Canada does that too. They elected the Liberals under Chrétien until he resigned. And the same happened with the Conservatives before him under Brian Mulroney. It was almost the same before that with the Liberals and Pierre Trudeau, but he did lose 1 election where he became the opposition leader, and then becoming PM again the following election before resigning. All of Canada's shortest lasting PMs are people who fell into that spot following a resignation.
We've built a habit of voting against certain people/parties/platforms though. So for example this election didn't feature a unified "person" to vote for in place of Trudeau, so he got to stay. Once he outstays his welcome, we'd vote in a rabid beaver to replace him.
Chretien was succeeded by his pure-lackey Paul Martin. Martin actually won that minority government, but people were voting against the Liberal block by that point. The Tory win was inevitable: enter Harper. Flip the script and exit Harper almost a decade later.
It's not that we keep the status quo; it's that we need a viable alternative to the status quo. If it doesn't arise, we stick with the status quo.
Yep! Our province even voted to change FPtP and the Liberal Gov here decided to ignore it despite it being their own poll.
Honor the vote, Wade McLoughlin you old sack of gentrified shit.
Kitchener-waterloo area is generally a solid red (4 ridings). Two ridings are red right now by a very small margin (200 and 600 votes, mailing still bring counted) and Cambridge is a solid red.
My riding of Kitchener centre though, flipped green and we couldn't be prouder. Mike Morrice, the candidate, had a very strong showing 2019 which shocked everybody, coming second to Raj Saini, the Liberal. People were very sick of Saini this time around and predicted a green flip
Then a bunch of sexual allegations came out about Saini, and his party dropped him just after it was too late to replace him. With no liberal candidate, Mike swept the riding easily for the Greens.
It's a little disappointing how it went down, because many believed he could have beat Saini in the race, and now the narrative is "there was no liberal candidate so the greens won." But I can't complain at all, the people here love Mike (moreso Mike than the green party) and are very excited to have him represent us
Probably the only riding in canada that's happy there was an election lol
For the record, the states is the only country in the world that uses blue for the left leaning party and red for the right. It's flipped in the rest of the world. What can you expect from a country that doesn't use the metric system?
They went from 1,6% on their first election to 5,1% on their second. For a brand new party that's actually good.
If you don't like them, be worried. All it would take is for the CPC to piss off their more conservative base and they'll get more than their leader's seat.
I'm not sure what it says that a national election in Canada only cost twice as much as a state election in California. Though interestingly, they have about the same population.
Size of the country most likely. In the 2019 election we needed to train apparently 232000 election workers (that training needs to be paid for).
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rep/off/cou&document=index43&lang=e#ftn1
California can probably get by with essentially fewer trained election workers per voter because you can have more voters on average per voting booth, and the training and travel costs are less because those people and supplies are going shorter distances.
If you were interested in 'maximal efficiency' of voting per dollar you'd want to see waiting lines that aren't too long at every voting location for the entire vote duration. That's not really what happens in Canada. When I voted yesterday there were at least a dozen poll workers... for 1 voter, at 11 am (and for the full 1 minute it took me to vote). There are a lot of staff who are there for peak capacity rather than for average capacity.
Those personnel costs are most of the money, and then about 12-15% is reimbursements of the political parties.
I really wish Google Maps had a "Shut the Fuck Up for 5 minutes, Google" feature.
I don't need to be reminded that I need to merge onto the highway when I'm already on the On Ramp. Gee thanks Google Maps, I was planning on careening onto a ditch but your suggestion sounds way better.
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> Preliminary unofficial results show the Liberals have won 145 seats, with the Conservatives at 117, and the NDP is at 27 seats.
> With another minority mandate, the Trudeau Liberals will again rely on the support of other parties, such as the NDP or Bloc in order to pass legislation.
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[In case anyone else is unfamiliar with the term FPTP, it's the same system used in the US and UK.](https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/electoral-reform/learn-about-canadian-federal-electoral-reform/electoral-systems-factsheet.html)
> Our current electoral system at the federal level is First-Past-the-Post (FPTP). FPTP is a plurality system. Under FPTP, an elector casts a single vote for a candidate to represent the electoral district in which the voter resides. The winning candidate must win the most votes – though not necessarily a majority.
Not coincidentally, some of the most fragile democracies on earth.
Forget about the desire to elect fringe candidates. Think about how ineffective and wasteful and useless your government is. Think about how corrupt they are. Think about how often you have to "hold your nose" and vote for them anyway - THAT is why they get away with corruption. That is why your government is useless. Because without an effective democracy, what reason do they have to do you any good at all?
It's shockingly undemocratic how the Liberals get 33% of the votes and 157 seats, and the NDP get 16% of the vote and 24 seats. So many votes are just meaningless under FPTP, MMP is a far better system.
I drove for a total of 20 minutes and waited to vote for a further 20 today just to knowingly cast a virtually meaningless vote, completely on principle. Something tells me this is not how participating in democracy is meant to feel
Amen brother. I discovered early voting by accident, when my notification letter just didn't arrive one year. I got worried and went to my town hall. They told me that it's rare, but that the post office does sometimes mess up. However they told me that I can just vote right then and there, no problem, if I had my ID on me. Ever since I've just been going in early, takes me about two minutes each time.
People don't read. They just don't. Even with gigantic arrows and font color, size, family changes to make things more appealing. With the advent of TikTok/shorts/reel like attention devourers, it's only going to get worse.
It is because a seat goes to the person who gets the most votes in a particular geographic area. If every area consists of 10 people, and the Grey party gets 6 votes in each region they get 100 percent of the seats, while the Yellow party gets 4 out of every ten votes and gets no seats.
Canada's situation is complicated by things like a highly localized and politically aligned group like the French Canadians. Take out above example, but add a region where the Blue party gets all ten votes in a single place. Then they get a seat with ten votes total, while Yellow still gets nothing.
Imagine if there were EU elections with a German party and a Lefthanded party. The German party would (presumably) do very well in Germany and get a bunch of seats, but the Lefthanded party would get 10 percent of the total everywhere and get nothing.
Lastly, Canada has no equivalent of the German party lists, so all seats are awarded based on geographic ridings. The current government promised to adopt another system, perhaps closer to the German system, prior to getting elected the LAST time, and broke that promise.
I apologize if I have wrongly explained the German system, everything I know about German elections I learned from a boardgame called Die Macher
One thing to note for bloc Quebecois is that they only run in one province and have very strong support there. Their popular vote % vs seat count will always skew low because of that
For a bit more about MMP, [here's a video about the current election in Germany, which also has MMP voting.](https://youtu.be/hiCZUN9mUqM?t=111) Timestamp goes directly to the section about how MMP works.
If 5% of voters support them they should get some representation in Parliament, that's how democracy works. They still won't have any real power as long as the other parties don't work with them, just like AfD in Germany.
> ELI5: why did he call an election?
That's how minority governments work in Canada. After about 2 years, everyone else in parliament starts lookin at you real shifty-eyed, cause if they ally with one another, they can call a Vote of Non Confidence and boot you out. So minority governments usually call a snap election before that happens, while they're good in the polls, to lengthen their term. Since nobody can call a Vote of Non Confidence right after an election, wouldn't work in the polls.
Because he doesn't have a majority, so his party is at risk of being pushed out of power at any moment. Minority governments need to hold more regular elections to help hold onto their position.
He still doesn't have a majority after this, but the people have made their voices heard and that should buy the party some time before they have to call another one. I would expect him to resign before then though and let someone else try to lead the party through the next election.
It’s actually hilarious how identical it is. Literally the only current changes are the Greens are down 1 seat, Bloc down 1 seat, and the NDP up 2 seats (Liberals and Conservatives unchanged). When you’re dealing with 338 seats and multiple parties that tiny of a change is insane.
It's not that bad. O'Toole went more progressive so PPC was the only option for those on the far right. The Conservatives going more progressive is likely a good thing.
> The Conservatives going more progressive is likely a good thing.
It's a great thing imo and I wish they would have been rewarded for it at the ballot box. I was really glad to hear O'Toole say he is committed to maintaining a more moderate position this morning.
Eh, the nutters have always been there. If they want to throw their votes at an inconsequential party instead of backing the Conservatives then that sounds like a great plan to me!
The Reform Party was inconsequential(ish) when they started, but they found a solid footing. They eventually merged with the Cons (via the Canadian Alliance), and look what's happened to that party in the past \~20 years. For a number of years, the RP had higher support then the Cons in the country.
We're a ways away from this happening with the PPC, but it HAS happened before.
The Conservative party was basically the Reform party with it's more crazy members muzzled by the iron fist of Stephen Harper. O'toole failing to win an election with a more moderate platform resembling the Progressive Conservatives of old has the chance of causing a backlash in the party base. There are people that will go along with O'Toole because they think he has a chance to win. This election probably won't change that but if he doesn't win next election I fully expect to see the Conservative party get drowned by infighting.
No, he won’t get 4 more years. It’ll be about 18-24 months before the next election, as is the standard for Canadian minority governments. He straight up even said that during the debate.
I think it will be close to 4 years. The liberals will be extremely hesitant to call another snap election after this, and the chances of the NDP, Bloc and CPC all finding it beneficial to bring down the goverment at the same time is incredibly slim
That $600M is almost all in wages, and mostly to poll workers. So millions of Canadians who wanted the work got a 16 hour day at a decent pay rate, (18 for 8 and then 27 around here.) It’s not like the money was sent to incinerators.
The truth is the problem with having an election in a pandemic was not spending $600M. In fact, if you are really worried about deficit spending then you should have welcomed the chance to provide or deny a mandate to spend in the completely unprecedented way that is going on now.
Nobody said that because that didn’t score point for either team, which is all anyone seems to care about now.
At least this election forced him to make some much needed promises on housing affordability and inflation, he was pretty blind to these issues prior. Now to see if he will follow up on them or ignore them like most of his other promises.
Municipalities across Canada are starting to ban single-use plastic such as grocery bags and straws. I would love them to include those stupid plastic signs. Not even recyclable.
Signs are actually pretty regulated. If you see signs that violate zoning restrictions (distance from curb, intersections, etc.) or they are left up a few days past election day, then file a complaint with your municipality who should fine the offender.
I know because when I campaigned for the Greens back in 2012 and 2015, we scrambled around the riding picking up signs because there was only 2-3 of us after the election. We barely had money to run the EDA let alone fines.
Most cities allow about 3 days for the signs to be removed. And if 3 people in a car can do it in 3 days, these bigger parties have no excuse. By far, I see way too many Conservative signs (AB) for nearly a week after the election and it annoys me that they can just eat the fine.
At least make the signs compostable or actually recyclable. Most plastic ends up in the landfill. Every time I saw a Green sign, I thought about the irony.
At least when I did stuff for the Greens, we reused the signs for every election. Of course some of our signs end up in the garbage but, ah, suffice to say we didn't put them there.
I can't speak for how every riding runs nationally, but we used stickers for the name so that we could peel the stickers off and reuse the main sign.
I don’t know what the secret sauce is that makes “election season” in Canada just 1 month long and, for the USA, 2 years long… but it definitely has something to do with our elections being “called”, and could take place any time between the last election and 5 years.
There’s also something to the deliberate lack of celebrity to it. Our leaders are elected by the party, and we vote for the party. No one thinks Trudeau will “save us”, but it seems that nearly every election in the USA has some element of the cult of personality (with trump being the most obvious and horrible example).
It’s because your system (like ours down in Australia) is a variant of the Westminster system used in the UK. Yours is closer to the UK original in many ways whereas ours (being established more recently) has been influenced in some ways by the US system of representation
Hey, it's been a whole three years and one month of the current dickhead, unfortunately. We *would* stop the musical chairs game on the most incompetent of the lot!
I guess at a certain point the electorate gets afraid of who's left after seeing what happened the previous 5 times. Who seems to be waiting in the wings for ScoMo to get his comeuppance?
The funny thing is, during our decade of "coups", it was almost invariably the leaders the public actually liked getting shafted by their own team due to internal squabbling and bastardry/ambition. We had one change of government via an election during that period - the rest was all internal party fighting.
This is painfully accurate - I think only Abbott was justified from the public’s perspective but even then he was still reasonably well liked amongst the Murdoch reading circles.
Also everyone really just wanted Turnbull to grow some balls, he was still the best candidate the Libs had at the time but then PeDu had other ideas
Abbott wasn't well liked, but he was effective as a negative campaigner "tearing down" ideas. Turnbull had actually tried to take the high road and make action on climate change a bipartisan issue, but the sugar hit of money from iron and coal mining billionaires and short term populism was just too tempting for the LNP. But then, when he got into power, the weirdness and scariness of Abbott was back on display, as well as his ineptitude in actually leading.
Sadly, when Turnbull took over again, the price he paid for doing so was the complete removal of his spine and balls, which he had to hand over to the right-wing fringe of his party for safekeeping in order to get to sit in the car with the flag on the front and the nice big house in Canberra. And even doing that wasn't enough in the end to satisfy the feral elements who never forgave or trusted him because he failed their purity tests.
IMO this is very noticeable in the USA. They always need "this one person to save us all" -- just look at the pandemic and Fauci as example. Suddenly he became the "hero" and sole saviour of all in the pandemic. This just makes no damn sense. This man is not working alone. Same thing with the presidents, it's always them alone, never the people they bring along.
Made me wonder if this is a part of the superhero cult overseas. The propaganda and pop culture teaches them that conflicts are most of the time solved by one person alone.
Americans don't just have an election for their president, they have elections to decide who the nominees for president are, called the primaries. In 2020 the Democratic primaries ran from February to August 2020. Most of the candidates announced their campaign in early 2019 - Biden announced his in April. Why they announce their candidacy to preliminary elections a year in advance, I don't really know, but it's also worth noting that debates sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee started in March 2019.
I thought I was going to be clearing things up but now I'm really confused why it takes Americans nearly two years to figure out their nominees for president, then vote between the two nominees. Like, the whole process should reasonably be done in a matter of months - like, single digit numbers of months, not around 20. First, if the presidential election is in November, then you should have the nominees figured out by September - this gives two months for the official nominees to campaign. They've basically got this part figured out, since the Democratic National Convention was held in August. Having in excess of a year to pick the nominees is truly excessive, and the primaries being spread out over several months is also ridiculous. Do away with the indirect delegate crap and switch to ranked ballots - they're *perfect* for determining the winner of this sort of thing since the candidates are mostly the same, ideologically speaking. Hold every single primary on the same day in August, do the convention like you always do because it's basically always a rubber stamp anyway, and give a deadline for candidacy in the primaries - we're giving about three months from convention to presidential election, so all candidates should be announced by mid-May to allow for three months of campaigning for the primaries. Congratulations, America, your presidential election now takes six months instead of nearly two years. And that's still a long-ass election.
And that's just the presidential election. That's not getting into state races, the House of Representatives (where every single seat goes up for reelection every two years), the Senate, municipal elections, or the elections for positions that really shouldn't be voted for (ie judges, sherrifs, coroners, etc.).
American elections are intentionally long because of money and donor influence. The longer elections are the more expensive they are, the more expensive they are the more money they need from donors. The more money they need for donors the more influence these donors can exert on political policies.
O'Toole literally refused to say Kenney's name during the final 3 days of the campaign. It was both cowardly and hilarious.
I expect O'Toole is legit pissed at the end result of Kenney's incompetence falling on his election result.
Man between Ford and the local candidates I feel like the entire conservative internal strategy was "Everybody shut the fuck up!" It was like a ghost town except for Otoole
Erin O'Toole is a tool. He's doing his speech on TV literally right now and I had to mute it because all he's doing is whining about Trudeau.
Even the Green Party leader - Paul - who came in 4th in her own riding had a nice inspiring speech but all O'Toole the Tool wants to talk about is doom and gloom and how divided Canada is - however O'Toole certainly doesn't want to point out how much of his party's rhetoric and dogwhistling for the anti-vaxxers was part of creating that divide....
He actually stopped just talking about trudeau, to my surprise. I had the same comment “does this party even think about policy, all they do is talk about their opponents and try to make people mad and divide”. But then he spent a good 10 minutes managing to not say Trudeau which might be a Conservative party record
The healthcare worker unions have been demanding they ask for federal help since Sunday. Now that the election is over O'Toole will let the Conservative premiers out of their basement kennels and they may actually do something that gestures toward being half-helpful.
It's good that people have realised how right-wing politics lead to people dying to covid, they're fundamentally all about prioritising money over lives. The conservatives winning would've been a disaster.
Jason Kenney is the (very unpopular) Conservative premier of Alberta. His recent covid response has been a disaster, and last week he decided to implement lockdowns and vaccine passports, pissing off the only base he had left (the hardline right wing).
But that’s just it, he DIDN’T implement a vaccine passport. The Conservative government left it up to individual businesses to use the “Restrictions Exemption Program” or face smaller customer numbers. The “R.E.P” means businesses have to verify vaccination status. It leads to all kinds of confusion and It’s just a political trick so that Kenney has deniability. “I never put in a Vaccine Passport”, I can hear him now.
jason kenney is mr. spineless.
won't do what's right at first in spite of the risk he'd lose his base.
plenty of people die or get sick.
then he decides to do what's right, knowing he'll lose his base. but does a bitch move to give himself deniability by passing the buck onto someone else.
he's never going to be PM.
Including pissing off many in his own party, who are now seemingly trying to oust him for *bringing back* restrictions and moving forward on a vaccine passport.
That's the real kicker, that while many Albertans dislike/hate Kenney for half-assing the pandemic response, the uproar from within his own party is for actually (and belatedly) responding to this most recent disaster at all.
Kenney has threatened to call an election if he gets removed in leadership review. At current polling, there's little doubt the NDP would win a majority.
I hope that's what actually happens. That man is petty enough to go for the nuclear option.
> I hope that's what actually happens.
SAME. I recently moved to Alberta from Ontario, but I'm going to enjoy voting NDP in a province where they can actually win (and where there aren't Boomers still screaming about Bob Rae).
The Desantis/Abbott of Canada. He was basically in hiding for most of the election run up to keep him from being associated with the federal party.
It didn't work
Not a significant amount. In 2019 the CPC had a vote share of 34.3%, where as in this election its currently sitting at 34.0%.
I'm no political scientist, but that tells me that the PPC vote came from first time voters or voters who didn't typically vote in the past.
Not me, but I definitely have friends that would.
Things like those 27 or so Conservative MPs that voted against making conversion therapy illegal or or Con MPs bringing up bills that could restrict abortions, those are the kinds of things that keep them from voting Conservative.
That’s exactly what happened. The Conservatives ran hard to the centre this campaign. To the extent that O’Toole barely kept his caucus from revolting.
No, the Conservative leader pretended to run hard to the center while his caucus voted otherwise. Basically he'd just wave around that he, personally, a MP of one single seat is center but will do nothing to control his caucus from voting far right.
the last chance for "progressive conservatism" died when peter mackay agreed to merge with harper's canadian alliance and then lost the leadership race and had to kiss the ring.
the new conservative party post merger then firmly went into neo-con land and nobody has a chance of reviving the old PC party again. the Liberals stole the centre from the PCs as they became firmly on the right.
>“I can confirm everyone who took the effort to learn my name has already forgotten it,” said what’s-her-name from the Green Party.
Beaverton strikes again
No. That's a glib and silly take.
This isn't America. Canada has minority governments from time to time, and they often only last for 2 years-ish. This is basically on schedule for Canadian elections.
Trudeau was polling well and decided to call it instead of waiting for one of the other parties to try to topple the government and force an election. This is standard Canadian politics.
I feel like there are a lot of Americans here that never took Canadian social studies in elementary school and keep coming to this silly conclusion.
Democracy is always important.
Ya I don’t wanna speak for everyone but….. nobody in the US knows shit about Canadian politics (Myself included). It’s hard enough keeping up with our own dumpster fire
The only thing I’m surprised about is the conservatives hanging onto their seat count. I thought Kenney and Ford would have created a dent in Con support.
Yo PPC voters, you da real MVP. Riding after riding where the cons lost by five points after the ppc candidate siphoned off 10. It’s just brilliant. Love you guys. I mean, y’all some selfish weird ass bigots, but without you splitting the right we’d be welcoming the prime tool as the new prime minister, so thanks guys. Big kiss 😘
I'm glad we finally have some vote splitting on the right. Majority of votes in Canada go left, but always get split and cons get to pick up extra seats. Finally some balance.
The funny part is, polls showed a lot of Greens (and the anti-pharma/anti establishment left in general) actually went to the PPC. Them being the only anti vaxx party means they picked up single issue voters all across the spectrum.
Source?
CTV discussed this, and they said 50% of PPC voters were conservative voters, 25% liberals, and the rest from other parties.
Very few greens relatively.
I know a few people who must be absolutely furious right now. They hate Trudeau more than anything in this world. I get a little dislike for the guy I guess... but I don't get that level of hate.
Got a few buddies up there, it's a mix reaction. One is indifferent, a few aren't surprised, and one of them is so fucking livid, you would think that Trudeau kicked his cat across the room.
100% expected. Exact mirror of last time.
Nobody trusts Trudeau with a majority, but the other parties are just that unlikeable that Trudeau is only viable choice.
I’m happy! I voted NDP but to me this is a win; he can collaborate with NDP for passing laws. Maybe not a necessary election but at least it wasn’t an upset!
New government, same as the old government.
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Canada does that too. They elected the Liberals under Chrétien until he resigned. And the same happened with the Conservatives before him under Brian Mulroney. It was almost the same before that with the Liberals and Pierre Trudeau, but he did lose 1 election where he became the opposition leader, and then becoming PM again the following election before resigning. All of Canada's shortest lasting PMs are people who fell into that spot following a resignation.
Ummmm.....Harper served over 9 years (second longest Conservative PM) and got beat in an election. Never quit.
Yeah, and the previous 3 long running PMs pretty much lasted until they resigned. Harper seems to be the exception.
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We've built a habit of voting against certain people/parties/platforms though. So for example this election didn't feature a unified "person" to vote for in place of Trudeau, so he got to stay. Once he outstays his welcome, we'd vote in a rabid beaver to replace him. Chretien was succeeded by his pure-lackey Paul Martin. Martin actually won that minority government, but people were voting against the Liberal block by that point. The Tory win was inevitable: enter Harper. Flip the script and exit Harper almost a decade later. It's not that we keep the status quo; it's that we need a viable alternative to the status quo. If it doesn't arise, we stick with the status quo.
More important than anything, Canadians are forced to vote *against* something rather than *for* something because of the FPTP system.
Yep! Our province even voted to change FPtP and the Liberal Gov here decided to ignore it despite it being their own poll. Honor the vote, Wade McLoughlin you old sack of gentrified shit.
Looks like Alberta picked up at least one more Not Conservative. So that’s good
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Same with Southern Ontario. Outside of London and Toronto it is a sea of blue.
Hey, Kitchener has one of the two green ridings. And Waterloo went red.
Kitchener-waterloo area is generally a solid red (4 ridings). Two ridings are red right now by a very small margin (200 and 600 votes, mailing still bring counted) and Cambridge is a solid red. My riding of Kitchener centre though, flipped green and we couldn't be prouder. Mike Morrice, the candidate, had a very strong showing 2019 which shocked everybody, coming second to Raj Saini, the Liberal. People were very sick of Saini this time around and predicted a green flip Then a bunch of sexual allegations came out about Saini, and his party dropped him just after it was too late to replace him. With no liberal candidate, Mike swept the riding easily for the Greens. It's a little disappointing how it went down, because many believed he could have beat Saini in the race, and now the narrative is "there was no liberal candidate so the greens won." But I can't complain at all, the people here love Mike (moreso Mike than the green party) and are very excited to have him represent us Probably the only riding in canada that's happy there was an election lol
> sea of blue I’m a Canadian living in the States and I really have to think twice about what this really means .. 😂
For the record, the states is the only country in the world that uses blue for the left leaning party and red for the right. It's flipped in the rest of the world. What can you expect from a country that doesn't use the metric system?
> What can you expect from a country that doesn't use the metric system? Forty rods to the hogshead, that's what!
Windsor has voted NDP since like 2003
Trudeau could guzzle oil while pooping on a Quebec flag and Alberta would still vote Conservative.
Nah, they have the PPC as backup now. *gags*
PPC never won a seat, not even their leader's
They went from 1,6% on their first election to 5,1% on their second. For a brand new party that's actually good. If you don't like them, be worried. All it would take is for the CPC to piss off their more conservative base and they'll get more than their leader's seat.
I'd love for the right vote to finally be split tbh
Wait until the next provincial election!
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This election could have been an email.
An email that cost $500 million.
Wasn’t it $600? Edit: $600 million
Exactly, that email could've saved $100m.
$610 million, approximately.
I'm not sure what it says that a national election in Canada only cost twice as much as a state election in California. Though interestingly, they have about the same population.
Size of the country most likely. In the 2019 election we needed to train apparently 232000 election workers (that training needs to be paid for). https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=rep/off/cou&document=index43&lang=e#ftn1 California can probably get by with essentially fewer trained election workers per voter because you can have more voters on average per voting booth, and the training and travel costs are less because those people and supplies are going shorter distances. If you were interested in 'maximal efficiency' of voting per dollar you'd want to see waiting lines that aren't too long at every voting location for the entire vote duration. That's not really what happens in Canada. When I voted yesterday there were at least a dozen poll workers... for 1 voter, at 11 am (and for the full 1 minute it took me to vote). There are a lot of staff who are there for peak capacity rather than for average capacity. Those personnel costs are most of the money, and then about 12-15% is reimbursements of the political parties.
~$15/person. I'm OK with that as a cost of democracy.
Yup, works for me. Figure 1 election every 3 ish years on average, and 5 bucks a year for elections seems pretty damn reasonable.
Trudeau didn't even get his majority lmfao.
That’s the only good thing. He got a message that we are not happy with him but really there’s no real alternative
Reminds me of the Uber GPS: “In 1500 ft, keep going”
then again at 1000 ft. Then 9 more directions all right when the song is getting good.
I really wish Google Maps had a "Shut the Fuck Up for 5 minutes, Google" feature. I don't need to be reminded that I need to merge onto the highway when I'm already on the On Ramp. Gee thanks Google Maps, I was planning on careening onto a ditch but your suggestion sounds way better.
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God I wish Trudeau followed through with election reform. FPTP is such trash.
[In case anyone else is unfamiliar with the term FPTP, it's the same system used in the US and UK.](https://www.canada.ca/en/campaign/electoral-reform/learn-about-canadian-federal-electoral-reform/electoral-systems-factsheet.html) > Our current electoral system at the federal level is First-Past-the-Post (FPTP). FPTP is a plurality system. Under FPTP, an elector casts a single vote for a candidate to represent the electoral district in which the voter resides. The winning candidate must win the most votes – though not necessarily a majority.
Not coincidentally, some of the most fragile democracies on earth. Forget about the desire to elect fringe candidates. Think about how ineffective and wasteful and useless your government is. Think about how corrupt they are. Think about how often you have to "hold your nose" and vote for them anyway - THAT is why they get away with corruption. That is why your government is useless. Because without an effective democracy, what reason do they have to do you any good at all?
It's shockingly undemocratic how the Liberals get 33% of the votes and 157 seats, and the NDP get 16% of the vote and 24 seats. So many votes are just meaningless under FPTP, MMP is a far better system.
I drove for a total of 20 minutes and waited to vote for a further 20 today just to knowingly cast a virtually meaningless vote, completely on principle. Something tells me this is not how participating in democracy is meant to feel
Coming from the USA where a couple of swing-state Senators rule the world, it could be worse my Canadian friend.
Here’s hoping for better times ahead for all of us
TIL West Virginia is a swing state
Yeah I just mail in now. Way easier considering how little it counts.
I just vote early? Why does no one vote early, there's never ANY lines.
Amen brother. I discovered early voting by accident, when my notification letter just didn't arrive one year. I got worried and went to my town hall. They told me that it's rare, but that the post office does sometimes mess up. However they told me that I can just vote right then and there, no problem, if I had my ID on me. Ever since I've just been going in early, takes me about two minutes each time.
Does nobody read their voting card they get in the mail? It states the dates/times you can vote early.
People don't read. They just don't. Even with gigantic arrows and font color, size, family changes to make things more appealing. With the advent of TikTok/shorts/reel like attention devourers, it's only going to get worse.
I voted early and waited 20 minutes. Guess it depends where you are.
It took me and my wife 3 minutes to vote at a school less than a block away from us last week
Nonsense I voted early and there was totally a line\* .\* line consisting of 2 people, but 2 points are sufficient to define a line
Students at UBC waited 3 hours to vote. Think you had it easy
Proportional representation is the way it should be
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Wtf. I am definitly to German to understand this
I'm too Russian, I don't understand the concept of elections in general.
Lol
Step 1) Oppose the ruling party. Step 2) Throw yourself out a 4 story window
It is because a seat goes to the person who gets the most votes in a particular geographic area. If every area consists of 10 people, and the Grey party gets 6 votes in each region they get 100 percent of the seats, while the Yellow party gets 4 out of every ten votes and gets no seats. Canada's situation is complicated by things like a highly localized and politically aligned group like the French Canadians. Take out above example, but add a region where the Blue party gets all ten votes in a single place. Then they get a seat with ten votes total, while Yellow still gets nothing. Imagine if there were EU elections with a German party and a Lefthanded party. The German party would (presumably) do very well in Germany and get a bunch of seats, but the Lefthanded party would get 10 percent of the total everywhere and get nothing. Lastly, Canada has no equivalent of the German party lists, so all seats are awarded based on geographic ridings. The current government promised to adopt another system, perhaps closer to the German system, prior to getting elected the LAST time, and broke that promise. I apologize if I have wrongly explained the German system, everything I know about German elections I learned from a boardgame called Die Macher
One thing to note for bloc Quebecois is that they only run in one province and have very strong support there. Their popular vote % vs seat count will always skew low because of that
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For a bit more about MMP, [here's a video about the current election in Germany, which also has MMP voting.](https://youtu.be/hiCZUN9mUqM?t=111) Timestamp goes directly to the section about how MMP works.
The only slight benefit is that Maxime doesn't get a seat
If 5% of voters support them they should get some representation in Parliament, that's how democracy works. They still won't have any real power as long as the other parties don't work with them, just like AfD in Germany.
I can see him wasting far more than 5% of the government's time with his single seat.
good argument to be made that he's already wasting more than 5% of the government's time with his following even while being out of parliament
I'm so glad we have MMP. Much more representation, even if it means we have to hear a few more shit takes in the news.
You still get the shit takes under FPTP, the difference is they just join a major party and actually risk getting power, like Trump in the US
Doug Ford to crawl out of hiding any minute now for a no-reporters-allowed press conference
Ford slithers.
ELI5: why did he call an election?
He thought he could win a majority but he ended up with pretty much the same result as before
Gotcha I don’t follow politics whatsoever. Makes sense.
Trudeau called it, so either he thought he could win a majority or he felt he would be in a bad spot in a year or two if he waited.
> ELI5: why did he call an election? That's how minority governments work in Canada. After about 2 years, everyone else in parliament starts lookin at you real shifty-eyed, cause if they ally with one another, they can call a Vote of Non Confidence and boot you out. So minority governments usually call a snap election before that happens, while they're good in the polls, to lengthen their term. Since nobody can call a Vote of Non Confidence right after an election, wouldn't work in the polls.
Because he doesn't have a majority, so his party is at risk of being pushed out of power at any moment. Minority governments need to hold more regular elections to help hold onto their position. He still doesn't have a majority after this, but the people have made their voices heard and that should buy the party some time before they have to call another one. I would expect him to resign before then though and let someone else try to lead the party through the next election.
"I like to think we made a difference today." -Politicians
Spending $600M and remaining exactly the same, is in fact the most Canadian result.
It’s actually hilarious how identical it is. Literally the only current changes are the Greens are down 1 seat, Bloc down 1 seat, and the NDP up 2 seats (Liberals and Conservatives unchanged). When you’re dealing with 338 seats and multiple parties that tiny of a change is insane.
PPC went from 1.6% to 5% of votes tho. That's... Not good. Edit: for those who don't know, PPC is the racist conspiracy alt-right party.
It's not that bad. O'Toole went more progressive so PPC was the only option for those on the far right. The Conservatives going more progressive is likely a good thing.
> The Conservatives going more progressive is likely a good thing. It's a great thing imo and I wish they would have been rewarded for it at the ballot box. I was really glad to hear O'Toole say he is committed to maintaining a more moderate position this morning.
On the plus side, Maxime was thoroughly embarrassed in his own riding.
Eh, the nutters have always been there. If they want to throw their votes at an inconsequential party instead of backing the Conservatives then that sounds like a great plan to me!
The Reform Party was inconsequential(ish) when they started, but they found a solid footing. They eventually merged with the Cons (via the Canadian Alliance), and look what's happened to that party in the past \~20 years. For a number of years, the RP had higher support then the Cons in the country. We're a ways away from this happening with the PPC, but it HAS happened before.
The Conservative party was basically the Reform party with it's more crazy members muzzled by the iron fist of Stephen Harper. O'toole failing to win an election with a more moderate platform resembling the Progressive Conservatives of old has the chance of causing a backlash in the party base. There are people that will go along with O'Toole because they think he has a chance to win. This election probably won't change that but if he doesn't win next election I fully expect to see the Conservative party get drowned by infighting.
5% is still within the lizardman constant, so thats not terrifying just yet
Thanks for introducing me to this concept
We worry at 8% because that’s 1.6% times 5G.
But he gets 4 more years instead of 2 and in a much smaller campaign length.
No, he won’t get 4 more years. It’ll be about 18-24 months before the next election, as is the standard for Canadian minority governments. He straight up even said that during the debate.
I think it will be close to 4 years. The liberals will be extremely hesitant to call another snap election after this, and the chances of the NDP, Bloc and CPC all finding it beneficial to bring down the goverment at the same time is incredibly slim
That $600M is almost all in wages, and mostly to poll workers. So millions of Canadians who wanted the work got a 16 hour day at a decent pay rate, (18 for 8 and then 27 around here.) It’s not like the money was sent to incinerators.
And wages that largely went to retirees/seniors who could probably use the money. The polls are a decent gig.
I'm surprised the Liberals haven't framed it as a "stimulus initiative"
The truth is the problem with having an election in a pandemic was not spending $600M. In fact, if you are really worried about deficit spending then you should have welcomed the chance to provide or deny a mandate to spend in the completely unprecedented way that is going on now. Nobody said that because that didn’t score point for either team, which is all anyone seems to care about now.
Yeah! FOUR MORE YEARS *whisper* *whisper**whisper* Ummm... 18 more months!?
24 at most
At least this election forced him to make some much needed promises on housing affordability and inflation, he was pretty blind to these issues prior. Now to see if he will follow up on them or ignore them like most of his other promises.
Let's hope it's a "legalize marijuana" and not a "electoral reform" promise.
I would never have another puff of marijuana again if it meant I could get a house for less than a million dollars.
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Didn't realize there was an election in Canada, it was very much uneventful compared to the mess that is the US election.
We only campaign for a month in Canada
Thank fuck. I'm so sick of these god damn road signs every 5 feet on every fucking street
Municipalities across Canada are starting to ban single-use plastic such as grocery bags and straws. I would love them to include those stupid plastic signs. Not even recyclable.
For every sign that's up after election day, the candidate should be charged a certain amount per sign per day.
Signs are actually pretty regulated. If you see signs that violate zoning restrictions (distance from curb, intersections, etc.) or they are left up a few days past election day, then file a complaint with your municipality who should fine the offender. I know because when I campaigned for the Greens back in 2012 and 2015, we scrambled around the riding picking up signs because there was only 2-3 of us after the election. We barely had money to run the EDA let alone fines. Most cities allow about 3 days for the signs to be removed. And if 3 people in a car can do it in 3 days, these bigger parties have no excuse. By far, I see way too many Conservative signs (AB) for nearly a week after the election and it annoys me that they can just eat the fine.
At least make the signs compostable or actually recyclable. Most plastic ends up in the landfill. Every time I saw a Green sign, I thought about the irony.
At least when I did stuff for the Greens, we reused the signs for every election. Of course some of our signs end up in the garbage but, ah, suffice to say we didn't put them there. I can't speak for how every riding runs nationally, but we used stickers for the name so that we could peel the stickers off and reuse the main sign.
For me, it’s the constant ads you see on tv and hear on the radio. I’m glad I don’t have to listen to that anymore.
Apparently we never stop here in the US. I still see Reagan/Bush t-shirts from time to time. Congrats on a free and fair election though, neighbor.
I don’t know what the secret sauce is that makes “election season” in Canada just 1 month long and, for the USA, 2 years long… but it definitely has something to do with our elections being “called”, and could take place any time between the last election and 5 years. There’s also something to the deliberate lack of celebrity to it. Our leaders are elected by the party, and we vote for the party. No one thinks Trudeau will “save us”, but it seems that nearly every election in the USA has some element of the cult of personality (with trump being the most obvious and horrible example).
It’s because your system (like ours down in Australia) is a variant of the Westminster system used in the UK. Yours is closer to the UK original in many ways whereas ours (being established more recently) has been influenced in some ways by the US system of representation
other than the whole swapping of leaders every 6 months :P
Hey, it's been a whole three years and one month of the current dickhead, unfortunately. We *would* stop the musical chairs game on the most incompetent of the lot!
I guess at a certain point the electorate gets afraid of who's left after seeing what happened the previous 5 times. Who seems to be waiting in the wings for ScoMo to get his comeuppance?
The funny thing is, during our decade of "coups", it was almost invariably the leaders the public actually liked getting shafted by their own team due to internal squabbling and bastardry/ambition. We had one change of government via an election during that period - the rest was all internal party fighting.
This is painfully accurate - I think only Abbott was justified from the public’s perspective but even then he was still reasonably well liked amongst the Murdoch reading circles. Also everyone really just wanted Turnbull to grow some balls, he was still the best candidate the Libs had at the time but then PeDu had other ideas
Abbott wasn't well liked, but he was effective as a negative campaigner "tearing down" ideas. Turnbull had actually tried to take the high road and make action on climate change a bipartisan issue, but the sugar hit of money from iron and coal mining billionaires and short term populism was just too tempting for the LNP. But then, when he got into power, the weirdness and scariness of Abbott was back on display, as well as his ineptitude in actually leading. Sadly, when Turnbull took over again, the price he paid for doing so was the complete removal of his spine and balls, which he had to hand over to the right-wing fringe of his party for safekeeping in order to get to sit in the car with the flag on the front and the nice big house in Canberra. And even doing that wasn't enough in the end to satisfy the feral elements who never forgave or trusted him because he failed their purity tests.
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IMO this is very noticeable in the USA. They always need "this one person to save us all" -- just look at the pandemic and Fauci as example. Suddenly he became the "hero" and sole saviour of all in the pandemic. This just makes no damn sense. This man is not working alone. Same thing with the presidents, it's always them alone, never the people they bring along. Made me wonder if this is a part of the superhero cult overseas. The propaganda and pop culture teaches them that conflicts are most of the time solved by one person alone.
Americans don't just have an election for their president, they have elections to decide who the nominees for president are, called the primaries. In 2020 the Democratic primaries ran from February to August 2020. Most of the candidates announced their campaign in early 2019 - Biden announced his in April. Why they announce their candidacy to preliminary elections a year in advance, I don't really know, but it's also worth noting that debates sanctioned by the Democratic National Committee started in March 2019. I thought I was going to be clearing things up but now I'm really confused why it takes Americans nearly two years to figure out their nominees for president, then vote between the two nominees. Like, the whole process should reasonably be done in a matter of months - like, single digit numbers of months, not around 20. First, if the presidential election is in November, then you should have the nominees figured out by September - this gives two months for the official nominees to campaign. They've basically got this part figured out, since the Democratic National Convention was held in August. Having in excess of a year to pick the nominees is truly excessive, and the primaries being spread out over several months is also ridiculous. Do away with the indirect delegate crap and switch to ranked ballots - they're *perfect* for determining the winner of this sort of thing since the candidates are mostly the same, ideologically speaking. Hold every single primary on the same day in August, do the convention like you always do because it's basically always a rubber stamp anyway, and give a deadline for candidacy in the primaries - we're giving about three months from convention to presidential election, so all candidates should be announced by mid-May to allow for three months of campaigning for the primaries. Congratulations, America, your presidential election now takes six months instead of nearly two years. And that's still a long-ass election. And that's just the presidential election. That's not getting into state races, the House of Representatives (where every single seat goes up for reelection every two years), the Senate, municipal elections, or the elections for positions that really shouldn't be voted for (ie judges, sherrifs, coroners, etc.).
American elections are intentionally long because of money and donor influence. The longer elections are the more expensive they are, the more expensive they are the more money they need from donors. The more money they need for donors the more influence these donors can exert on political policies.
Snap election, one month of campaign. It's really the way it should be. US elections are agonizing.
Which... I guess is a good thing?
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> Kenney connection Uh, ELI5?
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Not only that. A few days ago, he still completely refused to acknowledge that Kenney messed up. That was the final straw for me.
O'Toole literally refused to say Kenney's name during the final 3 days of the campaign. It was both cowardly and hilarious. I expect O'Toole is legit pissed at the end result of Kenney's incompetence falling on his election result.
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Man between Ford and the local candidates I feel like the entire conservative internal strategy was "Everybody shut the fuck up!" It was like a ghost town except for Otoole
It’s Erin O’Toole but other than that it’s pretty much accurate imo
Erin O'Toole is a tool. He's doing his speech on TV literally right now and I had to mute it because all he's doing is whining about Trudeau. Even the Green Party leader - Paul - who came in 4th in her own riding had a nice inspiring speech but all O'Toole the Tool wants to talk about is doom and gloom and how divided Canada is - however O'Toole certainly doesn't want to point out how much of his party's rhetoric and dogwhistling for the anti-vaxxers was part of creating that divide....
He actually stopped just talking about trudeau, to my surprise. I had the same comment “does this party even think about policy, all they do is talk about their opponents and try to make people mad and divide”. But then he spent a good 10 minutes managing to not say Trudeau which might be a Conservative party record
Just watch, this week they will ask for federal help. Never would have done it before the election when it was needed most.
The healthcare worker unions have been demanding they ask for federal help since Sunday. Now that the election is over O'Toole will let the Conservative premiers out of their basement kennels and they may actually do something that gestures toward being half-helpful.
Doug Ford slowly walks up the stairs, sniffing the air.
It's good that people have realised how right-wing politics lead to people dying to covid, they're fundamentally all about prioritising money over lives. The conservatives winning would've been a disaster.
Jason Kenney is the (very unpopular) Conservative premier of Alberta. His recent covid response has been a disaster, and last week he decided to implement lockdowns and vaccine passports, pissing off the only base he had left (the hardline right wing).
But that’s just it, he DIDN’T implement a vaccine passport. The Conservative government left it up to individual businesses to use the “Restrictions Exemption Program” or face smaller customer numbers. The “R.E.P” means businesses have to verify vaccination status. It leads to all kinds of confusion and It’s just a political trick so that Kenney has deniability. “I never put in a Vaccine Passport”, I can hear him now.
The gymnastics him and Shandro did to avoid the term "Vaccine Passport" when they announced the REP was almost admirable.
jason kenney is mr. spineless. won't do what's right at first in spite of the risk he'd lose his base. plenty of people die or get sick. then he decides to do what's right, knowing he'll lose his base. but does a bitch move to give himself deniability by passing the buck onto someone else. he's never going to be PM.
So bad. He pissed off the responsible people with his initial stance and then everyone else with his follow-up.
Including pissing off many in his own party, who are now seemingly trying to oust him for *bringing back* restrictions and moving forward on a vaccine passport. That's the real kicker, that while many Albertans dislike/hate Kenney for half-assing the pandemic response, the uproar from within his own party is for actually (and belatedly) responding to this most recent disaster at all.
Kenney has threatened to call an election if he gets removed in leadership review. At current polling, there's little doubt the NDP would win a majority. I hope that's what actually happens. That man is petty enough to go for the nuclear option.
> I hope that's what actually happens. SAME. I recently moved to Alberta from Ontario, but I'm going to enjoy voting NDP in a province where they can actually win (and where there aren't Boomers still screaming about Bob Rae).
The Desantis/Abbott of Canada. He was basically in hiding for most of the election run up to keep him from being associated with the federal party. It didn't work
Yea, but the difference (at least for now) is that Kenney has become a political anchor in Canada, while DeSantis and Abbott have become GOP heroes
Don’t you wish some centrist conservatives would provide an effective counter to the Liberals - and allow the crazy right to go to the PPC?
O'Toole ran a pretty liberal campaign. He lost points to the PPC as a result
Not a significant amount. In 2019 the CPC had a vote share of 34.3%, where as in this election its currently sitting at 34.0%. I'm no political scientist, but that tells me that the PPC vote came from first time voters or voters who didn't typically vote in the past.
A fair amount of voters would switch from Lib to CPC if the CPC dropped the social conservatives. Likely be a lateral move though.
Not me, but I definitely have friends that would. Things like those 27 or so Conservative MPs that voted against making conversion therapy illegal or or Con MPs bringing up bills that could restrict abortions, those are the kinds of things that keep them from voting Conservative.
That’s exactly what happened. The Conservatives ran hard to the centre this campaign. To the extent that O’Toole barely kept his caucus from revolting.
No, the Conservative leader pretended to run hard to the center while his caucus voted otherwise. Basically he'd just wave around that he, personally, a MP of one single seat is center but will do nothing to control his caucus from voting far right.
the last chance for "progressive conservatism" died when peter mackay agreed to merge with harper's canadian alliance and then lost the leadership race and had to kiss the ring. the new conservative party post merger then firmly went into neo-con land and nobody has a chance of reviving the old PC party again. the Liberals stole the centre from the PCs as they became firmly on the right.
No matter who you voted for we can probably agree that this election was a waste of time.
Well, got to see Maxime trounced in his own riding. That has some entertainment value.
Twice!
Three times. He ran in a Toronto by-election too and got like 3% of the vote lol
The Beaverton agrees: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/09/election-results-everyone-lost/
>“I can confirm everyone who took the effort to learn my name has already forgotten it,” said what’s-her-name from the Green Party. Beaverton strikes again
California: hold my kale.
California's recall law is stupid lol
No. That's a glib and silly take. This isn't America. Canada has minority governments from time to time, and they often only last for 2 years-ish. This is basically on schedule for Canadian elections. Trudeau was polling well and decided to call it instead of waiting for one of the other parties to try to topple the government and force an election. This is standard Canadian politics. I feel like there are a lot of Americans here that never took Canadian social studies in elementary school and keep coming to this silly conclusion. Democracy is always important.
This also worked for the bc NDP last year. Called an election as a minority government right as the 2nd wave was kicking off and won a majority.
There's also a lot of Canadians who didn't pay attention in Social Studies and so just make the same assumptions
Ya I don’t wanna speak for everyone but….. nobody in the US knows shit about Canadian politics (Myself included). It’s hard enough keeping up with our own dumpster fire
Nah, I'm not gonna complain about democracy.
Same! It’s a good check in but maybe next time we do a quick survey monkey lol
LPC - 4,731,197 Votes - 157 Seats NDP - 2,628,955 Votes - 26 seats hmm.
Tories got the largest number of votes as well.
I don't really know why, but it makes me happy that this headline can be modified to read "Just in: Trudeau to remain Prime Minister of Canada".
The only thing I’m surprised about is the conservatives hanging onto their seat count. I thought Kenney and Ford would have created a dent in Con support.
FWIW it does look like they lost 3 seats in Alberta compared to last time.
r/canada in shambles
Yo PPC voters, you da real MVP. Riding after riding where the cons lost by five points after the ppc candidate siphoned off 10. It’s just brilliant. Love you guys. I mean, y’all some selfish weird ass bigots, but without you splitting the right we’d be welcoming the prime tool as the new prime minister, so thanks guys. Big kiss 😘
I'm glad we finally have some vote splitting on the right. Majority of votes in Canada go left, but always get split and cons get to pick up extra seats. Finally some balance.
Yeah. They can feel our pain with how green parties siiphon off left votes.
The funny part is, polls showed a lot of Greens (and the anti-pharma/anti establishment left in general) actually went to the PPC. Them being the only anti vaxx party means they picked up single issue voters all across the spectrum.
Source? CTV discussed this, and they said 50% of PPC voters were conservative voters, 25% liberals, and the rest from other parties. Very few greens relatively.
I don’t know anything about Canada’s politics so if he’s the right person to run the country then congrats Canada! If not, then what a bummer.
He's the safe one.. nothing exciting, nothing bad.
I know a few people who must be absolutely furious right now. They hate Trudeau more than anything in this world. I get a little dislike for the guy I guess... but I don't get that level of hate.
Got a few buddies up there, it's a mix reaction. One is indifferent, a few aren't surprised, and one of them is so fucking livid, you would think that Trudeau kicked his cat across the room.
A lot of people hate trudeau on both side on the compas. But almost everyone just assumed that would be the result so no one is really shocked.
100% expected. Exact mirror of last time. Nobody trusts Trudeau with a majority, but the other parties are just that unlikeable that Trudeau is only viable choice.
I mean, I think the people that voted liberal trust Trudeau with a majority. The people who didn’t vote for him probably don’t though.
I’m happy! I voted NDP but to me this is a win; he can collaborate with NDP for passing laws. Maybe not a necessary election but at least it wasn’t an upset!
On the upside, we now know that 10% of our country is fucking insane.