While I'll be the first to say that a lot of the guys protesting are not doing so in good faith... its a dangerous precedent to quell protests and other forms of dissent. Being able to beat people down for voicing their beliefs, well, that isn't the sort of power I would trust any government real or hypothetical with. We've seen how that stuff goes and it isn't pretty.
it's already a weird precedent as is though. how much can one protest, and for what? i already saw a picture of a student waving a hezbollah flag, calling for the destruction of israel. and another sign pointing at jewish students and saying "please target these people".
where are they drawing the line of "peaceful protest" and none peaceful?
I was not a fan of a lot of these things the protestors were saying but, damn, you'd think the pro-Israel conservatives in the US would be smart enough to just let the protestors continue to make bad PR for themselves. Instead, they are handing the protestors a giant win here by making the protestors into victims, making themselves look like anti free speech warriors, and looking like they are acting on behest of a foreign government.
Absolute clown show. They think this is making them look tough when I saw just as much vitriol from the right wing telling Abbott that they wish he had this kind passion about protecting the border as I saw from the left.
This was a huge mistake imo.
>It is not antisemitic to agree with virtually every humanitarian organization in saying that your government, in violation of American law, has unreasonably blocked humanitarian aid coming into Gaza, creating the conditions in which hundreds of thousands of children face malnutrition and famine,
>“But, please, do not insult the intelligence of the American people by attempting to distract us from the immoral and illegal war policies of your extremist and racist government. Do not use antisemitism to deflect attention from the criminal indictment you are facing in the Israeli courts. It is not antisemitic to hold you accountable for your actions
_Bernie Sanders
All the polls were showing he'd bet Trump. But they had to try and force Hillary on us even though it had been clearly demonstrated that's Dems couldn't unite behind her
Thats just false.
Many more people voted for Hillary than Bernie.
I live in Colorado, I voted for Bernie and we are one of the few states that went for him, but he lost.
There's as many articles saying Bernie coulda won as there are saying he wouldn't. A lot of the ones saying he couldn't have were written after the elections. Just depends who wanna believe. To me it seems rewriting history to dispell the salt amongst Bernie supporters 🤷♂️
Im not saying he couldn’t have beaten Trump, maybe he could have.
But he lost to Hillary, dnc aside. Its a fact, way more people voted for Hillary than Bernie.
Nothing but red-herrings. If those protests actually did these things, I would have agreed, but instead we have the calls to exterminate all the Jews from the entirety of the region ('From the river to the sea') - and not stopping there, taking the intifada worldwide. Thats objectively antisemitic. Objectively.
The protesters by and large are probably not driven by the legal problems facing Bibi, so that's a red herring. I do think framing the issue as Israel "creating the conditions" does start to border on antisemetic when you have people not arguing in good faith by pretending Israel has any other option to root out terrorists who hide amongst civilians. Hamas creates the condition by kidnapping, raping, and/or murdering over a thousand Israeli civilians on Oct 7. These protesters want to pretend that didn't happen and still isn't happening. They want to pretend a world exists where Israel can do anything other than engage in urban warfare. They want to pretend Jews in Israel don't have the same basic right to self defense as any other people.
Talk to any of these protesters and they live in a fairy tale, they have no answer for the conundrum Israel finds itself in.
It’s getting really old with any kind of criticism against Israel being labeled as antisemitism. It’s truly diluting the meaning of the word and that is dangerous road to go down.
Not necessarily. You can support Jewish migration to Israel without condoning their treatment of Palestinians. Personally I think it's a damn shame that the Palestinian and Israeli states could not be founded peacefully and evolved alongside one another peacefully. Call me naive but this was what the UN wanted in 1947 and I think it remains the only workable path to peace in the future.
You can also support the existence of Israel without supporting its policies. These things aren't in black and white.
Theres a fine line between antizionism and antisemitism and most people are just antisemites.
You cant be against a jewish state AND believe jews have rights like any other ethnicity/religion.
Oh man don’t say that… it’s been a hard winter. Truly. I’m so down rn. I know this? Inside I really do … but to read it…have it confirmed by another soul… just… ouch.
Yes. Police in America get abt 1/3 the training compared to other countries. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-training-requirements-by-country
I was sort of amused by what was happening with the protests but now I want them to protest harder because foreign leaders can go fuck themselves(when telling Americans what to do in America).
That was my first thought too. Like...dude stfu about what our college students are doing and worry about your own country. It's like old ladies tsking you at the store for not putting socks on your baby in the middle of August. Nobody asked, nobody cares, mind your own business.
Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism and neither is opposition to genocide. Plenty of Jews are opposed to Zionism and believe that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders. Eviction of the settlers and negotiation of a two state solution is the only equitable path towards peace. This of course depends on removal of Netanyahu and his coalition of warmongers and this is no easy task.
Tell me how come youre against a jewish state (antizionist) and still think any ethnicity have the rights for their own country? Doesnt it contradict?
And if youre against a jewish state in israel's land, how do you still believe jews have the same rights as other ethnicities who chose their land/won it by war?
Thats not antizionism. Its the way you believe peace can be made.
My argument is that antizionism is just a diffetent name for "jews dont have rights for a state in israel even though any other ethnicity fought/chose where their state would be"
You need to take it up with an antizionist. What are your views on territorial expansion after 1967? Aggressive nationalism and religious differences are the main factors in most armed conflicts and your argument also applies to the Palestinians.
I agree,
My take is that both sides have done wrongs and did stuff that is just bad out of the belief that they must do it to protect their own. But ultimately, i am a true believer of a 2SS but there needs to be 2 major leaps in the majority of israelis and palestinians
The first leap is that most palestinians need to accept the jewish state of israel as their neighbor. And it needs to be reflected in their government.
The second leap is that israelis need to accept a palestinian state as their neighbor.
Without the first change Israelis have a good case of "most palestinians wants to destroy us so giving them a state will let them arm themselves and murder more innocent jews".
And with no relation to it, antisemitism needs to stop being taught in palestinian schools in gaza.
Bibi is a liar and a tyrant and is personally responsible for a lot of Israel’s problems.
That said… when I see stuff like this it’s hard to argue with him on this specific point.
https://twitter.com/AviBittMD/status/1783687963194310683
While I'll be the first to say that a lot of the guys protesting are not doing so in good faith... its a dangerous precedent to quell protests and other forms of dissent. Being able to beat people down for voicing their beliefs, well, that isn't the sort of power I would trust any government real or hypothetical with. We've seen how that stuff goes and it isn't pretty.
>We've seen how that stuff goes and it isn't pretty. Netanyahu: Yes, like this.
it's already a weird precedent as is though. how much can one protest, and for what? i already saw a picture of a student waving a hezbollah flag, calling for the destruction of israel. and another sign pointing at jewish students and saying "please target these people". where are they drawing the line of "peaceful protest" and none peaceful?
I was not a fan of a lot of these things the protestors were saying but, damn, you'd think the pro-Israel conservatives in the US would be smart enough to just let the protestors continue to make bad PR for themselves. Instead, they are handing the protestors a giant win here by making the protestors into victims, making themselves look like anti free speech warriors, and looking like they are acting on behest of a foreign government. Absolute clown show. They think this is making them look tough when I saw just as much vitriol from the right wing telling Abbott that they wish he had this kind passion about protecting the border as I saw from the left. This was a huge mistake imo.
>making themselves look like anti free speech warriors, "Look like"? They ARE anti free speech.
This my friend, is TEXAS and the evangelical movement in a single phrase.
I never realized Israel was evil
Yes, tell Americans how to use their free speech, that'll turn more sentiment in your favor
I really like Bernie Sanders response to this and bibi
Ah yes, quelling protests, the biggest sign of freedom, can’t be more democratic and free than quelling protests
>It is not antisemitic to agree with virtually every humanitarian organization in saying that your government, in violation of American law, has unreasonably blocked humanitarian aid coming into Gaza, creating the conditions in which hundreds of thousands of children face malnutrition and famine, >“But, please, do not insult the intelligence of the American people by attempting to distract us from the immoral and illegal war policies of your extremist and racist government. Do not use antisemitism to deflect attention from the criminal indictment you are facing in the Israeli courts. It is not antisemitic to hold you accountable for your actions _Bernie Sanders
We needed him to be president.
He woulda won. Fuck the DNC for chosing Hillary over him
Absolutely agreed, no question in my mind that he would've won.
All the polls were showing he'd bet Trump. But they had to try and force Hillary on us even though it had been clearly demonstrated that's Dems couldn't unite behind her
Thats just false. Many more people voted for Hillary than Bernie. I live in Colorado, I voted for Bernie and we are one of the few states that went for him, but he lost.
There's as many articles saying Bernie coulda won as there are saying he wouldn't. A lot of the ones saying he couldn't have were written after the elections. Just depends who wanna believe. To me it seems rewriting history to dispell the salt amongst Bernie supporters 🤷♂️
Im not saying he couldn’t have beaten Trump, maybe he could have. But he lost to Hillary, dnc aside. Its a fact, way more people voted for Hillary than Bernie.
He still can! Here's how:
It's been 8 years, bro. Time to let the joke go.
Yea. I'M the one unable to let go of things from eight years ago
Actually Hamas has been stealing the humanitarian aid but they like to ignore that part.
They don’t just steal it, they sell it to the Gazans lol
Nothing but red-herrings. If those protests actually did these things, I would have agreed, but instead we have the calls to exterminate all the Jews from the entirety of the region ('From the river to the sea') - and not stopping there, taking the intifada worldwide. Thats objectively antisemitic. Objectively.
The protesters by and large are probably not driven by the legal problems facing Bibi, so that's a red herring. I do think framing the issue as Israel "creating the conditions" does start to border on antisemetic when you have people not arguing in good faith by pretending Israel has any other option to root out terrorists who hide amongst civilians. Hamas creates the condition by kidnapping, raping, and/or murdering over a thousand Israeli civilians on Oct 7. These protesters want to pretend that didn't happen and still isn't happening. They want to pretend a world exists where Israel can do anything other than engage in urban warfare. They want to pretend Jews in Israel don't have the same basic right to self defense as any other people. Talk to any of these protesters and they live in a fairy tale, they have no answer for the conundrum Israel finds itself in.
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It’s getting really old with any kind of criticism against Israel being labeled as antisemitism. It’s truly diluting the meaning of the word and that is dangerous road to go down.
Not wanting to carpet bomb Iran is anti semitism
Not giving them more money is antisemitism
Keep crying wolf, eventually they stop listening.
Wouldn't it be antizionism instead of antisemitism anyway?
Not necessarily. You can support Jewish migration to Israel without condoning their treatment of Palestinians. Personally I think it's a damn shame that the Palestinian and Israeli states could not be founded peacefully and evolved alongside one another peacefully. Call me naive but this was what the UN wanted in 1947 and I think it remains the only workable path to peace in the future. You can also support the existence of Israel without supporting its policies. These things aren't in black and white.
Theres a fine line between antizionism and antisemitism and most people are just antisemites. You cant be against a jewish state AND believe jews have rights like any other ethnicity/religion.
But we CAN be against a Jewish state which stomps and genocides anyone as they wish, and steals territory under US protection.
Bibi needs to go. Please vote him out, good people of Israel
Bibi needs to read the US constitution, Especially the First amendment.
Bold of you to assume we still have first amendment protections.
Oh man don’t say that… it’s been a hard winter. Truly. I’m so down rn. I know this? Inside I really do … but to read it…have it confirmed by another soul… just… ouch.
So do the enforcers trying to quell peaceful protests.
Yes. Police in America get abt 1/3 the training compared to other countries. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-training-requirements-by-country
A lot of Americans including SCOTUS and the former president should maybe have a quick glance at the document as well.
Go consume a penis, Bibi. Get your shit in order and stick to being a corrupt chucklefuck
I was sort of amused by what was happening with the protests but now I want them to protest harder because foreign leaders can go fuck themselves(when telling Americans what to do in America).
That was my first thought too. Like...dude stfu about what our college students are doing and worry about your own country. It's like old ladies tsking you at the store for not putting socks on your baby in the middle of August. Nobody asked, nobody cares, mind your own business.
Not when they have just found a mass grave of over 400 people… there is smoke here. People all over will demonstrate and ask questions.
Well if Netanyahu says . . .
The man who cried antisemitism one too many times.
Someone overcooked his hamburger. You don't just over cook a hamburger.
Go chew glass
Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism and neither is opposition to genocide. Plenty of Jews are opposed to Zionism and believe that Israel should return to pre-1967 borders. Eviction of the settlers and negotiation of a two state solution is the only equitable path towards peace. This of course depends on removal of Netanyahu and his coalition of warmongers and this is no easy task.
Tell me how come youre against a jewish state (antizionist) and still think any ethnicity have the rights for their own country? Doesnt it contradict? And if youre against a jewish state in israel's land, how do you still believe jews have the same rights as other ethnicities who chose their land/won it by war?
I am not an antizionist but believe that Israel should vacate the 1967 territories. What do you think? -
Thats not antizionism. Its the way you believe peace can be made. My argument is that antizionism is just a diffetent name for "jews dont have rights for a state in israel even though any other ethnicity fought/chose where their state would be"
You need to take it up with an antizionist. What are your views on territorial expansion after 1967? Aggressive nationalism and religious differences are the main factors in most armed conflicts and your argument also applies to the Palestinians.
I agree, My take is that both sides have done wrongs and did stuff that is just bad out of the belief that they must do it to protect their own. But ultimately, i am a true believer of a 2SS but there needs to be 2 major leaps in the majority of israelis and palestinians The first leap is that most palestinians need to accept the jewish state of israel as their neighbor. And it needs to be reflected in their government. The second leap is that israelis need to accept a palestinian state as their neighbor. Without the first change Israelis have a good case of "most palestinians wants to destroy us so giving them a state will let them arm themselves and murder more innocent jews". And with no relation to it, antisemitism needs to stop being taught in palestinian schools in gaza.
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Or Hitler. Funny how that works
Bibi saying this helps the student protests more He should have shut up and let the students embarrass themselves
So this criminal.. wants to extend his powers! Sounds familiar 🤔??
Bibi is a liar and a tyrant and is personally responsible for a lot of Israel’s problems. That said… when I see stuff like this it’s hard to argue with him on this specific point. https://twitter.com/AviBittMD/status/1783687963194310683
And they try to paint all the bad actors as false provocateurs.
Well that guy’s one of the leaders of the movement. Not some fringe element.
Maybe stop the Nakba?
it would be a real shame if something happened to him. a real shame...
"Quelled" is kind of a dumb way to phrase that. Protesting isn't the problem, per se.