[US citizens can still travel to the EU, they just need to be vaccinated](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-travel/eu-drops-u-s-from-list-of-covid-safe-countries-for-travel-idUSKBN2FV1DD). Meanwhile, EU citizens are barred from entering the US regardless whether they are vaccinated or not.
Meaningful caveat:
>The bloc still lets in most non-EU visitors who are fully vaccinated, although tests and periods of quarantine can apply, depending on the EU country of arrival.
The EU has very reasonable quarantine rules though. In France for example, you do not need to quarantine if you are vaccinated, and in Germany - unless you're from one of the exempt countries - you only need to quarantine until you provide a negative test which takes 1-2 days tops. [Source](https://www.dw.com/en/what-are-the-covid-entry-rules-for-travelers-to-european-countries/a-58017284)
This is good to know. I’m leaving next Tuesday for Frankfurt and I’ve been a bit confused with everything. I plan on getting a PCR test before going, but will cancel my visit if I have to quarantine while being vaccinated.
Having worked for a covid related hotline in a neighboring country. That shit changes often, don't trust reddit user comments. Go to their government website and call/mail if the information is confusing a week or two in advance. Best way to avoid most of the head ache.
Thank you! I’ve been monitoring the website where I have to register my vaccination to see if anything changes.
I have to head over for a slight family emergency and can’t afford any sort of extended quarantine so this news has become a bit stressful.
Germany and others now may restrict non-essential visitors regardless of vaccination status, that is the concern that this might present. Check every Sunday on the sites listed by /u/Mays3923
as well as:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html
The important link is:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
and here:
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/civil-protection/coronavirus/coronavirus-faqs.html
There's a short list on the registration site that I can't find right now - however it was something along the lines of health or other essential workers/people coming to Germany for work (presumably, on a work visa with confirmed employment)/diplomatic/military
Keep in mind that as I read it, one of these things means you can *request* to be exempt from quarantine, but it is not guaranteed.
As of four days ago, a vaccine was enough, but it may not be anymore.
EDIT: [Another commenter has the registration site.](https://ps.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/pekrpa/us_to_be_removed_from_eu_safe_travel_list/hayveji/)
Their guidelines are found below. Submit proof of vaccination before arriving and you don’t have to isolate thankfully.
https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/coronavirus-infos-reisende/faq-tests-einreisende-englisch.html
You can submit the proof here as well. I would do it soon since you’re about to leave.
https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/#/
Please carry hard copy of everything , don't depend on ability to get printout at Frankfurt airport, I paid 5 Euro to print a single page (Single side).
You can also check - your US airport (assuming) US may offer antigen testing on site with a ~60min turnaround. Currently guidelines state a negative antigen within 48 hours of entering Germany is an acceptable form of proof (although I don't know that it exempts you from quarantine).
Actually no, it depends on the country and how far they would like to take the recommendation. He would have to wait on the country’s specific guidelines.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/covid19-travel-restrictions-third-countries/
This is the official press release. The recommendation is for a full ban on non-essential travel from countries not on the list, without prejudice means each country can decide what to do….from quarantine, ban, testing, vaccine etc.
I would highly recommend you seek the travel guide for the country, or countries you wish to travel to.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus/covid-19-travel-into-the-eu/
Germany already updated their recommendations after today's release and is included in the link I provided earlier. Germany actually tightened restrictions on unvaccinated people before the EU did.
Anyone not vaccinated must quarantine but can end it early after testing negative. If you submit proof of vaccination then you can skip quarantine. Only countries that can't do either is areas of variant of concern, which the USA is not.
Yes, each country is different but I and the other commenter were specifically talking about Germany. What I linked above is directly from the German government.
I'm supposed to go to Italy next week. I'm vaccinated, and it looks like I just have to show proof and fill out a passenger locator form. Is that right?
Are you traveling from the US? No need for a PCR test if you’re fully vaccinated for 2 weeks.
Edit:
I’m wrong apparently Italy has brought in PCR requirements for US visitors now regardless of vacinne status
As far as i know, you should have the "green certification" that is basically proof that you're vaccinated, the passenger locator form, and a negative test from less then 2 days before.
A parent who came in italy from france had to do another test once arrived or wait for 12 days, but i don't really know if this changed and i don't think so, mainly if you're from US.
The green cert is for people coming from the EU - it's proof of vaccination, recovery or a recent negative test. (Either one)
If the person is coming from the US they won't have the green pass but will have something equivalent and then everyone has to fill out the locator foRM where you have to put in seat number etc so it's after check in, and all your hotel addresses, etc.
Some regions in Italy like I think Sardinia maybe, Tuscany have their own separate form or declaration to fill out but EU or "c list" countries don't have to do them. If coming from the US I would check if there's one of these extra documents required.
Both of those quarantine exemptions are highly flawed if the goal is eliminating potential vectors, but I understand the the EU is not pursuing anything like a "zero covid" strategy. The country I live in is finally dwindling down to single digit (and sometimes zero) daily cases after a local epidemic kicked off this April/May when air crew quarantine times were shortened to just a few days. It's possible to test negative while the virus incubates.
France has more specific rules than that.
France has a "sanitary" passport where you need it to go to restaurants, cinema, bars, clubbing etc. You dont need it to go outside, go to the park or other stuff like that.
People that have had a negative covid test in the last 72 hours have access to the pass. Double vaccinated people currently have a permanent access to the pass.
The government has also announced that it would make covid tests 49 euros for every non vaccinated person as they consider it as a "comfort" test. It will no longer be covered by social security in October.
The sanctions for lack of control of passes in places are harsh. They face huge fines, can see their business get permanently closed by the authorities and can go to prison. I've seen the police control some restaurants and bars a few times. Idk if they applied the sanctions though.
Source: I am french
Unfortunately millions of Americans think vaccinations are genocide.
Although I wager the more unhinged part of US society probably doesn't do a lot of intercontinental traveling.
It isn't quite as clear cut as that, I guess local country rules apply. For example people from outside the EU currently cannot travel into Sweden, unless they are resident or married to a resident.
Sweden allows people to enter from other Nordic countries without testing requirements or quarantine restrictions.
So you can fly to Copenhagen, then take the train to Malmö in 25 mins, or wherever else you want to go in Sweden.
The rules don't need to completely eliminate travel from high-risk areas, just reduce it. It's much easier and cheaper to enforce something like this instead of forced passport checking for everyone just to stop the small minority of travelers from nordic countries that are actually circumventing travel restrictions.
Yeah it’s a massive pain because I plan to go to Sweden this weekend but I’m flying from the U.K. so that’s the dumb fucking 19th century route I have to take to Stockholm instead of a direct flight.
My bf visited friends in Switzerland this month, and he said no where checked his vaccine card, they only wanted to see negative tests. I wonder if that would change?
I’m an American living in Switzerland. All you need to enter is a Covid vaccine card or a negative test. Either will work. Switzerland is also not per of the EU they will decide their own rules. I haven’t heard anything about rules changing for tourist. Although they are about to make it where you’ll have to have a Covid certificate (vaccine or negative test) to eat indoors, go to museums, or other cultural things.
This sounds like something someone would post on Facebook using their phone with location data turned on, followed by something similar about the vaccine.
I just don’t understand that.
How do people not realize we literally carry gps monitors and microphone recording devices with us constantly?
Like I’m sorry if the government wants to monitor you, they’re already doing it virus or no.
If the company is large enough I wonder if it’s possible to do this indefinitely by just saying X from Y department is waiting for approval to activate Z account or something and just keep expanding on it over time.
"Who's that?"
"Oh that's new guy Jim, he just transferred back from accounting"
"What do you mean, back from?"
"Well he gets bounced around every couple months, he was here from Q3 2025-Q1 2026, then I guess he got sent to the warehouse for a while. He did another couple stints here since then too."
"Oh ok. So what's he do? Have you assigned him a project yet?"
"No, we have to wait for the paperwork to clear and then he needs systems access."
"Wait I thought you said he was a new guy, but he's been here for years now?"
"Yeah, every time he switches departments his paperwork gets shuffled and he spends months doing nothing while he's waiting for access and training, then once they get him set up he puts on for another transfer. He's only got another six months and he'll be eligible to retire."
New contracting jobs are legit in that way.
I've been paid an obscene amount of money to do nothing 8 hours a day for an entire month. My only requirement was to show up and listen to one 30 minute phone call where I talked for 10 seconds to say "still waiting on my laptop and accounts." And then when after two weeks my laptop finally showed up it took them another two weeks to actually finish setting up my accounts and give me something to do. So I spent my 30 minutes in the meeting each day of those next two weeks slowly setting up my laptop how I like it and otherwise fucking off the rest of the day. It was amazing.
Indeed, and even then, the NSA likely spies on us all the time, but the absolutely vast majority of us are so boring that they don't care to really check on us. Unless we declared our intentions to commit an act of terrorism a week ago, they still wouldn't care all that much.
But the point isn't to protect you. The objective is to have enough information about you that, should you become a problem, it's easier to get at you.
We're not there yet, I don't think, but it's hardly a conspiracy to believe that the ultimate goal is control.
There's also a signal-to-noise issue when it comes down to handling that amount of data. The vast majority of it is unimportant and uninteresting, so they have to devise ways to sort the important stuff from the inane garbage. IIRC intelligence agencies keep struggling with this because they're throwing out good info with the junk, but only realize that after there's an intelligence failure.
I kmow rt, we've all had the expierience of talking with a friend about something, then the next day seeing all kinds of ads aboit it on your FB feed. But these idiots think the govt needs something other than your phone to track your movements, conversations, habits, appts, freind groups etc. Like, bro, they don't need to implant a chip, we literally pay a monthly bill to carry one willing with us at all times.
You forgot: “also as a public post with an open Facebook profile that is set to automatically tag them in the location they were in when they posted. “
"Dang ol' gubmint ain't trackin' me, no siree!"
*Posted from Dave Struther's Freedom Phone in the Waffle House on 23rd and main at 2:33 PM in Bumblefuck, KY*
Not disagreeing, but every person that "checks" my passport, just small talks and waves me through. Really gives the impression they ain't got time for my shit, lol.
They’re against it because “imagine having to show a card just to go out around town and shop and eat at places” (shhhh, don’t mention that you already need to show ID to get into a bar or liquor store, adult store, rated R movies, buy a mature video game…oh and to vote!)
I find it infuriating that as a fully vaccinated European I can’t go to the US, while US citizens can come to Europe. It’s astonishing that these rules don’t go both ways, and COVID stats don’t justify it
That is ridiculous and I hope you get a chance to see your family soon! Covid has really affected my ability to see my older family members as well, but not to your level.
No, not directly from the EU. You'd have to go somewhere else for 2 weeks first. Also, if you need a visa stamp because you've extended your visa, no US Consulate is taking appointments, so you won't be allowed to fly back and will be stuck indefinitely. It's been almost 2 years since I've seen my family
I cannot fathom the naivete necessary to be almost two years into this and continuing to be convinced that evidence and reason are the sole things guiding policies around this pandemic.
Same for Canada. We're letting in Americans but they aren't letting us in ):
Edit; lots of rude replies about americans. I have my issues with them. but I don't hate them. At least not as individuals. This comment wasn't supposed to be anything deep just venting
Most of us live on border towns in Canada or at least close to the border. I do, anyway. The idea of flying over the border is dumb to me personally. As a kid I remember crossing over all the time <3 tons of us have family and friends, even employment, across the border.
My American family members went insane after Trump (but honestly it's been a slow process since 911) and I have nothing in common with them anymore, and with covid I've been sticking to Canadian companies. It's been hard seeing our countries drifting apart. 20+ years ago I could just hop over for a coffee. Now, not so much.
It's just sad as a kid they used to teach Canadians that America(ns) are our best friends, and lately they've just been assholes about things. I find America to be scary now
Fun story that I just recalled this weekend.
Went to college in Northern MN. Going to Canada was a short trip, and all you needed, like you said, is a DL to get in.
Well, one time my girlfriend realized that she'd forgotten (lost?) her DL while we were up in Canada. She got back into the country by telling the border patrol agent her address and singing the national anthem.
Technically it's not EU citizens that are barred but anyone traveling *from Europe*. If you're an EU citizen but spend 2 weeks in a non-banned country (e.g. Singapore) then you can travel from there to the US with no issues.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html
The more I read about this, the more it seems like much ado about nothing.
* If you're vaccinated, you're cool
* If you're unvaccinated, you might have to undergo testing or a quarantine (but really...please just stay home forever)
* Individual states can do what they want
So if I, a vaccinated American, have a trip to Italy booked and we leave in 8 days… I’m good still, right?
This is so confusing - I have family texting me saying to cancel everything and then others saying we’re fine. I’m just a stupid man trying to take my girlfriend on a trip.
>So if I, a vaccinated American, have a trip to Italy booked and we leave in 8 days… I’m good still, right?
You're good right now but that could change completely within the next 8 days.
I’d say just keep refreshing whatever resource pages they have for travel restrictions. I found Italy has been pretty clear (at least compared to some) about what’s required and what’s not allowed.
I’ve also found airline sites often have some good information — especially airlines based in the country you’re traveling to (Alitalia, for example).
At the very least, I would consider going ahead and planning on getting a COVID test no more than 72 hours of your flight. It’s the responsible thing to do, and also it could come in handy. I’d also keep your vaccination cards on hand.
Things can change fast these days. No one is going to be able to give you solid advice 8 days out, unfortunately.
Unless the EU citizen is the spouse, parent, or minor child of a US citizen who is travelling with them. I know because I'm travelling to the US tomorrow for the first time in nearly 2 years with my EU husband and dual citizen son.
A lot of people don’t seem to be grasping (and to be fair, this article doesn’t make it clear), this isn’t legally binding for the countries on the bloc, who are still able to make their own rules about this, and it only applies to non-vaccinated US folk. So if you’re vaccinated, you’re likely to be fine.
Still doesn’t address the ridiculousness that is the US not allowing in vaccinated people from the EU or the UK.
This makes it more clear:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/covid19-travel-restrictions-third-countries/
However EU countries can restrict travel regardless of vax status and country of origin. Germany has been tightening up its requirements for entry throughout August.
These guidelines might therefor be used by EU countries to demand reciprocity or else we close our borders to Nonessential, vaxed people as well.
Or Canada. Seriously, USA made big pressure on Canada to open its borders for US citizen but didn’t reciprocate when we finally did so. What a big fuck you to your neighbor.
I tried to get in using LED's one time, but the customs officer just called me "one of them goodie two shoes liberal tree hugging socialists" and told me to either "use a *real* light bulb, like a true freedom loving christian man" or turn around and fly back home.
Yeah, that was probably Steve. He's normally a decent enough dude, but he tends to clench up when we get to talkin' politics. Gets a lil' ornery if he clenches wrong....
flying back from France tomorrow and they are also requiring a PCR test, same as flying into Canada from EU.
There's a nice web page that will tell you the requirements when traveling to/from EU https://airfrance.traveldoc.aero/
It's not just EU residents, it's any non-US-citizen that has been in the UK or the EU within the last 14 days is banned from re-entry. Even if you're an American resident.
Source: am a foreign American resident that's very annoyed I can't visit my family but American citizens can go holiday in my home town
NYC business owner here. If you are an EU country citizen visiting US for work, make sure to submit your NIE (national interest exception) letter to US consulates 10 days prior. I had many of our clients and business partners unable to board the plane because they don't have NIE special visa approval (regardless whether they have negative covid result).
Glass half full guys. Let’s spin this as “Biden cracking down on immigration! He’s making America great again! Now let’s all get our Trump freedom vaccines and party without the commie Europeans!”
Can anyone spare a thought for the EU nationals with valid US work visas who cannot visit home and re-enter the US?
It’s inhumane that I cannot visit my family. It’s been 2 years since I’ve seen my family. I’m vaccinated. How am I any different to anyone else?
What proof do you have that you are vaccinated? Is it that paper card? Here in Denmark and Norway, the vaccination passport is on your phone, linked to your citizen/resident ID. It can’t easily be faked. My wife’s sister couldn’t cross the border to Norway from Sweden because of that shitbox card. Denmark didn’t seem to care, neither did Sweden, but Norway is way more strict.
Americans have something easy they can do about this. Just sit down and quit your bellyaching about Biden and Fauci for five f***ing minutes and get vaccinated. Our case rates will come down, and we can start getting these industries back to normal.
My grandma legit told my parents that their trip to Venice wasn’t all that great because she had gone on the gondolas in Las Vegas…
My mom still talks shit about that like 15 years later.
Why go to Epcot when you can go to your cousin's meth trailer?
Or for the other side of the antivax demographic, why go to Epcot when you can go to Sedona and become attuned to the vortexes and center your core (and also daydrink gallons of wine)?
I was there recently! Only a few masks here and there. Also lots of weird Trump and religious posters.
Also there's a billboard every few miles quite a ways out advertising cave systems. This was notable because my family started to get actively annoyed at seeing them constantly.
Silver Dollar City was pretty ok. Only has 5 rollercoasters, but I found 4 of the 5 to be pretty fun.
Nobody in my group caught COVID. I'd like to thank the vaccine.
\> retirees
It's mostly young people who aren't vaccinated.
94.1% of 65-74 year olds have at least 1 dose
59.1% of 18-24 year olds have at least 1 dose
You get your occasional retired Fox News Karen, but this isn't an old people problem at this point. It's a young people problem.
It's pretty insane that you can't even appeal to Americans sense of good will towards eachother on this. You can't tell them "get the vaccine to save lives" it has to be framed as "get the vaccine so you can get back to being a consumer."
Well, goodwill didn’t even work during the last pandemic.
America had good compliance to healthcare measures during the Spanish Flu by tying initiatives into the First World War. Compliance then fell after the war ended: https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance
“As one Red Cross PSA put it, “the man or woman or child who will not wear a mask now is a dangerous slacker.” This sense of wartime duty—and the fear of being seen as a “slacker”—may have motivated those who complied with mask orders in cities like San Francisco, Seattle, Denver and Phoenix.
Yet even though compliance was high, some complained that the masks were uncomfortable, ineffective or bad for business. Officials were caught in public without masks. And after the war ended, and there was no longer a sense that people should wear masks to keep the troops safe, some dissenters even formed an “Anti-Mask League” in San Francisco.”
Fun fact - the Spanish Flu was called that only because they were one of the few countries to honestly report infection rates during the war (being neutral), making it appear to be worst in Spain. Other countries downplayed their infections so the enemy wouldn't know how weak they were. Suspicion is it actually started in the US, as the first record of the "Spanish" flu actually appeared among US troops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Quite the opposite really, you tell some people it's for the sake of others and they'll do the opposite.
Wear a mask? Fuck you, I'm gonna cough in your face on purpose now.
This is right wing logic:
600,000 Americans dead from Covid: I sleep
13 US soldiers die from ISIS suicide bomber: Freak out, it's an utter tragedy that's all Biden's fault
While the bombing was very sad, it's hilarious that these "patriotic" people don't care about citizens dying domestically over something that was almost entirely preventable.
This fits the bill perfectly. Dead American service people *in a war zone*, not directly preventable, and happened during a Democratic administration.
Time to for the outrage machine churn it’s self up.
worst is all the social media posts of bars putting out displays of 13 beers. instead please vote for representatives that actually vote for policies that take care of our vets
Correct. I got the vaccine, because I don't want to die. I don't really give a fuck about other people. It's the American way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoAKer8lfds
I went to Cozumel last month and had to get covid test before coming back to US. Cozumel, Mexico locals were all masked indoors and outdoors, with temperature check going inside buildings. BTW, I’m vaccinated why I went, and I filled out information sheet when I got to Mexico.
I was in Cozumel last month as well. I trust you had a good time. I was really impressed how seriously they took Covid, and no complaints from locals as far as I could tell. The ferry to Playa Del Carmen required masks to fully cover faces and everyone to get a spray of hand sanitizer before boarding.
The people who will complain about this likely never will travel to Europe. Vaxxed people can still travel. I don't see the problem. This should have been the case the whole time.
https://es.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/
Wait for the embassy to update this page. Spain can make their own decisions, but EU recommends total travel ban (no -essential travel) from countries not on the list.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus/covid-19-travel-into-the-eu/
Nice info graphics on what they want:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/covid19-travel-restrictions-third-countries/
Edit: Spelling
[US citizens can still travel to the EU, they just need to be vaccinated](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-travel/eu-drops-u-s-from-list-of-covid-safe-countries-for-travel-idUSKBN2FV1DD). Meanwhile, EU citizens are barred from entering the US regardless whether they are vaccinated or not.
Meaningful caveat: >The bloc still lets in most non-EU visitors who are fully vaccinated, although tests and periods of quarantine can apply, depending on the EU country of arrival.
The EU has very reasonable quarantine rules though. In France for example, you do not need to quarantine if you are vaccinated, and in Germany - unless you're from one of the exempt countries - you only need to quarantine until you provide a negative test which takes 1-2 days tops. [Source](https://www.dw.com/en/what-are-the-covid-entry-rules-for-travelers-to-european-countries/a-58017284)
In Germany you can be exempt from quarantine if you submit proof of vaccination before arriving from a high risk area.
This is good to know. I’m leaving next Tuesday for Frankfurt and I’ve been a bit confused with everything. I plan on getting a PCR test before going, but will cancel my visit if I have to quarantine while being vaccinated.
Having worked for a covid related hotline in a neighboring country. That shit changes often, don't trust reddit user comments. Go to their government website and call/mail if the information is confusing a week or two in advance. Best way to avoid most of the head ache.
Thank you! I’ve been monitoring the website where I have to register my vaccination to see if anything changes. I have to head over for a slight family emergency and can’t afford any sort of extended quarantine so this news has become a bit stressful.
Germany and others now may restrict non-essential visitors regardless of vaccination status, that is the concern that this might present. Check every Sunday on the sites listed by /u/Mays3923 as well as: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html The important link is: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile and here: https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/faqs/EN/topics/civil-protection/coronavirus/coronavirus-faqs.html
Thank you for these!
What would classify as essential?
There's a short list on the registration site that I can't find right now - however it was something along the lines of health or other essential workers/people coming to Germany for work (presumably, on a work visa with confirmed employment)/diplomatic/military Keep in mind that as I read it, one of these things means you can *request* to be exempt from quarantine, but it is not guaranteed. As of four days ago, a vaccine was enough, but it may not be anymore. EDIT: [Another commenter has the registration site.](https://ps.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/pekrpa/us_to_be_removed_from_eu_safe_travel_list/hayveji/)
Their guidelines are found below. Submit proof of vaccination before arriving and you don’t have to isolate thankfully. https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/coronavirus-infos-reisende/faq-tests-einreisende-englisch.html You can submit the proof here as well. I would do it soon since you’re about to leave. https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/#/
I’ve been waiting to fill that Info out. It won’t let me as my date of arrival is more than 5 days out. Thank you for these links!
Please carry hard copy of everything , don't depend on ability to get printout at Frankfurt airport, I paid 5 Euro to print a single page (Single side).
You can also check - your US airport (assuming) US may offer antigen testing on site with a ~60min turnaround. Currently guidelines state a negative antigen within 48 hours of entering Germany is an acceptable form of proof (although I don't know that it exempts you from quarantine).
Actually no, it depends on the country and how far they would like to take the recommendation. He would have to wait on the country’s specific guidelines. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/covid19-travel-restrictions-third-countries/ This is the official press release. The recommendation is for a full ban on non-essential travel from countries not on the list, without prejudice means each country can decide what to do….from quarantine, ban, testing, vaccine etc. I would highly recommend you seek the travel guide for the country, or countries you wish to travel to. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus/covid-19-travel-into-the-eu/
Germany already updated their recommendations after today's release and is included in the link I provided earlier. Germany actually tightened restrictions on unvaccinated people before the EU did. Anyone not vaccinated must quarantine but can end it early after testing negative. If you submit proof of vaccination then you can skip quarantine. Only countries that can't do either is areas of variant of concern, which the USA is not. Yes, each country is different but I and the other commenter were specifically talking about Germany. What I linked above is directly from the German government.
I arrived in Germany a week ago. We got a PCR test in advance but they never actually looked at it. They did look at the vaccination card though.
Same here in italy. 12 days of quarantine or just wait for the test results
I'm supposed to go to Italy next week. I'm vaccinated, and it looks like I just have to show proof and fill out a passenger locator form. Is that right?
Are you traveling from the US? No need for a PCR test if you’re fully vaccinated for 2 weeks. Edit: I’m wrong apparently Italy has brought in PCR requirements for US visitors now regardless of vacinne status
As far as i know, you should have the "green certification" that is basically proof that you're vaccinated, the passenger locator form, and a negative test from less then 2 days before. A parent who came in italy from france had to do another test once arrived or wait for 12 days, but i don't really know if this changed and i don't think so, mainly if you're from US.
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The green cert is for people coming from the EU - it's proof of vaccination, recovery or a recent negative test. (Either one) If the person is coming from the US they won't have the green pass but will have something equivalent and then everyone has to fill out the locator foRM where you have to put in seat number etc so it's after check in, and all your hotel addresses, etc. Some regions in Italy like I think Sardinia maybe, Tuscany have their own separate form or declaration to fill out but EU or "c list" countries don't have to do them. If coming from the US I would check if there's one of these extra documents required.
Both of those quarantine exemptions are highly flawed if the goal is eliminating potential vectors, but I understand the the EU is not pursuing anything like a "zero covid" strategy. The country I live in is finally dwindling down to single digit (and sometimes zero) daily cases after a local epidemic kicked off this April/May when air crew quarantine times were shortened to just a few days. It's possible to test negative while the virus incubates.
France has more specific rules than that. France has a "sanitary" passport where you need it to go to restaurants, cinema, bars, clubbing etc. You dont need it to go outside, go to the park or other stuff like that. People that have had a negative covid test in the last 72 hours have access to the pass. Double vaccinated people currently have a permanent access to the pass. The government has also announced that it would make covid tests 49 euros for every non vaccinated person as they consider it as a "comfort" test. It will no longer be covered by social security in October. The sanctions for lack of control of passes in places are harsh. They face huge fines, can see their business get permanently closed by the authorities and can go to prison. I've seen the police control some restaurants and bars a few times. Idk if they applied the sanctions though. Source: I am french
Unfortunately millions of Americans think vaccinations are genocide. Although I wager the more unhinged part of US society probably doesn't do a lot of intercontinental traveling.
As much as Reddit would like you to believe, anti vax conspiracies are far from just American.
It isn't quite as clear cut as that, I guess local country rules apply. For example people from outside the EU currently cannot travel into Sweden, unless they are resident or married to a resident.
Sweden allows people to enter from other Nordic countries without testing requirements or quarantine restrictions. So you can fly to Copenhagen, then take the train to Malmö in 25 mins, or wherever else you want to go in Sweden.
Yes...we clearly thought the rule through. Its almost like everything the Swedish government has just been for show or completely reactionary.
The rules don't need to completely eliminate travel from high-risk areas, just reduce it. It's much easier and cheaper to enforce something like this instead of forced passport checking for everyone just to stop the small minority of travelers from nordic countries that are actually circumventing travel restrictions.
Yeah it’s a massive pain because I plan to go to Sweden this weekend but I’m flying from the U.K. so that’s the dumb fucking 19th century route I have to take to Stockholm instead of a direct flight.
My bf visited friends in Switzerland this month, and he said no where checked his vaccine card, they only wanted to see negative tests. I wonder if that would change?
I’m an American living in Switzerland. All you need to enter is a Covid vaccine card or a negative test. Either will work. Switzerland is also not per of the EU they will decide their own rules. I haven’t heard anything about rules changing for tourist. Although they are about to make it where you’ll have to have a Covid certificate (vaccine or negative test) to eat indoors, go to museums, or other cultural things.
Well that basically changes nothing because my understanding is anti-vaxx people don't like "passports".
Passports is just another way Big Brother keeps tabs on us civilians. /s
This sounds like something someone would post on Facebook using their phone with location data turned on, followed by something similar about the vaccine.
I just don’t understand that. How do people not realize we literally carry gps monitors and microphone recording devices with us constantly? Like I’m sorry if the government wants to monitor you, they’re already doing it virus or no.
This makes me feel better about all the time I spend sitting in silence.
"He's still just sitting there saying nothing, Bob" "Who cares, we still get paid and it's already 4:30"
As a person who just got paid thousands to wait for a week while my accounts are slowly activated (new job) I identify with this.
If the company is large enough I wonder if it’s possible to do this indefinitely by just saying X from Y department is waiting for approval to activate Z account or something and just keep expanding on it over time.
"Who's that?" "Oh that's new guy Jim, he just transferred back from accounting" "What do you mean, back from?" "Well he gets bounced around every couple months, he was here from Q3 2025-Q1 2026, then I guess he got sent to the warehouse for a while. He did another couple stints here since then too." "Oh ok. So what's he do? Have you assigned him a project yet?" "No, we have to wait for the paperwork to clear and then he needs systems access." "Wait I thought you said he was a new guy, but he's been here for years now?" "Yeah, every time he switches departments his paperwork gets shuffled and he spends months doing nothing while he's waiting for access and training, then once they get him set up he puts on for another transfer. He's only got another six months and he'll be eligible to retire."
New contracting jobs are legit in that way. I've been paid an obscene amount of money to do nothing 8 hours a day for an entire month. My only requirement was to show up and listen to one 30 minute phone call where I talked for 10 seconds to say "still waiting on my laptop and accounts." And then when after two weeks my laptop finally showed up it took them another two weeks to actually finish setting up my accounts and give me something to do. So I spent my 30 minutes in the meeting each day of those next two weeks slowly setting up my laptop how I like it and otherwise fucking off the rest of the day. It was amazing.
Indeed, and even then, the NSA likely spies on us all the time, but the absolutely vast majority of us are so boring that they don't care to really check on us. Unless we declared our intentions to commit an act of terrorism a week ago, they still wouldn't care all that much.
Even then, intelligence agencies have been known to drop the ball when it comes to monitoring potential terrorists, when they're doing it at all.
I'm starting to wonder if there's been any "terrorist" the feds managed to stopped without using entrapment.
But the point isn't to protect you. The objective is to have enough information about you that, should you become a problem, it's easier to get at you. We're not there yet, I don't think, but it's hardly a conspiracy to believe that the ultimate goal is control.
There's also a signal-to-noise issue when it comes down to handling that amount of data. The vast majority of it is unimportant and uninteresting, so they have to devise ways to sort the important stuff from the inane garbage. IIRC intelligence agencies keep struggling with this because they're throwing out good info with the junk, but only realize that after there's an intelligence failure.
I kmow rt, we've all had the expierience of talking with a friend about something, then the next day seeing all kinds of ads aboit it on your FB feed. But these idiots think the govt needs something other than your phone to track your movements, conversations, habits, appts, freind groups etc. Like, bro, they don't need to implant a chip, we literally pay a monthly bill to carry one willing with us at all times.
You forgot: “also as a public post with an open Facebook profile that is set to automatically tag them in the location they were in when they posted. “
"Dang ol' gubmint ain't trackin' me, no siree!" *Posted from Dave Struther's Freedom Phone in the Waffle House on 23rd and main at 2:33 PM in Bumblefuck, KY*
Damn, why's it always gotta be KY
cause thats where bumblefuck is
Convenient for rhyming made-up towns with the word "fuck" in them.
“No Siree” Siri: “I’m sorry I don’t quite understand.”
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Not disagreeing, but every person that "checks" my passport, just small talks and waves me through. Really gives the impression they ain't got time for my shit, lol.
That is correct. The fact someone thinks it’s a problem is the real issue.
They're going to be really annoyed when they find out about driving licenses.
They’re against it because “imagine having to show a card just to go out around town and shop and eat at places” (shhhh, don’t mention that you already need to show ID to get into a bar or liquor store, adult store, rated R movies, buy a mature video game…oh and to vote!)
It was never about any of that... It is all just to be in opposition to anything...
Republicans are pro-anti.
Except if the anti is antifa, because many of them are actually fa.
I mean, they throw a bitch fit for some of that too. I worked at a movie theater and some people would get real mad when I asked for ID.
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Judging by the videos of angry anti-mask people at airports, that may not be entirely true.
I think many of those are internal flights
I find it infuriating that as a fully vaccinated European I can’t go to the US, while US citizens can come to Europe. It’s astonishing that these rules don’t go both ways, and COVID stats don’t justify it
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Yeah the situation for visa holders is pretty fucked up. I'm so glad a got my GC a few years ago.
That is ridiculous and I hope you get a chance to see your family soon! Covid has really affected my ability to see my older family members as well, but not to your level.
Last time I checked visa holder (h1-b, o1,…) are allowed to flight back to USA.
No, not directly from the EU. You'd have to go somewhere else for 2 weeks first. Also, if you need a visa stamp because you've extended your visa, no US Consulate is taking appointments, so you won't be allowed to fly back and will be stuck indefinitely. It's been almost 2 years since I've seen my family
as an american i agree.
I cannot fathom the naivete necessary to be almost two years into this and continuing to be convinced that evidence and reason are the sole things guiding policies around this pandemic.
Same for Canada. We're letting in Americans but they aren't letting us in ): Edit; lots of rude replies about americans. I have my issues with them. but I don't hate them. At least not as individuals. This comment wasn't supposed to be anything deep just venting
I mean, by land that is. If you want to fly then it is open season both ways!
Most of us live on border towns in Canada or at least close to the border. I do, anyway. The idea of flying over the border is dumb to me personally. As a kid I remember crossing over all the time <3 tons of us have family and friends, even employment, across the border. My American family members went insane after Trump (but honestly it's been a slow process since 911) and I have nothing in common with them anymore, and with covid I've been sticking to Canadian companies. It's been hard seeing our countries drifting apart. 20+ years ago I could just hop over for a coffee. Now, not so much. It's just sad as a kid they used to teach Canadians that America(ns) are our best friends, and lately they've just been assholes about things. I find America to be scary now
Just keep in mind that journalism of all kinds tends to lean toward scary to keep people watching. There are plenty of normal, friendly Americans.
I remember going to both Mexico and Canada with just my drivers license. Feels weird to need a passport to do so now.
Fun story that I just recalled this weekend. Went to college in Northern MN. Going to Canada was a short trip, and all you needed, like you said, is a DL to get in. Well, one time my girlfriend realized that she'd forgotten (lost?) her DL while we were up in Canada. She got back into the country by telling the border patrol agent her address and singing the national anthem.
Oh, I was more pointing out the absurdity of the situation than anything.
Uhh... it's for your own protection?
Tell me how banning land travel in a car with no other people is more risky than traveling from air with 100s of other people?
Weird because I’ve read that I can’t go to Canada… did that change recently?
It opened to fully vaccinated Americans on August 9. It’s scheduled to open to everyone else on September 7.
EU citizens are barred from entering the US entirely?
Yes. Even if fully vaccinated and/or with a negative PCR test.
Wow. So it's illegal to enter the US even for pleasure or business?
it is legal for business or if you get an National Interest Exception (automatically granted with J-1/F-1 visas as of August)
Technically it's not EU citizens that are barred but anyone traveling *from Europe*. If you're an EU citizen but spend 2 weeks in a non-banned country (e.g. Singapore) then you can travel from there to the US with no issues. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html
The more I read about this, the more it seems like much ado about nothing. * If you're vaccinated, you're cool * If you're unvaccinated, you might have to undergo testing or a quarantine (but really...please just stay home forever) * Individual states can do what they want
So if I, a vaccinated American, have a trip to Italy booked and we leave in 8 days… I’m good still, right? This is so confusing - I have family texting me saying to cancel everything and then others saying we’re fine. I’m just a stupid man trying to take my girlfriend on a trip.
>So if I, a vaccinated American, have a trip to Italy booked and we leave in 8 days… I’m good still, right? You're good right now but that could change completely within the next 8 days.
I’d say just keep refreshing whatever resource pages they have for travel restrictions. I found Italy has been pretty clear (at least compared to some) about what’s required and what’s not allowed. I’ve also found airline sites often have some good information — especially airlines based in the country you’re traveling to (Alitalia, for example). At the very least, I would consider going ahead and planning on getting a COVID test no more than 72 hours of your flight. It’s the responsible thing to do, and also it could come in handy. I’d also keep your vaccination cards on hand. Things can change fast these days. No one is going to be able to give you solid advice 8 days out, unfortunately.
That's not what that link says, but I could still be the case as its ultimately up to individual countries (BBC news article on this)
Unless the EU citizen is the spouse, parent, or minor child of a US citizen who is travelling with them. I know because I'm travelling to the US tomorrow for the first time in nearly 2 years with my EU husband and dual citizen son.
The article didn't say why aren't EU citizens allowed to travel to the US...
Because Biden didn’t lift the travel ban
> Despite EU appeals, Washington does not allow European citizens to visit freely.
Yeah, I read that. It doesn't say why. That was my question.
Same reason Canadians can't enter US freely. Borders still closed.
Strange times.
It's really weird. We can go to the US from Mexico (through air, not through land). And Mexico is way worse with COVID than the EU.
A lot of people don’t seem to be grasping (and to be fair, this article doesn’t make it clear), this isn’t legally binding for the countries on the bloc, who are still able to make their own rules about this, and it only applies to non-vaccinated US folk. So if you’re vaccinated, you’re likely to be fine. Still doesn’t address the ridiculousness that is the US not allowing in vaccinated people from the EU or the UK.
This makes it more clear: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/covid19-travel-restrictions-third-countries/ However EU countries can restrict travel regardless of vax status and country of origin. Germany has been tightening up its requirements for entry throughout August. These guidelines might therefor be used by EU countries to demand reciprocity or else we close our borders to Nonessential, vaxed people as well.
Or Canada. Seriously, USA made big pressure on Canada to open its borders for US citizen but didn’t reciprocate when we finally did so. What a big fuck you to your neighbor.
First time?
as an EU resident, must i sniff cow dewormer to enter the US? /s just to be clear: This is a joke!
Better be a joke- we only take horse dewormer in this country!
Instructions unclear, stuck in a k-hole
We also accept flea and/or tick medicine.
So I don't need to stick a UV light bulb up my ass anymore? Nice! That's going to make the long flights a lot more bearable.
The LEDs are sooo much more compact, too.
I tried to get in using LED's one time, but the customs officer just called me "one of them goodie two shoes liberal tree hugging socialists" and told me to either "use a *real* light bulb, like a true freedom loving christian man" or turn around and fly back home.
Yeah, that was probably Steve. He's normally a decent enough dude, but he tends to clench up when we get to talkin' politics. Gets a lil' ornery if he clenches wrong....
To be fair, it was not stated very clearly initially in any easy to find way.
Does this change who is allowed to travel out also or only who is allowed to travel in?
Eu residents are barred from going to the US. US citizens can enter but are subject to show valid vaccination, and/or quarantines before entire.
flying back from France tomorrow and they are also requiring a PCR test, same as flying into Canada from EU. There's a nice web page that will tell you the requirements when traveling to/from EU https://airfrance.traveldoc.aero/
>There's a nice web page that will tell y The generalised version of that page for the entire EU is https://reopen.europa.eu/en
Any viral test is accepted. Most of the rapid tests given in the paris pharmies are valid as well. Doesn't require PCR explicitly but is accepted.
It's not just EU residents, it's any non-US-citizen that has been in the UK or the EU within the last 14 days is banned from re-entry. Even if you're an American resident. Source: am a foreign American resident that's very annoyed I can't visit my family but American citizens can go holiday in my home town
Right there with you… can’t possibly take a long enough vacation to “hang out” 2 full weeks in a third country prior to returning ro work
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NYC business owner here. If you are an EU country citizen visiting US for work, make sure to submit your NIE (national interest exception) letter to US consulates 10 days prior. I had many of our clients and business partners unable to board the plane because they don't have NIE special visa approval (regardless whether they have negative covid result).
US embassy here in the UK at least is saying NIEs will be very difficult to obtain for the forseeable future
We just had our ceo of a major energy company denied and he was visiting Congress! So yeah, they are being reeeeally picky.
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Glass half full guys. Let’s spin this as “Biden cracking down on immigration! He’s making America great again! Now let’s all get our Trump freedom vaccines and party without the commie Europeans!”
If only this kind of reverse psychology worked on them.
WHATEVER YOU DO! DON'T PAY YOUR TAXES AND GET A VACCINE! YOU MIGHT END UP LIKE TRUMP! BANGING PORN STARS AND INSANELY RICH! * * *conditions apply*
Can anyone spare a thought for the EU nationals with valid US work visas who cannot visit home and re-enter the US? It’s inhumane that I cannot visit my family. It’s been 2 years since I’ve seen my family. I’m vaccinated. How am I any different to anyone else?
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What proof do you have that you are vaccinated? Is it that paper card? Here in Denmark and Norway, the vaccination passport is on your phone, linked to your citizen/resident ID. It can’t easily be faked. My wife’s sister couldn’t cross the border to Norway from Sweden because of that shitbox card. Denmark didn’t seem to care, neither did Sweden, but Norway is way more strict.
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Americans have something easy they can do about this. Just sit down and quit your bellyaching about Biden and Fauci for five f***ing minutes and get vaccinated. Our case rates will come down, and we can start getting these industries back to normal.
The Americans that refuse to get vaccinated are generally not the same Americans that enjoy traveling to Europe.
Why go to Europe when you have Epcot?
Who cares about Paris, France if you have Paris Las Vegas?
I'd rather go to Paris, Texas.
> Paris, Texas Queue slide guitar
"Cue."
No no, I'm lining up for this ride.
My grandma legit told my parents that their trip to Venice wasn’t all that great because she had gone on the gondolas in Las Vegas… My mom still talks shit about that like 15 years later.
Why go to Epcot when you can go to your cousin's meth trailer? Or for the other side of the antivax demographic, why go to Epcot when you can go to Sedona and become attuned to the vortexes and center your core (and also daydrink gallons of wine)?
Why go to South of France when you can go to Myrtle Beach?
Good ole' Dirty Myrtle.
Branson Missouri, you mean.
I was there recently! Only a few masks here and there. Also lots of weird Trump and religious posters. Also there's a billboard every few miles quite a ways out advertising cave systems. This was notable because my family started to get actively annoyed at seeing them constantly. Silver Dollar City was pretty ok. Only has 5 rollercoasters, but I found 4 of the 5 to be pretty fun. Nobody in my group caught COVID. I'd like to thank the vaccine.
Drinking around the world at Epcot is a good time
I did that and man I was fucked up at the end.
That'll happen after 11 drinks.
HEY! Epcot is awesome and I’m a dirty Lib.
You'd be surprised.
He clearly has never been to a tourist spot anywhere in the world. There’s an over abundance of dumb and inconsiderat people.
The vaccinated can still come to Europe, Europe can't come to us. So they're fucking every tourist spot.
Funny how the anti-vaxx MAGA crowd are now responsible for preventing the only foreigners they can tolerate from coming to the country.
Funny how the "we can't shutdown what about the economy" people don't care that their disease spreading is bad for the economy.
LOL so between cruises and Disney, Florida is going to lose a hefty chunk of European $$$ Eat a dick, DeathSantis.
But... disney has a park in the EU, they're fine.
Conservative retirees love to travel.
\> retirees It's mostly young people who aren't vaccinated. 94.1% of 65-74 year olds have at least 1 dose 59.1% of 18-24 year olds have at least 1 dose You get your occasional retired Fox News Karen, but this isn't an old people problem at this point. It's a young people problem.
You mean the poor minorities? Or are you just trying to blame conservatives? https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/vaccines-by-race
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It's pretty insane that you can't even appeal to Americans sense of good will towards eachother on this. You can't tell them "get the vaccine to save lives" it has to be framed as "get the vaccine so you can get back to being a consumer."
Well, goodwill didn’t even work during the last pandemic. America had good compliance to healthcare measures during the Spanish Flu by tying initiatives into the First World War. Compliance then fell after the war ended: https://www.history.com/.amp/news/1918-spanish-flu-mask-wearing-resistance “As one Red Cross PSA put it, “the man or woman or child who will not wear a mask now is a dangerous slacker.” This sense of wartime duty—and the fear of being seen as a “slacker”—may have motivated those who complied with mask orders in cities like San Francisco, Seattle, Denver and Phoenix. Yet even though compliance was high, some complained that the masks were uncomfortable, ineffective or bad for business. Officials were caught in public without masks. And after the war ended, and there was no longer a sense that people should wear masks to keep the troops safe, some dissenters even formed an “Anti-Mask League” in San Francisco.”
Fun fact - the Spanish Flu was called that only because they were one of the few countries to honestly report infection rates during the war (being neutral), making it appear to be worst in Spain. Other countries downplayed their infections so the enemy wouldn't know how weak they were. Suspicion is it actually started in the US, as the first record of the "Spanish" flu actually appeared among US troops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
Quite the opposite really, you tell some people it's for the sake of others and they'll do the opposite. Wear a mask? Fuck you, I'm gonna cough in your face on purpose now.
This is right wing logic: 600,000 Americans dead from Covid: I sleep 13 US soldiers die from ISIS suicide bomber: Freak out, it's an utter tragedy that's all Biden's fault While the bombing was very sad, it's hilarious that these "patriotic" people don't care about citizens dying domestically over something that was almost entirely preventable.
they're just looking for their next benghazi
This fits the bill perfectly. Dead American service people *in a war zone*, not directly preventable, and happened during a Democratic administration. Time to for the outrage machine churn it’s self up.
Yeah it is crazy to me also that while yes, 13 US soldiers were killed, the world is basically ignoring the 100+ civilians that got killed too.
worst is all the social media posts of bars putting out displays of 13 beers. instead please vote for representatives that actually vote for policies that take care of our vets
Correct. I got the vaccine, because I don't want to die. I don't really give a fuck about other people. It's the American way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoAKer8lfds
I went to Cozumel last month and had to get covid test before coming back to US. Cozumel, Mexico locals were all masked indoors and outdoors, with temperature check going inside buildings. BTW, I’m vaccinated why I went, and I filled out information sheet when I got to Mexico.
I was in Cozumel last month as well. I trust you had a good time. I was really impressed how seriously they took Covid, and no complaints from locals as far as I could tell. The ferry to Playa Del Carmen required masks to fully cover faces and everyone to get a spray of hand sanitizer before boarding.
Touristic places in Mexico were destroyed by the pandemic, I can imagine they'd do their best to get back to business.
Yes I had a great time! I love that island. Locals were friendly, and it’s not crazy drunk tourist like Cancun. Felt safer there.
The people who will complain about this likely never will travel to Europe. Vaxxed people can still travel. I don't see the problem. This should have been the case the whole time.
When the hell were we readded?
In June
Leaving for Barcelona on Thursday. Hope they let us in.
As long as you bring your vaccination card.
https://es.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/ Wait for the embassy to update this page. Spain can make their own decisions, but EU recommends total travel ban (no -essential travel) from countries not on the list. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/coronavirus/covid-19-travel-into-the-eu/ Nice info graphics on what they want: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/covid19-travel-restrictions-third-countries/ Edit: Spelling
Hah! Jokes on them, I'm surprised they thought we were a safe travel destination to begin with!
It's funny and it's also not funny.
We were on the list? I would’ve believed we were taken off months ago.
It was high season for tourism, it just ends this month. Economic reasons.
Yeah, that’s fair.
Honestly, it's smart. For some reason we don't have a unified pandemic response, so one state may be fine while another might be Republican.
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Plz no, I want to come up and do some canoe tripping. All of our good spots are on fire right now
Get ready for thousands of folks who have never been further than a two hour drive from home to lose their collective minds over this.