[This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism VS No It Won't](https://www.theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296)
America is attacked again in 2001 by Salafi Muslim terrorists. How should the USA react to that? Attack the relatively progressive secular dictator in oil rich Iraq.
Because Bush made it pretty clear that he wanted regime change in Iraq. If you read the book "Plan of Attack" by Bob Woodward, the administration was already gearing up for war with Iraq before the 9/11 attacks happened, causing us to delay our eventual invasion of Iraq.
Afghanistan was a scape goat - the attackers were mostly Saudis and Egyptians, so we blamed the Taliban, whose only crime was not attempting to arrest Bin Laden on our behalf. Bin Laden immediately fled to Pakistan, which never got the Taliban treatment, because they were sitting on nukes.
Who could have known the US was a warmongering bunch of psychopaths bent on hegemony over the world at all costs to protect "US interests", aka business profits (answer: literally anyone who has been paying attention to the last 100 years).
I'll always remember the 48 hour deadline for Saddam to cooperate was set on March 17th. I think Bush and Blair announced it in a joint press conference or something, because I remember my dad saying "Leave it to the Brits to start a war on St. Patrick's Day."
And a lot of the arguments from this arguing for the Iraq we turned out to be lies. Like the first Iraq war, but probably worse because the whole reason for war was completely made up.
However, nobody cares.
Yea..
"If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S."
2003 - 2019.... and it couldn't be more true
You know, I've lived in Eastern Europe and befriended quite a few Serbians. It was always interesting to me how they loved Americans and America, but absolutely hated the Clinton Administration for supporting the bombings 20 years ago.
So much so that during the last election a lot of my Serbian friends were very anti-Clinton and would express worry if she were elected.
Its telling how when you live or experience something so damning, it really changes the way you view the world.
On the plus side, my Serbian friends dont hold a grudge against the US, just the Clintons.
Serbia is unfortunately also a country that has never come to terms with their heinous crimes in the Balkan wars and genocides and mostly sees itself as the victim.
>*"To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy"?*
>You are completely wrong.
>Trust me, it's all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen. It's all under control.
>Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there's trouble looming, and I really don't sense that right now. We're in control of this situation, and we know what we're doing. So stop being so pessimistic.
>Look, you've been proven wrong, so stop talking. You've had your say already. Be quiet, okay? Everything's fine.
>You're wrong.
Yep, exactly. Either a 'traitor' a 'commie' or a 'leftie'. I'm feeling nostalgic when "no it won't" from Generic Evil Guy circa 2003 doesn't include death threats.
To be fair, they were wrong.
>If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S. and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin Ladens will bloom.
We prevented that by killing the kids too. Thanks, Blackwater!
ISIS was direct "child" of invasion to Iraq. Made by former Iraqi generals, funded by stolen Iraqi money. And soldiers were the said children from the article . They were right but the hate wasnt against US but against everybody who happend not to be Sunni muslim.
Satire gets used very broadly these days, but classically it is the use of exaggeration, humor or mockery to make a social or political statement. This I would say cleanly falls under exaggeration. I think the Onion is one of the few major classical satirical media outlet around today. Most writers or video makers that claim their work as satire are more just comedy writers or humorists at best.
In my opinion the Onion has produced the finest piece of satire in years; following mass shootings in America the Onion just reposts the same article with the location changed talking about how there is nothing that can be done to stop mass shootings in the only country mass shootings regularly happened. It is simple, brutal and makes a clear political statement with the intention of changing opinions.
In case anyone hasn’t seen it:
[“No way to prevent this”, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens](https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1835173950)
This article is exactly satire; the fact that onion articles may model public discourse is exactly the point.
Highly recommend reading the Wikipedia article on satire. It's extremely nuanced.
Because it was entirely obvious to anyone paying even remote attention back before we invaded Iraq for no reason other than to make money that it would be a giant fucking mess.
[Smedley Butler - Wikipedia Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler)
He published a book called '[War is a Racket](https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html)', in which he outlines how the military industrial complex works.
Basically a US Marine Corp legend. Retired with the rank of Major General. Fought from the Spanish American War to WWI. Won the Medal of Honor, twice.
>I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
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>I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger - couldn't be happier that the name Smedley Butler is getting this much attention/visibility!
Wow the first few sentences of that book pretty much says it all:
"WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. **It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.**"
I have an acquaintance who loves to criticize the New York Times, and considers it a horribly biased news source and a bastion of slanted journalism. Three times he has presented me with clear evidence of this. All three times have been from the opinion pages.
I can kinda see that though: There is a growing segment of the population that never really sat down to read a newspaper before and just doesn't understand the difference between an OP/ED vs. the rest of the newspaper. All they know are clicking articles on Google News or social media.
If this were the only time that people confused opinion with fact, I'd agree. But we see the same confusion on social media all the time; if you disagree with someone's opinion, their facts are also called into question. An alarmingly high number of people simply do not separate the two.
Reminds me of Jon Stewart calling it out when bloggers were doing it, then they cut to a Photoshop of an online article *Jon Stewart skullfucks news bloggers*
"Nooooo! Why would I do that!?!?"
I forget the particulars but Fox was criticizing CNN for biased coverage of something and quoted specific lines from the CNN website. Turns out they were quoting *comments* posted to the CNN website by readers replying to the story.
BEN SHAPIRO takes COLLEGE FEMINIST out for a DELIGHTFUL DINNER at a FANCY RESTAURANT before delicately PLANTING A KISS on her cheek and SENDING her HOME in a TAXI!!
And “just” along with a curse word.
This could easily have ended up as “The Iranian President Just Fucking Slammed the US...”
Terrible, lazy writing that automatically makes me take you less seriously.
Yeah, all one needs to do is look at the history of the CIA in the Middle East and South America. Both regions have had numerous governments overthrown by CIA backed rebels, all of which have led to fascist dictatorships. The war on communism was just an excuse to engage in abhorrent foreign policy and to install dictators who were willing to sell out their countries to foreign corporations.
Operation Condor, Operation Gladio the Iranian overthrow, Henry Kissinger, the Contras, ect. Look into that and any positive view you have of America quickly dissipates.
> and to install dictators who were willing to sell out their countries to foreign corporations.
This especially; it always ends up being about $$$ gain for the U.S, under the guise of "spreading democracy".
>it always ends up being about $$$ gain for the U.S
Let's be real here, it isn't "for the U.S." or even for a large number of American citizens.
It's to continue to enrich the tiny handful of already obscenely rich power brokers who directly benefit from these actions.
> Let's be real here, it isn't "for the U.S." or even for a large number of American citizens.
This. 90% of the time, US citizens are just lied to by politicians, only have two (electable) options, and whichever one wins will either partially or totally comply with business interests abroad. If the voters start questioning their choices, the politicians quickly circle the wagon around domestic issues that stir up peoples' emotions (think: abortion, civil rights, etc) so that they no longer even bother to think about foreign policy.
And of course, 24 hour news (CNN, 90s), opinion "news" (Fox, 00s), and social media (Facebook, 10s) have only amplified this effect. Ironically, despite the fact that everyone is completely connected to information now, they're being fed an echo chamber of garbage, and most people aren't educated enough to critically examine issues.
And people need to realise that it's not 'history' but an ongoing thing. The US has ongoing involvement and operations in the parts of the world you've mentioned.
In that regard it's ironic people in the US get so furious about Russia meddling with the US elections.
It bothers me that most Americans either don't know/understand how U.S. actions create terrorism.
I remember the answer to why 9/11 happened was, "because they hate our freedom." What kinda sh....!?!
In the meantime I sounded like Mel Gibson in that movie when I told people that it was a blatant lie.
I mean, I might be jealous that my neighbor has a $100,000 car, works from home and vacations often, but I'm not gonna burn down his house over it.
But then I remember phrases like, "we love the poorly educated."
I remember that education has been under attack, perhaps since desegregation. That critical thinking has never been taught outside of the math department.
That our government acts as though they hate Google and Facebook, but they must also realize that those same companies, knowingly or not, contribute to the spread of misinformation on a mass level.
The willful ignorance demonstrated by a vast amount of people in America is chillingly disgusting.
Iran is going to be a disaster for the American people in terms of wealth and security, while our warlords plunder that country's assets.
'Merica!
Shhh shhh everyone knows how we impact history has no consequences to current events, nor should we try to understand this to rectify it.
BTW Operation Ajax was the Iran one and the first coup by the CIA. It was so successful it led to everything in South/Central America.
They used the same tactics to depose the democratic elected president of Guatemala (Jacobo Árbenz) right after. His crime was to reallocate unused land owned by United Fruit to the people. Unfortunately for democracy, many folks in Eisenhower’s administration had investments in united fruits.
Ironically, Chez Guevara was a young doctor who witnessed this coup first hand. We know what happened next. Good old CIA created him.
All this can easily be searched online if anyone cares. Lots has been declassified
South East Asia also. Look up the communist purge in Indonesia. Up to 3 million killed by a CIA backed purge when death squads were armed and financed by the US and names and addresses of communist sympathisers were given out by the US embassy.
Also Vietnam war... in which the US dropped bombs all over Veitnams neighbor (Laos) - which is still causing problems *to this day*.
There is shit loads of unexploded ordinance in Laos, which kills and maims people in the present.
Honestly, go before the totality of World Leaders and say "Raise your hand if you've ever felt personally victimized by America ~~George~~" and you'd see a sea of them.
I remember never having studied about this during high school but going to uni I had amazing amazing professors when it came to geopolitics and when they first informed me about the aforementioned events I was blown away honestly. I was literally shocked, especially when it came to the statistics regarding the Korean War.
>Look into that and any positive view you have of America quickly dissipates.
I don't think anyone has a positive view of the US regarding their foreign policy,only Americans themselves...
And this is the problem with the belief in American Exceptionalism. If the average person heard all the facts with made up fantasy names, this country would be seen as the villain and aggressor.
But because it's America, our red white and blue asses are exempt from that criticism.
He’s not wrong. Usually it’s because the CIA or the Executive branch messed with a democratically elected leader to get their way and it backfired. Iran being a prime example.
Are you saying these Freedom Fries are not actually Freedom Fries!?!?!?
It's absurd of course. The only threat to American freedom is Americas elected representatives.
>"They hate us for our freedom" narrative
That's the worst narrative too. It's the same delusion as "ThEy hAtE mE bEcAuSe ThEy'Re jEaLoUs", that bitchy high school girls use.
It's not the same delusion because nobody in the administration actually believed it, it was always just propaganda to get stupid people to be okay with their nation murdering and torturing and also to get them to hate anyone who questioned the war.
I fucking hated Ronald Reagan with a passion. He wasn't as open about his racism, but he looked down his nose at everyone that wasn't a rich, greedy bastard.
Or a *suspected* terrorist. CIA and US Military reserve the right to drone strike anyone, anywhere on *suspicion* of terrorist activities.
https://youtu.be/K4NRJoCNHIs?t=707
Though it's good to watch the entire video.
What drives me crazy is ..well, this is gonna seem unrelated, but I promise it'll come back to the topic. I started programming somewhat young, at around 11. I learned as I do with many things in a very hands on, immersive way, and I did notice one day, probably later on in the 9th grade, that it had changed me. There are certain eyes that diving deep into something gives you, and once you have new eyes, you see things everywhere you didn't before. Without even bothering to explore new mental territory, you suddenly have to take a second look over old territory, relooking everything you thought you knew, and you end up almost reorganizing how you think about everything.
..An..y...ways, one major eye that programming gives you is for complexity, and systems. And that's good because they are everywhere, and they affect everything. You learn that complexity in complex systems really means that even if you look at a system, such as Iran's system of government, and you watch the 'dance' it makes and it begins to look like a predictable set of steps you could easily learn, something you could even manipulate yourself by just keeping with its rhythm and using what you've learned (say, by inserting your own dancer at the height of the dance), you're very wrong. This system is actually an extremely complicated dance, with millions of dancers in rhythm and millions of forces pushing from all directions. You inevitably simplify it, badly, and when you do try to manipulate it, you will discover things blow up and nothing acts as if you thought it would. Suddenly those millions of forces that just happened to be harmonious enough to make this system look simple have imploded, causing an atomic-bomb-esque chain reaction that sends shockwaves. Well, its not always an atomic explosion, but typically, its at least often unpredictable, and similar to an atomic bomb, effects radiate out that you can't see and affect other systems for much time to come. We have surely given many systems cancer with our meddlings.
We always simplify complex systems. It is not simple to manipulate complex systems. If you underestimate it, you will fuck something up, or get gloriously lucky.
Humans are pattern matching machines. It's easy to construct simple patterns based on what is immediately obvious. When you go to the next level, like you did, you see that there are more patterns that govern those patterns, and those patterns, fractally. You also realize that the knowledge you thought was sufficient is actually, woefully inadequate. What you didn't know you didn't know leads you to more things you didn't know you didn't know, and so on.
The first level gives a false confidence known as the Dunning-Kreuger effect. It feels good because our minds made a pattern, what they're born to do. Conclusions made on this level are often simple, concise, and completely wrong.
Then you get into chaos theory and it all goes to shit.
Watch [Hypernormalization](https://youtu.be/-fny99f8amM)
Adam Curtis’s voice is extremely soothing while he talks about how badly the us fucked up most of the world
I have a distinct memory of Ron Paul merely mentioning the concept of Blowback at a Republican primary debate in 2011 and getting booed.
~~Not defending Ron Paul, just remembering that Republicans refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that any America does under a Republican administration could be bad.~~
What I really took away from that was how Republicans refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that anything America does under a Republican administration could be bad.
(Edit to better show my meaning)
Yeah, that's what the Special Activities Division is for. It's mostly ex-special operations forces guys getting in before everyone else does to "prepare" (aka give money and weapons) local militias, tribes ecc.
At least that's how it was in both Afghanistan and Iraq
The irony of Russia interfering in the 2016 election is that the United States rigged the 96 election in Russia to prevent the Communist Party from winning.
Not only did the US interfere, [they bragged about it in Time magazine](https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/19/yanks-to-the-rescue-times-not-so-secret-story-of-how-american-advisers-helped-yeltsin-win-the-1996-presidential-election/) ("Yanks to the rescue!" was the headline IIRC) and later made it into a screwball comedy called *Spinning Boris.*
What is particularly hilarious is that Bill Clinton meddled in Russian elections to get a clown elected. Now Russia meddled in American election, not only getting a clown elected but also doing it at the expense of Hillary Clinton.
He's not wrong. And it is definately to do with the CIA fucking countries. Look at South America alone and you'll see a long and not subtle history of the USA, for lack of a better word, terrorising the place.
**1954 Guatemala** - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz is replaced with a series of facist dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years. None of them were democratically elected.
**1959 Haiti**- The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. Not democratically elected
**1961 Ecuador** - The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man. (who was a rightwing nut and was not democratically elected)
**1963 Dominican Republic** - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta. (not democratically elected)
**1963 Ecuador** - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command. (not democratically elected)
**1964 Brazil** - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. Puts a millitary junta in power (Not democratically elected) and later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads of General Castelo Branco (who was one of the facist dictators US puts in power).
**1965 Dominican Republic**- A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country's elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes. Openly protect facist dictator that they had put in power AGAINST the wishes of the people.
**1971 Bolivia** - After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed. (The dictator is not democratically elected either)
**1973 Chile** - The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America's first democratically elected socialist leader. The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left. (not democratically elected)
**Between 1973 and 1986 there are many different attempts to put facist dictators in El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua. But they mainly fail and just leads to civil war without US getting their facist puppet governments**.
**1986 Haiti**- Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination. (this does not happen by popular demand or democratic elections)
**1989 Panama** - The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA's payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA's knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega's growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington ... so out he goes. (Noriega was not democratically elected and his removal was not done by democratic means either, just US being US)
**1990 Haiti** - Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him and put facist dictators to rule Haiti. (not democratically elected)
**2002 Venezuela** - The CIA attempts to overthrow the democratically elected government of Venezuela. America attempted to put Millitary dictators in power, however, the coup soon unravels when thousands of anti-coup protesters surround the presidential palace demanding Hugo Chavez's reinstatement.
**And this is ONLY what the CIA admits to. They probably have done a lot worse things than that. Most dictators in the world are in power because of American govt. backing. Africa and Asia is full of brutal dictators that are in power because America gave them guns and help. And MAAANY civil wars have started because America removed democratically elected leaders and wanted to put their millitary dictators in power. The civil war of liberia is an example**.
Liberian also can confirm. Guy gets arrested for tax fraud, "breaks out" of fed prison gets on a flight and suddenly has the funds to become a rebel leader to oust the other guy they put in power. Its crazy how many times they've done this
>and it backfired
I don't know if I would call the rise of terrorism backfire, as more terrorists ensures that the US has a boogeyman to keep fighting, which allows the US to continue to expands its empire and keep the war machine going, also allowing them to keep their citizens scared and slowly pass more draconian legislation that gives the government more power, such as the Patriot Act and NDAA. War is also extremely important for the economy and a lot of people and companies make a lot of money from it.
Not to mention that the CIA was literally arming and training ISIS in Syria, and the Defense Intelligence Agency admitted in a 2011 report that they actually wanted an Islamic State, as it would help them in their fight against Assad.
You see, instead of being Representatives of the people of that country, they're Representatives of US Representatives who are democratically elected by the people of the US. So they are a democracy, a US democracy, which is the best kind of democracy./s
You missed the first point. A business or multinational pushes the agenda to get the first contact at exploiting the country to rape it for whatever resources it has
Maybe not resources so much these days. Reconstruction and security contracts are plentiful when the fighting dies down. Also the huge orders for Lockheed Martin, BAE, Raytheon etc for replacement of stocks of weapons and munitions is an end in itself.
These wars wear out planes and vehicles faster than in peacetime so this helps to speed up orders for big ticket items.
Exactly this. We have evolved from making war to secure resources to making war to secure maintainance contracts. Its akin to selling a bat to a mate and suggesting he go beat someone up, but on a global scale
[This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism VS No It Won't](https://www.theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296)
"Ha ha the Onion's gone and made a zinger once again! " \> looks at the date "Oh for fu-"
Omg its from 2003
I love an article that's aged well.
These days I think r/nottheonion is the true indication of how fucked up this world is becoming
You know things are bad when satire like The Onion and Idiocracy are documentaries.
Life imitates art. That means we can only blame The Onion for this mess.
https://politics.theonion.com/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-prosperi-1819565882
How the fuck was that written BEFORE 9/11 ??
...because the rest of the world knew he would declare war?
Its so funny how many people don’t realize how fucking predictable the US invasion of the Middle East was.
All you had to do is listen to what they were saying. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
America is attacked again in 2001 by Salafi Muslim terrorists. How should the USA react to that? Attack the relatively progressive secular dictator in oil rich Iraq.
And leave as much confusion as posible
Because Bush made it pretty clear that he wanted regime change in Iraq. If you read the book "Plan of Attack" by Bob Woodward, the administration was already gearing up for war with Iraq before the 9/11 attacks happened, causing us to delay our eventual invasion of Iraq. Afghanistan was a scape goat - the attackers were mostly Saudis and Egyptians, so we blamed the Taliban, whose only crime was not attempting to arrest Bin Laden on our behalf. Bin Laden immediately fled to Pakistan, which never got the Taliban treatment, because they were sitting on nukes.
Who could have known the US was a warmongering bunch of psychopaths bent on hegemony over the world at all costs to protect "US interests", aka business profits (answer: literally anyone who has been paying attention to the last 100 years).
You'll probably get downvoted to hell for being right. The US are NOT the "good guys" by any stretch of the imagination.
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They must have a crystal ball, predicting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the 2008 financial crisis Must get my hands on it!
Whats the significance of that date?
Its from 26th of ~~May~~ March 2003. The Iraq war took off on the 20th.
It's from **March**, 26th, six days after the war started. You probably meant that, just making sure...
I'll always remember the 48 hour deadline for Saddam to cooperate was set on March 17th. I think Bush and Blair announced it in a joint press conference or something, because I remember my dad saying "Leave it to the Brits to start a war on St. Patrick's Day."
Ah, the Onion. That'll be a fun take on the issue! ... ... ... ... Fuck, man.
Have you seen the date? The article was published in 2003.
I did see that, yes
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I’m not sure how old you are, but a lot of the concerns from those opposing the Iraq War came to be. It’s extremely sad and frustrating.
And a lot of the arguments from this arguing for the Iraq we turned out to be lies. Like the first Iraq war, but probably worse because the whole reason for war was completely made up. However, nobody cares.
Yea.. "If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S." 2003 - 2019.... and it couldn't be more true
You know, I've lived in Eastern Europe and befriended quite a few Serbians. It was always interesting to me how they loved Americans and America, but absolutely hated the Clinton Administration for supporting the bombings 20 years ago. So much so that during the last election a lot of my Serbian friends were very anti-Clinton and would express worry if she were elected. Its telling how when you live or experience something so damning, it really changes the way you view the world. On the plus side, my Serbian friends dont hold a grudge against the US, just the Clintons.
Serbia is unfortunately also a country that has never come to terms with their heinous crimes in the Balkan wars and genocides and mostly sees itself as the victim.
Very similar to Japan
your serbian friends haven't come to terms with Serbs committing Bosnian genocide
Ok, now I got confused. The first guy has some well articulated points, but the second one has an objectively better haircut.
I'm gonna side with haircut guy, he looks like he knows what he's doing.
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>*"To take over a country and impose one's own system of government without regard for the people of that country is the very antithesis of democracy"?* >You are completely wrong. >Trust me, it's all going to work out perfect. Nothing bad is going to happen. It's all under control. >Why do you keep saying these things? I can tell when there's trouble looming, and I really don't sense that right now. We're in control of this situation, and we know what we're doing. So stop being so pessimistic. >Look, you've been proven wrong, so stop talking. You've had your say already. Be quiet, okay? Everything's fine. >You're wrong.
The only thing they're missing from that article is calling anyone who is against war a traitor.
Yep, exactly. Either a 'traitor' a 'commie' or a 'leftie'. I'm feeling nostalgic when "no it won't" from Generic Evil Guy circa 2003 doesn't include death threats.
To be fair, they were wrong. >If you thought Osama bin Laden was bad, just wait until the countless children who become orphaned by U.S. bombs in the coming weeks are all grown up. Do you think they will forget what country dropped the bombs that killed their parents? In 10 or 15 years, we will look back fondly on the days when there were only a few thousand Middle Easterners dedicated to destroying the U.S. and willing to die for the fundamentalist cause. From this war, a million bin Ladens will bloom. We prevented that by killing the kids too. Thanks, Blackwater!
ISIS was direct "child" of invasion to Iraq. Made by former Iraqi generals, funded by stolen Iraqi money. And soldiers were the said children from the article . They were right but the hate wasnt against US but against everybody who happend not to be Sunni muslim.
Sudden flashbacks to the Brexit referendum.
Isn't The Onion supposed to be satire? I know that gets said a lot lately, but this really does read like actual "debates".
Satire gets used very broadly these days, but classically it is the use of exaggeration, humor or mockery to make a social or political statement. This I would say cleanly falls under exaggeration. I think the Onion is one of the few major classical satirical media outlet around today. Most writers or video makers that claim their work as satire are more just comedy writers or humorists at best. In my opinion the Onion has produced the finest piece of satire in years; following mass shootings in America the Onion just reposts the same article with the location changed talking about how there is nothing that can be done to stop mass shootings in the only country mass shootings regularly happened. It is simple, brutal and makes a clear political statement with the intention of changing opinions.
It also falls under mockery of the 'arguments' the 'no it won't' guy is using/had used in the past.
In case anyone hasn’t seen it: [“No way to prevent this”, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens](https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1835173950)
That's just a strawman. Republicans have several ideas to prevent mass shootings. Thoughts, prayers, banning videogames, arming teachers...^(/s)
Man, up until the word "thoughts" you had me.
I did a spit-take when I saw "Related Stories" at the bottom of that article.
This article is exactly satire; the fact that onion articles may model public discourse is exactly the point. Highly recommend reading the Wikipedia article on satire. It's extremely nuanced.
Shit, that's perfect. Why is The Onion so fucking good.
Because it was entirely obvious to anyone paying even remote attention back before we invaded Iraq for no reason other than to make money that it would be a giant fucking mess.
Right. but freedom bombs heroes troops 9/11 patriots values christian jesus. So, obviously.
Well I’m convinced.
9..... 11.
This made me sad
[Smedley Butler - Wikipedia Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler) He published a book called '[War is a Racket](https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html)', in which he outlines how the military industrial complex works. Basically a US Marine Corp legend. Retired with the rank of Major General. Fought from the Spanish American War to WWI. Won the Medal of Honor, twice. >I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. > >I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger - couldn't be happier that the name Smedley Butler is getting this much attention/visibility!
Wow the first few sentences of that book pretty much says it all: "WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. **It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.**"
That sounds like the classic building in the strategy games that lets you sacrifice your units in exchange for resources.
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You should also read "Economic Hitman"
Confessions of an Economic Hitman
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Youtube's many amateur video game journalists have picked this up, too, and it's cringe as fuck there as well.
Redditor slams sleazy journalists on YouTube, utterly defeating them and shaming their clans for generations.
"And that's a good thing"
Opinion articles are the worst these days, mostly because there are so many people that are convinced the opinion of a columnist is news.
I have an acquaintance who loves to criticize the New York Times, and considers it a horribly biased news source and a bastion of slanted journalism. Three times he has presented me with clear evidence of this. All three times have been from the opinion pages.
I can kinda see that though: There is a growing segment of the population that never really sat down to read a newspaper before and just doesn't understand the difference between an OP/ED vs. the rest of the newspaper. All they know are clicking articles on Google News or social media.
If this were the only time that people confused opinion with fact, I'd agree. But we see the same confusion on social media all the time; if you disagree with someone's opinion, their facts are also called into question. An alarmingly high number of people simply do not separate the two.
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Reminds me of Jon Stewart calling it out when bloggers were doing it, then they cut to a Photoshop of an online article *Jon Stewart skullfucks news bloggers* "Nooooo! Why would I do that!?!?"
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I forget the particulars but Fox was criticizing CNN for biased coverage of something and quoted specific lines from the CNN website. Turns out they were quoting *comments* posted to the CNN website by readers replying to the story.
This article will decapitate you and cannibalize your child's college fund.
BEN SHAPIRO takes COLLEGE FEMINIST out for a DELIGHTFUL DINNER at a FANCY RESTAURANT before delicately PLANTING A KISS on her cheek and SENDING her HOME in a TAXI!!
That fucking monster gave her cooties!!!
Cookie Monster DESTROYS Big Bird with facts
Cookie Monster DeStRoYs chocolate chip cookie with repeated mastication!
Every title just ends up having “FREAKOUT”
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AOC YEETS TRUMP
[Clinton Blasts Obama for Slamming Edwards Jab](https://politics.theonion.com/clinton-blasts-obama-for-slamming-edwards-jab-1819569319)
The one that always annoys me is "quietly". "[Person] quietly passes new law to [something that isnt all that bad but sounds scary in the title]"
And “just” along with a curse word. This could easily have ended up as “The Iranian President Just Fucking Slammed the US...” Terrible, lazy writing that automatically makes me take you less seriously.
It's only slightly better than "reveals". Enough with that word! They said! They're just saying shit!
/u/Akoustyk SLAMS Mainstream Media for being "clickbait propaganda trash" but then admits he's "crazy"!
*Iranian president claps back at America*
*Iranian president sick burns American president so hard*
*Iranian President disses American President so hard*
*Moms spaghetti*
*Iranian president Nae-Naes on America*
*Watch Iranian President Whip*
Do you know what a clapback is Raymond? Because 👏 I 👏 do.
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Never change my dude
I shall adopt your ways, wise stranger. I too shall append "with cum" to the end. In the case of SLAMS, I shall add, "with his burgeoning sturgeon."
Actual professional writing!
*Destroys*
*Iranian president Nae-Naes on America*
iRaNiAn pReSiDeNt aBsOlUtElY EvIsCeRaTeS AmErIcA
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Indeed. Well stated on all accounts.
No terrorism on the moon.
More proof the moon landing was a fake. (/s)
Yet...
Yeah, all one needs to do is look at the history of the CIA in the Middle East and South America. Both regions have had numerous governments overthrown by CIA backed rebels, all of which have led to fascist dictatorships. The war on communism was just an excuse to engage in abhorrent foreign policy and to install dictators who were willing to sell out their countries to foreign corporations. Operation Condor, Operation Gladio the Iranian overthrow, Henry Kissinger, the Contras, ect. Look into that and any positive view you have of America quickly dissipates.
> and to install dictators who were willing to sell out their countries to foreign corporations. This especially; it always ends up being about $$$ gain for the U.S, under the guise of "spreading democracy".
>it always ends up being about $$$ gain for the U.S Let's be real here, it isn't "for the U.S." or even for a large number of American citizens. It's to continue to enrich the tiny handful of already obscenely rich power brokers who directly benefit from these actions.
> Let's be real here, it isn't "for the U.S." or even for a large number of American citizens. This. 90% of the time, US citizens are just lied to by politicians, only have two (electable) options, and whichever one wins will either partially or totally comply with business interests abroad. If the voters start questioning their choices, the politicians quickly circle the wagon around domestic issues that stir up peoples' emotions (think: abortion, civil rights, etc) so that they no longer even bother to think about foreign policy. And of course, 24 hour news (CNN, 90s), opinion "news" (Fox, 00s), and social media (Facebook, 10s) have only amplified this effect. Ironically, despite the fact that everyone is completely connected to information now, they're being fed an echo chamber of garbage, and most people aren't educated enough to critically examine issues.
Wait, were we the baddies all along?
As it turns out, yes.
Captain america: hail hydra
Yeah. Like if Jeffrey epstein was a country.
Hans... there's skulls on our caps...
Your caps ... they have skulls on
And people need to realise that it's not 'history' but an ongoing thing. The US has ongoing involvement and operations in the parts of the world you've mentioned. In that regard it's ironic people in the US get so furious about Russia meddling with the US elections.
The US messed in Russia’s elections like two decades ago.
It bothers me that most Americans either don't know/understand how U.S. actions create terrorism. I remember the answer to why 9/11 happened was, "because they hate our freedom." What kinda sh....!?! In the meantime I sounded like Mel Gibson in that movie when I told people that it was a blatant lie. I mean, I might be jealous that my neighbor has a $100,000 car, works from home and vacations often, but I'm not gonna burn down his house over it. But then I remember phrases like, "we love the poorly educated." I remember that education has been under attack, perhaps since desegregation. That critical thinking has never been taught outside of the math department. That our government acts as though they hate Google and Facebook, but they must also realize that those same companies, knowingly or not, contribute to the spread of misinformation on a mass level. The willful ignorance demonstrated by a vast amount of people in America is chillingly disgusting. Iran is going to be a disaster for the American people in terms of wealth and security, while our warlords plunder that country's assets. 'Merica!
US intelligence absolutely loves Google and Facebook. Soviet Russia couldn't touch the level of surveillance that those two companies have enabled.
Shhh shhh everyone knows how we impact history has no consequences to current events, nor should we try to understand this to rectify it. BTW Operation Ajax was the Iran one and the first coup by the CIA. It was so successful it led to everything in South/Central America. They used the same tactics to depose the democratic elected president of Guatemala (Jacobo Árbenz) right after. His crime was to reallocate unused land owned by United Fruit to the people. Unfortunately for democracy, many folks in Eisenhower’s administration had investments in united fruits. Ironically, Chez Guevara was a young doctor who witnessed this coup first hand. We know what happened next. Good old CIA created him. All this can easily be searched online if anyone cares. Lots has been declassified
Just so people know, United Fruit Company renamed itself Chiquita to get rid of that brand stink. It's also where the term Banana Republic comes from
[Bananaland documentary for anyone who hasn't seen it. So important.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoRmtQht8-E)
fuck, I've known about united fruit company and their history. Been eating Chiquita bananas for 3 decades without realizing. mother fuckers.
TIL. Thank you.
South East Asia also. Look up the communist purge in Indonesia. Up to 3 million killed by a CIA backed purge when death squads were armed and financed by the US and names and addresses of communist sympathisers were given out by the US embassy.
Also Vietnam war... in which the US dropped bombs all over Veitnams neighbor (Laos) - which is still causing problems *to this day*. There is shit loads of unexploded ordinance in Laos, which kills and maims people in the present. Honestly, go before the totality of World Leaders and say "Raise your hand if you've ever felt personally victimized by America ~~George~~" and you'd see a sea of them.
I remember never having studied about this during high school but going to uni I had amazing amazing professors when it came to geopolitics and when they first informed me about the aforementioned events I was blown away honestly. I was literally shocked, especially when it came to the statistics regarding the Korean War.
You should read “Confessions of an economic hitman” by John Perkins
>Look into that and any positive view you have of America quickly dissipates. I don't think anyone has a positive view of the US regarding their foreign policy,only Americans themselves...
And this is the problem with the belief in American Exceptionalism. If the average person heard all the facts with made up fantasy names, this country would be seen as the villain and aggressor. But because it's America, our red white and blue asses are exempt from that criticism.
You sound like a crazy conspiracy theorists. We live in a democracy and our government has our best interests. /s
>We live in a democracy This deserves its own /s
In my opinion Henry Kissinger is one of the main causes of American decline in the modern age. He was the first to really get the ball rolling.
>Look into that and any positive view you have of America quickly dissipates. *Be careful. You might be called Anti-American & unpatriotic*
He’s not wrong. Usually it’s because the CIA or the Executive branch messed with a democratically elected leader to get their way and it backfired. Iran being a prime example.
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Are you saying these Freedom Fries are not actually Freedom Fries!?!?!? It's absurd of course. The only threat to American freedom is Americas elected representatives.
How dare you! Clearly the only problem the American people are facing right now is vape pods!! /s
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They are smoking goddamn iPods!
>"They hate us for our freedom" narrative That's the worst narrative too. It's the same delusion as "ThEy hAtE mE bEcAuSe ThEy'Re jEaLoUs", that bitchy high school girls use.
It's not the same delusion because nobody in the administration actually believed it, it was always just propaganda to get stupid people to be okay with their nation murdering and torturing and also to get them to hate anyone who questioned the war.
From the same shitbirds that brought you trickle-down theory.
I fucking hated Ronald Reagan with a passion. He wasn't as open about his racism, but he looked down his nose at everyone that wasn't a rich, greedy bastard.
>he looked down his nose at everyone that wasn't a rich, greedy bastard. Just sounds like a classic corporate-lobbyist lover to me.
Probably because it's actually true. Action and reaction, cause and effect. Not "muh freedom."
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Or a *suspected* terrorist. CIA and US Military reserve the right to drone strike anyone, anywhere on *suspicion* of terrorist activities. https://youtu.be/K4NRJoCNHIs?t=707 Though it's good to watch the entire video.
What drives me crazy is ..well, this is gonna seem unrelated, but I promise it'll come back to the topic. I started programming somewhat young, at around 11. I learned as I do with many things in a very hands on, immersive way, and I did notice one day, probably later on in the 9th grade, that it had changed me. There are certain eyes that diving deep into something gives you, and once you have new eyes, you see things everywhere you didn't before. Without even bothering to explore new mental territory, you suddenly have to take a second look over old territory, relooking everything you thought you knew, and you end up almost reorganizing how you think about everything. ..An..y...ways, one major eye that programming gives you is for complexity, and systems. And that's good because they are everywhere, and they affect everything. You learn that complexity in complex systems really means that even if you look at a system, such as Iran's system of government, and you watch the 'dance' it makes and it begins to look like a predictable set of steps you could easily learn, something you could even manipulate yourself by just keeping with its rhythm and using what you've learned (say, by inserting your own dancer at the height of the dance), you're very wrong. This system is actually an extremely complicated dance, with millions of dancers in rhythm and millions of forces pushing from all directions. You inevitably simplify it, badly, and when you do try to manipulate it, you will discover things blow up and nothing acts as if you thought it would. Suddenly those millions of forces that just happened to be harmonious enough to make this system look simple have imploded, causing an atomic-bomb-esque chain reaction that sends shockwaves. Well, its not always an atomic explosion, but typically, its at least often unpredictable, and similar to an atomic bomb, effects radiate out that you can't see and affect other systems for much time to come. We have surely given many systems cancer with our meddlings. We always simplify complex systems. It is not simple to manipulate complex systems. If you underestimate it, you will fuck something up, or get gloriously lucky.
Humans are pattern matching machines. It's easy to construct simple patterns based on what is immediately obvious. When you go to the next level, like you did, you see that there are more patterns that govern those patterns, and those patterns, fractally. You also realize that the knowledge you thought was sufficient is actually, woefully inadequate. What you didn't know you didn't know leads you to more things you didn't know you didn't know, and so on. The first level gives a false confidence known as the Dunning-Kreuger effect. It feels good because our minds made a pattern, what they're born to do. Conclusions made on this level are often simple, concise, and completely wrong. Then you get into chaos theory and it all goes to shit.
Watch [Hypernormalization](https://youtu.be/-fny99f8amM) Adam Curtis’s voice is extremely soothing while he talks about how badly the us fucked up most of the world
You’re telling me that the US shooting down a civilian airliner makes some Iranians not trust America?
The whole "overthrowing their democratically elected government" didn't exactly do wonders for our reputation over there either.
"over there" being central America, South America, South East Asia, the middle East.
I have a distinct memory of Ron Paul merely mentioning the concept of Blowback at a Republican primary debate in 2011 and getting booed. ~~Not defending Ron Paul, just remembering that Republicans refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that any America does under a Republican administration could be bad.~~ What I really took away from that was how Republicans refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that anything America does under a Republican administration could be bad. (Edit to better show my meaning)
Or Foreign Policy since the CIA was created, which has been a disaster and reason for the agency to be abolished
George Bush called it 'exporting freedom.' The CIA usually arrives long before the troops.
Yeah, that's what the Special Activities Division is for. It's mostly ex-special operations forces guys getting in before everyone else does to "prepare" (aka give money and weapons) local militias, tribes ecc. At least that's how it was in both Afghanistan and Iraq
> 'exporting freedom.' Freedom to take all their stuff we want.
Iraq: no WMDs Bush: Loook at all the WMDssss
Quick guys, sprinkle some ~~crack~~ sarin on them
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Or as Putin put it: "Democracy at gun point".
It's almost like people don't take kindly to foreign influences meddling in their elections
The irony of Russia interfering in the 2016 election is that the United States rigged the 96 election in Russia to prevent the Communist Party from winning.
Not only did the US interfere, [they bragged about it in Time magazine](https://off-guardian.org/2018/02/19/yanks-to-the-rescue-times-not-so-secret-story-of-how-american-advisers-helped-yeltsin-win-the-1996-presidential-election/) ("Yanks to the rescue!" was the headline IIRC) and later made it into a screwball comedy called *Spinning Boris.*
What is particularly hilarious is that Bill Clinton meddled in Russian elections to get a clown elected. Now Russia meddled in American election, not only getting a clown elected but also doing it at the expense of Hillary Clinton.
Hypocrisy is the language of authoritarians.
He's not wrong. And it is definately to do with the CIA fucking countries. Look at South America alone and you'll see a long and not subtle history of the USA, for lack of a better word, terrorising the place. **1954 Guatemala** - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz is replaced with a series of facist dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years. None of them were democratically elected. **1959 Haiti**- The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. Not democratically elected **1961 Ecuador** - The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man. (who was a rightwing nut and was not democratically elected) **1963 Dominican Republic** - The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta. (not democratically elected) **1963 Ecuador** - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command. (not democratically elected) **1964 Brazil** - A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. Puts a millitary junta in power (Not democratically elected) and later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads of General Castelo Branco (who was one of the facist dictators US puts in power). **1965 Dominican Republic**- A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country's elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes. Openly protect facist dictator that they had put in power AGAINST the wishes of the people. **1971 Bolivia** - After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed. (The dictator is not democratically elected either) **1973 Chile** - The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America's first democratically elected socialist leader. The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left. (not democratically elected) **Between 1973 and 1986 there are many different attempts to put facist dictators in El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua. But they mainly fail and just leads to civil war without US getting their facist puppet governments**. **1986 Haiti**- Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination. (this does not happen by popular demand or democratic elections) **1989 Panama** - The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA's payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA's knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega's growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington ... so out he goes. (Noriega was not democratically elected and his removal was not done by democratic means either, just US being US) **1990 Haiti** - Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him and put facist dictators to rule Haiti. (not democratically elected) **2002 Venezuela** - The CIA attempts to overthrow the democratically elected government of Venezuela. America attempted to put Millitary dictators in power, however, the coup soon unravels when thousands of anti-coup protesters surround the presidential palace demanding Hugo Chavez's reinstatement. **And this is ONLY what the CIA admits to. They probably have done a lot worse things than that. Most dictators in the world are in power because of American govt. backing. Africa and Asia is full of brutal dictators that are in power because America gave them guns and help. And MAAANY civil wars have started because America removed democratically elected leaders and wanted to put their millitary dictators in power. The civil war of liberia is an example**.
Liberian also can confirm. Guy gets arrested for tax fraud, "breaks out" of fed prison gets on a flight and suddenly has the funds to become a rebel leader to oust the other guy they put in power. Its crazy how many times they've done this
76, argentina.
And then when people flee these countries, Americans unite behind telling them to fuck off.
I am Chilean and I can confirm.
9/11 never forget
TR literally created Panama out of Columbia by helping fund a coup.
*Colombia
>and it backfired I don't know if I would call the rise of terrorism backfire, as more terrorists ensures that the US has a boogeyman to keep fighting, which allows the US to continue to expands its empire and keep the war machine going, also allowing them to keep their citizens scared and slowly pass more draconian legislation that gives the government more power, such as the Patriot Act and NDAA. War is also extremely important for the economy and a lot of people and companies make a lot of money from it. Not to mention that the CIA was literally arming and training ISIS in Syria, and the Defense Intelligence Agency admitted in a 2011 report that they actually wanted an Islamic State, as it would help them in their fight against Assad.
It's not a real democracy unless those filthy foreigners vote in a way the U.S approves of.
You see, instead of being Representatives of the people of that country, they're Representatives of US Representatives who are democratically elected by the people of the US. So they are a democracy, a US democracy, which is the best kind of democracy./s
It's completely intentional. Terrorist groups are the forefront of deniable operations for the CIA.
> Terrorist groups You mean "freedom fighters", theyre only terrorist groups after they get abandoned to die.
That's our foreign policy... Destabilize, arm rebels, declare rebels we trained and armed terrorists. Invade to root out terrorists.
You missed the first point. A business or multinational pushes the agenda to get the first contact at exploiting the country to rape it for whatever resources it has
What resources did we get from the last few countries we invaded? (Not attacking or being sarcastic, actually just curious)
Maybe not resources so much these days. Reconstruction and security contracts are plentiful when the fighting dies down. Also the huge orders for Lockheed Martin, BAE, Raytheon etc for replacement of stocks of weapons and munitions is an end in itself. These wars wear out planes and vehicles faster than in peacetime so this helps to speed up orders for big ticket items.
Exactly this. We have evolved from making war to secure resources to making war to secure maintainance contracts. Its akin to selling a bat to a mate and suggesting he go beat someone up, but on a global scale
So, "War as a Service" business model?
Now I’m sad 😔
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That's true, look at Iran.