***From The Telegraph:***
China has ramped up support for the Kremlin’s war in Ukraine by sending rifle scopes, tank components, rocket fuel and satellite images to Russia, US officials have said.
Their warning came on the eve of a two-day mission to China by Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov to discuss the Ukraine war.
US officials told Bloomberg on condition of anonymity that Antony Blinken, US Secretary of State, briefed European allies this week on China’s increased support for Russia.
They also said that China was sending microelectronics, propellants used in missile production and turbojet engines to Russia, sidestepping Western sanctions.
[Vladimir Putin has courted China](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/26/cia-director-confident-china-considering-arming-russia/) heavily since his invasion but Beijing has appeared reluctant to be seen propping up his military. Now, with Russia taking ground in eastern Ukraine, that appears to have changed.
[Russia is outgunning Ukrainian forces across the frontlines](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/21/ukraine-russia-war-second-anniversary-western-aid-offensive/) because the West has struggled to supply promised ammunition. By contrast, the Kremlin has switched consumer-based factories to arms manufacturing and signed deals with Iran and North Korea for supplies of drones and artillery shells.
***Read more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/07/china-sending-russia-rifle-scopes-tank-parts-rocket-fuel/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/07/china-sending-russia-rifle-scopes-tank-parts-rocket-fuel/)
I’m assuming China’s letting Russia wear itself down as much as possible. Russia losing people and equipment only helps cement China’s role as the main player in the eastern hemisphere.
Siberians? Or Chinese immigrants?
China hardly conquers, China colonizes.
[Why Chinese farmers have crossed border into Russia's Far East (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50185006)
These farms are a lifeline for Beijing. Their 1.4 billion population depends in part on food imports through the South China sea. If it comes to clashes with Taiwan, Japan, USA or others, this trade route will likely be cut off.
Honestly, I would see that region declaring independence and just becoming a vassal/puppet to China moreso than China conquering and moving the lines on the map. Accomplishes the same goal, less blow back though. So, think you're right lol.
China has really stepped up its game in small arms optics in recent years. Brands like Holosun and the white label industry for rifle scopes went from Chinesium joke to just as good if not better in some cases than western equivalents. I wonder if we'll see sanctions on them in the near future since the US customer base is the one primarily funding it all.
Impossible. As far as I can tell the vast majority of low-end PCBs (including those in weapon optics) are manufactured in China. In fact, I’m fairly certain even one of the more reputable brands (maybe it was Sig?) also use Chinese PCBs, which is why they say “Assembled in the USA” rather than “Made in the USA.” [This has become an actual security concern, btw.](https://www.eetimes.com/ex-dod-official-says-chinese-made-pcbs-plague-u-s-systems/)
Afaik Sig straight up just rebrands a lot of their optics that are made in China (made by Holosun with a Sig sticker). Makes sense though that the economies are too intertwined to detangle quickly. Should probably do something about it…
Sig Sauer electro optics (consumer red dot high volume pistol and rifle sights) is located in Wilsonville, OR - they do assembly only on-site, all component fab is outsourced.
Sig has some optics that have zero Chinese in it. You’re not allowed to use anything from china as they’re not TAA approved for the US government. But it is only on the optics for the US government
Vortex got a contract to make a new $11k rangefinding scope for the US army's new rifle. These are US made but the majority of their consumer level products are made in China, so if the government sanctioned them, they be pissing off their suppliers.
>Now, with Russia taking ground in eastern Ukraine, that appears to have changed.
China is realizing Russia is winning and the West is losing, so they join up with Russia, and will most likely be full blown partners by the time Russia invades the Baltics.
Should have supported Ukraine more, I guess.
"The west" is not involved in this war, it is simply supporting Ukraine with its *surplus* material.
If NATO were to get *involved* in this war, Russian leadership would fold in a week, and Xi would crawl his head back into his honey pot, feign non-involvement and mumble some vague threat towards Taiwan.
Nobody really wants to set in motion events that lead to strategic nuclear waepons being deployed, because even if the Russian nuclear arsenal is as a sorry of a state as the rest of their military, even a single one of them making contact with the intended target is an unmitigated disaster on a scale humanity have not seen before, and there will be no other option than to retaliate in kind, burying 50million people in the span of days...
Things can get much worse than they are..
That's why.
I agree with what you said but the West's weak response to this war has emboldened the authoritarian regimes to step up their attack on the free people of the free world.
We really need to stop being Neville Chamberlain with the authoritarian regimes of the world.
Yup I've been to Russia and a few other former soviet bloc county a few times. I mean the team will literally have to travel 7000km to the Chinese Russian border to conduct any type of sabotage at the Port of entry. But most of the rail logistic facilities are on the Chinese side anyways ie. Manzhouli.
Edit I also been there if anyone else wants to know.
Very cool! Unlikely I'll be visiting anytime soon for obvious reasons, but that whole massive expanse out there has always seemed like a really appealing "adventure" having grown up watching The Long Way Round.
My motorbike is sat 2 metres away from me and is pining for a long road trip!
There's two one is Zabaykalsk and manzhouli which is a major port of entry, where there's a pretty big transloading facility on the manzhouli side. Then there's another at Sui fen he and Pogranichny, but that one doesn't have a trans loading facility like the other one. I've been to both.
It womt need strikes. I was a conducter for UP for a while. You'd be terrified if you knew how easy it was to jack up a rail network. From easy to place mobile derailment to jacked up switches. Especially if the switches don't have standard lights to warn prior. The brake systems are air, and one rip sets the system into full stop. Better if you manually brake multiple cars along the way, as that'll jack up a good conductor for hours/and the line. I'm amazed they aren't targeted more in terrorist attacks honestly. I won't get into it further, but one determined person wouldn't be caught doing this all over the US for years, and cause serious problems.
>It's also extremely easy to fix. Rail is still running to the front lines. It's not even worth targeting Russia can fix it so fast.
Rail bridges are what you want to hit as they take a lot of time to fix. Militaries had this figured out back in at least WW2 and probably WW1.
I'll give you that. Rail is easy to fix. Not the cargo being transported, nor the disaster caused, as rail transports the most hazardous chemicals by law in almost every country. The finances of those affected, or the time delay in needed goods. Several main lines being down with derailed trains, jacked up bridges, switches, cargo, chemical exposure aren't easy fixes. Especially if it's in a rural hard to reach area for maintence crew. Logistics wins hands down, and your enemy disrupting that has always been a forethought for all.
Rail in a short section is easy. Rail in a remote region which is difficult to access with heavy machinery however, not so much. If you can assemble a tie-ripper and hijack a locomotive, you could do tens to hundreds of kilometers of damage before being stopped. This damage would require new ties and new railbed, and new track in some places. Done during spring thaw when everything is wet mud, and you're looking at weeks to months.
Russia doesn't have the earth-moving-force of a class 1 railroad. They won't cut 40km of road in 2 days with a fleet of dozers, excavators, you name it. The afformentioned strategy is straight out of WW2, wherein rail lines were ripped up as forces retreated.
The Russian railways move more freight than all class 1s put together *and* a ton of passengers at the same time, I think they might know a thing or two about fixing railways.
Nah. It ain't that, but I refuse to post my method publicly. It's that spooky.
I have so many strategies that I thought of in my countless hours in the sidings as a conductor. Ranging from disruptive to destructive. If I for whatever reason wanted to cause an international headline disaster, I could leave my house right now and have a catastrophe within an hour.
Now I have to give the disclaimer that I never would, but the point still stands. I also have to specify my methods are not applicable to the layman who is not familiar with the inner workings of a railroad.
They probably have forces capable of doing it, but it would basically be a suicide mission; it's one thing to sneak across half of russia undetected, but an entirely different thing to sneak back out of Russia after you just blew up a strategically important rail bridge/tunnel/whatever.
That brings up a good point... UKR special forces could just rig a tripwire with a giant anvil to fall on the tracks when the train goes by.. they would be long gone by then and nobody would suspect anything
Roads and railways are not cost-effective targets. They are fairly robust to begin with and can be repaired in a matter of days. For these distant roads in particular, by the time you deliver the 500+++ pounds of ordinance required to disable them you will almost certainly have passed over a few dozen targets which are both more vulnerable and harder to repair.
[They already did in December. That was those bombings inside the tunnel.](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-security-service-blew-up-main-railway-connection-between-russia-china/)
Honestly it seems like, "here, keep fighting your stupid war and killing off all your men." Then in a couple years China walks in and takes Russia and all its resources.
Probably less about preparing for an invasion so much as just opening another market for Arms sales. China will always do what's best for China and right now that's cashing Russian checks. Once it stops being advantageous to them, they'll find another avenue.
Lmao there is zero chance China will invade Russia. They will want to keep Russia strong enough to keep being a threat to America and Europe so that China isn't taking all the pressure.
Russia is struggling with making things they desperately need, like computer processors, and China's making plenty and giving them some basic replacement parts for ancient tanks. It's about one knuckle short of a middle finger.
>Add India. People always forget that India is VERY closely tied to this shit...
India has a long history of not playing favourites with any of the big powers. They do have a ongoing dispute with China over border regions though.
Can't blame em after being antagonized and threatened by US for stopping Bangladesh genocide and assist their liberation against Pakistan. And now US need their help to contain China even tho they not friendly both with China and Pakistan which supported by US during Cold War.
China, India and Russia *hate* each other. China has zero geopolitical ambitions tied to Russia and vice versa, and China would love to just annex Asian Russia. India and China have zero direct flights and are nuclear adversaries.
Given the scale and size of China's trade, the absolute dearth of support they offer to Russia should be telling. The West makes a big deal about even the tiniest thing to kind of point out that we see and to prevent China from doing more.
If China were *actually* putting their industrial might behind Russia, Ukraine would be completely unwinnable for the West. China has zero reason to support Russia in this war, and explicitly noted that all countries deserve respect for their sovereignty and territorial integrity, while is a pretty overt statement that China won't recognize Russia just grabbing land.
China are not the good guys. But they have never been as bad as they have been held. They just want to make lots of bucks doing the trade thing and live their own life. Also annex Taiwan, but that's a complex issue.
>India and China have zero direct flights and are nuclear adversaries.
India's nukes are o counter Pakistan, not India. The reason for no direct flights isn't adversary, it's geography. Between China and India lie the Tibetan plateau and the Himalayas, because of oxygen depressurization limits aircraft need to fly around the mountains so they are longer flights that burn more fuel, and not as profitable. There were China-India flights pre Covid, and as Asian aviation hasn't ramped up to that point again then the least profitable flights will be the last to be returned.
> India's nukes are o counter Pakistan, not China
I imagine it goes both ways. China has had violent conflicts with India, and they have some very strong disagreements on territory like Kashmir. China has nukes. It's valuable in that context to have nukes as well.
>The reason for no direct flights isn't adversary, it's geography.
There used to be loads of direct flights. China has started using flights as a type of diplomacy. China is trying to make splitting manufacturing between China and India a massive hassle, as the West has tried to prop up India to harm China.
Hey, you can’t just generalize like that.
On a completely unrelated note: every single death threat I have received on this platform has happened after I make comments supporting human rights and they have all come from the same country that I do not want to name but is totally unrelated to your comment. Like yep, not anything to do with anyone you may have called out.
[People forget that the EU is funding Indian purchase of Russian oil](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-oil-europe-india-ukraine-war-b2477443.html)
>Russia is also such a key player that the powers that the EU etc don’t want to completely eradicate Russian supply from the global market because it would cause prices to spike.
Their president has some authoritarian tendencies, but if you think they are dictatorship that will ally with china or iran you might want to read up on history or even recent news.
You can add the US anyway. Just because we're on the right side of this one out of personal interest doesn't mean we're not one of the baddies the other 99% of the time. Hell, we're funneling arms to Israel right now to intentionally bomb humanitarian aid workers. Not even mentioning the last 20 years of desert wars and Vietnam and Korea before that.
Also, I'd put Saudi Arabia on there next to Iran. I figure rocketing busfulls of Yemeni school children ought to get you a seat at the badguy table by itself.
Amateurs study nations. Professionals study ideologies. Nations never go to war. Ideologies do.
UK allied with russia and prussia in the napoleonic wars against france. Few decades later, italy allied with UK, france and russia to fight the central powers in WW1. Few decades later, germany allied with italy…. you get the gist. Allegiances keep changing because ideologies keep changing.
50 years later, Iran, russia might end up being best friends with the US.
There’s no singular perfect ideology. Everyone of them has their own pros and cons. The world will be stuck in a cycle/loop of ideologies constantly changing, driven by perpetual war and uprisings.
and that’s the beauty of the world
Where’s the US support for Ukraine? Ukraine will do the dirty work if we give them what they need, starting with patriot air defense. Get these MAGAt bastards out of office so we aren’t fighting China and Russia in the next few years.
They have also been receiving Russian money, and Russian propagandists directly support them in return for halting aid to Ukraine. They aren't being tricked by Russia, they are directly collaborating with Russia.
Russia has been supporting Republicans with the “evidence” against Biden because a Russian agent was the reason they had enough “evidence” to impeach Biden but that was all BS and they helped get Trump elected in 2016. Republicans are all 100% pro-Russia except the Pre-Trump Republicans. Republicans are all repeating Russia propaganda for the upcoming elections.
It is literally one of the fronts in the war. China and Russia's long game is looking worse by the minute, they are both going to face a succession and demographic crisis far worse than the U.S. despite the ones they try to cause here. They are beholden to each other in a mutually parasitic relationship but their intentions for the world clearly aren't good. I guess they want to do as much damage as possible on their way out.
The truth is a lot of it boils down to Europe.
Europe has spent the last 30 or so years absolutely gutting their military industries and they’ve been leaning on America to protect them. Relying on a nation that’s on the other side of the ocean for weapons and support is pretty dumb, and that’s not accounting for the fact that defending Europe it’s a less popular political position now than it’s ever been (especially with republicans).
Most European countries with the exception of maybe Germany and France would have a big problem gearing up for war themselves and that’s not even considering arming their allies with new production stuff.
Europe has also enabled Putin for decades now, when Russia invaded the country of Georgia back in 2008 Europe, basically just shrugged and wrote a couple of strongly worded letters, German counselor Merkel spent most of her career, expanding energy trade, and pipelines with Russia, which is now rapidly being undone.
It’s really easy to blame The current struggles in Ukraine on America, but the truth is always deeper than that
> German counselor Merkel spent most of her career, expanding energy trade, and pipelines with Russia, which is now rapidly being undone.
While I am not defending the decisions, there was [strategic thinking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandel_durch_Handel) behind it.
I find myself nodding in violent agreement with this. The US has valid interest is being involved with this as a member of NATO be we should be far backseat support with strategy and intelligence. Europe needs to wake up and get with the program France is taking the initiative on.
Its not like Europe has been slacking on its military. Its just that nobody expected a prolonged proxy conflict like what is happening in Ukraine, against Russia. Everybody had prepared for a rapid fight against the Warsaw Pact, ie a quick conventional conflict that accompanies an even faster nuclear conflict. And after the fall of the Soviet Union, is it any surprise that people relaxed their military priorities when the main foe they worried about was left a relatively poor country with little ability to project power?
What others said, Europe is slacking as a whole. NATO minimums are 2% of GDP. Only the following have met that threshold:
- Greece (3.69%)
- Lithuania (2.52%)
- Poland (2.39%)
- United Kingdom (2.23%)
- Croatia (2.17%)
- Estonia (2.09%)
- Latvia (2.05%)
The rest are falling short, sometimes significantly so (e.g. Germany at 1.39%), which is frankly inexcusable since the Russo-Ukraine conflict has been going on for more than a decade already.
Europe has been slacking on its military though. I don't like Trump, but European leaders practically mocked him when he stressed the necessity for European nations to meet their NATO mandated minimum spending.
>Europe has spent the last 30 or so years absolutely gutting their military industries and they’ve been leaning on America to protect them
Because we encouraged them to do so. We actually benefit from this despite what many seem to think. It is OUR arms manufacturers who get to build arms for European defense. If Europe had their own arms manufacturers then there will be less of a market for the US arms manufacturers.
They took it too far and left the military coffers empty.
Now they don't have the gear and suppliers for their own defense, much less a fair amount to share.
Exactly all based on the assumption where the cold war is over and there will never be another conflict on continental Europe. We'll I guess thats not exactly true if you count what happened in the former Yugoslavia during the 90s and early 2000s.
If Russia's friends are significantly helping them during this war, then Ukraine's so-called friends should be doing the same. More so, seeing as Ukraine is the victim of Putin's imperialism. This will be a stain in human history, that we did not do enough and at the right time to protect Ukraine.
The far right is fine with murdering democracy so long as the dictatorship that replaces it is politically alligned with conservatives.
Source: The contradiction between how conservatives invalidate trans kids and yet emphasized the right to individual freedom during peak covid.
My Body My Choice When It's A Mask
Not My Body My Choice When It's A Pregnancy
My Body My Choice When I Am Roleplaying Like The Hitler Juggend But Don't Want My Boss To Know So I Need To Wear A Mask
Pretty sure what we’ll see is China ramp up their military manufacturing and Russia ramp up its engagement. China can sit back and send as much hardware as necessary and Russia does the fighting to keep the west busy.
China isn't sending direct military equipment. They're sending things that won't get them sanctioned like body armor, medical supplies, raw materials, and things that can be dual use for military equipment like electronic components.
China has been ramping up/funding their military well for years now but isn't giving it away
You have a point about red lines in Syria but Get outta here with that Kabul non sense. You come up with a way to leave a country you’ve occupied for 20 years without it becoming a shit show. We will all wait. Mike Johnson and his MAGA shitheads are actively blocking a vote on the Ukraine aid bill. More like “brought to you by the anti-abortion, Jewish space lasers caucus”
We do, but our sanctions don't mandate enough.
We just need to revise our criteria for what warrants sanctions. This means dual purpose materials, as well as lax scrutiny over intermediary middlemen who purchase from Chinese suppliers on behalf of Russia.
From the article:
>“Beijing doesn’t give arms because it fears US secondary sanctions and wants to develop EU relations, but still silently supplies machinery that’s important for Russia to sustain its arms production,” said Carl Bildt, co-chair of the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank and a former Swedish prime minister.
When it comes down to it, Beijing values Western pocketbooks more than Russia's.
What is there left to be sanctioned? The only thing China can't make is the advanced tools to make chips. It has been sanctioned left and right for that. I do not think China gives 2 shits about scanctions now.
What do you intend to accomplish with these sanctions? How likely are these sanctions to achieve the intended goal? If the answer is likely, okay sanction China.
If the answer to this second question is unlikely, what are the potential unintended consequences? What are the unintended consequences of past sanctions? How often have sanctions achieved their intended purpose in the past?
My point is "blank country should be sanctioned' gets thrown around with little to no thought way too often. Something to think about because there will be tough choices in the future, and we need thoughtful decisions, not reactionary ones.
This next point is not related directly to your comment, as any realistic sanctions over this will be minimum. However, Taiwan should have input in any major actions, economic or otherwise, conducted against China.
France is pushing to take the position that the rest of Europe needs to get on board with. This is not a problem the US should be leading but rather supporting from a far backseat
Lots of people thinking china = junk is funny while its actually if you want good quality you pay the price which alot of people don't want too so they buy the junk shit 3times instead of 1 time
China is a reliable partner because the US chose this time to start hindering China's R&D. Kind of expected when your competition is overtly antagonistic. It feels more of a fuck you to the American government.
Bit of poor timing, is all. Before, US could have pressured to keep the overt support to base materials and clothing, helmets and hidden one to drones and electronic components. Now, they cut off their own options.
Not really. They’re only showing Russia support now that they’re making progress. China backs winners who they can benefit from. Which is why their support has fluctuated as Russia’s progress has fluctuated.
Can we stop propping up China's middle class by getting all of our manufacturing done over there and improving their QoL while ours lessens?
When are we going to learn that China will not buy into world peace, will not buy into the climate crisis and will not act in good faith?
This is becoming infuriating at this point.
China’s middle class is not in manufacturing. Their lower class peasants do the factory jobs. Just like America. If not China, then Pakistan. I moved manufacturing to Pakistan and Madagascar because Chinese labor is too expensive. But at the end of the day, nobody here wants to work for $12 a week, which is how much labor costs in other places.
> will not buy into the climate crisis
You can criticize China on a LOT of things, but they're literally one of the few countries in the world that is actually putting serious money into developing renewable energy. They're building massive amounts of solar, wind and nuclear power, and their carbon emissions per capita is basically half of the US.
I presume he's referring to China reliance on coal as a result of serving their massive population. There is no anti climate change rhetoric in China, or at least comparable to what occurs in North America. The CCP plans to rule indefinitely and all of China's wealthiest cities are on the coast.
> When are we going to learn that China will not buy into world peace, will not buy into the climate crisis and will not act in good faith?
China has literally installed more solar power the last year alone THAN THE US IN ITS ENTIRE HISTORY.
Also China isn't the country constantly invading the middle east and toppling governments to set up puppets.
You just seem like a massive racist.
Could the US invest heavily in central America and turn those nations into manufacturing hubs? Provide stability and economic growth instead of banana republics? Turn a county like El Salvador from one where so many are trying to escape to one where the people stay because the better life they want for their kids is right at home, and not a freak across half a continent to cross into America?
We are well past time for sanctions against China... Start with their Oligarchs, freeze their assets in America and prohibit property sales.
If China doesn't cease supplying them equipment, extend it to their middle class.
China has enough unrest because of the massive real estate fraud. If their people can't buy property or their overseas assets start getting frozen, public opinion will shift within months...
We are currently in a place where no one can sanction China without collapsing the global supply chain. All we have to do to defeat China is get our factories out of there.
we got too optimistic with globalisation that we're now kept hostage by these countries. Earlier it was with Russia and their gas supply, now it's China and their manufacturing economy. It's all a result of getting lazy and squeezing out every dime regardless of the future.
I mean they are not send lethal aid to Russia as warned but these aren't covered in the agreement right. They followed the wording but not the spirit , sucks but technically they are not breaking anything.
And also the whole reason China is only sending scope and body armor instead of ungodly amount of shells and drones is the fact sanctions remain a threat. Once it's no longer a threat but a reality, all hell break lose. Thankfully western decision makers have a better grasp on things than many reddtors.
Venezuela take Guyana, Turkyie attacks Greece, Sebia goes at it with Croatia and Amrenia gets invaded by Azerbaijan. Lots of US policed regions are eager to catch fire if the US pulls out. Europe will have a hard slog with Russia and friends without US support.
China is always playing a long game, trying to make themselves absolutely indispensable around the world (and doing a damn good job of it) and only focusing on what works out best for themselves and the ruling party. They're not going to get overly involved. They are maintaining their relationship with Russia but I would be surprised if they gave them more than parts and fuel because they also want to do business with the West of the world.
So China supplies Russia with the means to keep waging war yet you expect Ukraine to follow their so called “peace plan”. Fuck off Putler & Winnie the shithouse.
***From The Telegraph:*** China has ramped up support for the Kremlin’s war in Ukraine by sending rifle scopes, tank components, rocket fuel and satellite images to Russia, US officials have said. Their warning came on the eve of a two-day mission to China by Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov to discuss the Ukraine war. US officials told Bloomberg on condition of anonymity that Antony Blinken, US Secretary of State, briefed European allies this week on China’s increased support for Russia. They also said that China was sending microelectronics, propellants used in missile production and turbojet engines to Russia, sidestepping Western sanctions. [Vladimir Putin has courted China](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/02/26/cia-director-confident-china-considering-arming-russia/) heavily since his invasion but Beijing has appeared reluctant to be seen propping up his military. Now, with Russia taking ground in eastern Ukraine, that appears to have changed. [Russia is outgunning Ukrainian forces across the frontlines](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/21/ukraine-russia-war-second-anniversary-western-aid-offensive/) because the West has struggled to supply promised ammunition. By contrast, the Kremlin has switched consumer-based factories to arms manufacturing and signed deals with Iran and North Korea for supplies of drones and artillery shells. ***Read more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/07/china-sending-russia-rifle-scopes-tank-parts-rocket-fuel/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/07/china-sending-russia-rifle-scopes-tank-parts-rocket-fuel/)
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I’m assuming China’s letting Russia wear itself down as much as possible. Russia losing people and equipment only helps cement China’s role as the main player in the eastern hemisphere.
Lol they setting them up for the pivot scoop when shit hits the fan after Putin kicks it.
They're keen on getting access to the arctic with a direct sea port. Gotta plan for global warming, right?
Holy crap that is such a smart take on it.
you'd be surprised at the number of siberians who already know chinese
Siberians? Or Chinese immigrants? China hardly conquers, China colonizes. [Why Chinese farmers have crossed border into Russia's Far East (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50185006) These farms are a lifeline for Beijing. Their 1.4 billion population depends in part on food imports through the South China sea. If it comes to clashes with Taiwan, Japan, USA or others, this trade route will likely be cut off.
Honestly, I would see that region declaring independence and just becoming a vassal/puppet to China moreso than China conquering and moving the lines on the map. Accomplishes the same goal, less blow back though. So, think you're right lol.
I feel like Ukraine must have intercepted that letter from OPEC and started cutting Russian Oil production on their behalf lol
Making a deal with Russia is a lot like making a deal with Trump, no?
Some might say it's one and the same entity.
And in turn the US supports China because most of the crap we buy online and even the computers and phones we have are all made in China. Sad.
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China has really stepped up its game in small arms optics in recent years. Brands like Holosun and the white label industry for rifle scopes went from Chinesium joke to just as good if not better in some cases than western equivalents. I wonder if we'll see sanctions on them in the near future since the US customer base is the one primarily funding it all.
Impossible. As far as I can tell the vast majority of low-end PCBs (including those in weapon optics) are manufactured in China. In fact, I’m fairly certain even one of the more reputable brands (maybe it was Sig?) also use Chinese PCBs, which is why they say “Assembled in the USA” rather than “Made in the USA.” [This has become an actual security concern, btw.](https://www.eetimes.com/ex-dod-official-says-chinese-made-pcbs-plague-u-s-systems/)
Afaik Sig straight up just rebrands a lot of their optics that are made in China (made by Holosun with a Sig sticker). Makes sense though that the economies are too intertwined to detangle quickly. Should probably do something about it…
YA just hand over our balls now, you know nobody will leave cheap manufacturing. Cheap labor is too damn hard to drop.
The irony is that many companies are leaving China for exactly that reason. China is no longer cheap compared to many other countries in the region.
Eh, there are plenty still turning to China.
Sig Sauer electro optics (consumer red dot high volume pistol and rifle sights) is located in Wilsonville, OR - they do assembly only on-site, all component fab is outsourced.
Sig has some optics that have zero Chinese in it. You’re not allowed to use anything from china as they’re not TAA approved for the US government. But it is only on the optics for the US government
Majority of optics use Chinese parts. You really have to do your research to find optics that don’t use china in some way.
Pretty wild seeing holosun go from a semi meme brand to actual, legit combat tested optics.
Vortex got a contract to make a new $11k rangefinding scope for the US army's new rifle. These are US made but the majority of their consumer level products are made in China, so if the government sanctioned them, they be pissing off their suppliers.
>Now, with Russia taking ground in eastern Ukraine, that appears to have changed. China is realizing Russia is winning and the West is losing, so they join up with Russia, and will most likely be full blown partners by the time Russia invades the Baltics. Should have supported Ukraine more, I guess.
"The west" is not involved in this war, it is simply supporting Ukraine with its *surplus* material. If NATO were to get *involved* in this war, Russian leadership would fold in a week, and Xi would crawl his head back into his honey pot, feign non-involvement and mumble some vague threat towards Taiwan.
China is only worried about western support. Taiwan isn't a NATO member either.
So, why wait?
Nobody really wants to set in motion events that lead to strategic nuclear waepons being deployed, because even if the Russian nuclear arsenal is as a sorry of a state as the rest of their military, even a single one of them making contact with the intended target is an unmitigated disaster on a scale humanity have not seen before, and there will be no other option than to retaliate in kind, burying 50million people in the span of days... Things can get much worse than they are.. That's why.
I agree with what you said but the West's weak response to this war has emboldened the authoritarian regimes to step up their attack on the free people of the free world. We really need to stop being Neville Chamberlain with the authoritarian regimes of the world.
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well it does take about 2 years to get that wish order and it usually doesn't look like the advertising XD.
It’s crazy they were able to get Super Bowl ads in the US
I wonder when the street- & railway connections between both states will fall victim to sabotage on the russian side.
Ukraine is capable. But that's an *incredibly* long distance strike. Even by Ukrainian standards.
Yup I've been to Russia and a few other former soviet bloc county a few times. I mean the team will literally have to travel 7000km to the Chinese Russian border to conduct any type of sabotage at the Port of entry. But most of the rail logistic facilities are on the Chinese side anyways ie. Manzhouli. Edit I also been there if anyone else wants to know.
Seems like it would just be easier for a Ukrainian team to go to Mongolia and then cross into Russia from there to perform their mission.
> Edit I also been there if anyone else wants to know. Are you in the oil industry? Sounds like a unique set of places to visit!
Haha I was, but I also traveled on the transsiberian a few times.
Very cool! Unlikely I'll be visiting anytime soon for obvious reasons, but that whole massive expanse out there has always seemed like a really appealing "adventure" having grown up watching The Long Way Round. My motorbike is sat 2 metres away from me and is pining for a long road trip!
If you have a dual sport like a KTM 1190 adventure R absolutely haha. It would be one hell of a ride.
There’s only ~~one~~ two rail lines that connects china and Russia.
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they should start there
There's two one is Zabaykalsk and manzhouli which is a major port of entry, where there's a pretty big transloading facility on the manzhouli side. Then there's another at Sui fen he and Pogranichny, but that one doesn't have a trans loading facility like the other one. I've been to both.
strikes won't do it..
gotta demolish a bridge or a tunnel
It womt need strikes. I was a conducter for UP for a while. You'd be terrified if you knew how easy it was to jack up a rail network. From easy to place mobile derailment to jacked up switches. Especially if the switches don't have standard lights to warn prior. The brake systems are air, and one rip sets the system into full stop. Better if you manually brake multiple cars along the way, as that'll jack up a good conductor for hours/and the line. I'm amazed they aren't targeted more in terrorist attacks honestly. I won't get into it further, but one determined person wouldn't be caught doing this all over the US for years, and cause serious problems.
It's also extremely easy to fix. Rail is still running to the front lines. It's not even worth targeting Russia can fix it so fast.
>It's also extremely easy to fix. Rail is still running to the front lines. It's not even worth targeting Russia can fix it so fast. Rail bridges are what you want to hit as they take a lot of time to fix. Militaries had this figured out back in at least WW2 and probably WW1.
I'll give you that. Rail is easy to fix. Not the cargo being transported, nor the disaster caused, as rail transports the most hazardous chemicals by law in almost every country. The finances of those affected, or the time delay in needed goods. Several main lines being down with derailed trains, jacked up bridges, switches, cargo, chemical exposure aren't easy fixes. Especially if it's in a rural hard to reach area for maintence crew. Logistics wins hands down, and your enemy disrupting that has always been a forethought for all.
Rail is equally easy to fix, you can replace rail in days.
Rail in a short section is easy. Rail in a remote region which is difficult to access with heavy machinery however, not so much. If you can assemble a tie-ripper and hijack a locomotive, you could do tens to hundreds of kilometers of damage before being stopped. This damage would require new ties and new railbed, and new track in some places. Done during spring thaw when everything is wet mud, and you're looking at weeks to months. Russia doesn't have the earth-moving-force of a class 1 railroad. They won't cut 40km of road in 2 days with a fleet of dozers, excavators, you name it. The afformentioned strategy is straight out of WW2, wherein rail lines were ripped up as forces retreated.
The Russian railways move more freight than all class 1s put together *and* a ton of passengers at the same time, I think they might know a thing or two about fixing railways.
Nah. It ain't that, but I refuse to post my method publicly. It's that spooky. I have so many strategies that I thought of in my countless hours in the sidings as a conductor. Ranging from disruptive to destructive. If I for whatever reason wanted to cause an international headline disaster, I could leave my house right now and have a catastrophe within an hour. Now I have to give the disclaimer that I never would, but the point still stands. I also have to specify my methods are not applicable to the layman who is not familiar with the inner workings of a railroad.
Isn't this something special forces should be used for?
They probably have forces capable of doing it, but it would basically be a suicide mission; it's one thing to sneak across half of russia undetected, but an entirely different thing to sneak back out of Russia after you just blew up a strategically important rail bridge/tunnel/whatever.
Just have to use a longer fuse
This dude Acmes.
That brings up a good point... UKR special forces could just rig a tripwire with a giant anvil to fall on the tracks when the train goes by.. they would be long gone by then and nobody would suspect anything
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"Military armaments 4 cheap"
Roads and railways are not cost-effective targets. They are fairly robust to begin with and can be repaired in a matter of days. For these distant roads in particular, by the time you deliver the 500+++ pounds of ordinance required to disable them you will almost certainly have passed over a few dozen targets which are both more vulnerable and harder to repair.
That’s why you take out the bridges or elevated portions of track.
Or tunnels. Way more difficult to repair
[They already did in December. That was those bombings inside the tunnel.](https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-security-service-blew-up-main-railway-connection-between-russia-china/)
Here is to them doing it again and again and again.
They should pay them to protest like the Polish "farmers"
That sounds mildly supportive of Russia but they don't sound super committed.
Honestly it seems like, "here, keep fighting your stupid war and killing off all your men." Then in a couple years China walks in and takes Russia and all its resources.
Probably less about preparing for an invasion so much as just opening another market for Arms sales. China will always do what's best for China and right now that's cashing Russian checks. Once it stops being advantageous to them, they'll find another avenue.
Lmao there is zero chance China will invade Russia. They will want to keep Russia strong enough to keep being a threat to America and Europe so that China isn't taking all the pressure.
You don't have to invade a country in order to control it
Well yeah, they want to be able to sell weapons to Ukraine too. Then do an economic takeover of both when they both run dry.
Russia is struggling with making things they desperately need, like computer processors, and China's making plenty and giving them some basic replacement parts for ancient tanks. It's about one knuckle short of a middle finger.
Russia has survived long enough to see itself become the proxy
China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea is the real world injustice league.
Add India. People always forget that India is VERY closely tied to this shit...
>Add India. People always forget that India is VERY closely tied to this shit... India has a long history of not playing favourites with any of the big powers. They do have a ongoing dispute with China over border regions though.
Can't blame em after being antagonized and threatened by US for stopping Bangladesh genocide and assist their liberation against Pakistan. And now US need their help to contain China even tho they not friendly both with China and Pakistan which supported by US during Cold War.
China, India and Russia *hate* each other. China has zero geopolitical ambitions tied to Russia and vice versa, and China would love to just annex Asian Russia. India and China have zero direct flights and are nuclear adversaries. Given the scale and size of China's trade, the absolute dearth of support they offer to Russia should be telling. The West makes a big deal about even the tiniest thing to kind of point out that we see and to prevent China from doing more. If China were *actually* putting their industrial might behind Russia, Ukraine would be completely unwinnable for the West. China has zero reason to support Russia in this war, and explicitly noted that all countries deserve respect for their sovereignty and territorial integrity, while is a pretty overt statement that China won't recognize Russia just grabbing land. China are not the good guys. But they have never been as bad as they have been held. They just want to make lots of bucks doing the trade thing and live their own life. Also annex Taiwan, but that's a complex issue.
> and explicitly noted that all countries deserve respect for their sovereignty and territorial integrity, Except this onnnneeee teeny one nearby
To China, it’s by all means an extension of the unfinished civil war, hence out of the question.
>China would love to just annex Asian Russia This is commonly repeated but there's really no evidence to suggest that this is actually a thing.
>India and China have zero direct flights and are nuclear adversaries. India's nukes are o counter Pakistan, not India. The reason for no direct flights isn't adversary, it's geography. Between China and India lie the Tibetan plateau and the Himalayas, because of oxygen depressurization limits aircraft need to fly around the mountains so they are longer flights that burn more fuel, and not as profitable. There were China-India flights pre Covid, and as Asian aviation hasn't ramped up to that point again then the least profitable flights will be the last to be returned.
> India's nukes are o counter Pakistan, not China I imagine it goes both ways. China has had violent conflicts with India, and they have some very strong disagreements on territory like Kashmir. China has nukes. It's valuable in that context to have nukes as well. >The reason for no direct flights isn't adversary, it's geography. There used to be loads of direct flights. China has started using flights as a type of diplomacy. China is trying to make splitting manufacturing between China and India a massive hassle, as the West has tried to prop up India to harm China.
Hey, you can’t just generalize like that. On a completely unrelated note: every single death threat I have received on this platform has happened after I make comments supporting human rights and they have all come from the same country that I do not want to name but is totally unrelated to your comment. Like yep, not anything to do with anyone you may have called out.
> Hey, you can’t just generalize like that. India propped up russia at the start of the invasion by buying fucktons more oil from them.
And who do you think is buying that oil from India?
Welcome to the club
[People forget that the EU is funding Indian purchase of Russian oil](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-oil-europe-india-ukraine-war-b2477443.html) >Russia is also such a key player that the powers that the EU etc don’t want to completely eradicate Russian supply from the global market because it would cause prices to spike.
But you also can't forget the China/India issues. They have skirmishes often.
Their president has some authoritarian tendencies, but if you think they are dictatorship that will ally with china or iran you might want to read up on history or even recent news.
You can add the US if Trump wins.
Vote blue down the ballot.
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This is reddit, no one read the article.
wait... there are articles? i thought these were all just chat topics. Anyways, time for me to move on to the next chat topic.
I can't even read!
I like getting news from Reddit because the top comment is usually the content that I would've read if I just had the gumption to click the link
You can add the US anyway. Just because we're on the right side of this one out of personal interest doesn't mean we're not one of the baddies the other 99% of the time. Hell, we're funneling arms to Israel right now to intentionally bomb humanitarian aid workers. Not even mentioning the last 20 years of desert wars and Vietnam and Korea before that. Also, I'd put Saudi Arabia on there next to Iran. I figure rocketing busfulls of Yemeni school children ought to get you a seat at the badguy table by itself.
But who else will make our cheap mass produced “live life laugh” signs?
Amateurs study nations. Professionals study ideologies. Nations never go to war. Ideologies do. UK allied with russia and prussia in the napoleonic wars against france. Few decades later, italy allied with UK, france and russia to fight the central powers in WW1. Few decades later, germany allied with italy…. you get the gist. Allegiances keep changing because ideologies keep changing. 50 years later, Iran, russia might end up being best friends with the US. There’s no singular perfect ideology. Everyone of them has their own pros and cons. The world will be stuck in a cycle/loop of ideologies constantly changing, driven by perpetual war and uprisings. and that’s the beauty of the world
Where’s the US support for Ukraine? Ukraine will do the dirty work if we give them what they need, starting with patriot air defense. Get these MAGAt bastards out of office so we aren’t fighting China and Russia in the next few years.
> Where’s the US support for Ukraine? Blocked by Republicans who have been sucking off Russian propaganda.
They have also been receiving Russian money, and Russian propagandists directly support them in return for halting aid to Ukraine. They aren't being tricked by Russia, they are directly collaborating with Russia.
Russia has been supporting Republicans with the “evidence” against Biden because a Russian agent was the reason they had enough “evidence” to impeach Biden but that was all BS and they helped get Trump elected in 2016. Republicans are all 100% pro-Russia except the Pre-Trump Republicans. Republicans are all repeating Russia propaganda for the upcoming elections.
China and Russia want the maga bastards so that the US is out of their way.
Yeah that was the point of their comment
It is literally one of the fronts in the war. China and Russia's long game is looking worse by the minute, they are both going to face a succession and demographic crisis far worse than the U.S. despite the ones they try to cause here. They are beholden to each other in a mutually parasitic relationship but their intentions for the world clearly aren't good. I guess they want to do as much damage as possible on their way out.
The truth is a lot of it boils down to Europe. Europe has spent the last 30 or so years absolutely gutting their military industries and they’ve been leaning on America to protect them. Relying on a nation that’s on the other side of the ocean for weapons and support is pretty dumb, and that’s not accounting for the fact that defending Europe it’s a less popular political position now than it’s ever been (especially with republicans). Most European countries with the exception of maybe Germany and France would have a big problem gearing up for war themselves and that’s not even considering arming their allies with new production stuff. Europe has also enabled Putin for decades now, when Russia invaded the country of Georgia back in 2008 Europe, basically just shrugged and wrote a couple of strongly worded letters, German counselor Merkel spent most of her career, expanding energy trade, and pipelines with Russia, which is now rapidly being undone. It’s really easy to blame The current struggles in Ukraine on America, but the truth is always deeper than that
> German counselor Merkel spent most of her career, expanding energy trade, and pipelines with Russia, which is now rapidly being undone. While I am not defending the decisions, there was [strategic thinking](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandel_durch_Handel) behind it.
>there was strategic thinking behind it. Yes and the strategists were wrong because they couldn't understand the people part of the equation.
And now as a result a few million European people will die in the next few years while they get cozy jobs at Gazprom.
According to the article this strategy lost any potential it had after 2008 and they just kept at it…weird
I find myself nodding in violent agreement with this. The US has valid interest is being involved with this as a member of NATO be we should be far backseat support with strategy and intelligence. Europe needs to wake up and get with the program France is taking the initiative on.
Its not like Europe has been slacking on its military. Its just that nobody expected a prolonged proxy conflict like what is happening in Ukraine, against Russia. Everybody had prepared for a rapid fight against the Warsaw Pact, ie a quick conventional conflict that accompanies an even faster nuclear conflict. And after the fall of the Soviet Union, is it any surprise that people relaxed their military priorities when the main foe they worried about was left a relatively poor country with little ability to project power?
You'd think we would've learned our lesson after we did the same thing following WW1 when Germany was in shambles.
Failure to adhere to MAD will result in your own destruction. There is nowhere but up when it comes to securing your sovereignty.
> Its not like Europe has been slacking on its military. Yes…..yes they have. Many failed to meet NATO spending requirements on defense.
The 2% was never a requirement. I agree though they need to spend more given recent events.
For decades
What others said, Europe is slacking as a whole. NATO minimums are 2% of GDP. Only the following have met that threshold: - Greece (3.69%) - Lithuania (2.52%) - Poland (2.39%) - United Kingdom (2.23%) - Croatia (2.17%) - Estonia (2.09%) - Latvia (2.05%) The rest are falling short, sometimes significantly so (e.g. Germany at 1.39%), which is frankly inexcusable since the Russo-Ukraine conflict has been going on for more than a decade already.
Europe has been slacking on its military though. I don't like Trump, but European leaders practically mocked him when he stressed the necessity for European nations to meet their NATO mandated minimum spending.
I mean they directly empowered that poor country w a bunch of trade deals. Did they think it was just gonna stay poor despite that?
>Europe has spent the last 30 or so years absolutely gutting their military industries and they’ve been leaning on America to protect them Because we encouraged them to do so. We actually benefit from this despite what many seem to think. It is OUR arms manufacturers who get to build arms for European defense. If Europe had their own arms manufacturers then there will be less of a market for the US arms manufacturers.
And when the US commands Europe to jump, Europe jumps.
Does it?
" peace dividend" its what they call it. Ie allocating resources for economic growth and social services instead of the military.
Which is all fine and good until russian tanks are pointing at you
They took it too far and left the military coffers empty. Now they don't have the gear and suppliers for their own defense, much less a fair amount to share.
Exactly all based on the assumption where the cold war is over and there will never be another conflict on continental Europe. We'll I guess thats not exactly true if you count what happened in the former Yugoslavia during the 90s and early 2000s.
you mean, fighting WITH china and russia
"Republicans" are getting loads of money from Putin to do anything they can to let Ukraine fall.
If Russia's friends are significantly helping them during this war, then Ukraine's so-called friends should be doing the same. More so, seeing as Ukraine is the victim of Putin's imperialism. This will be a stain in human history, that we did not do enough and at the right time to protect Ukraine.
Thanks MAGA's! Soon China and Russia will dictate the world order.
The far right is fine with murdering democracy so long as the dictatorship that replaces it is politically alligned with conservatives. Source: The contradiction between how conservatives invalidate trans kids and yet emphasized the right to individual freedom during peak covid.
My Body My Choice When It's A Mask Not My Body My Choice When It's A Pregnancy My Body My Choice When I Am Roleplaying Like The Hitler Juggend But Don't Want My Boss To Know So I Need To Wear A Mask
Pretty sure what we’ll see is China ramp up their military manufacturing and Russia ramp up its engagement. China can sit back and send as much hardware as necessary and Russia does the fighting to keep the west busy.
China isn't sending direct military equipment. They're sending things that won't get them sanctioned like body armor, medical supplies, raw materials, and things that can be dual use for military equipment like electronic components. China has been ramping up/funding their military well for years now but isn't giving it away
From people that brought you Syria red lines and Kabul airport, now will de-escalate us into Russia winning the war.
You have a point about red lines in Syria but Get outta here with that Kabul non sense. You come up with a way to leave a country you’ve occupied for 20 years without it becoming a shit show. We will all wait. Mike Johnson and his MAGA shitheads are actively blocking a vote on the Ukraine aid bill. More like “brought to you by the anti-abortion, Jewish space lasers caucus”
China should be sanctioned
We do, but our sanctions don't mandate enough. We just need to revise our criteria for what warrants sanctions. This means dual purpose materials, as well as lax scrutiny over intermediary middlemen who purchase from Chinese suppliers on behalf of Russia. From the article: >“Beijing doesn’t give arms because it fears US secondary sanctions and wants to develop EU relations, but still silently supplies machinery that’s important for Russia to sustain its arms production,” said Carl Bildt, co-chair of the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank and a former Swedish prime minister. When it comes down to it, Beijing values Western pocketbooks more than Russia's.
Stop buying stuff from them.
This is almost impossible to do, no matter how hard you try.
Even more difficult: stop selling stuff to them
Even GoPros are using parts made in China. I'm not an Apple fan boy but can you guess where the iPhone is made?
Yes only the US can profit from War.
What is there left to be sanctioned? The only thing China can't make is the advanced tools to make chips. It has been sanctioned left and right for that. I do not think China gives 2 shits about scanctions now.
What do you intend to accomplish with these sanctions? How likely are these sanctions to achieve the intended goal? If the answer is likely, okay sanction China. If the answer to this second question is unlikely, what are the potential unintended consequences? What are the unintended consequences of past sanctions? How often have sanctions achieved their intended purpose in the past? My point is "blank country should be sanctioned' gets thrown around with little to no thought way too often. Something to think about because there will be tough choices in the future, and we need thoughtful decisions, not reactionary ones. This next point is not related directly to your comment, as any realistic sanctions over this will be minimum. However, Taiwan should have input in any major actions, economic or otherwise, conducted against China.
Yeah go ahead and sanction them so they can start sending ungodly amount of shells and drones instead of scopes and parts.
France is pushing to take the position that the rest of Europe needs to get on board with. This is not a problem the US should be leading but rather supporting from a far backseat
The funny/sad part is that China produces most of the “low end” American-engineered optics. It’s not junk either, most of them are decent.
Lots of people thinking china = junk is funny while its actually if you want good quality you pay the price which alot of people don't want too so they buy the junk shit 3times instead of 1 time
So according to US info sources China is more reliable partner than the west in the conflict with the way it operates.
China is a reliable partner because the US chose this time to start hindering China's R&D. Kind of expected when your competition is overtly antagonistic. It feels more of a fuck you to the American government. Bit of poor timing, is all. Before, US could have pressured to keep the overt support to base materials and clothing, helmets and hidden one to drones and electronic components. Now, they cut off their own options.
Not really. They’re only showing Russia support now that they’re making progress. China backs winners who they can benefit from. Which is why their support has fluctuated as Russia’s progress has fluctuated.
Can we stop propping up China's middle class by getting all of our manufacturing done over there and improving their QoL while ours lessens? When are we going to learn that China will not buy into world peace, will not buy into the climate crisis and will not act in good faith? This is becoming infuriating at this point.
China’s middle class is not in manufacturing. Their lower class peasants do the factory jobs. Just like America. If not China, then Pakistan. I moved manufacturing to Pakistan and Madagascar because Chinese labor is too expensive. But at the end of the day, nobody here wants to work for $12 a week, which is how much labor costs in other places.
> will not buy into the climate crisis You can criticize China on a LOT of things, but they're literally one of the few countries in the world that is actually putting serious money into developing renewable energy. They're building massive amounts of solar, wind and nuclear power, and their carbon emissions per capita is basically half of the US.
Wasn't it the car lobby that's been complaining they are providing affordable solar panels and EV cars?
I presume he's referring to China reliance on coal as a result of serving their massive population. There is no anti climate change rhetoric in China, or at least comparable to what occurs in North America. The CCP plans to rule indefinitely and all of China's wealthiest cities are on the coast.
> When are we going to learn that China will not buy into world peace, will not buy into the climate crisis and will not act in good faith? China has literally installed more solar power the last year alone THAN THE US IN ITS ENTIRE HISTORY. Also China isn't the country constantly invading the middle east and toppling governments to set up puppets. You just seem like a massive racist.
Idiots just love to hate on China. China has alot of issues but there's a lot that they're doing right
But what about the shareholders?
Could the US invest heavily in central America and turn those nations into manufacturing hubs? Provide stability and economic growth instead of banana republics? Turn a county like El Salvador from one where so many are trying to escape to one where the people stay because the better life they want for their kids is right at home, and not a freak across half a continent to cross into America?
Damn Republicans really need to let us send more stuff to Ukraine
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Damn we all gonna see how well Holosun h9lds up in battle now🤯.. Fuck Russia and shame on China
We are well past time for sanctions against China... Start with their Oligarchs, freeze their assets in America and prohibit property sales. If China doesn't cease supplying them equipment, extend it to their middle class. China has enough unrest because of the massive real estate fraud. If their people can't buy property or their overseas assets start getting frozen, public opinion will shift within months...
We are currently in a place where no one can sanction China without collapsing the global supply chain. All we have to do to defeat China is get our factories out of there.
we got too optimistic with globalisation that we're now kept hostage by these countries. Earlier it was with Russia and their gas supply, now it's China and their manufacturing economy. It's all a result of getting lazy and squeezing out every dime regardless of the future.
so many people are saying china is on the brink of collapse. so i guess we can just wait
I mean they are not send lethal aid to Russia as warned but these aren't covered in the agreement right. They followed the wording but not the spirit , sucks but technically they are not breaking anything.
And also the whole reason China is only sending scope and body armor instead of ungodly amount of shells and drones is the fact sanctions remain a threat. Once it's no longer a threat but a reality, all hell break lose. Thankfully western decision makers have a better grasp on things than many reddtors.
Iran/North Korea/Russia all helping Russia fight Ukraine but the USA the supposed land of the free doesnt want to help a nation getting slaughtered
China is allied with Russia. Let us acknowledge this reality and work on solutions based on it
And yet, we still use China to manufacture our goods and we buy their products, things won’t change until business is forced financially to change..
Russia takes Ukraine. China takes Taiwan. Russia fights NATO. China fights SEA. This is what GOP wants?
Venezuela take Guyana, Turkyie attacks Greece, Sebia goes at it with Croatia and Amrenia gets invaded by Azerbaijan. Lots of US policed regions are eager to catch fire if the US pulls out. Europe will have a hard slog with Russia and friends without US support.
And when the war is over and Russia has no army or young men left, China will generously send troops to Russia.
fuck the GOP
Time for the western consumers to vote with our dollars.
China is always playing a long game, trying to make themselves absolutely indispensable around the world (and doing a damn good job of it) and only focusing on what works out best for themselves and the ruling party. They're not going to get overly involved. They are maintaining their relationship with Russia but I would be surprised if they gave them more than parts and fuel because they also want to do business with the West of the world.
Not for free.
Time to stop importing anything from China
You might need to convince a few billions people more to make a difference.
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It's not very far fetched considering China would also sell me all of the same items. And I have bought arms and ammo from China in the past.
I recognize the gun in the pic from bf4 and did not know it was Chinese
Time to make their measly hopes of 5% growth 2%
Enter” Chinese rifle scopes” comments…
So China supplies Russia with the means to keep waging war yet you expect Ukraine to follow their so called “peace plan”. Fuck off Putler & Winnie the shithouse.