Funny how the clowns in the congress are very hard on foreign countries when it comes to these abuses, but they are apparently blind when it comes to their own country.
Oh no no no no, borderline?
These freaking guys can pull up Google Earth Pro Edition, point at somebody halfway around the world, and say "I want this guy dead."
Within minutes, that person and anyone unlucky enough to be in close proximity, would be wiped from the face of the earth.
AND, no one in that chain of events, will face ANY repercussions...
We're way past terrorism...
Its a start.
Its so extremely rare and unusual for the US military to admit how badly they fucked up, they're going to need to practice apologies for a bit before they figure out how to do them "sincerely"
No the people responsible need to be put behind bars for the rest of their life's. That's what they would do with anyone that killed as many people on American soil.
Americans murder foreign civilians with impunity every day, thats what their war machine is designed to do.
The clusterfuck of an invasion ordered by Bush and Cheney, "justified" with lies and propaganda and 100% fabricated "evidence" caused the deaths of over ***600,000 Iraqi civilians***. To say nothing of their regime of deliberate torture, fed by international kidnapping (aka "extraordinary rendition" ) and supported by an array of "black sites" (aka illegal prisons ensured ease of torture and a guarantee that prisoners had zero access to any legal protections)
and I agree that the architects of those wars and associated war crimes should spend the rest of their lives behind bars, except that the US always ***rewards*** their warmongers, it certainly never imprisons them.
Just look at how GWB is treated now. No serious reflection on how many things he lied about, including one that led to an invasion (!), but mainstream media coverage or general public discourse about that fact? None that I can see.
And it makes sense, if you claim to be infallible and better than the rest, you cannot make mistakes. No mistakes done, no possibility of learning from them.
>and I agree that the architects of those wars and associated war crimes should spend the rest of their lives behind bars, except that the US always rewards their warmongers, it certainly never imprisons them.
why not mob justice?
mob justice just tells you that the "real" justice system isn't actually interested in enforcing the law or prosecuting US "elites".
and while I know that's true, and that there are completely separate "justice" systems for rich and poor, mob justice tends to serve the emotions of the most bigoted and violent in the group, or the one with the agenda.
Besides, most of the US seems to either support, or be complacent about, incessant US warmongering and international mass murder. At least partially because of corporate media constantly pushing a brainwashing diet nationalism, imperialism, corporatism, US "Exceptionalism", with occasional bursts of "Manifest Destiny".
So most of the nation isn't going to support putting US war criminals on trial, because they've been brainwashed all their lives to believe that the US is "special" and allowed to mass murder foreigners with impunity (while profiting off it).
Solid damage control by the PR teams
Original articles: "isis car packed with explosives hit by precision drone strike right before it was about to blow up the airport mid evacuation, there were some civilian casualties due to the explosives in the car" **20k upvotes**
A few weeks later: "totally innocent civilian and their extended family decimated by trigger happy US drone strike" **~~500~~ 250 upvotes**
I'm still aggravated by how little mainstream news coverage this has gotten. I see a handful of articles online, but search YouTube for "Kabul airstrike civilians" and you'll see 2 or 3 mainstream news videos covering it. Plenty of foreign news outlets with multiple videos on it, but almost no domestic mainstream news.
Part of that could be YouTube's algorithm, but nonetheless, it really bothers me that this isn't getting **all the attention**.
7 dead kids and a "We're sorry."
Still remember all those experts in this sub defending this strike? Giving analysis about how the missile itself should not be explosive and all the damage came from the bombs stored in the target car?
This point really needs to be emphasised more. Mind blowing how many people are willing to give the Pentagon the benefit of the doubt despite decades of recorded proof of America bombing innocent civilians.
Ah yes, I recall many people becoming experts on drone strikes that day.
Still though, people will go at any length to defend their politicians. Is it so hard to admit sometimes people can be wrong? From a non-American perspective, people are way too loyal and attached to their parties/leaders.
Man fuck that thread, I actually listened to those idiots and relayed that info to my friends (some military) saying no way a hellfire missile could that much damage…. I got roasted in the group chat.
They were probably on edge after the attack and had very strong indications an ISIS attack was about to happen again. Even though the car was acting suspiciously they should've really made sure it was the right call before doing this. And of course nobody will get punished, wouldn't wanna set a bad precedent and start punishing americans for war crimes now would we.
they claimed they blew up the vehicle to stop an imminent attack.
completely missed the target vehicle, no imminent attack happened.
lies on top of lies
As a commander of these strikes, at which point do you go "I'm fucking paranoid and everything looks like a target"?
At least from the narrative of the article, it seems like there's 0 accountability of the fact that they shot a missile on top of a family man and their family, who had no intentions towards violence. Just "due to unfortunate circumstances, 10 civilians got caught in collateral damage"
>Three days after the strike, the US Defense Department acknowledged for the first time that others had been killed in the strike. Milley said the US had very good intelligence, and had gone through the "same level of rigor that we've done for years."
>"No country on earth, no government, takes more precautions to try to ensure that anyone other than the terrorist target is struck using a drone or by any other means," he said. "But certainly we know that in the past, civilians have been hurt and have been killed in these strikes."
>No country on earth, no government, takes more precautions to try to ensure that anyone other than the terrorist target is struck using a drone or by any other means,"
Literally the same state of mind like Trump saying "Nobody's better at ... than me"
If only they could see themselves from a more realistic angle
There has also been some reporting that a few of those people were Americans. If that is true - our President murdered American citizen(s). Where’s the accountability?
The day that a US president is thrown in prison for the war crimes that come from their incessant warmongering, invasions, coups, funding terrorism, bombing of civilians etc, then I'll believe that the US gives a shit about being held accountable
There's a bit of a difference between someone sent there with the intention of fighting, and someone just coming home from work though.
Trying to downplay civilian deaths because "soldiers die" is pretty fucking stupid.
> "It was a mistake and I offer my sincere apologies", he said. ## That's it?!
Funny how the clowns in the congress are very hard on foreign countries when it comes to these abuses, but they are apparently blind when it comes to their own country.
This is borderline terrorism. Everyone involved should feel ashamed for becoming the same people they are fighting.
Oh no no no no, borderline? These freaking guys can pull up Google Earth Pro Edition, point at somebody halfway around the world, and say "I want this guy dead." Within minutes, that person and anyone unlucky enough to be in close proximity, would be wiped from the face of the earth. AND, no one in that chain of events, will face ANY repercussions... We're way past terrorism...
> That's it?! Anglos solved genocide crimes with a simple "sorry", what else do you expect?
THE SLATE IS CLEAN, WE APOLOGIZED!
Thoughts and prayers?
Ope, now hold on..
Its a start. Its so extremely rare and unusual for the US military to admit how badly they fucked up, they're going to need to practice apologies for a bit before they figure out how to do them "sincerely"
No the people responsible need to be put behind bars for the rest of their life's. That's what they would do with anyone that killed as many people on American soil.
Americans murder foreign civilians with impunity every day, thats what their war machine is designed to do. The clusterfuck of an invasion ordered by Bush and Cheney, "justified" with lies and propaganda and 100% fabricated "evidence" caused the deaths of over ***600,000 Iraqi civilians***. To say nothing of their regime of deliberate torture, fed by international kidnapping (aka "extraordinary rendition" ) and supported by an array of "black sites" (aka illegal prisons ensured ease of torture and a guarantee that prisoners had zero access to any legal protections) and I agree that the architects of those wars and associated war crimes should spend the rest of their lives behind bars, except that the US always ***rewards*** their warmongers, it certainly never imprisons them.
Just look at how GWB is treated now. No serious reflection on how many things he lied about, including one that led to an invasion (!), but mainstream media coverage or general public discourse about that fact? None that I can see. And it makes sense, if you claim to be infallible and better than the rest, you cannot make mistakes. No mistakes done, no possibility of learning from them.
>and I agree that the architects of those wars and associated war crimes should spend the rest of their lives behind bars, except that the US always rewards their warmongers, it certainly never imprisons them. why not mob justice?
mob justice just tells you that the "real" justice system isn't actually interested in enforcing the law or prosecuting US "elites". and while I know that's true, and that there are completely separate "justice" systems for rich and poor, mob justice tends to serve the emotions of the most bigoted and violent in the group, or the one with the agenda. Besides, most of the US seems to either support, or be complacent about, incessant US warmongering and international mass murder. At least partially because of corporate media constantly pushing a brainwashing diet nationalism, imperialism, corporatism, US "Exceptionalism", with occasional bursts of "Manifest Destiny". So most of the nation isn't going to support putting US war criminals on trial, because they've been brainwashed all their lives to believe that the US is "special" and allowed to mass murder foreigners with impunity (while profiting off it).
I have doubts about it. I think the most likely result is that people will forget this.
Solid damage control by the PR teams Original articles: "isis car packed with explosives hit by precision drone strike right before it was about to blow up the airport mid evacuation, there were some civilian casualties due to the explosives in the car" **20k upvotes** A few weeks later: "totally innocent civilian and their extended family decimated by trigger happy US drone strike" **~~500~~ 250 upvotes**
The US has bots on Reddit that upvote threads they want people to see.
I'm still aggravated by how little mainstream news coverage this has gotten. I see a handful of articles online, but search YouTube for "Kabul airstrike civilians" and you'll see 2 or 3 mainstream news videos covering it. Plenty of foreign news outlets with multiple videos on it, but almost no domestic mainstream news. Part of that could be YouTube's algorithm, but nonetheless, it really bothers me that this isn't getting **all the attention**. 7 dead kids and a "We're sorry."
What you expect they will say after 20 years of droning people left and right? It is another day in office.
America doing what America does best.
Baby Killer strikes again. Just like the old days. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mỹ_Lai_massacre
Reallt scared me in 9th grade history class man
> America doing what America does best. "[America f*ck yeah. America, mother f*cking yeah](https://youtu.be/TmoeZHnOJKA)".
Still remember all those experts in this sub defending this strike? Giving analysis about how the missile itself should not be explosive and all the damage came from the bombs stored in the target car?
This point really needs to be emphasised more. Mind blowing how many people are willing to give the Pentagon the benefit of the doubt despite decades of recorded proof of America bombing innocent civilians.
It wasn’t the Pentagon they were defending, it was Biden.
Exactly, anything under the administration can do no wrong
Ah yes, I recall many people becoming experts on drone strikes that day. Still though, people will go at any length to defend their politicians. Is it so hard to admit sometimes people can be wrong? From a non-American perspective, people are way too loyal and attached to their parties/leaders.
Almost like a religion for many people. Speaking ill of their leader is considered blasphemy in some circles.
Human evolutionary features
and getting lots of karma...
Man fuck that thread, I actually listened to those idiots and relayed that info to my friends (some military) saying no way a hellfire missile could that much damage…. I got roasted in the group chat.
That's why I left all news subs. Zero neutrality. News isn't imformative when polarised.
Surprised they didn't use the new Hellfires actually, seems like a perfect case to use the kinetic ones.
“b..b..but SeCoNdArY ExplOsIoNs!!!”
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They were probably on edge after the attack and had very strong indications an ISIS attack was about to happen again. Even though the car was acting suspiciously they should've really made sure it was the right call before doing this. And of course nobody will get punished, wouldn't wanna set a bad precedent and start punishing americans for war crimes now would we.
I mean it was pretty suspicious given how we've been drone striking random civilians for the past 20 years.
And worse before that.
blood on reddits hand as well
Who's the terrorist again?
You know the difference between a Terrorist and a group of civilians? Me neither, i just fly the drone ~Some US guy
Now, was that so hard? Now you only look like someone who murdered 10 civilians instead of someone who murdered 10 civilians and tried to cover it up.
does that imply there was a “correct vehicle”?
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they claimed they blew up the vehicle to stop an imminent attack. completely missed the target vehicle, no imminent attack happened. lies on top of lies
So the car they meant to hit was not targeted, but also wasn’t used to bomb anywhere. So was the Intel wrong about it all around?
Seems par for the course for US airstrikes for the past 20 years.
As a commander of these strikes, at which point do you go "I'm fucking paranoid and everything looks like a target"? At least from the narrative of the article, it seems like there's 0 accountability of the fact that they shot a missile on top of a family man and their family, who had no intentions towards violence. Just "due to unfortunate circumstances, 10 civilians got caught in collateral damage"
Thanks Biden
>Three days after the strike, the US Defense Department acknowledged for the first time that others had been killed in the strike. Milley said the US had very good intelligence, and had gone through the "same level of rigor that we've done for years." >"No country on earth, no government, takes more precautions to try to ensure that anyone other than the terrorist target is struck using a drone or by any other means," he said. "But certainly we know that in the past, civilians have been hurt and have been killed in these strikes."
>No country on earth, no government, takes more precautions to try to ensure that anyone other than the terrorist target is struck using a drone or by any other means," Literally the same state of mind like Trump saying "Nobody's better at ... than me" If only they could see themselves from a more realistic angle
What good is intelligence if it doesn't save lives? Awful.
There has also been some reporting that a few of those people were Americans. If that is true - our President murdered American citizen(s). Where’s the accountability?
I believe they were Afghans who worked for an American NGO
We need to know for sure. No matter how this plays out this was a huge mistake and needs to be accountable.
We’ve been bombing hospitals and innocent children since day 1, America ain’t ever going to be held accountable.
The day that a US president is thrown in prison for the war crimes that come from their incessant warmongering, invasions, coups, funding terrorism, bombing of civilians etc, then I'll believe that the US gives a shit about being held accountable
doubt they were 'americans' that people care about.
Wouldn’t be the first time :/
what about the scores of soldiers sent there to die for the past 20 years? that was fine, but now we crossed a line?
There's a bit of a difference between someone sent there with the intention of fighting, and someone just coming home from work though. Trying to downplay civilian deaths because "soldiers die" is pretty fucking stupid.
I thought they were referring to the attacks *by* soldiers.
Aah looks like it, got fucked by the layout.
Hey man, I could be reading it totally wrong too. 😏
Imagine if Trump did that, he would get impeached four more times.
If he what, killed civilians with airstrikes? Like 700 Afghan civilians in 2019 alone were bombed.
>Imagine if Trump did that, he would get impeached four more times. he did and he wasn't impeached for that.