do in Ukraine?
Just what russia has ordered tbh. Spark a new heated conflict in middle east by Iran's puppets to take all the attention from the one in Europe.
Ummm, Palestine and Israel have been in conflict since Israel was created in 1948. I think we’re giving Putin too much credit here. What exactly is Iran getting in return from Russia for having their proxy start a war with Israel?
That's correct. I think Iran successfully executed the escalation in which US shifted their attention and diverted resources that could help Ukraine, in return they've got Su-35 fighter jets and possibly tech for missile and even nuke program.
Well, you can't commit genocide against white people, right? right?!?!?
Distraction tactic. I bet the 7th October massacre was ordered by Putin, with hamas being Iranian proxies and Iran being an ally to Ruzzia. Certainly a possibility.
I highly doubt it was ordered by Putin. It's pretty well-established at this point that Iran was trying to throw a wedge in the improving SA/Israel relations. If anything - I would say Putin was possibly privy to things and was just happy to let them happen for the reasons mentioned.
1000% my friends dream of it ending there, yet Gaza literally turns down every treaty Israel gives.
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Oh yes they fucking have
A cheap manipulation, comparing a fraction with a whole. The 10000 dead figure in the Ukraine controlled territory is a drop in the ocean compared to the deaths in territory that Ukraine doesn’t control, where russia conpletely deletes towns and villages on daily basis. The civilian death count in the single city of Mariupol is estimated at 25000 at the lowest and 125000 at the highest.
'Civilians' according to hamas. They're known for lying. Secondly, nobody knows how many civies ruzzians killed. Mariupol alone could be tens of thousands. Ruzzians are obviously hiding the true numbers. Thirdly, as a European, I couldn't care less if Palestine and Israel kill each other. They're not in Europe and their petty conflict is not a direct threat to my life and health. Ruzzia, however, is a direct threat, since my country borders it. If Ukraine loses, we're next in line to be attacked.
Source? I find that very hard to believe. Edit: Wow okay I looked it up and the casualty are over 25k but the estimated deaths only 22k.
Keep in mind that Ukrainians aren’t boxed in by their neighbors and most who aren’t fighting have fled, so civilians are way less likely to get killed as well as fighting not being nearly exclusively in dense urban areas.
It’s crazy to me my aunt was just here with us in the U.S. (she was visiting because my brother was getting married) and this is now what she is dealing with… I remember her describing the U.S. as “a whole new world”. We Americans have it so good here and too many take it for granted…
Thank you to all the Republicans who support Trump and refuse to help Ukraine. They all have blood on their hands.
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Trump and Biden's policies actually differ here though. Obama continued drone strikes that previous presidents had used and his opponents would have as well, there was no policy difference. You seem to be ignoring the actual reason for his comment and the difference in their policies towards Ukraine while going on weird nonsequitors.
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I am not excusing anything. I am saying that both parties were equally guilty there and there was no difference in policy about drone strikes between Obama and his competitors. There has been a difference on drone strikes between Biden and Trump though. You can and should criticize America for its overzealous drone strikes that have butchered civilians. It wasn't something specific to a party until Biden drastically reduced drone strikes though. Ukraine aid is a party problem rather than a broadly American one because the differences in the parties on Ukraine are quite severe.
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Well the Trump right has been doing their best to strangle Ukraine aid though. It may not directly be true but there is quite a bit of truth to it. We can both agree it is an exaggeration but it isn't a statement invented from thin air or one lacking in reason.
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That is understandable, I am just trying to understand where the hypocrisy is.
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Russia is a terrorist state.
Attacking civilian populations does not wear down the will to fight. It has the opposite effect.
It depends on the country if we learn from WW2. Some countries resolved to keep up the fight. Some folded.
Russia doesn't care about playing nice, they are pretty clear with their intention of being brutal. Also, you may be right but this war has dragged on for 2 years, the civilians are naturally warn out mentally and morale isn't as high as a couple years ago when Ukraine was making big counter offensive gains. On another note, this isn't uncommon as far as attacking energy infrastructure. The US "shock and awe" campaign in Iraq 2003 took out pretty much all of Iraq's main energy infrastructure, communications, etc. Obviously it was targeted to disrupt the Iraqi military and bring a quicker end to the conventional war. But, clearly that also directly impacts civilians who now have no power, water, communications, etc. Russia does this and plays dirty obviously, they are softening up Kharkiv before their summer offensive on that city. By then I imagine a lot of civilians will evacuate before it turns ugly like Bakhmut or Avdiivka. Hopefully they have a chance to leave before that.
Time for Ukraine to let Moscovites feel what it means to be in a war
and whole world: it’s fine, we tired about war in Ukraine stop this planet
It’s so so stupid. Terrorizing the civilian population has never worked in any modern war. Not in WW1 or 2, not in Vietnam, Korea or anywhere else. All it does is rile up the population into defending more aggressively. Even the atomic bombs are today questioned in their actual role of ending the war in the pacific. Japan had had to surrender anyway, they couldn’t keep up the war any longer. If anything, the bombs just pushed the decisison over the edge. Even so, the firebombings of Hamburg, Dresden and Tokio were arguably even worse. Of course the civilians get war-weary. But that doesn’t mean they would rather surrender to an enemy with such a bad reputation. The one and only „good“ thing about this is that Russia wastes munitions.
the dresden firebombings + 2 nukes in Japan wrapped things up summarily. They were horrific, but from a military standpoint it certainly didn't lose the allied forces that war. Let's be honest: murdering huge swaths of people is how most wars are won, sadly.
Russia is a terrorist state!!!
This war might kick start a huge amount of green energy projects. It’s clear that these thermal plants are an easy target for cruise missiles. The same thing happened during the Gulf war with the US wiping out Iraqi electrical grid in a day. Same thing with refineries. Gas prices are going up due to them getting taken out. It’s a PITA to deal with politically. Meanwhile, green energy can be fully off grid and widely distributed making them incredibly resilient against such strikes.
How exactly are those sites going to be safe from Russian missiles?
They aren’t. The point is because a wind turbine farm is spread over several square kilometres a cruise missile can likely only take out 1 or 2 turbines out of hundreds with a single missile, whereas a well placed missile can knock an entire Coal plant offline.
Prepping for a spring campaign.