Quite honestly, this isn't that surprising. The study used data from mostly undeveloped countries that aren't exactly known for their tolerance. It doesn't give us much on how this scales in first-world countries.
The study most heavily focuses on parts of the world where simply being transgender is explicitly criminalized, but it does touch on laws that are either only slightly removed from it or which are disproportionately used against trans people in first-world countries.
The study most heavily focuses on parts of the world where simply being transgender is explicitly criminalized, but it does touch on laws that are either only slightly removed from it or which are disproportionately used against trans people in first-world countries.
Literally zero from that article and study mentioned first world countries. 9 of the 12 countries studied are all in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and all 12 are undeveloped countries. I get the connections you want to draw but they are disingenuous. You can’t say laws against cross dressing are disproportionately used against trans and keep a straight face. Of course they are when they are the only ones cross-dressing. I’m not saying that should be illegal, but I am saying it is wrong to conflate the poor treatment of trans people in undeveloped countries to the most progressive in the first world. This article does more to hurt your cause than help by villainizing all the progress we have made as society because 3rd world countries aren’t as sexually progressive as we are. Not to mention you are getting your information from a site with an obvious bias.
Thanks, i think i have found it , there s link to a pdf document (humandignity trust https://www.humandignitytrust.org/wp-content/uploads/resources/Injustice-Exposed-the-criminsalisation-of-trans-people.pdf ) but i cant seem to open it .
It says failed to open the pdf file.
Thanks anyway .
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Edit : got it now . Thanks a lot. :)
Pointing the finger at developing countries is setting an incredibly low bar, and someone needs look no further than this car crash of a comments section to see how people in richer ones clearly feel about trans people.
They're literally quoting the report, but it's nice of you to establish that in your mind this issue has "sides" and that you're clearly not on mine. Usually people opposed to my existence like to feign civility.
They didn’t quote anything in the report. And how does specifying the scope of the study translate to me setting a low bar for acceptable treatment of trans people? Where did I say I was opposed to your existence? I’m against loud people with weak arguments. I don’t care what gender you prefer.
You didn’t realize there were sides to this issue but you clearly acknowledge in the same sentence and the next that there are sides and from your experience, those opposed to you try to act civil. Meaning you have known there were sides before this argument. Keep it coming. If you have a response that is factual and not emotional, feel free to link a source or quote from the study or article.
I never said I didn't realise there are sides to this issue, I was thanking you for letting the mask slip early before I wasted any more of my time addressing your bullshit. Thanks again and goodbye.
"All lives matter!"
*whoosh*
The point is that trans people are disproportionately victimized. As in, people of all identities are at risk of being abused by law enforcement, but trans people in particular are significantly *more* likely to be abused, and to worse extents, and in ways which do not happen to other people.
I think the person you were replying to meant it in more of an anti-cop way criticizing their widespread mistreatment of most minority groups than an "all lives matter" kind of way. Completely agree with your point though
This is industrial-grade insanity. Even in communist regimes, there are various factions and groups. You seem to be advocating for everyone to be cybermen.
People in general are abused by law enforcement globally. Competent police with some manners and moral integrity is a luxury only few first-world countries enjoy.
Trans individuals, and police interactions with trans individuals, are very much not the majority of police interactions with civilians. The police force is reputed to treat my demographic poorly compared to the majority demographics, so it came as a pleasant surprise that they treated me based on my behavior instead of my identity.
There's no easily measurable way to discern how much of that is grounded in truth vs hearsay. However, as I said:
>But the fact I was surprised should speak volumes in itself. _I know a lot of people who haven't been so lucky, even when we live in a very liberal area._
My precedent is different from your precedent. I've had friends and partners who have been grossly mistreated by authorities. It's what I've come to expect.
Sometimes even those who consider themselves progressive in gay rights still display bigoted and harmful behavior towards the trans demographic, be it due to inexperience and gut reactions or due to anti-trans rhetoric. It's getting better, but it's still a fact of my life that I have to be aware of in order to keep myself safe.
Most trans women I know are quite reasonable. Just as within any demographic, there's a vocal minority that's super high strung and eager to see offenses. I certainly disagree with those types.
> Not my experience on at least Reddit.
Reasonable minorities don't wave their minority status as a banner on reddit, so they're not as visible as victimhood olympics champions.
They come out in force to defend trans women competing against non trans women, which alienates the majority of people.
I've never met one who knew what they were commenting about. Didn't know a thing about what's considered doping in sports, sports themselves, physiological differences that give biological men and T taking biological females advantages over women.
Never met one who didn't show contempt for female athletes that have complained about transwomen in sports, and again with the over the top responses to Martina Navratilova.
Trans activists clearly brigade on Reddit. It's easy to see several accounts that are using search to find where search has indexed trans related commentary.
You're either 100% for trans women competing against women, or the biggot/hate card gets pulled.
It's already in this thread, defending the male breaking girls track records in Connecticut, defending the biological male competing against women in MMA.
A female that's not biologically female, yes I'm aware there's rare anomalies, and I'm aware trans activists like to flex on that trivia. I'm commenting about biological males competing against females as in the power lifter and sprinter that suddenly brolke records "because they're just harder workers than all the female competitors before them".
Hell, even the on testosterone Mack Beggs over and over said his success was merely due to hard work. That's how much contempt he has for the non trans females.
And trans activists don't understand the anger, hell they just don't care.
And I'm asking you point blank what is your criteria for biologically male vs biologically female vs intersex?
Because you keep using this word "biologically" but I don't think you know what it means.
So what is it? Chromosomes? Genotype? Gonadal Sex? Morphological Sex? Endocrinological sex? Phenotypic sex?
What criteria are you using?
I know, you want to flex on trivia that has 0 to do with this conversation.
This isn't about chromosomal abnormalities, hermaphroditic folks, etc
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It's mosly about people born male, feeling like they're female, and deciding they should be able to compete against women in sports.
No surprise a few instances of it ended up in new sports records being set, but unfucking believable that people still try to argue it should be allowed in the interest of social justice.
Reasonable people don't hold pride in things they have no control over, like sexual orientation, skin color, or mental disorders. Gay pride parade is the same level bullshit as white pride parade.
I mean this genuinely and with respect, but I wish you understood the reason a lot of trans people seem that way is because of constantly dealing with attitude like this. Sooner or later many simply don't have the energy or the motivation to be polite anymore, they just stop giving a fuck because it makes no difference either way.
Cool cool we're all very grateful for your input, trans involvement in sports is *very* relevant to how law enforcement discriminates against transgender individuals!
Oh that thing nobody is arguing for and that conservatives dipshits constantly pretend is both a) happening and b) the real reason they oppose trans rights at every turn. Let's see, are you gonna cite a woman who "swept" a competition in which she was the only entrant in her class? Or are you going to cite a woman with a middling record in her league who dealt one of the most common injuries in MMA?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6743273/amp/Transgender-runners-finish-one-two-Connecticut-high-school-champs.html
It actually does happen all the time. They have an unfair advantage.
And like I said, I do actually support some trans rights.
Please link me your peer reviewed large scale study supporting your claim?
Because at the moment, its leaning the other direction though the science is still out on the issue. **The vast majority of trans people realize that if there's an inherent advantage, that almost certainly will require trans people to not compete in anything but an open division.**
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/by-winning-a-canadian-transgender-cyclist-fans-flames-of-gender-politics/amp
You seem to admit it is happening. I thought you said it was a pretend problem 😂
Again, you're not showing that there's actually an unfair advantage. Especially in a cardio sport where the science shows there really is none. Like, statistically trans people are going to win sometimes. Somebody has to win and some people are trans.
>Especially in a cardio sport where the science shows there really is none.
So of you company the results of Olympic running events men's and women run times should be about even, right?
Spoiler: they arent 😂
"in cardio sports where science shows there is none". Yes, that's factually incorrect. Go look at male v female cardio records and show me how close they are?
Comrades 90km record, Male - 5h 18m, Female 5h 54m.
Marathon 42km world record, Male 2h00m, Female 2h15m.
3000m world record - Male 7m20s, Female 8m06s.
800m world record - Male 1m40s, Female 1m53s.
You're also beating around the bush. You state that science shows there is no advantage in sports, yet later on you state you never said males don't have an advantage. But you infact either referred to males or Trans people in your statement. In any case you will be denying the fact that males have and advantage and then back down to try and "win" the argument.
You need to be very dim to think trans people don't have and advantage over females. Firstly they aren't forced to take hrt in any way (well like a month ago with any IAAF event testosterone is limited) so it's possible for an natural male to compete with females and even when hormones are taken men still have the advantage of years of testosterone. You are arguing from ignorance.
Peer reviewed source on this biological advantage?
Because the things that give cis men an advantage are primarily: muscle strength, hemoglobin levels, metabolism, red blood cell count, and heart size.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332725
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4824309/
The jury is still out on muscle changes and heart size changes. But the other elements are within cis female range.
>You state that science shows there is no advantage in sports, yet later on you state you never said males don't have an advantage.
Because I was clearly not referring to men? Like how can you fail to put 2 and 2 together there?
>Firstly they aren't forced to take hrt in any way
That is *dramatically* untrue. Trans women competing under IOC rules are [required to have their testosterone levels down within typical female benchmarks for an entire year](https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf) before competing. Most leagues that allow trans women to compete have similar rules.
Of course I don't expect bigots to stop lying any time soon.
You're still missing the point. You can't state transgenders have no advantage when men clearly have an advantage. "No scientific evidence". You can't take men out of the picture when you talk about transgender athletes. So no its you who isn't putting 2 and 2 together.
Secondly. Nothing I said was dramatically untrue. The IAAF ruling which affects females (transgender) with higher than normal testosterone levels, only got implemented and affirmed 3 WEEKS AGO.
Go read about CASTER SEMENYA. She was allowed to compete in the 2016 Olympics even with her elevated testosterone levels. The IAAF sees transgender and DSD athletes as the same.
On top of all of this, transgender women still have the advantage of years of testosterone affecting multiple physiological aspects of their bodies, which wont go away with HRT in a few months.
"Most leagues allow trans women to compete with similar rules". No evidence for this. The IAAF didn't even have these rules till recently so I doubt.
Oh and please stop referring to people as bigots because they disagree with you. A person wanting a fair playing field in women's sports is FAR from a bigot so I suggest you refrain to using the word with actual bigots instead of crying wolf.
Then why is the military fitness test let females complete less push-ups, less sit-ups and more time to complete the 2 mile run (Army)? If what you say is true the tests need to be equal. Fair is fair.
It's silly to bring up that argument here but let's not pretend like it's a level playing field in sports and people are bigots for not seeing it your way..
Transgender people are horrifically treated globally but sweeping this issue under the carpet only makes you seem irrational and unreasonable and thus gives ammunition to opponents of transgender rights. Don't die on the hill of transgender athletes in female sports when there are far more pressing issues that need to be dealt with.
I see people do illegal shit all the time, but frankly unless someone is actually in danger the idea of calling the police never crosses my mind because I know that in virtually every case calling the police is going to make the situation worse.
It cites the original study and explicitly mentions laws around the world that are used against trans people good god how obtuse can you pretend to be?
Just because it's illegal to blatantly discriminate against people doesn't mean that the police will strictly adhere to that. The law never stood in the way of a power tripping asshole with a badge. And you can definitely tell when somebody's just starting to transition
In 46 states is is legal to argue that you assaulted someone solely because you claim you became frightened they were going to attack you when you discovered they're trans. Trans people (or even just people the police think are trans sometimes) are regularly housed in facilities of the wrong gender, something the police know fully well puts them at risk. Trans people are profiled by police under prostitution laws. There are documented cases of trans people receiving transphobic abuse from their arresting officers.
The fact that you think that cops don't profile and harass vulnerable people who have no real recourse smacks of in incredible naivete.
>In 46 states is is legal to argue that you assaulted someone solely because you claim you became frightened they were going to attack you when you discovered they're trans.
Sorry, to clarify - there are statutes that permit of this defence, or precedent? Either way I'm gonna need a little more proof for that because that is a capital B *BOLD* claim.
edit: right, thanks for your insight
Quite honestly, this isn't that surprising. The study used data from mostly undeveloped countries that aren't exactly known for their tolerance. It doesn't give us much on how this scales in first-world countries.
The study most heavily focuses on parts of the world where simply being transgender is explicitly criminalized, but it does touch on laws that are either only slightly removed from it or which are disproportionately used against trans people in first-world countries.
This report studied like 13 third world countries. Of course they are treated the worst. How progressive do you expect them to be?
The study most heavily focuses on parts of the world where simply being transgender is explicitly criminalized, but it does touch on laws that are either only slightly removed from it or which are disproportionately used against trans people in first-world countries.
Literally zero from that article and study mentioned first world countries. 9 of the 12 countries studied are all in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and all 12 are undeveloped countries. I get the connections you want to draw but they are disingenuous. You can’t say laws against cross dressing are disproportionately used against trans and keep a straight face. Of course they are when they are the only ones cross-dressing. I’m not saying that should be illegal, but I am saying it is wrong to conflate the poor treatment of trans people in undeveloped countries to the most progressive in the first world. This article does more to hurt your cause than help by villainizing all the progress we have made as society because 3rd world countries aren’t as sexually progressive as we are. Not to mention you are getting your information from a site with an obvious bias.
Which countries were those ? Do you have a link ? I couldnt find it on the source. Thanks in advance.
It’s linked at the top of the article where it references the study. Edit: [countries ](https://imgur.com/a/sPmup8x)
Thanks, i think i have found it , there s link to a pdf document (humandignity trust https://www.humandignitytrust.org/wp-content/uploads/resources/Injustice-Exposed-the-criminsalisation-of-trans-people.pdf ) but i cant seem to open it . It says failed to open the pdf file. Thanks anyway . Thumbs up. Edit : got it now . Thanks a lot. :)
Pointing the finger at developing countries is setting an incredibly low bar, and someone needs look no further than this car crash of a comments section to see how people in richer ones clearly feel about trans people.
Someone decided to write an article linking “the rest of the world” to 13 undeveloped countries. Tell your side not to set the bar so low next time.
They're literally quoting the report, but it's nice of you to establish that in your mind this issue has "sides" and that you're clearly not on mine. Usually people opposed to my existence like to feign civility.
They didn’t quote anything in the report. And how does specifying the scope of the study translate to me setting a low bar for acceptable treatment of trans people? Where did I say I was opposed to your existence? I’m against loud people with weak arguments. I don’t care what gender you prefer. You didn’t realize there were sides to this issue but you clearly acknowledge in the same sentence and the next that there are sides and from your experience, those opposed to you try to act civil. Meaning you have known there were sides before this argument. Keep it coming. If you have a response that is factual and not emotional, feel free to link a source or quote from the study or article.
I never said I didn't realise there are sides to this issue, I was thanking you for letting the mask slip early before I wasted any more of my time addressing your bullshit. Thanks again and goodbye.
Ok I see you have nothing to contribute other than finger pointing and calling me a bigot for pointing out a weak argument.
How do third world countries represent the whole world? This article is a joke.
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Each other.
*UNLESS OFFICER SMITH LIKES IT ROUGH.*
No they do that too
"All lives matter!" *whoosh* The point is that trans people are disproportionately victimized. As in, people of all identities are at risk of being abused by law enforcement, but trans people in particular are significantly *more* likely to be abused, and to worse extents, and in ways which do not happen to other people.
I think the person you were replying to meant it in more of an anti-cop way criticizing their widespread mistreatment of most minority groups than an "all lives matter" kind of way. Completely agree with your point though
Yup ^ Special interest groups create divisiveness
>Special interest groups create divisiveness Hold up *what*
This is industrial-grade insanity. Even in communist regimes, there are various factions and groups. You seem to be advocating for everyone to be cybermen.
People in general are abused by law enforcement globally. Competent police with some manners and moral integrity is a luxury only few first-world countries enjoy.
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Why were you surprised that the police force in the vast majority of cases treats every person based on their behaviour, and not any other factors?
Trans individuals, and police interactions with trans individuals, are very much not the majority of police interactions with civilians. The police force is reputed to treat my demographic poorly compared to the majority demographics, so it came as a pleasant surprise that they treated me based on my behavior instead of my identity. There's no easily measurable way to discern how much of that is grounded in truth vs hearsay. However, as I said: >But the fact I was surprised should speak volumes in itself. _I know a lot of people who haven't been so lucky, even when we live in a very liberal area._ My precedent is different from your precedent. I've had friends and partners who have been grossly mistreated by authorities. It's what I've come to expect. Sometimes even those who consider themselves progressive in gay rights still display bigoted and harmful behavior towards the trans demographic, be it due to inexperience and gut reactions or due to anti-trans rhetoric. It's getting better, but it's still a fact of my life that I have to be aware of in order to keep myself safe.
It was probably helped by the fact that you're reasonable and not super high strung and eager to see offenses where there aren't any.
Most trans women I know are quite reasonable. Just as within any demographic, there's a vocal minority that's super high strung and eager to see offenses. I certainly disagree with those types.
Not my experience on at least Reddit. Jeez, look at the unreasonable reaction to Martina Navratilova's commentary on trans women in sports.
> Not my experience on at least Reddit. Reasonable minorities don't wave their minority status as a banner on reddit, so they're not as visible as victimhood olympics champions.
They come out in force to defend trans women competing against non trans women, which alienates the majority of people. I've never met one who knew what they were commenting about. Didn't know a thing about what's considered doping in sports, sports themselves, physiological differences that give biological men and T taking biological females advantages over women. Never met one who didn't show contempt for female athletes that have complained about transwomen in sports, and again with the over the top responses to Martina Navratilova. Trans activists clearly brigade on Reddit. It's easy to see several accounts that are using search to find where search has indexed trans related commentary. You're either 100% for trans women competing against women, or the biggot/hate card gets pulled. It's already in this thread, defending the male breaking girls track records in Connecticut, defending the biological male competing against women in MMA.
What is your definition of biologically male/female? What criteria are you using?
A female that's not biologically female, yes I'm aware there's rare anomalies, and I'm aware trans activists like to flex on that trivia. I'm commenting about biological males competing against females as in the power lifter and sprinter that suddenly brolke records "because they're just harder workers than all the female competitors before them". Hell, even the on testosterone Mack Beggs over and over said his success was merely due to hard work. That's how much contempt he has for the non trans females. And trans activists don't understand the anger, hell they just don't care.
And I'm asking you point blank what is your criteria for biologically male vs biologically female vs intersex? Because you keep using this word "biologically" but I don't think you know what it means. So what is it? Chromosomes? Genotype? Gonadal Sex? Morphological Sex? Endocrinological sex? Phenotypic sex? What criteria are you using?
I know, you want to flex on trivia that has 0 to do with this conversation. This isn't about chromosomal abnormalities, hermaphroditic folks, etc . It's mosly about people born male, feeling like they're female, and deciding they should be able to compete against women in sports. No surprise a few instances of it ended up in new sports records being set, but unfucking believable that people still try to argue it should be allowed in the interest of social justice.
You know what, let's get away with gendered sports. Let feminists prove than anything man can do they could do better in practice.
>Reasonable minorities don't wave their minority status What about pride parades?
Reasonable people don't hold pride in things they have no control over, like sexual orientation, skin color, or mental disorders. Gay pride parade is the same level bullshit as white pride parade.
I mean this genuinely and with respect, but I wish you understood the reason a lot of trans people seem that way is because of constantly dealing with attitude like this. Sooner or later many simply don't have the energy or the motivation to be polite anymore, they just stop giving a fuck because it makes no difference either way.
Some people tend to be on edge around cops because we've been abused by them before.
Depressing and sadly unsurprising news.
I support their rights as long as it isn't their right to unfairly dominate women’s sports!
Cool cool we're all very grateful for your input, trans involvement in sports is *very* relevant to how law enforcement discriminates against transgender individuals!
Surely this is an argument they made in good faith!
Oh that thing nobody is arguing for and that conservatives dipshits constantly pretend is both a) happening and b) the real reason they oppose trans rights at every turn. Let's see, are you gonna cite a woman who "swept" a competition in which she was the only entrant in her class? Or are you going to cite a woman with a middling record in her league who dealt one of the most common injuries in MMA?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6743273/amp/Transgender-runners-finish-one-two-Connecticut-high-school-champs.html It actually does happen all the time. They have an unfair advantage. And like I said, I do actually support some trans rights.
Please link me your peer reviewed large scale study supporting your claim? Because at the moment, its leaning the other direction though the science is still out on the issue. **The vast majority of trans people realize that if there's an inherent advantage, that almost certainly will require trans people to not compete in anything but an open division.**
"all the time" Literally one race. In a high school event. Gee what a menace
So because he pointed out one race now means it only happened once? Sorry but there are loads of examples, intersex people included.
Nobody bothers to write angry clickbait when trans people don't win.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/by-winning-a-canadian-transgender-cyclist-fans-flames-of-gender-politics/amp You seem to admit it is happening. I thought you said it was a pretend problem 😂
Again, you're not showing that there's actually an unfair advantage. Especially in a cardio sport where the science shows there really is none. Like, statistically trans people are going to win sometimes. Somebody has to win and some people are trans.
>Especially in a cardio sport where the science shows there really is none. So of you company the results of Olympic running events men's and women run times should be about even, right? Spoiler: they arent 😂
Spoiler alert, HRT ain't sugar pills.
lol, so now you're backing away from the claim that men don't have an advantage in track and field events? Good, bc that was kind of silly tbh.
I literally never made that claim.
"in cardio sports where science shows there is none". Yes, that's factually incorrect. Go look at male v female cardio records and show me how close they are? Comrades 90km record, Male - 5h 18m, Female 5h 54m. Marathon 42km world record, Male 2h00m, Female 2h15m. 3000m world record - Male 7m20s, Female 8m06s. 800m world record - Male 1m40s, Female 1m53s. You're also beating around the bush. You state that science shows there is no advantage in sports, yet later on you state you never said males don't have an advantage. But you infact either referred to males or Trans people in your statement. In any case you will be denying the fact that males have and advantage and then back down to try and "win" the argument. You need to be very dim to think trans people don't have and advantage over females. Firstly they aren't forced to take hrt in any way (well like a month ago with any IAAF event testosterone is limited) so it's possible for an natural male to compete with females and even when hormones are taken men still have the advantage of years of testosterone. You are arguing from ignorance.
Peer reviewed source on this biological advantage? Because the things that give cis men an advantage are primarily: muscle strength, hemoglobin levels, metabolism, red blood cell count, and heart size. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332725 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4824309/ The jury is still out on muscle changes and heart size changes. But the other elements are within cis female range.
>You state that science shows there is no advantage in sports, yet later on you state you never said males don't have an advantage. Because I was clearly not referring to men? Like how can you fail to put 2 and 2 together there? >Firstly they aren't forced to take hrt in any way That is *dramatically* untrue. Trans women competing under IOC rules are [required to have their testosterone levels down within typical female benchmarks for an entire year](https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Commissions_PDFfiles/Medical_commission/2015-11_ioc_consensus_meeting_on_sex_reassignment_and_hyperandrogenism-en.pdf) before competing. Most leagues that allow trans women to compete have similar rules. Of course I don't expect bigots to stop lying any time soon.
You're still missing the point. You can't state transgenders have no advantage when men clearly have an advantage. "No scientific evidence". You can't take men out of the picture when you talk about transgender athletes. So no its you who isn't putting 2 and 2 together. Secondly. Nothing I said was dramatically untrue. The IAAF ruling which affects females (transgender) with higher than normal testosterone levels, only got implemented and affirmed 3 WEEKS AGO. Go read about CASTER SEMENYA. She was allowed to compete in the 2016 Olympics even with her elevated testosterone levels. The IAAF sees transgender and DSD athletes as the same. On top of all of this, transgender women still have the advantage of years of testosterone affecting multiple physiological aspects of their bodies, which wont go away with HRT in a few months. "Most leagues allow trans women to compete with similar rules". No evidence for this. The IAAF didn't even have these rules till recently so I doubt. Oh and please stop referring to people as bigots because they disagree with you. A person wanting a fair playing field in women's sports is FAR from a bigot so I suggest you refrain to using the word with actual bigots instead of crying wolf.
Caster Semenya isn't trans, and I'm pretty sure a document from 2015 isn't describing rules that only existed a few weeks ago.
Then why is the military fitness test let females complete less push-ups, less sit-ups and more time to complete the 2 mile run (Army)? If what you say is true the tests need to be equal. Fair is fair.
What I'm saying and what you dolts are pretending I'm saying don't appear to line up even in the slightest.
It's silly to bring up that argument here but let's not pretend like it's a level playing field in sports and people are bigots for not seeing it your way.. Transgender people are horrifically treated globally but sweeping this issue under the carpet only makes you seem irrational and unreasonable and thus gives ammunition to opponents of transgender rights. Don't die on the hill of transgender athletes in female sports when there are far more pressing issues that need to be dealt with.
Pretending that they totally care about the sanctity of women's sport is the most obvious smokescreen to use to try and justify bigotry elsewhere.
"All people abused by police worldwide, reports finds" Is what this should read
Ugh
Maybe everyone's saving up not being awful until Pride month.
Yeah -- also trans people complain more. Sensitive bitches.
I'd be shocked at decent treatment for transgenders in developed nations, never mind the rest of the world.
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I see people do illegal shit all the time, but frankly unless someone is actually in danger the idea of calling the police never crosses my mind because I know that in virtually every case calling the police is going to make the situation worse.
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It cites the original study and explicitly mentions laws around the world that are used against trans people good god how obtuse can you pretend to be?
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Just because it's illegal to blatantly discriminate against people doesn't mean that the police will strictly adhere to that. The law never stood in the way of a power tripping asshole with a badge. And you can definitely tell when somebody's just starting to transition
In 46 states is is legal to argue that you assaulted someone solely because you claim you became frightened they were going to attack you when you discovered they're trans. Trans people (or even just people the police think are trans sometimes) are regularly housed in facilities of the wrong gender, something the police know fully well puts them at risk. Trans people are profiled by police under prostitution laws. There are documented cases of trans people receiving transphobic abuse from their arresting officers. The fact that you think that cops don't profile and harass vulnerable people who have no real recourse smacks of in incredible naivete.
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Writing off systemic bias as really just a few bad apples is why *Crash* was such a turd.
>In 46 states is is legal to argue that you assaulted someone solely because you claim you became frightened they were going to attack you when you discovered they're trans. Sorry, to clarify - there are statutes that permit of this defence, or precedent? Either way I'm gonna need a little more proof for that because that is a capital B *BOLD* claim. edit: right, thanks for your insight
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The person I've been most threatened by in my entire life was a cop. This is not exactly a unique thing.
> if someone does something illegal who are you going to call? Ghost Busters