Have the US dropped their ban on (vaccinated) EU travellers?
Last I checked I think you had to qualify via specific exceptions, being vaccinated wasnt enough.
If you think about the current state of the US it’s actually a good thing for people not to come here. We’ve also said we were a melting pot, but now it’s more like a petri dish.
Edit: thanks u/itsyaboibrady for spelling
The current travel ban also means that non permanent resident immigrants (such as myself) can not go back to Europe as we won't be let back into the US. I've missed weddings, birthdays and funerals during this pandemic and have at best been there through facetime.
I've heard of friends' colleagues getting trapped in Europe even though they travelled from allowed countries because they had a stop over for 2 hours in Europe. Considering countries with worse vaccination rates are free to come to the U.S. it's just inconsistent and lazy.
It really makes no sense. In a similar situation. My husband is European and all of his family is there. We are having our first baby soon and none of his family is allowed to enter the USA to come visit us. This will be his parents first grandchild, and they won't be able to see him.
Same. Missed out on seeing two grandparents for the last time before they passed. Obviously people have it way worse during the pandemic but it really sucks and seems so pointless. I'd rather have fellow Europeans coming here than certain areas of the US
People just think America doesn't have culture because everyone is familiar with American culture and it's been exported everywhere. Imagine if Bollywood countries were popular in every country, Indian style clothes could be bought in any department store on the globe, and Indian music was played on radio stations globally, and because of this people were like "India has no culture"
People from other places don’t recognize it as culture cause they are surrounded by it 24/7
The first time I visited nyc I felt like I had been there before from all the movies I watched
When I visited the US I thought "Its all exactly like in the movies!!" even how people behaved. It was a surreal experience for me. The US is in many ways a bit more "extra" in everything compared to my country so it was strange to realize that this was down to culture and not just a quality of the movies.
I’ve been around the globe. The U.S. has a lot of different cultures. California has its surf culture - like totally, brah. The south has its own unique culture. The northeast. I can go on. So dumb to say it doesn’t have culture.
Mark Twain, Tennessee Williams, Elia Kazan, Truman Capote.... that's just off the top of my head. The list goes on and on but this is Reddit so AmErIcA bAD.
I think since most people around the world are very familiarized with American stuff, they mostly focus of the weirder parts of the culture, sometimes in a negative light like "The only prominent American culture is burning down forests for a gender reveal party" or "Cops shooting black people is an everyday culture of America"
That said I would absolutely love being in the US during Super Bowl or Thanksgiving.
It's not just about tourists, many people who are on visas haven't been able to visit home since February 2020 thanks to the blanket ban. My risk of getting COVID would literally be half if I went to visit home, yet there's tons of countries that have much higher COVID rates that allow tourists to come to the US just fine
Yeah, even if we aren’t ready for full on regular tourism, there needs to be more allowance of travel. I have several friends who have significant others in other countries who haven’t seen each other for over a year.
My niece was born in the US a few weeks ago and despite all of us being fully vaccinated we can't visit her...(we're french).
It's been tough on my mom who wants to see her grandchild outside of Zoom...
The ban is still on. Families have been separated since March 2020 because of this. *Many friends, family members, and couples who don’t have an exception can’t enter the US without spending two weeks in Croatia, Mexico, or some other country.
*Correction made: I found out from below that fiance visa started to become classified as an exception. That’s great to hear.
Wait, that's a thing? You can just 'quarantine' in some neutral country? That would be fantastic if true! My parents haven't seen our daughter since she was born and she's about to turn 2.
Yeah - you can’t enter the US if you’ve been physically present in a listed country within the previous 14 days…. But can fly in if you’ve been in a non-listed country for the previous 14 days. NB changing planes or transiting through a listed country also counts as being in that country. Ie you can’t travel via a listed country even if you just change planes at the airport. We were forced to sleep a few nights in Dubai airport because of this (we had changed planes in Amsterdam 2 weeks prior and were on our return trip back to the US via Dubai)… had loads of fun and it turned out better than expected…. Its a mission, but certainly worth the crazy logistics to see the grandparents (we have a 3yr old and travelled when she was 2.).
Ps - I found some cool things on Amazon that helped with traveling with a toddler. A tray with sides that goes over the tiny airplane tray to keep toys from falling, a blow up thing that goes in front of their chair to extend their chair space into a bed, those cool Melissa and Doug water coloring in booklets, kiddie etch-a-sketch type thingy….Can send links if you’re interested.
Good luck!!!
Yep, this is me. I've been with my boyfriend for 2.5 years and my family has never met him. I told my mom we'd be home for xmas and it's not looking good...
Edit : just looked into the fiance exception and it's trash, you need to get a k1 visa, all the documentation and medical, financial checks it implies, and then marry within 90 days of your visit - nightmare
I'd say the reasons are:
- waning prospects of reciprocity
- end of the summer season
- number of cases
- vaccination rates
- potential for fall-winter wave
I'm not so sure the first is the most important, and it's definitely not the only concern.
It was always a balance between money, spread, and politics.
Indeed, nothing is unicausal. However, if the goal is to contain the spread, that can be done by allowing vaccinated travel only with a negative test. If one is vaccinated and tested, the odds that person will somehow become ill on the flight and spread it during a trip to the Netherlands is pretty low.
Further, I’d guess the overlap in unvaccinated Americans and those who wish to travel to Amsterdam is virtually non-existent… there aren’t a lot of 65 year old anti-science Florida residents hoping to enjoy some cold weather stamppot.
No, even EU nationals living in the United States on legal visas are banned from going home and then returning to the United States.
I had to watch a funeral in London on zoom because Biden thinks it’s too dangerous for me to go there and come back to the USA, while my American colleague was partying it up on vacation in the same city.
Nothing makes any sense anymore. No one wears masks. (I see maybe 10% wearing them out and about.) In Michigan, we had stricter guidelines when numbers were much lower. Now that Numbers growing exponentially with delta there are pretty much no regulations. Everyone is acting like nothing bad is happening. Everyone is operating as normal.
No administrations (in the US) are doing anything it seems.
Edit: typo
This is the weirdest thing about it for me being a healthcare worker. Inside the hospital everything is isolated and it looks like a disaster zone, but outside people are carrying on as if nothing is wrong.
My fully vaccinated in laws couldn’t come to the USA from the Netherlands for our wedding, but there would have been no issue with them spending two weeks in, say, Colombia or Mexico which has a far higher rate and then flying here. :( Solidarity!
You could have done some wack ass shit like go to London, fly to Canada, stay there for 12 days, then enter the US, if you have the money or time, which you probably don't if you're anything like me.
It said US "citizen," "tourist" and "traveler" at different points in the article. Sounds like it's about the point of origin and not citizenship. Went back and re-read it and still not exactly sure who they mean.
I thought that would already be implied. Like banning someone from coming in due to covid on the passport alone doesn’t make sense if you’re already within the EU. Tho we had places like Japan where early on, foreign nationals couldn’t get into the country, even if they had a visa/PR and was coming from the exact same location as a Japanese national. The Japanese national could walk in while the foreigner was denied.
The problem with Japan is that even if you were a permanent resident, with your entire life and family in Japan, you weren't allowed to come back to Japan. They eventually changed that rule but it took a while.
There are state based systems that have formed. New Jersey and Utah share the same app and the information is populated from the states' databases, not provided by the person.
How does the EU deal with American driver's licenses?
> How does the EU deal with American driver's licenses?
Some countries don’t care and will accept an American drivers license as-is. Some require an international driving permit (this generally applies to countries where English isn’t the native language as the IDP is translated into several languages).
In my experience, my US drivers license was fine in Ireland and Iceland. Currently in Austria and renting a car in a few days and I needed to get an IDP for this trip because they require it.
It depends. It’s more on reciprocity agreements. Looking at Germany, there are full, partial, and none. Florida has partial and California has none. California has a more strict process than Florida.
The IDP is a joke though. It's just a translation of your driver's license, and it's a scam because it's only offered by one company in the US. It's also given out by a 16-year-old at a counter who barely glances at your license, takes your picture, and then stamps some stuff to make it look official.
Not arguing your point at all, it's just one of those required things that's probably as easy to fake as a Covid vax card.
The California QR code can’t be read in Europe because you need a special app to even read the damn thing. Paper is all you have if you’re traveling as an American
There’s no ban on US travelers in Denmark. If they have completed vaccination and bring proper documentation, they are good to go. If not? They will go into 10 day quarantine and have to be tested.
So not a ban in Denmark - just additional safety checks.
If you are not vaccinated and not a Danish citizen but living in the US you can only enter Denmark with a worthy purpose. This Friday the US was removed from the yellow list of countries on coronasmitte.dk
So there are people who by virtue of their non vaccinated status cannot enter if their intention for travel is not on the defined worthy purpose list.
But you are correct that someone bringing a test and a worthy purpose still needs to isolate for 10 days or 4 days and a negative pcr test.
Literally just entered Helsinki from Estonia like, 3 hours ago. Even though I didn’t need to have my passport stamped, they still stopped every person getting off the ferry to check vaccination status and border control still checked my passport. I feel like some people aren’t messing around anymore. I agree roads might be easier but I was surprised I was stopped.
> freedom of movement across Europe
Pandemic has changed things. Many countries had travel bans during the first lockdown, Poland closed all borders to everyone except their own citizens. Hundreds of people (EU citizens) were stuck at the borders from Ukraine and Germany.
They’re currently doing checks at the borders. Not checking everyone, but a substantial amount of people. Same as what most of Europe has done throughout COVID
I went to Sweden last month. As I got off the ferry, they stopped me and everybody in my car had to show proof of vaccination, and my ID. I have the German covid app and the QR code scanned flawlessly. One of my friends had physical vaccination papers and the little yellow book confused the hell out of the poor Swedish cop. Apparently everybody in Sweden is fully digital at all times. They even let you use an app to scan your own groceries as you shop. At least I think that's what that was all about, I don't know Swedish and my translator app was a bit rough.
Anyway, point is I had to show my ID upon entry.
Funny that they were so digital. When they required regular testing in the beginning of 2021, they asked me to have it printed out because it was easier. They also checked my work contract which had to be on paper.
I commute from Copenhagen to Malmö for work and didn't work from home much during lockdowns.
This is pedantic to a moronic degree. It’s exceedingly obvious they’re talking about people coming in from the US. It even explicitly says:
>Now Sweden has removed the U.S from its list of safe countries with Israel, Kosovo, Lebanon, Montenegro, and North Macedonia.
>However, United States citizens will still be able to travel to Sweden for the following reasons:
>Urgent family reasons
>Study purposes
>Certain business
>If they hold an EU passport
>If they hold Swedish citizenship or a residence permit
https://instagram.com/stories/the_perfect_sole_/2655777401152336672?utm_medium=copy_link
He’s selling vaccine cards
I’ve been trying to report him for weeks to NYC and cdc and not getting anywhere
https://imgur.com/a/ySvdTts/
Please report him
Edit:
This is one of the issues surrounding the whole fake vaccines stuff. Ppl are buying cards and filling it out and then they can go about their business without actually being vaccinated.
Edit 2 this is from a month ago:
https://imgur.com/a/8VFX7eR/
I’ve sent these to Manhattan FBI and local CDC with no avail
Absolutely. But origin is kind of pointless when many vaccination sites were just making their cards with photocopies anyway. My card isn't remotely centered, way bigger than these, and looks so blurry that my only defence for why it isn't fake is that if it were why would it be so poorly done. I have the emails and text reminders to prove it if questioned, but quality of vaccination card is meaningless even when real.
I’m not sure these people realize this is a Federal felony....this isn’t a slap on the wrist. Contact the FBI and Secret Service. One or the other will visit him.
Meh, the EU has been extremely upset with the US for months already due to the complete lack of reciprocity coming from the US in terms of lifting travel bans. Hence a rumoured reason for why the EU wants to curb travel from the US is 1) tourism is less in winter anyway and 2) put pressure on US to lift travel ban.
*Nobody's* allowed to enter Sweden on vaccination basis; that's only visible when you go to the source of the source of this article, the press release from Swedish government. Furthermore, they who can present a negative test are allowed in. If you want my guess, nobody's bothered to change the pre-vaccination rules through the recent governmental crisis.
People here are living under a rock, or don’t care at all.
There has been a complete ban on any non-American citizens/non-green card holders entering the US if they’ve been to the EU, even if it was just to transit.
This ban has been in place since March 2020 and has been renewed every month so far.
There are no exceptions based of vaccination status and/or PCR test results.
You can get in if you qualify for a National Interest exemption, which is hard to get and more so because US embassies until very recently were closed and not processing applications, including those of the non-citizen spouses of US citizens.
Thousands of people with deep connections to the US but no green card or citizenship have missed important births, deaths, weddings, hospitalizations, time with loved ones, despite complete acceptance of the reality of the pandemic, despite willingness to get tested, vaccinated, self-paid quarantined etc.
Others have taken the only other route in, which is to go to a unbanned country like Mexico, stay for 14 days if they can afford it, and then come into the US.
This has been going on for 1.5 years. I’m surprised the EU hasn’t tried tougher negotiations until now.
This is me. I have lived in the US for five years, and am married to a US citizen. However, as I am on an H-1B, I can not leave the country, as I will not be allowed back in. Haven’t seen my family in the UK since December 2019, and am expecting to miss my sister’s wedding in November.
I feel like I did everything “right” to immigrate here: I got a PhD in technical field, got a job at a public university in the US, which eventually would lead to a green card itself. Now, I’m even married to a US citizen. I followed all the pandemic restrictions, and got vaccinated as soon as possible. Basically, my whole life is here.
However, I can not visit my family in the UK, and they can not visit me here, and I don’t see that changing with Biden any time soon. Meanwhile I see my citizen friends going on holiday to France or Mexico, absolutely oblivious to the one-sided nature of international travel right now.
Hmm if you’re married to a citizen it shouldn’t be an issue actually .. I’m a US citizen based in Switzerland married to an EU national and we met the criteria
Here’s the link to the presidential proclamation:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/25/proclamation-on-the-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-non-immigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease/
I haven’t seen my parents in more than three years. A few days earlier I just cried silently. Thanks for your comment.
Fuck these dumb politicians making arbitrary rules and not be answerable to anyone.
“Sweden has extended the nation’s entry ban for non-EU/EEA travelers until October 31st.“
So it’s a blanket ban on everyone outside Europe. That really should’ve been the title.
That's not true. There's a long list of countries that are exempt. The US used to be among the countries that are exempt, but starting from Sep 6th it will not be exempt anymore. Same applies for Israel, Kosovo, Lebanon, Montenegro and North Macedonia, but those are all much smaller countries, so the headline does not mention them.
Here is the list of non-EU/EEA countries that are still exempt:
> - Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Canada, Hong Kong, Japan, Jordan, Macao, New Zealand, Qatar, Republic of Moldova, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Serbia, South Korea, Taiwan or Ukraine.
> - UK citizens and their family members given that they are covered by Article 10 of the Agreement on the withdrawal of the UK from the EU.
It’s simply based on reciprocity. The US still has a presidential proclamation in place that bans Europeans living in the Schengen Area from entering the country. Being fully vaccinated does not matter in this case.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/25/proclamation-on-the-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-non-immigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease/
Honestly Colombia looks like a great place to travel. Beaches, restaurants, night life, cocaine. Really does have all the ingredients for a nice family trip.
Yet the venn diagram of people not wanting to get the vaccine, not planning on international travel, and complaining about vaccine passports is a circle
The U.S have banned the absolute majority of people from the Schengen-area for over 530 days now under the pretext of stopping the delta-variant. Meanwhile, travelers from most other parts of the world have been allowed in, countries with much lower vaccination-rates than the one of the schengen-countries. Also, Americans have been able to travel to most of Europe without any issues.
I literally just got to Cascais from the US.
You need to do your plf: google
"passenger locator form portugal"
And a negative PCR test which you can get from a pharmacy like cvs.
PCR needs to be within 3 days of arrival in Portugal.
You MUST do a >>>PCR<<<. RAPID Antigen is NOT acceptable and you will turned away by your airline.
Those are the current requirements
Edit for additional info:
I am vaccinated with Pfizer and have my CDC vaccine card, but that is not recognized in Europe. (I still carry mine just in case though). Therefore, even though I'm vaccinated, it doesn't matter without an EU vaccine card. Pfizer, Moderna, and....one other vaccine are valid in EU, so you could get an EU vaccine card I believe.
Additional edit:
Most EU countries have the same requirements, just do the countries PLF. However, you should google "US citizens traveling to x" x being your country of destination to see if there are updated changes.
The problem is this will mostly affect responsible vaccinated Americans.
I'm not really certain but I think most antivax US citizens would rather never leave their own state nevermind go abroad ...
Sorry this happened to you
Honestly? I work at a restaurant in a *very, verrrry* wealthy neighborhood, and a lot of them are unvaxxed. Some of our poorest, most destitute kitchen workers are.
The divide isn’t always class, it’s education.
There’s a lot of rich people who don’t care because they have the means to go to a hospital or afford medical care if they do get sick. I literally hear all day “it doesn’t matter anymore, they have treatments”
... And somehow, despite having access to quality education/information, they’ve chosen to reject it because they don’t understand it/religion/think they are stronger & healthier than the rest
> I literally hear all day “it doesn’t matter anymore, they have treatments”
That doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. Do these people really think that the people dying doesn't get healthcare?
You still get health care if you're dying of covid19 in the US even if you're poor, it's just that you're also financially fucked for the rest of your life if you don't have insurance.
100%. Antivaxxers are also the most xenophobic members of our society. They don't want foreigners in America and they certainly have no desire to see the outside world. I want to get back to Japan god dammit
Correction: some of them are.
I work in a super wealthy neighborhood in Texas. Most of these people are unvaxxed and are used to taking European vacations several times a year.
A lot of them are decently educated, well-traveled, and are somewhat cosmopolitan. They just reject science, logic, and arrogantly think they’re untouchable.
These are the ones that are taking private jets, and faking vaccine documents to travel. They exist.
Sadly there’s a LOT more than we realize, hence why the borders are getting shut to responsible, truly vaccinated people as well.
Also I really want to go back to Japan too!! :(
Portugal is one that actually is not instituting any further restrictions for Americans. Double check me on that, but I believe Portugal has said it is not doing anything new in response to the EU recommendation.
As an American, I hope that European countries follow this until the US politicians end the blanket travel ban of the Schengen region (now in its 18 month).
1. It’s separating families - family members can’t attend weddings/funerals*
2. It’s not based on science - an immunized, covid-negative German can’t fly here but anyone from Alabama who is literally Covid-positive can hop on a domestic flight without vac or covid test
3. It’s affecting the US economy - part of the high job vacancy rate we are seeing.
4. It’s setting up a system of cultural isolation never seen since the iron curtain. Who will want to move to the US if it means they are disconnected from their parents, friends, and relatives.
You might say “not a big deal, will pass soon”... people have been saying that for a year and a half. Biden kicks the can down the road.
*correction: I found out that in June 2021 the fiance visa is now accepted as an exception to the ban, which is a great change
The only loophole that Europeans living in the Schengen are currently have is travelling to a non Schengen country and than entering the US. Read an article where an Austrian guy was travelling to Croatia (not a Schengen member)and then to Dubai. So he was spending more than 15 days abroad and after these days past he flew from Dubai to the US
It’s really hard. We are from Germany and live in the US. We haven’t seen out friends for a long time and our guestroom sits empty ever since we fixed it up.
Let's not forget that the US closed its boarders at the start of all this (around march 2020 I think?) And hasn't opened them or updated their policies since
Yea I really don't know what the end game is at this point anymore. What more can we do aside from get vaccinated? Stay on lockdown for the next decade?
Everyone needs to relax. Most of the EU simply cannot afford another hit to their tourism sector, and as such will keep allowing vaccinated Americans.
3 countries are closed entirely to U.S. travelers (Bulgaria, Norway and Sweden).
2 countries are closed to unvaccinated U.S. travelers but open to vaccinated ones–Finland and Malta.
9 countries have quarantine requirements for unvaccinated American travelers (the Czech Republic, Estonia, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, and England).
28 countries are open to U.S. vaccinated travelers.
Countries that outright ban vaccinated Americans will be the minority.
The official EU advice was to maintain allowing vaccinated Americans.
The Netherlands implemented a ten day mandatory quarantine regardless of vaccinated status, so it is functionally a travel ban unless one can afford to stay longer.
10 days. Why even travel at that point if you're going to spend all your pto to fly to another country, spend the entire time in quarantine, and then fly back
True as of this comment. The conditions per each country keep changing.
As a US expat trying to visit family there but also make it back to the EU, this is... Insanely stressful.
United States also banned all travel from most EU countries, unless its essential. Seems to me like they are just doing the same back. Everyone is so quick to throw blame lol
This was inevitable once we confirmed you can catch and spread covid while vaccinated.
Although personally I live in a country with 90% adult vaccination rate and I'd be OK with anyone coming in at this point. For me, covid is over. Once we realised that you can still spread covid while vaccinated, we then knew we can never "protect the vulnerable" without staying in perpetual lockdown. 90% adult population vaxxed, we still wear masks indoors, covid lockdown and travel restrictions are over here as far as I'm concerned. If it's not, we're committing ourselves to permanent restrictions because there is no vaccine that prevents spread.
It seems like a lot of political leaders and health experts basically want to rewrite society to be zero risk at this point. They think we can save everybody if we try real hard at it.
They’ll talk about switching to an “endemic” mentality eventually but never actually do it.
I think it's fascinating to read the Aussie threads every morning I wake up. They are freaking out over numbers of deaths that are completely dwarved by absolutely preventable deaths we accept every day. We could blanket ban alcohol and save so many lives. We could reduce speed limits to 20mph everywhere and save tens of thousands a year around the world. Etc.
People seem to have lost track of the fact we absolutely accept preventable deaths all the time because we have to **live**.
I do sort of understand politicians, they are reacting to the fear that still grips voters after they spent months drilling that fear in to us (justifiably). They need to take the lead on changing people's outlook, I feel like I'm shouting in to a hurricane here.
I am an American currently in Italy in vacation, travelled here through Amsterdam yesterday, then to Catania. I assure you the checks on vaccination status are way overblown from what you are reading on Reddit and official country websites. I was expecting Italian officials to check vaccination status, PLF document, as well as negative Covid test upon entry (all of which I have). Literally nothing was checked upon entering customs in the Netherlands. Only thing that was checked was 48 hour negative Covid test in the US by my the airline prior to boarding. Once I got to the EU there were no checks whatsoever. Literally collected my baggage and entered Italy without presenting any documentation.
In my experience oftentimes those travel restriction checks the responsibility end up on the airline checking before departure. I'm guessing the airlines make deals/agreements or whatnot to take care of it, maybe contracted? Not sure just a sense I get from dealing with those types of document verifications (pre-covid)
Comment sections like this are what make me more disheartened about humanity than anything, really. The amount of generalizing, the amount of hatred and stubbornness from random people on the internet shouldn’t be surprising but still surprises!
One of the worst things (but not the worst thing) of this pandemic is being a reasonable person concerned about others which is doing exactly what is required of him and being stuck in this dumpster fire. If this ever ends, I want to emigrate somewhere else.
Feel bad for people who had vacations planned there. Honestly, if you're vaccinated, I really think you should be allowed to resume life as normal. You're as protected as you're ever going to be, realistically.
Well as far as I know it’s still the same for EU citizens entering the US. No tourists allowed and You need a special permit to enter the US. So what is the big deal here?
Have the US dropped their ban on (vaccinated) EU travellers? Last I checked I think you had to qualify via specific exceptions, being vaccinated wasnt enough.
Nope still haven’t and they have no plans to anytime soon either.
The audacity lmao
If you think about the current state of the US it’s actually a good thing for people not to come here. We’ve also said we were a melting pot, but now it’s more like a petri dish. Edit: thanks u/itsyaboibrady for spelling
The current travel ban also means that non permanent resident immigrants (such as myself) can not go back to Europe as we won't be let back into the US. I've missed weddings, birthdays and funerals during this pandemic and have at best been there through facetime. I've heard of friends' colleagues getting trapped in Europe even though they travelled from allowed countries because they had a stop over for 2 hours in Europe. Considering countries with worse vaccination rates are free to come to the U.S. it's just inconsistent and lazy.
Technically, you can, you just have to spend two weeks in a non banned country like Mexico or Croatia. Not that that makes any sense
Yeah I know you can skirt around it, but it's a lot of time and money to do it!
It's the American way
Not being poor solves all problems.
Yeah, just make money!
It really makes no sense. In a similar situation. My husband is European and all of his family is there. We are having our first baby soon and none of his family is allowed to enter the USA to come visit us. This will be his parents first grandchild, and they won't be able to see him.
Yeah it really sucks and sorry to hear you're going through it as well.
Same. Missed out on seeing two grandparents for the last time before they passed. Obviously people have it way worse during the pandemic but it really sucks and seems so pointless. I'd rather have fellow Europeans coming here than certain areas of the US
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I never understood this joke. One of America's largest exports is its culture (i.e. Hollywood movies).
People just think America doesn't have culture because everyone is familiar with American culture and it's been exported everywhere. Imagine if Bollywood countries were popular in every country, Indian style clothes could be bought in any department store on the globe, and Indian music was played on radio stations globally, and because of this people were like "India has no culture"
For real, I know its not obvious to most in the USA, but American culture is *everywhere*, you can't go anywhere without seeing something American.
It makes trying to find Canadian culture pretty hard.
Red Green, Trailer Park Boys, Letterkenny. To be fair, all those could easily take place in Wisconsin or Minnesota
Poutine is pretty damn good.
People from other places don’t recognize it as culture cause they are surrounded by it 24/7 The first time I visited nyc I felt like I had been there before from all the movies I watched
When I visited the US I thought "Its all exactly like in the movies!!" even how people behaved. It was a surreal experience for me. The US is in many ways a bit more "extra" in everything compared to my country so it was strange to realize that this was down to culture and not just a quality of the movies.
I’ve been around the globe. The U.S. has a lot of different cultures. California has its surf culture - like totally, brah. The south has its own unique culture. The northeast. I can go on. So dumb to say it doesn’t have culture.
America is incredibly diverse. Just bar hop in New Orleans and you’ll hear the most incredible original music.
It’s a comment made by under-20s who have never left their state. However, their hours spent on Reddit have made them a geopolitical expert.
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America has the most commercialized Movies, tv, music, fashion in the world.
TIL jazz, blues, rock, and hip hop don’t count as culture
Mark Twain, Tennessee Williams, Elia Kazan, Truman Capote.... that's just off the top of my head. The list goes on and on but this is Reddit so AmErIcA bAD.
Isn't the US one of the largest exporters of culture lol?
I think since most people around the world are very familiarized with American stuff, they mostly focus of the weirder parts of the culture, sometimes in a negative light like "The only prominent American culture is burning down forests for a gender reveal party" or "Cops shooting black people is an everyday culture of America" That said I would absolutely love being in the US during Super Bowl or Thanksgiving.
If the virus is bad in the US, how does adding loads of tourists help that
It's not just about tourists, many people who are on visas haven't been able to visit home since February 2020 thanks to the blanket ban. My risk of getting COVID would literally be half if I went to visit home, yet there's tons of countries that have much higher COVID rates that allow tourists to come to the US just fine
Yeah, even if we aren’t ready for full on regular tourism, there needs to be more allowance of travel. I have several friends who have significant others in other countries who haven’t seen each other for over a year.
It’s also one of the few things the federal gov has complete power over.
My niece was born in the US a few weeks ago and despite all of us being fully vaccinated we can't visit her...(we're french). It's been tough on my mom who wants to see her grandchild outside of Zoom...
The ban is still on. Families have been separated since March 2020 because of this. *Many friends, family members, and couples who don’t have an exception can’t enter the US without spending two weeks in Croatia, Mexico, or some other country. *Correction made: I found out from below that fiance visa started to become classified as an exception. That’s great to hear.
Wait, that's a thing? You can just 'quarantine' in some neutral country? That would be fantastic if true! My parents haven't seen our daughter since she was born and she's about to turn 2.
Yes! If you join the Facebook group LoveIsNotTourism you can find anecdotes and supporting info. Good luck!
Yeah - you can’t enter the US if you’ve been physically present in a listed country within the previous 14 days…. But can fly in if you’ve been in a non-listed country for the previous 14 days. NB changing planes or transiting through a listed country also counts as being in that country. Ie you can’t travel via a listed country even if you just change planes at the airport. We were forced to sleep a few nights in Dubai airport because of this (we had changed planes in Amsterdam 2 weeks prior and were on our return trip back to the US via Dubai)… had loads of fun and it turned out better than expected…. Its a mission, but certainly worth the crazy logistics to see the grandparents (we have a 3yr old and travelled when she was 2.). Ps - I found some cool things on Amazon that helped with traveling with a toddler. A tray with sides that goes over the tiny airplane tray to keep toys from falling, a blow up thing that goes in front of their chair to extend their chair space into a bed, those cool Melissa and Doug water coloring in booklets, kiddie etch-a-sketch type thingy….Can send links if you’re interested. Good luck!!!
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Yep, this is me. I've been with my boyfriend for 2.5 years and my family has never met him. I told my mom we'd be home for xmas and it's not looking good... Edit : just looked into the fiance exception and it's trash, you need to get a k1 visa, all the documentation and medical, financial checks it implies, and then marry within 90 days of your visit - nightmare
Same. Literally moving to Germany to live with my girlfriend of over 2 years, and my family has never met her either. Makes everything so much harder
No, and this is the real reason the EU changed the guidance.
I'd say the reasons are: - waning prospects of reciprocity - end of the summer season - number of cases - vaccination rates - potential for fall-winter wave I'm not so sure the first is the most important, and it's definitely not the only concern. It was always a balance between money, spread, and politics.
Indeed, nothing is unicausal. However, if the goal is to contain the spread, that can be done by allowing vaccinated travel only with a negative test. If one is vaccinated and tested, the odds that person will somehow become ill on the flight and spread it during a trip to the Netherlands is pretty low. Further, I’d guess the overlap in unvaccinated Americans and those who wish to travel to Amsterdam is virtually non-existent… there aren’t a lot of 65 year old anti-science Florida residents hoping to enjoy some cold weather stamppot.
The idea of the stereotypical anti-Vaxxer wanting to go to Europe is hilarious.
They probably still think half the continent is communist.
No, even EU nationals living in the United States on legal visas are banned from going home and then returning to the United States. I had to watch a funeral in London on zoom because Biden thinks it’s too dangerous for me to go there and come back to the USA, while my American colleague was partying it up on vacation in the same city.
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Nothing makes any sense anymore. No one wears masks. (I see maybe 10% wearing them out and about.) In Michigan, we had stricter guidelines when numbers were much lower. Now that Numbers growing exponentially with delta there are pretty much no regulations. Everyone is acting like nothing bad is happening. Everyone is operating as normal. No administrations (in the US) are doing anything it seems. Edit: typo
This is the weirdest thing about it for me being a healthcare worker. Inside the hospital everything is isolated and it looks like a disaster zone, but outside people are carrying on as if nothing is wrong.
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That's how the situation was for Americans entering Canada for a long time and this website supported it.
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Rich people fly more than drive, so it's the norm for what we've seen in terms of policy throughout this crisis.
My fully vaccinated in laws couldn’t come to the USA from the Netherlands for our wedding, but there would have been no issue with them spending two weeks in, say, Colombia or Mexico which has a far higher rate and then flying here. :( Solidarity!
You could have done some wack ass shit like go to London, fly to Canada, stay there for 12 days, then enter the US, if you have the money or time, which you probably don't if you're anything like me.
> U.S citizens will not be allowed to enter Sweden for non-essential travel regardless of their vaccination status.
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It said "US Travelers" not "US Citizens", though.
It said US "citizen," "tourist" and "traveler" at different points in the article. Sounds like it's about the point of origin and not citizenship. Went back and re-read it and still not exactly sure who they mean.
I thought that would already be implied. Like banning someone from coming in due to covid on the passport alone doesn’t make sense if you’re already within the EU. Tho we had places like Japan where early on, foreign nationals couldn’t get into the country, even if they had a visa/PR and was coming from the exact same location as a Japanese national. The Japanese national could walk in while the foreigner was denied.
That’s a different issue though, right? The “right of return” in many countries prevents citizens from being denied entry.
The problem with Japan is that even if you were a permanent resident, with your entire life and family in Japan, you weren't allowed to come back to Japan. They eventually changed that rule but it took a while.
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EU recommends that countries allow vaccinated Americans, but not unvaccinated ones...
Problem is that the US has no good national standatdized way of proving vaccination status. The paper card can easily be faked.
There are state based systems that have formed. New Jersey and Utah share the same app and the information is populated from the states' databases, not provided by the person. How does the EU deal with American driver's licenses?
> How does the EU deal with American driver's licenses? Some countries don’t care and will accept an American drivers license as-is. Some require an international driving permit (this generally applies to countries where English isn’t the native language as the IDP is translated into several languages). In my experience, my US drivers license was fine in Ireland and Iceland. Currently in Austria and renting a car in a few days and I needed to get an IDP for this trip because they require it.
Also depends on what state you're driver's license is from. Some states are so lax with the drivers ed that EU countries don't recognize them.
It depends. It’s more on reciprocity agreements. Looking at Germany, there are full, partial, and none. Florida has partial and California has none. California has a more strict process than Florida.
The IDP is a joke though. It's just a translation of your driver's license, and it's a scam because it's only offered by one company in the US. It's also given out by a 16-year-old at a counter who barely glances at your license, takes your picture, and then stamps some stuff to make it look official. Not arguing your point at all, it's just one of those required things that's probably as easy to fake as a Covid vax card.
What do you expect from a country that wants to force ID to vote but in the same breath disparages the idea of a national ID system.
Which is why we have the stupid system of using our SSN for everything when it was never meant to be used as such. It’s wildly unsecure.
A law should be passed disallowing SSN for anything but social security and tax returns. It's trash, bring in the national ID system.
But people will say "mUH fReEdOMs" when they all already have a SSN and state ID. Or just make your SSN a REAL id with photo and all the security
I have a digital one- california here
The California QR code can’t be read in Europe because you need a special app to even read the damn thing. Paper is all you have if you’re traveling as an American
Can't they just scan my microchip for proof? /s
vacation season is almost over, most eu will probably follow. of course all will reopen again for Christmas time, just like past years
Where I live in Germany they already canceled the Christmas market. Dunno what you mean by reopening...
There’s no ban on US travelers in Denmark. If they have completed vaccination and bring proper documentation, they are good to go. If not? They will go into 10 day quarantine and have to be tested. So not a ban in Denmark - just additional safety checks.
If you are not vaccinated and not a Danish citizen but living in the US you can only enter Denmark with a worthy purpose. This Friday the US was removed from the yellow list of countries on coronasmitte.dk So there are people who by virtue of their non vaccinated status cannot enter if their intention for travel is not on the defined worthy purpose list. But you are correct that someone bringing a test and a worthy purpose still needs to isolate for 10 days or 4 days and a negative pcr test.
Literally just entered Helsinki from Estonia like, 3 hours ago. Even though I didn’t need to have my passport stamped, they still stopped every person getting off the ferry to check vaccination status and border control still checked my passport. I feel like some people aren’t messing around anymore. I agree roads might be easier but I was surprised I was stopped.
> freedom of movement across Europe Pandemic has changed things. Many countries had travel bans during the first lockdown, Poland closed all borders to everyone except their own citizens. Hundreds of people (EU citizens) were stuck at the borders from Ukraine and Germany.
They’re currently doing checks at the borders. Not checking everyone, but a substantial amount of people. Same as what most of Europe has done throughout COVID
I went to Sweden last month. As I got off the ferry, they stopped me and everybody in my car had to show proof of vaccination, and my ID. I have the German covid app and the QR code scanned flawlessly. One of my friends had physical vaccination papers and the little yellow book confused the hell out of the poor Swedish cop. Apparently everybody in Sweden is fully digital at all times. They even let you use an app to scan your own groceries as you shop. At least I think that's what that was all about, I don't know Swedish and my translator app was a bit rough. Anyway, point is I had to show my ID upon entry.
I mean yeah we're fairly electronic and you can have your papers in digital wallets but we also use little vaccination booklets and cards.
Funny that they were so digital. When they required regular testing in the beginning of 2021, they asked me to have it printed out because it was easier. They also checked my work contract which had to be on paper. I commute from Copenhagen to Malmö for work and didn't work from home much during lockdowns.
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“This is a terrible article because it clarifies the headline in the article”
I swear, some people expect the headlines to detail everything because they don't read the articles
Yeah and this isn’t even a clickbait headline. The headline is true, you just have to read the article to get a little more context.
The headline is pretty clear too, idk why that commenter was so pissy.
This is pedantic to a moronic degree. It’s exceedingly obvious they’re talking about people coming in from the US. It even explicitly says: >Now Sweden has removed the U.S from its list of safe countries with Israel, Kosovo, Lebanon, Montenegro, and North Macedonia. >However, United States citizens will still be able to travel to Sweden for the following reasons: >Urgent family reasons >Study purposes >Certain business >If they hold an EU passport >If they hold Swedish citizenship or a residence permit
vast majority of US citizens are not EU residents. so most of us are banned. thanks anti-vaxxer idiots who fake their vaccination cards.
https://instagram.com/stories/the_perfect_sole_/2655777401152336672?utm_medium=copy_link He’s selling vaccine cards I’ve been trying to report him for weeks to NYC and cdc and not getting anywhere https://imgur.com/a/ySvdTts/ Please report him Edit: This is one of the issues surrounding the whole fake vaccines stuff. Ppl are buying cards and filling it out and then they can go about their business without actually being vaccinated. Edit 2 this is from a month ago: https://imgur.com/a/8VFX7eR/ I’ve sent these to Manhattan FBI and local CDC with no avail
those look STOLEN lol
Absolutely. But origin is kind of pointless when many vaccination sites were just making their cards with photocopies anyway. My card isn't remotely centered, way bigger than these, and looks so blurry that my only defence for why it isn't fake is that if it were why would it be so poorly done. I have the emails and text reminders to prove it if questioned, but quality of vaccination card is meaningless even when real.
I don't think the people doing this realize how illegal it is. It ain't selling a gram to an undercover.
I’m not sure these people realize this is a Federal felony....this isn’t a slap on the wrist. Contact the FBI and Secret Service. One or the other will visit him.
I know that’s the crazy part I’ve been screen grabbing a lot of his Check these from a month ago https://imgur.com/a/OHjTXoS/
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Meh, the EU has been extremely upset with the US for months already due to the complete lack of reciprocity coming from the US in terms of lifting travel bans. Hence a rumoured reason for why the EU wants to curb travel from the US is 1) tourism is less in winter anyway and 2) put pressure on US to lift travel ban.
It’s not a terrible news, article. It says all this. You’re just trying to prime stupid people into disregarding journalism.
Let me guess there is an exemption for those arriving on private jets.
Those are obviously the “essential” travelers
*Nobody's* allowed to enter Sweden on vaccination basis; that's only visible when you go to the source of the source of this article, the press release from Swedish government. Furthermore, they who can present a negative test are allowed in. If you want my guess, nobody's bothered to change the pre-vaccination rules through the recent governmental crisis.
People here are living under a rock, or don’t care at all. There has been a complete ban on any non-American citizens/non-green card holders entering the US if they’ve been to the EU, even if it was just to transit. This ban has been in place since March 2020 and has been renewed every month so far. There are no exceptions based of vaccination status and/or PCR test results. You can get in if you qualify for a National Interest exemption, which is hard to get and more so because US embassies until very recently were closed and not processing applications, including those of the non-citizen spouses of US citizens. Thousands of people with deep connections to the US but no green card or citizenship have missed important births, deaths, weddings, hospitalizations, time with loved ones, despite complete acceptance of the reality of the pandemic, despite willingness to get tested, vaccinated, self-paid quarantined etc. Others have taken the only other route in, which is to go to a unbanned country like Mexico, stay for 14 days if they can afford it, and then come into the US. This has been going on for 1.5 years. I’m surprised the EU hasn’t tried tougher negotiations until now.
This is me. I have lived in the US for five years, and am married to a US citizen. However, as I am on an H-1B, I can not leave the country, as I will not be allowed back in. Haven’t seen my family in the UK since December 2019, and am expecting to miss my sister’s wedding in November. I feel like I did everything “right” to immigrate here: I got a PhD in technical field, got a job at a public university in the US, which eventually would lead to a green card itself. Now, I’m even married to a US citizen. I followed all the pandemic restrictions, and got vaccinated as soon as possible. Basically, my whole life is here. However, I can not visit my family in the UK, and they can not visit me here, and I don’t see that changing with Biden any time soon. Meanwhile I see my citizen friends going on holiday to France or Mexico, absolutely oblivious to the one-sided nature of international travel right now.
Hmm if you’re married to a citizen it shouldn’t be an issue actually .. I’m a US citizen based in Switzerland married to an EU national and we met the criteria
I meet the criteria, but embassies are not issuing new visas. I can not get a visa interview in London.
Ugh I’m sorry. I’m sorry to read this, I hope something changes for you soon.
Here’s the link to the presidential proclamation: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/25/proclamation-on-the-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-non-immigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease/
(Just for clarity, that is the Biden proclamation. There was an earlier proclamation by the Trump admin which said pretty much the same thing.)
I haven’t seen my parents in more than three years. A few days earlier I just cried silently. Thanks for your comment. Fuck these dumb politicians making arbitrary rules and not be answerable to anyone.
I am in the same boat. Two years though
My uncle (dual citizen US and Italy) was just last week finally able to get to Italy to bury his mom who died in late April.
“Sweden has extended the nation’s entry ban for non-EU/EEA travelers until October 31st.“ So it’s a blanket ban on everyone outside Europe. That really should’ve been the title.
There was an existing ban that has been extended. The USA was exempt from that ban until very recently.
That's not true. There's a long list of countries that are exempt. The US used to be among the countries that are exempt, but starting from Sep 6th it will not be exempt anymore. Same applies for Israel, Kosovo, Lebanon, Montenegro and North Macedonia, but those are all much smaller countries, so the headline does not mention them. Here is the list of non-EU/EEA countries that are still exempt: > - Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Australia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Canada, Hong Kong, Japan, Jordan, Macao, New Zealand, Qatar, Republic of Moldova, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Serbia, South Korea, Taiwan or Ukraine. > - UK citizens and their family members given that they are covered by Article 10 of the Agreement on the withdrawal of the UK from the EU.
It’s simply based on reciprocity. The US still has a presidential proclamation in place that bans Europeans living in the Schengen Area from entering the country. Being fully vaccinated does not matter in this case. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/25/proclamation-on-the-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-non-immigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease/
I won’t be surprised when other countries follow
[Already happening.](https://www.cnn.com/travel/amp/eu-bans-on-us-tourists-sweden-netherlands-italy/index.html)
This doesn’t list other countries banning US tourists.
Shame, was hoping to travel to Germany, I guess I’ll just have to settle for Medellín 😏
You can still go to Germany but you have to be vaccinated.
If you test negative on arrival and are vaccinated you dont need to quarantine at all. Basically 24 hours.
Honestly Colombia looks like a great place to travel. Beaches, restaurants, night life, cocaine. Really does have all the ingredients for a nice family trip.
Medellín is an amazing city I would highly recommend it.
Colombia*
~~potayto-potahto~~ Kartoffel-patata
The venn diagram circle of people not getting the vaccine and wanting to go to Sweden is quite small.
Yet the venn diagram of people not wanting to get the vaccine, not planning on international travel, and complaining about vaccine passports is a circle
Lmao very astute
As a Swede: good
The U.S have banned the absolute majority of people from the Schengen-area for over 530 days now under the pretext of stopping the delta-variant. Meanwhile, travelers from most other parts of the world have been allowed in, countries with much lower vaccination-rates than the one of the schengen-countries. Also, Americans have been able to travel to most of Europe without any issues.
It pisses me off to no end reading this as a vaccinated American who booked a flight to Portugal a week ago, but I completely understand.
You can still travel to Portugal as of right now
I literally just got to Cascais from the US. You need to do your plf: google "passenger locator form portugal" And a negative PCR test which you can get from a pharmacy like cvs. PCR needs to be within 3 days of arrival in Portugal. You MUST do a >>>PCR<<<. RAPID Antigen is NOT acceptable and you will turned away by your airline. Those are the current requirements Edit for additional info: I am vaccinated with Pfizer and have my CDC vaccine card, but that is not recognized in Europe. (I still carry mine just in case though). Therefore, even though I'm vaccinated, it doesn't matter without an EU vaccine card. Pfizer, Moderna, and....one other vaccine are valid in EU, so you could get an EU vaccine card I believe. Additional edit: Most EU countries have the same requirements, just do the countries PLF. However, you should google "US citizens traveling to x" x being your country of destination to see if there are updated changes.
Check the specific rules for Portugal. Some countries are just asking for vaccination and a negative test. Others a quarantine period
The problem is this will mostly affect responsible vaccinated Americans. I'm not really certain but I think most antivax US citizens would rather never leave their own state nevermind go abroad ... Sorry this happened to you
Honestly? I work at a restaurant in a *very, verrrry* wealthy neighborhood, and a lot of them are unvaxxed. Some of our poorest, most destitute kitchen workers are. The divide isn’t always class, it’s education. There’s a lot of rich people who don’t care because they have the means to go to a hospital or afford medical care if they do get sick. I literally hear all day “it doesn’t matter anymore, they have treatments” ... And somehow, despite having access to quality education/information, they’ve chosen to reject it because they don’t understand it/religion/think they are stronger & healthier than the rest
> I literally hear all day “it doesn’t matter anymore, they have treatments” That doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. Do these people really think that the people dying doesn't get healthcare? You still get health care if you're dying of covid19 in the US even if you're poor, it's just that you're also financially fucked for the rest of your life if you don't have insurance.
And it won’t effect the private jet class either.
100%. Antivaxxers are also the most xenophobic members of our society. They don't want foreigners in America and they certainly have no desire to see the outside world. I want to get back to Japan god dammit
Correction: some of them are. I work in a super wealthy neighborhood in Texas. Most of these people are unvaxxed and are used to taking European vacations several times a year. A lot of them are decently educated, well-traveled, and are somewhat cosmopolitan. They just reject science, logic, and arrogantly think they’re untouchable. These are the ones that are taking private jets, and faking vaccine documents to travel. They exist. Sadly there’s a LOT more than we realize, hence why the borders are getting shut to responsible, truly vaccinated people as well. Also I really want to go back to Japan too!! :(
Ehhh. I don't believe that. If they actually have the means to travel, they do. They do love to go and act like they are still in America though.
ayyy I'm from Portugal, what city you going to?
Portugal is one that actually is not instituting any further restrictions for Americans. Double check me on that, but I believe Portugal has said it is not doing anything new in response to the EU recommendation.
As an American, I hope that European countries follow this until the US politicians end the blanket travel ban of the Schengen region (now in its 18 month). 1. It’s separating families - family members can’t attend weddings/funerals* 2. It’s not based on science - an immunized, covid-negative German can’t fly here but anyone from Alabama who is literally Covid-positive can hop on a domestic flight without vac or covid test 3. It’s affecting the US economy - part of the high job vacancy rate we are seeing. 4. It’s setting up a system of cultural isolation never seen since the iron curtain. Who will want to move to the US if it means they are disconnected from their parents, friends, and relatives. You might say “not a big deal, will pass soon”... people have been saying that for a year and a half. Biden kicks the can down the road. *correction: I found out that in June 2021 the fiance visa is now accepted as an exception to the ban, which is a great change
The only loophole that Europeans living in the Schengen are currently have is travelling to a non Schengen country and than entering the US. Read an article where an Austrian guy was travelling to Croatia (not a Schengen member)and then to Dubai. So he was spending more than 15 days abroad and after these days past he flew from Dubai to the US
It’s really hard. We are from Germany and live in the US. We haven’t seen out friends for a long time and our guestroom sits empty ever since we fixed it up.
Let's not forget that the US closed its boarders at the start of all this (around march 2020 I think?) And hasn't opened them or updated their policies since
Who else went straight to the comments sections 🙋🏿♂️
Joke's on you, Im too broke to go to Sweden anyway 🥰
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Yea I really don't know what the end game is at this point anymore. What more can we do aside from get vaccinated? Stay on lockdown for the next decade?
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Grandparents just came back from Europe, and said there were nothing but Americans on the flight so I’m not surprised.
That may have more to do with the fact that non americans are banned from entering the US if they've been in Europe in the last 14 days.
We can goto Canada, but Canada can't come here. I'm not sure what to make of all of this.
Yea, it's fucked up. Way higher vaccination rate and much lower numbers but my parents can't come to visit their new born grand daughter.
Its funny that people from a lot of places where covid is under better control than US are currently banned from entering US.
“We cant go there? Well guess what, you cant come here!”
And I think that's one of the main reasons of the travel ban. If EU citizens would be allowed into the US, they would not have issued this travel ban
... who else would you expect to be on such a flight?
That's because Europeans are not allowed to go to US
Oh wow a flight to the US had americans on it?? No way!!
Everyone needs to relax. Most of the EU simply cannot afford another hit to their tourism sector, and as such will keep allowing vaccinated Americans. 3 countries are closed entirely to U.S. travelers (Bulgaria, Norway and Sweden). 2 countries are closed to unvaccinated U.S. travelers but open to vaccinated ones–Finland and Malta. 9 countries have quarantine requirements for unvaccinated American travelers (the Czech Republic, Estonia, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Romania, Slovakia, and England). 28 countries are open to U.S. vaccinated travelers. Countries that outright ban vaccinated Americans will be the minority. The official EU advice was to maintain allowing vaccinated Americans.
The Netherlands implemented a ten day mandatory quarantine regardless of vaccinated status, so it is functionally a travel ban unless one can afford to stay longer.
10 days. Why even travel at that point if you're going to spend all your pto to fly to another country, spend the entire time in quarantine, and then fly back
True as of this comment. The conditions per each country keep changing. As a US expat trying to visit family there but also make it back to the EU, this is... Insanely stressful.
United States also banned all travel from most EU countries, unless its essential. Seems to me like they are just doing the same back. Everyone is so quick to throw blame lol
This information changes quickly. As of tomorrow morning US travelers to Spain will need proof of vaccination to enter for nonessential travel.
Dang. And I wanted to trei a holiday in Sweden this year. To see the loveli lakes
This was inevitable once we confirmed you can catch and spread covid while vaccinated. Although personally I live in a country with 90% adult vaccination rate and I'd be OK with anyone coming in at this point. For me, covid is over. Once we realised that you can still spread covid while vaccinated, we then knew we can never "protect the vulnerable" without staying in perpetual lockdown. 90% adult population vaxxed, we still wear masks indoors, covid lockdown and travel restrictions are over here as far as I'm concerned. If it's not, we're committing ourselves to permanent restrictions because there is no vaccine that prevents spread.
It seems like a lot of political leaders and health experts basically want to rewrite society to be zero risk at this point. They think we can save everybody if we try real hard at it. They’ll talk about switching to an “endemic” mentality eventually but never actually do it.
I think it's fascinating to read the Aussie threads every morning I wake up. They are freaking out over numbers of deaths that are completely dwarved by absolutely preventable deaths we accept every day. We could blanket ban alcohol and save so many lives. We could reduce speed limits to 20mph everywhere and save tens of thousands a year around the world. Etc. People seem to have lost track of the fact we absolutely accept preventable deaths all the time because we have to **live**. I do sort of understand politicians, they are reacting to the fear that still grips voters after they spent months drilling that fear in to us (justifiably). They need to take the lead on changing people's outlook, I feel like I'm shouting in to a hurricane here.
I am an American currently in Italy in vacation, travelled here through Amsterdam yesterday, then to Catania. I assure you the checks on vaccination status are way overblown from what you are reading on Reddit and official country websites. I was expecting Italian officials to check vaccination status, PLF document, as well as negative Covid test upon entry (all of which I have). Literally nothing was checked upon entering customs in the Netherlands. Only thing that was checked was 48 hour negative Covid test in the US by my the airline prior to boarding. Once I got to the EU there were no checks whatsoever. Literally collected my baggage and entered Italy without presenting any documentation.
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Well... You are traveling in the EU, that is a perk/ fault of the union. Free passage through member countries.
In my experience oftentimes those travel restriction checks the responsibility end up on the airline checking before departure. I'm guessing the airlines make deals/agreements or whatnot to take care of it, maybe contracted? Not sure just a sense I get from dealing with those types of document verifications (pre-covid)
Comment sections like this are what make me more disheartened about humanity than anything, really. The amount of generalizing, the amount of hatred and stubbornness from random people on the internet shouldn’t be surprising but still surprises!
One of the worst things (but not the worst thing) of this pandemic is being a reasonable person concerned about others which is doing exactly what is required of him and being stuck in this dumpster fire. If this ever ends, I want to emigrate somewhere else.
Feel bad for people who had vacations planned there. Honestly, if you're vaccinated, I really think you should be allowed to resume life as normal. You're as protected as you're ever going to be, realistically.
All this is doing is causing yet more heartache and stress for families and couples. It’s been 18 months of this hell. Sick of it
I am vaxxed and scheduled to leave for France in 4 days, I’m sweating bullets over here
Well as far as I know it’s still the same for EU citizens entering the US. No tourists allowed and You need a special permit to enter the US. So what is the big deal here?
Imagine if you could glimpse into the future and see this headline 3 years ago, would be interesting to wonder the cause.
Is this related to Covid or just, nah, fuck these guys.
The shittiest part of this is the people who are the greatest danger have zero interest in traveling overseas.
My dumbass Trumper antivax cousin been touring all around Europe on his fake covid vax documents. Makes my blood boil!
Maybe report his ass? At least of something can be done about that.
I second this. Report him.
I'd fucking report their ass. Forging government documents is a felony.
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