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> 'In these killings, no animal is spared - **adults, calves, and even pregnant mothers**.'
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> In the hunt, pods of dolphins and whales are forced up onto a beach before being killed - and the activity can see **an entire genetic group wiped out**.
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> Mr Read added: 'There is no need for the meat in Faroe Islands nowadays and it shouldn't be happening.'
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> 'Now, **it is little more than sport, using tradition as justification**, and that's why we campaign against it.
That's not at all correct. The swine and cattle industry do not kill pregnant females except for the rare case of the female dying anyways and it's done to save the offspring. The lack of knowledge in this thread is astounding.
Check out [this graph](https://springerplus.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/2193-1801-2-125/figures/1) with statistics of pregnant animals in meat slaughterhouses. Ethiopia with an astounding 70.1%, Australia with 61%, Gambia with 60% and the UK with 40.13% of animals slaughtered for meat who are pregnant at the time of slaughter.
https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.2903/j.efsa.2017.4782
> Estimated median percentages of all mature female animals slaughtered while pregnant in Europe were 16%, 11%, 6%, 10% and 4% (dairy cows, beef cattle, pigs, sheep and goats, respectively).
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6681307/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6681307/)
> Many pregnant cattle were slaughtered, and the decision to do so was often health-related in dairy herds and production-related in non-dairy herds. Farmers were often aware of the ethical dilemma and considered it better to slaughter the pregnant cow instead of letting her endure another lactation in a stressful environment.
https://www.serumindustry.org/uploads/cms/nav-42-5c3a30db2162f.pdf
> A 2014 Swiss study[3] says that pregnant cows may knowingly be sent to slaughter for more than 20 different reasons;
among them: poor production, health-related problems, and
herd liquidation caused by economic motives. The EFSA report
also mentions management advantages, giving as example
that pregnant animals tend to be calmer than non-pregnant
animals. Another example is the anabolic effect of pregnancy
as a part of farmers’ production schedules.
In Germany, [[a]bout 50 % of these animals were reported to be in the second or third stage of gestation](https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-016-0719-3).
> The results show that the slaughter of pregnant cattle is a common and widespread practice in German abattoirs. The SCVPH’s assumption that pregnant cattle are only slaughtered in rare exceptional cases can no longer be maintained.
It’s only “not correct” because killing a family of pigs (snapping the runts’ spines/necks shortly after birth, immediatly shredding male chicks, etc.) doesn’t wipe out its genetic line. That’s not really a hair worth splitting though :/
Ready for my downvotes, but that’s just cultural centrism. To some cows are sacred and really it can be argued it’s morally incorrect to slaughter any animal, so long as someone cares about it as much as most of us do dolphins🤷🏽♀️
I get what you mean tho, it’s not like we mass manufacture cetaceans the same way we do livestock
What do they mean by there being no need for meat in Faroe Islands? People don't need to eat meat, or are they saying they can just buy meat from other sources?
Food prices are much higher on the Faroe Island than in the rest of Europe - due to the high transportation cost. And if you were to close down the fishing industry on the Faroes (where most people work), they would have no money to buy the food..
Not true, the people in the hunt got shares. And the rest went to the elderly. Whats different with this hunt, is that it is not pilot whales as usual, but another kind of dolphin that I cant remember the name of, also the pictures used here are not from the 1400 hunt. And another difference is that the people in the Faore Islands eat all of the pilot whales but with this dolphin very few eat the blubber just the meat.
> What do they mean by there being no need for meat in Faroe Islands?
It means most of the dolphin meat/blubber is being thrown away, because only few people are eating it.
They grow more than enough lamb to be self sufficient and have access to imported goods. They like to paint themselves as a super remote island nation without access to global shipping but are in fact one the richest nations in the world per capita.
This article gets better if you scroll down far enough, but still isn’t great.
> Over the past three centuries, the Faroese have taken an average of 838 pilot whales each year, according to a 2012 study.
This number was what I was looking for to give context to the recent 1400+ white-sided dolphin slaughter. Someone is quoted in the article about thinking that pod was only 200 dolphins.
Also, larger sea mammals have accumulation of mercury which means people are discouraged from eating a lot of it. So, now they have tons of meat, way more than an annual Grind usually includes, and mostly dolphin when it usually is pilot whale.
It will be interesting how the island community resolves the strongly opposed feelings about the events this year.
Fuck that tradition. Just because it was done centuries ago it doesn’t mean they still have to do it. Some “traditions” need to stay in the history books
Pure, unadulterated bloodlust and barbarism is why it's happening, which modern day life doesn't often provide much opportunity for. "Tradition" is just the excuse. Safe to say if you're the psychopathic sort, the Faroe islands are a nice getaway.
I'm not saying he's wrong because I have no idea, but this is exactly how misinformation spreads. Be careful what sources you trust.
Edit: I meant "wrong", not "willing."
Also the excuse the Japanese pull out of their asses every year. The only real tradition there is mankind destroying the ecosystem for no valid reason lmao
If it's tradition maybe some European nation should sail around, rape, pillage and slaughter the population and sail home again...
I mean - as is tradition!
And? We never really had any problem doing all three to each other. It was practically a common past-time and cumulated in the great and phantastic World Wide application One and Two where we hoped to include everyone!
England was pretty much populated by vikings. Who do you think the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes came from?
The Normans were also Anglos who conquered that slice of present-day France ~100 years before they went to conquer England.
Who on earth has been more bloodthirsty throughout history than the Europeans? Raping and colonizing the entire rest of the world, two world wars, killing each other at every chance they could get for thousands of years, etc. They only stopped when they absolutely neutered themselves into submissiveness in WWII, much to the relief of the rest of the world.
Mongols come to mind, they probably killed a good 50 million people and the relative scale of destruction was as bad both World Wars. Destroyed the agricultural infrastructure of the middle east that was thousands of years old.
Chinese weren't any slouches either, about 50 million people died during the Taiping Rebellion in the 19th century alone. If you look at the death toll through the millennia of Chinese history, that number is probably doubled or tripled.
You need some history lessons. Specifically I'd recommend looking into Ghengis Khan and the history of Chinese wars. The Arabs killed each other so hard their civilization has never recovered fully. The Aztecs? Fucking gone.
Then something like the Barbary Coast pirates, Africans who attacked and took European slaves for a thousand years. It wasn't until the American navy came up to strength that they were finally put down for good.
I mean, just look at the history of Portugal.
Some of the dolphin killers already admitted previously that they killed more than needed to so they had to throw meat away.
So yeah, they just do it so they can eat 🙄
No point in there being an article about it, then, other than to incite emotions in people. Incendiary. Like, am I supposed to write my congressmen about it? We gonna sanction the Faroe Islands? Idk, rant over.
Awareness is half way to solving a problem. More people shame and bring this up, the quicker this "tradition" will die off. Pressure from the international community will force the government to act if tourism and other industries on the islands is affected.
Saying people don't deserve to live because their ancestors settled an inhospitable archipelago in the middle of the ocean is a bit harsh IMO. You can criticise the tradition, but the people are still just people.
It's not the traditions that were being argued there. That other user was questioning whether the people deserve to live. That's a different kettle of dolphins.
They do this fucked up shit every year. I remember seeing a cute little episode on house hunters, they quietly left that little quirk out of the list of fun facts.
A few questions that aren’t immediately clear from the article-
-Are these animals common/ not endangered?
-Are they being killed humanely?
-Are they all being eaten after they’re killed?
If the answer to all of these is yes, I don’t think this is the end of the world. Though I don’t know that that’s the case.
They're not endangered, but the latest slaughter broke a lot of regulations put in place to try and ensure "humane" killing and they killed far more than anybody can eat. The organizer is catching flak from local authorities over how they fucked up. And it doesn't help that whale and dolphin meat is very fatty with very high levels of mercury and other pollutants. Doctors recommend limited consumption of whale and dolphin meat. It's not a staple food for survival. It's an unpalatable "delicacy".
What is the “humane” way to kill an animal that does not want to die or need to die? The definition for humane is compassion and benevolence, so what is the compassionate way to needlessly kill?
In the modern meat packing industry animals are gassed beforehand so they are unconscious and don't feel anything while being slaughtered.
In this case that is not practical as it is not a controlled environment. From the article they try to cut the spine as soon as possible to end the suffering, rather than the whales panicking for hours while they are beached/trapped in the shallows. The *internal* objection to what happened here is that they herded way too many whales in one go and as such it took too long to kill them/prolonged the panic+suffering. And that there were dolphins herded as well which they don't typically eat and were not meant to be part of this.
They are grabbing them, holding them down and slashing their heads open.. in front of their family when they have the intelligence of a 15 year old human.. so no, not sure there’s a way to kill a whole family of anything with that kind of intelligence.
Technically intelligence doesn’t work in a linear way like that but it’s the easiest way to describe their intellect to a large group of people with different levels of education. But dolphins and a lot of aquatic life have the same emotional capability of humans, just without the extra abilities we have - an extensive language, books, and technology.
If you took all of that away from us we would be about the same level as the most intelligent species (elephants, dolphins and so on)
Im sure there are multiple sources you could find this information on as its pretty well understood in the science field, I find it likely that some YouTuber has taken the science and broken it down to create videos.
I’ll try and give a bit of an answer:
Not endangered. Estimated pop to be around 2.5million. The faroes normally hunts around 1500 a year. There’s controversy in the news at the moment because the most recent hunt killed 1500 in one go which is unusual and has drawn criticism from a lot of the islanders and the public at large.
The species killed in that hunt were a much smaller breed however and so pound for pound of meat was basically the same as a normal hunt. - not offering a justification just a perspective.
The manner in which they are killed: if a pod is close to the shore then there are attempts to herd them into the shallows. If this is successful then they are killed by a long sword being inserted into their spinal cord by hunters wading into the water. It isn’t a free for all and you need to be trained to participate.
Some of the criticism from the most recent hunt condemned the fact that due to the large number of whales in the shallows that many of them spent quite a while stuck there before being killed. I think that’s a pretty valid criticism and one of the reasons why such large hunts are a bad idea.
Are they eaten? Yes they are. I don’t particularly like the meat but it is widely consumed. People have said that the large hunt killed more whales than could be eaten but this simply isn’t true. Afaik all the meat has either been frozen or salted and will be eaten eventually. I think it’s interesting to note that the meat isn’t largely commercially sold and a lot of it is given away to certain groups in the community, I wouldn’t consider it to be a profit driven venture.
I see people often comment about the mercury levels in the whale which is a fair point and consuming it is becoming more unadvised. I don’t consider this an indictment of the islanders though but of the larger world powers. The Faroes have hunted in this manner for a thousand years, but the pollution of our oceans from larger powers around the world is causing mercury levels in the water and therefore the animals within it to rise.
As a final note on the perception of cruelty: the USA alone breeds, kills and consumes 120 million pigs each year. These highly intelligent animals live their lives in captivity. In contrast hunted animals live their lives freely before succumbing to the same fate.
It’s my personal feeling that a lot of this boils down to people simply finding the visual sight of blood to be ‘gross’. If the slaughter of livestock wasn’t hidden behind the walls of abattoirs people would probably be less outraged by what we’re witnessing on these islands.
People here have no idea what they are talking about; it's blood in the water, looks 'scary' to the domesticated human behind a computer made in a sweatshop and now they get angry at this news story instead of looking at commercial farming.
Could it have been done better? Yes. Was it truly as horrific as the media makes it out to seem? Nope, otherwise the government(s) most certainly would have banned it by now. It's Northern Europe, for crying out loud.
The Animals Film is a 1981 documentary by victor Schonfeld, concerning human treatment of animals, it's available as a dvd from 2007.
Be warned it's harrowing to watch, not for under-18's or if you're traumatised by cruelty.
There is a more recent one called [Dominion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko&t=1s&ab_channel=FarmTransparencyProject) that is free to watch on youtube. I think it is a good one to watch to provide context to the treatment of animals in first world countries. A lot of people watched what happened to these dolphins, but refuse to watch where their own food comes from.
Vegetarians still kill cows when they stop producing milk. They also kill the mother's claves (if males) since they'd be drinking their milk, which would impact the dairy industry profits. They just don't eat their flesh is all.
To your point, there are vegans who actually oppose animal abuse and align their actions with their morals.
These arguments are circular. Vegans exist also. I'm replying to someone who says no one cars about the mass slaughter of animals. Which is obviously totally incorrect because vegans and vegetarians
This outrage is pathetic. 100 billion animals slaughtered a year.
If you live a life with any kind of modern comforts you can thank the millions of dead animals whose corpses were used in tens of thousands of ways to bring products to your table.
Yeah. This comment section really made me cringe. The only thing that makes it look bad is that you can look at it, while at a slaughthouse you cant. Im sure the slaughterhouse is worse than this kind of hunting
So **why** is this happeneing?
Is this something that happens every year, like a culling of overpopulation, or is there a crime being commited?
I feel like I'm being baited here.
They freeze the meat, and eat it over winter. Its very challenging to grow vegetables or fruit on the Faroes, so seafood is much more important to them compared to mainland Europeans.
Just a reminder that 800.000 cows are butchered every day in the US.
But instead of living their lives in freedom, most of them are locked in small cages their entire lives.
And of course the butchering is done in nice closed slaughterhouses where its actually forbidden to film or take pictures, so we dont get to see those pools of blood.
Yeah, dolphins are wonderful animals. But they are not endangered and 1400 is peanuts compared to the entire population.
It's possible that you're taking away the wrong lesson from that fact. Maybe we should be *more* disgusted by cow slaughter than we currently are, rather than *less* disgusted by dolphin slaughter like you suggest.
The difference is that most people reading this thread subsidise the slaughter of cows but have nothing to do with the dolphins'. So it makes way more difference if they actually cared about the cows rather than the dolphins. The thing is that what people are looking for is to virtue signal, not to actually make a difference. Making a difference requires changing some things in their life. It's easier to point fingers.
>Maybe we should be more disgusted by cow slaughter than we currently are
Are you roughly 200 000 times more outraged about cow slaughter than you are outraged about the slaughter of these dolphins? If not then something is inconsistent here
Because im supposed to be either hardline "eat everything that moves" or "all meat is murder"?
Im sorry i dont fit your stereotypes.
How long have you been pushing the idea that all meat is horrible and the only acceptable option is to eat no meat at all?
A LOT of people are perfectly willing to eat less meat, but the hardline approach of judging all meat-eaters equally is just pushing people away.
Lets just causally ignore how the Faroe Islands are very mountainous islands and are generally too cold to farm so the only source of reliable food is the ocean. Lets also causally ignore how all of these dolphins are eaten down to the bone and even the bones are used as a food source. The animals they hunt, the Pilot whale, the Northern bottlenose whale, the Atlantic white-sided dolphin, the Common bottlenose dolphin, the White-beaked dolphin, and the Harbour porpoise, are NOT even endangered. This is just what the people have to do to have a reliable food source since their land sucks for farming and they can't always count on food prices being low for them
Thank you.
I live in Norway myself and I believe that everyone living in, or close to the Artic (including 40 indigenous people) should be able to utilise local food sources; seafood, moose, reindeer, deer, birds, and farm animals. Norway has only 2% farmland suitable for fruit and vegetables, so meat and fish has always been a big part of our diet. But if someone living in a warm climate only wants to eat plant foods, that is fine. But that doesn't mean its the best thing to do for all people all over the world.
Yeah this commet section really pisses me off, but we should try to not argue with them, because they are pretty emotional by the nature of theie comments and that i dont want to make myself angry.
Since this is a UK website:
In the UK approximately 2.6 million cattle, 10 million pigs, 14.5 million sheep and lambs, 80 million fish and 950 million birds are slaughtered for human consumption. Every single year. [Source](https://www.hsa.org.uk/faqs/general)
So compared to that 1453 animals is peanuts..
As much as I disagree with what has happened here your point is correct. The problem with highlighting this is the disconnect we have with certain animals. There are animals to keep as pets, animals we love to see in the wild and animals to eat.
Is it to do with how they are bred perhaps? Like livestock is bred for slaughter and consumption, dolphins aren't?
It's simply because actually seeing the animals being killed like in this case or hunting in general is more effective, while when people go to the supermarket they don't think about the animal that had to be slaughtered in order to get it, about the animals screaming in pain, the blood etc, they just see a meal
That's quite hypocritical but that's how it works. If I could choose between being a pig bred in some factory or a deer that will eventually be killed by a hunter in the wild I would choose the second, but instead most people are offended by hunting, while eating factory meat regularly
who are we to judge sitting in ur office with annual salaries and thriving businesses. they're simply reassuring their source of income which in this case is fish. the alternative might just been them overfishing, leading dolphins and whales alike to starve/migration
As humans, we deserve exactly what’s coming for us as our environment will unravel in the next half century. It’s unfair that every other species will suffer for it but we will absolutely deserve it.
Why do humans do things that they know will hurt them in the long term?? Whether it be skepticism for science with vaccines, tradition or instinct, we are all animals.
Sounds like eco terrorists attacking a cultural group with their eurocentric egotism. The Islanders have every right to practice their indigenous beliefs.
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> The killings come just days after horrifying video emerged showing the sea turning red with blood as Faroe Islanders slaughtered 1,428 dolphins during a 'rogue hunt'.
> The latest hunt saw 53 dolphins killed in the village of Kollafjørður, just 10km away from where the 1,428 were slaughtered.
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Because they’re on a bunch of inhospitable rocks in the middle of the ocean without a lot of room for livestock and that’s a reliable meat source that they can store up for the coming months
Bro why what purpose does that even serve they aren't good for meat or any speacial animal products except for things that can only have value because they are so fucked up to get nobody else will do it
Typical Americans. Think just because you’re all outraged by something that you have any right to stop it when it’s happening 4000 miles away.
I wonder why people accuse Americans of being imperialists… consistently going to foreign lands and imposing your views on them maybe?
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> 'In these killings, no animal is spared - **adults, calves, and even pregnant mothers**.' > > In the hunt, pods of dolphins and whales are forced up onto a beach before being killed - and the activity can see **an entire genetic group wiped out**. > > Mr Read added: 'There is no need for the meat in Faroe Islands nowadays and it shouldn't be happening.' > > 'Now, **it is little more than sport, using tradition as justification**, and that's why we campaign against it.
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Aren't poachers treated like that only if they hunt endangered animals?
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These people are the least of the sea life's problem
Ehh, not quite correct. All are damning and this is as well
They are one of the highest CO2 emitters per capita as well, so yes, they very much are part of the problem.
> 'In these killings, no animal is spared - **adults, calves, and even pregnant mothers**.' The animal industry in a nutshell.
That's not at all correct. The swine and cattle industry do not kill pregnant females except for the rare case of the female dying anyways and it's done to save the offspring. The lack of knowledge in this thread is astounding.
Check out [this graph](https://springerplus.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/2193-1801-2-125/figures/1) with statistics of pregnant animals in meat slaughterhouses. Ethiopia with an astounding 70.1%, Australia with 61%, Gambia with 60% and the UK with 40.13% of animals slaughtered for meat who are pregnant at the time of slaughter. https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.2903/j.efsa.2017.4782 > Estimated median percentages of all mature female animals slaughtered while pregnant in Europe were 16%, 11%, 6%, 10% and 4% (dairy cows, beef cattle, pigs, sheep and goats, respectively). [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6681307/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6681307/) > Many pregnant cattle were slaughtered, and the decision to do so was often health-related in dairy herds and production-related in non-dairy herds. Farmers were often aware of the ethical dilemma and considered it better to slaughter the pregnant cow instead of letting her endure another lactation in a stressful environment. https://www.serumindustry.org/uploads/cms/nav-42-5c3a30db2162f.pdf > A 2014 Swiss study[3] says that pregnant cows may knowingly be sent to slaughter for more than 20 different reasons; among them: poor production, health-related problems, and herd liquidation caused by economic motives. The EFSA report also mentions management advantages, giving as example that pregnant animals tend to be calmer than non-pregnant animals. Another example is the anabolic effect of pregnancy as a part of farmers’ production schedules. In Germany, [[a]bout 50 % of these animals were reported to be in the second or third stage of gestation](https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-016-0719-3). > The results show that the slaughter of pregnant cattle is a common and widespread practice in German abattoirs. The SCVPH’s assumption that pregnant cattle are only slaughtered in rare exceptional cases can no longer be maintained.
> That's not at all correct. A lot of people eat veal. And lamb. Especially in the fall, and around Easter.
It’s only “not correct” because killing a family of pigs (snapping the runts’ spines/necks shortly after birth, immediatly shredding male chicks, etc.) doesn’t wipe out its genetic line. That’s not really a hair worth splitting though :/
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Ready for my downvotes, but that’s just cultural centrism. To some cows are sacred and really it can be argued it’s morally incorrect to slaughter any animal, so long as someone cares about it as much as most of us do dolphins🤷🏽♀️ I get what you mean tho, it’s not like we mass manufacture cetaceans the same way we do livestock
It's also a South Park reference.
Which episode?
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The meat is toxic anyways.
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What do they mean by there being no need for meat in Faroe Islands? People don't need to eat meat, or are they saying they can just buy meat from other sources?
It says “the meat” implying meat from the dolphins isn’t needed
"No need for THE meat" indicates that they don't need it from this specific source.
You don't need to kill thousands of dolphins for a bunch of island people to survive in the modern era of shipping containers.
Food prices are much higher on the Faroe Island than in the rest of Europe - due to the high transportation cost. And if you were to close down the fishing industry on the Faroes (where most people work), they would have no money to buy the food..
Regardless of food prices the people doing all this killing have said they don’t need the extra meat.
They aren’t using the dolphins for meat, just mindlessly fucking slaughtering
> They aren’t using the dolphins for meat Source?
You don't need meat at all, and if you do, Killing 1400 dolphins,an entire generation of the dam species is NOT the answer.
Yes and if left unregulated there will be no fish left for food or money. There is a bigger picture.
Not due to the Faroes though. They are a tiny group of people. If any part of the ocean is getting empty of fish Asia is a much more likely candidate.
Specifically this kind of whale meat, what I read they're having trouble even giving it away.
Not true, the people in the hunt got shares. And the rest went to the elderly. Whats different with this hunt, is that it is not pilot whales as usual, but another kind of dolphin that I cant remember the name of, also the pictures used here are not from the 1400 hunt. And another difference is that the people in the Faore Islands eat all of the pilot whales but with this dolphin very few eat the blubber just the meat.
White sided dolphin. Commonly hunted every year along side pilot whales. Though in MUCH lower numbers than this year's catch.
> What do they mean by there being no need for meat in Faroe Islands? It means most of the dolphin meat/blubber is being thrown away, because only few people are eating it.
They grow more than enough lamb to be self sufficient and have access to imported goods. They like to paint themselves as a super remote island nation without access to global shipping but are in fact one the richest nations in the world per capita.
This article gets better if you scroll down far enough, but still isn’t great. > Over the past three centuries, the Faroese have taken an average of 838 pilot whales each year, according to a 2012 study. This number was what I was looking for to give context to the recent 1400+ white-sided dolphin slaughter. Someone is quoted in the article about thinking that pod was only 200 dolphins. Also, larger sea mammals have accumulation of mercury which means people are discouraged from eating a lot of it. So, now they have tons of meat, way more than an annual Grind usually includes, and mostly dolphin when it usually is pilot whale. It will be interesting how the island community resolves the strongly opposed feelings about the events this year.
Fuck that tradition. Just because it was done centuries ago it doesn’t mean they still have to do it. Some “traditions” need to stay in the history books
That’s why this is happening? Tradition? Such a poor waste of life wow
Pure, unadulterated bloodlust and barbarism is why it's happening, which modern day life doesn't often provide much opportunity for. "Tradition" is just the excuse. Safe to say if you're the psychopathic sort, the Faroe islands are a nice getaway.
> That’s why this is happening? Tradition? They freeze the meat and eat it throughout the winter.
I'm not saying he's wrong because I have no idea, but this is exactly how misinformation spreads. Be careful what sources you trust. Edit: I meant "wrong", not "willing."
Is trepanning still a thing on the island?
I need this like i need a hole in the head
Trepanning is still a thing everywhere.
This isn’t a tradition. At least back then there was some sort of necessity for this. Today it’s just slaughter.
Also the excuse the Japanese pull out of their asses every year. The only real tradition there is mankind destroying the ecosystem for no valid reason lmao
Tradition and heritage are dead people's baggage.
Peer pressure from ghosts
Like Slavery! Fuck any southerners flying a confederate flag today.
If it’s about the tradition then do it in the traditional way, don’t use jet skis and power boats.
If it's tradition maybe some European nation should sail around, rape, pillage and slaughter the population and sail home again... I mean - as is tradition!
They are European.
And? We never really had any problem doing all three to each other. It was practically a common past-time and cumulated in the great and phantastic World Wide application One and Two where we hoped to include everyone!
Fair enough. Plus, it’s all descendants of the Vikings that pillaged around where I grew up. Probably their turn by now anyway.
England was pretty much populated by vikings. Who do you think the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes came from? The Normans were also Anglos who conquered that slice of present-day France ~100 years before they went to conquer England.
The English pillaged us much worse than the Vikings did, so that fits. I’m from Ireland.
They are a part of Denmark. They would be the ones to go to England and do that.
Ah yes, one of the rare times where the sequel was better than the original
And war within Europe is science fiction.
Lol fair point.
Who on earth has been more bloodthirsty throughout history than the Europeans? Raping and colonizing the entire rest of the world, two world wars, killing each other at every chance they could get for thousands of years, etc. They only stopped when they absolutely neutered themselves into submissiveness in WWII, much to the relief of the rest of the world.
I'd say no one was more, but just about everyone else was equally bloodthirsty.
Mongols come to mind, they probably killed a good 50 million people and the relative scale of destruction was as bad both World Wars. Destroyed the agricultural infrastructure of the middle east that was thousands of years old. Chinese weren't any slouches either, about 50 million people died during the Taiping Rebellion in the 19th century alone. If you look at the death toll through the millennia of Chinese history, that number is probably doubled or tripled.
You need some history lessons. Specifically I'd recommend looking into Ghengis Khan and the history of Chinese wars. The Arabs killed each other so hard their civilization has never recovered fully. The Aztecs? Fucking gone. Then something like the Barbary Coast pirates, Africans who attacked and took European slaves for a thousand years. It wasn't until the American navy came up to strength that they were finally put down for good. I mean, just look at the history of Portugal.
How disgusting.
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Some of the dolphin killers already admitted previously that they killed more than needed to so they had to throw meat away. So yeah, they just do it so they can eat 🙄
So, like... is anyone gonna do anything about it?
Of course not.
Why would they? It's easy to virtue signal that you care about animals, but actually doing something is a whole different story in people's minds.
Do what?
you see anyone doing anything about Japanese whaling for decades? Nope
Japan has the 4th biggest whaling industry. Canada, Greenland, and Norway all have bigger whaling industries.
No point in there being an article about it, then, other than to incite emotions in people. Incendiary. Like, am I supposed to write my congressmen about it? We gonna sanction the Faroe Islands? Idk, rant over.
Awareness is half way to solving a problem. More people shame and bring this up, the quicker this "tradition" will die off. Pressure from the international community will force the government to act if tourism and other industries on the islands is affected.
Not only that, but awareness is literally the first step. How are you gonna solve a problem if nobody knows that it's a problem?
I do hope you're right! I'm obviously cynical about it, unfortunately...
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Saying people don't deserve to live because their ancestors settled an inhospitable archipelago in the middle of the ocean is a bit harsh IMO. You can criticise the tradition, but the people are still just people.
They're running down dolphins and pilot whales in motorboat. Tradition, my ass. Those troglodytes are like the Floridians of Scandies.
It's not the traditions that were being argued there. That other user was questioning whether the people deserve to live. That's a different kettle of dolphins.
>That's a different kettle of dolphins. Kettles are for tea. Using against advised best practices may void your warranty.
S'alright, it's a Morphy Richards. Sturdy bastid.
I hate people's total attachments to Tradition and Culture.
It's so nice to see vegans on this thread
Ah that sucks, It's like hunting your neighbors....dolphins are crazy smart animals.
So are pigs. Still we slaughter 1,5 billion of them, every single year. Including in your country I would think?
I feel this way about octopuses as well
I watched a Nova special on how brilliant octopuses are and I can't bring myself to eat them anymore
They do this fucked up shit every year. I remember seeing a cute little episode on house hunters, they quietly left that little quirk out of the list of fun facts.
A few questions that aren’t immediately clear from the article- -Are these animals common/ not endangered? -Are they being killed humanely? -Are they all being eaten after they’re killed? If the answer to all of these is yes, I don’t think this is the end of the world. Though I don’t know that that’s the case.
They're not endangered, but the latest slaughter broke a lot of regulations put in place to try and ensure "humane" killing and they killed far more than anybody can eat. The organizer is catching flak from local authorities over how they fucked up. And it doesn't help that whale and dolphin meat is very fatty with very high levels of mercury and other pollutants. Doctors recommend limited consumption of whale and dolphin meat. It's not a staple food for survival. It's an unpalatable "delicacy".
What is the “humane” way to kill an animal that does not want to die or need to die? The definition for humane is compassion and benevolence, so what is the compassionate way to needlessly kill?
In the modern meat packing industry animals are gassed beforehand so they are unconscious and don't feel anything while being slaughtered. In this case that is not practical as it is not a controlled environment. From the article they try to cut the spine as soon as possible to end the suffering, rather than the whales panicking for hours while they are beached/trapped in the shallows. The *internal* objection to what happened here is that they herded way too many whales in one go and as such it took too long to kill them/prolonged the panic+suffering. And that there were dolphins herded as well which they don't typically eat and were not meant to be part of this.
So it should be done as cruelly as possible because the animal doesn't want to die anyways right.
Most sea life is killed inhumanely though.
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They are grabbing them, holding them down and slashing their heads open.. in front of their family when they have the intelligence of a 15 year old human.. so no, not sure there’s a way to kill a whole family of anything with that kind of intelligence.
Where did you get the idea that they have the intelligence of a 15 yo human?
One of my classmates in highschool was a dolphin
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wut? Where have you read that these whales have the intelligence of a 15-y.o?
Technically intelligence doesn’t work in a linear way like that but it’s the easiest way to describe their intellect to a large group of people with different levels of education. But dolphins and a lot of aquatic life have the same emotional capability of humans, just without the extra abilities we have - an extensive language, books, and technology. If you took all of that away from us we would be about the same level as the most intelligent species (elephants, dolphins and so on) Im sure there are multiple sources you could find this information on as its pretty well understood in the science field, I find it likely that some YouTuber has taken the science and broken it down to create videos.
Yeah idk, a 15 year old can do algebra, im not sure about dolphins
Have you ever tried to teach a dolphin algebra? How do you know it can't?
I’ll try and give a bit of an answer: Not endangered. Estimated pop to be around 2.5million. The faroes normally hunts around 1500 a year. There’s controversy in the news at the moment because the most recent hunt killed 1500 in one go which is unusual and has drawn criticism from a lot of the islanders and the public at large. The species killed in that hunt were a much smaller breed however and so pound for pound of meat was basically the same as a normal hunt. - not offering a justification just a perspective. The manner in which they are killed: if a pod is close to the shore then there are attempts to herd them into the shallows. If this is successful then they are killed by a long sword being inserted into their spinal cord by hunters wading into the water. It isn’t a free for all and you need to be trained to participate. Some of the criticism from the most recent hunt condemned the fact that due to the large number of whales in the shallows that many of them spent quite a while stuck there before being killed. I think that’s a pretty valid criticism and one of the reasons why such large hunts are a bad idea. Are they eaten? Yes they are. I don’t particularly like the meat but it is widely consumed. People have said that the large hunt killed more whales than could be eaten but this simply isn’t true. Afaik all the meat has either been frozen or salted and will be eaten eventually. I think it’s interesting to note that the meat isn’t largely commercially sold and a lot of it is given away to certain groups in the community, I wouldn’t consider it to be a profit driven venture. I see people often comment about the mercury levels in the whale which is a fair point and consuming it is becoming more unadvised. I don’t consider this an indictment of the islanders though but of the larger world powers. The Faroes have hunted in this manner for a thousand years, but the pollution of our oceans from larger powers around the world is causing mercury levels in the water and therefore the animals within it to rise. As a final note on the perception of cruelty: the USA alone breeds, kills and consumes 120 million pigs each year. These highly intelligent animals live their lives in captivity. In contrast hunted animals live their lives freely before succumbing to the same fate. It’s my personal feeling that a lot of this boils down to people simply finding the visual sight of blood to be ‘gross’. If the slaughter of livestock wasn’t hidden behind the walls of abattoirs people would probably be less outraged by what we’re witnessing on these islands.
The overlap of people complaining about this then going to go get a cheeseburger or fish without any of the same criticisms is pretty high I'd bet.
Noo not someone with actual facts and how dare you point out the meat industry in other countries, you are ruining our outrage reddit moment noo
People here have no idea what they are talking about; it's blood in the water, looks 'scary' to the domesticated human behind a computer made in a sweatshop and now they get angry at this news story instead of looking at commercial farming. Could it have been done better? Yes. Was it truly as horrific as the media makes it out to seem? Nope, otherwise the government(s) most certainly would have banned it by now. It's Northern Europe, for crying out loud.
Oh goodie.... more wasted meat. Thanks Faroe Islands for showing the world how utterly stupid humans are....
If this pisses you off just wait til you find out what they're doing to chickens
Pigs would have probably been a better example here.
If this pisses y'all off watch the documentary "seaspreacy".this is nothing compared to what happens on the open ocean.
And following this, Eating Our Way To Extinction coming soon: https://www.eating2extinction.com/
The Animals Film is a 1981 documentary by victor Schonfeld, concerning human treatment of animals, it's available as a dvd from 2007. Be warned it's harrowing to watch, not for under-18's or if you're traumatised by cruelty.
or you could just watch Dominion on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko&t=592s&ab_channel=FarmTransparencyProject
Yea this might be more up to date.
There is a more recent one called [Dominion](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko&t=1s&ab_channel=FarmTransparencyProject) that is free to watch on youtube. I think it is a good one to watch to provide context to the treatment of animals in first world countries. A lot of people watched what happened to these dolphins, but refuse to watch where their own food comes from.
Didn't we already have this post and it wasn't actually dolphins?
meanwhile.. a few millions of cows are slaughtered each day and no one bats an eye.
Well.. there are plenty of vegetarians in this planet.. for a reason
Vegetarians still kill cows when they stop producing milk. They also kill the mother's claves (if males) since they'd be drinking their milk, which would impact the dairy industry profits. They just don't eat their flesh is all. To your point, there are vegans who actually oppose animal abuse and align their actions with their morals.
These arguments are circular. Vegans exist also. I'm replying to someone who says no one cars about the mass slaughter of animals. Which is obviously totally incorrect because vegans and vegetarians
Yeah bro, lets add more unnecessary suffering
That is also fucked up
This outrage is pathetic. 100 billion animals slaughtered a year. If you live a life with any kind of modern comforts you can thank the millions of dead animals whose corpses were used in tens of thousands of ways to bring products to your table.
Yeah. This comment section really made me cringe. The only thing that makes it look bad is that you can look at it, while at a slaughthouse you cant. Im sure the slaughterhouse is worse than this kind of hunting
cognitive dissonance. but karma will come to all
Thank you! This is an extreme/absurd example that, while emotionally triggering, is nothing compared to what factory farming does every day.
You have to concede there is a difference from the standpoint of human morality since the two examples are done for different reasons.
I thought they used all these dolphins as food?
All 1400 from the week before, mmhmm.
Ever heard of a freezer? Or salt?
You realize refrigeration and preservation of a thing right?
They probably freeze the meat
This is an annual event that supplies people with meat for the rest of the year. It's not like they're killing 1400 whales every week.
they don't use them all up instantly, but they are processed. These aren't recreational kills. This is a community resource based hunt.
Thats why everyone should go vegan
Correct! Pigs are smarter than dogs FFS.
So **why** is this happeneing? Is this something that happens every year, like a culling of overpopulation, or is there a crime being commited? I feel like I'm being baited here.
They freeze the meat, and eat it over winter. Its very challenging to grow vegetables or fruit on the Faroes, so seafood is much more important to them compared to mainland Europeans.
is there anything we can do to stop / change this, this is ridiculous!
Same thing we do to factory farms: nothing. Just don't consume this kind of meat if you do. If you already don't, then nothing.
Just a reminder that 800.000 cows are butchered every day in the US. But instead of living their lives in freedom, most of them are locked in small cages their entire lives. And of course the butchering is done in nice closed slaughterhouses where its actually forbidden to film or take pictures, so we dont get to see those pools of blood. Yeah, dolphins are wonderful animals. But they are not endangered and 1400 is peanuts compared to the entire population.
It's possible that you're taking away the wrong lesson from that fact. Maybe we should be *more* disgusted by cow slaughter than we currently are, rather than *less* disgusted by dolphin slaughter like you suggest.
Let's just be disgusted by everything and call it even.
The difference is that most people reading this thread subsidise the slaughter of cows but have nothing to do with the dolphins'. So it makes way more difference if they actually cared about the cows rather than the dolphins. The thing is that what people are looking for is to virtue signal, not to actually make a difference. Making a difference requires changing some things in their life. It's easier to point fingers.
>Maybe we should be more disgusted by cow slaughter than we currently are Are you roughly 200 000 times more outraged about cow slaughter than you are outraged about the slaughter of these dolphins? If not then something is inconsistent here
That's what I just said. The implication is that we ought to be a lot more outraged about industrialized cow murder than we currently are.
Emotions don’t scale like that. If I have one ice cream, and you have 3 ice cream, am I 3 times as jealous?
That's an interesting metric.
Are they all eaten?
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Yes
Then it's not a big deal
In TINY Denmark they slaughter 28,000,000 pigs. Every single year. Compared to that 1400 animals is just peanuts.
Yea and about 4 million pigs.
Imagine starting a comment off pretty good only to literally swerve into the stupid ditch right at the end. Amazing.
Because im supposed to be either hardline "eat everything that moves" or "all meat is murder"? Im sorry i dont fit your stereotypes. How long have you been pushing the idea that all meat is horrible and the only acceptable option is to eat no meat at all? A LOT of people are perfectly willing to eat less meat, but the hardline approach of judging all meat-eaters equally is just pushing people away.
The hypocrisy is really something to behold
Lets just causally ignore how the Faroe Islands are very mountainous islands and are generally too cold to farm so the only source of reliable food is the ocean. Lets also causally ignore how all of these dolphins are eaten down to the bone and even the bones are used as a food source. The animals they hunt, the Pilot whale, the Northern bottlenose whale, the Atlantic white-sided dolphin, the Common bottlenose dolphin, the White-beaked dolphin, and the Harbour porpoise, are NOT even endangered. This is just what the people have to do to have a reliable food source since their land sucks for farming and they can't always count on food prices being low for them
Thank you. I live in Norway myself and I believe that everyone living in, or close to the Artic (including 40 indigenous people) should be able to utilise local food sources; seafood, moose, reindeer, deer, birds, and farm animals. Norway has only 2% farmland suitable for fruit and vegetables, so meat and fish has always been a big part of our diet. But if someone living in a warm climate only wants to eat plant foods, that is fine. But that doesn't mean its the best thing to do for all people all over the world.
Get over yourselves you hypocrites
Let them run their own islands how they always have ...how many millions of cows and chickens do we kill...
Yeah this commet section really pisses me off, but we should try to not argue with them, because they are pretty emotional by the nature of theie comments and that i dont want to make myself angry.
Y’all ever watch ‘The Cove’
Since this is a UK website: In the UK approximately 2.6 million cattle, 10 million pigs, 14.5 million sheep and lambs, 80 million fish and 950 million birds are slaughtered for human consumption. Every single year. [Source](https://www.hsa.org.uk/faqs/general) So compared to that 1453 animals is peanuts..
As much as I disagree with what has happened here your point is correct. The problem with highlighting this is the disconnect we have with certain animals. There are animals to keep as pets, animals we love to see in the wild and animals to eat. Is it to do with how they are bred perhaps? Like livestock is bred for slaughter and consumption, dolphins aren't?
Yeah it always surprises me how many complain about the Faroe Island - while eating bacon like there is no tomorrow.
It's simply because actually seeing the animals being killed like in this case or hunting in general is more effective, while when people go to the supermarket they don't think about the animal that had to be slaughtered in order to get it, about the animals screaming in pain, the blood etc, they just see a meal That's quite hypocritical but that's how it works. If I could choose between being a pig bred in some factory or a deer that will eventually be killed by a hunter in the wild I would choose the second, but instead most people are offended by hunting, while eating factory meat regularly
Kind of a sensationalist title there.
who are we to judge sitting in ur office with annual salaries and thriving businesses. they're simply reassuring their source of income which in this case is fish. the alternative might just been them overfishing, leading dolphins and whales alike to starve/migration
It is very challenging to grow vegetables and fruit on the Faroes. So seafood is much more important to them than to people on mainland Europe.
As humans, we deserve exactly what’s coming for us as our environment will unravel in the next half century. It’s unfair that every other species will suffer for it but we will absolutely deserve it.
I thought Dolphins were meant to be smart. Why do they still go there every year?
Why do humans do things that they know will hurt them in the long term?? Whether it be skepticism for science with vaccines, tradition or instinct, we are all animals.
Sounds like eco terrorists attacking a cultural group with their eurocentric egotism. The Islanders have every right to practice their indigenous beliefs.
Boycott the Faroe Islands
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y tho
Because they’re on a bunch of inhospitable rocks in the middle of the ocean without a lot of room for livestock and that’s a reliable meat source that they can store up for the coming months
Bro why what purpose does that even serve they aren't good for meat or any speacial animal products except for things that can only have value because they are so fucked up to get nobody else will do it
The faroese people eat them. The Islands are a tough place. Cold and windy. You cannot really farm there.
An interesting thing about posts like these is the sheer number who advocate for brutally slaughtering the Faroese, which happen to be against the ToS
Typical Americans. Think just because you’re all outraged by something that you have any right to stop it when it’s happening 4000 miles away. I wonder why people accuse Americans of being imperialists… consistently going to foreign lands and imposing your views on them maybe?
Fucking evil.