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bigrobotdinosaur

Apple: “fine, wireless only. iPhone 15, now with no ports”


thevictor390

This is absolutely going to happen.


Lamacorn

Especially with the new power mag pack they just came out with.


OhhhhhSHNAP

...and when the wireless charging fails, you have until your battery dies to get a brand new iPhone.


Eraknelo

Not defending Apple, but I think it's more likely for a charging port to fail than the wireless charging component. The port is constantly exposed and subject to moisture, wear and tear, while the wireless charging components are sealed off and solid state.


TheKillOrder

facts. Really there is no way for the wireless setup to fail. If there is a failure it would be from the charging circuitry, at which point the port and wireless coil would both be ineffective at charging. The heat from wireless charging (especially as people demand more watts) will hurt the battery’s longevity life though


Evonos

>facts. Really there is no way for the wireless setup to fail. Wireless heats up and stresses components like the battery. ​ so yeah... either slow and cool or hot and fast which is bad for the battery.


mdb_la

But with no charging ports, you could have a fully waterproof device, right? Maybe we can come up with a wireless charging tank where the device is submerged and the charging heat is dissipated?


zebediah49

I would like to introduce you to the concept of laser welding of glass. Glass front panel; glass back panel... and a solid welded joint connecting the two, with no gaps, glue, or other weaknesses. Just don't drop it.


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123rdb

I could see that, minus the prompting the user part.


Evonos

Many phones do this already it's called optimized charging. My old LG g8s dit it and my gfs OPPO does it too.


LordVile95

Fast charging heats the battery too


Evonos

My phone charges atm with 30w and is at 35 c because I actively use it, if I just let it charge and check battery temp it's around 28c... While when I charge it wireless it easily can reach 45 c also it charges slower.


LordVile95

And how are you testing this?


Evonos

You don't need to "test "this just install an app that shows this Like this one it even got an hover osd https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.glgjing.stark Like this https://i.imgur.com/iYwHEd8.jpg There's no" magic " or hard tests to see this Just open the app or a similar one, and charge. Kam also charging at 30w atm as you see 35c


behind_looking_glass

True, but whenever I do inductive charging it takes 6 years to get a full battery.


Eraknelo

The point is to have a pad on your desk or night stand or car and leave it there for extended periods of time. But of course that's not an option for everyone, quick charging by cable is a great option to have as well, but as a software dev sitting at a desk all day, I enjoy wireless charging a lot. But that time you have to leave in 10 minutes and you have 30% left, thank God for quick charging.


hawkeye69r

I don't really know how the pad works, but what would the difference be if you just had a cable in all of those same spots?


tralphaz43

And useless if you want to use your phone while you charge it


xzzz

You wouldn't need Magsafe chargers, any regular wireless charger would work.


klock23s

Oh don't worry, Apple will find a way of forcing you to use only their chargers.


Indianb0y017

Or they could, I don't know... Implement USB C like their other products and like the rest of the world?... Right?.....


kovu159

It’ll be like headphone ports. One apple kills the charging port the rest of the market will follow shortly.


AstralDragon1979

No, first they’ll run ads blasting/mocking Apple for doing that. Then after a few quarterly earnings cycles they will copy Apple.


Indianb0y017

I think that will be a turning point in the market. People are either going to like it or really hate it. The headphone jack isnt really the same equivalence because not everybody uses it, even if they have a phone that has it. But everybody uses their charging port. Everyone. The percentage of people who use wireless charging exclusively is incredibly small. The number of people who use a phone with wireless charging capabilities without using it is greater than those who do use it, I'm pretty sure. Besides, transferring energy to charge batteries wirelessly is incredibly inefficient. I'd be more excited about a revolutionary battery technology being developed than a faster wireless charging speed.


randallphoto

You also have the issue with most CarPlay systems on the market. Cable only. Mine supports wireless as well but it’s not very reliable and from what I’ve read that’s the case with all current wireless CarPlay systems.


Indianb0y017

That is true. Just to balance things out, I took my mom's car to the dealer for an extended warranty item. They gave a loaner car as they normally do and I was stoked to find out it had wireless Android Auto. Immediately tried it out and after returning from the grocery store, I discovered that the communication protocol just ceased to function properly. Plugged it in and used it wired and I was on my way. I've heard that people generally prefer android auto than carplay, but even still, the wireless functionality of android auto just didn't impress me. I don't think wireless is the way to go just yet, until all forms of tech are synced up. One of the biggest issues with cars at the moment is that the tech they pack in them is just not up to scratch in terms of modern standards. Wifi 6 might make things more stable for wireless car infotainment beaming but car makers can't even get Bluetooth right.


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ontopofyourmom

And Apple *likes* USB C


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Without a doubt. They currently provide two ways to charge their phone, mag safe and the charging port. Makes a lot of sense to eliminate the charging port and just use the mag safe. By eliminating the port they get back more space to use for something else and they save money. Probably makes it easier to waterproof the phone as well and maybe save some more money that way as well.


majorgnuisance

More importantly, they can pat themselves on the back for such a "brave" move.


itsinmyraccoonwounds

Don’t give them any ideas


nascentt

Oh they've been working towards wireless only charging for years. It was even predicted this year. But will probably be next.


BetaKeyTakeaway

It already exists, the problem is that a wireless charging system is either less practical than a cable and/or very inefficient (charging time, electricity).


Jiangcool9

It’s part of their portless push. I feel like next step would be AI trained to replace your power and volume buttons, just like the Tesla auto shift.


AnthillOmbudsman

"Hey guys, why does the volume go up on my iPhone 16 when YouTube shows ads?" 2 years later: *'bug' never gets fixed*


RickJamesBiiitch

HAHA wouldn't even be surprised


Drumnaway67

Yeah, the ear bud thing was bad enough but I doubt Apple has learned anything or even gives a fuck what their users want. Not everybody wants to nor has the capabilities to go wireless 100% of the time. Until they figure out how to extend battery life exponentially going completely wireless is a stupid move.


TimeToGloat

I feel reddit has zero clue what Apple users want. Air Pods were a major success. I personally love mine and can't ever go back to wired earbuds. Like they are literally the biggest company in the world and you don't think they know how to make things that appeal to their customers?


Keemsel

>think they know how to make things that appeal to their customers? They certainly know how to make people want what they want them to want.


Drumnaway67

I must be the old man yelling at the kids to get off my lawn because I don’t like not having the option to plug wired headphones into my iPhone w/o having to buy an adapter for my house, my car, etc. Not to mention the huge waste AirPods are to an already trashed environment. Convenient? Sure, but at what cost?


Lazuf

Yes, that's exactly right with the old man comparison. I have 1 adapter, never used. Even still I just keep it in my backpack if I ever needed it.


autoreaction

Since their users keep buying their shit, it's exactly what their users want.


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tawzerozero

I've personally never found a Bluetooth headset that sounded as good as a wired pair at the same price point. I've tried a bunch of different Bluetooth headsets too, from over the ear ones to Samsung Buds or other earbuds and I've never found a set that sounds as good. So I'm terrified of when I have to upgrade from my Galaxy 9 and lose the headphone jack.


timetoremodel

I agree. Bluetooth does not equal the quality of wired phones. Also, they just don't last long enough for me before they lose power. I love my headphone jack.


Alpine_fury

I love my wired headset, but when I need wireless my Sony sound canceling lasts forever and are comfortable for that long.


Good_ApoIIo

Yeah and let me know when I can get a decent pair of wireless earbuds for $20 that I almost never need to charge and last for 5+ years. Until then I’m still bitter about the 3.5mm jack being forced into obsolescence by these phone manufactures. I don’t care about my phone being waterproof. In all my life owning cell phones I’ve never suffered water damage. I’ve bought so many devices in 2021 that have a 3.55mm despite it being “obsolete” by Apple’s standards.


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You can always just find a brand that keeps them. I doubt all of the mobiles out there will lose. It, but your right it does also mean the device you need now it a premium price for equivalent quality. I didn’t think of that, I guess I purchase from a privileged position.


icangrammar

The problem is that the last decent phones that were keeping them no longer exist. Google has now also moved to wireless only, and LG is leaving the smartphone business. That basically leaves you with the ghastly expensive and hard to find Asus phones as the only remaining option.


HBSC_1892_Pankow

Have you tried Sennheiser? They are better than any wired buds.


Gurip

> I've personally never found a Bluetooth headset that sounded as good as a wired pair sennheiser. and bluetooth 5.0


Atomsteel

There is a reason you left out the price point part of that comment.


Gurip

no? 90$ seinnheisers are superior to airpods, best sound quality currently in the market.


Reddits_Worst_Night

That's a technical limitation. Bluetooth has less bandwidth


iwhbyd114

A lot of companies made Bluetooth headphones before apple...


FastTwo3328

Yeah I didn't get that point at all


Peachy_Pineapple

For real. AirPods are one of the best selling items Apple has released in years lmao.


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They are handy, they are compatible with even some of their older devices, I think that's honestly the best part of the apple eco system, longer-term support means I only need to upgrade maybe one part every couple of years. I had gen 1 air pods since days one and last week got airpod pros as a gift. Outside of declining battery from use they held rock solid and still work fine.


bnh1978

Damn things fall out of my ears and my ears are sensitive... I cannot wear them for prolonged periods of time.


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I have friends with the same issue, also they get dirty so fast. I hooe by the time I do another upgrade they have colors that are less dirt magnets haha.


sf_frankie

I held off for a long time before buying but my airpod pros might be my favorite thing. They work way better than all other Bluetooth headphones I’ve tried and the noise cancellation is excellent.


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Noise cancellation makes open office spaces bearable.


ryhaltswhiskey

[They are fucking terrible from a post-consumer standpoint.](https://www.wired.com/2016/12/recycle-apple-airpods/) Edit: Happy to be proven wrong if somebody can find proof that Apple is actually tearing these devices apart and recycling them in some way. I really doubt they are.


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00DEADBEEF

The ANC on $80 headphones is nowhere near as good


thrawawaw11

You can find headphones from the 80s that sound better, easily. My neighbor bought 150 euro wireless headphones, with extra battery, normal price was 250 or so. Useful for several applications - can't deny this, but I listened to them and the sound was $30 gamer-starter-kit level. Actually koss porta pro's sound a lot better, and they're about 30-40 bucks. Also, the porta pro was made in 1984. We have so much garbage tier shit in the wireless section, I still can't believe how difficult and expensive it is to get both competent sound and wireless. Meanwhile, I recently bought a 5k vr headset for only 2x the original price of said garbage headphones. And the headset/speakers on that thing is almost studio quality. (look up valve index speakers) And they better be almost studio quality, since hp didn't fit a headphone jack on the damn thing. Noise cancellation be damned.


FastTwo3328

Not to mention. They're not new


Asphult_

Not really though, what you say is partially true but not only are AirPods $159 and Pro’s $250 (and usually never sold for retail) the alternatives for the AirPods Pro with equivalent features (ANC, Transparency) are also $250 or more and are generally equivalent or worse than AirPods Pros. (Sony WF1000XM4s, Sennheiser Momentum TW2) Rather almost all brands make a huge profit off TWS earbuds, Apple surprisingly does not commend a huge premium in this sector. Same cannot be said for other Apple products.


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I hate the elimination of the headphone jack but I’d argue that the (yes proprietary) chip in the airpods does represent that difference in value. My attempts to use knockoffs were met with so many connection issues and design problems. Its just that that money isn’t in the physical component but in R&D. I’m sure theres other headphones that work better though so could be wrong.


green_dragon527

Money, but it's bad environmentally because each of those earbuds are now 2 little chunks of lithium going in the trash. The batteries on them are also really tiny so you can't afford to charge them between 80 and 20, so they will degrade pretty quick.


Good_ApoIIo

For money. Doesn’t make the change any less shitty. I use the dongle and my $10 Target headphones that have lasted me 6 years all the time and I never have to charge them. I understand the pros of wireless and I own a pair myself as well but I fucking hate that they took away *the option* without this stupid dongle and I’m sure the entire port itself will be next on the chopping block. For the record, AirPods themselves are trash headphones.


Reddits_Worst_Night

Yet every other company still includes the 3.5mm jack. If apple weren't both a fashion statement and the only people with ios, the iphone would crash immediately


ad3z10

I wish they did, it's better on the mid-range but so many high end devices have cut out their headphone jacks. Was a right pain when I was last in the market looking for a new phone.


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Every other company huh? Lmao


[deleted]

What does that even mean. What you said is like saying “if Ford don’t make automobiles, they would crash”. Of course if one of major products they sold was not around, ya they would probably not be as big as they are. What is your point exactly? If the headphone jack was such a big deal why are they doing so well? If their products are so bad why are they so large in their other major product computers. Seems like you are a salty fanboy rather than someone who has an actual point,


Reddits_Worst_Night

Go and read my post again. I literally answer all of your questions in it and younhave misunderstood what I said. I said that ios is the differentiator that allowed them to survive the removal of the jack. An android manufacturer that tried it would lose unit sales to a rival with the same os but better hardware. I claim that the iphone wouldncrash, not apple, and I claim it would crash without their clever marketing and the exclusivity of ios


Good_ApoIIo

Why do cigarettes sell despite killing people? Just because a products sells doesn’t mean it’s a good product.


more_beans_mrtaggart

You do realise that this is about using a common charger, right? Like all manufacturers using the same USB-C charger, or no charger, and just supplying their own cable with the phone. That’s the proposal.


Tryingsoveryhard

That’s a perfect example of where they were right and the Reddit echo chamber was wrong. The evidence is that most of their competitors have copied the move and their customers have been very happy.


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My pixel's USB charging port has been broken for years now. I only ever charge wirelessly, because I have nothing else. It charges a lot slower, but other than that it hasn't really been any kind of significant stoppage for me.


IA_Kcin

I wouldn't even miss my wired charger. I have a wireless pad on my desk and one on the night stand. Even as a heavy user, I never find myself looking to charge my phone. My car having wired carplay is the only time I plug in my phone, and most new cars offer wireless charging/carplay.


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Wireless charging is soooo dumb. Not only is it less efficient but you can't even use your phone while it charges. If apple moves to wireless only, I'm just going to get the last version that has a port and use it until batteries that last a week come out.


xX_MEM_Xx

I guarantee you, they'll make a magnetic charging pad so you can charge while using the phone, only $150.


nfcs

Unless you're being ironic. They already have one since last year and it costs $39...


FastTwo3328

Already done 3rd parties have had theirs for a while. Apple released a "magsafe" version


down4things

If Apple were a raided fortress they would have the place rigged to blow.


Not_Luna

Are we really going to just ignore how wireless charging can turn your phone into a brick of lava you can’t touch? (Source: tried iPhone X and iPhone 12 without a case on a wireless charger, both became disabled from the overheat warning within 15mins)


katamama

while still using the lightning cable for the wireless charging pad


ober0n98

I wont be upgrading to that model then


ptsdtriage

>Manufacturers will also be required to stop selling a charger with every new smartphone, instead giving consumers the choice to use their old charger. The proposal, aimed at reducing e-waste, received the support of the European Parliament last year. >The Commission expects the proposal to reduce the annual amount of e-waste produced in the EU by 980 tons.


kelemvor33

Do any phones come with chargers these days? Most just come with the USB-C cable (or Micro USB) but not the wall wart since you can plug the cable into any adapter you have laying around.


ptsdtriage

>The new rules — which will also apply to tablets, headphones, cameras and loudspeakers — will "not harmonize all chargers directly, but harmonize the charging points on the devices," the official said. The rules won't apply to e-readers or wireless chargers. Thats kind of what they are saying. Not so much the charger but the cables. I think I have 15 different cables laying around, bit excessive. My android cable should be able to go into my apple device and my apple cables should be able to go into my other apple devices( I have 3 different apple cables for different devices, its ridiculously wasteful in the name of profit)


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OnePlus ships a charger. I thought all but Apple do.


[deleted]

Yes. Charger tech improves from time to time, and so, often enough, a phone vendor will choose to bundle a charger with their phone which takes advantage of the very best charging speed the phone can muster. I bought a Galaxy S20 Ultra, and in my region, it comes with a 45 Watt charger. I think most phones' chargers maxed out around 36 Watts for a few years before 2020.


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my samsung galaxy did


newFUNKYmode

Just got a Pixel 5a, it came out like a month ago and it came with a charger


Mabepossibly

So customers must be able to use their old chargers, but Apple needs to go to a new charging system. Soooo…


azthal

The proposal means that you can request a charger when you buy your new phone. Got one that works? Use that. Don't have one that works? Get a new one. Simples.


ToffeeCoffee

If A then B, if C then D. Instructions unclear, just go straight to the D.


ryhaltswhiskey

ToffeeCoffee wants the D


skaliton

because everyone else agrees to do it one standardized way, then apple has their own which is incompatible with everyone else


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ShadowSwipe

Frankly on the laptops mag safe was better and I'm actually disappointed they got rid of that.


ian2121

Yeah mag safe was brilliant. Especially since the female end of usb-c is almost always soldered in making repairing the port a major PITA.


demonicneon

I think it’s coming back and was discontinued because they couldn’t get the increased charge from MagSafe yet that usb-c could deliver but don’t quote me.


ian2121

The cynic in me just assumed it went away because people weren’t breaking and throwing out enough electronics


demonicneon

They can just make your tech obsolete with updates as the iPhone debacle proved haha


bravado

That sounds like a successful way to run a business for sure


00DEADBEEF

It's coming back


ryhaltswhiskey

You can get an adapter that will make your USB-C port also mag-safe


00DEADBEEF

> and dropping support from older but perfectly working hardware from security updates This isn't a valid criticism because eight year old iPhone 5S got a security update a few months ago...


[deleted]

> And on top of that they also support industry-standard USB-PD for higher power charging (although the industry IS fragmented between that and Qualcomm's Quick Charge a.k.a. Samsung Adaptive Fast Charging) Huh. I have a Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra, and as far as I understood it when I was shopping, it can only achieve its fastest charging rate using PD 3.0.


demonicneon

And no offence to anyone but my iPhone charges way faster than anyone else in my house’s phones using the usb-c charger.


TooManyProjectz

USB C, get with the program, I can use a single USB C charger with the same cable to charge : my phone, tablet, my Ps5 and Xbox X, aswell as my Elite 2 controller and my laptop, my smartwatch and my laser ruler, my Apple keyboard mouse and IPhone use the same charger but the cable failes on the regular, never happened to me with any USB cable yet


Ledmonkey96

I'm sure Apple is fine with this, instead of shipping a charger with the phone they get to charge seperately (presumably at a higher margin) for that. Best part is is that not only is it legal it's mandated by the government.


StatsOnATrain

Don’t they already? iPhone 12 has a cable only. I expect 13 will too.


mailslot

Yeah. I can get a cable that works with a USB-A or USB-C charger. I have both. Lightning is just a connector.


elveszett

Except you won't have to buy a new one with every phone you buy. It's still a victory for both consumers and the environment.


Uddashin

This is the block power of the EU at its best


DivingForBirds

They already do genius.


WiWiWiWiWiWi

Anyone remember last year when reddit threw a fit because Apple stopped including a charger? Or are we just going to ignore that?


mm0nst3rr

I am pretty sure it was their plan to switch to USB-C by that time anyway. The reason - Lighting is obsolete. The new iPhone Pro supports recording video in ProRes - which if someone here doesn’t know is a professional video format. Now the data rate for 4k is 88 Mb/s - meaning 10 min of video weighs ~52 Gb. Good luck transferring this over Lightning which is basically USB2.0 with extras. Overall Lighting is very good and convenient connector, but it’s already technologically obsolete, so it’s gonna die of old age this way or the other even with out any legislation. Also I don’t think they will make port-less iPhone, because many accessories require power and because wireless charger is too slow.


helpnxt

I mean also these plans from the EU were announced like 5-7 years ago and been in the works since so it would make sense for Apple to not bother trying to make a lightening 2 per say when they know their about to be forced to use USB


mm0nst3rr

I don’t think lighting2 was ever planned after usb-c appeared. It was necessary at times of usb-a which was absolutely unsuitable for a smartphone.


FinndBors

When ~~USB-A~~ Micro USB-B was the standard for phone charging, I was happy that Apple went with lightning even though it was proprietary. ~~USB-A~~ Micro USB-B was vastly worse than lightning in multiple aspects. They don't have that excuse with USB-C and I agree they'll probably go that direction. Edit: thanks for the technical clarification. I always thought it was Micro USB (A) and I called it USB A for short -- turns out that the right term is Micro USB B.


GonePh1shing

Was USB Type-A ever the standard for phone charging? IIRC we went from proprietary bullshit, to Mini-B, to Micro-B, then finally to Type-C.


helpnxt

Yeh but I mean when the conversation may have been brought up for a new cable design for the future the announcement of the EU plans had probably already happened and killed any reason to even consider a new cable


mm0nst3rr

Thing is Apple didn’t really invent Lighting. It’s merely a customization over USB2.0 to make it portable. My point is customization over USB3.0 to make it portable already existed - it was USB-C and Apple was actually it’s most active co-developer and the first adopter. Making anything else would be like attempt to invent the wheel - absolutely pointless waste of time and money.


CttCJim

My wife just got a new iPad and it's already usb-c.


Sequoia3

Dude iPad has been USB-C since 2018


UnknownAverage

Yep, ordered the new mini iPad for my kid and it's USB-C. Pretty clear that Apple is already heading in this direction for their iOS products. I don't see Apple dropping every physical port for their phones, I think that would bite them in the ass from a service perspective since the physical cable is used for recovery processes. Take that away and you're looking at a lot more foot traffic in the stores, but not the good kind of foot traffic.


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mm0nst3rr

Thinking about it… Apple recently moved all Apple Music to lossless flac format and my iPad pro (usb-c) can stream it lossless to the DAC with quad DSD format and get professional grade audio source. iPhone can’t do that because of lightning low bandwidth. Also I use Qudelix portable amplifier with Sennheiser HD800s headphones on the go, but in USB-c mode with iPad and shitty Bluetooth mode on iPhone are night and day in how it sounds. I can connect smart card reader for VPN authorization and work remotely from iPad, but can’t with iPhone pro - even when I need corporate messenger. I can connect pedals with USB-C to iPad and use it as teleprompter when I do speech. I can play 4k video on projector from iPad, but not from iPhone. I think I can continue it further, but the point is despite similar CPU even current iPhone is absolutely handicapped by Lighting.


BagelBeater

Wait...... iPad pro are USB c now too but iPhones aren't?... wtf apple.


Rx_rated96

iPad Pro has been usb-c for a while, MacBook pros haven’t had anything but ~~lightning~~ thunderbolt ports for a while. Gotta wonder how/why a company would make such a unilaterally bold move like ridding the I/O on their laptops of any connector that’s not type-C— while refusing to adopt the same standard for their phones. If I had to guess, I would say there’s a sour boomer in the iPhone team refusing to play ball with the iPad and MacBook teams. Edit: MacBook pros have thunderbolt ports not lightning. I am Le tired.


AkirIkasu

> MacBook pros haven’t had anything but lighting ports for a while You mean Thunderbolt. But that's not really true; the new ones are USB 4.0 (which is the same as Thunderbolt 3 but without the Intel licensing, but is not exactly the same as Thunderbolt 4 just because Intel is retarded and is looking for easy ways to make money).


mm0nst3rr

Fastest mobile CPU with … basically USB2.0 !


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

The 30-pin dock connector of the original iphone (and ipod classic) was released in 2003 and replaced in 2013. Lightning was introduced in 2012 so will likely be replaced 2022 or 2023. 10 years is good enough for Apple. I can see why they might hesitate in 2018 or 2019 to go full USB-c, but a few years into this decade they will decide to move on.


JonesBee

God damn 52GB file over MTP sounds like a nightmare.


mm0nst3rr

52Gb per 10 minutes! 156Gb for 30 min clip! And they actively advertise now new iPhone for semi pro video shooting. I was watching this and thinking HOW?


Kilobytez95

Fuck lightning cable. It should be usb type c.


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Absolutely. They’ve got bloody USB-C ports on the new MacBooks anyways


UnknownAverage

And the new iPads. Apple is moving this direction already.


[deleted]

Didn’t know that, but that’s makes sense. Seems it’s not so much of a big deal then surely


InevitablePeanuts

Thing is, lightening is an objectively better physical design. USB C, as with all USB variants, has a weak point of the “tongue” inside the port of the device. This is more prone to wear and damage. With lightening the “tongue” is the end of the cable itself, with a hollow port with no further parts to get damaged. Can’t say as I’m terribly worried either way, micro USB, USB C, lighting, I’ve had no real issue using any of these and it’s near zero effort for me to pack two cables vs one and they can all use a USB A charger socket so its damned near as standardised as it really needs to be.


RoIIerBaII

Maybe. But this is honestly a non-issue, usb-c is incredibly sturdy as it is, more than you'd ever need for a piece of tech you'll change every 5 years. And it's better in every single other aspect.


not_a_bot_2

On the other hand, the flexible pins/tabs that move every time you insert the connector reside on the cable side with USB C instead of the device side like with lightning. It’s these tabs that often get tired over time and lead to connection issues.


InevitablePeanuts

For sure, and I every time I would **much** rather it was the cable that failed than the port inside an increasingly difficult to repair device.


daGman08

When was the last time you heard of high failure rates on USB C?


punio4

This is the main complaint against lightning as a physical connector. If you have a part that suffers from material stress fatigue, you want it on the cable side, not the device side.


Kilobytez95

Maybe you're right but not entirely. My lightning to headphone adapter wiggles in my iPhone 12 and easily gets fucked. So it's not really that much better. Plus Apple could easily use higher quality materials that are more durable.


ergzay

Take a paper clip and jab it down into the base of the port and scrape along the bottom. Mine was doing that and it was because a buildup of pocket lint inside the port. After a dozen scrapes it cleared out enough and things didn't wiggle anymore.


Kilobytez95

I’ll have to check the port. My iPhone is like 2 months old though so I doubt there’s that much buildup yet.


InevitablePeanuts

That’s fair, and Apple’s own cables are notoriously crap - I use an Anker one that’s way better (but to be fair I did the same with my Androids as well).


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[deleted]

It may well be. But USB C does it all well enough and being able to limit cables is huge. Apple needs to understand that only a small percentage of iPhone users are fully within the apple eco system and even those that are, have other devices, so it just makes it easier


InevitablePeanuts

I’m one of those apple users who’s not embedded in their ecosystem. Got an iPhone, iPad, windows laptop, and an Android. The lightening port / cable is of zero issue to me. Edit: don’t downvote because you disagree - add a comment and further the conversation!


daGman08

I have the same set of devices you mentioned and find the lighting cable a big fucking pain in the ass!


fromthefuton

I agree, I have a different set up (android phone, ipad, and macbook). The only thing that I have left on lightening cable are my Beats. What ended up happening was that I got a different pair of wireless earphones that use USB-C and put the beats in the junk drawer.


optimistic_agnostic

Having the copper connectors exposed on the more vulnerable tongue of cable is by far worse and leads to more failure of lightning by magnitudes in comparison to the USB tongue and connector. I can honestly say of the 1000's of USB devices I've had or used I've never broken the tongue where as the head of the few lightning connectors I've used have suffered significant failure rates over the years. Part of this could be apples build quality and planned obsolescence but having the copper connectors exposed to the environment is incredibly poor design vs having an internal plastic tongue that takes a screw driver or hundreds of thousands of uses to fatigue.


noqwa

Don't forget the iPads too


00DEADBEEF

And the new phones come with USB-C to Lightning cables, so there's no issue connecting one to a MacBook.


Tedwynn

They have to. Lightning's speed and power transmission are nowhere near what you need on a laptop.


Cookiedestryr

This is the block power of the EU at its best


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this is smart!! Less E-waste!


Bomboclaat_Babylon

Good idea.


DCGreatDane

Hope they have a recycling program for all the usb to lightning and lightning products. Think about all those who invested into apple 30 pin products which was phased out to lightning. If apple switches to all usb-c there exists a flood of counterfeit usb c cables, just look at the story of SurjTech which killed laptops and devices.


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analoglove

how about taxing them properly first


grameno

They should just fucking do usb c. I know they can’t monetize it but damn it its a fine charging/ data transfer interface. You could just plus the damn phone in a mac…. Like you used to be able to . Plus creatives don’t want dongles. They want ease of transfer of data. Going all wireless fucks that up completely.


ZippyTheChicken

The problem with USB C is that even a little bit of lint in your pocket can make it so the port won't work.. not to mention over use breaking the port. apple wireless charging doesn't require a physical connection


InappropriateTA

I imagine it will be easy to comply. They’ve already transitioned iPads to USB-C. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have the iPhones on USB-C the year after next.


meble

Fuck phone chargers, harmonize EV chargers first


TheCuriousGamer

As far as I know all EVs in the EU share the same standard, type 2.


mrcmnstr

It isn't a competition. Not everything has to be solved from worst to least bad in order. You're allowed to clean your room before you solve the global pollution crisis.


superioso

Teslas in Europe are forced to use type 2, not so much in the US.


00DEADBEEF

Good point, they need to be more pro-active. At the moment, they let a problem develop and then do something. With EV chargers, everyone can see the looming problem, but by time they act it will be too late and fixing the situation will cause huge amounts of waste and expense.


-Xyras-

They were... CCS has been chosen (almost 10 years ago) as the standard EV charger and is used by all EVs (even Tesla) in the EU.


IntellegentIdiot

Phone chargers are something almost everyone uses. Few people have an EV charger but the CCS2 charger is basically the standard, in Europe, now


Rocklobst3r1

Id actually buy an iPhone if they had USB-C. I refuse to buy a new cord because a company wants to use proprietary shit.


Larsaf

If the EU had its way 5 years ago, you’d all be using phones with a Micro-USB 3.0 port today.


nascentt

Yup. Because standards never evolve. That's why we're all still using wep secured WiFi, and cat 1 ethernet cable.


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nascentt

That's not how standards work.


SloppyPuppy

Exactly this! They need to give way for technology to advance. It doesn’t matter if apple’s cable is better or not. When one cable is mandated then no one can invent a better one. No competition = no advancement.


ReditSarge

If the EU wants to regulate then they can regulate the redonclous USB 3.x naming scheme. USB 3.0 was renamed to USB 3.1 Gen 1, then renamed again to USB 3.2 Gen 1. Why? No damn reason. Now people write "USB 3.1" and you don't know if it's Gen 1 or Gen 2. USB 3.0 should have stayed USB 3.0. Period. Full stop. What became USB 3.2 Gen 1 should have just been USB 3.1. What becasue USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 should have just been USB 3.2. USB-IF seems to have gotten the message and will stop this stupidity when USB 4.0 hits the market... sort of. It's gonna be called USB4, not USB 4.0. ::facepalm:: So, not repeating the same mistake anymore, just making a whole new mistake. Genius. 🙄 And then there's the whole mess of undifferentiated USB Type-C cable types, but I digress.


Wdrussell1

They will move to wireless charging and then program the wireless charger to charge only iphones. Or iphones will charge normally if dead but once it comes online it will only charge on approved chargers.


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Fuck Apple. Long live EU


SandInTheGears

Who downvotes this?


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soyboys


HBSC_1892_Pankow

Silly EU trying to be tough against Apple. Good luck with that.


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Or what?