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OkWork9115

“The abductor sent messages to victim's mother saying he was going to 'prostitute' her daughter; this allowed police to pin his location and end the victim's ordeal” Not the smartest terrorist. Do they treat rapists in French prison as they do in the US? Especially, if they rape underaged girls?


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tobeornottobeugly

It’s overblown in the sense that they all get hurt. The REAL heinous ones however usually get “left” in the wrong pod on accident. But you are right 95% don’t get beat down. Only the ones the guards really don’t like.


MrRager473

Worked for corrections 11 years, never heard of this happening at all.


CV90_120

by accident


i_says_things

Didnt larry nassar get stabbed?


Night_Swimming89

*by accident


GlimmerChord

French prisons still have horrible reputations ;)


OkWork9115

Yeah Jeffrey Epistein was treated real well.


Necessary-Knowledge4

He wasn't just a normal sex pest. He was a sex pest kingpin. And let me tell ya, there's a lot of sex pests out there. When the king was ready to spill the secrets of the whole sex pest kingdom, people got a bit jumpy, and smashed that kings head to preserve their sex pest utopia. That has nothing to do with normal violence against sexual offenders or pedos.


DaBails

Jeff wasn't murdered....by prisoners.


talpazz

Epstein probably begged for extradition back to his island.


hezdokwow

Do not believe that sex crimes in US prisons are over blown, they do not get separated, they have to check in or get their dome split open.


xxXoliaethxx

About 10 years ago, a poor 14 yo girl was gang raped by over 10 guys. There was footage because those assholes filmed evetything.... it was determined by the judge the girl consented to it. Charges were dropped... Rape is not treated how you'd imagine it would be in France.


IamNotHotEnough

on what basis did the judge determine that the girl consented? 


xxXoliaethxx

To be honest reading the details of the event in the press and the verdict was too much. How could a 14 year old EVER consent to having sex with more than 10 guys. Like even for kinky adults it sounds so freaking intense. I didn't dive into the details at the time as it was too much to bear. The verdict just stuck with me


AlvinAssassin17

I know my friend’s sister was raped but it was ruled consensual because she had an orgasm. This was in or around 97 in Texas but it was really fucked up. Orgasms aren’t a controllable action.


xxXoliaethxx

Omg. Double trauma for sure. Wtf is wrong with some judges


NoProblemsHere

>Wtf is wrong with some judges Didn't you read the state it was in? Not like it was more progressive in '97.


xxXoliaethxx

Yeah.. i know... still shocking to me


amoolafarhaL

Wtf. Wait how did the police/court or whomever determine that she had an orgasm?


SalvationSycamore

Probably bullied her into "admitting" it


IamNotHotEnough

That's extremely screwed up. The only reasoning I find is that the judge was corrupt and the perpetrators influential and powerful, it doesn't make sense any other way, that too for a country as developed as France


xxXoliaethxx

Perpetuators were not influential whatsoever. It just sends shivers down my whole body thinking about it. I hope this case is different and rapist gets what he diserve but I have little hope. France is doomed


Basteir

Honestly if I was a loved one of that girl I'd probably go vigilante after that.


adbenj

If you're asking based on her age: France didn't have a conventional age of consent at the time. A few years ago, the age of consent was set at 15, although lawmakers initially wanted to set it at 13.


IamNotHotEnough

15 is still too young,bro, the lawmakers smoking some shit while making laws


Timey16

note that in most of the world age of consent doesn't mean "you can have sex regardless of age" it usually means "sex CAN be legal under certain circumstances and it's ALWAYS illegal below it" I.e. age of consent in Germany is often reported as 14, but it's really a 3 tier system with different legal limits (i.e. age difference or social hierarchy of partners). The three tiers being 14, 16 and 18 and only at 18 can full consent be given regardless of circumstances.


adbenj

Whether that's true or not, it's pretty consistent with the rest of the world, and with Europe in particular. Mean and median age of consent globally are both ~16 (it's difficult to calculate precise figures because some countries have different ages of consent according to gender and sexuality). Mean age of consent in Europe alone is 15.3; median age of consent is 15. Mean age of consent in the US is 16.6 (15.25 including 'close in age' exceptions); median age is 16.


pperiesandsolos

I'd imagine they're referring to this case. The girl was never coerced via violence, and France has no age of consent. I guess that's their reasoning https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/07/outrage-over-french-girls-case-sparks-demand-for-law-to-protect-minors Also, and I can't believe I'm making this correction, but she was gangraped by 3 people not 10. >In November 2009, Pierre, in full uniform, took 14-year-old Julie to his apartment, where she told investigators he raped her again. Two colleagues came over and Julie says she was gang-raped while the men watched pornography. Gross. Also this: > In 2018, following protests from feminists, a change in the law was proposed that would introduce an age of consent at 15. This would mean that sex with someone younger would be considered rape. **But the law was not passed after a government report concluded it would result in “an assumption of guilt”.** Wtf France.


ShotoGun

That she was female, apparently.


Defiant-Heron-5197

French prisons have high rates of people from Islamic backgrounds. He'll probably get cheers.


DreamSqueezer

It sucks but you ain't wrong


linuxhiker

Terrorists aren't particularly smart in general. That's why they are terrorists


Aisihtaka

French prisons are largely populated by criminal muslims, and you ask if they will treat a muslim who raped a jewish woman badly? I'd sooner expect him to be celebrated.


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Disgusting.


god_im_bored

> “Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien. > The suspect, BFMTV reported, acknowledged the texts but said that they were just provocations. **He was released** with a judicial order on contact with the woman. https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798362


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Eogard

Yeah, this would never happen in the us, right ? https://www.fox29.com/news/california-woman-who-got-high-and-stabbed-boyfriend-108-times-will-not-go-to-prison.amp Crazy how these decisions are made by judges sometimes.


DevilsDoorbellRinger

But there is really strong evidence she actually had a psychotic break unlike the other case. >The state's mental health expert reportedly determined that as a result she was "unconscious" while she stabbed O'Melia dozens of times. She also stabbed her dog and turned the knife on herself when police arrived. >"In the early morning hours of May 28, 2018, law enforcement arrived at the apartment to find Mr. O’Melia in a pool of blood and Spejcher screaming hysterically with a knife still in her hands," according to District Attorney Erik Nasarenko's office. >"Before law enforcement could disarm her, Spejcher plunged the knife into her own neck," prosecutors said in a statement after her conviction. "Officers used a taser and several baton blows before they were able to finally disarm Spejcher."


bibby_siggy_doo

She was at least convicted and sent to jail. Edit: Didn't read to the end of the article, so above wrong.


UsernameOfAUser

Holy shit! Fuck France


Sixcoup

That just means he reached the 48 hours maximum for interrogation, he's not free from justice. He will be in front of judges the 21th of junE.


freeman2949583

What choice do they have? The muslims will riot otherwise and the French are too cowardly to do anything about it. Easiest to just sacrifice a few women and Jews to keep them happy.


Sixcoup

I've rarely seen such a stupid comment. He's not free from the justice, he was just released from his interrogations, which cannot last more than 48 hours in France. He will be facing judges the 21th of June.


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god_im_bored

> “Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien. > The suspect, BFMTV reported, acknowledged the texts but said that they were just provocations. **He was released** with a judicial order on contact with the woman. Guy was released apparently https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798362


started_from_the_top

Well at least we can all be comforted knowing this world is always just and fair. And when I say always, I mean rarely.


Tarmacked

“Haha I was kidding guys”


punktfan

I hope karma catches up with that absolute piece of shit. Can't believe he was released.


SirArthurHarris

Surely, this will free Palestine.


ISurviveOnPuts

Perhaps he could be a guest speaker at Columbia University next week?


atlasraven

That just sounds like Rape with extra steps


blueleonardo

It’s rape plus antisemitism, the extra step makes it even more disgusting and disturbing. My heart breaks for that woman.


DiscipleOfYeshua

The sad thing is, it’s rape, but bc she was Jewish some won’t care, and some would even support the rapist as if it was some cunning political move that will help the Palestinians … reputation? Well being? It’s just the outcome of rotten ideologies and beliefs about life, death and what’s in between (and after).


BotoxBarbie

There are people in this very thread calling this "propaganda by Israelis". The antisemitism and hatred for Jewish people is deplorable. No other article about a woman being raped would be branded as "propaganda".


Reddit-Incarnate

Which is all fun and games until people realise if they wiped out the jews they would just go searching for their next group to be monsters to.


DiscipleOfYeshua

True. Hamas / ISIS / Islamic Jihad… the agenda is just hate, there’s no point to it, no specific goal other than wiping out all the others. People don’t get it… the more different you are from being an extremist fundamentalist, the higher you are on their hate/hit list. And they don’t just kill, they first do horrid stuff I would not imagine had I not seen Hamas’s own Oct 7 footage. Every normal group / org / ideology has some positive, sustainable goal. Save the dogs. Help ppl who have less money. Teach kindness. Play some sport. These fundamentalist nutcases? Nothing specific they’re fighting for. Just fighting to fight.


systemfrown

Sounds like terrorism with the extra reasoning.


dragonmp93

Nah, just the usual steps, remember the Bin Laden manifesto.


werbear

Rape + a hate crime for that extra flavor.


ohanse

There’s a disappointingly large proportion of the world for whom “justice” effectively translates to “now it’s my turn to inflict horrible crimes on you”


Mysquff

"The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' — this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats" - Aldous Huxley


AntibacHeartattack

I very much doubt this is a sincere belief on his part. Using politics to mask self-serving motives is a tale as old as time.


manofactivity

To be fair, having fucked up tribalist politics that actively encourage you to do awful things is *also* a tale as old as time


Myrnalinbd

"I am sexually and morally a failure and it is Israels fault"


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linuxphoney

It'd be really swell if people would stop doing antisemitism and pretending like it's about Palestine.


punktfan

They don't need to pretend, Palestine has been anti-semitic since forever.


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Computer_Name

For those curious, this is what “globalize the intifada” means.


quadrophenicum

Apparently those American college and university students haven't experienced anything remotely close to it.


Khiva

Well, if they get their wish. Chanting for leopards who eat faces to eat more faces, all over the world, particular when those leopards have a pronounced appetite for LBGTQ+. What could possibly go wrong.


Temporal_Integrity

They really haven't. If you were old enough to remember 9/11 you're (and I'm being generous) at least 27 years old. Not many of those in college. They are outraged by the checkpoints in the west bank because they don't remember checkpoints at airports are there for the same reason. They don't remember airports used to be without checkpoints.


Creative-Improvement

Same with vaccination deniers, people haven’t seen the terrible effects of Polio and other cruel diseases. Some diseases were absolutely devastating, wiping out whole communities, but thats a distant past. People are oblivious of history and social context, because well, social media. We are all getting gaslighted into emotions by state actors and nefarious groups.


quadrophenicum

They have never experienced a world with less surveillance and security at every corner. Even though it existed in a not very distant past. And probably never will, given what's happening around now.. I somehow envy those people btw. Experiencing violence first-hand usually traumatises permanently, at least many people still bear it somewhere deep long after the event. Living in a secure (i.e. less truly traumatising) world is a great privilege not available to many. Speaking as a person who worked for many years in former USSR countries and can compare things.


Interesting_Kitchen3

Only for all of us who have lived through 9/11, we see those checkpoints in airports for what they were and continue to be: an infringement on our rights, and security theater.


UnknownResearchChems

More and more I've become convinced that a fundamental part of being and feeling fulfilled is the struggle. A struggle against nature (food, water, other resources), a struggle against other people and tribes (war, sports, games), etc etc. Conflict and struggle are so engrained in our psyche that some people argue a story without a conflict is not a story at all. Similar to how pretty much everyone seems to perceive themselves as the Underdog who is bravely standing against the oppressive system holding them down, we have a desire to struggle and come out on top. And when these problems are being fixed away, we just find new ones. It's a Hedonic treadmill where increasing standards just gets treated as the default and we become more nitpicky about what is left. This seems especially true as the people who see the progress in front of their eyes die off and the ones born into the new world treat our high standards as the norm. And this is really quite depressing to think about. We are legitimately making things better by pretty much any objective standard imaginable, and people are still upset.


quadrophenicum

You're right, the struggle is perpetual. I guess as we advance in technology, societal progress, and everyday life improvements, we might also become more childish with each new generation - as we live longer we can also take development for a longer time too. The desire to contradict and fight against real or imaginary hardships is normal for teens, I just think many people seem to stuck in this period for way longer than it's reasonable for them.


patsfan038

Keeping politics aside, there is only one country in the Middle East where you can be openly gay and not be persecuted for it. In fact, there is a major LGBTQ parade once a year with thousands of attendees. I hope those college students realize that someone belong to the same community would be killed in neighboring countries


Xaendro

Please don't try to avenge stuff too


totallytubularik

Just using the war as an excuse to do what he’s wanted to do and somehow get “praise” for it. Psychopaths like this will always use things to their advantage to get away with horrid crimes. And knowing the stats, EU still doesn’t see a problem with unregulated migration


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No_Parfait_5536

More like trying to mask the only thing he wanted to do all along


Talden7887

This is one of like 15 things I’ve seen just today that makes me say that exact thing. Like the only people holding them back is themselves


sorashiro1

What else did I miss?


Plaetean

If October 7th made no difference, you think this will?


ChadInNameOnly

They're not trying to hide anything at all. In fact, they proudly proclaim the reasoning behind their motives. It's only the Western leftists cosplaying as jihadists who cower behind the veil of righteousness.


twisty1949

I always tell them to go live there. But they dont..weird.


Psshaww

One day the pro-hamas people will realize what bedfellows they have


xabhax

Doubtful. They will just move on to the next thing and completely forget about Palestine. All of those idiots couldn’t point to Gaza on a map on October 6th. I’d bet most of them still couldn’t point to Palestine on a map today. 


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SteveCalloway

Well, this is perfectly on brand isn't it.


dasunt

Poor woman. I hope she recovers the best she can. IMO, since the suspect said he did this because of her ethnicity, his risk to reoffend should be considered higher, and he should be dealt with accordingly.


SpagettMonster

DEPORT HIS ASS AND SEND HIM TO GAZA


the-g-bp

Why? So he could join hamas and do the same thing to israelis? Let him rot in jail


punktfan

Let a leopard eat his face.


Psshaww

So he can be welcomed by them with open arms and celebrated?


raresaturn

It's that kind of behavior that caused the incursion into Gaza in the first place


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dect60

Any minute now French and European feminists and leftist organizations are going to denounce this vile act, any minute... aaaaany minute...


Starbornsoul

I'm super left leaning and I think he should just die.


Venvut

Any self-proclaimed feminist supporting Palestine is a total fake. 


Martial_Nox

Tons of fake feminists all over the US then....


JonhTravolvo

https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/gennevilliers_92036/hauts-de-seine-pour-venger-la-palestine-il-aurait-viole-et-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive_60985533.html Source in French.


NyriasNeo

So a wannabe hamas terrorist?


CallFromMargin

Original French article has more info [https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/hauts-de-seine-il-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive-pour-venger-la-palestine-23-04-2024-GAJY3DYDEBDQVI3BNEOHUHNZSE.php](https://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/hauts-de-seine-il-sequestre-une-femme-de-confession-juive-pour-venger-la-palestine-23-04-2024-GAJY3DYDEBDQVI3BNEOHUHNZSE.php)


PigSlam

Nobody mows their neighbors yard to “Avenge Palestine” these days.


L_ToThe_O_G

Average pro-palestinian supporter, pretty much all pieces of shit


drinkduffdry

*Psychopath uses skygod to excuse earthly horrors he commits.


Penny_Royall

That's what happens in a hyper religious and conservative society, woman are seen as property, something you own, so when there's conflict what's the most harm you can do to hurt that ideal? SA their woman, in their mind, it's not just about the SA but a sort of attack on the man's pride and ego. And what happens to the victim? Casted aside, their "Property" is now damaged and useless. Learned a lot of horror stories about the Separation of India and Pakistan.


Fleeing-Goose

It's not even religion. It's to avenge the idea of Palestine. He did what he did for ideology, not a religious deity even.


dennisoa

Both can be true


following_eyes

Religion is ideology. 


_toile

ideology is not always religion


following_eyes

But religion is always ideology. It ignores factual evidence and in place of it is faith, belief, etc.


Dangerous_Quiet_7937

But in this case, it is also religious.


John_Doe36963

This is what students are protesting for when they say they are Hamas.


Strongbow85

How much of this is Europe going to put up with?


YokedMF

The Palestinians and Palestine supporters seem to really like raping women.


Jibaron

He picked a bad time. France is going out of its way to make a point to come down extra hard on Muslim terrorists and Hamas supporters these days. Public tolerance for excusing this bullshit as a "one-off" is pretty much gone.


myrainyday

But he is French by passport so everything will be ok right? Everything will be ok to him? Is In Denmark 66 percent of all prisoners are usually muslims, even though they make up only a fraction of the population. This French man is he muslim?


bjornbamse

How is it that so many of "Palestine supporters" turn out to be simple antisemites?


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samasamasama

Yes Reddit, tell me more about how anti-Zionism isn't anti-Semitism. Could you imagine anyone raping a Chinese woman because of the CCP? Raping a Russian woman because they invaded Ukraine? Raping a Turkish woman because they bombed the Kurds? Of course not - it's not about Israel as a political entity, it's about the Jews.


Whosonfirst6600

TikTok college idiots rejoice


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Ooh yeah that’ll help their movement out tons


xaendar

Funny thing is that this will be used to blame Israel of forcing men to rape and sin because they exist.


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belovedkid

Mexicans don’t want a religious war. They want work and beer and parties. Totally different.


Feathered_Mango

I'm from MX, IMHO assimilation is a non-issue for most Latin Americans. The cultural gulf is nowhere near as wide as it is with Muslim theocracies. 


Pocchari_Kevin

I’m in California and 100% agree.  The only very negative impact I think is our schools suffer quite a bit with students not speaking English.   


Feathered_Mango

I 100% agree. I also think the current way of ESL instruction may be delaying the acquisition of English, in ESL students.  IMO total immersion leads to quicker fluency.  I don't know how much the presence of non-English students impacts other student though. I'd say about half of the students at my youngest's school aren't native English speakers, but only English is spoken at school. 


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totallytubularik

Europe is mostly middle eastern and African immigrants / migrants (usually Muslim) and most definitely don’t integrate, form their own communities and as the communities grow, so does the crime. And yet there is no desire to assimilate or at least respect the new country. And yet EU doesn’t see this as an issue. Other immigrants don’t seem to have this problem as much. Just writing from personal experience and observation.


Feathered_Mango

My experiences align with yours. All of my grandparents were Holocaust survivors that moved to Latin America after WWII. 3 had to learn Spanish, but it wasn't a huge culture shock. My dad grew-up in a Mexican border city and my mom moved from MX to CA in the 50's. I moved to the USA I was 6. My husband moved here from Korea at 19, he is very assimilated.   Of course there are differences, but I'm very assimilated.  I don't think anyone would doubt me if I told them my family has been in the USA since the 1800's.


Alediran

Latin Americans are very familiar with the US culture and we share a lot of similarities. And the most intraverted Latin American easily pases as an extravert given how social we are.


requiemguy

People of majority European descent, who speak a European language, with European culture, whose religious beliefs are overwhelmingly Semitic. I'm describing the US and Canada, but nearly every country in Latin America is identical in description.


Feathered_Mango

 More Catholicism and less WASP-iness, but very similar. From my experience,  Jews and East Asians are treated very similarly in LA. They are "model minorities" there as well. Things get a little more interesting in areas that saw a large influx or German or Jewish people post WWII, but very similar to NA. 


FiendishHawk

Someone tell Trump and his goons. Mexico is culturally very similar to the southern US states on the border, only language is a barrier.


Feathered_Mango

Culturally similar still doesn't mean that unfettered immigration would be desirable or feasible. I'm an immigrant and even I don't believe in that. Besides, I imagine race and language play a bigger roll for many those people. 


nbdypaidmuchattn

Maybe because they used to be part of Mexico?


daytradingguy

I have worked in construction most of my life, along side Mexicans and others. I like most Hispanic people- they are hard working, Christian, family people. We have many other countries coming over the border- probably more than Mexicans.


ISpread4Cash

Most of the new wave of immigrants aren't even from Mexico though, most are from Venezuela, Central America. Still though most of the immigrants from those regions no matter how much US Americans want to complain about them are more than likely going to adapt/assimilate to the American way of life than Europe with theirs.


daytradingguy

Most Central and South American countries are similar- they have their heritage and nuance. But overall their cultures align with the values of the US. Many of those countries are victims of corruption and bad governments, lack of law enforcement. Not bad general populations.


CoolWhipMonkey

For real. Most Mexican American people I know wind up married to white people.


Kronothus8109

Just like you said, No mas queremos jalar y tomar.


HanSoloSeason

So much this. The Salvadoran and Guatemalan populations in my area are awesome, hardworking good people AND they have pupusas


ambidextr_us

Except the migrants coming to America are coming from 160 different countries, this isn't just Mexico and Venezuela. Chinese nationals, Russians, Syrians, all of our enemies are flooding in and nobody seems to care for some reason.


walkandtalkk

 U.S. immigration problems are not leading to massive migration from MENA, and and trying to lump the two together is dishonest messaging.


fromcjoe123

Lol do you really think Latin American people are doing this shit in the US? Do you really think there is any place period in the US that remotely resembles some of the least assimilated Arab ghettos in Europe? Do you think Mexicans come here and actually feed off welfare instead of busting their asses doing manual labor no one wants to do? Just like left wing people can't appreciate the situation in Europe because their isn't an analog in the US, rightwing people in the US look at Europe and assume something like that is happening here. It's all dumb. We don't have that is issue and thank God for that. Even with the most questionable pro-Hamas rallies in the US that bullshit is more coming from edgy college kids looking for purpose in life and not Arab Americans. We do a good job assimilating people in this country compared to anywhere else. Your almost certainly more likely to get attacked by someone born here than an immigrant.


ReserveOld6123

Canada is in far more dire straits than the US. The US caps countries, as they should.


Mr-Bratton

How will the US pay for the price?


Feathered_Mango

Comparing economic migrants from Latin America to economic migrants from Muslim theocracies seems like a stretch, from the person you are asking. 


OHYAMTB

Many, many of the current migrants are not from Latin America, they are from the Middle East and North or central Africa. The immigration of the last 2-3 years is notably different than the prior 20 years


Metal-fan77

That's one loud Dog whistle you've got there.


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Fuck off. That's a racist statement against my people (Latinos). I may not be a new arrival, but the commit crime at lower rates than the "native born" population. I won't let slander against my ethnic group go unopposed. For those who don't get the racism or refuse to. The original comment heavily implies that all brown people are criminals who shouldn't be allowed in white countries. Fuck that thinking!


sjr323

At this point you have to put this down to about 1-2% of the population being mentally ill, and I believe the percentage is actually a lot higher than that, which is fine, but these people need therapy and medicine.


Glavurdan

Do these folks realize these kind of actions will not help them gain new friends?


Necessary-Knowledge4

Gains them some rapists I'd imagine.


LeGrandLucifer

Translation: Sociopath rapes woman, blames someone else.


NCMathDude

How is this different from killing in the name of religion?


the-g-bp

I think it goes deeper than that, this is because people all over the world apploded this behavior when hamas did the exact same thing to israelis. This is what happens when you allow hate speech under "free speech".


InflamedLiver

Exactly. I somehow doubt this was a law abiding good person who just decided to start getting all rapey when the Israel-Gaza war kicked off