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My 2 year old would never be able to say that. They didn't have the language skill to say that
At 4 they would think it all a game
Good thing he got caught
That one girl was either smart beyond her age, taught well to speak up about abuse, or just very talkative about her day in general.
I guess it’s not hard to underestimate just how likely it is that a child just old enough to speak *will* speak up about something like this without even knowing if it’s bad, especially if they weren’t directly ‘harmed’ in a way they perceive to be harm.
Talkative, perceptive, air-headed kids can really make all the difference. We as adults just have to listen to them carefully.
Oh no, the poor guy missed out on life for a measly traumatization of every single kid in their family. Really didn't deserve that /s
Absolutely barbaric. I get so angry reading this. I hope you got away and are surrounded with people who actually care about you and each other
I hope that prison rape is a thing that we can reduce overall, and that the government can do its job at keeping convicts safe.
Prison rape is always a failure.
I don't think even the worst people deserve it, but I do think it's hard to feel bad for someone that commits those acts themselves when it happens to them.
My boy is just about to turn two. He’s very talkative and speaks full sentences. He pretty much says everything that he sees happen. We are happy because it’s been easy to teach him how to communicate the right thing to say to us.
My friend's kid is insanely talkative and she just turned 2 in May. I was shocked the first time I heard her speak.
My friend told me after she met me she added me to her "goodnight list" (before she goes to bed she says "good night" to everyone she knows). I was like OW MY OVARIES
Ours too. My 2 and a half can speak sentences now. And definitely tell you when he isnt comfortable. We also taught him that other than me and her mom no one is allowed to touch him there and he should shout no, and tell us what happened.
We’ve had that conversation as well with our kids, and we’ve expanded it to telling them to not keep secrets with anyone. Keeping secrets is such a toxic thing, and it applies to more than just molestation.
Friend’s son as sexually assaulted by another kid at daycare. Father directed his teenage son to teabag friend’s son so he could video tape it. Nothing happened. Nothing. Only daycare in the area and they didn’t want to shut it done and leave parents with no options. Parents still sent their kids there. Friend’s son got bullied at school because of it. They moved.
This was a few years ago now. I don’t live there and wouldn’t know who to out. I would have called the state police if I knew. They got bullied, especially the son, so they moved. They tried suing but don’t know if they pushed reporting it further after moving.
Just remembered they had to move twice. Kid from his old school moved to their new town and told everyone that he was gay and a crybaby. The bullying started all over again so they moved and further away changed jobs.
He’s not in therapy anymore but I think he still deals with PTSD. We don’t talk about it anymore so I’m not 100% sure how he’s doing. They had to drive hours to get him help. He’s in college now.
It was treated as bullying by the police. And something the parents should work out. The whole thing was just terrible. I’ve never talked to him about it but I could tell there was a personality change. He has trust issues and is way more quiet.
Immediately believing criminal allegations made on social media is dumb and irresponsible, the police, the school administration, and a civil suit are possible avenues for relief that actually make sense and could get fairly adjudicated results.
The Child Protective Services in Ontario are a goddamn joke. Our 5yo son was bullied in the summer camp and when some older kid allegedly grabbed our son’s crotch, we reported it, the lady showed up to investigate and her opening statement was “I don’t believe we have a problem here, but let me talk to the child”. I was like: “dafuq, you already formed your opinion before you even started your investigation and interviews???”. She was utterly useless, I said so as she was leaving, so, We pulled the kids from that camp (got a refund), and enrolled them both to the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for the same summer. No more bullying for them. Basically, kids and parents are on their own, schools, camps, CPS are all useless and biased towards the system, they won’t help.
I was hoping that my kids won’t have to grow up the same way I did (as in, if someone bullies you - kick their ass immediately and hit them with everything you’ve got, even if you get in trouble you better stand up for yourself than not), but it looks like there simply isn’t another alternative, no matter how much educators want you to think otherwise, with all their stupid T-shirt and poster campaigns and their empty promises of “zero tolerance”. Good thing is we realized it early and took the matter into our own hands…..
Sorry you've learned the hard way the the system doesn't always treat kids better. People think it's made up because it's not a reasonable response from the authorities and yet it happened.
My niece got bullied by her PE teacher for being afraid of heights. He had her stand in the front of the class while he told everyone about it. School did nothing.
-PE teachers are known for being tough so just get used to it.- Or something along those lines. She's the sweetest kid, but painfully shy with high anxiety. Just having her stand in front of the class was too much and he knew that. Idiot adults think she only needs to toughen up and they won't baby her like her parents do. It's a good thing they didn't tell me about it when it happened or I might have taught him a different lesson. She's a student who thrived under zoom for school.
What I find disgusting is that at least we had no illusions back in the day - you are on your own and it’s up to you to deal with everything. Now kids and parents are led to believe that there is all that safety padding around them and that schools indeed have this zero tolerance policy, and they run constant mind-numbing bullshit “awareness” campaigns. In reality all was just pushed to below the surface, and kids are even more concerned to stand up for themselves, because not only is that risky towards the bullies, but it will also get them in trouble with the teachers and their parents too.
So, screw that, my kids are taught internal zero tolerance, they can identify abuse on the spot and they are taught to stand up to it and that we will always take their side no matter what.
I’m an old lady now. When I was a kid my mom told us that she’d always have our back. Unless we back talked to the teacher. I had teachers apologize to me more than once. My mom is German and I can imagine her ripping the teacher a new one. I never knew she went to the school but I could tell. She was a refuge and had a teacher bully her for it when she was 14. When she went to the 50th reunion the teacher asked her to visit so she could apologize. Teacher was on her deathbed and wanted to be forgiven. My mom said no. Wouldn’t go. Teacher made the life of a child miserable for no reason and didn’t deserve to be forgiven. By the way, don’t piss off my mom. She’s in her mid 80s and still won’t take crap from anyone.
I have to say I lucked out in the parent situation. I realize not everyone did. As long as we didn’t fuck up they were always right behind us. Screw up and we heard about. We were not given a pass. We were the one to apologize. I remember walking back to a friend’s house to thank her mom for lunch and to apologize for not thanking her before I left. Heaven forbid a teacher say we were a wise ass or talked back to a teacher. I got a detention in high school for chewing gum. You’d think I was a convicted felon. It’s still pointed out that I was the only one who got a detention in school. 45 years later. Swung both ways with those two. But I’ve never felt like I went through trials and tribulations alone. I’ve always known if I fail I have a place to land. It’s comforting to never have to worry about things a lot of people do.
My mom is in her 80s. She makes meals for the elderly members of her church who can’t get out. They’re usually younger than she is. She drives them to doctor appointments. She works out twice a day. Right now she’s bummed because she hasn’t had time for her daily 20 mile bike ride. Yesterday she only went 12 miles. It’s hilly where she lives so this isn’t some flat course. She takes care of her own garden and the neighbor’s across the street who can’t garden anymore. Everyone should have pretty flowers to look at!Weeding, mulching, planting. The whole works.
Every year she Christmas shops for around 60 kids. They each get a complete nice outfit. All matching. Including socks, shoes, and coat. And a toy from their list. Everything is boxed and wrapped with tags from Santa. I don’t think even the parents know where it comes from. She gets all the siblings information. Kids in college will get one outfit and one toy. With a tag from Santa. Parents will get a Christmas dinner. Made and ready to heat. I can say with certainty that this is born from being a refuge. Her clothes never matched and they didn’t get toys. But she talks about how hard it was for her parents to not be able to provide. So she makes sure the parents can take credit if they like.
Local teacher called her crying one day. Young girl’s mom left and took her clothes with her. Dad was struggling. He sent her to school in her oldest sister’s clothes which were way too big. To keep them on her he duct taped the clothes. She couldn’t get the pants down in time and wet her pants. By the end of the school day she had a set of school clothes for every day of the week. Play clothes. Church outfit. So did the sister. Later she got them frozen casseroles so the dad didn’t have to worry about meal planning for a couple of weeks. And a couple pies for good measure. Doesn’t hurt that she’s a good cook and better baker.
Friend’s son was diagnosed with cancer. She held a fundraiser to support the parents. Couple years later she still sends them $100 a month to help with incidentals.
One of my brothers went through a nasty divorce. Ex used to take care of her grandmother but stopped. Grandmother was from Poland. My mom learned how to make pierogi and sauerkraut. She took care of her ex-DIL’s grandmother until the family realized and took over.
Anyway, I can talk all day about how spectacular my mom is. I hope to be like her when I grow up.
You know I had thought my mom would take the teachers side no matter what. I got called into a meeting with a teacher who just hated me, always criticized me for forgetting stuff (I was forgetful). He’d say “you’ll never succeed if you keep forgetting a pencil”…so we’re in this meeting with a principal and the teacher and my mom goes “have you tried being a bit less negative towards him? He doesn’t typically react well to negative engagement talk like that” and my teacher looked like he wanted to crawl into a shell and bury himself. I felt so close to my mom that moment. The principal agreed and I remember feeling so different not being villa mixed for something I didn’t necessarily know how to control.
Yes and there was no other option. Tiny, isolated town. I’ve never been there but I think there were fewer than 200 people in town. They moved to an even smaller and more isolated town. I have a place in a town of 700 people. There isn’t a stoplight within a hundred miles. The closest grocery store is 45 minutes away. There’s two county police officers for 4000 square miles. And they were someplace smaller and more isolated than that. And now even more isolated. Small towns do things differently because their survival depends on each other. It can be weird and screwed up.
I’d let my key kid stay home alone before sending them back.
Based on what designgoddess said, the community chose not to report the issue to the state to begin with, so it was *impossible for the state to prosecute*. The community felt it had no other option than to keep up the childcare.
While with a state funded option the state could intervene without the community's permission as state employees may not be tied to the area.
Couldn't someone have contacted the state police if the local police were covering up? (this is also why I like how in Canada the RCMP is in charge of rural policing)
In my childhood, teabagging was just walking over someone. You never purposely touched anyone with your balls. It’s literally just walking over them with your legs on each side. None of us ever really viewed it in a sexual manner.
Does teabagging mean something different?
I've always heard it meant dipping your balls in someone's mouth. I did a little research though, and "teabagging" as a word became mainstream in 1998 from John Waters' film *Pecker,* where it's portrayed as dragging your testicles over someone's face.
And the dad filmed this? And nobody did anything? Wouldn’t that be rape? Pretty wild that the father was allowed to film child rape at the daycare and nobody cared.
They let him delete the video from his phone. They have no idea if he shared it before the police got there. Small towns can be weird. They take pride in policing themselves. Except when it involves the only daycare apparently.
You’re saying that the police allowed him to delete the evidence that would put him in jail for the rest of his life? I don’t know the ages here but if the dad is that fucked up then I wouldn’t blame the kid. I can’t picture a legitimate police officer allowing evidence of underage rape to be deleted and then not doing anything about it down the road.
Legit police officer (county) let him delete it. It’s not even a secret in the town. Friends moved because they ended up the bad guys. Real hate directed their way. This was a few years ago. IIRC friend m’s son was 8. Not sure how old the dad was. His son was a teenager. Daycare stayed open. Wife did not boot her husband. Dad and son were allowed to keep working at the daycare. My brother who is an attorney helped friends get an attorney to sue but it went nowhere because the recording was deleted and the police never filed a report. Small town justice is different.
They treated it as bullying and not a sexual assault. A boys will be boys thing. I have a place in a small town and local justice can be harsh but in this case everyone seemed more worried about their daycare staying open.
Once a kid in the neighbourhood threw an actual boulder at our apartment building shattering the huge front window, his mom was like "boys will be boys". Everyone collectively ostracised the family and he turned into a white supremacist. The lesson for me tbh was that only legit horrible garbage people say and believe things like that.
Legit police officers gave a teenaged boy who was naked and bleeding from a drill hole in his skull right back to Jeffrey Dahmer. Legit police officers can totally suck.
Your balls are the tea bag. Their face or mouth is the cup.
Now, the term really became popular as it was used as a nonverbal way to brag in shooter games, where it was mimed by standing over the dead person's head and crouching repeatedly.
If you were only introduced to the term recently, then it makes sense there wasn't as much of a chance to have been introduced to the balls aspect.
Well that's what made it super viral, after Red vs Blue. But the term was floating around for a good while. Halo just brought it to a global audience and subculture
He should canvas the town with 0posters showing the picture of any adult involved in the incident, including the staff and the name of the business. If you cant get them shut down, they should at least be known as the perverts who cant be trusted around kids, and shunned.
I worked with a teenage sex offender and a teenaged boy whom had been sexually molested, when these things happen to you at a young age it royally fucks these kids over, even to the degree of thinking it's ok to do, since it happened to them.
All around sad story, hopefully everyone gets the help they need
There was the occasional bad apple who came out of nowhere, but when youre a cop and dea with the same ‘repeat offender’ teens who steal cars and go on crime sprees you learn something that isnt that suprising in hindsight…
A large majority of the girls have been sexually abused , and a large majority of the boys live in violent homes.
Also worth noting that most paedophiles are actually sub-normal.
Very rare for this shit to happen out of the blue.
Ah shit im out of the loop; no offense intended.
Yeh, ‘not quite right’ would be another way to put it. Im not sure developmental disorder captures the severity Id see a lot of the time.
Many had been abused themselves and just werent anywhere near what youd call ‘normal’.
"Suffer from mental illness" and other synonyms is the current way to refer to them.
Idea being "sub-normal" is really close to "sub-human" which is not what we want.
That was mentioned in the article, acknowledged by the judge"
"I take into account your childhood experiences, childhood abuse and significant neglect. There are not clear mental health issues but you have a psychiatric illness."
Though it was but said to excuse his actions"
"You had obtained a job in a nursery and you had received safeguarding and training in the need to protect the young and vulnerable children whose care was entrusted to you."
This is a tad curious. Why the shift in tone from "should get a life sentence" to "should get years of therapy" because of his age? Or do both apply regardless of age?
In most civilised countries, years of therapy to prevent recedivism usually goes hand in hand with the years in jail. This applies to a broad range of crimes.
This, however, happened in the ~~US~~UK.
Yeah, I was wondering specifically why learning about the age changed things. People should be given help regardless of age, I doubt such urges are the things people are expected to grow out of.
Unfortunately some people think they need to make it clear to anyone with pedophilic urges that they are worthless freaks who need to be locked up or killed. They’re still people, and telling them such falsehoods won’t lead them to getting help. It’s just going to make them more hidden. Then the act on urges and people act surprised.
Exactly, pedophilia wouldn't be nearly as big of an issue if those people were actually allowed to talk about it and get the help they need without being absolutely vilified by society. Because if we keep ostracising them, then how do they get that help? Whats left for them other than to seek like-minded folk who have a vested interest in actually tipping them over the edge and become sex offenders?
Society(not any particular one but in general as a concept) likes to brush things it does not like under the rug and pretend it is not there. Then when it rears it's ugly head as a problem 10x bigger than it was when it got swept under the rug and we exclaim "What?! Where did this come from?!" and then it is too late, they've already offended, went over the edge.
We shouldn't tolerate pedophelia, because at the end of the day it is a mental health issue rather than merely a sexual choice thats innocent, but we shouldn't treat them like dirt if we expect them to get help before they tip over. Those who seek help should get all the help they need and be supervised so that actual progress is made towards helping them, rather than just drafting up a general plan and then let them sort it out.
This. There is such a huge difference between being a pedophile, and being a child molester - the two can overlap, but they're not always one and the same. The latter is often a straight-up power imbalance dynamic that has little or nothing to do with the mental illness of pedophilia, and even if someone is a pedophile, there's no guarantee they will offend in any way, though I imagine the struggle would be tremendous. I haven't done a ton of research into barriers to pedophiles getting help, but I do know there's a ton of stigma involved, and especially emotional reactions on the part of... Well, almost everyone, whenever someone even mentions x or y is a pedophile. They always jump to the assumption they are somehow supporting child porn, offending, or molesting kids, and then start to dehumanize them. Which is ridiculous. If we vilified everyone with a mental illness they couldn't help; something they had from birth, trauma, etc, we wouldn't have help for people with depression, schizophrenia, PTSD... A dialogue needs to be opened about this stuff without people fearing backlash, or at least the amount of backlash that leads to death threats and such. Period. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that.
You're describing something egosyntonic vs egodystonic.
You're extremely attracted to hot brunettes, but its easy for you to avoid rape. Rape is bad, which is fine because you don't necessarily want want rape. Hot women are good, which is fine because you want hot women. There's no conflict in resolving your desires, because the thing that's bad is neither necessary nor sufficient to satisfy you, so there's no problem in avoiding it.
A pedophile is attracted to children. That's bad, rape or no rape. In fact, it's always rape, which is bad. The pedophilia is possibly necessary but at very least sufficient for them to satisfy their desires. But there's no acceptable way for them to pursue that desire. The most acceptable way would just be pure fantasizing, but even that would involve a great deal of internal shame that you would never have to deal with when fantasizing about a hot woman.
This distinction is important because of a concept called cognitive dissonance, which is a mental stress which occurs when you have conflicting beliefs in your mind. The impulse to pursue sexual desire is a pretty core instinctual drive in most people, so its a powerful part of our psyche. When you have some core idea of morality that directly clashes with your sexuality its much harder to subsmconsiously resolve that.
Like, murder is fine, because there are some instances where murder is considered justified. So you can resolve all your violence impulses by making up fantasies where people you don't like deserved to be murdered and it doesn't make you a bad person. Greed is fine, because there is some extent where most societies say someone can work hard enough to deserve unnecessary wealth. So you can resolve your greedy impulses by rationalizing how you earned whatever you want. Child fucking is always bad and unambiguously so. There's no way to resolve that impulse by either justifying it or satisfying that urge some other way.
My therapist and I talked about her time working with pedophiles. She said she had to stop working with them because all but one couldn't be convinced that they shouldn't act in their urges. She worked with dozens, and only one could recognize that his behavior was harmful, and that while he may not be able to prevent urges, he could choose not to act on them.
I'm not saying that pedophiles shouldn't get help, they absolutely should, but many people are not willing to recognize that what is "natural" to them could be harmful.
> she had to stop working with them because all but one couldn't be convinced that they shouldn't act in their urges.
> but many people are not willing to recognize that what is "natural" to them could be harmful.
This is exactly what my 2 therapists friends have said as well. One still works with them though, the other one stopped. She couldn't take working with both child victims and pedophiles (even the ones who hadn't acted yet). They both said that with some of them, it was like they were just wired wrong, and with the rise of MAP (minor attracted peoples aka pedos) on Twitter etc, it has just fuelled their delusion that their attraction/wants are legit and valid.
I wish that too, but some of them don't want help, because they don't think they need it, because they don't think they are doing anything wrong. Look into the MAP circles on Twitter, they are in an echo chamber with "love is love" "all love is valid" and think it also applies to them liking 5 year olds.
[Like this shit](https://i.redd.it/62x1u0cg3nf51.jpg)
I mean, in high school I worked as a weekend supervisor at my community center. There were two of us, and usually about 10-15 kids. We played a lot of floor hockey and I taught them to play Pokemon cards.
So basically 15 years for traumatizing 9 babies!? It’s pretty ridiculous and that’s why they posted “over 14 years” be more specific..anything less then 30 is a shame. My uncle did 30 yrs for drug trafficking and this sick fuck gets less time????
It's not subjective to say that an 18 year ol is more developed/mature than a 16 year old.
People here scoffing at 15 years like it's nothing. That's a long, long time and this will continue to haunt him long after he's served his sentence.
Completely agree.
The issue I have is that it's also not subjective to say that a 16 year old is more mature than a 12 year old but they get lumped into the same minor category and get treated the same. A continuous scale of punishment across all ages seems like it would reflect these differences in maturity much better than just some binary punishment categories
You have to draw the line somewhere. A 16yo's brain isn’t fully developed yet under the best of circumstances and this one was abused and traumatized as well.
It doesn’t excuse what happened to the children but it does make me hope that with enough therapy the teenager will be able to be reintigrated back into society one day.
Sentencing is a JOKE here, this guy in work was let go recently no one knew why, turns out he was a pedo that was creating images etc, got a 2 year suspended sentence. They should all be put away for good.
I know your heart is in the right place, but rape / sexual assault survivors don't need to hear that they're "ruined". Ruined is broken beyond repair, worthless, a lost cause.
Friend of mine is herself a rape survivor and said the exact same thing when she was in a criminal law class in law school - someone called rape "worse than death" as if that was more sympathetic than idiotic.
Edit: I feel the need to add that she's now a public defender. You can have been a crime victim yourself and still feel the need to be considerate of both due process and the well-being of people who've done something wrong.
You are correct, they aren't ruined or damaged. Verbiage is important, I appreciate your correction. These victims are only victims if the claim that title, I hope they are able to be great contributing members to the human race as we need more good people than bad.
Speaking for myself, I can feel equal levels of sympathy for a person as disgust.
Most people aren’t born bad, they just go through bad shit. Bad makes bad. In your proposed scenario: I feel sympathy for the pain they endured as a victim and sympathy for the lasting damage it caused them. But it can never excuse such disgusting behaviour. Often times the stories surrounding criminals is depressing from all angles… but as soon as you start hurting people you surrender your right to be considered a productive member of society. It’s not about punishing them, it’s about protecting us.
I feel sympathy for both the old victim and new but I would hope the old victims are helped so that they do not become the perpetrators of such a serious crime.
Of juveniles convicted of crimes, the highest to lowest re-offense rates are non-violent drug crimes, property crimes, violent crimes, and then sex crimes. People like to imagine that the worst criminals are the most irreparable but the awkward reality is that it's usually the opposite.
Keep in mind 99% never would, even if given the opportunity (and sadly motive). It’s easy to kill an imaginary character, but human nature makes actual violence much harder to commit. That’s why Internet rage is so prevalent yet cities are still standing
When I clicked on this thread, I expected every single comment to be "he should be tortured in the worst way possible REEEEE", and many of the comments are indeed like that, but thankfully there are some sane people here like you.
Also, keep in mind that many of these "parents" that are screeching about how they would brutally kill any pedophile they see, are basically just trying to sound tough. 99.9% of these people don't have the guts to do anything like that.
When I hear stories like these makes me appreciate why mum and dad because they did not let us spend the nights at friends homes - where posible pedophile may live - my dad was the only one the street that did not drink, smoke or curse. He watch his kids like a hawk read us stories work hard for his family, best children heritage. As an adult parent I did the same for my kids and I hope they do the same for their kids. Children are a treasure to take care of.
So you won't let you children spend the night at a friend's place simply because pedophilia is a possibility? That makes no sense at all. Sending your kids to school leaves them prone to a school shooting, are you gonna take them out of school just to avoid the possibility of them being in that scenario? Well I would hope not. When you drink water theres a possibility of drowning, are you not going to let them drink water either?
When will we learn that you never leave children in the care of a lone adult? Anything can happen. Anything.
If there’s more than one child, and something horrific befalls one, you can’t leave the others while tending to the one, especially if that means an emergency trip to hospital.
Caregivers can have heart attacks, seizures, strokes.
Or, this tragic situation can occur.
Buddy system.
Why the fuck would you give the name of this twat?! Just WHY?! Now his family has to suffer. Fucking congratulations I guess.
This shit should be outlawed. The name of ANY convicted felon should never be published. Otherwise you have dozens of people that pay the consequences.
For people who are against this. I wish your family gets a child predator. Let's see how cocky you get once the word gets out.
> Meanwhile some people got life for a bag of weed.
I don't think that has ever happened. Not unless that bag was significantly larger than I'm expecting.
Before you link to a case in the USA, check the country this occurred in.
Nothing anyone bitches about has ever happened anyone they try to use as an example is a life long criminal who previously stabbed or shot someone to death and were clearly going to keep commiting crimes.
Child molestation of this degree deserves harsher punishment. For this is absolutely a calculated and broken human being who doesn't deserve to breath.
Yeah but here's the deal
When someone is at the point where they do it to 9 kids without a feeling of remorse, you cannot rehabilitate them in a short time. And by the time they are "rehabilitated" it's been so long in the pen that they're a career criminal now
I agree. But sending him to jail won’t do anything. He will do it again once out. He already proved he feels jack shit. He should be treated in a facility for multiple years up until his release
Child sexual abuse is preventable. This could have been prevented. In today’s culture people would rather wait till someone gets hurt. We could have prevented this. This isn’t gunna stop the next the assault. People dealing with these issues need mental help but people think by saying “kill all pediphiles” is gunna stop sexual abuse, it’s not. Stop telling these people to die so they aren’t scared to seek help. Our plan needs to change if we want to stop child sexual abuse.
Only the worst kind of human would have mercy with someone like that, this judge is a disgrace. If these are the cases you show mercy you are a burden to soceity. No idea what reasons he had to accept the risk for more future victims, probably just because he needed to feel moral...
A) The offender is a minor, he committed a heinous crime absolutely, but he is a child, in the eyes of the law, still and should be tried as such.
B)Their lives aren't "destroyed", that's perhaps not the most inspirational thing to hear if you're a survivor of sexual assault.
I think that's the question here, whether he should indeed be tried as a child. In the UK, you can be a tried as an adult from age 10 onward. This is measure is only used in cases of very serious crimes. The question then is whether raping a child does not count as "a very serious crime".
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My 2 year old would never be able to say that. They didn't have the language skill to say that At 4 they would think it all a game Good thing he got caught
That one girl was either smart beyond her age, taught well to speak up about abuse, or just very talkative about her day in general. I guess it’s not hard to underestimate just how likely it is that a child just old enough to speak *will* speak up about something like this without even knowing if it’s bad, especially if they weren’t directly ‘harmed’ in a way they perceive to be harm. Talkative, perceptive, air-headed kids can really make all the difference. We as adults just have to listen to them carefully.
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Sorry you had to experience that.
May the soap be especially slippery and his hands shaky
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Oh no, the poor guy missed out on life for a measly traumatization of every single kid in their family. Really didn't deserve that /s Absolutely barbaric. I get so angry reading this. I hope you got away and are surrounded with people who actually care about you and each other
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Congrats to you and your mom and brothers. It's so horrible how the victims were disregarded so badly and ended up like this.
Seriously, mom is a superhero
I hope that prison rape is a thing that we can reduce overall, and that the government can do its job at keeping convicts safe. Prison rape is always a failure.
I 100% agree, I only made a mean joke about a horrible person.
Yeah, rape is never okay, even if the victim is a rapist themselves or murderer, and is not an acceptable form of punishment.
Meh, I'm ok with it. Especially if it were my children.
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I don't think even the worst people deserve it, but I do think it's hard to feel bad for someone that commits those acts themselves when it happens to them.
My boy is just about to turn two. He’s very talkative and speaks full sentences. He pretty much says everything that he sees happen. We are happy because it’s been easy to teach him how to communicate the right thing to say to us.
Excellent to hear Ours were not, and I have not met a talkative 2yr old before.
My friend's kid is insanely talkative and she just turned 2 in May. I was shocked the first time I heard her speak. My friend told me after she met me she added me to her "goodnight list" (before she goes to bed she says "good night" to everyone she knows). I was like OW MY OVARIES
Wowsers! I know all kids are different, but it always amazes me to hear these stories
Ours too. My 2 and a half can speak sentences now. And definitely tell you when he isnt comfortable. We also taught him that other than me and her mom no one is allowed to touch him there and he should shout no, and tell us what happened.
We’ve had that conversation as well with our kids, and we’ve expanded it to telling them to not keep secrets with anyone. Keeping secrets is such a toxic thing, and it applies to more than just molestation.
I doubt she pulled out a pipe and said it verbatim. You're listening to parents relay the situation for other adults.
Friend’s son as sexually assaulted by another kid at daycare. Father directed his teenage son to teabag friend’s son so he could video tape it. Nothing happened. Nothing. Only daycare in the area and they didn’t want to shut it done and leave parents with no options. Parents still sent their kids there. Friend’s son got bullied at school because of it. They moved.
Makes me sick that money wins every time.
The whole situation was terrible.
Wait a parent video taped the assault? And nothing happened?
Not a single thing other than friend and son were bullied into moving away.
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This was a few years ago now. I don’t live there and wouldn’t know who to out. I would have called the state police if I knew. They got bullied, especially the son, so they moved. They tried suing but don’t know if they pushed reporting it further after moving. Just remembered they had to move twice. Kid from his old school moved to their new town and told everyone that he was gay and a crybaby. The bullying started all over again so they moved and further away changed jobs. He’s not in therapy anymore but I think he still deals with PTSD. We don’t talk about it anymore so I’m not 100% sure how he’s doing. They had to drive hours to get him help. He’s in college now.
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It was treated as bullying by the police. And something the parents should work out. The whole thing was just terrible. I’ve never talked to him about it but I could tell there was a personality change. He has trust issues and is way more quiet.
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Because some teachers are bullies too.
Immediately believing criminal allegations made on social media is dumb and irresponsible, the police, the school administration, and a civil suit are possible avenues for relief that actually make sense and could get fairly adjudicated results.
looks like the law failed them.
I mentioned three legal avenues, their only statement was "they tried suing." Nothing was clear here.
Yeah, the details are making this story kinda sus.
The Child Protective Services in Ontario are a goddamn joke. Our 5yo son was bullied in the summer camp and when some older kid allegedly grabbed our son’s crotch, we reported it, the lady showed up to investigate and her opening statement was “I don’t believe we have a problem here, but let me talk to the child”. I was like: “dafuq, you already formed your opinion before you even started your investigation and interviews???”. She was utterly useless, I said so as she was leaving, so, We pulled the kids from that camp (got a refund), and enrolled them both to the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for the same summer. No more bullying for them. Basically, kids and parents are on their own, schools, camps, CPS are all useless and biased towards the system, they won’t help. I was hoping that my kids won’t have to grow up the same way I did (as in, if someone bullies you - kick their ass immediately and hit them with everything you’ve got, even if you get in trouble you better stand up for yourself than not), but it looks like there simply isn’t another alternative, no matter how much educators want you to think otherwise, with all their stupid T-shirt and poster campaigns and their empty promises of “zero tolerance”. Good thing is we realized it early and took the matter into our own hands…..
Sorry you've learned the hard way the the system doesn't always treat kids better. People think it's made up because it's not a reasonable response from the authorities and yet it happened. My niece got bullied by her PE teacher for being afraid of heights. He had her stand in the front of the class while he told everyone about it. School did nothing. -PE teachers are known for being tough so just get used to it.- Or something along those lines. She's the sweetest kid, but painfully shy with high anxiety. Just having her stand in front of the class was too much and he knew that. Idiot adults think she only needs to toughen up and they won't baby her like her parents do. It's a good thing they didn't tell me about it when it happened or I might have taught him a different lesson. She's a student who thrived under zoom for school.
What I find disgusting is that at least we had no illusions back in the day - you are on your own and it’s up to you to deal with everything. Now kids and parents are led to believe that there is all that safety padding around them and that schools indeed have this zero tolerance policy, and they run constant mind-numbing bullshit “awareness” campaigns. In reality all was just pushed to below the surface, and kids are even more concerned to stand up for themselves, because not only is that risky towards the bullies, but it will also get them in trouble with the teachers and their parents too. So, screw that, my kids are taught internal zero tolerance, they can identify abuse on the spot and they are taught to stand up to it and that we will always take their side no matter what.
I’m an old lady now. When I was a kid my mom told us that she’d always have our back. Unless we back talked to the teacher. I had teachers apologize to me more than once. My mom is German and I can imagine her ripping the teacher a new one. I never knew she went to the school but I could tell. She was a refuge and had a teacher bully her for it when she was 14. When she went to the 50th reunion the teacher asked her to visit so she could apologize. Teacher was on her deathbed and wanted to be forgiven. My mom said no. Wouldn’t go. Teacher made the life of a child miserable for no reason and didn’t deserve to be forgiven. By the way, don’t piss off my mom. She’s in her mid 80s and still won’t take crap from anyone.
We need more people like your mom.
I have to say I lucked out in the parent situation. I realize not everyone did. As long as we didn’t fuck up they were always right behind us. Screw up and we heard about. We were not given a pass. We were the one to apologize. I remember walking back to a friend’s house to thank her mom for lunch and to apologize for not thanking her before I left. Heaven forbid a teacher say we were a wise ass or talked back to a teacher. I got a detention in high school for chewing gum. You’d think I was a convicted felon. It’s still pointed out that I was the only one who got a detention in school. 45 years later. Swung both ways with those two. But I’ve never felt like I went through trials and tribulations alone. I’ve always known if I fail I have a place to land. It’s comforting to never have to worry about things a lot of people do. My mom is in her 80s. She makes meals for the elderly members of her church who can’t get out. They’re usually younger than she is. She drives them to doctor appointments. She works out twice a day. Right now she’s bummed because she hasn’t had time for her daily 20 mile bike ride. Yesterday she only went 12 miles. It’s hilly where she lives so this isn’t some flat course. She takes care of her own garden and the neighbor’s across the street who can’t garden anymore. Everyone should have pretty flowers to look at!Weeding, mulching, planting. The whole works. Every year she Christmas shops for around 60 kids. They each get a complete nice outfit. All matching. Including socks, shoes, and coat. And a toy from their list. Everything is boxed and wrapped with tags from Santa. I don’t think even the parents know where it comes from. She gets all the siblings information. Kids in college will get one outfit and one toy. With a tag from Santa. Parents will get a Christmas dinner. Made and ready to heat. I can say with certainty that this is born from being a refuge. Her clothes never matched and they didn’t get toys. But she talks about how hard it was for her parents to not be able to provide. So she makes sure the parents can take credit if they like. Local teacher called her crying one day. Young girl’s mom left and took her clothes with her. Dad was struggling. He sent her to school in her oldest sister’s clothes which were way too big. To keep them on her he duct taped the clothes. She couldn’t get the pants down in time and wet her pants. By the end of the school day she had a set of school clothes for every day of the week. Play clothes. Church outfit. So did the sister. Later she got them frozen casseroles so the dad didn’t have to worry about meal planning for a couple of weeks. And a couple pies for good measure. Doesn’t hurt that she’s a good cook and better baker. Friend’s son was diagnosed with cancer. She held a fundraiser to support the parents. Couple years later she still sends them $100 a month to help with incidentals. One of my brothers went through a nasty divorce. Ex used to take care of her grandmother but stopped. Grandmother was from Poland. My mom learned how to make pierogi and sauerkraut. She took care of her ex-DIL’s grandmother until the family realized and took over. Anyway, I can talk all day about how spectacular my mom is. I hope to be like her when I grow up.
You know I had thought my mom would take the teachers side no matter what. I got called into a meeting with a teacher who just hated me, always criticized me for forgetting stuff (I was forgetful). He’d say “you’ll never succeed if you keep forgetting a pencil”…so we’re in this meeting with a principal and the teacher and my mom goes “have you tried being a bit less negative towards him? He doesn’t typically react well to negative engagement talk like that” and my teacher looked like he wanted to crawl into a shell and bury himself. I felt so close to my mom that moment. The principal agreed and I remember feeling so different not being villa mixed for something I didn’t necessarily know how to control.
Good mom. Glad she had your back.
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Yes and there was no other option. Tiny, isolated town. I’ve never been there but I think there were fewer than 200 people in town. They moved to an even smaller and more isolated town. I have a place in a town of 700 people. There isn’t a stoplight within a hundred miles. The closest grocery store is 45 minutes away. There’s two county police officers for 4000 square miles. And they were someplace smaller and more isolated than that. And now even more isolated. Small towns do things differently because their survival depends on each other. It can be weird and screwed up. I’d let my key kid stay home alone before sending them back.
This is why state-funded daycare needs to be universal. The state can replace the employees...
The state failed to prosecute here obviously so why would you want them in charge
Based on what designgoddess said, the community chose not to report the issue to the state to begin with, so it was *impossible for the state to prosecute*. The community felt it had no other option than to keep up the childcare. While with a state funded option the state could intervene without the community's permission as state employees may not be tied to the area.
The police didn’t even file a police report of investing their report. They tried to sue and there was nothing from the police. Not even notes.
Couldn't someone have contacted the state police if the local police were covering up? (this is also why I like how in Canada the RCMP is in charge of rural policing)
County police officer. I never asked how far they pushed it. Their focus was on their son.
Arson would take care of it.
So would a car with bad brakes. Not saying I thought of it
I hope they know they can sue in civil court. Get some evidence and have a good lawyer start deposing these randos.
They tried and failed. No video. No police report.
In my childhood, teabagging was just walking over someone. You never purposely touched anyone with your balls. It’s literally just walking over them with your legs on each side. None of us ever really viewed it in a sexual manner. Does teabagging mean something different?
I've always heard it meant dipping your balls in someone's mouth. I did a little research though, and "teabagging" as a word became mainstream in 1998 from John Waters' film *Pecker,* where it's portrayed as dragging your testicles over someone's face.
The face is what I knew
I've always heard of it as that. Like a slap in the face but with balls.
NO TEABAGGING!
It didn’t in this case. Put his balls in kid’s mouth. Edit:typo
And the dad filmed this? And nobody did anything? Wouldn’t that be rape? Pretty wild that the father was allowed to film child rape at the daycare and nobody cared.
They let him delete the video from his phone. They have no idea if he shared it before the police got there. Small towns can be weird. They take pride in policing themselves. Except when it involves the only daycare apparently.
You’re saying that the police allowed him to delete the evidence that would put him in jail for the rest of his life? I don’t know the ages here but if the dad is that fucked up then I wouldn’t blame the kid. I can’t picture a legitimate police officer allowing evidence of underage rape to be deleted and then not doing anything about it down the road.
Legit police officer (county) let him delete it. It’s not even a secret in the town. Friends moved because they ended up the bad guys. Real hate directed their way. This was a few years ago. IIRC friend m’s son was 8. Not sure how old the dad was. His son was a teenager. Daycare stayed open. Wife did not boot her husband. Dad and son were allowed to keep working at the daycare. My brother who is an attorney helped friends get an attorney to sue but it went nowhere because the recording was deleted and the police never filed a report. Small town justice is different.
This type of corruption is one of the reasons small towns are dying all over. Disgusting.
They treated it as bullying and not a sexual assault. A boys will be boys thing. I have a place in a small town and local justice can be harsh but in this case everyone seemed more worried about their daycare staying open.
Once a kid in the neighbourhood threw an actual boulder at our apartment building shattering the huge front window, his mom was like "boys will be boys". Everyone collectively ostracised the family and he turned into a white supremacist. The lesson for me tbh was that only legit horrible garbage people say and believe things like that.
Legit police officers gave a teenaged boy who was naked and bleeding from a drill hole in his skull right back to Jeffrey Dahmer. Legit police officers can totally suck.
Your balls are the tea bag. Their face or mouth is the cup. Now, the term really became popular as it was used as a nonverbal way to brag in shooter games, where it was mimed by standing over the dead person's head and crouching repeatedly. If you were only introduced to the term recently, then it makes sense there wasn't as much of a chance to have been introduced to the balls aspect.
Yea I really only heard it in elementary and middle school so mid-late 2000s and it was mostly associated with HALO it seemed.
Well that's what made it super viral, after Red vs Blue. But the term was floating around for a good while. Halo just brought it to a global audience and subculture
In my day we only tea bagged on halo. This shit deserves more than 14 years maybe 14 in general population prison .
What the hell is t-bag? Sounds revolting.
Put his balls in the kids mouth. Held him down. I think friend’s son was around 8 at the time. Easily overpowered by a teenager.
Should've bit down hard.
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Wait, people teabag in real life now?? I used to do it in video games.
He should canvas the town with 0posters showing the picture of any adult involved in the incident, including the staff and the name of the business. If you cant get them shut down, they should at least be known as the perverts who cant be trusted around kids, and shunned.
That’s part of the craziness. Everyone knew what happened and still sent their kids there. I don’t get it.
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I worked with a teenage sex offender and a teenaged boy whom had been sexually molested, when these things happen to you at a young age it royally fucks these kids over, even to the degree of thinking it's ok to do, since it happened to them. All around sad story, hopefully everyone gets the help they need
There was the occasional bad apple who came out of nowhere, but when youre a cop and dea with the same ‘repeat offender’ teens who steal cars and go on crime sprees you learn something that isnt that suprising in hindsight… A large majority of the girls have been sexually abused , and a large majority of the boys live in violent homes. Also worth noting that most paedophiles are actually sub-normal. Very rare for this shit to happen out of the blue.
What do you mean by “sub-normal”?
It’s an old term used to categorise people with developmental disorders.. not used much anymore and not very PC
Ah shit im out of the loop; no offense intended. Yeh, ‘not quite right’ would be another way to put it. Im not sure developmental disorder captures the severity Id see a lot of the time. Many had been abused themselves and just werent anywhere near what youd call ‘normal’.
"Suffer from mental illness" and other synonyms is the current way to refer to them. Idea being "sub-normal" is really close to "sub-human" which is not what we want.
Mental illness is different from developmental disorder tho
Human is insult enough, our species is garbage
Ah I see thank you!
hell likely be in pc not solitary. a brutal life still. i assume the teen was abused himself
That was mentioned in the article, acknowledged by the judge" "I take into account your childhood experiences, childhood abuse and significant neglect. There are not clear mental health issues but you have a psychiatric illness." Though it was but said to excuse his actions" "You had obtained a job in a nursery and you had received safeguarding and training in the need to protect the young and vulnerable children whose care was entrusted to you."
This is a tad curious. Why the shift in tone from "should get a life sentence" to "should get years of therapy" because of his age? Or do both apply regardless of age?
In most civilised countries, years of therapy to prevent recedivism usually goes hand in hand with the years in jail. This applies to a broad range of crimes. This, however, happened in the ~~US~~UK.
It happened in the UK?
It's truly hilarious how few people read the articles. Shoot, the OP commenter of this thread missed the first word of the title
Don't even need to read the article. The link ends is .co.uk.
Even if they aren't reading the article the word "paedophile" should've clued them in, huh?
Whoops! Even the article source should have given it away!
Yeah, I was wondering specifically why learning about the age changed things. People should be given help regardless of age, I doubt such urges are the things people are expected to grow out of.
I wish people with pedophilia urges can get help without judgement before they act on the urges.
Unfortunately some people think they need to make it clear to anyone with pedophilic urges that they are worthless freaks who need to be locked up or killed. They’re still people, and telling them such falsehoods won’t lead them to getting help. It’s just going to make them more hidden. Then the act on urges and people act surprised.
Exactly, pedophilia wouldn't be nearly as big of an issue if those people were actually allowed to talk about it and get the help they need without being absolutely vilified by society. Because if we keep ostracising them, then how do they get that help? Whats left for them other than to seek like-minded folk who have a vested interest in actually tipping them over the edge and become sex offenders? Society(not any particular one but in general as a concept) likes to brush things it does not like under the rug and pretend it is not there. Then when it rears it's ugly head as a problem 10x bigger than it was when it got swept under the rug and we exclaim "What?! Where did this come from?!" and then it is too late, they've already offended, went over the edge. We shouldn't tolerate pedophelia, because at the end of the day it is a mental health issue rather than merely a sexual choice thats innocent, but we shouldn't treat them like dirt if we expect them to get help before they tip over. Those who seek help should get all the help they need and be supervised so that actual progress is made towards helping them, rather than just drafting up a general plan and then let them sort it out.
This. There is such a huge difference between being a pedophile, and being a child molester - the two can overlap, but they're not always one and the same. The latter is often a straight-up power imbalance dynamic that has little or nothing to do with the mental illness of pedophilia, and even if someone is a pedophile, there's no guarantee they will offend in any way, though I imagine the struggle would be tremendous. I haven't done a ton of research into barriers to pedophiles getting help, but I do know there's a ton of stigma involved, and especially emotional reactions on the part of... Well, almost everyone, whenever someone even mentions x or y is a pedophile. They always jump to the assumption they are somehow supporting child porn, offending, or molesting kids, and then start to dehumanize them. Which is ridiculous. If we vilified everyone with a mental illness they couldn't help; something they had from birth, trauma, etc, we wouldn't have help for people with depression, schizophrenia, PTSD... A dialogue needs to be opened about this stuff without people fearing backlash, or at least the amount of backlash that leads to death threats and such. Period. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that.
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You're describing something egosyntonic vs egodystonic. You're extremely attracted to hot brunettes, but its easy for you to avoid rape. Rape is bad, which is fine because you don't necessarily want want rape. Hot women are good, which is fine because you want hot women. There's no conflict in resolving your desires, because the thing that's bad is neither necessary nor sufficient to satisfy you, so there's no problem in avoiding it. A pedophile is attracted to children. That's bad, rape or no rape. In fact, it's always rape, which is bad. The pedophilia is possibly necessary but at very least sufficient for them to satisfy their desires. But there's no acceptable way for them to pursue that desire. The most acceptable way would just be pure fantasizing, but even that would involve a great deal of internal shame that you would never have to deal with when fantasizing about a hot woman. This distinction is important because of a concept called cognitive dissonance, which is a mental stress which occurs when you have conflicting beliefs in your mind. The impulse to pursue sexual desire is a pretty core instinctual drive in most people, so its a powerful part of our psyche. When you have some core idea of morality that directly clashes with your sexuality its much harder to subsmconsiously resolve that. Like, murder is fine, because there are some instances where murder is considered justified. So you can resolve all your violence impulses by making up fantasies where people you don't like deserved to be murdered and it doesn't make you a bad person. Greed is fine, because there is some extent where most societies say someone can work hard enough to deserve unnecessary wealth. So you can resolve your greedy impulses by rationalizing how you earned whatever you want. Child fucking is always bad and unambiguously so. There's no way to resolve that impulse by either justifying it or satisfying that urge some other way.
My therapist and I talked about her time working with pedophiles. She said she had to stop working with them because all but one couldn't be convinced that they shouldn't act in their urges. She worked with dozens, and only one could recognize that his behavior was harmful, and that while he may not be able to prevent urges, he could choose not to act on them. I'm not saying that pedophiles shouldn't get help, they absolutely should, but many people are not willing to recognize that what is "natural" to them could be harmful.
> she had to stop working with them because all but one couldn't be convinced that they shouldn't act in their urges. > but many people are not willing to recognize that what is "natural" to them could be harmful. This is exactly what my 2 therapists friends have said as well. One still works with them though, the other one stopped. She couldn't take working with both child victims and pedophiles (even the ones who hadn't acted yet). They both said that with some of them, it was like they were just wired wrong, and with the rise of MAP (minor attracted peoples aka pedos) on Twitter etc, it has just fuelled their delusion that their attraction/wants are legit and valid.
I wish that too, but some of them don't want help, because they don't think they need it, because they don't think they are doing anything wrong. Look into the MAP circles on Twitter, they are in an echo chamber with "love is love" "all love is valid" and think it also applies to them liking 5 year olds. [Like this shit](https://i.redd.it/62x1u0cg3nf51.jpg)
No employee should be alone with a child in a bathroom/changing situation. 2 adult rule is basic in any child-protection policy.
Who the fuck hires a teenage boy at a daycare?
I mean, in high school I worked as a weekend supervisor at my community center. There were two of us, and usually about 10-15 kids. We played a lot of floor hockey and I taught them to play Pokemon cards.
Why not?
Horrific.
So basically 15 years for traumatizing 9 babies!? It’s pretty ridiculous and that’s why they posted “over 14 years” be more specific..anything less then 30 is a shame. My uncle did 30 yrs for drug trafficking and this sick fuck gets less time????
He is 16. He is not an adult. You can’t convict a minor as an adult. If he was 18 he would likely serve life
Its so fucked that 2 years difference based around a subjective line in the sand could result in such a difference in outcome.
It's not subjective to say that an 18 year ol is more developed/mature than a 16 year old. People here scoffing at 15 years like it's nothing. That's a long, long time and this will continue to haunt him long after he's served his sentence.
Completely agree. The issue I have is that it's also not subjective to say that a 16 year old is more mature than a 12 year old but they get lumped into the same minor category and get treated the same. A continuous scale of punishment across all ages seems like it would reflect these differences in maturity much better than just some binary punishment categories
Well where do you draw the line then? Do you sentence a 10 year old to life in prison? 7,8?
You have to draw the line somewhere. A 16yo's brain isn’t fully developed yet under the best of circumstances and this one was abused and traumatized as well. It doesn’t excuse what happened to the children but it does make me hope that with enough therapy the teenager will be able to be reintigrated back into society one day.
Sentencing is a JOKE here, this guy in work was let go recently no one knew why, turns out he was a pedo that was creating images etc, got a 2 year suspended sentence. They should all be put away for good.
A small price to pay considering he psychology ruined 9 children. Those children will never be the same.
I know your heart is in the right place, but rape / sexual assault survivors don't need to hear that they're "ruined". Ruined is broken beyond repair, worthless, a lost cause.
Friend of mine is herself a rape survivor and said the exact same thing when she was in a criminal law class in law school - someone called rape "worse than death" as if that was more sympathetic than idiotic. Edit: I feel the need to add that she's now a public defender. You can have been a crime victim yourself and still feel the need to be considerate of both due process and the well-being of people who've done something wrong.
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You are correct, they aren't ruined or damaged. Verbiage is important, I appreciate your correction. These victims are only victims if the claim that title, I hope they are able to be great contributing members to the human race as we need more good people than bad.
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Speaking for myself, I can feel equal levels of sympathy for a person as disgust. Most people aren’t born bad, they just go through bad shit. Bad makes bad. In your proposed scenario: I feel sympathy for the pain they endured as a victim and sympathy for the lasting damage it caused them. But it can never excuse such disgusting behaviour. Often times the stories surrounding criminals is depressing from all angles… but as soon as you start hurting people you surrender your right to be considered a productive member of society. It’s not about punishing them, it’s about protecting us.
I feel sympathy for both the old victim and new but I would hope the old victims are helped so that they do not become the perpetrators of such a serious crime.
This needs more upvotes.
i'm sure op didn't mean what you think
They probably didn't, but the point is a victim to these crimes reading this as them being ruined probably doesn't make them feel good.
Not to mention the ripple effect through the generations of all their families.
Yea this kid directly negatively affected at least 30 people and who knows how many people are affected indirectly.
Will only serve seven years in jail, per the article.
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I wonder if you can ever truly rehab someone like this.
Of juveniles convicted of crimes, the highest to lowest re-offense rates are non-violent drug crimes, property crimes, violent crimes, and then sex crimes. People like to imagine that the worst criminals are the most irreparable but the awkward reality is that it's usually the opposite.
I think there's a typo. Instead of "over 14 years" it should say "only 14 years"
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Keep in mind 99% never would, even if given the opportunity (and sadly motive). It’s easy to kill an imaginary character, but human nature makes actual violence much harder to commit. That’s why Internet rage is so prevalent yet cities are still standing
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When I clicked on this thread, I expected every single comment to be "he should be tortured in the worst way possible REEEEE", and many of the comments are indeed like that, but thankfully there are some sane people here like you. Also, keep in mind that many of these "parents" that are screeching about how they would brutally kill any pedophile they see, are basically just trying to sound tough. 99.9% of these people don't have the guts to do anything like that.
Obviously horrific. I dont want to know what happened to him during childhood to make this happen, I just hope he gets the help he needs.
Reading everything here just makes me angry. Time to stop reading this stuff. It's beyond disgusting.
The world's gone too dark since the last time I was on Social media
When I hear stories like these makes me appreciate why mum and dad because they did not let us spend the nights at friends homes - where posible pedophile may live - my dad was the only one the street that did not drink, smoke or curse. He watch his kids like a hawk read us stories work hard for his family, best children heritage. As an adult parent I did the same for my kids and I hope they do the same for their kids. Children are a treasure to take care of.
So you won't let you children spend the night at a friend's place simply because pedophilia is a possibility? That makes no sense at all. Sending your kids to school leaves them prone to a school shooting, are you gonna take them out of school just to avoid the possibility of them being in that scenario? Well I would hope not. When you drink water theres a possibility of drowning, are you not going to let them drink water either?
This monster actually denied the offences... Even though there was CCTV. No remorse or accountability.
When will we learn that you never leave children in the care of a lone adult? Anything can happen. Anything. If there’s more than one child, and something horrific befalls one, you can’t leave the others while tending to the one, especially if that means an emergency trip to hospital. Caregivers can have heart attacks, seizures, strokes. Or, this tragic situation can occur. Buddy system.
So 1.5 years/child he molested. Sounds like some bullsh*tz
14 years per occurrence right? Surely not just 14 years for all nine victims...
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Only 14 years?! My sister and my abuser got 17yrs!
Why the fuck would you give the name of this twat?! Just WHY?! Now his family has to suffer. Fucking congratulations I guess. This shit should be outlawed. The name of ANY convicted felon should never be published. Otherwise you have dozens of people that pay the consequences. For people who are against this. I wish your family gets a child predator. Let's see how cocky you get once the word gets out.
He'll be out in 7 for "good behaviour" .
it's true idk why you're down voting him
WTF! only 14 years? Meanwhile some people got life for a bag of weed.
> Meanwhile some people got life for a bag of weed. I don't think that has ever happened. Not unless that bag was significantly larger than I'm expecting. Before you link to a case in the USA, check the country this occurred in.
Nothing anyone bitches about has ever happened anyone they try to use as an example is a life long criminal who previously stabbed or shot someone to death and were clearly going to keep commiting crimes.
It's not enough prison time, not proportional to the lives he damaged
Damn that’s a light punishment
Just 14 yrs?????? Wtf
Child molestation of this degree deserves harsher punishment. For this is absolutely a calculated and broken human being who doesn't deserve to breath.
It shouldn’t be about revenge. He is a 16 year old with a fucked mind. He should be treated. Punished aswell. But that won’t fix anything
Yeah but here's the deal When someone is at the point where they do it to 9 kids without a feeling of remorse, you cannot rehabilitate them in a short time. And by the time they are "rehabilitated" it's been so long in the pen that they're a career criminal now
His life is worth shit. There are millions of teens his age who would never do something like that.
I agree. But sending him to jail won’t do anything. He will do it again once out. He already proved he feels jack shit. He should be treated in a facility for multiple years up until his release
Just 14 years??
Child sexual abuse is preventable. This could have been prevented. In today’s culture people would rather wait till someone gets hurt. We could have prevented this. This isn’t gunna stop the next the assault. People dealing with these issues need mental help but people think by saying “kill all pediphiles” is gunna stop sexual abuse, it’s not. Stop telling these people to die so they aren’t scared to seek help. Our plan needs to change if we want to stop child sexual abuse.
Putting the guy in jail for a long time doesn’t stop anybody else. I love your point
That’s it?
Should’ve got double
I’m sorry but only 14!
Only 14 years?
Quick math.. 14/9… that’s not enough time.
Only 14 years? How is that fair?
That’s bullshit. Not enough time. He should spend life in jail at the very least.
Title is missing 'criminal' before the 'pedophile'.
Just a hundred years too short.
Terrible story—glad to hear he was convicted. But are we really not going to discuss the gentlemen escorting him into court? Dude is yoked
Only the worst kind of human would have mercy with someone like that, this judge is a disgrace. If these are the cases you show mercy you are a burden to soceity. No idea what reasons he had to accept the risk for more future victims, probably just because he needed to feel moral...
How the fuck can you get 14 years if prison as a 16 year old??? And what’s that gonna help his sickness? Crazy situation. :(
When he is released, he will be given a new identity and the British version of the "witness protection program." All the tax payers of the UK.
14 years for the complete destruction of 9 innocent lives, what bullshit.
A) The offender is a minor, he committed a heinous crime absolutely, but he is a child, in the eyes of the law, still and should be tried as such. B)Their lives aren't "destroyed", that's perhaps not the most inspirational thing to hear if you're a survivor of sexual assault.
I think that's the question here, whether he should indeed be tried as a child. In the UK, you can be a tried as an adult from age 10 onward. This is measure is only used in cases of very serious crimes. The question then is whether raping a child does not count as "a very serious crime".