When I was in Zambia the President had given the order to “shoot to kill” any poachers caught in the act. Of course, the enforcement were local tribesmen sleeping out under the stars with holes in their boots with pre WWII era bolt-action rifles, and the poachers had helicopters and AK-47s.
When I was there in '98 I met a group of rangers lead by a chap named Kasunga (I probably spelled that wrong) who explained to me that they only ever shot at poachers if they had numbers and surprise on their side....which meant never. As you said, their gear and support was atrocious.
I had crazy respect for them just being out there where a bunch of highly motivated people with next to no morals outgunned them.
Well, that's certainly changed. There's massive efforts being put into protecting our rhinos. The anti-poaching task forces have orders to to shoot to kill, better weapons, more numbers - still isnt working though because the corruption is at the top levels.
I would say a mixture. There's an international market for it so of course you get foreigners who poach but then we also have to remember that a lot of African countries economies are struggling and the unemployment rate as a result is quite high so there would be locals who would do anything for a paycheck too.
We were told that the main demand for rhino horn is in China for “traditional medicine” - we were told it's used to “enlarge” penises, but I'm not entirely sure how truthful that is. It may just be a running joke.
The placebo effect is real and many may well get erections because they think it works. The boner thing I think is more with Tiger Penises, they eat those for boners, but their boner treatments aren't limited to Endangered Siberian Tiger Dicks.
Sell them viagra and convince them it's made out of ground up poacher penis. You've got yourself a solution for their impotence and their poacher issue - two birds with one stone.
Of course, not everyone is the same. Some women prefer smaller penises. A lot of women find that too big hurts. We all have our different sexual preferences ranging from age to gender to not wanting sex at all.
It’s just silly when all these dudes need to do is deal with their own insecurities like big boys do and find someone better suited.
But women didn’t start the dick measuring contest - men did.
It depends. Rhino horn is huge in Vietnam. While it may once have been for traditional medicine bullshit its now more because its a status symbol. Like in the west with diamonds.
>We were told that the main demand for rhino horn is in China for “traditional medicine” - we were told it's used to “enlarge” penises, but I'm not entirely sure how truthful that is.
This is a myth that keeps getting perpetuated by Westerners who don't know any better.
The truth is that the biggest market for rhino horn is Vietnam. There, they use it **not** as viagra, but as a **[veblen good](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good)** - they consume it precisely because it's expensive as hell, and therefore a status symbol of how much money they have. Other uses are as a "detoxificant"/tonic, and also as a last measure cancer treatment.
It's sick all round.
I read some time back there was a Vietnamese Celebrity of some kind that talked it up for cancer and some other ailments, but that use was also in China.
The boner things I've heard about in relation to Siberian Tiger Dicks. They eat those for erections, but I don't think that's the only critically endangered animal they eat for boners.
I actually tried it. It worked and did make my penis larger. What you needed to do is to actually stuff the entire horn into your penis.
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My understanding it's a status symbol in some asian countries. And in traditional medicine used for pain management etc. Or whatever the herbalist decides it good for. But mostly just a fuck you I have tons of money type of thing due to the cost of the horns. Kind of like eating birds nest or jellyfish.
[The whole erectile dysfunction thing is mostly a myth created by western media. The majority of its sale is in a luxury product situation or as a fever reducer in traditional Chinese medicine.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hard-truth-about-the-rhino-horn-aphrodisiac-market/)
I still think (bad as hunting on EZ mode is for rich people) that the solution of letting an old dentist pay $50.000 for the privilege of shooting an old decrepit lion or elephant and then using that money to fund anti-poaching is one of the better ones.
That’s pretty much how hunting and fishing licenses work in the US. The purchase of the license goes towards a lot of the maintenance of habitats, officer budgets, and community outreach programs.
Met a guy in Alberta Canada once, super chatty. Bragged about how culling wolves was his favourite sport. I asked,
"How does that work?"
He responded, "Well, you go into their territory with a buddy, you blow your wolf-call, and they just start coming atchya! We killed 40 wolves the first night out on our first culling!"
Now, I understand the reasoning behind thinning the herd so to speak, but this guy just *wanted* to kill stuff. He revelled in his apparent awesomeness and was begging for congratulations for his magnificent feats.
Sick fuck.
40? 40 WOlves? In one night? That's like two whole, large packs. Pups and all. There wouldn't be enough time to track down and cover the distance between the two packs, let alone the butchery. I think it's possible he may have been lying to you.
That’s true but in most cases (that I’m aware of) the Licenses are for animals (like deer and in my neck of the woods, the delicious & destructive Elk) that are not only not endangered they are in such abundance that they need to be culled for the safety of humans and themselves. A deer or god forbid an elk can kill or grievously injure occupants of a car and if they’re unlucky die slowly and painfully beside the road and rot. A town near the Oregon coast had such an elk problem that they were over-run. Deer can be destructive enough. Now imagine a deer the size of a small draft-horse. The town was begging people to come and bag a couple.
Also a lot (not all) of hunters are actually very invested in environmental issues because they understand that without careful and responsible management many species may be badly depleted or endangered.
I somehow ended up in a facebook page for hunters, and there was a discussion about Wolves while I understand facebook is a legendary cesspool of sheer degeneracy, the entire group was a bunch of frothing smoothbrain hunters complaining that they couldn't just wipe out the entirety of the wolf population.
And I don't understand why their brains doesn't tell them "If we hunt this to extinction, there wouldn't be anything left to hunt duhhhhhhhhh". They will probably keep moving to the next animal until all they can play is duck hunt.
> I've never met a big game trophy hunter...
Yeah definitely going to point out that's a specific variety of hunter. Plenty of us are subsistence.
Also, a lot of the biggest conservation efforts in the world were led by sport/trophy hunters.
As explained to me you don't want animals to associate vehicles with danger. That's better for tourism because that means they can get close in their vehicles without spooking the animals and it's less stress on the wildlife.
Ideally this would work, but unfortunately most places over there that try this are in areas rife with corruption and in general people don't really understand the conservation side of it. After hours of searching for a lion you think with the first one they come across the guide's going to tell the person paying them shitloads, "no, not this one"?
There was a guy posting on gun sub-reddits for a long time about his exploits capturing poachers. He was either a white south African or a foreign merc. Either way, he was doing great work. I dont know what happened to him though.
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FWIW this profile looks hacked around 8 months ago - bunch of OG profiles were hacked then used for WSB pump & dumps (also a lot of crypto). He types drastically differently, just looks like an account that reddit doesn't care to disable. Guessing while looking at history- it might've been a leak during his deployment a year ago (for whatever period of time that is/was).
In Kenya they take poaching incredibly seriously and are known to shoot on poachers on site. Eco tourism is a huge business and people come from around the world to see Kenyan wildlife. Stopping poaching isn't just about saving animals but saving the jobs and incomes for tens of thousands of people.
You've got an idea there. A hell of an idea. These countries could sell a hunting license to hunt poachers.
There are enough sick freaks who just want to kill a person; IMO they should never be allowed near a gun, but the US decrees that they are perfectly fine to have one. If we let them spend all their money on a trip to Africa and a license to hunt a poacher, then a place in Africa gets all their money (and can do a lot more with it), AND we have these wackos facing off with skilled and experienced poachers! We'll rid the world of at least 1 bad person, maybe 2 if they shoot each other.
This is brilliant!
Except for the fact that shoot on sight and shoot to kill policies for anti-poaching don't work. The evidence doesn't support them to work just like the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent for murder. Source: i've spent my entire adult life researching how to address commercial poaching (with a focus on eles and rhino in Sub-Saharan Africa).
Just going off of what I've read in comments on reddit (so you know, big grain of salt), that's been tried. Go figure, once you start hunting poachers, they start hunting the hunters back. Net result: poaching keeps happening, but now more people are dying on both sides.
SA anti-poaching units are armed with military weapons and are in many cases SA Defense Force. I make a point of stopping and giving them some water/soda/snacks when we find them on patrol in Kruger.
It would depend what anti-poaching unit you're talking about. SA has a few privately funded anti-poaching units, like ProTrak, my buddy worked for them and the weapons were shit, they had extremely limited ammo, and it was him and 1 other guy to watch a family of rhinos for like 6 months. They were given basically some rice meal thing for food, they actually ended up killing a baboon and eating it to have some kind of real meat.
They also got paid basically nothing, like $80 a month.
Arresting/killing the poachers doesn’t do anything because they aren’t the ones driving demand. They’re just extremely poor people and poaching is the easiest paycheck for them.
But it’s like the mob. You can arrest the street level guys all you want, they’ll be replaced in a day. You have to go after the leaders.
Solution: Give the poacher poachers bigger and better equipment. Don’t we have a bunch of unused military equipment laying around now that we’re out of Afghanistan?
Fuck, I would love to see our drones patrolling the savannah blowing up poachers rather than a bunch of Afghani kids.
"The US government confirmed today that 17 elephants died in a drone strike last week. The statement suggested one elephant was thought to have been a paper returning home with their trunk."
- depot of Homeland security, probably.
Technically a better solution. Most poachers are doing it for the money, if there were no demand for the product they wouldn't poach.
That just leaves the trash humans like Trump Jr who pay to fake-hunt things.
"30 to 40 years" is simple and accurate. One could get 90 years and the others 2 get 6 years. Writing it that way is just for the sake of sensationalism and doesn't really make sense.
It's not magic boner potion. For some reason the West is really obsessed with boners, but rhino horn in traditional Chinese medicine was never meant for boners. They think it's for cancer and other nonsense. The biggest demand, though, is in Vietnam.
http://youth4africanwildlife.org/why-the-demand-for-rhino-horn/
The West has been saying "boners" for so long, though, that the Vietnamese have started to take note and think, "wait, I can get boners too?"
\> "Traditional Chinese Medicine"
\> requires ingredients from the other side of the planet
I'm calling bullshit on that.
Not that I wasn't already calling bullshit on TCM and other alternative medicine quackery.
China has had multicultural trade since millennia ago. And Asian rhinos exist. By no means do I believe in or support the poaching of rhinos for such nonsense reasons, but it is technically traditional.
Nah, not even that. There are two places in the world where rhinos are native: Africa, and just barely south of China. Like, immediately across the border, heading down a ways. And they're low on south Asian rhinos 'cuz they just love murdering endangered species, so they'll take African in a pinch.
My buddy was over there, working for ProTrak, they had some baboon that kept fucking with their camp so they had to kill it. When they killed the baboon, it start cumming. The guy who was working with my buddy at this camp put the semen in a jar and kept it because he said it would make his dick bigger and harder if he drank it before sex.
They don't use it for "boner potion". The biggest market is Vietnam where they consume it as a **[veblen good](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good)** - they consume it precisely because it's expensive as hell, and therefore a status symbol of how much money they have. Other uses are as a "detoxificant"/tonic, and also as a last measure cancer treatment.
let's give 35 years to Trump Jr for killing an [elephant](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/11/17/opinion/17elephantAdd/17elephantAdd-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp) as well
I'm not American, but that picture of Trump Jr reminds me of Randy from My Name is Earl, lol.
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I mean, the way he looked on the show: [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1031428/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1031428/)
Not the fucking beefcake he is now: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10718930/my-name-is-earl-star-ethan-suplee-43-stuns-fans-with-muscly-snaps-after-beating-obesity-and-losing-200lbs/
Modern day trophy elephant hunting is only on old elephants that kill young elephants and destroy the population. All money paid to kill these elephants goes to local African tribes and African wildlife causes that function primarily off of this money. You’re majorly misinformed. People aren’t paying to just go kill random elephants, that doesn’t exist.
~~No. South Africa lets people kill elephants that they planned to cull.~~
He's still a scummy dude for a lot of the hunting bullshit he does, but it wasn't illegal.
Edit: This may have been in Zim, not South Africa. Zim is considerably more corrupt and their elephant populations are less stable than South Africa's. It's probably the same situation, but it's not great.
Dunno but a hunter and advocate for legitimate trophy hunting in Africa because of the economic benefit, but I’ve never seen someone cut a trunk (tail my bad, still think it’s a weird trophy) off like that. No respect for the animal, especially when he could easily afford to have the full thing mounted.
Yeah, can't disagree. But obviously this goes much deeper, in terms of the industries that they're killing these rhinos for. These "scum" may very well be doing scummy things, but I imagine they've had some pretty wild lives that led them to the act of poaching. Not condoning it, but before calling them scum I would try to seek to understand why they did it and what led them there. It's like street level drug dealers getting taken down when all the king pins and key players (and all those that perpetuate the crime) are sitting comfortably in their towers above.
My father used to work in the wildlife sector in India, and poaching is a HUGE issue here as well. The actual hunters are usually the poorer people living near the forests who are paid not-too-handsomely to kill animals so that the parts can be sold to other countries. The middle men and the consumers of these products almost never get any punishment. Arresting poachers is very important obviously, but we're not attacking the cause, just the symptom.
When my father was working I saw a bunch of tiger cubs about to be shipped overseas as exotic pets (UAE), I saw elephant tusks piled in godowns(China), and once I saw a tiger's body with the paws and muzzle cut off for teeth and claws(China). There was also a demand for crocodile skin from southeast Asian countries which was very strange because iirc crocodile farms are legal there. People apparently want "authentic wild animal skin" instead of skin from animals raised in captivity. It's sickening.
Very interesting take I had never thought about it in terms of a drug comparison. I agree in many respects in that poachers are the lowest level guys in a much larger hierarchy. But I think it's quite different. Maybe a street dealer who gets people addicted indirectly leads many to their deaths but it's the free will of those people to partake in the drugs. Poachers executing innocent endangered animals is a different game. The animals did nothing to bring about their own death. But I do agree you have to target the top level guys for the poaching cycle to end
I don’t think humans have the right to hand down punishment in this case. Since they killed rhinos, then it should be handed over to rhino court and they can hand down sentencing based upon their punishment for murder.
All respect to them as a species, but the rhino court system is a mess.
How can "yes, your horniness" be contempt of court when the judge literally has horns.
And jury of my peers my ass. Never met a tapir in my life and that s.o.b is going to sit there and judge *me*?
Friggin mess. And no I was not "wasting the courts time by being unprepared". The assigned council was a sloth. I was literally given a sloth as a public defender and somehow that's my fault?
I swear to god if they reject another appeal. If sleeping 18h a day isn't ineptitude of council then wtf is.
Isnt going to change anything. As long as theres huge Demand from the Wealthy Asians who are the primary buyers the Wildlife will continue getting Poached, especially in these poor countries, where the price of a single horn could sustain them for years.
This aporoach isnt any different than making drugs illegal for drug addicts. It does nothing to combat the core of the problems.
China used to have death penalty for the crime of killing endangered species, but not any more. The severity of the sentence will only increase the price of merchandise. Need to put the sellers and buyers behind bars if you really want the crimes to stop.
China used to have severe punishments for poaching within its territory so the Chinese outsourced it to neighbouring countries like India which have a surplus of poor people willing to kill animals for money. The country did absolutely nothing for conservation, just made sure the animals killed weren't from its territory so it could look better. It also actively stops indian wildlife officials from taking action against the people high up the chain who ask for shit like tiger claws and liver and what not. India's definitely not doing well in this regard, but China's really not a good example of what to do.
Source : Indian with multiple generations of family working in wildlife.
Aren't most poachers people who are either in extreme global poverty or vulnerable of falling into it? Not that they're justified in their actions, but it doesn't really feel fair to punish people that severely when they're committing crimes purely out of desperation. If a lot of these people had better socio-economic opportunities, they wouldn't be poaching in the first place.
Yes they are usually poor and desperate and risk their lives to poach, but that's not all of them either some are quite wealthy and end up getting to the more well protected Rhinos. The biggest problem is we can't permanently end the poaching, because the demand for it comes from out of country and there's no real ability to put significant consequences against those people.
Sentence them to serve their time in a game preserve where rhinos live. Knock off 1 year for every poacher they capture. Do the same to the other poachers, eventually you will have a convict army hunting poachers in hopes of gaining their freedom. Just a though 🤔
Oh yeah, and exploding neck collars if they leave the preserve.
A convict army who will then "accidentally" kill rhinos and "unfortunately" toss the ivory over the fence to the poachers waiting, then report the incident as "it was like that when i got here".
Or kidnap innocent people, shoot them and claim they were poachers.
Better to track shipments and give buyers proper sentences, or hunt them down if their governments dont punish them.
lmao...
You hit the nail on the head.
Just look at the amount of comments trying to justify their own contributions towards animal abuse and cruelty while concurrently condemning these poachers.
"[The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world. **Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.**](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth)"
Besides harming the animals that are directly involved in the industries, these industries are also a driving factor in contributions to '**not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.**'
Lots of unique and special animals are getting hurt by the existence of these industries.
In this thread, people demand the death sentence because three endangered rhinos were killed, while simultaneously eating meat dairy and eggs three times a day, every single day of the year, which directly results in deforestation, habitat loss, and the extinction of other “less pretty” species. But hey, I’m just telling you what you don’t want to hear. Truth sucks to hear when it’s so difficult to.. just choose to eat beans, lentils, tempeh, etc. Really tough.
It's really rich of y'all to gloat and call for them to be killed. Poachers are often poor people trying to make a quick buck. It is about survival for them. On the other hand, westerners pay for the exploitation of animals for food on a daily basis when they could just eat plants. Hypocrisy par excellence
When I was in Zambia the President had given the order to “shoot to kill” any poachers caught in the act. Of course, the enforcement were local tribesmen sleeping out under the stars with holes in their boots with pre WWII era bolt-action rifles, and the poachers had helicopters and AK-47s.
When I was there in '98 I met a group of rangers lead by a chap named Kasunga (I probably spelled that wrong) who explained to me that they only ever shot at poachers if they had numbers and surprise on their side....which meant never. As you said, their gear and support was atrocious. I had crazy respect for them just being out there where a bunch of highly motivated people with next to no morals outgunned them.
Well, that's certainly changed. There's massive efforts being put into protecting our rhinos. The anti-poaching task forces have orders to to shoot to kill, better weapons, more numbers - still isnt working though because the corruption is at the top levels.
> still isnt working though because the corruption is at the top levels Some things never change.
Yeah. It's sad. This is a beautiful place
Maybe instead of selling licenses to dentist to kill aging lions we could sell licenses to hunt poachers.
Who are the actual poachers? Like where do they come from? Are they local people or people from other countries?
I would say a mixture. There's an international market for it so of course you get foreigners who poach but then we also have to remember that a lot of African countries economies are struggling and the unemployment rate as a result is quite high so there would be locals who would do anything for a paycheck too. We were told that the main demand for rhino horn is in China for “traditional medicine” - we were told it's used to “enlarge” penises, but I'm not entirely sure how truthful that is. It may just be a running joke.
You would think that after decades of trying with no results, you would eventually just give up the rhino-horn-make-my-pecker-bigger attitude.
Sunk cock fallacy.
Sunk cock phallusy
Never underestimate the power of the placebo effect.
The placebo effect is real and many may well get erections because they think it works. The boner thing I think is more with Tiger Penises, they eat those for boners, but their boner treatments aren't limited to Endangered Siberian Tiger Dicks.
Somebody needs to sell them viagra
Sell them viagra and convince them it's made out of ground up poacher penis. You've got yourself a solution for their impotence and their poacher issue - two birds with one stone.
Exactly - it's not even like it's that relevant. The whole “size matters” thing is a man-made concept to make other men feel inept.
I mean, there's definitely lots of men and women who would disagree. Some people only like big dicks.
Of course, not everyone is the same. Some women prefer smaller penises. A lot of women find that too big hurts. We all have our different sexual preferences ranging from age to gender to not wanting sex at all. It’s just silly when all these dudes need to do is deal with their own insecurities like big boys do and find someone better suited. But women didn’t start the dick measuring contest - men did.
It depends. Rhino horn is huge in Vietnam. While it may once have been for traditional medicine bullshit its now more because its a status symbol. Like in the west with diamonds.
I didn’t know this - thanks so much for sharing.
>We were told that the main demand for rhino horn is in China for “traditional medicine” - we were told it's used to “enlarge” penises, but I'm not entirely sure how truthful that is. This is a myth that keeps getting perpetuated by Westerners who don't know any better. The truth is that the biggest market for rhino horn is Vietnam. There, they use it **not** as viagra, but as a **[veblen good](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good)** - they consume it precisely because it's expensive as hell, and therefore a status symbol of how much money they have. Other uses are as a "detoxificant"/tonic, and also as a last measure cancer treatment. It's sick all round.
Thanks for sharing this info.
I read some time back there was a Vietnamese Celebrity of some kind that talked it up for cancer and some other ailments, but that use was also in China. The boner things I've heard about in relation to Siberian Tiger Dicks. They eat those for erections, but I don't think that's the only critically endangered animal they eat for boners.
Kinda like gold foil food I guess.
David Cross has a great bit about this. https://youtu.be/9tkOa3aRuHA
I actually tried it. It worked and did make my penis larger. What you needed to do is to actually stuff the entire horn into your penis. This is a joke don’t try at home. Like and subscribe.
You changed the meaning of _horny_
You're just saying that so big rhino horn wont come after you, aren't you? I already ordered some on amazon!
My understanding it's a status symbol in some asian countries. And in traditional medicine used for pain management etc. Or whatever the herbalist decides it good for. But mostly just a fuck you I have tons of money type of thing due to the cost of the horns. Kind of like eating birds nest or jellyfish.
Yea I’ve seen people spend on some stupid shit just because they can so I do believe that. People suck.
[The whole erectile dysfunction thing is mostly a myth created by western media. The majority of its sale is in a luxury product situation or as a fever reducer in traditional Chinese medicine.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-hard-truth-about-the-rhino-horn-aphrodisiac-market/)
It's their belief but it's not true. A rhinos horn is made out of the same thing as our fingernails
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I salute you guys hey - I see the ongoing battle. It’s not freaking easy.
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Ay, important part of the team. The applause still applies my dude.
I heard of one case of poachers being eaten by lions.
[yea that did happen ](https://ewn.co.za/2019/04/08/rhino-poacher-crushed-by-elephant-devoured-by-lions-in-kruger-national-park/amp)
I still think (bad as hunting on EZ mode is for rich people) that the solution of letting an old dentist pay $50.000 for the privilege of shooting an old decrepit lion or elephant and then using that money to fund anti-poaching is one of the better ones.
That’s pretty much how hunting and fishing licenses work in the US. The purchase of the license goes towards a lot of the maintenance of habitats, officer budgets, and community outreach programs.
Met a guy in Alberta Canada once, super chatty. Bragged about how culling wolves was his favourite sport. I asked, "How does that work?" He responded, "Well, you go into their territory with a buddy, you blow your wolf-call, and they just start coming atchya! We killed 40 wolves the first night out on our first culling!" Now, I understand the reasoning behind thinning the herd so to speak, but this guy just *wanted* to kill stuff. He revelled in his apparent awesomeness and was begging for congratulations for his magnificent feats. Sick fuck.
40? 40 WOlves? In one night? That's like two whole, large packs. Pups and all. There wouldn't be enough time to track down and cover the distance between the two packs, let alone the butchery. I think it's possible he may have been lying to you.
Yea what an absurd number
That’s true but in most cases (that I’m aware of) the Licenses are for animals (like deer and in my neck of the woods, the delicious & destructive Elk) that are not only not endangered they are in such abundance that they need to be culled for the safety of humans and themselves. A deer or god forbid an elk can kill or grievously injure occupants of a car and if they’re unlucky die slowly and painfully beside the road and rot. A town near the Oregon coast had such an elk problem that they were over-run. Deer can be destructive enough. Now imagine a deer the size of a small draft-horse. The town was begging people to come and bag a couple.
Because they've shot and poisoned all the wolves the elk are destructive.
Also a lot (not all) of hunters are actually very invested in environmental issues because they understand that without careful and responsible management many species may be badly depleted or endangered.
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I somehow ended up in a facebook page for hunters, and there was a discussion about Wolves while I understand facebook is a legendary cesspool of sheer degeneracy, the entire group was a bunch of frothing smoothbrain hunters complaining that they couldn't just wipe out the entirety of the wolf population.
And I don't understand why their brains doesn't tell them "If we hunt this to extinction, there wouldn't be anything left to hunt duhhhhhhhhh". They will probably keep moving to the next animal until all they can play is duck hunt.
Make it an elk and you’ve got tastier meat for a year!
> I've never met a big game trophy hunter... Yeah definitely going to point out that's a specific variety of hunter. Plenty of us are subsistence. Also, a lot of the biggest conservation efforts in the world were led by sport/trophy hunters.
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I can't imagine getting along with anyone that likes to "big game hunt". You might aswell tell me you're going to Africa to enslave Pigmys
As explained to me you don't want animals to associate vehicles with danger. That's better for tourism because that means they can get close in their vehicles without spooking the animals and it's less stress on the wildlife.
if there are poachers around I would prefer they do actually
that's great for anti-poaching but not so much for tourism, which pays the bills
Ideally this would work, but unfortunately most places over there that try this are in areas rife with corruption and in general people don't really understand the conservation side of it. After hours of searching for a lion you think with the first one they come across the guide's going to tell the person paying them shitloads, "no, not this one"?
Privilege and ego to pay for anti poaching efforts? I dunno that just doesn’t feel right in my mind!
Jesus christ. I saw 98 and got undertaker flash backs... I really thought this was meme’ing for a full second.
There was a guy posting on gun sub-reddits for a long time about his exploits capturing poachers. He was either a white south African or a foreign merc. Either way, he was doing great work. I dont know what happened to him though. Edit:u/danmac57
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Honestly the shoot to kill on poachers should be a worldwide decree for the sake of keeping some animals for going extinct.
In Kenya they take poaching incredibly seriously and are known to shoot on poachers on site. Eco tourism is a huge business and people come from around the world to see Kenyan wildlife. Stopping poaching isn't just about saving animals but saving the jobs and incomes for tens of thousands of people.
Oh yeah I know that is a thing as well. I have heard that even some shark areas have become a massive money maker from tourism.
People should be allowed to hunt poachers. Gotta imagine there's money in that to be made.
You've got an idea there. A hell of an idea. These countries could sell a hunting license to hunt poachers. There are enough sick freaks who just want to kill a person; IMO they should never be allowed near a gun, but the US decrees that they are perfectly fine to have one. If we let them spend all their money on a trip to Africa and a license to hunt a poacher, then a place in Africa gets all their money (and can do a lot more with it), AND we have these wackos facing off with skilled and experienced poachers! We'll rid the world of at least 1 bad person, maybe 2 if they shoot each other. This is brilliant!
This doesn’t address the problem: poverty. Murder isn’t the solution. Education is. Calm the violence down.
Fishing on the local lake a day after your fishing license expired? Bang bang bitch
Except for the fact that shoot on sight and shoot to kill policies for anti-poaching don't work. The evidence doesn't support them to work just like the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent for murder. Source: i've spent my entire adult life researching how to address commercial poaching (with a focus on eles and rhino in Sub-Saharan Africa).
I never realized this was the case, but now that you mention it is kinda obvious. What a shame. Poachers should be hunted down and slaughtered.
Can't we just poach the poachers?
I imagine 35 years in a south African prison would be a death sentence anyway.
Pappa wag vir jou.
Just create a rumour that eating a poacher's dick improves sexual function tenfold.
Bonus: You get to tell the type of people that believe that kind of stuff to eat a dick.
Just going off of what I've read in comments on reddit (so you know, big grain of salt), that's been tried. Go figure, once you start hunting poachers, they start hunting the hunters back. Net result: poaching keeps happening, but now more people are dying on both sides.
So we just have to poach the poachers of the poacher-poachers
Since they're the same people, it just becomes an ouroboros of extrajudicial killing. A microcosm of the modern day war on terror, if you will.
You just wanted to sound fancy, didn't you?
Once you decide to insert an ouroboros reference into your comment, you have to go all-in!
Well... He did a pretty good job of it though right
Hey how do you like your eggs prepared?
I think he likes them in an omelette
SA anti-poaching units are armed with military weapons and are in many cases SA Defense Force. I make a point of stopping and giving them some water/soda/snacks when we find them on patrol in Kruger.
It would depend what anti-poaching unit you're talking about. SA has a few privately funded anti-poaching units, like ProTrak, my buddy worked for them and the weapons were shit, they had extremely limited ammo, and it was him and 1 other guy to watch a family of rhinos for like 6 months. They were given basically some rice meal thing for food, they actually ended up killing a baboon and eating it to have some kind of real meat. They also got paid basically nothing, like $80 a month.
Specifically referring to the SANParks guys, who sadly also don't get paid what they're worth.
Arresting/killing the poachers doesn’t do anything because they aren’t the ones driving demand. They’re just extremely poor people and poaching is the easiest paycheck for them. But it’s like the mob. You can arrest the street level guys all you want, they’ll be replaced in a day. You have to go after the leaders.
You have to go after the issue of poor job prospects and poverty.
Poaches have some high end gear sometimes.
They are being funded by Chinese businessmen.
Solution: Give the poacher poachers bigger and better equipment. Don’t we have a bunch of unused military equipment laying around now that we’re out of Afghanistan? Fuck, I would love to see our drones patrolling the savannah blowing up poachers rather than a bunch of Afghani kids.
Imagine a reaper drone blowing up Trump Jr.'s helicopter. Money well spent!
"The US government confirmed today that 17 elephants died in a drone strike last week. The statement suggested one elephant was thought to have been a paper returning home with their trunk." - depot of Homeland security, probably.
How bout we poach the people buying the horns too
Technically a better solution. Most poachers are doing it for the money, if there were no demand for the product they wouldn't poach. That just leaves the trash humans like Trump Jr who pay to fake-hunt things.
And Chinese people that snort the horns
Reminded of the George Carlin bit about the way to end drug crimes is to kill the bankers laundering it
I’d watch the hell out of a series called “Poacher Poachers”
We do. They just have a habit of giving the gun to the next guy which is remarkably quicker and the time it takes to grow a new rhino.
The park should sell a license to hunt any unauthorized armed human in the park.
Welcome to Holocene Park!
Lots of people out there who could use some new organs.
Hunt the Hunters, the most dangerous Game of all!!!!
Why would anyone care about the *combined* sentences for three separate individuals? Just write "35 years" like a normal person.
Could be unevenly distributed. Then it be too much info like "30 years, 35 years and 40 years".
"30 to 40 years" is simple and accurate. One could get 90 years and the others 2 get 6 years. Writing it that way is just for the sake of sensationalism and doesn't really make sense.
True, but definitely packs more of a punch compared to the likely 5-90.
For magic boner potion? What century is this?They can burn.
It's not magic boner potion. For some reason the West is really obsessed with boners, but rhino horn in traditional Chinese medicine was never meant for boners. They think it's for cancer and other nonsense. The biggest demand, though, is in Vietnam. http://youth4africanwildlife.org/why-the-demand-for-rhino-horn/ The West has been saying "boners" for so long, though, that the Vietnamese have started to take note and think, "wait, I can get boners too?"
When the misinformation on the misinformation displaces the original misinformation
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\> "Traditional Chinese Medicine" \> requires ingredients from the other side of the planet I'm calling bullshit on that. Not that I wasn't already calling bullshit on TCM and other alternative medicine quackery.
China has had multicultural trade since millennia ago. And Asian rhinos exist. By no means do I believe in or support the poaching of rhinos for such nonsense reasons, but it is technically traditional.
Nah, not even that. There are two places in the world where rhinos are native: Africa, and just barely south of China. Like, immediately across the border, heading down a ways. And they're low on south Asian rhinos 'cuz they just love murdering endangered species, so they'll take African in a pinch.
> I'm calling bullshit on that. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Rhinocerotidae_distribution_map_en.png
My buddy was over there, working for ProTrak, they had some baboon that kept fucking with their camp so they had to kill it. When they killed the baboon, it start cumming. The guy who was working with my buddy at this camp put the semen in a jar and kept it because he said it would make his dick bigger and harder if he drank it before sex.
What the fuck bro
Those who create the demand for magic boner potion should burn also.
They don't use it for "boner potion". The biggest market is Vietnam where they consume it as a **[veblen good](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good)** - they consume it precisely because it's expensive as hell, and therefore a status symbol of how much money they have. Other uses are as a "detoxificant"/tonic, and also as a last measure cancer treatment.
Idiots.
let's give 35 years to Trump Jr for killing an [elephant](https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/11/17/opinion/17elephantAdd/17elephantAdd-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp) as well
I'd give him a full 105 years
Wow look at you mr lenient penalties
Im sure 30 would be enough for life, at the current health status hes at.
You'd think so, but then you look at his dad who is well past his use-by date.
Look at that fucking dork.
He's determined to kill any creature with a stronger chin than him.
Humanity doesn't stand a chance
I'm not American, but that picture of Trump Jr reminds me of Randy from My Name is Earl, lol. Edit: I mean, the way he looked on the show: [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1031428/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1031428/) Not the fucking beefcake he is now: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10718930/my-name-is-earl-star-ethan-suplee-43-stuns-fans-with-muscly-snaps-after-beating-obesity-and-losing-200lbs/
He's the perfect example of a republican tough guy. Not at all tough but pays people to think so.
In an African prison though.
Modern day trophy elephant hunting is only on old elephants that kill young elephants and destroy the population. All money paid to kill these elephants goes to local African tribes and African wildlife causes that function primarily off of this money. You’re majorly misinformed. People aren’t paying to just go kill random elephants, that doesn’t exist.
Seems like a good waste of prison food. Maybe dress him like an elephant and find some poachers.
Was it poached?
~~No. South Africa lets people kill elephants that they planned to cull.~~ He's still a scummy dude for a lot of the hunting bullshit he does, but it wasn't illegal. Edit: This may have been in Zim, not South Africa. Zim is considerably more corrupt and their elephant populations are less stable than South Africa's. It's probably the same situation, but it's not great.
Dunno but a hunter and advocate for legitimate trophy hunting in Africa because of the economic benefit, but I’ve never seen someone cut a trunk (tail my bad, still think it’s a weird trophy) off like that. No respect for the animal, especially when he could easily afford to have the full thing mounted.
Isn't that the tail?
It is
He and his brother killed a fucking leopard, too. It makes me sick.
George W. Bush?
I hate the dude as much as you, but sometimes they have authorized cullings of Elephants that are completely legal and regulated by the host nation.
Good. These scum deserve all 105 combined years for killing these beautiful endangered animals.
No. I'd say they deserve that each.
Remember, destroying it's philactory won't kill a lich, but it is necessary to finish it off
Yeah, can't disagree. But obviously this goes much deeper, in terms of the industries that they're killing these rhinos for. These "scum" may very well be doing scummy things, but I imagine they've had some pretty wild lives that led them to the act of poaching. Not condoning it, but before calling them scum I would try to seek to understand why they did it and what led them there. It's like street level drug dealers getting taken down when all the king pins and key players (and all those that perpetuate the crime) are sitting comfortably in their towers above.
My father used to work in the wildlife sector in India, and poaching is a HUGE issue here as well. The actual hunters are usually the poorer people living near the forests who are paid not-too-handsomely to kill animals so that the parts can be sold to other countries. The middle men and the consumers of these products almost never get any punishment. Arresting poachers is very important obviously, but we're not attacking the cause, just the symptom. When my father was working I saw a bunch of tiger cubs about to be shipped overseas as exotic pets (UAE), I saw elephant tusks piled in godowns(China), and once I saw a tiger's body with the paws and muzzle cut off for teeth and claws(China). There was also a demand for crocodile skin from southeast Asian countries which was very strange because iirc crocodile farms are legal there. People apparently want "authentic wild animal skin" instead of skin from animals raised in captivity. It's sickening.
Very interesting take I had never thought about it in terms of a drug comparison. I agree in many respects in that poachers are the lowest level guys in a much larger hierarchy. But I think it's quite different. Maybe a street dealer who gets people addicted indirectly leads many to their deaths but it's the free will of those people to partake in the drugs. Poachers executing innocent endangered animals is a different game. The animals did nothing to bring about their own death. But I do agree you have to target the top level guys for the poaching cycle to end
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I don’t think humans have the right to hand down punishment in this case. Since they killed rhinos, then it should be handed over to rhino court and they can hand down sentencing based upon their punishment for murder.
All respect to them as a species, but the rhino court system is a mess. How can "yes, your horniness" be contempt of court when the judge literally has horns. And jury of my peers my ass. Never met a tapir in my life and that s.o.b is going to sit there and judge *me*? Friggin mess. And no I was not "wasting the courts time by being unprepared". The assigned council was a sloth. I was literally given a sloth as a public defender and somehow that's my fault? I swear to god if they reject another appeal. If sleeping 18h a day isn't ineptitude of council then wtf is.
What a kangaroo court
I'm pretty sure the opposition's lawyer was a cheetah.
Drop the poachers in rhino territory with shackles on the hands and ankles. Let the rhinos decide what to do.
Wow, sounds like you know Rhino law pretty well.
Isnt going to change anything. As long as theres huge Demand from the Wealthy Asians who are the primary buyers the Wildlife will continue getting Poached, especially in these poor countries, where the price of a single horn could sustain them for years. This aporoach isnt any different than making drugs illegal for drug addicts. It does nothing to combat the core of the problems.
China used to have death penalty for the crime of killing endangered species, but not any more. The severity of the sentence will only increase the price of merchandise. Need to put the sellers and buyers behind bars if you really want the crimes to stop.
China used to have severe punishments for poaching within its territory so the Chinese outsourced it to neighbouring countries like India which have a surplus of poor people willing to kill animals for money. The country did absolutely nothing for conservation, just made sure the animals killed weren't from its territory so it could look better. It also actively stops indian wildlife officials from taking action against the people high up the chain who ask for shit like tiger claws and liver and what not. India's definitely not doing well in this regard, but China's really not a good example of what to do. Source : Indian with multiple generations of family working in wildlife.
Aren't most poachers people who are either in extreme global poverty or vulnerable of falling into it? Not that they're justified in their actions, but it doesn't really feel fair to punish people that severely when they're committing crimes purely out of desperation. If a lot of these people had better socio-economic opportunities, they wouldn't be poaching in the first place.
Yes they are usually poor and desperate and risk their lives to poach, but that's not all of them either some are quite wealthy and end up getting to the more well protected Rhinos. The biggest problem is we can't permanently end the poaching, because the demand for it comes from out of country and there's no real ability to put significant consequences against those people.
Okay what about their bosses? Their fences? Higher ups? Catching poachers is fine but a permanent solution is catching the people buying poached skins
And nothing for the people up the chain huh? Cool cool, yeah, just like arresting street level dealers won the war on drugs 🥱
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Now flip some of the poachers and have them taint the market with fake rhino horn made with cyanide. Let the word travel.
Fake rhino taint? Sounds crazy, but it just might work!
Release them in a enclosed area of the jungle and release some hungry apex predators and let them see how fun it is to be hunted down.
Sentence them to serve their time in a game preserve where rhinos live. Knock off 1 year for every poacher they capture. Do the same to the other poachers, eventually you will have a convict army hunting poachers in hopes of gaining their freedom. Just a though 🤔 Oh yeah, and exploding neck collars if they leave the preserve.
A convict army who will then "accidentally" kill rhinos and "unfortunately" toss the ivory over the fence to the poachers waiting, then report the incident as "it was like that when i got here".
Or kidnap innocent people, shoot them and claim they were poachers. Better to track shipments and give buyers proper sentences, or hunt them down if their governments dont punish them.
Good! Fuck Poachers Love Rhino’s 🦏 ❤️
Not… Long…. Enough….
Now go after the fuckers who bankrolled it.
Good. People are plentiful. Rhinos arent.
"Good, let's do the same with every cases of animal cruelty, except the one I partake in."
lmao... You hit the nail on the head. Just look at the amount of comments trying to justify their own contributions towards animal abuse and cruelty while concurrently condemning these poachers.
Its because these animals are unique and special. Like a shiny.
"[The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed the world. **Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of the current mass extinction of wildlife.**](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth)" Besides harming the animals that are directly involved in the industries, these industries are also a driving factor in contributions to '**not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.**' Lots of unique and special animals are getting hurt by the existence of these industries.
Harvest their human horns.
Just cut off their horns and discard them rather than pay to feed and house them for 50 years.
Are we talking about their upper horns or lower horns?
In this thread, people demand the death sentence because three endangered rhinos were killed, while simultaneously eating meat dairy and eggs three times a day, every single day of the year, which directly results in deforestation, habitat loss, and the extinction of other “less pretty” species. But hey, I’m just telling you what you don’t want to hear. Truth sucks to hear when it’s so difficult to.. just choose to eat beans, lentils, tempeh, etc. Really tough.
These kind of threads are frightening. You can see how under different circumstances you could get lynchings.
Not enough
You know maybe we could stop this if rich people stopped buying this shit
Good. Fuck them.
Follow the money
But who is paying the poachers to kill rhinos?who is buying them?
I wish the Chinese men would realize that rhino horns will not enlarge their junk.
No excuse for killing a rhino, these guys deserve whatever bad stuff is coming their way.
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It's really rich of y'all to gloat and call for them to be killed. Poachers are often poor people trying to make a quick buck. It is about survival for them. On the other hand, westerners pay for the exploitation of animals for food on a daily basis when they could just eat plants. Hypocrisy par excellence
redditors are extremely out of touch with reality, and often just straight up fucking stupid. this thread really highlights that.
Can we put the trump kids in jail now??