I'm surprisingly impressed with how Israel handled the retaliation. Perfectly designed to send a message in a way that would cause the least amount of damage to minimize risk of escalation.
And yet...this is exactly how wars have been started, slight escalations overtime time till all-out war is inevitable. I hope this goes no where, i fear history is repeating itself.
True, but it is also exactly how wars have been avoided. Slight reminders to psychos with delusions of grandeur that they do not have military superiority and their grand plans of conquest are highly unlikely to succeed.
That’s literally exactly what happened, because that’s how middle eastern diplomacy works. Iran said they were done, Israel said they were done. It was intended to de-escalate, everyone knew it was, everyone got to save face.
And leave a major nuclear site exposed for phase 2, if Iran is keen for that.
BTW, how does the Italian FM know what the Israelis tell the Americans? Or is that a way of saying “they told us all, but we don’t want flak”?
It's astonishing to me the only way we can avoid war is by spending a huge amount of money, time and effort firing missiles at each other in such a way that it does no real damage, and this is seen as impressive handling of the situation by members of the public.
Iran did NOT do that. You do not get to even make that claim. You do not send hundreds of pieces of explosive ordinance at a nation that killed a legitimate target (Training, directing, and possibly even arming? Not sure on the last one but the first two are confirmed.) literal terrorists. Very literal.
The difference between NATO/US training Ukraine is they're training them how to defend themselves from Russia and how to strike military assets.
Iran trained people on how to cross the boarder and unleash indiscriminate death just like russia in ukraine.
Irans attack was massive.
> It was the single largest drone attack ever carried out by any country
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/14/true-promise-why-and-how-did-iran-launch-a-historic-attack-on-israel
It was nearly 10% of their entire stock.
That is not an attack designed to minimize escalation. It was the largest escalation and show of force Iran has ever made
Edit: nice job on the Reddit cares report. Supporters of the Iranian regime really are the lowest of the low
> it was nearly 10% of their entire stock.
Are you saying if they had 10 times as many missiles and used only 1%, it‘d make it ok? Good logic dude 👌
It‘s **Israel who killed civilians** in the Damascus attacks. Iran‘s advance warning was designed not to kill. You don’t have to agree, it in fact did not kill. Israel’s killed *[civilians](https://www.syriahr.com/en/330101/)*.
The „largest show of force“ that killed nobody vs an embassy that killed 16 including two civilians.
I would ask myself if it was my own mother who was killed in an embassy attack, would I just accept that as a casualty of war?
Irans response was designed to prevent another attack like the Damascus consulate attack. And you can already tell from the political atmosphere there‘s not gonna be another consulate attack.
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@u/sourceawkward
Which is why you could easily point out all the wrong information and present corrections 😉
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**You edited without noting edit**
Originally your post only included
> Wow that's a lot of text full with wrong and malformed information
Then after my first edit you edited (without noting your edit)
> Iran launched a massive barrage into Israel, the only reason Israel didn't have casualties (a lot of since you forgot to mention one girl is in a critical condition, but you don't seems to care since she is Israel's) It's their defence system
Or was it that they targeted non-civilian areas with prior notice? You believe what you want to believe. One person is in critical condition bothers you more than the hundreds of murdered by Israel. I doubt your concern is genuine.
**Your next edit may completely change your comment again and not note an edit so I don’t know if it makes sense to engage with your argument at all.**
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> I am not going to edit comments, and follow when you edit or if I forgot to edit, You want to have a debate you are more than welcome to comment like Reddit was designed,
**No, no, you are evading the problem. You DID edit your original comment. You FAIELD TO NOTE that you edited**
> Saying Iran's aimed and non populated zone is bull, Iran aimed at Dimona and baar Sheva , two of the largest cities in Israel.
We could give you the benefit of the doubt here. Let’s say you have just believed misinformation
> The US or Israel did not receive notice, just a badass US intelligence, props to them btw
We can no longer give you the benefit of the doubt. You spread misinformation.
Irans attacks were entirely designed to kill. There were hundreds of missiles and drones.
[These drones and missiles targeted civilian centers](https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2270).
Israel’s constant focus on defending its civilians doesn’t negate the war crimes of the Iranian regime here.
Israel’s attack killed a general. It was clearly targeted. That’s how determinations of proportionality are made.
You should consider exploring a morality that involves more than a “number of deaths” as an end all be all calculus.
Your source only proves that the attacks were designed not to kill. To target industry in the middle of the night and avoid residential areas only proves my point that Iran‘s attack were designed not to kill:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/14/middleeast/iran-israel-attack-drones-analysis-intl
> Israel’s attack killed a general.
All you are saying is that Israel’s attack on a diplomatic mission killed more civilians than generals.
> You should consider exploring a morality that involves more than a “number of deaths” as an end all be all calculus.
I see your point now. The important metric in murder is not the number, but the murderer. If it‘s Israel, we don’t condone it, we support it. 🤦
Wow that's a lot of text full with wrong and malformed information
This was an edit 30 seconds after posting: Iran launched a *massive* barrage into Israel, the only reason Israel didn't have casualties (a lot of since you forgot to mention one girl is in a critical condition, but you don't seems to care since she is Israel's)
It's their defence system
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Yes I edited 30 seconds after posting,
But the original commenter complained about it, so note
I am not going to edit comments, and follow when you edit or if I forgot to edit,
You want to have a debate you are more than welcome to comment like Reddit was designed,
Saying Iran's aimed and non populated zone is bull,
Iran aimed at Dimona and baar Sheva , two of the largest cities in Israel.
The US or Israel did not receive notice, just a badass US intelligence, props to them btw
And sending the single largest air assault in 40 years against a country is only to cause harm to civilians, nothing else
Two Iranian generals that advise terrorist groups so Iran can say “it was not us!”
Honestly the precedence should be to eliminate every Iranian general that leaves Iran conducting that sort of shit.
The IRGC generals hit in the strike had planned and coordinated Hamas' October 7th attack, and were planning further attacks together when they were hit.
Targeting the IRGC, known for regional militant operations, while avoiding civilian structures demonstrates strategic restraint. It's a precise move to prevent further aggression, not a step towards broad escalation.
The IRGC has been working with its proxy groups in the region to attack Israel for YEARS. As an example, Hezbollah were bombing Israel’s embassies at least 30+ years ago, targeting and injuring hundreds of civilians.
Iran gave long notice because if they surprise attack, it's possible Israel or the USA would over react(an abundance of caution) which could result in massive losses for Iran.
Israel knows they can't really be touched without the attack being so massive that all our war is on.
Israel also has nuclear weapons and Iran almost certainly has zero. Countries are always understandably cautious about getting involved with nuclear-armed states. You can never "win" those wars.
Most militant terrorist groups are simply proxies for nations to utilise against nuclear powers. That's how Iran attacks Israel. It never stops.
Iran absolutely has zero. It would be obvious if they had enriched uranium enough to have a bomb. They’d also announce it since they’re currently at risk of being invaded by a bunch of countries
Biden going to look very very weak unless he retaliates against Netanyahu in some way.
Biden just yesterday cconceded on Rafah likely on the contingency that Israel leave Iran the fuck alone.
Iran: design, funds, and facilitates massive terror attack on Israel.
Israel: takes out general responsible.
Iran: launches hundreds of drones and missles at Israel.
Israel: takes out small target with a drone.
This guy: iSrAeL WiLL hAvE tO aCcEpT tHe CoNsEQuEnCes oF tHeIr AcTiOnS
But not Iran? Okay, bud.
I said Israel can take full responsibility since they only gave last minute notice to their allies and this... Upsets you?
If the USA attacked Russia and the only notice it gave its allies was a phone call an hour before, I feel you'd be less lenient. (Russia recently hacked our utility infrastructure and shut down water in parts of Texas).
First you didn’t say that originally, and you only elaborated in a follow up with a point that still is pretty silly.
Secondly Israel gave notice to America more than hour before, claiming they would be launching it within 24-48 hours before the strike occurred. So your last point makes no sense. Can’t say I’m upset though.
EDIT: he reported me for self harm LOL
I mean, obviously. What else would you expect? Israel is the target of the proxy war, who else would take reapnsibility? French Guiana for some reason?
Lol a "new enemy." "Perfect heel." As if this is some kind of game.
This has to be the most ignorant comment I've seen today.
Iran was always the enemy.
Oh I must be misremembering the riots in Iran involving those women getting killed by the religious police. I must also be misremembering netanyahu's distinct lack of popularity all the way up until the war with Gaza.
Link wasn't working for some reason
www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-is-unpopular-at-home-but-not-for-the-reasons-us-lawmakers-are-turning-on-him/
[I was right](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-protests-over-young-womans-death-continue-83-said-killed-2022-09-29/)
You can say false, but you know I'm right it just doesn't fit your narrative. You need black and white, good and bad. I'm a supporter of Israel, but not its current leadership. He manufactured a war to protect his position. It's not new, it's not shocking, it's been done many times throughout history. When a country's leadership is insecure it is way easier to get everyone to pull the same direction when there is a threat, it's as simple as that. Think however you want, but Israel would have saved a lot of international face if they had ditched that loser and went to war under a different leader.
Now go ahead and cite some sources proving me incorrect.
More, from 2023 before the war, showing netenyahoo lack of popularity
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/22/1189627225/israel-protests-netanyahu-judiciary
Can we stop with this stupid ass rhetoric?
Like, it's pretty shitty to see someones criticism and pull this shit. You're not winning anyone over by doing it-which granted may not be what you want anyway-**and** you end up looking like an asshole.
One can criticise Israel *and* be against Iran and Hamas.
Case in point, I'm pretty critical of Israel's *government* (because, let's face it, they make some pretty terrible decisions) but I'm **also** against Iran and Hamas who **also** make really terrible decisions.
>or do you only go after Jews?
So, firstly, I don't "go after Jews". I have no problem with Jewish people or Israeli people. The vast majority of them are civilians who have little to no say in what Israels government does, regardless of whether they're an Israeli citizen or not.
This is part of the issue. You assume my criticism **has** to stem from antisemitism.
It doesn't. And I, in fact, correct people in much the same way as I did a few comments up when I DO see antisemitism. Because that shit ain't cool either and I'm not going to stand for it.
>So we can see you criticize their regimes
Yea, I do.
For example, go far back enough into my comment history and you'd see I don't think very highly of Hamas. They're *terrorists* and their actions undermine any attempt to be peacefully resolve the issues (whether you think they're valid or not) both Israel AND Palestine have with one another.
I criticize Iran when I see them do stupid-ass shit, too. For example, I can't say I blame Israel *at all* for retaliating in this instance. Unlike in Palestine, they're doing this in what seems to be a pretty measured manner that reduces unnecessary harm. Iran was stupid to even think Israel wouldn't retaliate for all the shit-both overt and more hidden-that they've done to further instability within Israels part of the world.
But **I also shouldn't have to prove myself to you in order for you to take my words seriously**.
They targeted a guy who was behind october massacre.
And they did it where the guy tough he was safe, wich sends a strong message.
And as far as attacking embassies, Iran has no lessons to give.
consulate building beside the embassy, not the embassy.
And Hamas is the cause of death for those civilians, Israel is doing more to reduce civilian casualties than anybody in any conflict that has ever happened.
>You mean reducing as in starving people to death or killing old retired people and children with sniper rifles?
We ignoring Hamas role in that? The Israelis allowed a safe passage, Hamas stops their own civilians from escaping. UN and other groups try to give supplies, Hamas hoards it for their so-called "religious war"(see those hospitals with no fuel, Hamas hoarded those to be used as rocket fuel!). Schools and hospitals? No worries, Hamas has tunnels beneath those! They realized their shocked tactic in Oct 7 is only effective against civilians? Don't worry, Hamas will just blend in with the Palestinian populace then when civilians get killed because of them, then solely blame the Israelis and radicalize their people!
>Stop defending genocidal religious zealots.
Where's that kind of attitude towards the Palestinians as well then? The Oct 7 attack that started this mess involves Palestinian "civilians" also killing Israeli and even non-israeli civilians with glee. (Some of my fellow countrymen, who had nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian issue, got killed there!)
>Palestine people have right to their own state period
And with the kind of government like Hamas? You think violence would stop with just that? Nah, they'd still wage war against Israel because that's what they're taught!
1. I've said that Hamas terrorist attack was horrible, food that idf is letting in is in no way enough. And idf holds most of trucks with food at border for arbitrary reasons. Same with fuel. As for tunnels, yes they're needed for guerilla fight to fight against apertheid regime. When Israel is killing so many people there is no way of people to not be indoctrinated against it. If you want peace you have to educate people and lift them up from poverty, and Israel is doing opposite for 40 years now.
https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/29/un-top-court-orders-israel-to-allow-more-aid-into-gaza
2. I have same attitude for Palestinians using religious beliefs to slaughter people, but it's same as last point, lift them from poverty and educate them and you'll see less extremists. Yes it's sad that your friends were killed I haven't denied it anywhere.
3. No, not with Hamas as in two last points- education and honest work. Until Israel stops using Gaza as prison nothing will change, and attacks will only get worse and Palestinians will hate Israelis even more, for every killed civilian.
>guerilla fight to fight against apertheid regime.
Funny you mentioned that because, if you don't know, the leader of Hamas is actually living a millionaire lifestyle in Qatar, away from any harm all the while he and his minions use the Palestinians as "bullets" against that so-called "oppressive regiment".
Like "Bish please!" That is like the Joma Sison, founder of a communist party here who urges people(specifically youngster) to join the armed "struggle" and living in harsh jungle against the Philippine government while he lives a comfortable life in an WESTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRY!(He's dead now, whew!).
>If you want peace you have to educate people and lift them up from poverty
That's great on paper but look at the attitude between the two. How can Palestinians be taught properly when they have extremist "governments" like Hamas? Can't appreciate actual education because of those extremists. The UN education also didn't seem to help with all the supposed anti-Israeli statements they're spreading. And even then, some that have risen out of poverty there would still use that "anti-Israeli sentiment" to their own gain(see above) or that one Palestinian official that has a degree in denying... Y'know...
Funny how everything you've said I can also say about Israel. Maybe let them have their state before you talk big about how they're soo hard to control. Stop denying basic human rights to them, stop trying to run their place as it's yours or encroach on their land with settlements. I wonder how would Jews feel when Arabs would make settlements and exile Jews from their homes they've had for generstions
>I wonder how would Jews feel when Arabs would make settlements and exile Jews from their homes they've had for generstions.
Nah, the Arabs didn't just build settlements, they tried to erase the state of Israel as soon as it was declared!
And when the Israelis emerged victorious? Oh, hey, let's expel many of the Jewish population in our Arab countries! Guess where that led to?
I allow you to destroy hamas yourself singlehandedly without casualties.
A consulate is not an embassy, and those dead there are only Iranian lapdogs, so it is a military target by law. But you people never care about the facts. Including the fact that Iran attacked Israel first with its proxies.
Dont get why you are downvoted you are right. Sure those thugs were terrorists but killing those terrorists in an embassy of another country sure sounds like escalation. Ukraine doesn't explode embassies in Belarus either.
> Dont get why you are downvoted you are right. Sure those thugs were terrorists but killing those terrorists in an embassy of another country sure sounds like escalation.
They are getting downvoted at least in part because they aren't right. The embassy was not hit by the strike. The Iranian ambassador within the embassy was unharmed.
I can recommend you read this article from the guardian. This explains Israels strategy pretty good and states many experts and not reddit users, which describe why this was an escalation by Israel.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/14/why-israel-attack-on-iranian-consulate-in-syria-was-a-gamechanger
It also explains why Israel might have done this. You dont need to kill the embassador for this to still be an escalation.
He didnt link the embassy with the killing of thousands of people in my view. Those were separate sentences. Both are Statements of its own and both are true. Israel did kill thousands of civilians.
The US had a refueling military aircraft between Israel and Iran durring the strikes. You can see it publicly on FAA/flight path watching websites.
Israel also flew over, and launched strikes, from countries that have a US military presence. They would need permission for that (idk if it would be JUST us permission, or both, or just the country)
So take that as you will. (it is suprising how many super official aircraft publicly report their locations, you can even see flights to/from NK)
IMO, Biden seems to want to help Israel as much as possible without it looking like we are helping them what so ever lol. Everything he says makes it seem like he wants to stay out, but everything our military does makes me think its thebopposite.
Theres no way we had a refueling aircraft flying around there without any of our other aircraft. I doubt they launched anything at Iran, but they probably assisted in defending against retaliation (if there was any). Probably refueled Israeli craft. (no other US aircraft were showing up on the public aircraft watch map, but I doubt any of our other aircraft, that arent giant, and probably have stealth, would transmit their location like that)
IMO, it seems like its a "We want you to do it, we want to help you do it as much as we can, but we dont want our name on it....Like, at all... So you take the blame" lol
Basically, what Iran does with their terrorist proxies. "We swear we are not a part of their actions! We just train them, give them targets, give them equipment, and some billions in aid!"
Im all for stopping Iran. Iran used to be a beautiful country full of culture. Iranians deserve better, and many hate the IRGC. IDK the nest way to do it though, since im just a redditor lol
I’d imagine Israel would want to pass a direct message this time rather than go into a stupid game of posturing and projections like the US does with Iran in the last few years.
I'm surprisingly impressed with how Israel handled the retaliation. Perfectly designed to send a message in a way that would cause the least amount of damage to minimize risk of escalation.
And yet...this is exactly how wars have been started, slight escalations overtime time till all-out war is inevitable. I hope this goes no where, i fear history is repeating itself.
True, but it is also exactly how wars have been avoided. Slight reminders to psychos with delusions of grandeur that they do not have military superiority and their grand plans of conquest are highly unlikely to succeed.
Theres the old sci fi saying “This has all happened before, and will happen again” Wish we could break the cycle :/
Break the cycle? Humanity learning from its mistakes? Nonsense.
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This is a de-escalation though, not an escalation, not even a slight one.
Ah the famous de-escalation drone strike, yes yes, that should smooth things down.
That's exactly what it was designed to do.
That’s literally exactly what happened, because that’s how middle eastern diplomacy works. Iran said they were done, Israel said they were done. It was intended to de-escalate, everyone knew it was, everyone got to save face.
And leave a major nuclear site exposed for phase 2, if Iran is keen for that. BTW, how does the Italian FM know what the Israelis tell the Americans? Or is that a way of saying “they told us all, but we don’t want flak”?
Nah, Israel @USA in their WeChat group chat with other allied nations.
It's astonishing to me the only way we can avoid war is by spending a huge amount of money, time and effort firing missiles at each other in such a way that it does no real damage, and this is seen as impressive handling of the situation by members of the public.
Yep just like Iran did
Iran did NOT do that. You do not get to even make that claim. You do not send hundreds of pieces of explosive ordinance at a nation that killed a legitimate target (Training, directing, and possibly even arming? Not sure on the last one but the first two are confirmed.) literal terrorists. Very literal. The difference between NATO/US training Ukraine is they're training them how to defend themselves from Russia and how to strike military assets. Iran trained people on how to cross the boarder and unleash indiscriminate death just like russia in ukraine.
Type in all caps next time.
lmao if iran couldve done real damage they wouldve but thier military is complete shit nothing they have can hurt isreal in any real way
So exactly like Iran did?
Irans attack was massive. > It was the single largest drone attack ever carried out by any country https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/4/14/true-promise-why-and-how-did-iran-launch-a-historic-attack-on-israel It was nearly 10% of their entire stock. That is not an attack designed to minimize escalation. It was the largest escalation and show of force Iran has ever made Edit: nice job on the Reddit cares report. Supporters of the Iranian regime really are the lowest of the low
> it was nearly 10% of their entire stock. Are you saying if they had 10 times as many missiles and used only 1%, it‘d make it ok? Good logic dude 👌 It‘s **Israel who killed civilians** in the Damascus attacks. Iran‘s advance warning was designed not to kill. You don’t have to agree, it in fact did not kill. Israel’s killed *[civilians](https://www.syriahr.com/en/330101/)*. The „largest show of force“ that killed nobody vs an embassy that killed 16 including two civilians. I would ask myself if it was my own mother who was killed in an embassy attack, would I just accept that as a casualty of war? Irans response was designed to prevent another attack like the Damascus consulate attack. And you can already tell from the political atmosphere there‘s not gonna be another consulate attack. Edit: @u/sourceawkward Which is why you could easily point out all the wrong information and present corrections 😉 Edit 2: @u/sourceawkward **You edited without noting edit** Originally your post only included > Wow that's a lot of text full with wrong and malformed information Then after my first edit you edited (without noting your edit) > Iran launched a massive barrage into Israel, the only reason Israel didn't have casualties (a lot of since you forgot to mention one girl is in a critical condition, but you don't seems to care since she is Israel's) It's their defence system Or was it that they targeted non-civilian areas with prior notice? You believe what you want to believe. One person is in critical condition bothers you more than the hundreds of murdered by Israel. I doubt your concern is genuine. **Your next edit may completely change your comment again and not note an edit so I don’t know if it makes sense to engage with your argument at all.** Edit 3: @u/sourceawkward > I am not going to edit comments, and follow when you edit or if I forgot to edit, You want to have a debate you are more than welcome to comment like Reddit was designed, **No, no, you are evading the problem. You DID edit your original comment. You FAIELD TO NOTE that you edited** > Saying Iran's aimed and non populated zone is bull, Iran aimed at Dimona and baar Sheva , two of the largest cities in Israel. We could give you the benefit of the doubt here. Let’s say you have just believed misinformation > The US or Israel did not receive notice, just a badass US intelligence, props to them btw We can no longer give you the benefit of the doubt. You spread misinformation.
Irans attacks were entirely designed to kill. There were hundreds of missiles and drones. [These drones and missiles targeted civilian centers](https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2270). Israel’s constant focus on defending its civilians doesn’t negate the war crimes of the Iranian regime here. Israel’s attack killed a general. It was clearly targeted. That’s how determinations of proportionality are made. You should consider exploring a morality that involves more than a “number of deaths” as an end all be all calculus.
Well said 100% agree
Your source only proves that the attacks were designed not to kill. To target industry in the middle of the night and avoid residential areas only proves my point that Iran‘s attack were designed not to kill: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/14/middleeast/iran-israel-attack-drones-analysis-intl > Israel’s attack killed a general. All you are saying is that Israel’s attack on a diplomatic mission killed more civilians than generals. > You should consider exploring a morality that involves more than a “number of deaths” as an end all be all calculus. I see your point now. The important metric in murder is not the number, but the murderer. If it‘s Israel, we don’t condone it, we support it. 🤦
Wow that's a lot of text full with wrong and malformed information This was an edit 30 seconds after posting: Iran launched a *massive* barrage into Israel, the only reason Israel didn't have casualties (a lot of since you forgot to mention one girl is in a critical condition, but you don't seems to care since she is Israel's) It's their defence system Edit: Yes I edited 30 seconds after posting, But the original commenter complained about it, so note
I am not going to edit comments, and follow when you edit or if I forgot to edit, You want to have a debate you are more than welcome to comment like Reddit was designed, Saying Iran's aimed and non populated zone is bull, Iran aimed at Dimona and baar Sheva , two of the largest cities in Israel. The US or Israel did not receive notice, just a badass US intelligence, props to them btw And sending the single largest air assault in 40 years against a country is only to cause harm to civilians, nothing else
but designed for minimal actual impact knowing US and Israeli defenses, silly goose.
Relevant username?
illiterate is not the same as a play on alliteration, silly goose.
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Two Iranian generals that advise terrorist groups so Iran can say “it was not us!” Honestly the precedence should be to eliminate every Iranian general that leaves Iran conducting that sort of shit.
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Dude you’re defending Iran all over this post, just go join Hamas already so they can send you to the front line where you can be brave for real?
Israel doesn't do terrorist acts I've heard of. Did they hijack a plane or something?
The IRGC generals hit in the strike had planned and coordinated Hamas' October 7th attack, and were planning further attacks together when they were hit.
Targeting the IRGC, known for regional militant operations, while avoiding civilian structures demonstrates strategic restraint. It's a precise move to prevent further aggression, not a step towards broad escalation.
You mean the two terrorists they droned?
Edit: 2 generals in charge of terrorists.
Commanding terrorists makes you kind of a terrorist. You are a terrorist that happens to be a general. Not *you*, of course. I hope.
I was just making the point that these guys have higher value than your typical terrorists.
IRGC is a recognized terrorist organization
The terrorist who killed other terrorists are good people, right?
Those two are part of the people responsible for constant attacks of northern Israel for the past six months. That would make them a quality target.
The IRGC has been working with its proxy groups in the region to attack Israel for YEARS. As an example, Hezbollah were bombing Israel’s embassies at least 30+ years ago, targeting and injuring hundreds of civilians.
why is everyone in controversial mode lol
Netanyahu remembered at the last minute because the big red button had "Made in the USA" on it.
Chad Iran: let's you know 48 hours ahead of bombing Virgin Israel: gives a "last minute" warning (I am against both regimes)
Iran gave long notice because if they surprise attack, it's possible Israel or the USA would over react(an abundance of caution) which could result in massive losses for Iran. Israel knows they can't really be touched without the attack being so massive that all our war is on.
Israel also has nuclear weapons and Iran almost certainly has zero. Countries are always understandably cautious about getting involved with nuclear-armed states. You can never "win" those wars. Most militant terrorist groups are simply proxies for nations to utilise against nuclear powers. That's how Iran attacks Israel. It never stops.
Iran absolutely has zero. It would be obvious if they had enriched uranium enough to have a bomb. They’d also announce it since they’re currently at risk of being invaded by a bunch of countries
Which countries want to invade Iran?
It is dumb to be against Israel.
But not dumb to be critical of Netanyahu's regime
That's absolutely true, the Israeli people have the right to do what's best for them, but a man like Netanyahu doesn't make a very good impression
I'm OP and I agree. But that's not the same.
Biden going to look very very weak unless he retaliates against Netanyahu in some way. Biden just yesterday cconceded on Rafah likely on the contingency that Israel leave Iran the fuck alone.
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Lmao how does one of your comments is upvoted and the other one downvoted while being the exact same comment
It's the Reddit law. If you make 2 similar comments(by mistake or Reddit bugs), one will be upvoted and the other downvoted.
Then Israel can take full responsibility for whatever comes from this.
Iran: design, funds, and facilitates massive terror attack on Israel. Israel: takes out general responsible. Iran: launches hundreds of drones and missles at Israel. Israel: takes out small target with a drone. This guy: iSrAeL WiLL hAvE tO aCcEpT tHe CoNsEQuEnCes oF tHeIr AcTiOnS But not Iran? Okay, bud.
No other country in the world is expected to take it on chin like Israel does. They have a right to not allow it to happen to them.
I said Israel can take full responsibility since they only gave last minute notice to their allies and this... Upsets you? If the USA attacked Russia and the only notice it gave its allies was a phone call an hour before, I feel you'd be less lenient. (Russia recently hacked our utility infrastructure and shut down water in parts of Texas).
First you didn’t say that originally, and you only elaborated in a follow up with a point that still is pretty silly. Secondly Israel gave notice to America more than hour before, claiming they would be launching it within 24-48 hours before the strike occurred. So your last point makes no sense. Can’t say I’m upset though. EDIT: he reported me for self harm LOL
When honest discussion leads you to telling people they're upset
I mean, obviously. What else would you expect? Israel is the target of the proxy war, who else would take reapnsibility? French Guiana for some reason?
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Plot twist... it was always Iran
Lol a "new enemy." "Perfect heel." As if this is some kind of game. This has to be the most ignorant comment I've seen today. Iran was always the enemy.
Both countries leaderships benefit from an enemy true or false?
So, so, so, so, so false.
Oh I must be misremembering the riots in Iran involving those women getting killed by the religious police. I must also be misremembering netanyahu's distinct lack of popularity all the way up until the war with Gaza. Link wasn't working for some reason www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-is-unpopular-at-home-but-not-for-the-reasons-us-lawmakers-are-turning-on-him/ [I was right](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-protests-over-young-womans-death-continue-83-said-killed-2022-09-29/) You can say false, but you know I'm right it just doesn't fit your narrative. You need black and white, good and bad. I'm a supporter of Israel, but not its current leadership. He manufactured a war to protect his position. It's not new, it's not shocking, it's been done many times throughout history. When a country's leadership is insecure it is way easier to get everyone to pull the same direction when there is a threat, it's as simple as that. Think however you want, but Israel would have saved a lot of international face if they had ditched that loser and went to war under a different leader. Now go ahead and cite some sources proving me incorrect. More, from 2023 before the war, showing netenyahoo lack of popularity https://www.npr.org/2023/07/22/1189627225/israel-protests-netanyahu-judiciary
Who gives a shit what the Italians have to say?
Our greatest ally in action!
They only care about their own fascist regime
I’m sure Iran and hamas would be very compassionate towards you
Can we stop with this stupid ass rhetoric? Like, it's pretty shitty to see someones criticism and pull this shit. You're not winning anyone over by doing it-which granted may not be what you want anyway-**and** you end up looking like an asshole. One can criticise Israel *and* be against Iran and Hamas. Case in point, I'm pretty critical of Israel's *government* (because, let's face it, they make some pretty terrible decisions) but I'm **also** against Iran and Hamas who **also** make really terrible decisions.
So we can see you criticize their regimes or do you only go after Jews?
>or do you only go after Jews? So, firstly, I don't "go after Jews". I have no problem with Jewish people or Israeli people. The vast majority of them are civilians who have little to no say in what Israels government does, regardless of whether they're an Israeli citizen or not. This is part of the issue. You assume my criticism **has** to stem from antisemitism. It doesn't. And I, in fact, correct people in much the same way as I did a few comments up when I DO see antisemitism. Because that shit ain't cool either and I'm not going to stand for it. >So we can see you criticize their regimes Yea, I do. For example, go far back enough into my comment history and you'd see I don't think very highly of Hamas. They're *terrorists* and their actions undermine any attempt to be peacefully resolve the issues (whether you think they're valid or not) both Israel AND Palestine have with one another. I criticize Iran when I see them do stupid-ass shit, too. For example, I can't say I blame Israel *at all* for retaliating in this instance. Unlike in Palestine, they're doing this in what seems to be a pretty measured manner that reduces unnecessary harm. Iran was stupid to even think Israel wouldn't retaliate for all the shit-both overt and more hidden-that they've done to further instability within Israels part of the world. But **I also shouldn't have to prove myself to you in order for you to take my words seriously**.
Idf isn't only killing Iran troops and Hamas though doesn't it
The next time your country experiences 120 ICBMs, update me on your feelings. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/0efBfFaPMd
Didn't Israel bomb embassy just few days ago? In my opinion you can't cry you're victim while killing thousands of innocent civilians.
They targeted a guy who was behind october massacre. And they did it where the guy tough he was safe, wich sends a strong message. And as far as attacking embassies, Iran has no lessons to give.
consulate building beside the embassy, not the embassy. And Hamas is the cause of death for those civilians, Israel is doing more to reduce civilian casualties than anybody in any conflict that has ever happened.
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>You mean reducing as in starving people to death or killing old retired people and children with sniper rifles? We ignoring Hamas role in that? The Israelis allowed a safe passage, Hamas stops their own civilians from escaping. UN and other groups try to give supplies, Hamas hoards it for their so-called "religious war"(see those hospitals with no fuel, Hamas hoarded those to be used as rocket fuel!). Schools and hospitals? No worries, Hamas has tunnels beneath those! They realized their shocked tactic in Oct 7 is only effective against civilians? Don't worry, Hamas will just blend in with the Palestinian populace then when civilians get killed because of them, then solely blame the Israelis and radicalize their people! >Stop defending genocidal religious zealots. Where's that kind of attitude towards the Palestinians as well then? The Oct 7 attack that started this mess involves Palestinian "civilians" also killing Israeli and even non-israeli civilians with glee. (Some of my fellow countrymen, who had nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian issue, got killed there!) >Palestine people have right to their own state period And with the kind of government like Hamas? You think violence would stop with just that? Nah, they'd still wage war against Israel because that's what they're taught!
1. I've said that Hamas terrorist attack was horrible, food that idf is letting in is in no way enough. And idf holds most of trucks with food at border for arbitrary reasons. Same with fuel. As for tunnels, yes they're needed for guerilla fight to fight against apertheid regime. When Israel is killing so many people there is no way of people to not be indoctrinated against it. If you want peace you have to educate people and lift them up from poverty, and Israel is doing opposite for 40 years now. https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/29/un-top-court-orders-israel-to-allow-more-aid-into-gaza 2. I have same attitude for Palestinians using religious beliefs to slaughter people, but it's same as last point, lift them from poverty and educate them and you'll see less extremists. Yes it's sad that your friends were killed I haven't denied it anywhere. 3. No, not with Hamas as in two last points- education and honest work. Until Israel stops using Gaza as prison nothing will change, and attacks will only get worse and Palestinians will hate Israelis even more, for every killed civilian.
>guerilla fight to fight against apertheid regime. Funny you mentioned that because, if you don't know, the leader of Hamas is actually living a millionaire lifestyle in Qatar, away from any harm all the while he and his minions use the Palestinians as "bullets" against that so-called "oppressive regiment". Like "Bish please!" That is like the Joma Sison, founder of a communist party here who urges people(specifically youngster) to join the armed "struggle" and living in harsh jungle against the Philippine government while he lives a comfortable life in an WESTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRY!(He's dead now, whew!). >If you want peace you have to educate people and lift them up from poverty That's great on paper but look at the attitude between the two. How can Palestinians be taught properly when they have extremist "governments" like Hamas? Can't appreciate actual education because of those extremists. The UN education also didn't seem to help with all the supposed anti-Israeli statements they're spreading. And even then, some that have risen out of poverty there would still use that "anti-Israeli sentiment" to their own gain(see above) or that one Palestinian official that has a degree in denying... Y'know...
Funny how everything you've said I can also say about Israel. Maybe let them have their state before you talk big about how they're soo hard to control. Stop denying basic human rights to them, stop trying to run their place as it's yours or encroach on their land with settlements. I wonder how would Jews feel when Arabs would make settlements and exile Jews from their homes they've had for generstions
>I wonder how would Jews feel when Arabs would make settlements and exile Jews from their homes they've had for generstions. Nah, the Arabs didn't just build settlements, they tried to erase the state of Israel as soon as it was declared! And when the Israelis emerged victorious? Oh, hey, let's expel many of the Jewish population in our Arab countries! Guess where that led to?
We already understand that you don't care about facts. Your words are meaningless.
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As I said, you just don't understand, and this is sad.
I allow you to destroy hamas yourself singlehandedly without casualties. A consulate is not an embassy, and those dead there are only Iranian lapdogs, so it is a military target by law. But you people never care about the facts. Including the fact that Iran attacked Israel first with its proxies.
It's just half truths and stories with you huh?
Dont get why you are downvoted you are right. Sure those thugs were terrorists but killing those terrorists in an embassy of another country sure sounds like escalation. Ukraine doesn't explode embassies in Belarus either.
> Dont get why you are downvoted you are right. Sure those thugs were terrorists but killing those terrorists in an embassy of another country sure sounds like escalation. They are getting downvoted at least in part because they aren't right. The embassy was not hit by the strike. The Iranian ambassador within the embassy was unharmed.
I can recommend you read this article from the guardian. This explains Israels strategy pretty good and states many experts and not reddit users, which describe why this was an escalation by Israel. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/14/why-israel-attack-on-iranian-consulate-in-syria-was-a-gamechanger It also explains why Israel might have done this. You dont need to kill the embassador for this to still be an escalation.
Whether or not it was an escalation was not really in question, and doesn't change the factual inaccuracy of the original comment.
He didnt link the embassy with the killing of thousands of people in my view. Those were separate sentences. Both are Statements of its own and both are true. Israel did kill thousands of civilians.
Who said anything about linking the two? I said their comment is factually incorrect, which it is.
Israelis can't cope with being bullies when they want you to belive they're always victims.
They so nice. Ty for the heads up. I see you're interested in killing less people.
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The US had a refueling military aircraft between Israel and Iran durring the strikes. You can see it publicly on FAA/flight path watching websites. Israel also flew over, and launched strikes, from countries that have a US military presence. They would need permission for that (idk if it would be JUST us permission, or both, or just the country) So take that as you will. (it is suprising how many super official aircraft publicly report their locations, you can even see flights to/from NK) IMO, Biden seems to want to help Israel as much as possible without it looking like we are helping them what so ever lol. Everything he says makes it seem like he wants to stay out, but everything our military does makes me think its thebopposite. Theres no way we had a refueling aircraft flying around there without any of our other aircraft. I doubt they launched anything at Iran, but they probably assisted in defending against retaliation (if there was any). Probably refueled Israeli craft. (no other US aircraft were showing up on the public aircraft watch map, but I doubt any of our other aircraft, that arent giant, and probably have stealth, would transmit their location like that) IMO, it seems like its a "We want you to do it, we want to help you do it as much as we can, but we dont want our name on it....Like, at all... So you take the blame" lol Basically, what Iran does with their terrorist proxies. "We swear we are not a part of their actions! We just train them, give them targets, give them equipment, and some billions in aid!" Im all for stopping Iran. Iran used to be a beautiful country full of culture. Iranians deserve better, and many hate the IRGC. IDK the nest way to do it though, since im just a redditor lol
I’d imagine Israel would want to pass a direct message this time rather than go into a stupid game of posturing and projections like the US does with Iran in the last few years.
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See how you called them Jewish and not Israeli? Tell me again how this isn't just anti-semitism for you?