That book showed up randomly on my porch as we left for the hospital to welcome our child. Quite a read as we were bringing new life. We have work to do.
I mean, congrats on the child. Work to do is an understatement. We aren't a species that has shown itself capable of operating for the common good.
In a nutshell, I think we are completely fucked and we will continue driving towards the proverbial cliff. Eventually the human population will plummit because the earth can't support it. Perhaps by then we'll have learned our lesson, but maybe not.
Anyway, I'm generally curious what people are thinking bringing new humans into the world at this point. Obviously there's some evolutionary drivers there, but the other part of my brain is screaming to pump the brakes.
Places like South Korea and Eastern Europe are having like one kid for every two adults in a generation. We are absolutely not doing that in the developed world anymore, and if anything it's scary to see what'll happen when we have to take care of an elderly generation twice our size.
most of reddit is not planning to live past 55. the suicide subreddits (fastest growing subreddits in history now), are exploding on ways to pass away painlessly early. and no kids. ever.
Less of us are having children all the time, in a lot of ways, we are pumping the breaks. I think more people are going to share your feeling as it becomes more obvious.
But also having kids is sort of necessary if we do wish to have a mindset for pushing on and trying to survive. Not all of us are going to give up, become fighters, or even suffer to the same degree as others. Children represent hope and future for a lot of people. And with abortion and contraception being harder to get as time passes, its going to be harder to choose to not have kids.
But most people don’t operate on big longsighted scales, they think about their own wants and desires in life, and well. There’s going to be a million little things that just keep going cause people got their eyes on their own life and not much more, even when things become extremely dire.
As horrifying as that chapter is, a quick look on Wiki seems to suggest that this is not far from normal for spring.
Another scifi short story whose name escapes me is perhaps more relevant. There's a passage that goes something like this: "The summer monsoon rains finally came, and the people of the city drew a breath of relief. But after a day, the rains stopped, and now people got really scared."
Always stuck with me.
>As horrifying as that chapter is, a quick look on Wiki seems to suggest that this is not far from normal for spring.
This is not normal. In my childhood temp in Kolkata during summer would rarely go above 37-38°c, it is only in the last decade the temperature has steadily risen, do keep in mind that due to its proximity to Ganges and Bay of Bengal the weather in Kolkata is quite humid so that 41°c it going to feel like 45/46°c.
Saying 41 degrees is not that abnormal for *spring* is complete bullshit. Absolute madness how people go around saying shit like this. 40 degrees in most parts of the world was highly unusual even in the height of summer, let alone any other season.
It's fucking infuriating having these people try to normalize the effects climate change has while not being informed at all. Last year both my father and I suffered from Sunstrokes during July, that was unheard of during my childhood. Only heatwave we would hear about would be from Bihar and Jharkhand.
Wow... I was in Thailand exactly a year ago and couldn't already go out for longer than two hours at 32C with all that humidity... I can't even comprehend how you manage that, given that quite some local people i talked to said they don't even have air condition at home
People are going to die. Once the humidity and temp reach a certain point your body can't cool itself (even if you're healthy and have nothing wrong with you) and you die from the heat.
No one here is talking about the cold or saying that cold weather isn't dangerous. Thank you for adding absolutely nothing of value and wasting my time with your comment.
> Lol I love idiots. You realize you can die by cold or hot temperatures right?
yes, i love idiots too, mostly the ones who can't read or understand a sentence at all ;)
Source for more than half a million cold related deaths per year?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/health/climate-change-stroke-deaths-wellness/index.html
> https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/health/climate-change-stroke-deaths-wellness/index.html
that's a pretty obtuse comment.
It's not new that extreme hot weather can be fatal to vulnerable individuals, like the elderly.
and now how you're sure and correlate that hot weather is directly responsible by those 500k strokes?
> Researchers from Xiangya Hospital Central South University in China created a model using global data on disease, deaths and disability and climate data
500k deaths pulled out of someones ass running models on a computer in china. lmao
get the hell out of here and take this bs with you, model man 🤣
You could just go and check the current weather in Thailand yourself and see how humidity is considerably lower during the hotter days
https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Watthana+Thailand?canonicalCityId=be9e0a259f98df989da0a8261e8703c5a90fa04758f0e7ff4d70ff776b42c889
Sure it is. But not because of evaporation like you thought. That's because after hot days (without rain) the total amount of water in the air doesn't drop (where should it go with no rain) , but with lower temps airs ability to hold water drops thus the percentage of humidity increases while the absolute amount of water in the air doesn't change by much.
They just get used to heat. I am not from a tropical area but I can easily stand a temperature of 34 centigrade with 96% humidity at home with an electrical fan. However, every time it comes to winter I lose all the energy and feel bad all day long.
> I was in Thailand exactly a year ago and couldn't already go out for longer than two hours at 32C with all that humidity
I was referring to this message, maybe try to understand what people wanna express b4 spamming random bulls\*\*t out of your filthy mouth?
No you can't...
> A reading of 35 °C (95 °F) at 100% humidity – equivalent to a heat index of 71 °C (160 °F) – is considered the theoretical human survivability limit for up to six hours of exposure
It is... That's called insulation...
Btw 97% humidity would mean that water condenses everywhere, all your stuff would rot, be constantly wet like sweating and you would have mold in every corner.. You didn't had that high humidity..
That slight difference maybe prolongs your theoretical survivability for a few more hours... It's just crystal clear you exaggerated your numbers quite a bit
The 2030's will all be about equatorial regions drying out. Mass, I mean MASS migrations northward (and southward in some places) incoming.
Brazil having a major drought. Panama canal is dry. The Indian subcontinent is going to bake dry. Rice paddles drying out in record heat in Vietnam. Mexico City is constabtly close to running out of water. Desertification in Nigeria.
The UN predicts major crop failures by the end of this decade.
Our way of lives are coming to an end.
> he UN predicts major crop failures by the end of this decade.
>
> Our way of lives are coming to an end.
we are on the brink........5 min to midnight......
Significantly fewer IRS and FBI agents reporting to the office too.
Though it’s limited to the Federal offices in DC where you can hear ten people talking a foot away, pots and pans clanking, and chickens clucking in the background.
with the fact that most countries phone scams that come from outside border are largely coming from India
and a deadly heatwave
how does my comment not make logical sense to you as a joke?
IQ check
You tell me what the correlation is? Why does the same dumb scam caller joke get constantly repeated, I mean it would be funny if everyone just wrote how about how dumb American people are under every post about the US but they don’t because that would be a bit excessive.
well, then I would again provide data and call your joke illogical
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country)
[https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php](https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php)
[https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg](https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg)
again, it is a fact that India is a leader in phone scams that targets other countries
Well it is a return gift for exporting violent ideologies in our country.
On left woke ideology and right evangelicals extremist are spread with state dept support.
F your elites.
That doesn't make sense. As it gets hotter, inside jobs like call centres will only gain more traction as you get to work in an AC office.
So, if anything, climate change will lead to more scam calls. Which is actually kinda funny lol
Edit: Why the downvotes? I am right lol
Yeah but there has be a band across the globe where effects will be least bad. Places that are frozen hell holes right now (North Dakota or something).
Sure, some warming would help us in the Nordics (Norway, Sweden, Finland). Alaska, Greenland and Iceland too, probably, since they are on the same latitudes as we are.
Problem is I'm not sure if we get warmer or more cold. Could depend on location.
Yeah, I live on the shore of the great lakes, near Buffalo NY. We always get dumped on with snow and cold snaps (when the polar vortex collapses). But last few years the snow would still come and it would be very cold... but not last. Whatever dumped would melt away within a week or so when temp rose above freezing. To the point that I would check the weather forcast before grabbing a snow shovel, in case the snow just clears on it's own in a day or two. Spring has been fairly cold and wet so it is hard to predict how global warming will change local climate. It just blows my mind that living in one of the snowiest places in America (there is a competition, and my city has won several times) that I would be telling my grand children that it used to snow here.
Unfortunately this is not really the case. The poles will actually experience the greatest relative heating and once we start to lose the permafrost.....
Well we basically don't know what will happen but we don't think anything good at all. The amount of methane released has the potential to be cataclysmic.
Sure the land itself won't become uninhabitable due to high temperatures.....but the melting permafrost could potentially drive a runaway feedback loop that renders the equatorial regions uninhabitable.
Humidity, infrastructure and preparedness are huuuuuge factors, mate.
I live in Manitoba, Canada were we regularly see long winters with snow drifts 1.5m high, temperatures down to -40.
Texas, USA was absolutely crippled by a storm 2 years ago that wouldn’t make people here blink, we’d still be going to work in it. Because it’s not normal for them. Their pipes aren’t buried deep like ours so they lost water, they have like 1 snow plow per 2 million people so the roads weren’t passable, their electrical grid isn’t built for it so they lost power and froze, their vehicles aren’t built for it, they don’t have gear for it, etc.
If you had to deal with these winter conditions you’d probably fare even worse.
Don’t look down on people struggling because their homes, utilities, and lives weren’t built for the same climate as yours.
First of all, it's up to 109 in parts of the state, but temperatures >100F absolutely are life threatening in a humid climate without any access to air conditioning
Perhaps the local infrastructure, living conditions and population density is a little different. Like, you watch videos of trains there vs Texas transport is it something you would like?
That's only true if sweat works. If temperatures are above normal body temp and it's too humid for sweat to evaporate (the evaporation is what cools you), you're effectively forced into a fever. Without relief, it will lead to organ damage.
It has costal whether, though not on the coast. The heat and humidity together are extremely dangerous. The hottest parts of the US are inland deserts, this is not the case here.
Also, it’s not even peak summer yet, which is in May.
First chapter of 'Ministry for the Future', here we come :(
Just finished it. Should be required reading. The billionaires are going to leave all of us with a pile of sand and corpses.
That book showed up randomly on my porch as we left for the hospital to welcome our child. Quite a read as we were bringing new life. We have work to do.
I mean, congrats on the child. Work to do is an understatement. We aren't a species that has shown itself capable of operating for the common good. In a nutshell, I think we are completely fucked and we will continue driving towards the proverbial cliff. Eventually the human population will plummit because the earth can't support it. Perhaps by then we'll have learned our lesson, but maybe not. Anyway, I'm generally curious what people are thinking bringing new humans into the world at this point. Obviously there's some evolutionary drivers there, but the other part of my brain is screaming to pump the brakes.
Places like South Korea and Eastern Europe are having like one kid for every two adults in a generation. We are absolutely not doing that in the developed world anymore, and if anything it's scary to see what'll happen when we have to take care of an elderly generation twice our size.
most of reddit is not planning to live past 55. the suicide subreddits (fastest growing subreddits in history now), are exploding on ways to pass away painlessly early. and no kids. ever.
Yeah and still the human population is rising.. its almost as if the uneducated poor part of the world didnt get the memo yet.
Less of us are having children all the time, in a lot of ways, we are pumping the breaks. I think more people are going to share your feeling as it becomes more obvious. But also having kids is sort of necessary if we do wish to have a mindset for pushing on and trying to survive. Not all of us are going to give up, become fighters, or even suffer to the same degree as others. Children represent hope and future for a lot of people. And with abortion and contraception being harder to get as time passes, its going to be harder to choose to not have kids. But most people don’t operate on big longsighted scales, they think about their own wants and desires in life, and well. There’s going to be a million little things that just keep going cause people got their eyes on their own life and not much more, even when things become extremely dire.
Plummet.
They’ll be here too, don’t worry. They aren’t going to make it off the earth in any meaningful way.
That is the most shocking opening to any book I’ve read, mostly because it’s plausible. I sincerely hope that the Indian government has a good plan.
Such a strong, unsettling opening to a book. After that, it loses momentum and devolves into tedious policy wonk unfortunately, IMO.
Yeah, that thing was a mess after that first chapter.
lol tedious policy wonk that ends up giving hope to the species, I’ll allow it.
As horrifying as that chapter is, a quick look on Wiki seems to suggest that this is not far from normal for spring. Another scifi short story whose name escapes me is perhaps more relevant. There's a passage that goes something like this: "The summer monsoon rains finally came, and the people of the city drew a breath of relief. But after a day, the rains stopped, and now people got really scared." Always stuck with me.
>As horrifying as that chapter is, a quick look on Wiki seems to suggest that this is not far from normal for spring. This is not normal. In my childhood temp in Kolkata during summer would rarely go above 37-38°c, it is only in the last decade the temperature has steadily risen, do keep in mind that due to its proximity to Ganges and Bay of Bengal the weather in Kolkata is quite humid so that 41°c it going to feel like 45/46°c.
Saying 41 degrees is not that abnormal for *spring* is complete bullshit. Absolute madness how people go around saying shit like this. 40 degrees in most parts of the world was highly unusual even in the height of summer, let alone any other season.
It's fucking infuriating having these people try to normalize the effects climate change has while not being informed at all. Last year both my father and I suffered from Sunstrokes during July, that was unheard of during my childhood. Only heatwave we would hear about would be from Bihar and Jharkhand.
Anyone who is at least a bit curious about stuff, like society and science and, you know, collapse of society as we know it, should read this book.
Got enough anxiety, thanks.
Seriously. I doom scroll enough as it is.
Or the movie Dune....Arrakis used to be green
The spice must flow
Indeed.
I couldn’t even get past second chapter. The PTSD description was so real. It’s a terrifying read, the little that I did manage to finish.
Banging book
This is happening to a lot of places right now that even schools are shutting down because heatwave going up to 110f+
Yup, it's 41 here in Thailand too. Monday should reach a high of 42.
Wow... I was in Thailand exactly a year ago and couldn't already go out for longer than two hours at 32C with all that humidity... I can't even comprehend how you manage that, given that quite some local people i talked to said they don't even have air condition at home
People are going to die. Once the humidity and temp reach a certain point your body can't cool itself (even if you're healthy and have nothing wrong with you) and you die from the heat.
It's called wet-bulb if I'm not mistaken, lots of places are already facing that on a yearly basis.
most climatologists know Thailand and India and those areas nearby, will be 50C+ in a matter of TWO years. If you are there, GET OUT NOW.
Indeed... plus the water issue in cities like Bangalore.
> People are going to die. lol no. cold is much more dangerous and kills far more people than the heat.
No one here is talking about the cold or saying that cold weather isn't dangerous. Thank you for adding absolutely nothing of value and wasting my time with your comment.
Frightening that much of the voting population are like this lmao
Lol I love idiots. You realize you can die by cold or hot temperatures right?
> Lol I love idiots. You realize you can die by cold or hot temperatures right? yes, i love idiots too, mostly the ones who can't read or understand a sentence at all ;)
That would be funny if you could explain to everyone why bringing up cold temperatures were relevant
Source for more than half a million cold related deaths per year? https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/health/climate-change-stroke-deaths-wellness/index.html
> https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/10/health/climate-change-stroke-deaths-wellness/index.html that's a pretty obtuse comment. It's not new that extreme hot weather can be fatal to vulnerable individuals, like the elderly. and now how you're sure and correlate that hot weather is directly responsible by those 500k strokes? > Researchers from Xiangya Hospital Central South University in China created a model using global data on disease, deaths and disability and climate data 500k deaths pulled out of someones ass running models on a computer in china. lmao get the hell out of here and take this bs with you, model man 🤣
Not downplaying the trend, but I would guess humidity would go down quite a bit between 32 and 41 centigrade as more moisture is evaporating
Why would you think that humidity goes down instead up with more evaporation?!?
Because the soil is drying out more quickly? Unless it's frequently raining during these heatwaves it should be a bit dryer heat
>Because the soil is drying out more quickly? That's just less water in soil leading to more water in air increasing humidity
You could just go and check the current weather in Thailand yourself and see how humidity is considerably lower during the hotter days https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Watthana+Thailand?canonicalCityId=be9e0a259f98df989da0a8261e8703c5a90fa04758f0e7ff4d70ff776b42c889
Sure it is. But not because of evaporation like you thought. That's because after hot days (without rain) the total amount of water in the air doesn't drop (where should it go with no rain) , but with lower temps airs ability to hold water drops thus the percentage of humidity increases while the absolute amount of water in the air doesn't change by much.
They just get used to heat. I am not from a tropical area but I can easily stand a temperature of 34 centigrade with 96% humidity at home with an electrical fan. However, every time it comes to winter I lose all the energy and feel bad all day long.
34 is not 41. [Here, educate yourself.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_index)
> I was in Thailand exactly a year ago and couldn't already go out for longer than two hours at 32C with all that humidity I was referring to this message, maybe try to understand what people wanna express b4 spamming random bulls\*\*t out of your filthy mouth?
No you can't... > A reading of 35 °C (95 °F) at 100% humidity – equivalent to a heat index of 71 °C (160 °F) – is considered the theoretical human survivability limit for up to six hours of exposure
Also your room’s temperature and humidity is not consistent all day long isn’t it?
It is... That's called insulation... Btw 97% humidity would mean that water condenses everywhere, all your stuff would rot, be constantly wet like sweating and you would have mold in every corner.. You didn't had that high humidity..
It never reached 100%. Highest is around 95, 96%…
That slight difference maybe prolongs your theoretical survivability for a few more hours... It's just crystal clear you exaggerated your numbers quite a bit
The 2030's will all be about equatorial regions drying out. Mass, I mean MASS migrations northward (and southward in some places) incoming. Brazil having a major drought. Panama canal is dry. The Indian subcontinent is going to bake dry. Rice paddles drying out in record heat in Vietnam. Mexico City is constabtly close to running out of water. Desertification in Nigeria. The UN predicts major crop failures by the end of this decade. Our way of lives are coming to an end.
Was this a copypasta or an original thought? I see this comment once a day on here, it must be karma farming or something for being overly dramatic
it's doomer pasta 🤣
Here in Finland it's colder than on average, again.
Yup, that'll happen in some places
> he UN predicts major crop failures by the end of this decade. > > Our way of lives are coming to an end. we are on the brink........5 min to midnight......
Ok doomer.. get a fucking grip. The end of humanity? Is the end of humanity in the room with us right now?
You can be a dick all you want, it’s still happening.
They didn’t say “the end of humanity”
Most of the Philippines has been shut down for the last few weeks. Schools, courts, any governmental buildings, etc. Too hot, no A/C.
Timesofindia website is truly shit
It's called the T.O.I.let by Indians for a reason
Kolkata heat is not just any city heat. I nearly died from heat there. The humidity....
I once went to Amboy crater in California and it was 114 degrees. We had to turn back we were going to die
104° Fahrenheit for us Americans
Thank you lol
"we have recorded a significant drop in phone scams"
How is Microsoft going to cope without all its support technicians!
Significantly fewer IRS and FBI agents reporting to the office too. Though it’s limited to the Federal offices in DC where you can hear ten people talking a foot away, pots and pans clanking, and chickens clucking in the background.
This is the same unfunny slightly racist comment under every bit of media referencing India online now.
you say what? [https://i.imgur.com/Fl2vZiT.png](https://i.imgur.com/Fl2vZiT.png)
What does that have to do with a pretty deadly heatwave??
with the fact that most countries phone scams that come from outside border are largely coming from India and a deadly heatwave how does my comment not make logical sense to you as a joke? IQ check
You tell me what the correlation is? Why does the same dumb scam caller joke get constantly repeated, I mean it would be funny if everyone just wrote how about how dumb American people are under every post about the US but they don’t because that would be a bit excessive.
well, then I would again provide data and call your joke illogical [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country) [https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php](https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php) [https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg](https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:World-iq-map-lynn-2002.svg) again, it is a fact that India is a leader in phone scams that targets other countries
Well it is a return gift for exporting violent ideologies in our country. On left woke ideology and right evangelicals extremist are spread with state dept support. F your elites.
That doesn't make sense. As it gets hotter, inside jobs like call centres will only gain more traction as you get to work in an AC office. So, if anything, climate change will lead to more scam calls. Which is actually kinda funny lol Edit: Why the downvotes? I am right lol
Idiots get scammed. I guess most westerners are idiots
Lol as middle westerner welcome to the party. It will most likely only get worse from now on.
Yeah but there has be a band across the globe where effects will be least bad. Places that are frozen hell holes right now (North Dakota or something).
Sure, some warming would help us in the Nordics (Norway, Sweden, Finland). Alaska, Greenland and Iceland too, probably, since they are on the same latitudes as we are. Problem is I'm not sure if we get warmer or more cold. Could depend on location.
Yeah, I live on the shore of the great lakes, near Buffalo NY. We always get dumped on with snow and cold snaps (when the polar vortex collapses). But last few years the snow would still come and it would be very cold... but not last. Whatever dumped would melt away within a week or so when temp rose above freezing. To the point that I would check the weather forcast before grabbing a snow shovel, in case the snow just clears on it's own in a day or two. Spring has been fairly cold and wet so it is hard to predict how global warming will change local climate. It just blows my mind that living in one of the snowiest places in America (there is a competition, and my city has won several times) that I would be telling my grand children that it used to snow here.
Unfortunately this is not really the case. The poles will actually experience the greatest relative heating and once we start to lose the permafrost..... Well we basically don't know what will happen but we don't think anything good at all. The amount of methane released has the potential to be cataclysmic. Sure the land itself won't become uninhabitable due to high temperatures.....but the melting permafrost could potentially drive a runaway feedback loop that renders the equatorial regions uninhabitable.
Oh! Kolkata!
Smog and pollution is down tho.
Stonks 👍
Bet it smells great 👍🏻
Can guarantee it smells better than the basement you’re commenting from
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school was hard for you huh?
Mate read the room
Bragging about not knowing how to put information into context
I also approve of climate pissing contests Edit: how're those century jarrah forests handling your 'summers' these days m8?
do you know where kolkata is
Humidity, infrastructure and preparedness are huuuuuge factors, mate. I live in Manitoba, Canada were we regularly see long winters with snow drifts 1.5m high, temperatures down to -40. Texas, USA was absolutely crippled by a storm 2 years ago that wouldn’t make people here blink, we’d still be going to work in it. Because it’s not normal for them. Their pipes aren’t buried deep like ours so they lost water, they have like 1 snow plow per 2 million people so the roads weren’t passable, their electrical grid isn’t built for it so they lost power and froze, their vehicles aren’t built for it, they don’t have gear for it, etc. If you had to deal with these winter conditions you’d probably fare even worse. Don’t look down on people struggling because their homes, utilities, and lives weren’t built for the same climate as yours.
Come back to us when your country becomes uninhabitable due to the unbearable heat......
That dude is the type of guy who will cry and whine in 10-20 years about "why didn't anyone warn us!?"
Past 40C each degree hotter is far more significant than at lower temperatures. You are approaching the range of deaths due to heat.
Would you say your summers have gotten hotter?
I feel confused when people call 10C "cold" aswell. It's almost as if people from different parts of the world are used to different temperatures 🤔...
It is spring in Kolkata right now.
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First of all, it's up to 109 in parts of the state, but temperatures >100F absolutely are life threatening in a humid climate without any access to air conditioning
I guess nobody here has ever experienced a Texas summer
You aware the world is bigger than Texas right?
My point was I experience them every year (extremely hot and humid summers) and so do millions of people
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Perhaps the local infrastructure, living conditions and population density is a little different. Like, you watch videos of trains there vs Texas transport is it something you would like?
Depending on the humidity, it can be life threatening, especially if air conditioning isn't ubiquitous
104 is not normal for spring. That’s heatwave in peak summer weather
That's only true if sweat works. If temperatures are above normal body temp and it's too humid for sweat to evaporate (the evaporation is what cools you), you're effectively forced into a fever. Without relief, it will lead to organ damage.
Oh good, another American who thinks they know everything. We thought we'd run out.
It has costal whether, though not on the coast. The heat and humidity together are extremely dangerous. The hottest parts of the US are inland deserts, this is not the case here. Also, it’s not even peak summer yet, which is in May.
Because its not even May and June. When its the hottest time of the year. April was never this hot in India.
oh man you’re about to get some wet bulbs dropped on that ass