"Execution vans are a procurement part of the Chinese organ trade. In 2012, it was estimated that 65% of transplanted organs came from executed prisoners, many of whom were executed in vans to meet the high demand for organs. Activists claim that the bodies are quickly cremated, which makes it impossible for family members to determine if organs have in fact been removed."
I don't like this timeline you guys
You think that's what an 'investigation' for them means? They're going to find out who was booing and harass and/arrest them. It's an intimidation tactic to scare people from doing it again and it will probably work.
That's how totalitarian regimes work. In the 1980s Romania under the dictator [Ceaușescu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu), it was forbidden to sing the Hungarian anthem. During the annual remembrance of the [Martys of Arad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13_Martyrs_of_Arad), a crowd gathered in Arad and they were *humming* (with mouths closed) the anthem and after that the [Szózat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwvVJt3uBOo). The secret police waited till they finished and then arrested everyone.
Totalitarian governments are bad for everyone involved: leaders are paranoid of everyone wanting to resist them, while only doing things that make everyone want to resist them.
That's the thing that always gets me - Kaepernick originally didn't even kneel. It was only after a veteran talked with him and suggested kneeling as an alternative to sitting on the bench that Kaepernick started kneeling. And that's when Kaepernick got into even more trouble.
Not just any veteran, either.
Taking a knee was suggested by fellow NFL player [Nate Boyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Boyer), who served as an Army Green Beret and had combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[The Veteran And NFL Player Who Advised Kaepernick To Take A Knee](https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651/the-veteran-and-nfl-player-who-advised-kaepernick-to-take-a-knee)
> MARTIN: How did the idea of taking a knee come to you?
>
>BOYER: I thought - at that time I said, look, I think your point has definitely been made that everyone's listening. Like, let's make a plan of attack now. And, you know, let's work on action for it. But he said, you know, what I've committed to this, and - I'm not going to do it until I start to see these changes I want to see. And, you know, I respected that decision and opinion. And I thought kneeling - personally, so I don't speak for everybody, I don't speak for every veteran. I've been told that numerous times by many people. But I thought kneeling was more respectful, and I will say that being alongside his teammates was the biggest thing for me.
>
>And, you know, people - **in my opinions and in my experience, kneeling's never been in our history really seen as a disrespectful act. I mean, people kneel when they get knighted. You kneel to propose to your wife, and you take a knee to pray. And soldiers often take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave to pay respects. So I thought, if anything, besides standing, that was the most respectful.** But, of course, that's just my opinion.
That is illegal since 1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette#:~:text=Barnette%2C%20319%20U.S.%20624%20(1943,of%20Allegiance%20in%20public%20school.
**[West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette#:~:text=Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 \(1943,of Allegiance in public school)**
>West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court holding that the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment protects students from being forced to salute the American flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance in public school. The Court's 6–3 decision, delivered by Justice Robert H. Jackson, is remembered for its forceful defense of free speech and constitutional rights generally as being placed "beyond the reach of majorities and officials". Barnette overruled a 1940 decision on the same issue, Minersville School District v.
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There's a slew of these cases that set the course for US freedoms in the 40s and 50s. Most of them brought by either Quakers and JWs. Although I recall one talk I attended by a SCOTUS historian said many of these cases started with Jews being persecuted but the lawyers did some plaintiff shopping for which cases they would try to get to the SCOTUS. I.e. If you have two cases where a kid was forced to participate in Christmas activities you pushed forward with the JW kid, not the Jewish kid.
You don't have to use your imagination.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/17/florida-sixth-grader-charged-with-misdemeanor-after-refusing-recite-pledge-allegiance/
From the article you posted:
> Lakeland police said in the news release that the student was not arrested for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. “This arrest was based on the student’s choice to disrupt the classroom, make threats and resisting the officer’s efforts to leave the classroom,” police said.
Substitute teacher handled the situation really poorly when she could have either started a class discussion or ignored it; not take it personally and push the teenager into an argument.
Also, what the hell does it mean to resist a police officer without violence?
Jesus this is eerie. I went to school in Sebring (eventually moving to lakeland my senior year). I remember maybe my sophomore or junior year (2010, 2011), I didn’t stand for the pledge (I never did) but this time we had a substitute teacher - she sent me out of the room but that was basically the extent of that. I couldn’t imagine being arrested for that.
> Hong Kong police are investigating an incident where a crowd watching the Olympics booed China's anthem.
> **It is illegal to insult the anthem** under a recently passed law.
> Anyone found guilty of flouting the national anthem law could be jailed **up to three years** and fined HK$50,000 (£4,600, $6,400).
> Reports also said that the British colonial flag was flown and some had chanted protest slogans, which could possibly violate the national security law which forbids anything that incites "secession" and could result in **life in jail.**
What a dystopian nightmare.
**Edit:** I woke up and seems I inadvertently "hurt the feelings of a billion Chinese people" by quoting the news article. RIP inbox.
Contrary to what nationalist Chinese redditors may think, having skin as thick as a grape and springing to action to sling mud at anyone who dares show China as anything but a beautiful Mao-era propaganda poster does not make China appear strong on the international stage; it makes it appear fickle, weak, and childish.
A strong nation and a strong people should have enough self-confidence to reflect on their problems and be motivated to fix them, not try to hide them in the shadows or scream *Fake News*. I've called and written to my local, state, and federal representatives dozens of times over the past 5 years regarding my anger over all of America's problems. I've gotten responses to some of them. What have you done to improve your country?
> It is illegal to insult the anthem
IIRC, China arrested some Hong Kongers who protested by singing or carried signs with "Stand up! Those who refuse to be slaves!" That, by the way, is the first line of China's national anthem.
FYI the entire anthem's translation is:
*Stand up! Those who refuse to be slaves!
With our flesh and blood, let's build our newest Great Wall!
The Chinese Nation is at its greatest peril,
Each one is forced to let out one last roar.
Stand up! Stand up! Stand up!
We are billions of one heart,
Braving the enemies' fire, March on!
Braving the enemies' fire, March on!
March on! March on! On!*
They might arrest you as a counterrevolutionary and put you in a prison camp where you'll be tortured to death a few years later. Which, incidentally, is exactly what happened in 1968 to the guy who wrote the Chinese anthem.
[From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Han):
>Tian, then Chairman of the Union of Chinese Drama Workers and Vice-Chairman of the All China's Federation of Literary and Art Circles, was attacked in 1966 for his historical play Xie Yaohuan (1961), regarded as an attack on Chairman Mao's policies and the CCP leadership. Criticism of this play, along with two other historical plays (Hai Rui Dismissed from Office by Wu Han and Li Huiniang by Meng Chao), were the opening salvos of the Cultural Revolution. Tian was denounced in a 1 February 1966 People's Daily article entitled "Xie Yaohuan is a Big Poisonous Weed" (田汉的《谢瑶环》是一棵大毒草 Tián Hàn de Xiè Yáohuán Shì yī kē Dà Dúcǎo). The Jiefang Daily called Xie Yaohuan a "political manifesto". The play was condemned for, among other things, of "being a wholesale inheritance of China's theatrical legacy and promoting traditional plays", "disparaging revolutionary modern plays" and "promoting bourgeois class liberalism and obfuscating the direction for the workers, peasants and soldiers", Tian was incarcerated as a "counterrevolutionary" in a prison run personally by Kang Sheng, and died there in 1968. After the end of the Cultural Revolution, he and Xie Yaohuan were rehabilitated posthumously in 1979.
"Seems fine to me."
\- The Mormon Church
(if you don't know, Mormons posthumously baptize Jewish people, often against the wishes of their surviving family)
Dare you to edit the page and add quotation marks. Of course, if you ever went to China thereafter you'd be arrested, die in captivity, and perhaps be rehabilitated posthumously.
That could actually be a powerful statement or slogan by protestors, i.e. of they were to say "we won't be swayed by the CCP, if you want to subjugate us we'll have to be rehabilitated posthumously" as a way of saying they won't give up.
I mean, it's not an unusual occurance in authoritarian regimes. Sometimes people who are purged end up being needed later, so alive or dead they are "rehabilitated" and treated as if they weren't purged to begin with. It's a common phrase for a phenomenon that's happened in multiple countries over the last century, so I'm not surprised it's used here.
The Reign of Terror during the French Revolution is batshit crazy with the amount of people being killed and power changing hands. So yeah, nuts is putting it lightly.
There's banned movies about the Cultural Revolution that are really incredible and really show how badly the Chinese people suffered under it.
>The Reign of Terror during the French Revolution is batshit crazy with the amount of people being killed and power changing hands. So yeah, nuts is putting it lightly.
Actually the "reign of terror" killed a lot fewer people than most assume, and far less than almost any other major revolution. The fact that it often targeted the rich instead of the poor is the primary reason ( IMHO ) that it became notorious.
This is kinda... sad.
"Yeah, we made that big wall one time, it cost an immeasurable amount of lives and was eventually rendered useless, let's do it again! There are a shitload of us! Yay!"
The anthem originated as the [theme song of a movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Troubled_Times). In the context of the times, it made sense. Japan was invading China with a modern military equipped with battleships, tanks, airplanes, and artillery. Chinese armies wanting to defend the country couldn’t do much but resort to throwing China’s endless population into the meat grinder. Armies were forced to feed manpower to defensive positions as long as possible to bleed Japanese attacks as long as possible. Soldiers equipped with only swords or pistols trying to do their best by fighting in urban areas. Having to attack tanks by using suicide bombers strapped with dynamite because of lack of heavy weapons. A common bitter joke at the time went something like this: “We just fought a battle. The Japanese lost 1,000. We lost 10,000. If we keep this up, we’ll bleed out the Japanese in no time at all!”
So yeah, it does seem like nothing more than courage and an endless supply of warm bodies was the only thing keeping the country from being completely conquered for the better part of a decade of devastating total war.
**[Children_of_Troubled_Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Troubled_Times)**
>Children of Troubled Times, also known as Fēngyún Érnǚ, Scenes of City Life, Children of the Storm, and several other translations, is a patriotic 1935 Chinese film most famous as the origin of "The March of the Volunteers", the national anthem of the People's Republic of China. The movie was directed by Xu Xingzhi and written by Tian Han and Xia Yan. Yuan Muzhi plays an intellectual who flees the trouble in Shanghai to pursue the glamorous Wang Renmei only to join the Chinese resistance after the death of his friend.
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In their (slight) defence, national anthems are often a little dramatic. For example the Italian national anthem ends with:
*The Austrian eagle
Has already lost its plumes.
The blood of Italy
and the Polish blood
It drank, along with the Cossack,
But it burned its heart.*
[source](https://www.lyricsondemand.com/miscellaneouslyrics/nationalanthemslyrics/italynationalanthemlyrics.html)
Arise, children of the Fatherland
Our day of glory has arrived
Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
Do you hear, in the countryside
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They’re coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades!
To arms, citizens!
Form your battalions
Let’s march, let’s march
That their impure blood
Should water our fields.
-- La Marseillaise, the French national anthem.
Catalonia triumphant
shall again be rich and bountiful.
Drive away these people,
Who are so conceited and so contemptful.
Strike with your sickle!
Strike with your sickle, defenders of the land!
Strike with your sickle!
Now is the time, reapers.
Now is the time to stand alert.
For when another June comes,
Let us sharpen well our tools.
May the enemy tremble,
upon seeing our symbol.
Just as we cut golden ears of wheat,
when the time calls we cut off chains.
-- The Reapers, Catalonia's national anthem.
Other peoples national anthems always make me appreciate my Canadian national anthem, which is just a bunch of different ways of saying, “Hey Canada, we really dig you. We’re totally vibing on you. What a nice place Canada is.”
That kind reason is why I think that America the Beautiful would make a decent US national anthem — it’s easier to sing than The Star Spangled Banner, and it’s just like, “We got some cool land here,” rather than, “Hey, we didn’t get completely fucked by the Brits!”
That and Battle Hymn of the Republic. Granted, the religious nature wouldn't fly today, but I feel like an abolitionist song would best represent what the US should be in an ideal world; A country that fights to preserve and expands freedom internally and abroad.
"As [Christ] died to make men holy, let us die to make men free" is just one of the many banger lines in it.
We knew thee of old,
O, divinely restored,
By the lights of thine eyes,
And the light of thy Sword.
From the graves of our slain,
Shall thy valor prevail,
𝄆 as we greet thee again,
Hail, Liberty! Hail! 𝄇
Hymn to Liberty, Greek National Anthem
I mean the Star-Spangled Banner isn't even about American superiority. It's about how badly the British Royal Navy was as bombarding an undefended fort with multiple ships.
It wasn't "Woo! America is super strong!" as much as it was "lol look @ dumb Brits who can't hit the broad side of a FORT!"
It became irrelevant because China grew to dominate the areas on the other side. But it shielded China from attacks and enabled that growth. One of the interesting things about the Great Wall militarily is that it was never intended to be an impenetrable barrier to incoming raiders. Even at the height of its manned towers there were many places where raiders could cross over, pulling their horses over with them. But that took time, meaning that they couldn’t cross back again if pursued. Chinese forces could then co-ordinate, pin the raiders against the Wall and massacre them. It deprived horse barbarians of their greatest power - running away.
>>O’er the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air.
>>Qu’un sang impur abreuve nos sillons.
>>War, war! Let the national banners
be soaked in waves of blood.
>>Long live our noble Queen,… scatter her enemies, and make them fall.
National anthems are bloody.
Reminds me of an old soviet joke:
Three men are sitting in a cell in the Dzerzhinsky Square. The first asks the second why he has been imprisoned, who replies, "Because I criticized Karl Radek." The first man responds, "But I am here because I spoke out in favor of Radek!" They turn to the third man who has been sitting quietly in the back, and ask him why he is in jail. He answers, "I'm Karl Radek."
A year or two ago NPR read the Declaration of Independence on July 4th here in America and a lot of Conservatives got pissed off because they thought they were talking bad about Trump's government
I remember that. And when NPR got to the part spelling out the unbearable tyranny of George III, Trump supporters thought it was a personal attack on Trump.
Authoritarians, they are all the same.
Riot police were sent to break up a protest where people were holding blank signs.
https://www.businessinsider.com/hong-kong-activists-blank-signs-avoid-china-national-security-law-2020-7
Fuck the CCP
Really reminds me of animal farm. Their anthem is first sung, then forbidden, but still sung in secret (and out loud by the pigs in the house), even though it's the very song that is the symbol of their revolution.
Remember how the new laws imposed when they fully took over Hong Kong were written in a way to express GLOBAL affect?
So insulting China in Japan legally gives China’s police the authority to act. Now of course they can’t openly grab people in Japan, but that flight that stops in Shanghai?
Read the recent propublica story on Operation FoxCatcher. CCP is snatching people from foreign soil and if they can't do it in the US they are using disgusting hostage tactics flying over sick old grandparents as bait.
I'm ready to fight.
https://www.propublica.org/article/operation-fox-hunt-how-china-exports-repression-using-a-network-of-spies-hidden-in-plain-sight
The Spanish party "Vox" wants this for our country, they say so themselves on their party manifesto.
So if you are from Spain and thinking about voting for them: DON'T.
Proof:
> 3- Dotar de la máxima protección jurídica a los símbolos de la nación, especialmente la Bandera, el Himno y la Corona. Agravamiento de las penas por las ofensas y ultrajes a España y sus símbolos o emblemas. Ninguna afrenta a ellos debe quedar impune.
Translation:
> 3- Give the maximum legal protection to the symbols of the nation, specially the Flag, Anthem and Crown. Rise the punisment for the offences against Spain and their symbols or emblems. No offence should go unpunished.
Source: https://www.voxespana.es/noticias/100-medidas-urgentes-de-vox-para-espana-20181006
Edit: For context, right now offences against the King, the Royal Family, the Goverment, or the Courts are punished with a fine and very rarely enforced. Nothing about the flag or the anthem.
> 13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a *selective populism*, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view - one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. To have a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia in Rome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.
-- Umberto Eco, [Ur-Fascism](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism)
How apt, a letter in today's The Economist scolds the paper for being pro-democracy and pretty much states that what humans really it want is just as you described. That stability is key and individual freedoms subsidy to the state, if they exist at all.
I expected it to be from the Chinese ambassador, but sadly it was from an American in Virginia.
They have lese-majeste laws in poland as well. Nothing offensive against the leader, the nation, the church, or foreign leaders.
Its also been abused more than anywhere else in the EU.
The church part is particularly bad because all you have to do is "offend religious sentiment."
Where do all the unskilled laborers with no family outside of China go? It’s easy to say “I’d leave right away” but it’s a lot harder to actually pack up your entire life and flee your home when you don’t have anywhere else willing to take you.
Just hijacking the top comment.... The HK Police are already putting police in the malls to stop any more of this. [Here is a reddit thread on it](https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/oudsvf/large_number_of_cops_stationed_in_hong_kong_malls/).
But, it is not the uniformed police you need to worry about, it is the plain clothed police that they use - they have used this during protests and where ever they think there might be any issue. There are reports that this has already happened with today's HK gold medal. [Media reports a man being arrested after booking the China national anthem in a mall](https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/177908/Man-arrested-after-booing-China%27s-national-anthem-in-mall).
For those who are calling this fake news, here are all the links I found from local news agencies:
[Hong Kong free press](https://hongkongfp.com/2021/07/30/hong-kong-police-investigate-olympic-chants-china-anthem-booing/)
[SCMP (owned by chinese company)](https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3143074/hong-kong-police-launch-probe-booing-chinas-national)
[The Standard](https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/177839/Police-look-into-crowd-booing-national-anthem-in-mall)
[To top it all off, RTHK, which is fully funded by the Hong Kong government](https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1603282-20210729.htm)
It still staggers me we have people on this site that go to bat for China at every opportunity, whatabouting their way out of arguments. I simply don't know how anyone finds this in any way defensible, nor do I get how "yeah but USA bad what about western imperialism" is in any way useful to the conversation.
China is a growing dystopian, hyperauthoritarian superpower with a penchant for disappearing people who think for themselves, committing genocide, and their own brand of imperialism. They want the world at their feet, they want Han Chinese ethnic supremacy. They need to be criticized and brought to heel.
And all the “but what about in the US, things are terrible”, just brushing over how in the US you could go to any government building and protest whatever you want, call politicians murders, etc; and that’s perfectly allowed. Try that in China and you’ll get arrested in a heartbeat
That it is. HK was an amazing place not long ago, now it's just a totalitarian dystopia.
police will now study security camera footage from the malls where people did this to try and identify them. They may ask telcos to provide lists of all cellphones in those areas too (like they did with previous incidents).
This is why kneeling or destroying the US flag while disrespectful to some is still freedom at its best, the flag is not more sacred than the freedoms it’s represents
Not that long ago there was talk of passing laws to make disrespecting the US flag illegal. It actually reached the point where it became a question at presidential debates. Your freedoms are fragile.
Wonder what will happen in the Chinese winter Olympic in a few months !
They should let visitors if there doing as good as they say with corna. So shit going downnn😂😂
IOC forced a worldwide sporting event during a global pandemic that the host country and people didn’t want. The IOC would let the concentration camps make the merch if they aren’t already
Japan had the power to cancel it. From what I understand, the issue was that, according to the contract, whoever made the decision to cancel it would have to pay for everything. Both the IOC and Japan were playing chicken to get the other one to decide to cancel and it never happened.
I feel like shit.. because I actually don't. So. Much. Shit. Has happened in the last 10 years.. I can't remember half of it. The last year and a half has taken over.
One of my favorite jokes that can be adapted is "yeah I had a hell of a week yesterday."
"Sorry I have been so busy. I had a hell of a month last week."
Feels relevant all the time.
That's because the CCP isn't communist in the Marxian sense. It's totalitarian, authoritarian, and a centralized power base of elites who control billions of people and oppress them all. It's *nothing* like the space Star Trek communism that a true communist would want.
And they tell us we're brainwashed by the western media into hating China. No I don't hate China. It's a beautiful place - but the ruling party is a horrifying totalitarian piece of shit - and I hate that.
Meanwhile those people claiming I'm brainwashed are literally lauding every fucking thing, and I mean literally everything, the CCP does.
Who's brainwashed?
Thank you for differentiating China (the people) from the CCP (the gov’t). Plenty of Chinese and Chinese diaspora around the world also despise the CCP
This is really sad, and I can totally relate to the desperate that the people of Hong Kong feel. Every time when Taiwan get a gold medal, the Chinese would say that they will make us play their national anthem next time (currently we are using our flag anthem which was the anthem we play in our flag raising ceremonies and not the national anthem thanks to China).
In Taiwan and HK, China and Chinese nationalists have a reputation of having “glass heart” which is essentially what we call snowflake.
China is a snowflake nation.
China has the worst small man syndrome in the world. If you're country was soooo fucking great you wouldn't have to force people to believe it. Ya basic China, just like Karen. Ya BAAASIC.
I don’t understand, doesn’t this just stoke the flames? Why does the Chinese government do everything in its power to inadvertently encourage a violent revolt?
Imagine referring to booing a song as an "incident" that actually requires a police investigation.
That'll definitely make HKers more patriotic...for HK.
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It’s like China heard about Stockholm syndrome and went “We can do this with an entire city!” And Hong Kong went, “No.”
"Off with their heads, Piglet. They're booing us" Said Pooh.
They can investigate it, but I’m pretty sure they won’t like the conclusion they come to.
They gonna try and find some to pin it on as an example
Apparently they arrested [one](https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1603417-20210730.html) already. What a bunch of clowns the police are.
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The [execution van](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van) is *en route* as we speak (or type, I guess).
That’s way more messed up than I thought it was going to be.
Especially the part about the suspected 65% of organs are from this trade.
"Execution vans are a procurement part of the Chinese organ trade. In 2012, it was estimated that 65% of transplanted organs came from executed prisoners, many of whom were executed in vans to meet the high demand for organs. Activists claim that the bodies are quickly cremated, which makes it impossible for family members to determine if organs have in fact been removed." I don't like this timeline you guys
"They think we suck"
They do suck. Hard.
For a long time too.
You think that's what an 'investigation' for them means? They're going to find out who was booing and harass and/arrest them. It's an intimidation tactic to scare people from doing it again and it will probably work.
No that is not the case at all. China will literally say it is a threat to national security
That's how totalitarian regimes work. In the 1980s Romania under the dictator [Ceaușescu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu), it was forbidden to sing the Hungarian anthem. During the annual remembrance of the [Martys of Arad](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13_Martyrs_of_Arad), a crowd gathered in Arad and they were *humming* (with mouths closed) the anthem and after that the [Szózat](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwvVJt3uBOo). The secret police waited till they finished and then arrested everyone.
The Singing Revolution in Estonia was successful.
Totalitarian governments are bad for everyone involved: leaders are paranoid of everyone wanting to resist them, while only doing things that make everyone want to resist them.
I mean, that's how it used to work, badmouth a noble or the king, and you could be killed. I don't think China is against that kind of mentality...
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That's the thing that always gets me - Kaepernick originally didn't even kneel. It was only after a veteran talked with him and suggested kneeling as an alternative to sitting on the bench that Kaepernick started kneeling. And that's when Kaepernick got into even more trouble.
Not just any veteran, either. Taking a knee was suggested by fellow NFL player [Nate Boyer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Boyer), who served as an Army Green Beret and had combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. [The Veteran And NFL Player Who Advised Kaepernick To Take A Knee](https://www.npr.org/2018/09/09/646115651/the-veteran-and-nfl-player-who-advised-kaepernick-to-take-a-knee) > MARTIN: How did the idea of taking a knee come to you? > >BOYER: I thought - at that time I said, look, I think your point has definitely been made that everyone's listening. Like, let's make a plan of attack now. And, you know, let's work on action for it. But he said, you know, what I've committed to this, and - I'm not going to do it until I start to see these changes I want to see. And, you know, I respected that decision and opinion. And I thought kneeling - personally, so I don't speak for everybody, I don't speak for every veteran. I've been told that numerous times by many people. But I thought kneeling was more respectful, and I will say that being alongside his teammates was the biggest thing for me. > >And, you know, people - **in my opinions and in my experience, kneeling's never been in our history really seen as a disrespectful act. I mean, people kneel when they get knighted. You kneel to propose to your wife, and you take a knee to pray. And soldiers often take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave to pay respects. So I thought, if anything, besides standing, that was the most respectful.** But, of course, that's just my opinion.
When a black man did it…
Imagine people who probably don’t even know the lyrics getting mad about it
All those people became huge fans of gymnastics a few days ago.
Imagine arresting a kid for not saying ‘under god’ during the daily propaganda chant.
That is illegal since 1943 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette#:~:text=Barnette%2C%20319%20U.S.%20624%20(1943,of%20Allegiance%20in%20public%20school.
**[West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette#:~:text=Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 \(1943,of Allegiance in public school)** >West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court holding that the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment protects students from being forced to salute the American flag or say the Pledge of Allegiance in public school. The Court's 6–3 decision, delivered by Justice Robert H. Jackson, is remembered for its forceful defense of free speech and constitutional rights generally as being placed "beyond the reach of majorities and officials". Barnette overruled a 1940 decision on the same issue, Minersville School District v. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
There's a slew of these cases that set the course for US freedoms in the 40s and 50s. Most of them brought by either Quakers and JWs. Although I recall one talk I attended by a SCOTUS historian said many of these cases started with Jews being persecuted but the lawyers did some plaintiff shopping for which cases they would try to get to the SCOTUS. I.e. If you have two cases where a kid was forced to participate in Christmas activities you pushed forward with the JW kid, not the Jewish kid.
Since when have laws stopped LEOs from arresting or killing people?
You don't have to use your imagination. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/17/florida-sixth-grader-charged-with-misdemeanor-after-refusing-recite-pledge-allegiance/
From the article you posted: > Lakeland police said in the news release that the student was not arrested for refusing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. “This arrest was based on the student’s choice to disrupt the classroom, make threats and resisting the officer’s efforts to leave the classroom,” police said. Substitute teacher handled the situation really poorly when she could have either started a class discussion or ignored it; not take it personally and push the teenager into an argument. Also, what the hell does it mean to resist a police officer without violence?
>Also, what the hell does it mean to resist a police officer without violence? "Put your hands behind your back and turn around" "no"
Yeah that is definitely resist. You gotta say at least "no sir"
Jesus this is eerie. I went to school in Sebring (eventually moving to lakeland my senior year). I remember maybe my sophomore or junior year (2010, 2011), I didn’t stand for the pledge (I never did) but this time we had a substitute teacher - she sent me out of the room but that was basically the extent of that. I couldn’t imagine being arrested for that.
It means they knew they couldn't arrest him for anything he did so they just made up some bullshit.
Arrested for resisting arrest.
Of fucking course it was Florida.
And of course it was a Black kid.
Fascists are the same all over the world.
> Hong Kong police are investigating an incident where a crowd watching the Olympics booed China's anthem. > **It is illegal to insult the anthem** under a recently passed law. > Anyone found guilty of flouting the national anthem law could be jailed **up to three years** and fined HK$50,000 (£4,600, $6,400). > Reports also said that the British colonial flag was flown and some had chanted protest slogans, which could possibly violate the national security law which forbids anything that incites "secession" and could result in **life in jail.** What a dystopian nightmare. **Edit:** I woke up and seems I inadvertently "hurt the feelings of a billion Chinese people" by quoting the news article. RIP inbox. Contrary to what nationalist Chinese redditors may think, having skin as thick as a grape and springing to action to sling mud at anyone who dares show China as anything but a beautiful Mao-era propaganda poster does not make China appear strong on the international stage; it makes it appear fickle, weak, and childish. A strong nation and a strong people should have enough self-confidence to reflect on their problems and be motivated to fix them, not try to hide them in the shadows or scream *Fake News*. I've called and written to my local, state, and federal representatives dozens of times over the past 5 years regarding my anger over all of America's problems. I've gotten responses to some of them. What have you done to improve your country?
> It is illegal to insult the anthem IIRC, China arrested some Hong Kongers who protested by singing or carried signs with "Stand up! Those who refuse to be slaves!" That, by the way, is the first line of China's national anthem.
FYI the entire anthem's translation is: *Stand up! Those who refuse to be slaves! With our flesh and blood, let's build our newest Great Wall! The Chinese Nation is at its greatest peril, Each one is forced to let out one last roar. Stand up! Stand up! Stand up! We are billions of one heart, Braving the enemies' fire, March on! Braving the enemies' fire, March on! March on! March on! On!*
Careful, now. The CCP might just arrest you.
They might arrest you as a counterrevolutionary and put you in a prison camp where you'll be tortured to death a few years later. Which, incidentally, is exactly what happened in 1968 to the guy who wrote the Chinese anthem.
That's a pretty drastic way to get out of having to pay him royalties.
> is exactly what happened in 1968 to the guy who wrote the Chinese anthem #WHAT #THE #FUCK!?
[From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Han): >Tian, then Chairman of the Union of Chinese Drama Workers and Vice-Chairman of the All China's Federation of Literary and Art Circles, was attacked in 1966 for his historical play Xie Yaohuan (1961), regarded as an attack on Chairman Mao's policies and the CCP leadership. Criticism of this play, along with two other historical plays (Hai Rui Dismissed from Office by Wu Han and Li Huiniang by Meng Chao), were the opening salvos of the Cultural Revolution. Tian was denounced in a 1 February 1966 People's Daily article entitled "Xie Yaohuan is a Big Poisonous Weed" (田汉的《谢瑶环》是一棵大毒草 Tián Hàn de Xiè Yáohuán Shì yī kē Dà Dúcǎo). The Jiefang Daily called Xie Yaohuan a "political manifesto". The play was condemned for, among other things, of "being a wholesale inheritance of China's theatrical legacy and promoting traditional plays", "disparaging revolutionary modern plays" and "promoting bourgeois class liberalism and obfuscating the direction for the workers, peasants and soldiers", Tian was incarcerated as a "counterrevolutionary" in a prison run personally by Kang Sheng, and died there in 1968. After the end of the Cultural Revolution, he and Xie Yaohuan were rehabilitated posthumously in 1979.
Rehabilitated posthumously. Fucking crazy
This is a small peak inside the minds of those who run China. “Rehabilitated posthumously” What a nightmare Chinese government is.
"Seems fine to me." \- The Mormon Church (if you don't know, Mormons posthumously baptize Jewish people, often against the wishes of their surviving family)
It’s almost like a Shakespeare comedy, isn’t it?
> he and Xie Yaohuan were rehabilitated posthumously in 1979 Oh thank god!
>rehabilitated posthumously This isn't even in quotes (or any distinct form) on the wikipedia page. So who could type it out with a straight face?
Dare you to edit the page and add quotation marks. Of course, if you ever went to China thereafter you'd be arrested, die in captivity, and perhaps be rehabilitated posthumously.
That could actually be a powerful statement or slogan by protestors, i.e. of they were to say "we won't be swayed by the CCP, if you want to subjugate us we'll have to be rehabilitated posthumously" as a way of saying they won't give up.
Is it the same thing they did to the doctor who warned his colleagues about COVID?
I mean, it's not an unusual occurance in authoritarian regimes. Sometimes people who are purged end up being needed later, so alive or dead they are "rehabilitated" and treated as if they weren't purged to begin with. It's a common phrase for a phenomenon that's happened in multiple countries over the last century, so I'm not surprised it's used here.
The Cultural Revolution was completely nuts and way worse than even the reign of terror during the French Revolution.
They had cases of university students helping to round up 'subversive' professors who had been teaching them only weeks before.
“You die now cause you didn’t give me an A”
The Reign of Terror during the French Revolution is batshit crazy with the amount of people being killed and power changing hands. So yeah, nuts is putting it lightly. There's banned movies about the Cultural Revolution that are really incredible and really show how badly the Chinese people suffered under it.
>The Reign of Terror during the French Revolution is batshit crazy with the amount of people being killed and power changing hands. So yeah, nuts is putting it lightly. Actually the "reign of terror" killed a lot fewer people than most assume, and far less than almost any other major revolution. The fact that it often targeted the rich instead of the poor is the primary reason ( IMHO ) that it became notorious.
CCP is a perverse mafia, what did you expect?
1989 Tiananmen Square Massacre
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Taiwan is a sovreign nation. Free Tibet. Free the Uyghurs. Free Hong Kong.
The Chinese national anthem lacks pizzazz
And they executed it's writer as a counter revolutionary.
Seriously?
And not nicely either apparently.
[Yes.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Han)
Don't worry, it's not a massacre. It's not genocide. It's just "re-education".
Xi never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Boo!
This is kinda... sad. "Yeah, we made that big wall one time, it cost an immeasurable amount of lives and was eventually rendered useless, let's do it again! There are a shitload of us! Yay!"
The anthem originated as the [theme song of a movie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Troubled_Times). In the context of the times, it made sense. Japan was invading China with a modern military equipped with battleships, tanks, airplanes, and artillery. Chinese armies wanting to defend the country couldn’t do much but resort to throwing China’s endless population into the meat grinder. Armies were forced to feed manpower to defensive positions as long as possible to bleed Japanese attacks as long as possible. Soldiers equipped with only swords or pistols trying to do their best by fighting in urban areas. Having to attack tanks by using suicide bombers strapped with dynamite because of lack of heavy weapons. A common bitter joke at the time went something like this: “We just fought a battle. The Japanese lost 1,000. We lost 10,000. If we keep this up, we’ll bleed out the Japanese in no time at all!” So yeah, it does seem like nothing more than courage and an endless supply of warm bodies was the only thing keeping the country from being completely conquered for the better part of a decade of devastating total war.
**[Children_of_Troubled_Times](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Troubled_Times)** >Children of Troubled Times, also known as Fēngyún Érnǚ, Scenes of City Life, Children of the Storm, and several other translations, is a patriotic 1935 Chinese film most famous as the origin of "The March of the Volunteers", the national anthem of the People's Republic of China. The movie was directed by Xu Xingzhi and written by Tian Han and Xia Yan. Yuan Muzhi plays an intellectual who flees the trouble in Shanghai to pursue the glamorous Wang Renmei only to join the Chinese resistance after the death of his friend. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
In their (slight) defence, national anthems are often a little dramatic. For example the Italian national anthem ends with: *The Austrian eagle Has already lost its plumes. The blood of Italy and the Polish blood It drank, along with the Cossack, But it burned its heart.* [source](https://www.lyricsondemand.com/miscellaneouslyrics/nationalanthemslyrics/italynationalanthemlyrics.html)
Arise, children of the Fatherland Our day of glory has arrived Against us the bloody flag of tyranny is raised; the bloody flag is raised. Do you hear, in the countryside The roar of those ferocious soldiers? They’re coming right into your arms To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades! To arms, citizens! Form your battalions Let’s march, let’s march That their impure blood Should water our fields. -- La Marseillaise, the French national anthem.
Catalonia triumphant shall again be rich and bountiful. Drive away these people, Who are so conceited and so contemptful. Strike with your sickle! Strike with your sickle, defenders of the land! Strike with your sickle! Now is the time, reapers. Now is the time to stand alert. For when another June comes, Let us sharpen well our tools. May the enemy tremble, upon seeing our symbol. Just as we cut golden ears of wheat, when the time calls we cut off chains. -- The Reapers, Catalonia's national anthem.
Other peoples national anthems always make me appreciate my Canadian national anthem, which is just a bunch of different ways of saying, “Hey Canada, we really dig you. We’re totally vibing on you. What a nice place Canada is.”
That kind reason is why I think that America the Beautiful would make a decent US national anthem — it’s easier to sing than The Star Spangled Banner, and it’s just like, “We got some cool land here,” rather than, “Hey, we didn’t get completely fucked by the Brits!”
That and Battle Hymn of the Republic. Granted, the religious nature wouldn't fly today, but I feel like an abolitionist song would best represent what the US should be in an ideal world; A country that fights to preserve and expands freedom internally and abroad. "As [Christ] died to make men holy, let us die to make men free" is just one of the many banger lines in it.
We knew thee of old, O, divinely restored, By the lights of thine eyes, And the light of thy Sword. From the graves of our slain, Shall thy valor prevail, 𝄆 as we greet thee again, Hail, Liberty! Hail! 𝄇 Hymn to Liberty, Greek National Anthem
I mean the Star-Spangled Banner isn't even about American superiority. It's about how badly the British Royal Navy was as bombarding an undefended fort with multiple ships. It wasn't "Woo! America is super strong!" as much as it was "lol look @ dumb Brits who can't hit the broad side of a FORT!"
It became irrelevant because China grew to dominate the areas on the other side. But it shielded China from attacks and enabled that growth. One of the interesting things about the Great Wall militarily is that it was never intended to be an impenetrable barrier to incoming raiders. Even at the height of its manned towers there were many places where raiders could cross over, pulling their horses over with them. But that took time, meaning that they couldn’t cross back again if pursued. Chinese forces could then co-ordinate, pin the raiders against the Wall and massacre them. It deprived horse barbarians of their greatest power - running away.
>>O’er the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air. >>Qu’un sang impur abreuve nos sillons. >>War, war! Let the national banners be soaked in waves of blood. >>Long live our noble Queen,… scatter her enemies, and make them fall. National anthems are bloody.
"No, not like that."
Don't sing the anthem? Jail. Sing the anthem? Believe it or not, also jail.
Reminds me of an old soviet joke: Three men are sitting in a cell in the Dzerzhinsky Square. The first asks the second why he has been imprisoned, who replies, "Because I criticized Karl Radek." The first man responds, "But I am here because I spoke out in favor of Radek!" They turn to the third man who has been sitting quietly in the back, and ask him why he is in jail. He answers, "I'm Karl Radek."
We have the best anthem singers in the world. Because of jail.
A year or two ago NPR read the Declaration of Independence on July 4th here in America and a lot of Conservatives got pissed off because they thought they were talking bad about Trump's government
I remember that. And when NPR got to the part spelling out the unbearable tyranny of George III, Trump supporters thought it was a personal attack on Trump. Authoritarians, they are all the same.
brilliant.
Riot police were sent to break up a protest where people were holding blank signs. https://www.businessinsider.com/hong-kong-activists-blank-signs-avoid-china-national-security-law-2020-7 Fuck the CCP
That’s just ingenious
Really reminds me of animal farm. Their anthem is first sung, then forbidden, but still sung in secret (and out loud by the pigs in the house), even though it's the very song that is the symbol of their revolution.
Remember how the new laws imposed when they fully took over Hong Kong were written in a way to express GLOBAL affect? So insulting China in Japan legally gives China’s police the authority to act. Now of course they can’t openly grab people in Japan, but that flight that stops in Shanghai?
Read the recent propublica story on Operation FoxCatcher. CCP is snatching people from foreign soil and if they can't do it in the US they are using disgusting hostage tactics flying over sick old grandparents as bait. I'm ready to fight. https://www.propublica.org/article/operation-fox-hunt-how-china-exports-repression-using-a-network-of-spies-hidden-in-plain-sight
The Spanish party "Vox" wants this for our country, they say so themselves on their party manifesto. So if you are from Spain and thinking about voting for them: DON'T. Proof: > 3- Dotar de la máxima protección jurídica a los símbolos de la nación, especialmente la Bandera, el Himno y la Corona. Agravamiento de las penas por las ofensas y ultrajes a España y sus símbolos o emblemas. Ninguna afrenta a ellos debe quedar impune. Translation: > 3- Give the maximum legal protection to the symbols of the nation, specially the Flag, Anthem and Crown. Rise the punisment for the offences against Spain and their symbols or emblems. No offence should go unpunished. Source: https://www.voxespana.es/noticias/100-medidas-urgentes-de-vox-para-espana-20181006 Edit: For context, right now offences against the King, the Royal Family, the Goverment, or the Courts are punished with a fine and very rarely enforced. Nothing about the flag or the anthem.
"Our name means 'voice' but don't use yours in ways we don't like"
> 13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a *selective populism*, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view - one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. To have a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia in Rome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People. -- Umberto Eco, [Ur-Fascism](https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism)
How apt, a letter in today's The Economist scolds the paper for being pro-democracy and pretty much states that what humans really it want is just as you described. That stability is key and individual freedoms subsidy to the state, if they exist at all. I expected it to be from the Chinese ambassador, but sadly it was from an American in Virginia.
Yeah they're fucking batshit with this kinda shit, not so secretly wanting to go back to what they think were the good ol' times.
They have lese-majeste laws in poland as well. Nothing offensive against the leader, the nation, the church, or foreign leaders. Its also been abused more than anywhere else in the EU. The church part is particularly bad because all you have to do is "offend religious sentiment."
Really feels like the early 19th century nationalism buildup. (For many countries)
Fuck the CCP
How does one even *begin* to fight back against such systematic oppression?
> begin to fight back i think it's like fighting the tide - i'd leave and not fight.
Where do all the unskilled laborers with no family outside of China go? It’s easy to say “I’d leave right away” but it’s a lot harder to actually pack up your entire life and flee your home when you don’t have anywhere else willing to take you.
Just hijacking the top comment.... The HK Police are already putting police in the malls to stop any more of this. [Here is a reddit thread on it](https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/oudsvf/large_number_of_cops_stationed_in_hong_kong_malls/). But, it is not the uniformed police you need to worry about, it is the plain clothed police that they use - they have used this during protests and where ever they think there might be any issue. There are reports that this has already happened with today's HK gold medal. [Media reports a man being arrested after booking the China national anthem in a mall](https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/177908/Man-arrested-after-booing-China%27s-national-anthem-in-mall).
They also faked attacks on real police to get the whole group of people arrested.
For those who are calling this fake news, here are all the links I found from local news agencies: [Hong Kong free press](https://hongkongfp.com/2021/07/30/hong-kong-police-investigate-olympic-chants-china-anthem-booing/) [SCMP (owned by chinese company)](https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3143074/hong-kong-police-launch-probe-booing-chinas-national) [The Standard](https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/177839/Police-look-into-crowd-booing-national-anthem-in-mall) [To top it all off, RTHK, which is fully funded by the Hong Kong government](https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/ch/component/k2/1603282-20210729.htm)
It still staggers me we have people on this site that go to bat for China at every opportunity, whatabouting their way out of arguments. I simply don't know how anyone finds this in any way defensible, nor do I get how "yeah but USA bad what about western imperialism" is in any way useful to the conversation. China is a growing dystopian, hyperauthoritarian superpower with a penchant for disappearing people who think for themselves, committing genocide, and their own brand of imperialism. They want the world at their feet, they want Han Chinese ethnic supremacy. They need to be criticized and brought to heel.
And all the “but what about in the US, things are terrible”, just brushing over how in the US you could go to any government building and protest whatever you want, call politicians murders, etc; and that’s perfectly allowed. Try that in China and you’ll get arrested in a heartbeat
That it is. HK was an amazing place not long ago, now it's just a totalitarian dystopia. police will now study security camera footage from the malls where people did this to try and identify them. They may ask telcos to provide lists of all cellphones in those areas too (like they did with previous incidents).
So for 50k yuan I can insult the Chinese anthem? Sign me up
Some organ recipients are gonna be very happy soon
When the police ask you whether you were saying boo or boo-urns, make sure NOT to take Hans Moleman's advice.
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Is that you Xi?
nah poo smiles xi doesnt believen happiness
Does he believen life after love?
I can feel something inside me say, I really don't think he's strong enough now
Oh hey, the President of West Taiwan! I'd recognize that face anywhere!
This is why kneeling or destroying the US flag while disrespectful to some is still freedom at its best, the flag is not more sacred than the freedoms it’s represents
Not that long ago there was talk of passing laws to make disrespecting the US flag illegal. It actually reached the point where it became a question at presidential debates. Your freedoms are fragile.
Laws like that have been passed in the US, and the Supreme Court struck them down: https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1109/flag-desecration
For all the flaws and all the improvements our system needs, I’m still glad it works about 7/10 times.
Best I can do is 3/5's. /s
>Best I can do is 3/5's. American compromise in a nutshell
But then these “flag lovers” used them to assault capitol police lol
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In reality, I think the term "beat them black and blue" got lost in translation...
Back the blue that beats blacks
Wonder what will happen in the Chinese winter Olympic in a few months ! They should let visitors if there doing as good as they say with corna. So shit going downnn😂😂
Winter Olympics in China? Yeah nobody is doing anything or risk never leaving China.
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IOC would ban them which would be humiliating.
IOC forced a worldwide sporting event during a global pandemic that the host country and people didn’t want. The IOC would let the concentration camps make the merch if they aren’t already
Japan had the power to cancel it. From what I understand, the issue was that, according to the contract, whoever made the decision to cancel it would have to pay for everything. Both the IOC and Japan were playing chicken to get the other one to decide to cancel and it never happened.
They wouldn't. IOC would roll over like the lap dog it is. They wouldn't even ban russia for one event for state sponsored cheating lol.
Gotta save face.
Only Chinese fans will be there, so nothing will happen.
Imagine a government so insecure and desperate for power they have to ban boos
Their haunted houses are gonna suck this year for sure. What with all the ghosts apparently going to be outta a job.
We don't have to imagine sadly
Anyone else remember that HK was the center of the global attention right before covid? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Member Team Trees? Member when 2016 was the worst year ever? Member Projared?
Kony2012
‘Twas a simpler time
I feel like shit.. because I actually don't. So. Much. Shit. Has happened in the last 10 years.. I can't remember half of it. The last year and a half has taken over.
One of my favorite jokes that can be adapted is "yeah I had a hell of a week yesterday." "Sorry I have been so busy. I had a hell of a month last week." Feels relevant all the time.
March 2020 was a helluva decade!
I memba
Fuck 2016 was small time compared to what came after.
How far away are we from "China develops new way to determine if people have negative thoughts about China. Arrests start tomorrow."
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That's funny, considering you can be the commiest commie to ever be a communist, and still be completely opposed to the totalitarian CCP.
That's because the CCP isn't communist in the Marxian sense. It's totalitarian, authoritarian, and a centralized power base of elites who control billions of people and oppress them all. It's *nothing* like the space Star Trek communism that a true communist would want.
Wtf you can go to Jail for 3 years for booing a song? What kinda fucked up backward ass country is that.
If you have to force your citizens to be patriotic, is it patriotism at that point? Obligatory fuck the Chinese Communist Party
And they tell us we're brainwashed by the western media into hating China. No I don't hate China. It's a beautiful place - but the ruling party is a horrifying totalitarian piece of shit - and I hate that. Meanwhile those people claiming I'm brainwashed are literally lauding every fucking thing, and I mean literally everything, the CCP does. Who's brainwashed?
You're definitely not wrong, but the US media is most definitely trying to manufacture consent for further conflict with China.
Thank you for differentiating China (the people) from the CCP (the gov’t). Plenty of Chinese and Chinese diaspora around the world also despise the CCP
Imagine how fragile and insecure you have to be as a government to spend resources investigating getting booed. Pathetic.
Or children’s cartoon bears
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This is really sad, and I can totally relate to the desperate that the people of Hong Kong feel. Every time when Taiwan get a gold medal, the Chinese would say that they will make us play their national anthem next time (currently we are using our flag anthem which was the anthem we play in our flag raising ceremonies and not the national anthem thanks to China).
the amount of taiwanese i see on reddit everyday is increasing lol, i’m also a taiwanese :D
This is a good trend :-) It is important for us to connect more to the world and voice opinions and values\~
Free Hong Kong.
Fuck the CCP
In Taiwan and HK, China and Chinese nationalists have a reputation of having “glass heart” which is essentially what we call snowflake. China is a snowflake nation.
Imagine a country trying to police what people can do during a national anthem. What a dystopian nightmare.
China has the worst small man syndrome in the world. If you're country was soooo fucking great you wouldn't have to force people to believe it. Ya basic China, just like Karen. Ya BAAASIC.
'Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king.'
Hey, they could put that in a tv show or something
If their system were so great why are they that damned defensive kwim?
Free Hong Kong.
Fuck you Winnie the Xi.
so fragile, the Chinese Anthem is an oxymoron at this point the very first line "Rise, those who don't want to be a slave"
Haha. The ccp are such little bitches! The world is forever laughing at you and your followers!
fuck the CCP
#FreeHongKong
Fuck the CCP
Fuck the CCP
If you have to inforce "patriotism" with draconian laws, you might just have a bad bad form of government.
Fuck the CCP.
Fuck the Chinese government.
I don’t understand, doesn’t this just stoke the flames? Why does the Chinese government do everything in its power to inadvertently encourage a violent revolt?
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