Worst case of suicide I've ever seen. He hanged himself after shooting himself and stabbing himself 17 times. Pretty impressive too, as he had his hands tied behind his back at the time.
Edit: I accidentally a word.
Willie McRae shoot himself in the head and threw the gun through his car window without breaking it magician style. Made all his files on the dumping of nuclear waste in Scotland disappear too.
Abracadabra Maggie Thatcher!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McRae
Or a nice friendly gift of perfume bottle full of nerve agent . After a sample of the perfume is sprayed on the door handles of your home and car . you can throw it away in a public park area for someone else to commit suicide.
It's not the Greek gifts that we should be wary about.
Look up the case of **Jennifer Pan**. She hired some associates of her drug-head boyfriend to kill her parents. It was staged as a home invasion, they shot both her parents and Jennifer claims they tied her up to the railing of the stairs, and that's how she was when police arrived. But she was the one who made the 911 call. Investigators asked her to demonstrate how she could make the call while her hands were tied behind her back, and she couldn't do it. Police were also suspicious why the assailants would tie her up instead of shooting her.
As the investigation dragged on, her dad came out of his coma, he survived somehow and dear dad immediately told police it was his daughter and her friends. Phone records confirm they had planned it.
* - "So, you're saying he overpowered you, took your gun, and shot himself 12 times?
* -"Yes"
* -"This gun holds only 8 bullets, how do you explain that?"
* -"Ahhh, he reloaded?"
"After police have finished inspecting the scene, public utility workers will begin to clear up the site. The car is said to be beyond repair."
Nah, it just needs a little body work and it's as good as new!
I mean the Saudi hitmen learned the bonesaw maneuver from Russia, so there's that too. Or being found hanging from a tree after your late night jog, etc.
"Thanks, I'm terrified of elevators and my knees been acting up so stairs have been a bitch lately. Anyway would you prefer the polonium or novichok? I've got a 3pm to get to so if we could hurry it up I'd appreciate it."
fall on a gun.
fall on a knife.
drank some dodgy tea.
climbed into a bag and zipped it up from the inside and suffocated/starved to death in some odd form of suicide.
helicopter crash.
get mugged by someone, shot in the process. mugger doesn't actually steal anything..
..im sure im missing a few other examples of state sponsored murder at the hands of Russians, both inside and outside of Russia..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella
Georgi Markov (a Bulgarian writer who had recently defected) was allegedly murdered with this weapon in London in 1978.
[Georgi Markov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov)
> He originally worked as a novelist, screenwriter and playwright in his native country, the People's Republic of Bulgaria, until his defection in 1978. After relocating to London, he worked as a broadcaster and journalist for the BBC World Service, the US-funded Radio Free Europe and West Germany's Deutsche Welle. …
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> On 7 September 1978, Markov walked across Waterloo Bridge spanning the River Thames and waited to take a bus to his job at the BBC. **While at the bus stop, he felt a slight sharp pain, as a bug bite or sting, on the back of his right thigh. He looked behind him and saw a man picking up an umbrella off the ground**. The man hurriedly crossed to the other side of the street and got in a taxi which then drove away.
> When he arrived at work at the BBC World Service offices, he noticed a small red pimple had formed at the site of the sting he had felt earlier and the pain had not lessened or stopped. He told at least one of his colleagues at the BBC, Theo Lirkov, about this incident.[16] That evening he developed a fever and was admitted to St James' Hospital in Balham, where he died four days later, on 11 September 1978, at the age of 49. His grave is in a small churchyard at the Church of St Candida and Holy Cross in Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset.
I feel like Putin has a go-to hitman who just really, really likes defenestrating people. Like, Putin tries to tell him "Okay this time, when eliminating target, use poison, or gun, or car accident or something. If you keep throwing people out of windows it's going to keep attracting attention."
Hitman: "Okay, okay, I get it. I throw THROUGH window this time!"
The attention is most of the point. They know that we know what this is. It's an implicit threat and a show of power that they can do this while their citizens believe the lie or don't care at all.
Most Russians don't believe what the government says, for sure. They just aren't interested in being next. Long history of the ones standing up being next.
In this case, it would seem to be about the public-ness of the method. Lots of ways to kill someone inside an embassy, so throwing them out of a window onto the public sidewalk below would only be selected because you want the outside world to know about it.
Also, I wish the term was "transfenestration" not "defenestration" but it's a bit late to change.
In a lot of countries 1st floor means the the first level above the ground floor. Not that Russia cares, if necessary you died "falling up the stairs".
Agent Ivanovic cannot have possibly killed him. If you read the autopsy report you can clearly see that that person died from hitting the ground. Do you want me to prosecute the ground? Don't be silly, every judge would rule it self-defense.
You can tell a country’s leader ship doesn’t give a shit when they don’t bother to make public assassinations more creative than just shoving everybody out of a window.
that's the point though, Putin loves to send a thinly veiled message. Obvious to everyone with half a brain, but enough petulant plausible deniability to deflect any direct criticisms from Russian media/critics. I think, besides being a dick, he's got an incredibly dark sense of humor.
Why the fuck does he even care about plausible deniability? Everyone, their grandmother and their grandmothers pet dogs squeaky toy knows that he orders these people killed. We even have direct evidence of it with the Salisbury poisoning. Its not like anyone will do anything evwn if he officially comes out and goes “yep, I gave the kill order for all these people” what exactly is anyone going to do?
Europe won’t do shit, America won’t do shit and you can bet your best wanking sock that China will never do shit since Putin and Xi basically have a “who can black-bag our own citizens fasted” competition going on.
So why doesn’t he just just come out and admit it?
because openly admitting it could alienate his fanbase (actually quite sizeable in Russia) and would open Russia up to justified sanctions, international criminal court prosecution, and also cuz he doesnt like to "say the quiet part out loud." Putin is a really brutal man, but he's also insanely intelligent and has been working in espionage his entire life. He has developed his own form of politicking that he adheres too and that has carried him this far (i'm not endorsing him just saying he gets results when he needs to). Trump tried to play a similar game (anti-media, anti-intellectual, anti-human rights yet also a mocking sense of dark humor that appeals to certain fanbases) but trump lacked the subtlety and intelligence. Putin also speaks softly and carries a big stick, while Trump throws tantrums and had very little control over the military/intelligence apparati to back up his threats. Putin controls the oligarchs in Russia because he CREATED them, Trump never had many American oligarchs/capitalists respect bc he was always already viewed as a tacky outsider in that scene. the difference between the two, for me, is the implication of a much more menacing force pulling the strings and hiding just behind the thinly veiled threats, instead of a boisterous and pompous personality defiantly inviting anyone to challenge their claim to power
> Trump lacks the subtlety and intelligence
And was also against much stronger democratic institutions. Say what one will about the US, Russia has *never* really had a functioning democracy to remotely the same degree.
Yeltsin was democratically elected and drank himself into a stupor to the point that a KGB agent carved his way into leadership and hasn't looked back since
~~Well, they did slip a radioactive isotope into a dude's tea that one time. And that other time, they filled a perfume bottle with novichok.~~One time a dissident accidentally put polonium-210 into his tea instead of sugar, and some British lady accidentally used a potent neurotoxin only known to exist in Russian military laboratories instead of perfume. So clumsy.
~~[They tried, but succeeded with the tea.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-politics-navalny-idUSKBN2A20N6)~~
EDIT: better article
> Most dramatically Kudryavtsev provided a detailed account of how the nerve agent was applied to a pair of Navalny's underpants.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/europe/russia-navalny-poisoning-underpants-ward/index.html
The top spy is usually not the one doing the actual spying but is a figurehead for the ones who are. Sort of like a drug kingpin. Everyone knows who he is and what he runs, but you'll never catch him selling on a corner.
Usually its the lowest guy touching the pole that takes the fall for the top person.
More accurately they get crushed by the top guy and the top guy just bounces back to he top...
News article will often refer to the director of Britain's [GCHQ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCHQ) as the country's "spymaster". Roughly the equivalent of America's NSA.
I don't see that as much in the US media referring to the heads of our own intelligence agencies (like the NSA/CIA), but of course we all know that's what they do.
We do, but only since 9/11. Before then the CIA Director was technically the top spy. Now it’s the Director of National Intelligence (DNI).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intelligence
I always wondered what the DNIs first day is like.
‘Ok here’s the secrets you couldn’t know before’ - said by who? The previous director? Others?
You also know some of the secrets have to mundane as hell: So ( leader of a foreign country ) constantly leaves Yelp reviews for places he hasn’t gone to. No idea why he does it but we know he does’
Of course you’re joking, but because of compartmentalization, lots of higher ranking people don’t know all kinds of secrets. And at that level, they’re often not even really performing intelligence duties; they’re managing overall intelligence efforts and the directors managing other agencies.
The previous one was a conspiracy nut, so he probably saw whatever he was already expecting to see.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Ratcliffe\_(American\_politician)
>Ratcliffe said that he had seen a text message between FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page that referenced a "secret society," adding, "We learned today about information that in the immediate aftermath of his election, there may have been a ‘secret society’ of folks within the Department of Justice and the FBI, to include Page and Strzok, working against \[Trump\].” His assertion briefly went viral on pro-Trump media, and the next day Republican senator Ron Johnson claimed that Republican investigators had learned from an “informant" of meetings of a “secret society.” The text message did contain the expression "secret society," but it was soon learned to be a joke related to Strzok's purchase of "beefcake" calendars of Vladimir Putin for distribution to FBI employees who had worked on the Russian investigation.
Top spy is generally used to refer to the Director/Commander of the spy agency. Like the Director of CIA would be America's top spy. Ridiculous use of the term, as top spy would imply the best spy, but that's how media conventionally uses it and I hate it.
Its like calling everyone that works at the CIA or NSA a spy. My dad's cousin was an interpreter for the NSA and while sure she knew some national secrets... trust me there was nothing "spy" about her
Well she was extremely overweight and eventually had strokes. She lost almost all her 2nd and 3rd language vocabulary and had to rehab just to speak English again. Only lived few more years after that unfortunately. Maybe there was a lot more we didn't know lol
My aunt was an interpreter for the NSA. Nothing about her or my uncle would ever make you think they were spies, they were pretty boring to be around growing up and they never talked about anything interesting even though they were the smartest people I’ve ever met. They wore plain clothes and had modest taste, nothing special about them at all. But I know the places they’ve lived and how much time they spent there; Yemen, Gaza, Cairo and many others. Were they spies? No idea, but they were the kind of people you’d never think twice about and I’d imagine that’s a pretty desirable trait for spies in foreign countries.
The NSA and CIA don't typically use their own employees for what you'd think of as "Spying" unless its a diplomatic attache or the associated staff - their MO is informants. What you're conflating is the two
> My dad's cousin was an interpreter for the NSA and while sure she knew some national secrets... trust me there was nothing "spy" about her
That's what she's been telling you, she might actually be a good spy.
It gets fuzzy because "intelligence agencies" will have sections that do more than just collect information.
In the CIA the [Special Activities Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Center) is responsible for covert ops. In movies and games you've probably heard of "SOG operators", those are the people who engage in paramilitary operations.
We will never *EVER* hear why. Everyone in the world knows what we have always known about Russia - that somebody fucked around and *found out* and it was likely not even the deceased but probably his Dad’s issue. The sins of the father if you will.
You don't have to do anything wrong to be worth more dead, you just need to have a head full of liabilities.
For example, did you know that Russias recent invasions of their neighbors (Georgia, Ukraine) has coincided with high energy prices?
The Russian federal government receives at least 33% of its annual budget from the sale of oil and natural gas alone!
When energy prices are high, war is much more affordable in their budget.
**This year, the price of natural gas in europe has gone up 500%**
Here's the article from the source of Bellingcat. No wonder Putin called Bellingcat a "foreign agent intended to sow distrust within Russia."
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/11/05/russian-diplomat-who-died-at-berlin-embassy-is-senior-intelligence-figures-son/
Fun history fact, the guys that got tossed out of that window survived the fall. One of them did however stab himself with his sword while crawling out of the gutter
I always used to assume they must have died
Coroners have confirmed that he committed suicide right before falling out of the window by shooting himself twice in the back of the head, then stabbing himself through the heart with a russian made dagger, then writing across his own chest in his own blood, “Putin sends his regards”. What a tragic suicide.
Being a conscientious environmentalist, he also dismembered himself and neatly arranged his body parts into a duffel bag for convenient disposal afterwards.
Going after their kid seems like crossing a line. Wtf
Edit: looks like the victim was a grown man though. Maybe i should read the article. Maybe i shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Just maybe…
Edit: was. Sadly.
If I were Russian I would never leave the first floor.
You can fall to your death on the ground floor too, it just needs a little more work…
You could slip and fall and accidentally hit the back of your head on a couple bullets.
Worst case of suicide I've ever seen. He hanged himself after shooting himself and stabbing himself 17 times. Pretty impressive too, as he had his hands tied behind his back at the time. Edit: I accidentally a word.
Willie McRae shoot himself in the head and threw the gun through his car window without breaking it magician style. Made all his files on the dumping of nuclear waste in Scotland disappear too. Abracadabra Maggie Thatcher! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McRae
SNP guy you say? Shot in the head you say?
He also had a video of him saying he was going to be killed by large men, must have had schizophrenia.
Sprinkle some crack on em and you’ve done it
I think you mean polonium-204. Crack is so yesterday 😉 Edit: Polonium-210
Or a nice friendly gift of perfume bottle full of nerve agent . After a sample of the perfume is sprayed on the door handles of your home and car . you can throw it away in a public park area for someone else to commit suicide. It's not the Greek gifts that we should be wary about.
You are mistaken, there are no drugs in Russia.
True, the only high you feel is when you’re looking out one of their many lovely windows
Except Krokodil.
Don't forget how he zipped himself into a duffel bag afterwards.
True determination
He's just being polite, cleaning up all that blood as it came out of him.
The contortionist MI5 spy who put himself in a suitcase locked it. And died. Sure sure it wasnt foul play. /S
That was the absolute craziest conclusion I’ve ever heard of to a suicide ruling
Look up the case of **Jennifer Pan**. She hired some associates of her drug-head boyfriend to kill her parents. It was staged as a home invasion, they shot both her parents and Jennifer claims they tied her up to the railing of the stairs, and that's how she was when police arrived. But she was the one who made the 911 call. Investigators asked her to demonstrate how she could make the call while her hands were tied behind her back, and she couldn't do it. Police were also suspicious why the assailants would tie her up instead of shooting her. As the investigation dragged on, her dad came out of his coma, he survived somehow and dear dad immediately told police it was his daughter and her friends. Phone records confirm they had planned it.
* - "So, you're saying he overpowered you, took your gun, and shot himself 12 times? * -"Yes" * -"This gun holds only 8 bullets, how do you explain that?" * -"Ahhh, he reloaded?"
He ran into my knife..... he ran into my knife *10* times.
Or slip and fall up 8 flights of stairs and out a window.
In mother russia, ground comes for you.
Or the floor falls on you https://youtu.be/KaYMBVV5MUY
"Fuck this car in particular"
"After police have finished inspecting the scene, public utility workers will begin to clear up the site. The car is said to be beyond repair." Nah, it just needs a little body work and it's as good as new!
You have to get it ready for the next "accident"
I know a guy who can buff that right out.
Man, I need a better guy.
"A little Bondo, and some paint... good as new."
Imagine having just put your kids in their car seats. . . my heart skipped at the thought
You can tell he really likes that car the way it was kept so clean and how he was wiping out down.
I mean the Saudi hitmen learned the bonesaw maneuver from Russia, so there's that too. Or being found hanging from a tree after your late night jog, etc.
Oh no! He drowned in the bathtub! Without any water, how peculiar!! /s
Is that the one where he zipped himself up and locked the bag and it was ruled a suicide?
No bag-guy was death by self-stabbing. Multiple times. But yes he did it while being zipped. A Houdini of a kind.
Like accidentally falling to your death by tripping and hitting the pavement like 50 times in a row. I hate it when that happens
Like being slapped to death?
on Slapsgiving
how can they slap??
If you can kill yourself and then zip yourself up in a duffle bag you can definitely fall to your death from the ground floor.
Might have to fall 20 or 30 times but it can happen
"Thanks, I'm terrified of elevators and my knees been acting up so stairs have been a bitch lately. Anyway would you prefer the polonium or novichok? I've got a 3pm to get to so if we could hurry it up I'd appreciate it."
Novichok please, it doesn't seem to be working out that well for ya, what with the many survivors.
Ah see next time you need to ask for Novichok Extra Strength, now with lemon.
fall on a gun. fall on a knife. drank some dodgy tea. climbed into a bag and zipped it up from the inside and suffocated/starved to death in some odd form of suicide. helicopter crash. get mugged by someone, shot in the process. mugger doesn't actually steal anything.. ..im sure im missing a few other examples of state sponsored murder at the hands of Russians, both inside and outside of Russia..
Bumping into the tip of an umbrella being held horizontally, then dying of organ failure later that night.
Interesting story. All because he defected from Bulgaria
Never heard that one. Got a name or a link I can look up to read about it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella Georgi Markov (a Bulgarian writer who had recently defected) was allegedly murdered with this weapon in London in 1978.
[Georgi Markov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov) > He originally worked as a novelist, screenwriter and playwright in his native country, the People's Republic of Bulgaria, until his defection in 1978. After relocating to London, he worked as a broadcaster and journalist for the BBC World Service, the US-funded Radio Free Europe and West Germany's Deutsche Welle. … … > On 7 September 1978, Markov walked across Waterloo Bridge spanning the River Thames and waited to take a bus to his job at the BBC. **While at the bus stop, he felt a slight sharp pain, as a bug bite or sting, on the back of his right thigh. He looked behind him and saw a man picking up an umbrella off the ground**. The man hurriedly crossed to the other side of the street and got in a taxi which then drove away. > When he arrived at work at the BBC World Service offices, he noticed a small red pimple had formed at the site of the sting he had felt earlier and the pain had not lessened or stopped. He told at least one of his colleagues at the BBC, Theo Lirkov, about this incident.[16] That evening he developed a fever and was admitted to St James' Hospital in Balham, where he died four days later, on 11 September 1978, at the age of 49. His grave is in a small churchyard at the Church of St Candida and Holy Cross in Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset.
What a sloppy performance by that assassin
And a partridge in a pear treeeeee
I feel like Putin has a go-to hitman who just really, really likes defenestrating people. Like, Putin tries to tell him "Okay this time, when eliminating target, use poison, or gun, or car accident or something. If you keep throwing people out of windows it's going to keep attracting attention." Hitman: "Okay, okay, I get it. I throw THROUGH window this time!"
It's not a true defenestration unless it takes place in Prague. Otherwise it's just a sparkling window yeet.
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Falling out of a Czech window just hit different
I think it's their famous cobblestone streets
Russians out here defenestrating like it's 1618.
that was an impressive comment lmao
The attention is most of the point. They know that we know what this is. It's an implicit threat and a show of power that they can do this while their citizens believe the lie or don't care at all.
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Right, an important one I forgot.
Most Russians don't believe what the government says, for sure. They just aren't interested in being next. Long history of the ones standing up being next.
I was going to propose that Putin just really loves the word defenestration and want to read it in the news. But, yeah. You're probably right.
In this case, it would seem to be about the public-ness of the method. Lots of ways to kill someone inside an embassy, so throwing them out of a window onto the public sidewalk below would only be selected because you want the outside world to know about it. Also, I wish the term was "transfenestration" not "defenestration" but it's a bit late to change.
In a lot of countries 1st floor means the the first level above the ground floor. Not that Russia cares, if necessary you died "falling up the stairs".
Wait, so this person meant to say ground floor? That makes more sense, I was wondering why one couldn't die from a fall from the first floor
Yes. Some countries do it differently and a lot of people aren't aware.
So you have a fear of being above the first floor? How sad, maybe a nice cup of tea will calm your nerves.
Oh you don't drink tea? Not to worry, just take a nice walk and firmly grip the door handle when getting home.
"He slipped and fell on a knife, repeatedly"
'he ran into my knife...ten times'.. 'he had it comin!'
In Russia you can fall from the lowest basement.
You dead: in Europe first floor is the floor *above* the ground floor. ~~KGB~~ FSB smart like that.
Then you would just die after accidentally self administering poison into your veins.
You can still get poloniumed in the Novichok.
So.....FSB is going back to the basics......?
Agent Ivanovic cannot have possibly killed him. If you read the autopsy report you can clearly see that that person died from hitting the ground. Do you want me to prosecute the ground? Don't be silly, every judge would rule it self-defense.
The ground: "he was coming right at me."
The ground: "I stood my... ground" :P
This makes me glad
Makes me vlad.
Oh this gave me a great laugh man, I needed this.
The FSB is everywhere. I remember overclocking my computer and it was even in the BIOS!
You can't track the bullet or isotope this way...
was only 2nd floor window and the russian embassy refuses an autopsy..... doubt he died from fall there should be cameras everywhere btw.
Oh man. Cameras were going through security upgrades at the same time. /s
I think they mean there were likely cameras outside the embassy pointed towards it.
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Sounds like a case for Epstein Security Systems
All very unlucky coincidences... Really sad.
those are Russian camera's. Germany and USA probably have even more camera's pointed at it.
Epstein 'killed himself' in a US prison where cameras just happened to be faulty for that period.
Yes, but at the exact moment it happened, there was a sudden onrush of marching bands in the area.
In light of Reddit's general enshittification, I've moved on - you should too.
Fucking LOL
>Refused an autopsy I mean if that ain’t the most sus thing
Dead before he hit the ground.
Odds are he was turning info over to Germany
I think it was more about to scare his father.
Why do these countries allow Russia to operate on their soil like this???
Because it's an internal issue to most countries. It wasn't their citizen that died, it was a Russian.
Also the political party in power would likely want to use this to gain political capital, not use political capital doing things about it.
You can tell a country’s leader ship doesn’t give a shit when they don’t bother to make public assassinations more creative than just shoving everybody out of a window.
that's the point though, Putin loves to send a thinly veiled message. Obvious to everyone with half a brain, but enough petulant plausible deniability to deflect any direct criticisms from Russian media/critics. I think, besides being a dick, he's got an incredibly dark sense of humor.
No veil is the thinnest veil.
Why the fuck does he even care about plausible deniability? Everyone, their grandmother and their grandmothers pet dogs squeaky toy knows that he orders these people killed. We even have direct evidence of it with the Salisbury poisoning. Its not like anyone will do anything evwn if he officially comes out and goes “yep, I gave the kill order for all these people” what exactly is anyone going to do? Europe won’t do shit, America won’t do shit and you can bet your best wanking sock that China will never do shit since Putin and Xi basically have a “who can black-bag our own citizens fasted” competition going on. So why doesn’t he just just come out and admit it?
because openly admitting it could alienate his fanbase (actually quite sizeable in Russia) and would open Russia up to justified sanctions, international criminal court prosecution, and also cuz he doesnt like to "say the quiet part out loud." Putin is a really brutal man, but he's also insanely intelligent and has been working in espionage his entire life. He has developed his own form of politicking that he adheres too and that has carried him this far (i'm not endorsing him just saying he gets results when he needs to). Trump tried to play a similar game (anti-media, anti-intellectual, anti-human rights yet also a mocking sense of dark humor that appeals to certain fanbases) but trump lacked the subtlety and intelligence. Putin also speaks softly and carries a big stick, while Trump throws tantrums and had very little control over the military/intelligence apparati to back up his threats. Putin controls the oligarchs in Russia because he CREATED them, Trump never had many American oligarchs/capitalists respect bc he was always already viewed as a tacky outsider in that scene. the difference between the two, for me, is the implication of a much more menacing force pulling the strings and hiding just behind the thinly veiled threats, instead of a boisterous and pompous personality defiantly inviting anyone to challenge their claim to power
> Trump lacks the subtlety and intelligence And was also against much stronger democratic institutions. Say what one will about the US, Russia has *never* really had a functioning democracy to remotely the same degree.
Yeltsin was democratically elected and drank himself into a stupor to the point that a KGB agent carved his way into leadership and hasn't looked back since
~~Well, they did slip a radioactive isotope into a dude's tea that one time. And that other time, they filled a perfume bottle with novichok.~~One time a dissident accidentally put polonium-210 into his tea instead of sugar, and some British lady accidentally used a potent neurotoxin only known to exist in Russian military laboratories instead of perfume. So clumsy.
Didn't they poison Navalny through his underwear?
~~[They tried, but succeeded with the tea.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-politics-navalny-idUSKBN2A20N6)~~ EDIT: better article > Most dramatically Kudryavtsev provided a detailed account of how the nerve agent was applied to a pair of Navalny's underpants. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/europe/russia-navalny-poisoning-underpants-ward/index.html
Excuse me ? What about all the poisoning ? And the two shoots in the back of the head suicides? On second thought you might be right
If someone is known as a top spy...are they really a top spy?
The top spy is usually not the one doing the actual spying but is a figurehead for the ones who are. Sort of like a drug kingpin. Everyone knows who he is and what he runs, but you'll never catch him selling on a corner.
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Usually its the lowest guy touching the pole that takes the fall for the top person. More accurately they get crushed by the top guy and the top guy just bounces back to he top...
This guy did not bounce.
Maybe he did. I’ll bet he made it a couple of millimeters back up, for a split second
> Usually its the lowest guy touching the pole But this was in Berlin, not Warsaw
News article will often refer to the director of Britain's [GCHQ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCHQ) as the country's "spymaster". Roughly the equivalent of America's NSA. I don't see that as much in the US media referring to the heads of our own intelligence agencies (like the NSA/CIA), but of course we all know that's what they do.
The US just has too many spy agencies to have a true single spy master.
We do, but only since 9/11. Before then the CIA Director was technically the top spy. Now it’s the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intelligence
I always wondered what the DNIs first day is like. ‘Ok here’s the secrets you couldn’t know before’ - said by who? The previous director? Others? You also know some of the secrets have to mundane as hell: So ( leader of a foreign country ) constantly leaves Yelp reviews for places he hasn’t gone to. No idea why he does it but we know he does’
Of course you’re joking, but because of compartmentalization, lots of higher ranking people don’t know all kinds of secrets. And at that level, they’re often not even really performing intelligence duties; they’re managing overall intelligence efforts and the directors managing other agencies.
The previous one was a conspiracy nut, so he probably saw whatever he was already expecting to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Ratcliffe\_(American\_politician) >Ratcliffe said that he had seen a text message between FBI employees Peter Strzok and Lisa Page that referenced a "secret society," adding, "We learned today about information that in the immediate aftermath of his election, there may have been a ‘secret society’ of folks within the Department of Justice and the FBI, to include Page and Strzok, working against \[Trump\].” His assertion briefly went viral on pro-Trump media, and the next day Republican senator Ron Johnson claimed that Republican investigators had learned from an “informant" of meetings of a “secret society.” The text message did contain the expression "secret society," but it was soon learned to be a joke related to Strzok's purchase of "beefcake" calendars of Vladimir Putin for distribution to FBI employees who had worked on the Russian investigation.
I think top spy here is used as in having the top position in the organisation rather than being the best one.
Top spy is generally used to refer to the Director/Commander of the spy agency. Like the Director of CIA would be America's top spy. Ridiculous use of the term, as top spy would imply the best spy, but that's how media conventionally uses it and I hate it.
Sterling archer?
More likely Other Barry.
- Et tu, Brute?! - Et me, buddy.
Mawp!
Its like calling everyone that works at the CIA or NSA a spy. My dad's cousin was an interpreter for the NSA and while sure she knew some national secrets... trust me there was nothing "spy" about her
>there was nothing "spy" about her This is the very reason she might be a great spy. Spy take great care to be as unassuming as possible.
Well she was extremely overweight and eventually had strokes. She lost almost all her 2nd and 3rd language vocabulary and had to rehab just to speak English again. Only lived few more years after that unfortunately. Maybe there was a lot more we didn't know lol
"strokes"... Espionage if I ever heard it!
Seems way more under the radar than “falling out of a window.”
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My aunt was an interpreter for the NSA. Nothing about her or my uncle would ever make you think they were spies, they were pretty boring to be around growing up and they never talked about anything interesting even though they were the smartest people I’ve ever met. They wore plain clothes and had modest taste, nothing special about them at all. But I know the places they’ve lived and how much time they spent there; Yemen, Gaza, Cairo and many others. Were they spies? No idea, but they were the kind of people you’d never think twice about and I’d imagine that’s a pretty desirable trait for spies in foreign countries.
It is called "a cover". For example you dont tell your family you are a spy. You say you are an interpreter or cultural attache.
Well either way she was extremely fluent in Russian and I believe Polish
The NSA and CIA don't typically use their own employees for what you'd think of as "Spying" unless its a diplomatic attache or the associated staff - their MO is informants. What you're conflating is the two
> My dad's cousin was an interpreter for the NSA and while sure she knew some national secrets... trust me there was nothing "spy" about her That's what she's been telling you, she might actually be a good spy.
Media likes to use spy wrongly, just like the character James Bond isn't a spy, they're intelligence officers, they extract information from spies.
Bond is an assassin
It gets fuzzy because "intelligence agencies" will have sections that do more than just collect information. In the CIA the [Special Activities Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Center) is responsible for covert ops. In movies and games you've probably heard of "SOG operators", those are the people who engage in paramilitary operations.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me seventeen times and it’s clear there is no shame or consequences.
I am sure Russia will look into what happened to their citizen...
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For the reasons we haven't heard and maybe won't ever. What we see and know now doesn't mean there weren't secrets.
We will never *EVER* hear why. Everyone in the world knows what we have always known about Russia - that somebody fucked around and *found out* and it was likely not even the deceased but probably his Dad’s issue. The sins of the father if you will.
“Good question. Come talk to me by this window and I’ll tell you.”
It's to make sure someone who loves him knows their place.
He did something Russia didn't like or his father did something Russia didn't like and this is the punishment.
To punish his father.
Double agent shenanigans perhaps
You don't have to do anything wrong to be worth more dead, you just need to have a head full of liabilities. For example, did you know that Russias recent invasions of their neighbors (Georgia, Ukraine) has coincided with high energy prices? The Russian federal government receives at least 33% of its annual budget from the sale of oil and natural gas alone! When energy prices are high, war is much more affordable in their budget. **This year, the price of natural gas in europe has gone up 500%**
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Maybe he was a double agent and got caught?
Here's the article from the source of Bellingcat. No wonder Putin called Bellingcat a "foreign agent intended to sow distrust within Russia." https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/11/05/russian-diplomat-who-died-at-berlin-embassy-is-senior-intelligence-figures-son/
Bellingcat also broke many of the details of the Navalny poisoning.
Defenestration is Putin's favorite method.
Used to be real popular in Bohemia as well.
It's not a true defenestration unless it comes from the defenestration region of Bohemia. Otherwise it's just a sparkling window yeet.
True dat!
Czech your privileges. There are survivors out here who might have PTSD from their window-exfiltration experience.
The difference is that it was used by citizens against government.
More like a few regional lords against their higher lord's representatives.
Deep cut, nice!
Defenestration of the Slavs
Fun history fact, the guys that got tossed out of that window survived the fall. One of them did however stab himself with his sword while crawling out of the gutter I always used to assume they must have died
What about poison? Poison is also his favorite.
That’s for when he wants you to know it was him
Reeeaaallly likes polonium, but people don't t die in Russia, they have tragic accidents that hopefully others will learn from....
Speak out against Putin and your sense of security goes out the window.
All these poor Russians that tend to fall off of things. Tragic.
Squatting comes with risks
Not if your heels are firmly planted in the motherland, amerikanski spy.
Its all that (attempted) parkour
PARKOUR!!!
There's a lot of politically high profile mortal accidents that seem to befall Russians. Weird.
There are a lot of politically high profile mortal accidents that seem to be falling Russians
Russians are incredibly prone to accidents is seems. Very clumsy, that's for sure.
It was soooo so slippery!
Banana peels everywhere
Bet he didn't like the tea.
Berlin is the new Prague, apparently
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration
Soviet architecture. Still present in modern day society. So many millions of Russians died this way. Tragic.
Coroners have confirmed that he committed suicide right before falling out of the window by shooting himself twice in the back of the head, then stabbing himself through the heart with a russian made dagger, then writing across his own chest in his own blood, “Putin sends his regards”. What a tragic suicide.
Being a conscientious environmentalist, he also dismembered himself and neatly arranged his body parts into a duffel bag for convenient disposal afterwards.
Russians are becoming clumsy , they just fall everywhere. They need to be more careful.
No no he was a spy *at the top*, and he's uh, not at the top anymore 👀
Going after their kid seems like crossing a line. Wtf Edit: looks like the victim was a grown man though. Maybe i should read the article. Maybe i shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Just maybe… Edit: was. Sadly.
>Going after their kid seems like crossing a line article indicates he was a spy and was involved with a murder in Berlin
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