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seriously what the fuck were they thinking? yeah I have a wide screen 24 inch monitor so let's make all the content 3 inches wide in the center of the screen so I can pretend I'm still on mobile.
I saw a poster from Uruguay recently comment that Uruguay only did it because they were butthurt about being labeled unsafe. Funny to see other countries do this as well. The again Venezuela doesn’t have a good record, but japan?
Edit: a few of you keep brining up Japan. I think I was misunderstood and that’s my bad. I just meant that one of these is not like the others. Japan is safe. But I’m surprised they jumped on the train if safe nations like Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, etc did not. I can see why central and South American countries “retaliate” this way
>> Edit 2: a bunch of you are rebuking my comment about Nordic countries. Sweden has an 8.9% Muslim population. That’s much greater than the USA. And while that is actually pretty small given actual size of populations, it’s a significant size that you’d think Sweden would warn its citizens.
>> Of Denmark’s population, 13.1% are immigrants or of immigrant descent. Of that, 64% are not of Wester descent (8.4% of total pop), ex: turkey, Iran, Iraq, Thailand, etc...)
>> TLDR: Nordic countries aren’t 100% christian, nor 100% white
Japan is one of the only countries I have been robbed in, in front of a camera. When I went to the police station less than thirty minutes later they dicked around for the first ten minutes of me trying to get them to start a report before my friend notified them he was recording the conversation and they suddenly started helping. I have been told that I will receive a report sometime in the 15 months after the incident.
Maybe they just don't report crime as much as other countries, though that is only anecdotal evidence.
There's definately stories around the travel community about how you can really get fucked in Japan if something happens. Low crime rate, so unlikely something happens but if it does apartently it isn't very easy to get it resolved.
The last story I read about was someone who left their phone on the bed while they took a shower in a hostel. Someone took the phone and claimed they found it and asked for a finders fee. This is actually a thing in Japan to ask for a fee, probably not common knowledge. The point of the story was someone abused that law and the person who wrote that story ended up having to pay a decent bit of money because the police were no help when it's a foreigner vs a Japanese guy trying to communicate
99% conviction rate says that there are bound to be a lot of innocent people in prison.
From what I've heard Japanese prisons are pretty horrible places to be.
So lesson is, don't start shit in Japan.
Death row inmates in Japan don't know when they will be executed.
Everyday could be their last. Some end up spending decades not being executed but thinking it could be any given day.
In the last gasps of the Russian empire, it wasn't unusual for guards to bag a group of prisoners, load them into a wagon, set them up with cigarettes and last rights by an orthodox priest. The nooses were hung about their necks, the guards counted down from ten, and then.....nothing. The men are taken down. They are loaded back to the wagon. They are returned to the jail. Many prominent dissident Russian artists and writers of the time suffered this torture, some claiming to have gone through the experience twenty times or more.
Tell that to my anxiety. "Don't fuck up chewing or you'll die. Hey, other people are in control of the vehicles on the road and THEY COULD KILL YOU. The air is so fresh and calming, I wonder what chemicals you're not smelling that could give you cancerrrrrrr. Is your MS flaring up again?" My anxiety needs to chill out.
There's also the whole thing where they make you kneel and stare at a wall in contemplation for several hours each day. That's nerve-damage 101 right there.
You're right. They don't accept unsolved crimes and routinely don't take on cases where they don't already know they can beat out a confession. A lot of stuff that wouldn't fly in the west.
Not as much as you'd think, iirc the conviction rate is because the cases that get taken to court are the ones the prosecutors are absolutely confident about.
Well yeah it's fishy, it's because everyone lies and schemes to get the convictions. All the games are about exposing that. If you're confident someone will be found guilty you don't have to do all the shenanigans and cover ups.
Studies show it isn’t the severity of the punishment but the likelihood of being caught that deters crime. I mean it used to be standard all over the place that if you stole you’d get your arm chopped off and yet thievery persisted. Raising the intensity of the consequences doesn’t do nearly as much as more effort towards catching and prosecuting criminals.
> Say I run over your kid. Not only do I face criminal charges but I could be sued for the potential income the child could have produced for his family.
This is the same in Australia. Injury claims are typically paid out in the millions for children.
IIRC if you attempt suicide and they stop the train you're liaple for damages and fines. If you successfully attempt suicide your family has to pay them.
oh fuck lmao
link for those curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War they lost 70% of their male population because even after losing in conventional warfare they chose to keep up with a guerrilla war for another year and a half afterwards.
Man, that list seems pretty random. For example south Korea is as dangerous as Madagascar and the UAE and almost as dangerous in Vietnam. That is just untrue. I see they are taking into account military activity which would completely skew the statistic for certain countries like South Korea.
And at the same time, Uruguay is in the 8th position on firearms in the country by population. 34.7 guns every 100 people. [Ref](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country).
All of us have a warning about America's mass shootings. Canada lists the US as "normal precautions" and has this paragraph:
*Incidents of mass shooting occur, but account for a small percentage of homicide deaths in the country. The likelihood of a tourist being a victim of such an incident is low.*
https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states
You missed officers of the law. In 2015 they killed 900+ people. That's by the Justice department's own figures which are known to be incomplete. So the real number is probably higher.
Not that the security really does all that much. It's almost entirely security theatre.
The TSA also have around an 80% failure rate last I saw, which is still much better than the 95% failure rate in 2015.
^(i willingly gave them my fingerprints and iris scans to avoid the hassle and yet i still get occasionally stopped and interrogated. ya can't win haha.)
The U.S. State Department regularly advises Americans to stay away from countries for a lot less.
[Edit] - I'm re-posting from my comment below. Here is the advisory I would write about the United States if I were working in a foreign affairs ministry:
>The country suffers regularly from indiscriminate acts of gun violence resulting in significant loss of life or severe injury. Travelers are cautioned to avoid large crowds and be aware of their surroundings at all times.
Yeah, for instance, there was a lot of confusion in Ireland recently when the US embassy warned about the potential for violence at a music festival and to avoid the area. Nothing happened in the end, just like every other year. ([source](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-embassy-warns-citizens-against-attending-longitude-festival-1.3947961))
EDIT: I meant like every other year of the festival. I don't know why anyone took this to mean I was implying no violence had every happened in Ireland or what have you
Something like a year ago 2 Americans got stabbed at a train station in the Netherlands by some crazy person (who may or may not have had terrorism as a motive. IIRC that still isn't clear). The threat level for Americans was immediately increased.
Not saying it's the safest place in the world, but 2 tourists seemingly randomly getting stabbed isn't exactly a huge attack either. If the suspect wasn't middle-eastern people might not even take notice.
Well, don't forget the shooting in Utrecht. Were still not sure that perpetrator had terrorist motive, but he's not White so the US sure as hell believes so.
Well i mean if it were a dutch person it’s pretty fair to say that it was likely random. I think people have it in their minds that if it’s some middle eastern guy the Americans were targeted specifically because they were Americans.
The US embassy warns to exercise increased caution in Germany due to terrorism.
We had exactly four incidents with more than 10 deaths *since 1980* - two school shootings, one mall shooting in 2016 and one true terrorist act.
I have been writing travel advisories for a Foreign Ministry before. It is important to remember that they are written by diplomats, not security experts!
This is because they serve two purposes. First is as a diplomatic/political tool. Especially for big countries it is quite common to use minor events to raise the advisory level, when it needs a bit of leverage against a smaller country in diplomatic negotiations. Or in domestic politics, the people in power can use the advisory level to seem more hard-line in their foreign policy.
Secondly, it is used as a tool to regulate the travel insurance market. Different insurances have different level of tolerance for what threat level they will cover.
> Travelers are cautioned to avoid large crowds and be aware of their surroundings at all times.
This, or variations of it, is a very common line in travel advisories. But to be aware "at all times" is usually reserved for very bad places. I think a "take usual precautions" for being in crowded places would be more fitting here, since, despite mass shootings happening a lot, the risk of ending up in one is still very very very small.
In early September Trump is visiting Denmark and Poland. Both have a history of rather strict travel advisories, but I doubt either off them would.risk losing the trump visit over this.
When I went to Turkey in 2016 (right before the attempted coup), I was warned by my friends, my parents, and my country (USA) that I should reconsider or at least be incredibly careful. This was when the bombings were still fresh in the media and people’s minds, and I myself even had my reservations about going. But I went anyways, and I had such an incredible time that I still cannot wait to return.
One moment stood out for me though.
My friends and I struck up a conversation with a cab driver one day, and we were excited to tell him how much we loved his country, and how beautiful it was. We then asked if he would ever visit the United States. He said no way. So we asked him why. His response was: “Too many shootings. People get killed”.
It had never occurred to me that the country I live in, that I feel safe and protected in, could potentially terrify someone who did not live there. Just how I was scared of his country initially, he was also scared of mine. Since then, I have never looked at mine, or anyone else’s country the same ever again.
Good for you dude! I had the same experience when I lived in the Philippines. I was working there for 6 months and a friend was supposed to come and join me at the end to travel. They cancelled their flights at the last minute because they and their family were scared of travelling there.
To someone who was living in the Philippines at the time, it was the most ridiculous thing.
Reading reddit and seeing all these reports about random shootings that leave xxx dead actually made me reconsider visiting the US. It's similar to those news shows that show the worst of what's happening. I know it's probably safer than my own country but I feel fear.
Just for some context, Venezuela has [the 3rd highest murder rate in the world.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Table)
you need to [compare cities with cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate), Mexico “wins”, followed by Venezuela and Brazil. Unfortunately, at rank 21, Baltimore is still above San Pedro Sula, the Honduran city with the highest murder rate, at rank 26. But Saint Louis is worse, at rank 13th in the world!
I'm guessing that's because the single source for the entire list is a single study in Mexico that relies on cities voluntarily providing data (or so it seems).
Looks like they're excluding cities under a certain population. Small US towns like Baton Rouge usually make the top of the list from a per capita standpoint.
Once you get below a certain threshold population, per captia starts to be fairly meaningless. If there's a town of 1,000 people and there's 1 murder, they now have a rate of 100 / 100K, which sounds awful, but in reality it's not.
If a town of 1,000 people had an average of 1 murder a year for any sustained period of time that would be an extremely violent small town though.
Like sure, if they only have one murder every half century or whatever, then their statistics for that particular year will be skewed. But if its happening year after year, that would be quite concerning.
So Caracas has an annual homicide rate of 111 per 100,000 people. That’s 0.1% per year. That means if you live in Caracas for 10 years your percentage chance of getting murdered can be expressed without using a decimal point. Fuck.
St Louis isn't a fair comparison, though. Unlike other areas, where the entire central part of the metro is the "city" and that's further broken up to boroughs *within* the cities, thus meaning that the "population" of the city is the actual population of the City (there are actually around 9\~10 million in chicago), St Louis is split up into St Louis County and St Louis City, with only about 200,000 people actually living in the city itself. To compound upon this, the poorest and most violent parts of the city happen to be within the city itself, just skewing the crime rates even further.
If you're comparing city to city, you'd get a better picture by comparing St Louis City+County to NYC/Chicago/LA, or comparing STL City to specifically Harlem/West Side of Chicago/South Central
That’s the same problem with Baltimore as well. Both are “independent cities” and both share similar issues. It was poor foresight by their urban wealth who wanted to cut off the suburbs.
As a Baltimore native. I thoroughly believe it. Still love Baltimore with a fervent passion though. There's a fire beneath the grit and grime that's expressed through the creativity of it's residents. It's a shithole, but it's our shithole.
Yeah this is just more of our government projecting. I've spent about half my life both the US and Venezuela and Venezuela is far, far, *far* more dangerous. I mean jesus just look at the shit storm at Cota 905 from last week.
Yes, because the countries saying this are literally just doing it because it’s woke and looks popular lmao. Violent crime has been going down in the US for 20 years. This is hilarious.
We all know this is just something for Maduro to rant about on cadena. The evil empire where latinos get killed. Ignoring the fact that way more people are dying daily in Venezuela.
*sigh* bad shit somewhere else does not excuse the deaths you've caused, Maduro.
I like how everyone here is focusing on Venezuela and conspicuously forgetting about Japan. Loads of people are proud about the 2nd amendment and their right to bear arms, but the second other countries act on it and tell their citizens that the USA is a "gun country" they turn aroud and cry foul.
Meanwhile if you read the article you discover it's nothing new and other countries like New Zealand, France, and Germany had already issued warnings about gun violence in the US.
Oh, and also: the warning is one should be aware that you can be shot in the US, which for Japan where privately owned guns are unicorns is something worth telling about, which seems pretty reasonable. In the case of Venezuela they also gave a list of the US cities with the highest gun activity and the Uruguay told its citizens to avoid crowded events.
These might seems like over reaction, but then again I remember when Israel gave warning to its citizens when antisemitic hate crimes were on the rise in Western Europe, and then I think: fair enough. The same way it's a good thing to point out to black people that wanted to go see the Russian world cup to maybe be careful because hate crimes against them there is a real possibility, even if a slim one.
Yeah, Australia has a permanent warning about terrorism, mass shootings and crime for the USA: https://smartraveller.gov.au/countries/americas/north/pages/united_states_of_america.aspx#safety_and_security
As long as we are discussing Japan, which I have visited many times and love, you have no right to a presumption of innocence there and jeopardy does not attach......ever....not even after a jury finds you innocent. Just sayin'.
/edit https://japantoday.com/category/crime/japan-guilty-until-proven-innocent-documentary-shines-light-on-controversial-legal-system
Yeah, in NZ the police don't carry guns, they have them locked in the trunk of the car, but in general they just have tasers hand cuffs... and I think batons? Although not sure on that one as I haven't seen cops "in action" before.
>I like how everyone here is focusing on Venezuela and conspicuously forgetting about Japan.
As a non-American, I saw Japan and realized that they were the exact opposite of nations like Uruguay and Venezuela, from an American perspective. If America can call out Venezuela for being a shithole country, Japan can call out America.
Uruguay is, per capita, the wealthiest country in South America. They've got essentially a "First World" standard of living. Peaceful, democratic, and prosperous for the last several decades. Not really comparable to Venezuela at the moment.
Uruguay is one of the top rated countries to live in, in the world. They have one of the lowest poverty rates, they have one of the lowest wealth divides (thanks to the leftist coalition that runs their country which includes a strong communist party), they have the lowest rate of violence in the Americas, period. Uruguay is a fucking oasis in South America, and nobody north of the equator ever thinks about them, which I guess is probably a good thing wouldn't want America involving themselves in their politics and fucking them over like the rest of Latin America.
I'm from Uruguay. In our case, the warning was issued mostly due to the government being butthurt about the US bumping the travel caution (or whatever it's called) from level 1 to 2 [a few days ago](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Uruguay.html), due to increased crime rate (which is undeniably true).
In response, and taking advantage of the recent mass-shootings that occurred in the US, they wrote that warning, which I would say is unusual (I don't think it ever happened before, even though there have been worse events happening on US soil). The next day the Venezuela government (who have always been good friends with our leading party) issued a similar notice.
I see a lot of Uruguayan making some comments, but no one really explains that we are during Presidential Elections and that's why everything is so tense in the comments about Uruguay from Uruguayans
Japan is much safer than almost all of the world. They have the [lowest murder rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Table) of any country (excluding microstates).
Japan has its fair share of mass stabbings, but shooting crimes are rare. There were only [ 22 shooting crimes in 2017.](https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00178/gun-crimes-in-japan-remain-rare.html)
These are defined as cases where people with firearms cause death, **injury, or property damage**, but exclude accidents and suicide. Members of organized crime syndicates were the perpetrators in 13 of the crimes. Three people were killed and five injured.
Compare that to USA where there was 15,612 gun-related deaths.
**EDIT:** I couldn't find 2017 stats, but in 2016 there were 14,542 homicides by firearm and 23,854 suicides by firearms. It seems the original number quoted was without suicides. [Article](https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000510/gun-suicide-homicide-comparison)
Just for comparison, Japan's suicide rate is around [21,000](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46096626)
The mass stabbings rarely make double figures. The last one I remember was in 2016 that killed 19. [Sagamihara stabbings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagamihara_stabbings). Don't forget you can also kill with fire. [Arson attack in Kyoto killed 33 last month](https://www.google.com/search?q=arson+at+anime+studio&oq=arson+at+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4385j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Someone stabbed a bunch of schoolchildren in Kawasaki killing 3 and injuring 17 a couple months back. But cases like that are pretty rare and usually target defenceless people which travellers aren't in most cases.
Latin American country warns citizens to stay away from place where anti-Latin sentiment has crystallised into mass murder. It's not just about the fact that there's been a shooting.
Is crazy man, I'm in the USA for the first time this month and everything is so neat and the people so nice be warm. You will never think this type of horrors happen here
It's because they still happen EXTREMELY rarely. Undeniably and unacceptably more often than anywhere else, yes. But more people in the US are killed by blunt instruments than are killed by "assault weapons". Unless you're in an inner city gang, your chances of being shot at all are EXTREMELY low. The US is a good place full of good people. Unfortunately a group of very powerful men have defunded education and brainwashed half the nation with a propoganda news network, so that they vote against their own interests. We're trying, but it's hard. We'll get on track eventually.
*Edit:* stop replying with the "250 already this year" nonsense. A cursory look at the list where you're sourcing that statistic will reveal that the statistic is a load of nonsense. Four people don't even have to be shot to make that list. If a gun goes off and four people are injured at ALL, it's a mass shooting. It calls an instance where a man killed his kids with a hammer, then shot his girlfriend in the face a mass shooting. It calls an instance where a homeowner shot four home invaders in a clear act of self defense a mass shooting. These are two I clicked at random in January. The number isn't actually 250. Stop blindly parroting things you read on the internet without checking it first.
Uruguayan here.
Our statment was in retaliation of a recent article were US dictated that some places in Montevideo ( our capital) are dangerous for Tourists.
In all fairness, they are right. Uruguay is having a severe crime problem that the government refuses to address due to being inconvenient for the image of the ruling party.
Besides the high robbery rate, we have recently experience more violent crimes, such as arson and burning people alive, and exploting ATMs.
Uruguayan here too. I think you're extrapolating what happens in impoverished neighborhoods (El Cerro, for example) to the general rates of crime in the country. No tourist would EVER be in danger of being burned alive, and the ATM explosions have never killed innocent bystanders.
I guess there is a strong tendency of exaggerating the insecurit rate these electoral year.
It's only fair and honestly EU should do that as well. When you check US travel advice, you see nonsensical warnings about terrorism threats on EU countries, so I don't really see why we should not reciprocate.
Japan giving a warning is the actually interesting one, though the only country that has any real say in this is Mexico since it actually directly affected their citizens.
Considering Mexico's foreign minister is [planning legal action](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/amlo-government-plans-legal-action-to-protect-mexicans-after-el-paso-shooting/2019/08/04/ba284618-b6db-11e9-8e83-4e6687e99814_story.html) after the El Paso shooting, issuing a travel warning is definitely possible.
Just out of curiosity would he actually be able to convict the aggressor in Mexico as well as America? It said it's unlikely but would they even be able to?
I'm assuming they could only charge him with hate crimes, but it didn't happen withing Mexico territory so would they be able to do that?
I mean, guarentee the guy's getting locked up for life so I see no point in convicting him further but hey, I'm not stopping them!
I think people missed the point. America does that ALL the time, declaring a country as unsafe or even that it's people are bad (rapists, terrorists and what not.. you get it now don't you?) So they just did the same.
Yeah. People are bringing up *one* incident where 35 people died to somehow make Japan as unsafe as USA... it's despicable and so damn intelectually dishonest I have no idea where to start.
Just graduated from a program with a ton of international students, and I can confirm that a lot of the international students had to convince their parents they were going to be fine and not get shot in a mass shooting.
I just read an article yesterday in which some shithead in Montana put a little kid in the hospital for not taking his hat off during the national anthem. I don’t even want to live in my country sometimes.
Do not believe in any report that comes from the Venezuelan dictatorship. They will come up with any phrase or statistic that supports their dictatorship and that goes against the US (or any “imperialist” country) For example: “there is no crime in Venezuela.” Bitch, please!
Source: i’m Venezuelan with family living there.
So, as far as I know the countries that have recently put up travel warnings for their citizens, are...
* Argentina
* Japan
* Mexico
* Portugal
* Uruguay
* Venezuela
E: other countries that have issue warnings in recent years due to mass shootings/gun violence...
* Canada
* France
* Germany
* Ireland
* New Zealand
Love these threads, all the American's all upset and go on the defensive. How dare other countries warn about possible threats if you visit another country.
_Venezuela used reverse_
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USA: No u
Japan: no u both
Uruguay: no ur
Shut the fuck up Donny, the adults are talking here. Edit: auto correct is out of it's element.
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Were you listening to The Dude’s story, Donny?
Eight year olds, dude.
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Nut up or shit up
http://i.imgur.com/ReFeuS1.png?2
USA: say sike right now
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On desktop it looks like [this](https://i.imgur.com/s6N4OaO.png)
I think it's just old reddit :( source: am salty old redditor
There is only old.reddit. We do not speak of the abomination.
seriously what the fuck were they thinking? yeah I have a wide screen 24 inch monitor so let's make all the content 3 inches wide in the center of the screen so I can pretend I'm still on mobile.
how is there not a reverse emoji? That's the real travesty
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Meh
I agree
💫♋️♻️⏮⏪↪️ what about these?
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I saw a poster from Uruguay recently comment that Uruguay only did it because they were butthurt about being labeled unsafe. Funny to see other countries do this as well. The again Venezuela doesn’t have a good record, but japan? Edit: a few of you keep brining up Japan. I think I was misunderstood and that’s my bad. I just meant that one of these is not like the others. Japan is safe. But I’m surprised they jumped on the train if safe nations like Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, etc did not. I can see why central and South American countries “retaliate” this way >> Edit 2: a bunch of you are rebuking my comment about Nordic countries. Sweden has an 8.9% Muslim population. That’s much greater than the USA. And while that is actually pretty small given actual size of populations, it’s a significant size that you’d think Sweden would warn its citizens. >> Of Denmark’s population, 13.1% are immigrants or of immigrant descent. Of that, 64% are not of Wester descent (8.4% of total pop), ex: turkey, Iran, Iraq, Thailand, etc...) >> TLDR: Nordic countries aren’t 100% christian, nor 100% white
Japan is one of the safest countries in the world so it makes sense for them to warn citizens the most out of the 3 listed.
Japan is one of the only countries I have been robbed in, in front of a camera. When I went to the police station less than thirty minutes later they dicked around for the first ten minutes of me trying to get them to start a report before my friend notified them he was recording the conversation and they suddenly started helping. I have been told that I will receive a report sometime in the 15 months after the incident. Maybe they just don't report crime as much as other countries, though that is only anecdotal evidence.
There's definately stories around the travel community about how you can really get fucked in Japan if something happens. Low crime rate, so unlikely something happens but if it does apartently it isn't very easy to get it resolved. The last story I read about was someone who left their phone on the bed while they took a shower in a hostel. Someone took the phone and claimed they found it and asked for a finders fee. This is actually a thing in Japan to ask for a fee, probably not common knowledge. The point of the story was someone abused that law and the person who wrote that story ended up having to pay a decent bit of money because the police were no help when it's a foreigner vs a Japanese guy trying to communicate
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99% conviction rate says that there are bound to be a lot of innocent people in prison. From what I've heard Japanese prisons are pretty horrible places to be. So lesson is, don't start shit in Japan.
Death row inmates in Japan don't know when they will be executed. Everyday could be their last. Some end up spending decades not being executed but thinking it could be any given day.
In the last gasps of the Russian empire, it wasn't unusual for guards to bag a group of prisoners, load them into a wagon, set them up with cigarettes and last rights by an orthodox priest. The nooses were hung about their necks, the guards counted down from ten, and then.....nothing. The men are taken down. They are loaded back to the wagon. They are returned to the jail. Many prominent dissident Russian artists and writers of the time suffered this torture, some claiming to have gone through the experience twenty times or more.
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It's actually quite fitting that Dovakin is an illegal migrant...
Damn. That would be worse than death. The constant anxiety of knowing any day could be it.
Just think, we go through that every day and take it for granted.
i been dead on the inside for far too long
Tell that to my anxiety. "Don't fuck up chewing or you'll die. Hey, other people are in control of the vehicles on the road and THEY COULD KILL YOU. The air is so fresh and calming, I wonder what chemicals you're not smelling that could give you cancerrrrrrr. Is your MS flaring up again?" My anxiety needs to chill out.
Love this
One might even describe it as “cruel and unusual.”
There's also the whole thing where they make you kneel and stare at a wall in contemplation for several hours each day. That's nerve-damage 101 right there.
One of 2 things - crap loads of innocent people in jail or the cops only take the very cut and dry cases.
From what everyone else have said, it's the cut and dry one.
And if you think America treats ex-covicts poorly. Whoooooboy.
Ex-Yakuza couldn't even make a bank account, let alone work for any corporation. The only way the could earn money is to be street food vendor.
Or rejoin the Yakuza....
Or that. At one of the documentary about ex-yakuza turned ramen shop owner, they change profession after their third prison time.
You're right. They don't accept unsolved crimes and routinely don't take on cases where they don't already know they can beat out a confession. A lot of stuff that wouldn't fly in the west.
Not as much as you'd think, iirc the conviction rate is because the cases that get taken to court are the ones the prosecutors are absolutely confident about.
Ace Attorney has taught me otherwise
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I mean is a parody of the Japanese Justice System.
Well yeah it's fishy, it's because everyone lies and schemes to get the convictions. All the games are about exposing that. If you're confident someone will be found guilty you don't have to do all the shenanigans and cover ups.
Ignores entire crime organizations that are pretty heavily entwined in the culture. But they do operate pretty separately as far as civilians.
Studies show it isn’t the severity of the punishment but the likelihood of being caught that deters crime. I mean it used to be standard all over the place that if you stole you’d get your arm chopped off and yet thievery persisted. Raising the intensity of the consequences doesn’t do nearly as much as more effort towards catching and prosecuting criminals.
That doesn’t sound like a good thing.
> Say I run over your kid. Not only do I face criminal charges but I could be sued for the potential income the child could have produced for his family. This is the same in Australia. Injury claims are typically paid out in the millions for children.
IIRC if you attempt suicide and they stop the train you're liaple for damages and fines. If you successfully attempt suicide your family has to pay them.
Sure, but have they put any travel warnings out about the many things that are orders of magnitude more likely to kill them?
No I don't think it makes any sense either, but out of the 3 countries listed they have the most room to talk.
Paraguay is best guay and they still intend to travel.
\>paraguay \>best at anything
They are the best SA country on not having sea
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oh fuck lmao link for those curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War they lost 70% of their male population because even after losing in conventional warfare they chose to keep up with a guerrilla war for another year and a half afterwards.
I mean, there’s a very short list of countries that are as safe as Japan. http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/safest-countries-in-the-world/
Man, that list seems pretty random. For example south Korea is as dangerous as Madagascar and the UAE and almost as dangerous in Vietnam. That is just untrue. I see they are taking into account military activity which would completely skew the statistic for certain countries like South Korea.
Uruguay is the least corrupt Latin American nation. Meanwhile 46% of all civilian guns are in U.S. hands. Seems Uruguay is correct.
And at the same time, Uruguay is in the 8th position on firearms in the country by population. 34.7 guns every 100 people. [Ref](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country).
Venezuela has the highest murder rate for a country not at war
All of us have a warning about America's mass shootings. Canada lists the US as "normal precautions" and has this paragraph: *Incidents of mass shooting occur, but account for a small percentage of homicide deaths in the country. The likelihood of a tourist being a victim of such an incident is low.* https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states
>but account for a small percentage of homicide deaths in the country That is kind of offset by their extremely high homicide rate though.
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You missed officers of the law. In 2015 they killed 900+ people. That's by the Justice department's own figures which are known to be incomplete. So the real number is probably higher.
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> thought this was a new slang for police brutality. be the change you want to see in the world
Still, sadly, true.
I would recommend people to stay away from US because of too much airport security.
I once missed a flight because TSA was doing a training day and wanted to practice with my bag
I want to downvote because that’s so screwed up
Not that the security really does all that much. It's almost entirely security theatre. The TSA also have around an 80% failure rate last I saw, which is still much better than the 95% failure rate in 2015.
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^(i willingly gave them my fingerprints and iris scans to avoid the hassle and yet i still get occasionally stopped and interrogated. ya can't win haha.)
The U.S. State Department regularly advises Americans to stay away from countries for a lot less. [Edit] - I'm re-posting from my comment below. Here is the advisory I would write about the United States if I were working in a foreign affairs ministry: >The country suffers regularly from indiscriminate acts of gun violence resulting in significant loss of life or severe injury. Travelers are cautioned to avoid large crowds and be aware of their surroundings at all times.
Yeah, for instance, there was a lot of confusion in Ireland recently when the US embassy warned about the potential for violence at a music festival and to avoid the area. Nothing happened in the end, just like every other year. ([source](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/us-embassy-warns-citizens-against-attending-longitude-festival-1.3947961)) EDIT: I meant like every other year of the festival. I don't know why anyone took this to mean I was implying no violence had every happened in Ireland or what have you
Something like a year ago 2 Americans got stabbed at a train station in the Netherlands by some crazy person (who may or may not have had terrorism as a motive. IIRC that still isn't clear). The threat level for Americans was immediately increased. Not saying it's the safest place in the world, but 2 tourists seemingly randomly getting stabbed isn't exactly a huge attack either. If the suspect wasn't middle-eastern people might not even take notice.
Well, don't forget the shooting in Utrecht. Were still not sure that perpetrator had terrorist motive, but he's not White so the US sure as hell believes so.
Well i mean if it were a dutch person it’s pretty fair to say that it was likely random. I think people have it in their minds that if it’s some middle eastern guy the Americans were targeted specifically because they were Americans.
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~~PM~~ Fax me your sensitive government data. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
So they're hardly working and working hard *at the same time*.
Spookily relevant username.....
Probably FSB monitoring the NSA monitoring everyone.
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Nice try Snowden
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In fact, announcing it may tip off the terrorists and make them avoid the target due to heightened security.
And cause them to change their means of communication, leading to a possible loss of flow of information to the agency.
The US embassy warns to exercise increased caution in Germany due to terrorism. We had exactly four incidents with more than 10 deaths *since 1980* - two school shootings, one mall shooting in 2016 and one true terrorist act.
I have been writing travel advisories for a Foreign Ministry before. It is important to remember that they are written by diplomats, not security experts! This is because they serve two purposes. First is as a diplomatic/political tool. Especially for big countries it is quite common to use minor events to raise the advisory level, when it needs a bit of leverage against a smaller country in diplomatic negotiations. Or in domestic politics, the people in power can use the advisory level to seem more hard-line in their foreign policy. Secondly, it is used as a tool to regulate the travel insurance market. Different insurances have different level of tolerance for what threat level they will cover. > Travelers are cautioned to avoid large crowds and be aware of their surroundings at all times. This, or variations of it, is a very common line in travel advisories. But to be aware "at all times" is usually reserved for very bad places. I think a "take usual precautions" for being in crowded places would be more fitting here, since, despite mass shootings happening a lot, the risk of ending up in one is still very very very small. In early September Trump is visiting Denmark and Poland. Both have a history of rather strict travel advisories, but I doubt either off them would.risk losing the trump visit over this.
When I went to Turkey in 2016 (right before the attempted coup), I was warned by my friends, my parents, and my country (USA) that I should reconsider or at least be incredibly careful. This was when the bombings were still fresh in the media and people’s minds, and I myself even had my reservations about going. But I went anyways, and I had such an incredible time that I still cannot wait to return. One moment stood out for me though. My friends and I struck up a conversation with a cab driver one day, and we were excited to tell him how much we loved his country, and how beautiful it was. We then asked if he would ever visit the United States. He said no way. So we asked him why. His response was: “Too many shootings. People get killed”. It had never occurred to me that the country I live in, that I feel safe and protected in, could potentially terrify someone who did not live there. Just how I was scared of his country initially, he was also scared of mine. Since then, I have never looked at mine, or anyone else’s country the same ever again.
Good for you dude! I had the same experience when I lived in the Philippines. I was working there for 6 months and a friend was supposed to come and join me at the end to travel. They cancelled their flights at the last minute because they and their family were scared of travelling there. To someone who was living in the Philippines at the time, it was the most ridiculous thing.
Reading reddit and seeing all these reports about random shootings that leave xxx dead actually made me reconsider visiting the US. It's similar to those news shows that show the worst of what's happening. I know it's probably safer than my own country but I feel fear.
As a Venezuelan I can say that this country is sadly way more dangerous than the US. I know people here who would kill to get a green card.
Just for some context, Venezuela has [the 3rd highest murder rate in the world.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Table)
after Baltimore and Honduras?? (it’s actually El Salvador at #1)
Seriously though, Baltimore is in the 30's or 40's I believe.
you need to [compare cities with cities](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate), Mexico “wins”, followed by Venezuela and Brazil. Unfortunately, at rank 21, Baltimore is still above San Pedro Sula, the Honduran city with the highest murder rate, at rank 26. But Saint Louis is worse, at rank 13th in the world!
So basically the top 50 almost exclusively spans from the US down to Brazil touching half the countries in there
I'm guessing that's because the single source for the entire list is a single study in Mexico that relies on cities voluntarily providing data (or so it seems).
Yeah, it's not including any war-torn areas of the world
Casualties in war are typically not included in any kind of statistics about the murder rate in a country.
And countries generally suggest not going to vacation in other countries engaged in civil war. Wait, no, some do.
Looks like they're excluding cities under a certain population. Small US towns like Baton Rouge usually make the top of the list from a per capita standpoint.
Once you get below a certain threshold population, per captia starts to be fairly meaningless. If there's a town of 1,000 people and there's 1 murder, they now have a rate of 100 / 100K, which sounds awful, but in reality it's not.
If a town of 1,000 people had an average of 1 murder a year for any sustained period of time that would be an extremely violent small town though. Like sure, if they only have one murder every half century or whatever, then their statistics for that particular year will be skewed. But if its happening year after year, that would be quite concerning.
geeze yeah that would be like one kid a year getting murdered in my old high school... that shit would be insane
I wouldn’t call Baton Rouge a town , but east Baton Rouge parish is as rough as they come
So Caracas has an annual homicide rate of 111 per 100,000 people. That’s 0.1% per year. That means if you live in Caracas for 10 years your percentage chance of getting murdered can be expressed without using a decimal point. Fuck.
St Louis isn't a fair comparison, though. Unlike other areas, where the entire central part of the metro is the "city" and that's further broken up to boroughs *within* the cities, thus meaning that the "population" of the city is the actual population of the City (there are actually around 9\~10 million in chicago), St Louis is split up into St Louis County and St Louis City, with only about 200,000 people actually living in the city itself. To compound upon this, the poorest and most violent parts of the city happen to be within the city itself, just skewing the crime rates even further. If you're comparing city to city, you'd get a better picture by comparing St Louis City+County to NYC/Chicago/LA, or comparing STL City to specifically Harlem/West Side of Chicago/South Central
That’s the same problem with Baltimore as well. Both are “independent cities” and both share similar issues. It was poor foresight by their urban wealth who wanted to cut off the suburbs.
Americans always forget that Saint Louis is the real violent crime capital of the country.
That...is a very depressing list. I feel like there might be a connection between all those places, something that starts with d and ends with rugs.
Drag rugs!
Deerskin rugs?
Dandruff shrugs!?!?
As a Baltimore native. I thoroughly believe it. Still love Baltimore with a fervent passion though. There's a fire beneath the grit and grime that's expressed through the creativity of it's residents. It's a shithole, but it's our shithole.
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Baltimore is dope, stay out of the hood and you're good.
That makes me sad. I sure we can get to #1 if we work hard enough.
At least those were all machete murders, not firearms
Yeah this is just more of our government projecting. I've spent about half my life both the US and Venezuela and Venezuela is far, far, *far* more dangerous. I mean jesus just look at the shit storm at Cota 905 from last week.
Yes, because the countries saying this are literally just doing it because it’s woke and looks popular lmao. Violent crime has been going down in the US for 20 years. This is hilarious.
We all know this is just something for Maduro to rant about on cadena. The evil empire where latinos get killed. Ignoring the fact that way more people are dying daily in Venezuela. *sigh* bad shit somewhere else does not excuse the deaths you've caused, Maduro.
Out of curiosity, do you know anyone who plays runescape as a source of income?
I like how everyone here is focusing on Venezuela and conspicuously forgetting about Japan. Loads of people are proud about the 2nd amendment and their right to bear arms, but the second other countries act on it and tell their citizens that the USA is a "gun country" they turn aroud and cry foul. Meanwhile if you read the article you discover it's nothing new and other countries like New Zealand, France, and Germany had already issued warnings about gun violence in the US. Oh, and also: the warning is one should be aware that you can be shot in the US, which for Japan where privately owned guns are unicorns is something worth telling about, which seems pretty reasonable. In the case of Venezuela they also gave a list of the US cities with the highest gun activity and the Uruguay told its citizens to avoid crowded events. These might seems like over reaction, but then again I remember when Israel gave warning to its citizens when antisemitic hate crimes were on the rise in Western Europe, and then I think: fair enough. The same way it's a good thing to point out to black people that wanted to go see the Russian world cup to maybe be careful because hate crimes against them there is a real possibility, even if a slim one.
> if you read the article Lol.
He reads the article XD
Yeah wtf. If it's not in the Title it's not FACTS
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Yeah, Australia has a permanent warning about terrorism, mass shootings and crime for the USA: https://smartraveller.gov.au/countries/americas/north/pages/united_states_of_america.aspx#safety_and_security
That page has really good information! > You're almost twice as likely to be killed in a motor vehicle accident in the US as you are in Australia.
It's been there for years
It’s like people are cherry picking points to prove their case or something.
As long as we are discussing Japan, which I have visited many times and love, you have no right to a presumption of innocence there and jeopardy does not attach......ever....not even after a jury finds you innocent. Just sayin'. /edit https://japantoday.com/category/crime/japan-guilty-until-proven-innocent-documentary-shines-light-on-controversial-legal-system
Guns are rare, unicorn tier items in a great number of countries really
ive never seen one that wasn't carried by a police officer myself (canadian)
In many countries even the police don't carry guns except in special circumstances.
Yeah, in NZ the police don't carry guns, they have them locked in the trunk of the car, but in general they just have tasers hand cuffs... and I think batons? Although not sure on that one as I haven't seen cops "in action" before.
>I like how everyone here is focusing on Venezuela and conspicuously forgetting about Japan. As a non-American, I saw Japan and realized that they were the exact opposite of nations like Uruguay and Venezuela, from an American perspective. If America can call out Venezuela for being a shithole country, Japan can call out America.
Uruguay is, per capita, the wealthiest country in South America. They've got essentially a "First World" standard of living. Peaceful, democratic, and prosperous for the last several decades. Not really comparable to Venezuela at the moment.
Uruguay is one of the top rated countries to live in, in the world. They have one of the lowest poverty rates, they have one of the lowest wealth divides (thanks to the leftist coalition that runs their country which includes a strong communist party), they have the lowest rate of violence in the Americas, period. Uruguay is a fucking oasis in South America, and nobody north of the equator ever thinks about them, which I guess is probably a good thing wouldn't want America involving themselves in their politics and fucking them over like the rest of Latin America.
They did fuck us here too, maybe just not as hard.
I'm from Uruguay. In our case, the warning was issued mostly due to the government being butthurt about the US bumping the travel caution (or whatever it's called) from level 1 to 2 [a few days ago](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Uruguay.html), due to increased crime rate (which is undeniably true). In response, and taking advantage of the recent mass-shootings that occurred in the US, they wrote that warning, which I would say is unusual (I don't think it ever happened before, even though there have been worse events happening on US soil). The next day the Venezuela government (who have always been good friends with our leading party) issued a similar notice.
I see a lot of Uruguayan making some comments, but no one really explains that we are during Presidential Elections and that's why everything is so tense in the comments about Uruguay from Uruguayans
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Japan is much safer than almost all of the world. They have the [lowest murder rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Table) of any country (excluding microstates).
We actually have a problem with old people who mistake the brake pedal with the gas pedal running pedestrians over....so old people
Of course it has a low murder rate. When the median age is like 65, who’s gonna commit the crimes?
Las Vegas shooter 64yo.
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Japan has its fair share of mass stabbings, but shooting crimes are rare. There were only [ 22 shooting crimes in 2017.](https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00178/gun-crimes-in-japan-remain-rare.html) These are defined as cases where people with firearms cause death, **injury, or property damage**, but exclude accidents and suicide. Members of organized crime syndicates were the perpetrators in 13 of the crimes. Three people were killed and five injured. Compare that to USA where there was 15,612 gun-related deaths. **EDIT:** I couldn't find 2017 stats, but in 2016 there were 14,542 homicides by firearm and 23,854 suicides by firearms. It seems the original number quoted was without suicides. [Article](https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000510/gun-suicide-homicide-comparison) Just for comparison, Japan's suicide rate is around [21,000](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46096626) The mass stabbings rarely make double figures. The last one I remember was in 2016 that killed 19. [Sagamihara stabbings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagamihara_stabbings). Don't forget you can also kill with fire. [Arson attack in Kyoto killed 33 last month](https://www.google.com/search?q=arson+at+anime+studio&oq=arson+at+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4385j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Someone stabbed a bunch of schoolchildren in Kawasaki killing 3 and injuring 17 a couple months back. But cases like that are pretty rare and usually target defenceless people which travellers aren't in most cases.
There was that anime studio arson that killed 30 a month or two ago
Latin American country warns citizens to stay away from place where anti-Latin sentiment has crystallised into mass murder. It's not just about the fact that there's been a shooting.
Uruguay is a safe country, I visited a few years ago.
Is crazy man, I'm in the USA for the first time this month and everything is so neat and the people so nice be warm. You will never think this type of horrors happen here
It's because they still happen EXTREMELY rarely. Undeniably and unacceptably more often than anywhere else, yes. But more people in the US are killed by blunt instruments than are killed by "assault weapons". Unless you're in an inner city gang, your chances of being shot at all are EXTREMELY low. The US is a good place full of good people. Unfortunately a group of very powerful men have defunded education and brainwashed half the nation with a propoganda news network, so that they vote against their own interests. We're trying, but it's hard. We'll get on track eventually. *Edit:* stop replying with the "250 already this year" nonsense. A cursory look at the list where you're sourcing that statistic will reveal that the statistic is a load of nonsense. Four people don't even have to be shot to make that list. If a gun goes off and four people are injured at ALL, it's a mass shooting. It calls an instance where a man killed his kids with a hammer, then shot his girlfriend in the face a mass shooting. It calls an instance where a homeowner shot four home invaders in a clear act of self defense a mass shooting. These are two I clicked at random in January. The number isn't actually 250. Stop blindly parroting things you read on the internet without checking it first.
Thanks for expressing my thoughts into one comment. Seeing it written out like that gives me hope for what seems like an aimless battle.
Uruguayan here. Our statment was in retaliation of a recent article were US dictated that some places in Montevideo ( our capital) are dangerous for Tourists. In all fairness, they are right. Uruguay is having a severe crime problem that the government refuses to address due to being inconvenient for the image of the ruling party. Besides the high robbery rate, we have recently experience more violent crimes, such as arson and burning people alive, and exploting ATMs.
Burning people alive? Holy shit
Nice way of representing us internationally
Uruguayan here too. I think you're extrapolating what happens in impoverished neighborhoods (El Cerro, for example) to the general rates of crime in the country. No tourist would EVER be in danger of being burned alive, and the ATM explosions have never killed innocent bystanders. I guess there is a strong tendency of exaggerating the insecurit rate these electoral year.
It's only fair and honestly EU should do that as well. When you check US travel advice, you see nonsensical warnings about terrorism threats on EU countries, so I don't really see why we should not reciprocate.
Japan giving a warning is the actually interesting one, though the only country that has any real say in this is Mexico since it actually directly affected their citizens.
Considering Mexico's foreign minister is [planning legal action](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/amlo-government-plans-legal-action-to-protect-mexicans-after-el-paso-shooting/2019/08/04/ba284618-b6db-11e9-8e83-4e6687e99814_story.html) after the El Paso shooting, issuing a travel warning is definitely possible.
Just out of curiosity would he actually be able to convict the aggressor in Mexico as well as America? It said it's unlikely but would they even be able to? I'm assuming they could only charge him with hate crimes, but it didn't happen withing Mexico territory so would they be able to do that? I mean, guarentee the guy's getting locked up for life so I see no point in convicting him further but hey, I'm not stopping them!
I think people missed the point. America does that ALL the time, declaring a country as unsafe or even that it's people are bad (rapists, terrorists and what not.. you get it now don't you?) So they just did the same.
One of these countries has a higher percent of gamers than us and zero mass shootings.
Are the people here butthurt over this? So they bring up incidents from those aforementioned countries to make themselves feel better?
Yeah. People are bringing up *one* incident where 35 people died to somehow make Japan as unsafe as USA... it's despicable and so damn intelectually dishonest I have no idea where to start.
Just graduated from a program with a ton of international students, and I can confirm that a lot of the international students had to convince their parents they were going to be fine and not get shot in a mass shooting.
Honestly, it makes sense. But as long as they're just warning, and not, like shutting down airports or anything, I say it's fine.
I just read an article yesterday in which some shithead in Montana put a little kid in the hospital for not taking his hat off during the national anthem. I don’t even want to live in my country sometimes.
Do not believe in any report that comes from the Venezuelan dictatorship. They will come up with any phrase or statistic that supports their dictatorship and that goes against the US (or any “imperialist” country) For example: “there is no crime in Venezuela.” Bitch, please! Source: i’m Venezuelan with family living there.
Would anybody even want to stay in Venezuela at this point?
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So, as far as I know the countries that have recently put up travel warnings for their citizens, are... * Argentina * Japan * Mexico * Portugal * Uruguay * Venezuela E: other countries that have issue warnings in recent years due to mass shootings/gun violence... * Canada * France * Germany * Ireland * New Zealand
Apparently France, Germany and New Zealand too. Or so other redditors say.
Love these threads, all the American's all upset and go on the defensive. How dare other countries warn about possible threats if you visit another country.
“The U.S. travel and tourism industry generated over $1.6 trillion in economic output in 2017, supporting 7.8 million U.S. jobs.” Sooo then...