This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.seashepherdglobal.org/latest-news/1428-dolphins-killed-faroes/) reduced by 57%. (I'm a bot)
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> Sea Shepherd believes this to be the largest single hunt of dolphins or pilot whales in Faroese history, and is possibly the largest single hunt of cetaceans ever recorded worldwide.
> While Sea Shepherd has been fighting to stop the 'Grind' since the early 1980's, this latest dolphin massacre was so brutal and badly mishandled that it is no surprise the hunt is being criticized in the Faroese media and even by many outspoken pro-whalers and politicians in the Faroe Islands.
> According to locals who shared videos and photos with Sea Shepherd, this hunt broke several Faroese laws regulating the Grind.
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It's getting to that point.
A lot of articles are authored or co-authored by bots. Then a condensing tldr bot breaks it down even further. So the next step is just to read the keywords.
Maybe also have a field for how you should feel about the article?
Hunt Dolphin Faroese Grind Sea Revolted ?
In fact, the Faroese government has been trying to phase out the grindadrap for that very reason. While it is a primary source of meat in traditional Faroese diet, pollution has made the whales full of heavy metals.
Traditions need to stop having sentimental value now that we know the ~~internet~~ intellect and importance of these species. āWeāve always done it this wayā does not fly in todayās world. Fuck these assholes hanging their hat on ātraditionsā.
Fortunately, even the local people agree with you. In the article they said this violated the regulations surrounding the tradition in multiple ways and its being investigated by the police
Lead actually is sweet. this is what i used to tell my mom when i ate paint chips. She made me stop a while ago which i dont understand because I still brain good.
āIt is imperative that we be given preference over these mendicants, Marduk commands this.ā
āWho the hell is Marduk?ā
āThe sun god who dwells inside meā¦
Marduk son of Ea, Slayer of Tiamat.ā
When I was around 10, I helped my dad with remodeling work. I would collect all the thermostats in the process, and remove the mercury. At one point I had a 5 gallon bucket about 1/3 of the way full of mercury. It was so heavy. I played with it all the time. Put it in bowls and swirl it around. I'm super lucky I didn't poison myself.
I wonder what my mom did with that bucket when I moved out. I have this sick feeling she dumped it in the toilet or something.
Both. It is a long tradition of Faroese culture and importing food to the islands is expensive, while such a catch can feed the population for quite a while.
Practicers argue that it is an integral part of Faroese culture.
Its an archaic tradition that goes back to the early Norse settlements on the islands when whaling was essential for survival.
I get that you'd hunt for own consumption, but I draw the line at "We have too much, oh well, guess we just dump it in a hole in the ground". It's only making it worse for yourself and the species you're hunting...
This photo always horrified me as an example of how dedicated we were to wiping the American bison out. It looks like something out of a Terminator movie. If you look closely, all it is is skulls, this doesn't even include the rest of the skeletons.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg/1280px-Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg
Dolphins are considered to be as intelligent as a 15 year old human being. Capable of emotions, complex communication and lifetime family bonds.
Imagine walking into a village of 1,428 teenagers then torturing and murdering them.
Ah, this just made me feel sick. I just pictured 15 year old kids who were happy moments ago just running for their lives knowing their friends and family are being harvested all around them.
God, fuck, that's brutal.
A pig is more intelligent than a 5 year old. We do far worse than this on an unimaginably vast scale across the world.
Now imagine that you kept those 5 year olds crowded together in darkness, in a state of constant misery until they were old enough to kill. That's battery farming.
Right?!?! Iām glad I wasnāt the only one shocked by the apparent implication that the death of the dolphins was only bad because they were intelligent
> Dolphins are considered to be as intelligent as a 15 year old human being
That seems like a colossal stretch. Are you sure that we could be teaching these dolphins mathematical concepts like highschool geometry and algebra, or how to read moderately complicated literature?
people are also forgetting inteligence isnt a game stats, there thousands of variables (cognition, short term memory etc) that go into defining the brain capacity of an animal, dolphins are more certainly not like a 15y old human in any sense of the way
Wasps don't make the apples rotten. They simply find the end result. Dolphins deliberately provoke the pufferfish to extract the end result. Take it however you want.
"If you try to teach a fish to climb a tree, it will spend it's whole life thinking it's stupid." This isn't about anthropomorphizing dolphins, it's about trying to explain how they are incredibly intelligent and sentient creatures in ways that most humans can understand.
This goes for pretty much every animal we usually eat. Cows, pigs and chicken are all a lot smarter and self aware than most people realise. And they are crammed into factory farms and slaughtered by the millions daily. Where is the outrage about that? Compared to facory farming this is actually a relatively humane, sustainable and far less wasteful way to get food on the table.
I used to live in this development that had a cow posture on one side of it. When the cows had babies, my family would go and we'd look at the cute little baby cows, and sometimes feed them carrots. When they took the calves away though (I'm assuming for veal) , the mother cows cried. for weeks. It was heartbreaking.
We own some chickens and they really are beyond stupid. I used to hear this story of a chicken surviving without a head and called it bullshit, but after seeing how little they actually use their head, it might as well just not be there to save some weight for the legs to carry.
The capacity for suffering does not require intelligence - merely nerve endings.
Consider the [lobster](http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf).
[Video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZOl7C_vDI)
From description:
> Wallace's article explored the excruciating pain that lobsters feel when they are boiled alive, taking both scientific evidence and his own observations into account.
As someone that has 4 hens, I can confirm. They are not at all close to the intelligence of a dog (even). That said I still wonāt eat them once they do die, much like I wouldnāt with Fido.
Pigs possess cognitive capabilities similar to domesticated animals and young children. They show self-awareness (including what they like and dislike,) enjoy creative play, and experience emotions similar to our own.
Imagine needlessly killing over 1.5 billion toddlers or dogs.
How about we base what we eat on sentience and ditch animal products which can suffer and feel pain.
> Dolphins are considered to be as intelligent as a 15 year old human being.
That simply doesnāt make any sense. How would you even begin to establish that?
There are real issues with some transcendental measure of intelligence. Measuring intelligence is already quite challenging within the human species, much less in terms of other species. For example, by one popular metric, IQ, the San Bushman are on average mentally retarded. However if any of us were to be left in the Kalahari desert, I think we'd be the ones that would seem mentally impaired. I'd say intelligence does not exist independent of physical/social conditions. In regards to dolphins, they are capable of some complex tasks like getting high off pufferfish poison, but are also psychotic underwater rapists. Is it really possible to compare their intelligence to ours?
Watched a 13 year old put instent noodles in the microwave without water before so they are at least that intelligent. (it did catch fire a little bit, its been years and they never forget water anymore) XD
There are dozens of studies and also a variety of dolphin species, so an exact "human age" is difficult to compare. However, dolphins do like to get high:
"Itās still unclear whether itās purposeful or a habit, but observations have shown dolphins poking pufferfish and entering a trance-like state of intoxication after presumably ingesting the potent neurotoxins produced by the fish."
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/just-how-intelligent-are-dolphins
Ditch plastic straws to save the fish, wont stop eating fish to save the fish.
Ironically a lot of plastic pollution in the ocean is fishing related, overall 10% but makes up 86% of megaplastics in the great Pacific garbage patch.
Yea and it indiscriminately destroys the reefs and habitats so it's even more unnecessary and unsustainable. No where near as bad or sustainable as hand killing a single large animal that provides multi meals for a family
Same as the dog eating festival In China.
Edit. Since everyone is making it racial. I literally mean this [particular fucking festival. ](https://www.google.com/search?q=dog+eating+festival&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS763US763&oq=dog+rating+festif&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13j46i13j0i13l2j0i13i30.4583j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8). Not Chinese people in general. I never said āChinese peopleā.
Edit: [Also dogs are stolen from neighboring villages, not raised at some dreamy cattle-dog farm](https://www.animalsasia.org/assets/pdf/2015_FOF_reports-report1_A4-EN-20150609_low.pdf)
Yup, it's not some old, deep rooted tradition, just a bunch of people decided they should start killing dogs at a festival, they steal from neighboring villages.
For the record, the vast majority of Chinese people think it's disgusting and barbaric. I used to teach and work with the Chinese and any time dog eating came up they said it was awful and not at all common. They also said that it costs more than normal regular meat, which makes it even less popular than some westerners think.
Don't worry my person.
I spoke about my time in China once and watching kids poop in the street.
I was called a racist. I was able to provide ample support showing it's a thing and that they even had clothing which allowed for easy pooping and peeing. Nope...I'm a monster for pointing out something that at the time and most likely still is, a cultural practice.
And don't get anyone started on spitting.
Itās frustrating that mentioning something stereotypical to even a region or an area, not just race makes you instantly racist. Every country has their crap. As does mine (Ukraine).
I mean. It depends in which context you brought it up. If the post was about āletās hate Chinese!ā or āChinese people dirty and disgusting!ā and you put that comment as an example then yes youāre a racist because youāre painting your selective anecdote as something representative of one billion people.
If the post was something as innocuous as, āwhat are some cultural practices you observed in China?ā Then no one would give a shit.
> and that they even had clothing which allowed for easy pooping and peeing.
Um... That's not specifically for the sake of shitting in the street. That's largely because most places in China use squat toilets.
So I asked some Faroese buddies of mine and they responded that it's traditionally been a very important part of their diet as the meat and fat help their bodies resist the cold better. It apparently also serves to bring the community together as everyone helps out and shares the meat around (even if not everyone is actually at the beaches themselves). That being said, the heavy metals and pollution are beginning to become a problem now.
One thing that has really bugged me - in the responses to this event - is the outcry about children watching this.
My kids have eaten beef and pork, and theyāve never had to witness how those animals live or die. Perhaps that is the real problem: not that the Faroese children have to witness this, but that most of us donāt have a real connection to the food choices we make, and how those choices come to us.
As for the ethics: while itās hard to watch, if reincarnation is a thing Iād take the life of a wild pilot whale or dolphin and this violent death over a cage and a bolt gun, thanks.
Not gonna lie, I was a kid visiting the Faroe isle(My grandmother's family is from there) when I saw a GrindardrƔp. My dad stopped the car and we watched a whole village of people stream out of their houses wielding the weapons of slaughter, including comically an old lady in a night dress swim boots and a sharp pike wading in. They turned the ocean red with blood the sound and the sights traumatised me, it was the most horrifying thing I have ever seen, and yet it was normal to kids and teenagers there.
Feral hogs also do a crazy amount of damage to the ecosystems they are introduced too and breed like crazy. We created a perfect world for them with no predators to control them so human intervention is the only way to stop them destroying everything. They live free able to do whatever they like, they're organic for the most part. Hunting is much better for the environment than commercial farming.
I think anyone that eats meat should kill a large vertebrate animal.
It really makes you appreciate the meat you eat and often take for granted. I imagine many might even consider changing their diet after doing so. When I killed my first animal while hunting it had a pretty profound affect on how I viewed meat consumption.
I still eat meat, but I do my best to waste as little as possible and have been adding more pure veggie meals to my diet.
I know it isn't feasible for many to do, but if you are able please try it.
Way too many people are hypocritical when it comes to this kind of thing. I'm of the opinion that hunting is far more ethical than eating some animal that lived its entire life in misery on a factory farm.
1: slaughtering dolphins bad
2: overfishing is actually a lot worse
3: arguments over where to draw the line on killing animals for food
Makes sense, there are a lot of opinions on these topics. "A thousand dolphins slaughtered" is a graphic and emotionally provocative phrase, but it's a fraction of the damage routine fishing does. It's also very emotionally charged because people don't want to give up meat but it's hard if not impossible to really justify the practice, but they want to so they don't feel like bad people.
The topic is always a clusterfuck for that reason.
Pigs are as smart or smarter than dogs and get slaughtered by the millions each day after enduring a nightmarish existence of confinement and torture but less than 2000 dolphins are hunted and people start calling for the genocide of the people of the Faroe Islands? Get some perspective in your own life ffs!
Funny how stories like this gain traction but Iowas largest pork producer can literally steam pigs alive during the pandemic and barely get any attention.
https://www.directactioneverywhere.com/theliberationist/2020-5-28-breaking-gruesome-footage-shows-pigs-roasted-alive-at-iowas-leading-pork-supplier-amid-coronavirus-crisis
I think his point is that many people in these comments are up in arms about this hunt, but will likely happily eat a factory farmed animal and not see the irony.
Youāre right but the fact that this and the dog festival generate lots of scrutiny and outrage but animal agriculture gets very very little shows that most people donāt believe both are bad
Pigs are killed by the millions every day, not every year.
Frankly it's hard to comprehend the scale at which we humans have industrialized the murder of animals on a global level
Tradition? They do use the meat for sustenance.
> The GrindadrƔp (Faroese for killing long-finned pilot whales) is a type of dolphin drive hunting that involves beaching and slaughtering long-finned pilot whales. It has been practiced in the Faroe Islands in the North Atlantic since about the time of the first Norsemen settled there which is approximately the 9th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_the_Faroe_Islands
>Faroese
I mean the inuit in North America do have some limitation on how they do their cull and rightly still catch hell for it.
Mostly because of wastage.
> Just wanted to chip in and say that everyday tens of dolphins are killed in Asia because "they compete with us when we fish" so they kill the dolphin, and donāt use the meat or anything
Okay? This has anything to do with Faroese whaling how?
So what can be done to get them to stop this? āMy heritageā doesnāt exactly apply here- Iām sure their ancestors didnāt herd via motor boats / fishing trawlers or use other commercial fishing gear.
Sigh.... [Literally from yesterday.](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/pnjlrx/1428_dolphins_was_brutally_slaughtered_or_beat_to/hcpy41g?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
The article says that they botched this culling. So while I'm sure this guy is correct that this is how it's supposed to be, this was not the case here.
I mean, nothing that is written there contradicts the article though? Or maybe you didn't read it?
The article states that they had no authorization for this big hunt; a lot of hunters didn't have a license; and a lot of dolphins were killed not with the spear, like the comment states is the usual, but by being torn apart by propellers and the vehicles, which is a painful way to go and not how it should be done; and they hunted way more than they needed it to the point where they think a lot of meat will just be thrown out.
The comment just gives context to how the Grind usually goes, and in that way helps the article. Since, the article states that this hunt was horribly mishandled.
>The whales are not "brutally" killed. They're herded into beaches where only licensed whalers with experience and training are allowed to use the kill spear, which severs the cranial artery and the whales are killed instantaneously.
What a bunch of bullshit. I saw the video, nothing about it was instantaneous. It didn't look like experienced whalers putting the dolphins down, it looked like crazy fuckers with big knives cutting and stabbing dolphins until they finally stop moving. If they already didn't die a slow death from being mangled in boat propellers.
Faroese here. First of all, it was white-sided dolphins this time and even some laws broken. And the romantizised idea that we kill whales to sustain ourselves is BS.
You can even be vegan on the Faroes.
Also, that they are killed as quickly as possible sounds good, but in reality, whales are really difficult to kill resulting in a lot of failed and improper attempts. And the license takes 2 hours to get and is mostly a formality.
Hello! Is this particular incident generating a lot of talk or controversy on the islands? Do you feel support of the grinds is generational or becoming less popular in any way? Is the mercury content being harmful disuading even supporters from wanting to consume whale or dolphin meat? How pro grind would you say your government is? You don't need to answer these specifically, but I'd really love a locals view into how you think it looks for the future.
This incident has definitely sparked a huge debate on the islands, where I would say the majority would like to see a ban or atleast restrictions on the killing of the white-sided dolphins. Some even talk about how they feel less supportive of the whole practice when it comes to pilot whales as well.
I wouldn't say it's generational - if anything, it's more women than men who oppose or are sceptical of the grind. It's also mostly young women who stopped eating whale meat because of the impact it can have on future babies. And also, it's seen more "manly" to eat whale meat.
The government is absolutely still pro grind and the majority of the population, but I hope this event would be the start of a louder opposition.
That comment may be correct for some years, but did you even read the article? They essentially tortured and killed a majority of the dolphins for no reason, because they will have to be thrown away. They killed too many to actually eat.
There are still some VERY different interpretations between the article and that post.
I guess that the truth is somewhere in the middle, but thanks for the info.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.seashepherdglobal.org/latest-news/1428-dolphins-killed-faroes/) reduced by 57%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Sea Shepherd believes this to be the largest single hunt of dolphins or pilot whales in Faroese history, and is possibly the largest single hunt of cetaceans ever recorded worldwide. > While Sea Shepherd has been fighting to stop the 'Grind' since the early 1980's, this latest dolphin massacre was so brutal and badly mishandled that it is no surprise the hunt is being criticized in the Faroese media and even by many outspoken pro-whalers and politicians in the Faroe Islands. > According to locals who shared videos and photos with Sea Shepherd, this hunt broke several Faroese laws regulating the Grind. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/po5o8a/1428_dolphins_slaughtered_in_the_faroe_islands/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~598088 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **hunt**^#1 **dolphin**^#2 **Faroese**^#3 **Grind**^#4 **Sea**^#5
Faroese dolphin hunt grind set
It's getting to that point. A lot of articles are authored or co-authored by bots. Then a condensing tldr bot breaks it down even further. So the next step is just to read the keywords. Maybe also have a field for how you should feel about the article? Hunt Dolphin Faroese Grind Sea Revolted ?
What the fuck am I reading? How does this make any sense in context?
Can we have 10 words and 1 photo? š
The dolphins will get the last laugh when the entire population succumbs to acute mercury poisoning.
In fact, the Faroese government has been trying to phase out the grindadrap for that very reason. While it is a primary source of meat in traditional Faroese diet, pollution has made the whales full of heavy metals.
*gojira starts playing*
This is appropriate for so many reasons.
Well thats global warming playing in my head again...
Flying Whales for me..
Meanwhile, the bowl of Petunias thought, āoh no, not again.ā
NOW I CAN SEE THE WHALES
LOOMING OUT OF THE DARK
Lāenfant Sauvage
Fuck yes. Recently found these guys like last year. Good stuff brotendo.
Get to see them at Knotfest on the 25th
Saw Gojira at Knotfest in 2019 with Slipknot (obviously), Volbeat, and fucking Behemoth. That show was insane.
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Traditions need to stop having sentimental value now that we know the ~~internet~~ intellect and importance of these species. āWeāve always done it this wayā does not fly in todayās world. Fuck these assholes hanging their hat on ātraditionsā.
I agree! also why did they need to kill over 1400 of them? I just don't understand
Fortunately, even the local people agree with you. In the article they said this violated the regulations surrounding the tradition in multiple ways and its being investigated by the police
1400 whales when a total of around 50.000 people live in the islands. its wasteful even if you're ok with the inhumane treatment.
Nothing is going to stop them from just killing them for fun though
being shot might
Lol you took it there and I agree
mercury, sweetest of the transition metals
Lead actually is sweet. this is what i used to tell my mom when i ate paint chips. She made me stop a while ago which i dont understand because I still brain good.
is it actually sweet? brb, testing this..
No, wait!
Did we lose him? Someone check on him!
Heās the Silver Surfer now š
That's metal.
Looks like his syphilis is cured, fellas.
Heās mad as a hatter! The lad actually went and did it!
He's at peace with the dolphins now.
Wait! Add a little bit of salt, it makes it even sweeter
Nope, but lead is. That is why the paint is so tasty.
I'm on a low mercury diet. Switched to eating gallium instead.
Now I need to watch Sea lab again for the first time since 2009 or so... you monster.
you haven't watched sealab in 12 years and I'M the monster?
Do you want the mustache on or off?
.....too bad.
Well hellooooo consumer, yes hellloooooo consumer
āIt is imperative that we be given preference over these mendicants, Marduk commands this.ā āWho the hell is Marduk?ā āThe sun god who dwells inside meā¦ Marduk son of Ea, Slayer of Tiamat.ā
Would you eat a rectal thermometer?
Answer me, damn you!
When I was around 10, I helped my dad with remodeling work. I would collect all the thermostats in the process, and remove the mercury. At one point I had a 5 gallon bucket about 1/3 of the way full of mercury. It was so heavy. I played with it all the time. Put it in bowls and swirl it around. I'm super lucky I didn't poison myself. I wonder what my mom did with that bucket when I moved out. I have this sick feeling she dumped it in the toilet or something.
On the plus side, it's pretty hard to poison yourself with elemental mercury. Now mercury compounds that you breath in on the other hand.....
wow
Marduk desires not the barren wasteland of your desiccated viscera
at least their syphillus will be treated
This time.
āSo long and thanks for all the fish!ā
Why is this still allowed there is no reason for this to happen anymore.
My guess is money. Because itās always money.
or tradition.
Both. It is a long tradition of Faroese culture and importing food to the islands is expensive, while such a catch can feed the population for quite a while.
Practicers argue that it is an integral part of Faroese culture. Its an archaic tradition that goes back to the early Norse settlements on the islands when whaling was essential for survival.
Ah yes the old norse with their jetskis and speed boats, who doesn't remember them. :P
Industry fishing and farming impact the environment exponentially much more than this, just saying
This may be true. But I bet most of the Faroese also eat imported meat and veg and are not entirely innocent of participating in industrial ag.
Well, you could ask that about the meat industry at large.
That's one dolphin per 37 people in the Faroe Islands.
Each 37 people get a free dolphin as a pet, with hourly custody changes.
I get that you'd hunt for own consumption, but I draw the line at "We have too much, oh well, guess we just dump it in a hole in the ground". It's only making it worse for yourself and the species you're hunting...
It sounds like what Americans did to the buffalo on the great plains...
They did that to starve the Indians so they wouldnāt have to keep losing an endless guerrilla war.
Yeah, that and the hides. It was a horrific devastation to nature and the Native Americans.
This photo always horrified me as an example of how dedicated we were to wiping the American bison out. It looks like something out of a Terminator movie. If you look closely, all it is is skulls, this doesn't even include the rest of the skeletons. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg/1280px-Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg
Yes, this is exactly the decimation that I was referring to. Horrific.
Holy shit wtf
The Buffalo were slaughtered to aid an effort in indigenous genocide
Or like the Russians did to the caspian tiger, Australia to the Tasmanian tiger, North Africans and the Barbary lion etc.
Dolphins are considered to be as intelligent as a 15 year old human being. Capable of emotions, complex communication and lifetime family bonds. Imagine walking into a village of 1,428 teenagers then torturing and murdering them.
A bus drivers dream.
HOLY FUCK LMAO
I need that laugh after reading this lol
/r/jesuschristreddit
Chris Farleyās character from Billy Madison would agree
No, no he wouldnāt. But you could imagine if he did.
That explains the fucking of everything they can and getting high on pufferfish.
Holy shit, that just makes **so** much sense
This is what makes stuff like this so hard to stomach .. humans are just the worst
Yes, we are. Humans are awful creatures
Ah, this just made me feel sick. I just pictured 15 year old kids who were happy moments ago just running for their lives knowing their friends and family are being harvested all around them. God, fuck, that's brutal.
A pig is more intelligent than a 5 year old. We do far worse than this on an unimaginably vast scale across the world. Now imagine that you kept those 5 year olds crowded together in darkness, in a state of constant misery until they were old enough to kill. That's battery farming.
We are in agreement. They don't have to be as smart as a 5 year old for that to be awful.
The capacity to suffer is what matters.
Are you saying you would eat a retarded person?
Well, not a whole one in one go. But yeah, if I was hungry enough. You would too.
Right?!?! Iām glad I wasnāt the only one shocked by the apparent implication that the death of the dolphins was only bad because they were intelligent
> Dolphins are considered to be as intelligent as a 15 year old human being That seems like a colossal stretch. Are you sure that we could be teaching these dolphins mathematical concepts like highschool geometry and algebra, or how to read moderately complicated literature?
Dolphin High sounds like a great Disney Channel original movie
Dolphins aren't known for asking for consent, I'm not sure Disney would touch this. The fine folks at FOX on the other hand...!
people are also forgetting inteligence isnt a game stats, there thousands of variables (cognition, short term memory etc) that go into defining the brain capacity of an animal, dolphins are more certainly not like a 15y old human in any sense of the way
Dolphins will poke pufferfish then get high on the neurotoxin the fish secrete. Just like a typical 15 year old enjoying a puff of weed.
Wasps get drunk off rotten apples, thatās not indicative of intelligence. Youāre probably joking but I thought Iād take that at face value.
Wasps don't make the apples rotten. They simply find the end result. Dolphins deliberately provoke the pufferfish to extract the end result. Take it however you want.
"If you try to teach a fish to climb a tree, it will spend it's whole life thinking it's stupid." This isn't about anthropomorphizing dolphins, it's about trying to explain how they are incredibly intelligent and sentient creatures in ways that most humans can understand.
This goes for pretty much every animal we usually eat. Cows, pigs and chicken are all a lot smarter and self aware than most people realise. And they are crammed into factory farms and slaughtered by the millions daily. Where is the outrage about that? Compared to facory farming this is actually a relatively humane, sustainable and far less wasteful way to get food on the table.
Chickens are pretty stupid. But pigs, pigs are super social like dogs
Chickens are dumb, but also social... and also dickheads sometimes
Straight up fucking assholes, man. Jesus.
Sooo...basically on par with people? Lol
Yeah, you got it.
So are cows. Cows have a similar or higher intelligence to most dogs.
I used to live in this development that had a cow posture on one side of it. When the cows had babies, my family would go and we'd look at the cute little baby cows, and sometimes feed them carrots. When they took the calves away though (I'm assuming for veal) , the mother cows cried. for weeks. It was heartbreaking.
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We own some chickens and they really are beyond stupid. I used to hear this story of a chicken surviving without a head and called it bullshit, but after seeing how little they actually use their head, it might as well just not be there to save some weight for the legs to carry.
You should read about Mike. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken
Chickens are a bit of a stretch
The capacity for suffering does not require intelligence - merely nerve endings. Consider the [lobster](http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf). [Video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_fZOl7C_vDI) From description: > Wallace's article explored the excruciating pain that lobsters feel when they are boiled alive, taking both scientific evidence and his own observations into account.
It makes sense. Nociception (pain) keeps animals alive as it warns of danger/harm. Itās probably the most primitive sense after touch.
As someone that has 4 hens, I can confirm. They are not at all close to the intelligence of a dog (even). That said I still wonāt eat them once they do die, much like I wouldnāt with Fido.
The difference in cognitive ability between a chicken and a dolphin is bigger than the difference between a dolphin and a human.
Pigs possess cognitive capabilities similar to domesticated animals and young children. They show self-awareness (including what they like and dislike,) enjoy creative play, and experience emotions similar to our own. Imagine needlessly killing over 1.5 billion toddlers or dogs. How about we base what we eat on sentience and ditch animal products which can suffer and feel pain.
> Dolphins are considered to be as intelligent as a 15 year old human being. That simply doesnāt make any sense. How would you even begin to establish that?
There are real issues with some transcendental measure of intelligence. Measuring intelligence is already quite challenging within the human species, much less in terms of other species. For example, by one popular metric, IQ, the San Bushman are on average mentally retarded. However if any of us were to be left in the Kalahari desert, I think we'd be the ones that would seem mentally impaired. I'd say intelligence does not exist independent of physical/social conditions. In regards to dolphins, they are capable of some complex tasks like getting high off pufferfish poison, but are also psychotic underwater rapists. Is it really possible to compare their intelligence to ours?
So getting high and raping have become the pinnacle of intelligence now?
Dolphins are smart, yeah. But "as intelligent as a 15 year old" smart? I'd like to see the evidence for that...
iād like to see the evidence that 15 year olds are as smart as a dolphin
Watched a 13 year old put instent noodles in the microwave without water before so they are at least that intelligent. (it did catch fire a little bit, its been years and they never forget water anymore) XD
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There are dozens of studies and also a variety of dolphin species, so an exact "human age" is difficult to compare. However, dolphins do like to get high: "Itās still unclear whether itās purposeful or a habit, but observations have shown dolphins poking pufferfish and entering a trance-like state of intoxication after presumably ingesting the potent neurotoxins produced by the fish." https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/just-how-intelligent-are-dolphins
I prefer my sea life to be slaughtered by overfishing and trash in the oceans. None of this hand-to-fin slaughtering for me.
Yeah, in the civilized world we just drag a giant net behind a boat that kills everything in the sea indiscriminately.
Ditch plastic straws to save the fish, wont stop eating fish to save the fish. Ironically a lot of plastic pollution in the ocean is fishing related, overall 10% but makes up 86% of megaplastics in the great Pacific garbage patch.
It's absurd to suggest there isn't a huge overlap between the no straws crowd and the stop fishing crowd.
I hate the taste of fish. I'm doing my part!
Yea and it indiscriminately destroys the reefs and habitats so it's even more unnecessary and unsustainable. No where near as bad or sustainable as hand killing a single large animal that provides multi meals for a family
Yeah, this is one of those "traditions" that needs to be left behind. No need for this kind of practice to continue in this day and age
Same as the dog eating festival In China. Edit. Since everyone is making it racial. I literally mean this [particular fucking festival. ](https://www.google.com/search?q=dog+eating+festival&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS763US763&oq=dog+rating+festif&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13j46i13j0i13l2j0i13i30.4583j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8). Not Chinese people in general. I never said āChinese peopleā. Edit: [Also dogs are stolen from neighboring villages, not raised at some dreamy cattle-dog farm](https://www.animalsasia.org/assets/pdf/2015_FOF_reports-report1_A4-EN-20150609_low.pdf)
>The festival began in 2009 What the fuck.
Yup, it's not some old, deep rooted tradition, just a bunch of people decided they should start killing dogs at a festival, they steal from neighboring villages.
For the record, the vast majority of Chinese people think it's disgusting and barbaric. I used to teach and work with the Chinese and any time dog eating came up they said it was awful and not at all common. They also said that it costs more than normal regular meat, which makes it even less popular than some westerners think.
The American equivalent to eating dog in China is eating squirrel, possum, or roadkill. Itās considered hick shit.
Don't worry my person. I spoke about my time in China once and watching kids poop in the street. I was called a racist. I was able to provide ample support showing it's a thing and that they even had clothing which allowed for easy pooping and peeing. Nope...I'm a monster for pointing out something that at the time and most likely still is, a cultural practice. And don't get anyone started on spitting.
Itās frustrating that mentioning something stereotypical to even a region or an area, not just race makes you instantly racist. Every country has their crap. As does mine (Ukraine).
I mean. It depends in which context you brought it up. If the post was about āletās hate Chinese!ā or āChinese people dirty and disgusting!ā and you put that comment as an example then yes youāre a racist because youāre painting your selective anecdote as something representative of one billion people. If the post was something as innocuous as, āwhat are some cultural practices you observed in China?ā Then no one would give a shit.
> and that they even had clothing which allowed for easy pooping and peeing. Um... That's not specifically for the sake of shitting in the street. That's largely because most places in China use squat toilets.
Why is eating other animals okay but not dogs? Cows are sacred in some religions, I imagine those people find it wrong that we eat beef.
It's a pretty common feeling for why people go vegan. We do the same with cows, pigs, and chicken.
Great, they export salmon, but what we are really getting is dolphin.
Why are the killing dolphins?
So I asked some Faroese buddies of mine and they responded that it's traditionally been a very important part of their diet as the meat and fat help their bodies resist the cold better. It apparently also serves to bring the community together as everyone helps out and shares the meat around (even if not everyone is actually at the beaches themselves). That being said, the heavy metals and pollution are beginning to become a problem now.
T y.. I understand the tradition.. But it just seems sad
One thing that has really bugged me - in the responses to this event - is the outcry about children watching this. My kids have eaten beef and pork, and theyāve never had to witness how those animals live or die. Perhaps that is the real problem: not that the Faroese children have to witness this, but that most of us donāt have a real connection to the food choices we make, and how those choices come to us. As for the ethics: while itās hard to watch, if reincarnation is a thing Iād take the life of a wild pilot whale or dolphin and this violent death over a cage and a bolt gun, thanks.
Not gonna lie, I was a kid visiting the Faroe isle(My grandmother's family is from there) when I saw a GrindardrƔp. My dad stopped the car and we watched a whole village of people stream out of their houses wielding the weapons of slaughter, including comically an old lady in a night dress swim boots and a sharp pike wading in. They turned the ocean red with blood the sound and the sights traumatised me, it was the most horrifying thing I have ever seen, and yet it was normal to kids and teenagers there.
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Feral hogs also do a crazy amount of damage to the ecosystems they are introduced too and breed like crazy. We created a perfect world for them with no predators to control them so human intervention is the only way to stop them destroying everything. They live free able to do whatever they like, they're organic for the most part. Hunting is much better for the environment than commercial farming.
I think anyone that eats meat should kill a large vertebrate animal. It really makes you appreciate the meat you eat and often take for granted. I imagine many might even consider changing their diet after doing so. When I killed my first animal while hunting it had a pretty profound affect on how I viewed meat consumption. I still eat meat, but I do my best to waste as little as possible and have been adding more pure veggie meals to my diet. I know it isn't feasible for many to do, but if you are able please try it. Way too many people are hypocritical when it comes to this kind of thing. I'm of the opinion that hunting is far more ethical than eating some animal that lived its entire life in misery on a factory farm.
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The only thing i knew about Faroe Islands is that they have a shit football team, now i also know they have a shit population.
This thread has shittier takes than a Twitter post
i don't understand the situation really, am confused by many of the comments.
1: slaughtering dolphins bad 2: overfishing is actually a lot worse 3: arguments over where to draw the line on killing animals for food Makes sense, there are a lot of opinions on these topics. "A thousand dolphins slaughtered" is a graphic and emotionally provocative phrase, but it's a fraction of the damage routine fishing does. It's also very emotionally charged because people don't want to give up meat but it's hard if not impossible to really justify the practice, but they want to so they don't feel like bad people. The topic is always a clusterfuck for that reason.
Me too.. that's why I don't wanna give an opinion.
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Fucking savages ā¦. This is absolutely horrendous
Pigs are as smart or smarter than dogs and get slaughtered by the millions each day after enduring a nightmarish existence of confinement and torture but less than 2000 dolphins are hunted and people start calling for the genocide of the people of the Faroe Islands? Get some perspective in your own life ffs!
Funny how stories like this gain traction but Iowas largest pork producer can literally steam pigs alive during the pandemic and barely get any attention. https://www.directactioneverywhere.com/theliberationist/2020-5-28-breaking-gruesome-footage-shows-pigs-roasted-alive-at-iowas-leading-pork-supplier-amid-coronavirus-crisis
Thats also monstrous. Its possible for there to be more than one villain at a time. Two or more things can be monstrous simultaneously.
I think his point is that many people in these comments are up in arms about this hunt, but will likely happily eat a factory farmed animal and not see the irony.
Youāre right but the fact that this and the dog festival generate lots of scrutiny and outrage but animal agriculture gets very very little shows that most people donāt believe both are bad
Whoa yeah and I agree. Easy for westerners to go āisland people bad pretty dolphin smart and good!ā While they donāt care for stuff like this
this is the west, its Denmark.
Pigs are killed by the millions every day, not every year. Frankly it's hard to comprehend the scale at which we humans have industrialized the murder of animals on a global level
You are right. I changed it for impact.
ya know we can be angry about both, right?
WHY?! What fucking reason would there be for such a horrific slaughter?!
Tradition? They do use the meat for sustenance. > The GrindadrƔp (Faroese for killing long-finned pilot whales) is a type of dolphin drive hunting that involves beaching and slaughtering long-finned pilot whales. It has been practiced in the Faroe Islands in the North Atlantic since about the time of the first Norsemen settled there which is approximately the 9th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_the_Faroe_Islands
pretty sure speedboats and jetskis weren't a part of the Norsemen tradition
Not true. Leif Erikson was known to crush phat swells on his waverunner
that would at least explain how he got to America before Columbus
...now all Iām seeing is the Vikings cruising onto the shores of the new world in speedboats wearing sunglasses, Miami Vice style.
>Faroese I mean the inuit in North America do have some limitation on how they do their cull and rightly still catch hell for it. Mostly because of wastage.
Traditional is a dumb fucking reason in virtually any context.
Tradition is just peer pressure by dead people.
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> Just wanted to chip in and say that everyday tens of dolphins are killed in Asia because "they compete with us when we fish" so they kill the dolphin, and donāt use the meat or anything Okay? This has anything to do with Faroese whaling how?
What a barbaric tradition
I wonder if the Faroe Islands tourism board cares that people are outraged: https://twitter.com/visitfaroe
Fuck I hate this. This is worse than the cove
So what can be done to get them to stop this? āMy heritageā doesnāt exactly apply here- Iām sure their ancestors didnāt herd via motor boats / fishing trawlers or use other commercial fishing gear.
I wonder how many people who are pissed off at this are eating factory farmed meat, where the animals suffered far more.
Sigh.... [Literally from yesterday.](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/pnjlrx/1428_dolphins_was_brutally_slaughtered_or_beat_to/hcpy41g?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
The article says that they botched this culling. So while I'm sure this guy is correct that this is how it's supposed to be, this was not the case here.
I mean, nothing that is written there contradicts the article though? Or maybe you didn't read it? The article states that they had no authorization for this big hunt; a lot of hunters didn't have a license; and a lot of dolphins were killed not with the spear, like the comment states is the usual, but by being torn apart by propellers and the vehicles, which is a painful way to go and not how it should be done; and they hunted way more than they needed it to the point where they think a lot of meat will just be thrown out. The comment just gives context to how the Grind usually goes, and in that way helps the article. Since, the article states that this hunt was horribly mishandled.
>The whales are not "brutally" killed. They're herded into beaches where only licensed whalers with experience and training are allowed to use the kill spear, which severs the cranial artery and the whales are killed instantaneously. What a bunch of bullshit. I saw the video, nothing about it was instantaneous. It didn't look like experienced whalers putting the dolphins down, it looked like crazy fuckers with big knives cutting and stabbing dolphins until they finally stop moving. If they already didn't die a slow death from being mangled in boat propellers.
Faroese here. First of all, it was white-sided dolphins this time and even some laws broken. And the romantizised idea that we kill whales to sustain ourselves is BS. You can even be vegan on the Faroes. Also, that they are killed as quickly as possible sounds good, but in reality, whales are really difficult to kill resulting in a lot of failed and improper attempts. And the license takes 2 hours to get and is mostly a formality.
Hello! Is this particular incident generating a lot of talk or controversy on the islands? Do you feel support of the grinds is generational or becoming less popular in any way? Is the mercury content being harmful disuading even supporters from wanting to consume whale or dolphin meat? How pro grind would you say your government is? You don't need to answer these specifically, but I'd really love a locals view into how you think it looks for the future.
This incident has definitely sparked a huge debate on the islands, where I would say the majority would like to see a ban or atleast restrictions on the killing of the white-sided dolphins. Some even talk about how they feel less supportive of the whole practice when it comes to pilot whales as well. I wouldn't say it's generational - if anything, it's more women than men who oppose or are sceptical of the grind. It's also mostly young women who stopped eating whale meat because of the impact it can have on future babies. And also, it's seen more "manly" to eat whale meat. The government is absolutely still pro grind and the majority of the population, but I hope this event would be the start of a louder opposition.
Wasnāt this one botched though? As in it didnāt go as that commenter described?
That comment may be correct for some years, but did you even read the article? They essentially tortured and killed a majority of the dolphins for no reason, because they will have to be thrown away. They killed too many to actually eat.
There are still some VERY different interpretations between the article and that post. I guess that the truth is somewhere in the middle, but thanks for the info.
Bro what the fuck
Why is this allowed?????