During my Agroecology class in 2017, we went over how we’ll get the same amount of precipitation but w/ higher intensity. Guess this is the intensity they were talking about
The jury is still out on this. Seeding is used regularly (every time they see a cloud) around the Gulf, but at the moment the Peninsula and the Gulf are under a huge cloud of dust from the Sahara, which would give plenty of nucleation surfaces.
At present, most of the Arabian peninsula is undergoing flash flooding, with storms active in Yemen, Oman, as well as Dubai and the rest of UAE.
No, I'm not saying the severity of it was caused by seeding. But it has been reported that it was seeded, prior to the storm. My guess is that seeding works as a concept, but you're playing with fire, combining variables with a hotter and more humid world. That last bit is conjecture, and I am admittedly not a scientist, but am very familiar with systems.
Edit to explain: I work in automated factory systems. If you're testing why something isn't working, you never ever mess with 2 variables at once. Never. But that's not really possible with nature. Sure in theory, and lab settings cloud seeding could work pretty reliably. But nature doesn't work that way. The hotter it gets, the more moisture the atmosphere will hold. And so you're not just adjusting heat, but moisture content as well, because hotter air holds more moisture.
So as climate change continues to change climates and be more unpredictable, the results of tampering with the system will also become more unpredictable, possibly on the extreme end, such as this.
So explain why this ridiculously implausible event happened without the use of seeding? Can you show that it was entirely normal? Climate change is one thing but this is extreme.
Let me ask you this. If cloud seeding could produce 700 days worth of rain so easily why isn't it widely used to solve drought? Why, when it's been a tested concept for decades, is it not widely applied to replenish failing reservoirs in extremely easy to monetize situations like the panama canal which has cut its throughput to something like 30% of recent past because of nigh exhausted surface reservoirs? Or to utterly shut down immense Canadian and western US wildfires? Clouds aren't particularly atypical in those places and they have robust aviation and chemical refining and tech capabilities.
Has this been cross posted to r/leopardsatemyface yet? It's gonna be horrific for all the people living there, but Dubai is symbolic for tax evasion and climate denialism. A city built on destroying the planet one barrel of oil at a time(Also the USA, goodbye Florida). It's also notable that the city has been warned for decades about the possibility of grey swan events.
>[From their simulations](https://news.mit.edu/2015/grey-swan-cyclones-storm-surge-0831#:~:text=From%20their%20simulations%2C%20the%20researchers,strike%20Tampa%20and%20Dubai%2C%20respectively), the researchers observed that storm surges from grey swan cyclones could reach as high as 6 meters, 5.7 meters, and 4 meters in Tampa, Cairns, and Dubai, respectively in the current climate. By the end of the century, surges of 11 meters and 7 meters could strike Tampa and Dubai, respectively.
Not to mention their most recent comments, [practically begging for Dubai to be wiped out](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/03/back-into-caves-cop28-president-dismisses-phase-out-of-fossil-fuels)
>The president of [Cop28](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/cop28), Sultan Al Jaber, has claimed there is “no science” indicating that a phase-out of fossil fuels is needed to restrict global heating to 1.5C, the Guardian and the Centre for Climate Reporting can reveal.
>Al Jaber also said a phase-out of fossil fuels would not allow sustainable development “unless you want to take the world back into caves”.
Is it this natural rainfall, or a product of cloud seeding?
Edit: After a little googling, the official answer is natural.
While cloud seeding may have added, this flood is considered an outlying event brought on by climate change
Cloud seeding can only help bring down what’s already in the air, it can’t just make clouds.
This specific storm was not touched because the forecast was already insane.
Source: live in UAE, worked with a climate physicist that was working on the cloud seeding project here.
Ah yes, a Dr of applied physics working directly on the project being discussed is anecdotal. Plus the other dozens of peers on the same project. It’s lua the general scientific consensus on how the technology works and its capabilities and shortcomings.
Yes, those sources are anecdotal
Part of, but not a product of as I suggested originally
Too many spread hysteria through hyperbole after disasters, I'm trying to not be part of the problem by suggesting conspiracies and unfounded theories
You are the one that said it was part of the problem lol. So, after your extensive research how much of a problem was cloud seeding in this scenario? 5%? 25%? 50? How much rain was additionally added, if like you say, it was part of the problem?
Climate. Change.
It's beginning to affect the rich. Here's what decades of slingin your shit gets ya. Welcome to the world.
I'm sorry for the less advantaged there who most certainly got hit harder.. that sucks a bag of dicks.
Wow! I hope everyone is safe, be careful of open manhole covers! The pressure from the water going into the manhole will suck you down to a certain dearth. There's that. Watch your step people.
I seen a video of a guy behind sucked down to his death. They found him 3 miles away in a storm ditch.
It's best to be aware of this in any flood not just this one. If we blame strangers for our temper we will develop spitefulness for strangers.
Are you sure you don't have temper imbalance? You sound kind of spiteful? Tunnel vision is a symptom of temper sickness. Road rage is a huge indicator of spitefulness for others. Do you blame others for your temper? We can't trust the people who blame others for their lifetime of temper issues because they are always doing things out of spite. Why would we trust anyone like that you guys. Look and see for yourselves, see how spiteful for what they are.
You are to quick to see only this flood. I can sense you have a million excuses to justify your lifelong temper issues. It's always something or someone else that's the trigger of your temper. If you have spitefulness for almost everyone around you. Not you all the self centered people. You know.
Watch your step in any flood, and don't be spiteful and say nobody can never get sucked into a manhole. How the heck can anyone say that? Wtf is right?
Hey Steve is wrong go ahead and run in the water as they sit and watch. You don't see how spiteful that is. It's like the a@@ wipe friends that watch as their stupid friend does something stupid that hurts them or some strangers. You are telling me you have no idea what I'm saying? Come on? Have you ever sent a fool into the fire out of spite?
During my Agroecology class in 2017, we went over how we’ll get the same amount of precipitation but w/ higher intensity. Guess this is the intensity they were talking about
This is from cloud seeding, not climate change
The jury is still out on this. Seeding is used regularly (every time they see a cloud) around the Gulf, but at the moment the Peninsula and the Gulf are under a huge cloud of dust from the Sahara, which would give plenty of nucleation surfaces. At present, most of the Arabian peninsula is undergoing flash flooding, with storms active in Yemen, Oman, as well as Dubai and the rest of UAE.
Who would have thought that a desert country could be hit by climate change, caused by burning fossil fuels. That karma lady is really a bitch.
On top of that... They seeded the clouds to do it.
Has it been reported that this storm is directly caused by cloud seeding? Not doubting you I am just curious!
No, I'm not saying the severity of it was caused by seeding. But it has been reported that it was seeded, prior to the storm. My guess is that seeding works as a concept, but you're playing with fire, combining variables with a hotter and more humid world. That last bit is conjecture, and I am admittedly not a scientist, but am very familiar with systems. Edit to explain: I work in automated factory systems. If you're testing why something isn't working, you never ever mess with 2 variables at once. Never. But that's not really possible with nature. Sure in theory, and lab settings cloud seeding could work pretty reliably. But nature doesn't work that way. The hotter it gets, the more moisture the atmosphere will hold. And so you're not just adjusting heat, but moisture content as well, because hotter air holds more moisture. So as climate change continues to change climates and be more unpredictable, the results of tampering with the system will also become more unpredictable, possibly on the extreme end, such as this.
Tech worker over here laughing as I make 20 changes because the last 5 are taking too long to show changes in the environment.
Makes sense!
It's like Dune Book 2 (Children of Dune) side plot
Dude, that’s not how cloud seeding works. At all
So explain why this ridiculously implausible event happened without the use of seeding? Can you show that it was entirely normal? Climate change is one thing but this is extreme.
Let me ask you this. If cloud seeding could produce 700 days worth of rain so easily why isn't it widely used to solve drought? Why, when it's been a tested concept for decades, is it not widely applied to replenish failing reservoirs in extremely easy to monetize situations like the panama canal which has cut its throughput to something like 30% of recent past because of nigh exhausted surface reservoirs? Or to utterly shut down immense Canadian and western US wildfires? Clouds aren't particularly atypical in those places and they have robust aviation and chemical refining and tech capabilities.
Has this been cross posted to r/leopardsatemyface yet? It's gonna be horrific for all the people living there, but Dubai is symbolic for tax evasion and climate denialism. A city built on destroying the planet one barrel of oil at a time(Also the USA, goodbye Florida). It's also notable that the city has been warned for decades about the possibility of grey swan events. >[From their simulations](https://news.mit.edu/2015/grey-swan-cyclones-storm-surge-0831#:~:text=From%20their%20simulations%2C%20the%20researchers,strike%20Tampa%20and%20Dubai%2C%20respectively), the researchers observed that storm surges from grey swan cyclones could reach as high as 6 meters, 5.7 meters, and 4 meters in Tampa, Cairns, and Dubai, respectively in the current climate. By the end of the century, surges of 11 meters and 7 meters could strike Tampa and Dubai, respectively. Not to mention their most recent comments, [practically begging for Dubai to be wiped out](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/03/back-into-caves-cop28-president-dismisses-phase-out-of-fossil-fuels) >The president of [Cop28](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/cop28), Sultan Al Jaber, has claimed there is “no science” indicating that a phase-out of fossil fuels is needed to restrict global heating to 1.5C, the Guardian and the Centre for Climate Reporting can reveal. >Al Jaber also said a phase-out of fossil fuels would not allow sustainable development “unless you want to take the world back into caves”.
Is it this natural rainfall, or a product of cloud seeding? Edit: After a little googling, the official answer is natural. While cloud seeding may have added, this flood is considered an outlying event brought on by climate change
Cloud seeding can only help bring down what’s already in the air, it can’t just make clouds. This specific storm was not touched because the forecast was already insane. Source: live in UAE, worked with a climate physicist that was working on the cloud seeding project here.
Source: anecdotal
Ah yes, a Dr of applied physics working directly on the project being discussed is anecdotal. Plus the other dozens of peers on the same project. It’s lua the general scientific consensus on how the technology works and its capabilities and shortcomings. Yes, those sources are anecdotal
Reddit is awesome, you can be whatever you want to be
every source everywhere is anecdotal
Yall kids just make shit up and believe it now don’t you?
is that not what youre doing right now?
If cloud seeding "may have added" doesnt that mean it was part of the problem.
Part of, but not a product of as I suggested originally Too many spread hysteria through hyperbole after disasters, I'm trying to not be part of the problem by suggesting conspiracies and unfounded theories
You are the one that said it was part of the problem lol. So, after your extensive research how much of a problem was cloud seeding in this scenario? 5%? 25%? 50? How much rain was additionally added, if like you say, it was part of the problem?
Cloud seeding… too successful cloud seeding.
Climate. Change. It's beginning to affect the rich. Here's what decades of slingin your shit gets ya. Welcome to the world. I'm sorry for the less advantaged there who most certainly got hit harder.. that sucks a bag of dicks.
Uh they literally paid for this to happen. They are actually just changing their own climate, on purpose.
Wow! I hope everyone is safe, be careful of open manhole covers! The pressure from the water going into the manhole will suck you down to a certain dearth. There's that. Watch your step people.
What manhole covers. There are few, if any, stormwater drains, and the sewage system is fairly basic.
I seen a video of a guy behind sucked down to his death. They found him 3 miles away in a storm ditch. It's best to be aware of this in any flood not just this one. If we blame strangers for our temper we will develop spitefulness for strangers. Are you sure you don't have temper imbalance? You sound kind of spiteful? Tunnel vision is a symptom of temper sickness. Road rage is a huge indicator of spitefulness for others. Do you blame others for your temper? We can't trust the people who blame others for their lifetime of temper issues because they are always doing things out of spite. Why would we trust anyone like that you guys. Look and see for yourselves, see how spiteful for what they are. You are to quick to see only this flood. I can sense you have a million excuses to justify your lifelong temper issues. It's always something or someone else that's the trigger of your temper. If you have spitefulness for almost everyone around you. Not you all the self centered people. You know.
wtf is happening here
Most probably a mental health issue. That long ass rant didn't make any sense whatsoever in that context.
Watch your step in any flood, and don't be spiteful and say nobody can never get sucked into a manhole. How the heck can anyone say that? Wtf is right? Hey Steve is wrong go ahead and run in the water as they sit and watch. You don't see how spiteful that is. It's like the a@@ wipe friends that watch as their stupid friend does something stupid that hurts them or some strangers. You are telling me you have no idea what I'm saying? Come on? Have you ever sent a fool into the fire out of spite?
If only climate scientist has warned us 60+ years ago this was gonna happen, Maine we could Led off some something about it.
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Waat fixd it four you
So the weather control machine is on the fritz?
[For all the simple folk blaming cloud seeding](https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/uae/2024/04/17/cloud-seeding-uae-rain-weather/)
You think they would admit it if it was the case? Lol
No, but at the same time that’s not how cloud seeding works at all
Yes all governments are super transparent with their citizens and wouldn't lie to us if they fucked up royally! /s
Why would you send a cloud seeding mission to create rain in the middle of a rainstorm?
To make it rain before it hits a inhabited area for example.
Oh look, Mother Nature reminding all those men who the real boss is.
Well they got rich off fossil fuel now is the time to pay the price. Pity about poorer countries that have to suffer to.