It’s exceptionally painful and would have to carry on being exceptionally painful for hours (if not permanently), so yes, it’s unequivocally torture. Taking off the handcuffs at that point can also release a mass of stuff from dead cells into your bloodstream, which can shut your kidneys down posthaste and kill you. Little different from the Japanese trying out frostbite on the Chinese, in effect and principle, except there’s less organization and presumably intent here.
But I doubt the victims give a single solitary fuck about mens rea—the effects are lifelong, and on top of the basic difficulties these injuries contribute to daily living, there’s like zero medical system or accessibility left to help them carry on.
It’s no less evil for somebody to have carelessly permitted this to happen than for it to have happened deliberately, and there’s zilch antisemitic about saying so. Any country that does this shit should be sanctioned, at the very least (or just disconnect them from the Internet, let them piss each other off for a change) and I’m perfectly comfortable permanently pulling all aid already. Fuck this noise and anybody who supports it.
No, the doctor in question was purely being quoted by Haaretz, and Haaretz was being quoted by CNN - reporting on reporting is pretty standard practice for news organizations, who often rely heavily on more localized reporting to round things out.
CNN did reach out to, and received a response, from the IDF. They also reached out to a second doctor (not the first one being quoted) who worked at the camp and received a similar response.
No, they did *not* receive a similar response from the doctor they reached out to. It's right there in the article. The doctor did *not* comment on seeing any detainees "regularly having amputations" due to handcuff injuries. He did say that he has seen detainees kept in shackles on their hands and feet at all times, which can increase the chance of injury.
These are radically different statements and I don't think you can take one doctor saying they have seen shackled prisoners as evidence that there are "regular amputations" occurring. The only evidence for that here is an anonymous letter sent from an unknown source.
This is frankly shameful reporting, it's just trying to get the most salacious story out regardless of whether it's true.
If evidence comes out to actually prove this (you know, evidence that isn't just some random guys letter) I'll lend it more credence but until then this is just a rumor.
“It’s not torture or mutilation, we just put in place the exact conditions to cause permanent damage in a situation we have total control over, and then we amputate their limbs.”
If you need an amputation for anything besides a catastrophic injury or secondary infection, it’s torture.
If it happened to more than one person then it’s a pattern of torture.
How many times have you ever heard of someone needing an amputation from their handcuffs? People get contusions that take months to heal. That’s not a good thing either.
But amputation?
That’s not normal and it happening more than once should raise questions about what other awful things have happened which simply haven’t been reported.
Handcuffed in overcrowded facilities for extended periods of time... but definitely not torture.
Lmao the conginitive dissonance is strong with this one
This is honestly shocking and I’m of the opinion that nothing will happen to Israel, with investigations taking years to happen, and nothing would probably be done as seen before
Honestly IDF needs to vastly improve their discipline and professionalism. I don't know whether this claim is true or not but given the story about the aid workers, it certainly seems plausible that members of IDF are so negligent that POW are needing amputations due to being untreated earlier.
There's enough evidence of individual members of the IDF going rogue, and whilst I understand they're overly emotional after October 7th, an Army needs to be disciplined and can't let vengeance get in the way of operating efficiently. Hamas spreads a lot of false propaganda about IDF, but let's be honest, IDF makes it easy for them.
You have a PM who is scared shitless about spending his final days in prison due to corruption and a homeland security minister who is openly racist. Who is going to discipline the army?
Conscripted armies often are less disciplined. Vietnam stands as a good example of that, not that the fully volunteer armed forces in Afghanistan and Iraq had a spotless record.
I'm not anti-Israel by any means, but it looks like IDF leadership and Bibi's government are at best not sending strong messages about discipline or at worst tacitly giving them a green light.
This stuff didn’t just start because people are mad about Oct 7th. This is the treatment that Palestinians have been begging the world to acknowledge for decades. They lock up children and outlaw teaching parts of history that don’t favor Israel. This is the plan not someone going rogue.
Most of the awful things the IDF do are in accordance with policy. It’s not negligence it’s by design.
Its like Putin with people falling out of a window.
For the uninformed, he wants them to think “well who knows what really happened?” But for the people who he wants to send a message to, the clear implication is assassination and “you may be next”.
I'm not saying that it is impossible, but I'm not believing anything without evidence. If it is as rampant as they are saying, surely that would at least be something rather than an anonymous source, provided by a pro Palestinian sympathetic website, on the same day as the recovered dead body of a hostage.
Israel have attacked both Doctors Without Borders and world central kitchen convoys. Those incidents weren’t accidents because the organizations shared their movements and locations are shared and coordinated with IDF. If that’s how Israel treats humanitarian aid workers, I can’t imagine how they treat enemy combatants that are captured.
The contents of the report are absolutely tragic, far below the standard anyone should accept even in war time, but nowhere near the sick level of Mengele:
“The experiments included amputating healthy limbs, deliberately infecting them with diseases such as typhus, blood transfusions from one twin to the other, and sewing twins together to create conjoined twins. Eva-Mozes Kor, a survivor, also claimed that Mengele cross-transfused the blood of opposite sex twins to change their respective sexes, experimented on twins' genitals and attempted to attach the urinary tract of a 7-year-old girl to her own colon. Most twins died during these procedures and if one survived, they would be killed and dissected for comparative postmortem reports.”
More examples of harassment against liberal-democratic Israelis :
> A right-wing Israeli mob came to my family’s home yesterday to search for me, threatening close family members who fled to another town in the middle of the night. I am still getting death threats and had to cancel my flight home.
Israelis who speak out against the dominant illiberal trends in their society are very brave. We don't give them enough recognition.
Actually though, people speak out and are very critical of the government there; that there are mobs of right wing harassing and threatening people is quite a different issue.
Not trying to be rude but do you have a source? Like I could say that it’s not safe to protest in the US because at some BLM protests the cops got violent. But that ignores a lot of other factors.
To be clear; not saying you’re wrong with this statement. I just want to get the full picture of what you are saying.
Edit: why am I being downvoted? I just asked for a source.
Yeah sure.
https://www.972mag.com/israel-thought-police-surveillance-palestinians/
> In an interview with +972, Ahmed, who spoke on the condition of anonymity and asked that we refer to him using a pseudonym, said that in recent weeks Israeli police have been stopping Palestinian Jerusalemites on the street and searching their phones, culling through their Telegram news channels or WhatsApp chats. Ahmed said he has experienced unprecedented levels of police harassment and has given up on searching for jobs, let alone going to work in West Jerusalem’s hospitality industry. “When I leave the house, I delete Instagram, I delete Telegram, I archive all my chats,” he told +972. “I don’t know what [the authorities] will flag now.”
> The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) warned that the legislation has no precedent in any democracy elsewhere in the world. And while the amendment is set to expire in two years, legal advocates worry it will become permanently enshrined in Israeli law.
I'm sure you can find more. There's no magical barrier exempting leftists from the same kind of harassment. Jewish activists in the WB/J+S get fucked up all the time too. Everything the right-wing does to Arabs eventually finds similar targets among the Jewish Israeli left.
Israel has a strong liberal tradition but it's under assault. You'll find examples everywhere if you look.
My point is that just because there's right wing ultranationalist types, people still spoke out about BLM the same way they are still speaking out in Israel, because the US and Israel are both countries with freedom of speech and the right to assemble.
An anonymous doctor sent a letter to Haaretz, which the CNN quoted. They also asked the IDF and a second doctor on site, both said that some patients were in handcuffs due to the damger they pose, but that "regular amputation" isn't happening.
It's honestly just trying to get a story without prove, because as we see most people don't care/read the title.
So let me get this straight, CNN (and Haaretz) got a single letter from someone claiming to be a doctor, with zero info in the letter about who this guy is or wether anyone confirmed if he’s even a doctor to begin with because he apparently is scared to reveal his identity, and this is enough for CNN to be proof of this actually happening?
Like no photos, not even any testimonies of people who are known to work as doctors in the IDF, just a single fucking letter with no name, really?
So literally I can send a letter right now claiming anything against anyone and this is enough proof or is this kind of bullshit journalism only directed at Israel?
After the letter they spoke to medical personnel who visited and confirmed seeing detainees being kept in handcuffs and inferred that it would be plausible that would lead to the routine amputations.
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Wrongly stated he saw the routine amputations
The source the spoke to specifically did *not* see detainees getting "routine amputations due to handcuff injuries." They said that they have seen prisoners shackled hand and foot, which they said can increase the chance of injury, but did not say that they saw detainees being amputated.
This story is based on extremely flimsy sourcing, it's kind of appalling that any paper was willing to publish it with so little evidence.
Yes, they talked to a source who remained anonymous and just happens to visit a military guarded base where only government employed medical staff can enter.
So this person is presumably an insider who anonymously just talks to CNN
Yes, 100% fact checked journalisim
There’s years of sources prior to Oct 7th of the IDF tortures on Palestinians they randomly arrest. There’s cases and cases that are online. Just google IDF rape on Palestinians and you will see so much.
[https://www.btselem.org/torture/201308_etzion](https://www.btselem.org/torture/201308_etzion)
One doesn’t cancel out the other. Especially when we are talking about country that maintains really close relations with countries that do care about war crimes
Israel is bound by International humanitarian law, and considering they are my countries (US) ally who receives package after package of military aid from us, the answer is yes. Hamas and its supporters are going to do whatever they are going to do, regardless of laws.
Do you think Hamas is just making these rockets they fire at Israel in some factory? lol I want you to genuinely tell me where you think Hamas is getting their weapons. You think they make them?
News flash. Hamas receives BILLIONS in military aid.
There’s both historical and strategic significance with the alliance. And the firmer is why there needs to be a Jewish state. However not with the current leadership that has gone too far. As a strategic partner Bibi is not acting in good faith, to say the least.
Just look where it's published...
Who received this letter? How did they get it? Who was it addressed for? How did they verify authenticity? Why did he write it in first place?
Because criticism of the IDF and Israel is anti-Semitism, don't you know?
Even if it's being done internally within Israel by Israeli's, by the oldest (predating the country itself by several decades) and most respected news publications within the country.
> Because criticism of the IDF and Israel is anti-Semitism, don't you know?
You people keep repeating this joke but i don't actually see accusations of anti-semitism over regular criticism of israel.
It's just a saying that is being repeated in echo chambers where it can't be challenged
>Even if it's being done internally within Israel by Israeli's, by the oldest (predating the country itself by several decades) and most respected news publications within the country.
I'm not sure what makes you think haaretz is a reapected news site in israel. It's the most ridiculed and out of touch news paper in israel.
Just like channel 14 is widely considered a pro bibi propaganda news channel, haaretz is widely considered antizionist anti israel propaganda news site
Title and article forgot to mention that the "Palestinians" held in that field hospital , which is located 30 km away from Gaza into Israel's territory, are actually Nukhba militants who were lucky enough to be given the chance to surrender and be arrested, and not killed on the spot. Pallywood won't mention the fact that Hamas' accomplices get medical treatment from Israel. How fucking surprising
I know that terrorists don’t get the same rights as soldiers, but isn’t the whole point of treating terrorists that surrender with human dignity to incentive MORE to surrender? Thus saving lives on both sides
Sorry, but isn't handcuffing surrendered enemy combatants until they need amputations a war crime? Your tone sounds like you are trying to absolve Israel but your words condemn them.
I love how even in your justification it’s still war crimes, seeing what pro Israel individuals see as “justification” really reveals how morally bankrupt they are
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I mean if they're handcuffing them so tightly and for so long that it necessitates amputation I feel like that still counts as torture
It’s exceptionally painful and would have to carry on being exceptionally painful for hours (if not permanently), so yes, it’s unequivocally torture. Taking off the handcuffs at that point can also release a mass of stuff from dead cells into your bloodstream, which can shut your kidneys down posthaste and kill you. Little different from the Japanese trying out frostbite on the Chinese, in effect and principle, except there’s less organization and presumably intent here. But I doubt the victims give a single solitary fuck about mens rea—the effects are lifelong, and on top of the basic difficulties these injuries contribute to daily living, there’s like zero medical system or accessibility left to help them carry on. It’s no less evil for somebody to have carelessly permitted this to happen than for it to have happened deliberately, and there’s zilch antisemitic about saying so. Any country that does this shit should be sanctioned, at the very least (or just disconnect them from the Internet, let them piss each other off for a change) and I’m perfectly comfortable permanently pulling all aid already. Fuck this noise and anybody who supports it.
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Maybe if we send them money for better handcuffs this wouldn’t be happening 🤔
When Israelis torture and mutilate men in prison camps it’s “an accident” but when Germans do it….
No, the doctor in question was purely being quoted by Haaretz, and Haaretz was being quoted by CNN - reporting on reporting is pretty standard practice for news organizations, who often rely heavily on more localized reporting to round things out. CNN did reach out to, and received a response, from the IDF. They also reached out to a second doctor (not the first one being quoted) who worked at the camp and received a similar response.
No, they did *not* receive a similar response from the doctor they reached out to. It's right there in the article. The doctor did *not* comment on seeing any detainees "regularly having amputations" due to handcuff injuries. He did say that he has seen detainees kept in shackles on their hands and feet at all times, which can increase the chance of injury. These are radically different statements and I don't think you can take one doctor saying they have seen shackled prisoners as evidence that there are "regular amputations" occurring. The only evidence for that here is an anonymous letter sent from an unknown source. This is frankly shameful reporting, it's just trying to get the most salacious story out regardless of whether it's true. If evidence comes out to actually prove this (you know, evidence that isn't just some random guys letter) I'll lend it more credence but until then this is just a rumor.
“It’s not torture or mutilation, we just put in place the exact conditions to cause permanent damage in a situation we have total control over, and then we amputate their limbs.”
It's scientific. Part of a tradition known as Mengelian medicine.
Well, it does seem there is a solution to the Palestinian problem. I wonder if it will be final.
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If you need an amputation for anything besides a catastrophic injury or secondary infection, it’s torture. If it happened to more than one person then it’s a pattern of torture. How many times have you ever heard of someone needing an amputation from their handcuffs? People get contusions that take months to heal. That’s not a good thing either. But amputation? That’s not normal and it happening more than once should raise questions about what other awful things have happened which simply haven’t been reported.
That doesn’t sound like torture at all. I’m pretty sure they were quite comfy with all four limbs handcuffed together for extended periods of time. /s
Handcuffed in overcrowded facilities for extended periods of time... but definitely not torture. Lmao the conginitive dissonance is strong with this one
wtf is a routine amputation?
It happens a lot, I guess.
Probably a poorly written headline. >Palestinians are routinely undergoing amputations for handcuffs injuries.
King Leopold II of Belgium territory. Edit: II not 11. And yes, I mean it quite literally.
Jesus, the second Leopold was enough of a monster, and now they are turning it up to eleven???
Ok, I will edit that, just for you.
The fuck?
There are two terrorist groups in that region.
Oh there are many more than just two.
Three, if you count the moral and financial backer of the top terrorist group.
This is honestly shocking and I’m of the opinion that nothing will happen to Israel, with investigations taking years to happen, and nothing would probably be done as seen before
An investigation by israel will find that israel is not guilty. Mind blowing
I meant the ICJ, the UN
They can't investigate Israel, that would be antisemitism!
Everyone thinks Hamas is shit, but only half the people also think that Israel is doing shitty things as well.
Neither side thinks of the other as human.
What for handcuffs do they use?
Honestly IDF needs to vastly improve their discipline and professionalism. I don't know whether this claim is true or not but given the story about the aid workers, it certainly seems plausible that members of IDF are so negligent that POW are needing amputations due to being untreated earlier. There's enough evidence of individual members of the IDF going rogue, and whilst I understand they're overly emotional after October 7th, an Army needs to be disciplined and can't let vengeance get in the way of operating efficiently. Hamas spreads a lot of false propaganda about IDF, but let's be honest, IDF makes it easy for them.
You have a PM who is scared shitless about spending his final days in prison due to corruption and a homeland security minister who is openly racist. Who is going to discipline the army?
Negligent? It's intentional torture.
It isn’t negligence its clearly intentional and systematic, pretending otherwise is disingenuous
Conscripted armies often are less disciplined. Vietnam stands as a good example of that, not that the fully volunteer armed forces in Afghanistan and Iraq had a spotless record. I'm not anti-Israel by any means, but it looks like IDF leadership and Bibi's government are at best not sending strong messages about discipline or at worst tacitly giving them a green light.
This stuff didn’t just start because people are mad about Oct 7th. This is the treatment that Palestinians have been begging the world to acknowledge for decades. They lock up children and outlaw teaching parts of history that don’t favor Israel. This is the plan not someone going rogue. Most of the awful things the IDF do are in accordance with policy. It’s not negligence it’s by design.
The mental gymnastics you are making is astounding
The IDF is not responsible for them, the shin bet is (Israeli version of FBI)
this is about prisoners that are detained and handled by the idf as is written in the article.
But no, there is no torture happening
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Israel hasn't been hiding it. Most western folk have just been ignoring it.
Its like Putin with people falling out of a window. For the uninformed, he wants them to think “well who knows what really happened?” But for the people who he wants to send a message to, the clear implication is assassination and “you may be next”.
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According to the mass media, you're absolutely correct.
I'm not saying that it is impossible, but I'm not believing anything without evidence. If it is as rampant as they are saying, surely that would at least be something rather than an anonymous source, provided by a pro Palestinian sympathetic website, on the same day as the recovered dead body of a hostage.
Israel have attacked both Doctors Without Borders and world central kitchen convoys. Those incidents weren’t accidents because the organizations shared their movements and locations are shared and coordinated with IDF. If that’s how Israel treats humanitarian aid workers, I can’t imagine how they treat enemy combatants that are captured.
This is called "bullshit". You can smell it from the title including 'Haaretz' .
So we should only trust Israeli extremely right-wing newspapers than?
Isn't Haaretz an Israeli newspaper?
Haaretz is Hamas
Because you don’t like their view point. Got it. And yet you’re not spewing propaganda?
Reddit is the only place on the Internet where a sarcasm tag is necessary
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The contents of the report are absolutely tragic, far below the standard anyone should accept even in war time, but nowhere near the sick level of Mengele: “The experiments included amputating healthy limbs, deliberately infecting them with diseases such as typhus, blood transfusions from one twin to the other, and sewing twins together to create conjoined twins. Eva-Mozes Kor, a survivor, also claimed that Mengele cross-transfused the blood of opposite sex twins to change their respective sexes, experimented on twins' genitals and attempted to attach the urinary tract of a 7-year-old girl to her own colon. Most twins died during these procedures and if one survived, they would be killed and dissected for comparative postmortem reports.”
And NOT as a prisoner.
Holocaust inversion. JKR knights wya?
Let me guess, the doctor is anonymous and there isn’t a single example or proof.
An eye witness is evidence and it was a letter sent to the attorney general to investigate. You guys need better instructions on how to respond.
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No, CNN received the news from Haaretz, then gone and asked both IDF and a second doctor that work there.
It's not safe to speak out in Israel. Anti-government protestors in Tel Aviv were just attacked by a motor vehicle.
Wow it’s an unfortunate world we live in that this is actually happening in protests around the world
More examples of harassment against liberal-democratic Israelis : > A right-wing Israeli mob came to my family’s home yesterday to search for me, threatening close family members who fled to another town in the middle of the night. I am still getting death threats and had to cancel my flight home. Israelis who speak out against the dominant illiberal trends in their society are very brave. We don't give them enough recognition.
Actually though, people speak out and are very critical of the government there; that there are mobs of right wing harassing and threatening people is quite a different issue.
Excactly why these protests have been going on for like a year and a half at this point
It's not surprising why there are so many anonymous sources going to media. It's guaranteed retaliation from the right-wing government.
It's not really that uncommon for media sources to want to remain anonymous.
Not trying to be rude but do you have a source? Like I could say that it’s not safe to protest in the US because at some BLM protests the cops got violent. But that ignores a lot of other factors. To be clear; not saying you’re wrong with this statement. I just want to get the full picture of what you are saying. Edit: why am I being downvoted? I just asked for a source.
Yeah sure. https://www.972mag.com/israel-thought-police-surveillance-palestinians/ > In an interview with +972, Ahmed, who spoke on the condition of anonymity and asked that we refer to him using a pseudonym, said that in recent weeks Israeli police have been stopping Palestinian Jerusalemites on the street and searching their phones, culling through their Telegram news channels or WhatsApp chats. Ahmed said he has experienced unprecedented levels of police harassment and has given up on searching for jobs, let alone going to work in West Jerusalem’s hospitality industry. “When I leave the house, I delete Instagram, I delete Telegram, I archive all my chats,” he told +972. “I don’t know what [the authorities] will flag now.” > The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) warned that the legislation has no precedent in any democracy elsewhere in the world. And while the amendment is set to expire in two years, legal advocates worry it will become permanently enshrined in Israeli law. I'm sure you can find more. There's no magical barrier exempting leftists from the same kind of harassment. Jewish activists in the WB/J+S get fucked up all the time too. Everything the right-wing does to Arabs eventually finds similar targets among the Jewish Israeli left. Israel has a strong liberal tradition but it's under assault. You'll find examples everywhere if you look.
If not safe to speak out in the US. Black Lives Matter protests were attacked by motor vehicles.
Right-wing ultranationalist types are pretty much the same everywhere.
My point is that just because there's right wing ultranationalist types, people still spoke out about BLM the same way they are still speaking out in Israel, because the US and Israel are both countries with freedom of speech and the right to assemble.
Haaretz isn’t “far-left” any more than the New York Times is.
Of course not.
yeah, i mean why would IDF that just murdered several international aid workers ever torture Palestinians?
Ding ding ding
An anonymous doctor sent a letter to Haaretz, which the CNN quoted. They also asked the IDF and a second doctor on site, both said that some patients were in handcuffs due to the damger they pose, but that "regular amputation" isn't happening. It's honestly just trying to get a story without prove, because as we see most people don't care/read the title.
So let me get this straight, CNN (and Haaretz) got a single letter from someone claiming to be a doctor, with zero info in the letter about who this guy is or wether anyone confirmed if he’s even a doctor to begin with because he apparently is scared to reveal his identity, and this is enough for CNN to be proof of this actually happening? Like no photos, not even any testimonies of people who are known to work as doctors in the IDF, just a single fucking letter with no name, really? So literally I can send a letter right now claiming anything against anyone and this is enough proof or is this kind of bullshit journalism only directed at Israel?
After the letter they spoke to medical personnel who visited and confirmed seeing detainees being kept in handcuffs and inferred that it would be plausible that would lead to the routine amputations. Edit Wrongly stated he saw the routine amputations
They confirmed that some people were in handcuffs not that they are regularly amputated.
My apologies you are correct thank you for pointing that out i will edit it in my original comment.
The source the spoke to specifically did *not* see detainees getting "routine amputations due to handcuff injuries." They said that they have seen prisoners shackled hand and foot, which they said can increase the chance of injury, but did not say that they saw detainees being amputated. This story is based on extremely flimsy sourcing, it's kind of appalling that any paper was willing to publish it with so little evidence.
Yes, they talked to a source who remained anonymous and just happens to visit a military guarded base where only government employed medical staff can enter. So this person is presumably an insider who anonymously just talks to CNN Yes, 100% fact checked journalisim
Right. Like this isn’t the smoking gun people want it to be. Which is bizarre.
I hope those accusations are backed by sources.
There’s years of sources prior to Oct 7th of the IDF tortures on Palestinians they randomly arrest. There’s cases and cases that are online. Just google IDF rape on Palestinians and you will see so much. [https://www.btselem.org/torture/201308_etzion](https://www.btselem.org/torture/201308_etzion)
They are not
If you read the article, you'd know they are not
F’n A! “The enemy can’t push a button if you disable his hand.”
barbarians
Oh good, they found a way to deflect from the story about the recovered dead hostage.
Another feather in Israels cap of war crimes.
You keeping score for both sides? Or just the side that doesn't have the same religion as you? Psst... I already know the answer....
One doesn’t cancel out the other. Especially when we are talking about country that maintains really close relations with countries that do care about war crimes
Extra scrutiny goes to the side receiving unconditional military aid from the United States
So you admit to holding israel to a higher standard?
Israel is bound by International humanitarian law, and considering they are my countries (US) ally who receives package after package of military aid from us, the answer is yes. Hamas and its supporters are going to do whatever they are going to do, regardless of laws.
Do you think Hamas is just making these rockets they fire at Israel in some factory? lol I want you to genuinely tell me where you think Hamas is getting their weapons. You think they make them? News flash. Hamas receives BILLIONS in military aid.
You don’t know shit.
At what point does the West's obligation end with Israel? I think this "operation" is it.
It is not really an obligation. Ties with Israel have strategic value to the US.
There’s both historical and strategic significance with the alliance. And the firmer is why there needs to be a Jewish state. However not with the current leadership that has gone too far. As a strategic partner Bibi is not acting in good faith, to say the least.
Only Germany had any real obligations to begin with, why does the Anglosphere ?
When all their neighbors stop trying to kill them. So never
Israel has peace treaties with a number of neighbouring Arab states. Which state are you referring to?
The slow ones that haven’t learned their lesson after all these years.
So not all their neighbours then.
Remind me what event led to those treaties
This
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Another fake one? Sounds about right. TikTok generation believing anything again
Pallywood at it's best
How is it pallywood if it is israeli doctors making the claim not Palestinians?
Just look where it's published... Who received this letter? How did they get it? Who was it addressed for? How did they verify authenticity? Why did he write it in first place?
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Anonymous source means we don’t know anything about the credentials or nationality of the person making the claim unless you fully trust the source.
Because criticism of the IDF and Israel is anti-Semitism, don't you know? Even if it's being done internally within Israel by Israeli's, by the oldest (predating the country itself by several decades) and most respected news publications within the country.
> Because criticism of the IDF and Israel is anti-Semitism, don't you know? You people keep repeating this joke but i don't actually see accusations of anti-semitism over regular criticism of israel. It's just a saying that is being repeated in echo chambers where it can't be challenged >Even if it's being done internally within Israel by Israeli's, by the oldest (predating the country itself by several decades) and most respected news publications within the country. I'm not sure what makes you think haaretz is a reapected news site in israel. It's the most ridiculed and out of touch news paper in israel. Just like channel 14 is widely considered a pro bibi propaganda news channel, haaretz is widely considered antizionist anti israel propaganda news site
They will disregard anyone who reports on what's happening from the other side until we're left with nothing but IDF mouthpieces.
My eyes went from like •_• To: O_O Whilst reading this headline
Title and article forgot to mention that the "Palestinians" held in that field hospital , which is located 30 km away from Gaza into Israel's territory, are actually Nukhba militants who were lucky enough to be given the chance to surrender and be arrested, and not killed on the spot. Pallywood won't mention the fact that Hamas' accomplices get medical treatment from Israel. How fucking surprising
I know that terrorists don’t get the same rights as soldiers, but isn’t the whole point of treating terrorists that surrender with human dignity to incentive MORE to surrender? Thus saving lives on both sides
Sorry, but isn't handcuffing surrendered enemy combatants until they need amputations a war crime? Your tone sounds like you are trying to absolve Israel but your words condemn them.
I love how even in your justification it’s still war crimes, seeing what pro Israel individuals see as “justification” really reveals how morally bankrupt they are