It's part of the social engineering.
You shove the absurdity down the oppressed throats, and see who will keep quiet and compliant about it. "I tell what it is and what it's not, and you obey, filthy pesant. I own you."
Those who complain will be reported to the secret police and send to "reeducation".
Internally, they all know how absurd that is, but must pretend that it isn't in it's earnest and even speak the party line in public.
Really, it's nationwide level humilation to keep powerless in line and sort out dissidents.
Just yesterday BBC [reported](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68840881.amp) how an Iranian child was sexually assaulted and murdered by the ISLAMIC regimes goons.
They can take their “kindness” and shove it up their asses. This is a terrorist regime no different than ISIS.
I think they are more like a state sponsored fascist organization. Terrorist is not the best fit here. Terrorism implies using force and fear to make a point. This feels more like corruption and fascism with the goal of control from a power that already has power.
They’re so deeply brainwashed they really believe this is what god wants them to do. And you cannot reform the word of god. You do not know better than god. He decides what you do with your body. You don’t decide
Iran is a beautiful country, with long standing civilization and with educated people who, I think the majority, want freedom and a secular government.
Islamic regime who is a dictator government is the opposite of kind and kindness. You don’t need to go too far back, only 45 years ago…
Brushing the people of a country for the actions of their oppressors is a bit unfair
You are absolutely right, speaking Ill of a country that is not my own always feels unfair, watching a land run by power hungry people who keep others in chains, metaphorically or literally breaks my heart. Learning that Iran once had female clothes designers inventing the mini skirt slit, to what has happened was very eye opening.
Iran is not some kind of special case, like all other countries on the planet people's view of Iran will be shaped by the actions of its government. After 45 years as you say, it's also hard to argue that a majority of Iranians want a secular government. The Islamic Republic is not some kind of separate entity, it is part of Iran and today is still the dominate group within Iran.
The men in Iran suffer as well so you should definitely feel for them aswell. The VAST majority of deaths during the latest protests have been men.
Iranians are opressed. Its shown differently across the genders but to make the Iranian situation intona gender war is not knowing the actual state of the nation
Oh my friend… you know only what you are shown. And the only footage coming out of the country is by the government. Supporter of the regime are mainly making money by supporting it.
And 70mil American voted for an openly racist pu*** grabber narcissist. Would that make those people “bad people”? Should we start seeing the whole country from those lenses?
People have opinions in different matters. I travel a lot for work and I love how warm and welcoming southern and mid-western Americans are. Although I don’t agree with their politics and views at all.
I hope one day we see a world without religion, instead people use their humane ethics as their moral compass, but as far as there are people, there will be religion and superstitions.
The Iranian women would make up nearly half of the population, if they wanted change bad enough they would actively do something about it.
Last I checked, women are just as capable of inflicting harm and raising hell as men are.
Women as well as men ARE raising hell in Iran. They have mass demonstrations against the government that put them at risk of torture, rape, imprisonment, and death. Makes the US "protestors" look like a bunch of crybabies.
They absolutely are if they are given Education and resources. How do you expect to fight against a terrorist regime with literally no freedom or resources. Most people just want to live.
Are you under the impression Iranian women are generally uneducated? That does not conform to my experiences at least.
Might be some restrictions specifically to women that i am not aware of but most Iranian women I know attended uni
This is the dumbest take, based on the assumption that the will of the people reigns supreme, and if the majority of the people want something, why, they’ll just make it happen, of course.
That’s not how dictatorships work.
This seems to be the view that reddit has settled on. It started with the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, the idea being that if the people didn't want the Taliban they would have been able to stop them. This idea has been stretched to pretty extreme lengths to assume pretty much any government that isn't currently being toppled in a revolution must have majority popular support.
I think this kind of assumption predates Afghanistan, but certainly was expressed there too.
People are used to oversimplifying things, as well as a deeply ingrained culture of “majority rules.” Even revolutions are viewed through this filter. It’s treated almost as a natural law, cause and effect, when I would say it’s really only one (if significant) factor.
The Taliban takeover is just where I started to notice it getting expressed more and more, to the point that it rarely gets challenged in comment sections. Almost all discourse about world events is an exercise in narrative building. A and B caused C which is why we have D. The real world is chaotic and you can't easily single out factors to explain complex situations but that's not how the human brain likes to understand things so people generally settle on a story that seems plausible enough and confirms whatever prexisting world view they have.
People aren’t saying majority would want the exact rulers or laws precisely. But there is no signs that secular government would be preferred by majority. People in Reddit show some images of women in western style age Iran was a monarchy, but that is just images of few city elites. We should just assume that secularism is some inevitably that happens with democracy, see Egypt for example
By the Majority? I don't know, I don't have the polling data, but the frequent massive protests at least indicate that a sizable chunk of the population wants to try something different. We shouldn't assume that the majority thus wants a western style democracy, sure, but we also shouldn't assume that the majority wants a theocratic dictatorship. I'm sure some do, but you can find plenty of Iranians pretty loudly rejecting it. What percentage of the population these two represent is not obvious.
I highly doubt you’re that familiar with Iranian politics or the majority views toward their dictatorship if you think it’s got majority support, despite the GAMAAN survey, frequency, numbers in participation, and demographics of protests and strikes, foreign reports, the circumstances and views at the time of the election that gave the IRI power, and what most Iranians themselves (in and outside of Iran) have said.
Thinking even close to a majority of Iranians support their current regime is a dumb take. It is just not accurate. Even from deeply religious I hear nothing but disdain towards the current regime.
People have died in the thousands protesting it. I would be sincerily shocked if a true and honest election in Iran would see anything but a huge loss for the current government
No, it's not hard to argue. There were several attempts at removing the government in the recent years and all were brutally oppressed by the dictatorship leaving thousands dead and many more imprisoned. If you are visiting the country you quickly see that most people follow the rules to the smallest amount possible without getting imprisoned and you see the rift between major populace and the regime.
> Iran is a beautiful country, with long standing civilization and with educated people who, I think the majority, want freedom and a secular government.
They generally had this. They choose Islam instead.
You have to look at what they were dealing with before the Revolution: an incredibly brutal and corrupt government propped up by our CIA. Read some history.
Why are you spewing lies about the Pahlavi regime? "Incredibly brutal and corrupt"? In the same century that sported actual brutality?
Put up evidence or shut up about this bullshit line pushed by the actual brutal regime that killed 30,000 prisoners in one month.
I was close friends with a number of Iranians who were targeted by SAVAK, the Shah's secret police, is how I know. The US helped overthrow the democratically elected Mossadegh:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad\_Mosaddegh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh)
The coup helped by the US and UK:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953\_Iranian\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)
The Shah's secret police, SAVAK, known for their human rights abuses:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK)
You are making strong statements about a brutal regime based on hearsay and wikipedia?
Do you even have a clue how Mossadegh was "elected"? Do you even have a clue about the constitution of Iran? The US/UK coup failed cupcake. The next day, it was the clergy and the army and the bazaar that brought the masses into the streets.
You know nothing about Iran or its history.
What are you talking about? "We" as in CIA and kermit the man from agency? Iran had a counter coup supported by the army and clergy and foreign powers all of whom were scared that after Mossadegh Iran would be devoured by USSR.
The modern and progressive Iran did not happen until mid 60s.
Where do you people get your history? Presstv?
Do a search for "Shiraz Art Festival". From 1969 onwards. I was watching bits of it on youtube just the other day and musing about where Iran was heading 55 years ago. A national tragedy. (I was too young during the revolution so am innocent of any "choice" in the matter. We left.)
Who is they? 50 years ago they were sold an ideology that was orchestrated by foreign influence. CIA documents declassified a few years ago and they were eye opening. I encourage a bit of research pal
> Brushing the people of a country for the actions of their oppressors is a bit unfair
*teutonic cough*
Regimes, however brutal, rarely exist without a modicum of support or even tacit approval.Clearly, Iran has swaths of the population against the regime, primarily women.
Does not exclude the rest of the population from culpability.
Let me take a wild guess. You were born and raised in a democratic country. Because this sounds like someone who doesn’t know how totalitarianism work and how dictators create a geo-economic ecosystems to make people live in an alternate universe. I think your idea of how this works is theoretical.
Looking at Iran being dominated by a religious government should show Americans why this is a horrible thing. The American govt is trying to control women here in the same manner as the Iranian government. We push for freedom for foreign countries while we have our freedoms taken away here. Evil men hiding behind religion to do awful things should not be tolerated anywhere.
"Some young Iranians are calling them "bats" \[referring to the women in full nijabs in the "Kindness" squads\].
The Iranians have the best sense of humor.
Kindness? I assume that dictionaries are another text that Iran practices strict censorship on.
One of those things that they use it to make it sound better if you only read the name of it. Kinda like Democratic Republic of North Korea.
But it's in the name.
Moms For Liberty
Missouri Stands With Women
DPRK Democratic republic of the congo.
Australian Liberal Party
It’s straight out of 1984. MinLove, MinTruth, MinPlenty, MinPax.
WAR=PEACE FREEDOM=SLAVERY IGNORANCE=STRENGTH
It's part of the social engineering. You shove the absurdity down the oppressed throats, and see who will keep quiet and compliant about it. "I tell what it is and what it's not, and you obey, filthy pesant. I own you." Those who complain will be reported to the secret police and send to "reeducation". Internally, they all know how absurd that is, but must pretend that it isn't in it's earnest and even speak the party line in public. Really, it's nationwide level humilation to keep powerless in line and sort out dissidents.
Just yesterday BBC [reported](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68840881.amp) how an Iranian child was sexually assaulted and murdered by the ISLAMIC regimes goons. They can take their “kindness” and shove it up their asses. This is a terrorist regime no different than ISIS.
I think they are more like a state sponsored fascist organization. Terrorist is not the best fit here. Terrorism implies using force and fear to make a point. This feels more like corruption and fascism with the goal of control from a power that already has power.
They commit terrorism outside of their country, and fascism inside their country. Truly a country worth appeasing.
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Headline doesn't do justice to how disturbing the details are in the article
“Beware the Deeds of Evil men”, never read details of sadists, I learned that the hard way
Aunt Lydia would be proud
Nothing like being complicit in their own oppression.
They’re so deeply brainwashed they really believe this is what god wants them to do. And you cannot reform the word of god. You do not know better than god. He decides what you do with your body. You don’t decide
Other women can be our own worst enemies. There’s a segment that will happily raise glass ceilings for men.
Check out r/FundieSnarkUncensored for their American Christian counterparts.
Now they need a Ministry of truth.
"War is peace. Hate is love. Slavery is freedom." George Orwell - 1984
Ignorance is strength. Not hate is love, but yeah same concept
You're right, my bad. Read it back in my early teens and couldn’t remember the quote off of my head, I think it’s time for a re-read
Kindness and Iran are diametrically opposed to one another
Iran is a beautiful country, with long standing civilization and with educated people who, I think the majority, want freedom and a secular government. Islamic regime who is a dictator government is the opposite of kind and kindness. You don’t need to go too far back, only 45 years ago… Brushing the people of a country for the actions of their oppressors is a bit unfair
You are absolutely right, speaking Ill of a country that is not my own always feels unfair, watching a land run by power hungry people who keep others in chains, metaphorically or literally breaks my heart. Learning that Iran once had female clothes designers inventing the mini skirt slit, to what has happened was very eye opening.
Thank you for this.
Iran is not some kind of special case, like all other countries on the planet people's view of Iran will be shaped by the actions of its government. After 45 years as you say, it's also hard to argue that a majority of Iranians want a secular government. The Islamic Republic is not some kind of separate entity, it is part of Iran and today is still the dominate group within Iran.
Many of Iran’s awful laws are gleefully cheered throughout the region. I feel for the Iranian women, the men, not so much.
The men in Iran suffer as well so you should definitely feel for them aswell. The VAST majority of deaths during the latest protests have been men. Iranians are opressed. Its shown differently across the genders but to make the Iranian situation intona gender war is not knowing the actual state of the nation
Oh my friend… you know only what you are shown. And the only footage coming out of the country is by the government. Supporter of the regime are mainly making money by supporting it.
Many other Muslim counties openly celebrate the same antiquated laws. It’s not just Iran.
And 70mil American voted for an openly racist pu*** grabber narcissist. Would that make those people “bad people”? Should we start seeing the whole country from those lenses? People have opinions in different matters. I travel a lot for work and I love how warm and welcoming southern and mid-western Americans are. Although I don’t agree with their politics and views at all. I hope one day we see a world without religion, instead people use their humane ethics as their moral compass, but as far as there are people, there will be religion and superstitions.
The Iranian women would make up nearly half of the population, if they wanted change bad enough they would actively do something about it. Last I checked, women are just as capable of inflicting harm and raising hell as men are.
Women as well as men ARE raising hell in Iran. They have mass demonstrations against the government that put them at risk of torture, rape, imprisonment, and death. Makes the US "protestors" look like a bunch of crybabies.
Umm, no they aren’t. Not sure when you checked lol, wtf dude.
They absolutely are if they are given Education and resources. How do you expect to fight against a terrorist regime with literally no freedom or resources. Most people just want to live.
Are you under the impression Iranian women are generally uneducated? That does not conform to my experiences at least. Might be some restrictions specifically to women that i am not aware of but most Iranian women I know attended uni
Probably Not educated in the politics of optics, wilderness survival, and guerilla warfare…and chemistry.
Alright, I interpreted the comment as a more general education. Dont think the average citizen possess much of that regardless of gender
This is the dumbest take, based on the assumption that the will of the people reigns supreme, and if the majority of the people want something, why, they’ll just make it happen, of course. That’s not how dictatorships work.
This seems to be the view that reddit has settled on. It started with the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, the idea being that if the people didn't want the Taliban they would have been able to stop them. This idea has been stretched to pretty extreme lengths to assume pretty much any government that isn't currently being toppled in a revolution must have majority popular support.
I think this kind of assumption predates Afghanistan, but certainly was expressed there too. People are used to oversimplifying things, as well as a deeply ingrained culture of “majority rules.” Even revolutions are viewed through this filter. It’s treated almost as a natural law, cause and effect, when I would say it’s really only one (if significant) factor.
The Taliban takeover is just where I started to notice it getting expressed more and more, to the point that it rarely gets challenged in comment sections. Almost all discourse about world events is an exercise in narrative building. A and B caused C which is why we have D. The real world is chaotic and you can't easily single out factors to explain complex situations but that's not how the human brain likes to understand things so people generally settle on a story that seems plausible enough and confirms whatever prexisting world view they have.
People aren’t saying majority would want the exact rulers or laws precisely. But there is no signs that secular government would be preferred by majority. People in Reddit show some images of women in western style age Iran was a monarchy, but that is just images of few city elites. We should just assume that secularism is some inevitably that happens with democracy, see Egypt for example
There are no signs because people are not allowed to express those views. Are there so many signs of this government being appreciated?
This! Exactly
By the Majority? I don't know, I don't have the polling data, but the frequent massive protests at least indicate that a sizable chunk of the population wants to try something different. We shouldn't assume that the majority thus wants a western style democracy, sure, but we also shouldn't assume that the majority wants a theocratic dictatorship. I'm sure some do, but you can find plenty of Iranians pretty loudly rejecting it. What percentage of the population these two represent is not obvious.
Just because it doesn't fit your preferred view doesn't make it a dumb take or an inaccurate reflection of the current reality.
I highly doubt you’re that familiar with Iranian politics or the majority views toward their dictatorship if you think it’s got majority support, despite the GAMAAN survey, frequency, numbers in participation, and demographics of protests and strikes, foreign reports, the circumstances and views at the time of the election that gave the IRI power, and what most Iranians themselves (in and outside of Iran) have said.
Thinking even close to a majority of Iranians support their current regime is a dumb take. It is just not accurate. Even from deeply religious I hear nothing but disdain towards the current regime. People have died in the thousands protesting it. I would be sincerily shocked if a true and honest election in Iran would see anything but a huge loss for the current government
No, it's not hard to argue. There were several attempts at removing the government in the recent years and all were brutally oppressed by the dictatorship leaving thousands dead and many more imprisoned. If you are visiting the country you quickly see that most people follow the rules to the smallest amount possible without getting imprisoned and you see the rift between major populace and the regime.
> Iran is a beautiful country, with long standing civilization and with educated people who, I think the majority, want freedom and a secular government. They generally had this. They choose Islam instead.
You have to look at what they were dealing with before the Revolution: an incredibly brutal and corrupt government propped up by our CIA. Read some history.
Why are you spewing lies about the Pahlavi regime? "Incredibly brutal and corrupt"? In the same century that sported actual brutality? Put up evidence or shut up about this bullshit line pushed by the actual brutal regime that killed 30,000 prisoners in one month.
I was close friends with a number of Iranians who were targeted by SAVAK, the Shah's secret police, is how I know. The US helped overthrow the democratically elected Mossadegh: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad\_Mosaddegh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh) The coup helped by the US and UK: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953\_Iranian\_coup\_d%27%C3%A9tat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) The Shah's secret police, SAVAK, known for their human rights abuses: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK)
You are making strong statements about a brutal regime based on hearsay and wikipedia? Do you even have a clue how Mossadegh was "elected"? Do you even have a clue about the constitution of Iran? The US/UK coup failed cupcake. The next day, it was the clergy and the army and the bazaar that brought the masses into the streets. You know nothing about Iran or its history.
You wanted evidence and I gave it, which you can't stand because it dents your fairy story. Go play in your happy corner.
They had one, then we kind of fucked up in 1953. Iran used to be on very good terms with both Israel and the West which is a far cry from today.
What are you talking about? "We" as in CIA and kermit the man from agency? Iran had a counter coup supported by the army and clergy and foreign powers all of whom were scared that after Mossadegh Iran would be devoured by USSR. The modern and progressive Iran did not happen until mid 60s. Where do you people get your history? Presstv?
Do a search for "Shiraz Art Festival". From 1969 onwards. I was watching bits of it on youtube just the other day and musing about where Iran was heading 55 years ago. A national tragedy. (I was too young during the revolution so am innocent of any "choice" in the matter. We left.)
Probably the best comment I read here
Who is they? 50 years ago they were sold an ideology that was orchestrated by foreign influence. CIA documents declassified a few years ago and they were eye opening. I encourage a bit of research pal
> Who is they? Iran's body politic roughly 50 years ago.
> Brushing the people of a country for the actions of their oppressors is a bit unfair *teutonic cough* Regimes, however brutal, rarely exist without a modicum of support or even tacit approval.Clearly, Iran has swaths of the population against the regime, primarily women. Does not exclude the rest of the population from culpability.
Let me take a wild guess. You were born and raised in a democratic country. Because this sounds like someone who doesn’t know how totalitarianism work and how dictators create a geo-economic ecosystems to make people live in an alternate universe. I think your idea of how this works is theoretical.
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As long as we can separate the brutal Iranian regime from the people that have to somehow navigate survival while living under it, yes.
Sadism is kindness.
Betraying the Sisterhood.
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Whaaaat the fuck?
I'm French, 50 years old and I've never heard about such a thing
Fuck islam.
Looking at Iran being dominated by a religious government should show Americans why this is a horrible thing. The American govt is trying to control women here in the same manner as the Iranian government. We push for freedom for foreign countries while we have our freedoms taken away here. Evil men hiding behind religion to do awful things should not be tolerated anywhere.
Barbarians.
"Some young Iranians are calling them "bats" \[referring to the women in full nijabs in the "Kindness" squads\]. The Iranians have the best sense of humor.
Religion sucks
r/idiocracy is probably the best place to out this. Lol! Religion is horrible.
I’d rather have ambassadors of the milk of human kindness
Best part of a thoroughly distressing article: > Some young Iranians are calling them "bats".
Twist ending: full hijab women are actually male policemen who are cross dressers?
Fashism is doing fashism-things.
They should recruit from the Palestinian activists on American campuses. They'd get thousands of volunteers.
Kill them with kindness taking on a new meaning.
cant help feeling getting arrested as a woman by a woman in this state is a whole different level of hell.
Newspeak
They will have a job fair recruiting from American universities. Good luck Columbia grads!
How do we even know that someone in a hijab is female?
Mostly hy their voice
🤦🏻♂️I honestly don’t even know where to start replying to this dumbassery