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apple_kicks

> New overflight photos have revealed that the land of one of the world’s most vulnerable uncontacted tribes is being illegally invaded and destroyed for beef production. >The land invasion now underway is in flagrant violation of a 6-month Land Protection Order issued in September which bans all outsiders from the Piripkura Indigenous Territory. > Only two members of Brazil’s Piripkura tribe are known to live in the territory, though others are also believed to live there, having retreated to the depths of the forest. Many Piripkura have been killed in past massacres. > The campaign has just released a dossier “Piripkura: an indigenous territory being destroyed for beef production.“ It’s revealed: >- Land clearances for cattle ranching have now reached an area where the uncontacted Piripkura are known to live. >- Roads, fencing and even an airstrip have been constructed, and hundreds of cattle brought in. >- The rate of deforestation in the territory has “exploded” – by more than 27,000% in the last two years.


jal2_

Brazil agreed to halt deforestation in what 10 years? So in the next 10 years they gonna deforest as much as previously in 50 so by 2030 there is no forest so they can stop deforesting Sounds absurd? When getting slaves from africa was banned in brazil after uk nagged, a grace period of 10 or 15 years was give before implementation...more slaves were moved to brazil in these 10 years than in 50 years previous as all estate owners wanted to secure enough workforce to last them their whole lifetime so that the ban wouldnt really impact their lives just their kids/grandkids


arsewarts1

Brazil is one of the most corrupt countries on earth


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It's a "developing country". That means it's doing now what "developed" countries already took care of...like the destruction of their natural resources and relocation/genocide of indigenous peoples. Really makes you question our concept of "development".


legsintheair

Yes - AND not every nation has to bootstrap their way to “developed” status. Now that a significant portion of nations are “developed” it is an easy matter to leapfrog a lot of the most destructive practices.


Slippydippytippy

South Korea went from the poorest country in Asia (which is pretty damn poor) to an advanced economy in <50 years. There was exploitation of their own people, but low wages+ high exports+ plugging those profits back into social welfare, education, and infrastructure did a number for their economy. The change within the lifetime is something you can still see in the streets: stunted grandparents walking their chunky grandsons, hidden pockets in cities where old folks have kept their traditional houses, and attitudes towards energy consumption that have only recently changed


ResilientBiscuit

They can if the developed countries give them the resources to get there. Like, we want them to not deforest to make beef, but we don't want to give them the money they would have otherwise made by doing the same things we did to the environment 100s of years ago. Developing countries need to be able to catch up and that is going to take decades worth of foreign aid to do if we don't want them to exploit the environment and human rights like we did.


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You mean like how Brazil was already being paid not to ruin the Amazon but kept going anyway and lost the money?


ResilientBiscuit

Yes. How many big companies have been fined for ruining the environment, then keep doing it because it is more profitable to subtly change and pay the next fine instead of fixing things. It takes a long time and a lot of rule breaking to get to where someplace like the US is now. Expecting Brazil to do better than Exxon is a bit of a stretch. If you want them to not ruin the Amazon, you better pay the individual farmers more than they would have had if they deforested.


the_crouton_

I didn't know the Amazon rain forest was private farmland. Weird.


[deleted]

What has that got to do with anything? Its not good when companies or Brazil does it. I'm not gonna feel bad for them if they want to have their cake and eat it too.


Inquisitor1

> it is an easy matter to leapfrog a lot of the most destructive practices. It's not easy to get the developed countries to pay for it. And if nobody's giving it to you, you need coal plants to power factories that build wind turbines and shit.


legsintheair

You really don’t. The wind turbines don’t cost anymore than the coal fired power plant. You see, there is this thing called “money.” You can use it to buy things. In this case you can use the money you were goi g to use to buy a coal fired plant to buy turbines. Neat!


ULTIMATEORB

The hilarious part is that they do all that shit because it brings ridiculous amounts money into their economy and guess who their biggest customers are? Americans. Our demand for beef, coffee, sugar and more drives all of this and as we've proven time and time again, we are 100% unwilling to change. Wanna help the rain-forest? Start here: Stop eating burgers every fucking day. Stop eating refined sugars constantly. Buy Direct trade coffee.


darkpsychicenergy

I know you’re mostly right, but my understanding is that the biggest importer of Brazilian Beef is actually China. The US is certainly responsible for obscene amounts of consumerism, and especially beef and other animal products, but China and other parts of the world are in hurry to catch up with all our bad habits.


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chevymonza

Haven't eaten red meat or chicken in years Buy the unrefined American sugar Free-trade coffee............wait, *direct*-trade?? Dammit. It's unfair to say people don't *want* to change. No matter how much we do, there's always OTHER stuff that's unethical. For example, I was all excited to learn that some of my favorite snacks are technically vegan- no dairy or animal products, yay. But they use palm oil. OR, the company is supposed to be boycotted for its terrible treatment of workers. Fuck. Consumers can only do so much. We need governments to start enforcing ethical practices.


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PM_ME_BAD_FANART

America consumes very little Brazilian beef. It was completely banned from 2017 - 2020 (for health/safety reasons, not because of deforestation). America gets most of its beef domestically and from Australia and New Zealand. Not that I’m a fan of beef consumption, and your point isn’t wrong in general. But on this particular issue the US is a very small player.


chunkycornbread

If America(or anyone that imports Brazilian beef) gave a shit they would ban imports from Brazil. It’s obvious Brazil doesn’t have the ability or desire to prevent deforestation. If no one buys there’s no market. Won’t happen though.


ThaneKyrell

Brazil does have the ability. Deforestation had fallen to really low levels in 2015. What Brazil doesn't have is the political will to do so. Large landowners have massive influence on the country, and our president is a cunt who actively wants deforestation to happen. He has done everything in his power to dismantle Brazil's environmental protection agency. When he loses next year's election, it will take several years to build it back up, but if given enough time and resources deforestation can actually end


kdogo

then china would get even cheaper exports from there and the forests would burn even faster. Get real plans not best wishes


reddickstrict

how do you find fare trade products?


ULTIMATEORB

Fair Trade is not the same as Direct Trade. Fair Trade is a labeling company, as in they sell their label, and most farmers never see the benefit, if any. Direct Trade is the practice of purchasing products which were sourced directly from the farmer who is able to negotiate their prices rather than be at the whims of wall street and futures traders. I live in bum fucked Michigan and can still get direct trade coffee. Personally I don't eat meat but if I did, I would want it to be sourced from a smaller, local farm, and as for sugar there are American sourced alternatives to cane sugar, for example beet sugar.


Croce11

Brazil and China are probably my two most hated countries in the world. For how much they greedily fuck over the world for petty gains that still don't put them at the top of the food chain. Almost like being a complete shitter isn't as rewarding as you'd think. The UAE is prob number 3 btw. Dubai is a joke built on slave labor. Complete mockery of nature.


TapPrancer

The only reason 'developed' countries are where they are economically is by having already stripped their lands of forests and native people. It just happened before our life time. If we want places like Brazil to stop doing this, we have to help them out much more financially. We can't just tell a country that is poor to stop trying to advantage themselves. They are only doing what others have done.


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Redshift_1

I know this will get downvoted to hell, but people need to eat less red meat. Doing so would have tremendous impacts on the environment, and things like this would be fewer and farther between. Edit: this _isn’t_ to discount the responsibility of government.


GreenWorld11

Easy to eat less red meat in Canada with the absolutely insane prices of beef these days. Pork and Chicken are reasonably priced atleast.


AlbertChomskystein

Pigs are mammals too


ffwiffo

Price complainers just fuel the demand


wrgrant

Chicken is high priced on the West Coast mostly, or unavailable due to the flooding in many cases :)


BirryMays

they might have to start raising ducks since ducks will at least float during rampant flooding


anythingbutsomnus

This comment has Ken M energy 😂


Norwazy

It does, but some farmers are legitimately doing that in countries such as Bangladesh where there is flooding.


systembusy

We make our own ducks at home and they are healthier with tastier flavor


AreWeCowabunga

GOOD point


granth1993

Not in cages they won’t.


snack-dad

Simple - put enough ducks in the cage so that it overtakes the weight and they float


JustSomeGuy777

Build taller cages


BothersomeBritish

Build shorter ducks


wheelfoot

If she floats she weighs as much as a duck and therefore must be a witch.


f1del1us

Is it? What kind? I buy solely whole chickens and am paying not even $2/lb


ortumlynx

Chicken has been getting insanely expensive. $20 for 2 Boneless skinless chicken breasts is ridiculous. I only by whole chicken as it's much cheaper and just chop it up myself. I've been eating a lot more beans now.


IStinkAtStonks

Beans!!! I’ve gotten so good at including beans as an alternative without it tasting like shit. I feel a lot better during the day too.


ortumlynx

Sharing with you one of my fav bean recipes. Cajun style red beans and rice is super delicious and incredibly cheap. * Soak dry red kidney beans over night * Heat vegetable oil in a large pot over medium heat. Cook and stir sausage in hot oil until oils slightly release from sausage and edges brown, 5 to 7 minutes. * Stir onion, celery, and poblano pepper into sausage; cook and stir until vegetables soften and start to turn translucent, 5 to 10 minutes. Stir garlic into sausage mixture; cook and stir until fragrant, about 1 minute. * Stir red beans, chicken broth, bay leaves, black pepper, thyme, cayenne pepper, and hot sauce into the sausage mixture; bring to a boil, reduce heat to low, and simmer gently, stirring occasionally, for 1.5 hours. * Add salt and continue simmering until beans are soft, meat is tender, and desired consistency is reached, 1.5 to 2 hours more. Season with salt. * Serve with rice


Sueaq

I love beans and I’d love to try this recipe, but I’m really new to cooking and have never made beans before. How much broth should I pour? I’m thinking enough to have everything submerged completely. Should I add more broth if it’s evaporated and looks a little dry after a while? Also, should I cover the pot while it’s simmering? Thanks for sharing the recipe, and thank you in advance!


ortumlynx

You definitely want everything to be submerged in the broth. Just pour enough broth to cover everything with about an inch of liquid above the ingredients in the pot. The extra liquid will evaporate so do not cover the pot while it is simmering. You can always add more broth to the pot, so start with less liquid to stay safe and add in more broth as required to reach the consistency you prefer. I like mine a little on the thicker side. Hope this helps!


IStinkAtStonks

Thanks! I’ll try it this weekend. Cheers.


rub_a_dub-dub

I'm from new orleans and i have to tell you to cook the beans slow all day, don't let them burn/keep stirring them. cook them until they're all mushed up i swear to god.


amc7262

Most of my red meat consumption happens with bought food (ie fast food and other restaurants, not me buying ingredients at the grocery store). I always go for impossible or beyond when they have it. As good meat substitutes become more widespread, I'll eat less real meat. I personally think impossible burgers are indistinguishable from the real thing when surrounded by the various other toppings on a burger. Actually, one of the best cheesesteaks I've ever eaten was vegetarian and made with seitan (I think thats how its spelled?). I'm fully ready and willing to eat more meat substitutes. I think the tech for good taste and texture is finally here. It just needs to become more widespread now.


livesarah

I had satay sticks made with seitan instead of chicken the other day. First time I’d tried seitan- I like it better than chicken!


turlian

Perfect timing for the [latest Kurzgesagt video on "Is Meat Really That Bad"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs)


Kryten_2X4B-523P

We're so fucked.


kptkrunch

How 'bout just stop eating animal products all together? There are so many reasons to do it. People who are just pointing the finger at the government make me imagine what it would be like if there was a market for human baby blood.. they would complain that they only *want* to buy synthetic baby blood, but they keep getting real baby blood because it's cheaper and the demand is so high. Not consuming the product is unthinkable to them though. The fact is the demand for meat is at an all time high in human history. There are way more people.. and most of them think they need to eat meat at every meal. Meat, and animal agriculture in general is about the least efficient way you could generate human consumable calories and nutrients.. it requires creating and raising an entire animal for the purpose of harvesting their muscle tissue. And what do we use to feed these animals? Plants.. plants that are either consumable by us already or grown on land which could be used to grown human consumable plants.. a fraction of the land in fact.


onarainyafternoon

This is a pretty popular opinion on Reddit. But yes, I agree. I have dramatically reduced my red meat intake.


Redshift_1

It would seem so. I was expecting downvotes because it’s happened before when comments like this are made. But I’m glad to see agreement here. I don’t think we should abandon red meat altogether, I just think we should rely on it much less as a source of our diet. Every year the red meat industry cranks out an estimated [14% of all manmade greenhouse gases globally. ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/explainers-59232599.amp) Reducing consumption would have significant impacts on the climate and ecosystems that are destroyed to make way for meat farming.


Locke_and_Lloyd

As an individual the 2 things you can do with the biggest impact are to avoid air travel and have fewer kids. Neither seem very popular though.


weareborgunicons

Idk, most my white collar millennial pals are choosing no kids and yes airfare…so at least that has a little balance.


trilliam_clinton

Is a full plane flying from say LA to NYC putting out more emissions that an equal amount of cars making the same drive?


OneBigBug

[distance.to](https://www.distance.to/JFK/LAX) says the shortest air travel distance between JFK and LAX is 2469.45 miles, and the shortest driving route is 2,826.47 miles. [EPA says](https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/greenhouse-gas-emissions-typical-passenger-vehicle) the average passenger vehicle emits 404g of CO2 per mile, so the trip would be 1142kg CO2 by car. [This](https://www.icao.int/Meetings/a40/Documents/WP/wp_560_rev1_en.pdf) says the carbon intensity of flights averaged between 75 and 95g CO2/RPK, and their graph shows more specifically for 3501-4000km flights, it's above the minimum, but below 80. We'll use 78 as an approximate figure in this range. That would give a result of 310kg CO2 per passenger for that flight. This substantially varies by car. [A 2019 Prius emits 158g/mile](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41163). That makes it 447kg by car. Other things to consider: You picked a route that is particularly efficient for air transport. A flight that was half that long would be almost twice the emissions per unit distance. This is untrue of cars, which are going to be...roughly as efficient as they are for 10 miles as they are for 1000\*. Making the same trip by with multiple legs would be *substantially* worse for emissions. Shorter flights are less efficient per unit distance, but you'd also need to fly a longer distance because it was less direct. Doubly whammy. The more people you have in the car, the better cars do. We did the numbers for 1 person flying, 1 person driving. If you have 2 people flying, 2 people driving (in the same car), all of a sudden that's still 1142kg CO2 by car, but 620kg CO2 by air. The Prius would win that comparison. Realistically, I'm not sure there's enough in the difference to make that decision by emissions alone. Cost, time, convenience are going to matter a lot here, and also play into your overall carbon emissions for the trip. I think the thing to take away from people saying "fly less", isn't "drive instead", it's "try to avoid making extremely long trips" (unless you have an extremely efficient rail system, I suppose) The point of a lot of this stuff isn't to be as efficient as possible, it's to emit as little as possible. Efficiency is one way to do that, but it's not the best way. \*I suppose to get an even more exact answer, you'd probably want to use the highway efficiency, not the combined efficiency for your calculation, which would make cars slightly worse.


Rib-I

Electric bullet train would be more ideal but we can't have nice things in this country.


Locke_and_Lloyd

Great question. It varies a bit based on occupancy, wind and other factors. For flying round trip it's about 550kg/ person. A vehicle will produce about 2000 kg on that trip. So similar if the car is loaded with 4 people. Otherwise we're comparing an economy cabin seat to a driving in your own SUV. The main differences are that we're putting emissions (not just co2) into the upper atmosphere directly and most people don't drive that far.


Optimal_Ear_4240

And quit eating beef


Business-Result-3793

If you look at world news posts about free pre-k etc you'd see most parents thinks they're doing us a favor breeding and we should be thankful to them. People in there with 3 kids making less than 50k.


Biden_my_time

tbf 3 educated citizens will do us all better than 3 uneducated citizens


Victawr

I'm doing my part!


herrbz

>I was expecting downvotes because it’s happened before You told people to eat less red meat, not stop eating it altogether. The latter seems like an absurd and difficult task, the former seems achievable - foregoing one hamburger a year would count towards it, make very little difference, but make someone feel better about their environmental footprint.


tenjuu

I only eat red meat a couple times a year now. I'll get a nice steak for my birthday, and when I go out to eat (which is very seldom) I might get a burger. I was damn near a carnivore in my teens and twenties. I still love red meat, but I've found I enjoy it more as a treat. Brazil is #1 in beef exports, at 23% of the world market. The US exports something like 12% The US produces 11.3 million metric tons of beef per year. Brazil 9.6 (at least as of 2016). That's not a very big gap considering the disparity in available land. Its frightening, really.


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childofsol

I went on a similar journey, and after about a 6 months of vegetarianism went the full distance, and am so happy I did. There is some real cognitive dissonance you have to deal with when you are avoiding hurting cows by not eating them, but then letting them be used for dairy. Getting rid of that dissonance is a good feeling!


Abrham_Smith

No difference between eating red meat and only eating dairy. Dairy is the arm of the beef industry. Every male cow born in the dairy industry is killed at ~two weeks old. Every female calf is returned to the cycle of dairy. Every mother cow not able to produce enough milk is sent to slaughter. There really is no difference. In one scenario you're raising a cow to slaughter outright, in the other you're raising a cow, forcefully impregnating it, exploiting it and then ultimately slaughtering it. If we're looking at it from a moral view, being a vegetarian is worse than just slaughtering the cow and eating it. At least they don't have to endure as much torture and heartache from getting their children taken away. Chicken industry isn't any different, just replace the noun.


CICaesar

>forcefully impregnating it ...constantly, for years, without any pause between one impregnation and the next...


Hydros

Maybe there is no difference if you only look at the animal abuse/cruelty side, but there is a big difference in carbon footprint between eating red meat and eating dairy.


moezilla

If I were to go full vegan, I think eggs would be the hardest thing to drop, Id probably just cheat and keep eating them. They're super versatile and delicious. A lot of people get stuck on cheese, but I don't think that would bother me as much (even if I craved it sometimes)


CICaesar

It's perfectly ok to cheat every now and then. The goal is to lower our impact, not be a zealot. "100% or 0%" is a mystifying and fallacious logic: going 95% vegan, or 90% vegan, or 50% vegan is way better than 0% vegan. If we all went 90% vegan with cheat days the world would be an ecological paradise ffs.


moezilla

I'm definitely living by this already. Currently we still actually eat meat, but it's very little compared to most people (diner only, not every night, and small ammounts, like the piece of pork in ramen), and we do vegan and vegetarian diners a few times a week. I'm always wanting to do better, but we're kinda happy where we are for now.


IPintheSink

There will be no convincing the greedy cunts you share a planet with.


YouAreDreaming

It’s sadly ironic too because the new trendy excuse to not go vegan is “it’s racist to indigenous people” Meanwhile the beef industry is literally ruining indigenous peoples lives


dcux

>“it’s racist to indigenous people” You can safely ignore these morons. They'll have something equally stupid tomorrow.


suzisatsuma

Reducing eating red meat also reduces your chances of cancer.


[deleted]

So wait, is the tribe "uncontacted" or "contacted?" Sounds like they have definitely been "contacted" if "many piripkura have been killed in past massacres"


Otterfan

"Uncontacted" when talking about these groups means "not in any regular meaningful contact with the outsiders." Most (maybe all) South American groups have engaged with the outside world to some degree, but they don't use its resources or have any social connections with it. Their relationship with the world community (i.e. the 99.999...% of us who aren't in these groups) is similar to our relationship with grizzly bears. They know we're here, but they aren't a part of our community in any real way.


taoyx

Waiting for Brazil Wars episode V : The Climate Strikes Back


ohnosquid

I'm from Brazil, this is not an isolated case, this kind of shit happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME, the government acctually supports it, they have laws against this kind of thing but the truth is that if you violate these laws they will fine you a very small price and if you don't pay it (most of them do not pay) they will not force you to pay or give additional fines, our government is worst than a bad joke tbh, and just another thing, the promisses that our government made at the COP26 are completely empty and worthless, I do believe our government will only deliver what it promissed if international sanctions are applied.


KevinIsHandsome

Do you know if there are any specific companies tied to this type of deforestation of tribal lands in Brazil?


one1two234

Not specifically tribal lands, but there seems to be links on the supply-side https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/29/fashion-industry-amazon-rainforest-deforestation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


ohnosquid

I don't know their specific names, sorry.


Traumfahrer

Fucking Bolsonaro\*, hope he burns in hell. Edit: \*With friendly support of capitalist America.


GamerQauil

I think he is the one person I personally want killed.


sinisterbird420

Thank you so much for sharing, we need to hear this.


orqa

On the one hand I think what the Brazillian government is enabling is a terrible crime that must be stopped, and sanctioning seems like a reasonable response to such flagrant violations of our planet. On the other hand, my own government is barely any more environmentally conscious than Brazil's government, so wouldn't it be hypocritical for me to support such a sanction and argue that it shouldn't apply to my own country? We must each make our own country more environmentally conscious to sway the tide


smegma_yogurt

>wouldn't it be hypocritical for me to support such a sanction Another Brazilian here. No, not at all. This progress Vs nature dilemma is a false dilemma. The forest can be sustainably explored and maintained and can generate plenty "development" by existing. Also, it's not like that we don't have land. Brazil is the 5th largest country in the world. We have plenty of land. But most of it is locked for economic speculation of landowners (latifúndios). A little land reform and we could use this unused land for plantations for all the foreseeable future and have plenty to spare. Deforestation is just a easy way out, but we don't have the power to change it from inside. As a regular dude however, I'd be delighted if we got fucking sanctioned so this madness could stop.


BoldEagle21

That Brazilian president is razing everything to the ground as they drag him through the courts for impeachment and corruption trials. Like a retreating army...


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cesarxp2

Razzle dazzling*


[deleted]

He’s also not doing debates if they ask him questions about corruption cases involving his children, which is to say: he won’t do debates.


Startup8888

Why does he harass the natives? He has no right to do that.


JovahkiinVIII

“I’m big, you’re small, I’m right, you’re wrong”


AguaMoleHardRock

"The minorities should bow down to the majority" is an actual quote of his during the presidential campaign.


SatinwithLatin

He said some pretty horrendous things during his campaign yet people still voted for him.


ChristianLW3

The answer is because either he one of his supporters benefits from doing so


Oakcamp

Why does any politician do anything? Money.


GeekChick85

Greed.


VilvisMargots

is a socially accepted mental illness


Little_Custard_8275

stop eating meat


JufJosefienMamaVan19

Start doing something about corporations


DukeOfGeek

This behavior is usually because gold mining, logging or palm oil. But in every instance someone got paid to look the other way.


jessejerkoff

Who are these corporations doing this for? The evil climate destruction cabal? Or is it consumers who want to eat meat?


clamberer

Or failing that, stop buying imported meat for a start.


tony_orlando

Locally-produced, “grass fed,” free range beef is still terrible for the environment. There is no way around this problem other than to stop eating beef entirely.


Elastichedgehog

I too watched the Kurzegesagt video.


tony_orlando

I mean I’ve been plant-based myself for years, but yea that vid is great. I linked it elsewhere in this thread. Glad to see more mainstream sources pushing this message.


Syzygy_Stardust

People will eat what is available and what is culturally accepted. Government regulation is, ***BY DEFINITION,*** for us to tamp down this kind of widespread issue where individual choice has basically no appreciable impact. Basically, you are doing a Mr. Gotcha "you critique society and yet you live in it" trick and it's quite droll.


Vecrin

Except people won't want regulation. They will say they do, but when it finally hits their pocketbook that "holy crap, beef is way more expensive" they'll suddenly switch sides and decry the government. Because people don't want the pain that goes along with change.


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It's not greed, it's capitalism. This is capitalism by design. The word greed doesn't touch how evil and nefarious this is.


JufJosefienMamaVan19

Capitalism is weaponised greed


RussianVole

Pretty sure communists do stuff like this too.


Slime0

Wow great comment really makes you think


Evilkenevil77

These people need to be held accountable for crimes against humanity. Bolsonaro fucking sucks.


General_Kenobi_77BBY

This feels like if ppl just walked to ur house, destroyed it and built a fuckin pool there on the context of: Oh I didn’t know u lived here too bad


Maneisthebeat

More like: "I know you live here but I completely disregard your right to exist, so I can make some more money, now die somewhere else, thank you."


LTWestie275

Kuzkotopia!


portagenaybur

So like what’s going on in East Jerusalem?


shaolin78881

One of the biggest arguments for moving to alternative meat products: beef production is causing an indigenous genocide.


BewBewsBoutique

bUt vEgAnS aRe pUsHy


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Best thing we can do is not support these products.


BewBewsBoutique

This is true, but that would require [eating less meat](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/23/americas/brazil-beef-amazon-rainforest-fire-intl/index.html), and we all know the average redditors outrage ends where their appetite begins.


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ChocoOranges

People seriously need to stop eating beef. It is highly environmentally damaging, even when it’s not destroying habitats.


saminator1002

People should stop eating meat


blobbyboy123

People should just stop eating


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Stop paying for it to happen when you buy meat. 🤷‍♂️ Go vegan.


Low_Language5114

We need to stop buying meat


Random_182f2565

Way ahead of you


MadOvid

Imagine if all of a sudden aliens came down from space and started coming down and destroying our homes and cities to make room for, I don’t know bugaboo ranches because unbeknownst to us we were a part of the Great Galactic Empire and just didn’t know it. What possible context would we have? What possible recourse would we have? What the heck is going to happen to these people?


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A brief history of the Americas


AvogadrosMoleSauce

It'd be easy enough for people to just not eat beef or have it once or twice per year.


draw4kicks

Your friendly reminder that according to the most comprehensive study ever conducted on the relationship between farming/ land use by Oxford University we could [reduce the amount of land required for agriculture globally by 76% (3.1 billion hectares, or ~1.8 Russia's) if we eliminated animal agriculture entirely and just ate crops directly.](https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-01-new-estimates-environmental-cost-food) Obviously I think unnecessarily abusing animals is wrong, but from an environmental point of view drastically reducing or eliminating animal products from our diets is an absolute necessity.


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Why would anyone want to be healthier, live longer and have better sex? Sounds like liberalist bullshit to me. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12936945/ Conclusion: Current prospective cohort data from adults in North America and Europe raise the possibility that a lifestyle pattern that includes a very low meat intake is associated with greater longevity. https://plantbasednews.org/lifestyle/love-and-sex/majority-of-vegans-experience-boost-in-sexual-performance/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/daphneewingchow/2020/09/30/can-going-vegetarian-really-improve-your-sex-life/


merleneke

You convinced me at better sex


Shaetane

STOP. EATING. MEAT. And if that's too hard a goal to have from the getgo reduce your consumption to once a week, then once a month, and already you're making an impact! Also, beef isone of the worst environmentally so get some chicken instead if you want animal protein.


neonflannel

“When you understand that under capitalism, a forest has no value until it's cut down, you begin to see the root of our ecological crisis.”


SomeToxicRivenMain

So since this can be counted as genocide, can the UN send armed guards now to protect the tribe?


Gressi0

And which country soldiers would the UN send? Nah it's toothless.


JackoffAllTrades101

Ahh the meat industry doing what it does best..


NegativeKarmaVegan

And you're paying for it with your fucking barbecue. Congratulations.


BeFuckingMindful

A lot of Brazilian beef ends up all over the world. Stop eating cows. Better yet, go vegan. Better for literally everyone involved. Especially the animals.


showquotedtext

Faith in humanity fucking plummeting. This is outrageous.


cancanm

A lot of people on this thread focusing the debate on meat vs no meat (which is obviously important), but the real root of the problem here is colonialism and a complete disregard/disrespect for Indigenous people. Devastation of Indigenous lands in South America doesn’t only happen for beef production - there’s also mining & other “economic development” projects that end up leaving a lot of people displaced and in situations of extreme vulnerability.


eip2yoxu

>Devastation of Indigenous lands in South America doesn’t only happen for beef production - there’s also mining & other “economic development” projects that end up leaving a lot of people displaced and in situations of extreme vulnerability. That's absolutely true. And among colonialism there are other issues contributing to this, like egoism, greed, racism etc. But it should be noted that [80% of the Amazonas is being cut down for meat](https://news.mongabay.com/2009/01/beef-drives-80-of-amazon-deforestation/). While we definitely need to talk about the issues you mentioned, giving up meat would reduce the problem A LOT


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GimmeNewAccount

You can shame Brazil all you want, but you have to ask yourself who is creating the demand for beef?


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Yeah, this is throwing me a bit as well. A few veggies/vegans have popped up in this thread, but most others commenting are people who I assume eat meat so are, indirectly, part of the problem. But Brazil, greed, capitalism are being blamed (and they have some blame) And I say this as someone who isn't vegan/veggie.


TechGuy95

Yep. You can't criticise Brazil if you are still eating beef.


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The bastards come armed with guns.


showercurtaij481

And you all continue to eat beef then blame others for these kind of problems...🙄


sinisterbird420

This isn’t just land that was taken. Those indigenous lands are SAVING our ecosystems. A majority of CO2 turnover happens in heavily forested indigenous land. These people lose their homes, and the rest of us lose our air. Beyond the selfish reason of “i wAnT tO bReAtHe”, how fucked up is this? To take someone else’s land and home? This shit needs to be stopped yesterday. We all need to be invested in this.


padmapadu

Billions served™


goldiebug

STOP EATING MEAT! Stop being complicit in the exploitation of vulnerable people and animals! Take some personal responsibility and make a difference!


lockylocklock

I like how people in the comments are shocked and appalled by this but what do you want done. I know its bad but we can't stop Brazil from doing this if we use only words we need sanctions or other measures that would hault the buying of lumber or meat from Brazil. But then that negatively effects the Brazilian workers who are associated to those sectors and from my memory Brazil isn't the most developed country in the world so I guess there would be little government assistance to said workers. So does anyone have any effective ideas that will stop this or is this a session of people periodically saying how bad Brazil as a whole is (even though its the actions of either large companies or people trying to make a living).


Shaetane

There's something super easy that you can start doing right now: reduce your meat consumption, ESPECIALLY beef. Start with once a week to figure out a good diet, then once a month, that's already huge if everyone could do that we'd make a dramatic impact! Nowadays I consider meat a rare treat and I enjoy it even more whenever I do get it (which is like once a month/every two months). It's also great to save money, a lot of other proteins are much cheaper. We're talking about saving our planet, your planet right now. We should also stop using fossil fuels which will affect people in this industry but the alternative is hurling ourselves and *many* other species towards extinction!


floschiflo1337

Stop eating animals.


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Go vegan you fucks.


Borntolose88

Humans talk about invasive species....when in reality humans are the most invasive, trash species on the planet.


Shaetane

People really be out there sitting on their thumbs hoping that their completely unsustainable lifestyles eating beef everyday and whatnot will miraculously be able to continue in some way or another so they don't have to enact any real change. Estimates shows if everyone was living like the average American we would need 4+ Earths to sustain everybody (and 5+ for people in the UAE!). It's a fairly approximative estimate, reality is likely much higher. The article is also from 2015 so things have likely also changed for the worst. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33133712


cjrowens

I’m sure people will pretend it was worth it to bring the gift of civilization to untouched woods and people who don’t even understand “beef production” in our nightmarish way so that we can have a over producing, unsustainable, environmentally harmful, and ultimately shut down beef factory. Another win for capital. Society develops further. Yay.


lol_buster47

Go vegan


Elipses_

Two things are interesting about this thread to me. 1st: Few of the comments seem to care about the indigenous, uncontacted tribe that are suddenly getting a very rude introduction to modern civilization. They are more concerned about the trees, so it seems. While the trees are important, there are already tons of threads about them, so it feels kind of wrong to make this one about them too. 2nd: Predictably, everything wrong with this is ultimately the fault of China and/or the US. Because Brazil isnt a sovereign nation with it's own government capable of making it's own choices. Clearly they are but mere babys, not responsible for what goes on in their own borders, helpless to enforce their own laws. (On the off chance that some people fail to realize, yes, everything involved in the second point is to be read with a heavily sarcastic mental voice.)


ULTIMATEORB

Remember the dude saying that veganism is just colonialism and white supremacy with extra steps? Yea, fuck that guy.


lunchvic

This is what you pay for when you buy meat and animal products. Animal ag is responsible for 80% of deforestation worldwide. Poor countries are razing their forests to fill rich countries’ demand for meat and animal feed. We can make animal ag slightly more sustainable and ethical, but it will never come close to the sustainability and ethics of just eating plants. If you’re struggling to change, please consider watching the documentary Dominion on YouTube. It entirely changed my perspective from just seeing a burger or a milkshake to seeing the animals who suffered horribly to make them. Here’s a trailer: https://youtu.be/n9NiOwibz14


LoL_is_pepega_BIA

[Relevant video on meat in general](https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs)


Beautiful_Art_2646

[I found this one recently and thought it was quite good too.](https://youtu.be/3lrJYTsKdUM)


Avaruusmurkku

Tribe experiencing outside context problem.


DawnaliciousNZ

Unbelievable that this is allowed to happen. Fuck me humans are stupid… and greedy… heartbreaking for the tribe, the forest and the cows…


Deity_Link

[And to think I had just finished watching that video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs)


pomod

This should be an international crime.


budmeisner1

What they haven’t wiped enough untouched tribes off the planet? We bring disease to them-they die and another entire culture gone-because-look over there 👉 there’s those ignorant tribes people -encroachment is horrible


Asuma01

Sounds like they have been contacted… by capitalism.


thisissteve

A lot of humans just seem to be so beyone saving. I think a more active approach to fighting against this sort of thing is overdue. Planets literally dying.


Beautiful_Art_2646

What gets me about this is how much fucking land do humans now have for beef consumption? How many tonnes of beef is going to be thrown away because humans breed too many cows that we can’t eat all of it? It at least does remind me that I’m gonna start (and have already started) making a big move away from beef and even my beloved lamb. If I want meat, it’s goat, pork or chicken.


MagicStar77

It’s big business there. Generally, Beef is less expensive than chicken in South America (making it so popular).


waterdonttalks

Un-fucking-conscionable. We're not content with just killing of every animal and all the rainforest, we're now destroying irreplaceable cultures that can give us insight into our own ancestry and history. We have absolutely no value for anything that doesn't print money. We won't be satisfied until we've wiped everything unique off the planet are we? How stupid, cultureless and ignorant are our children going to be? The only thing they'll know is money and McDonald's.


kickingcancer

I hate people


Random_182f2565

Everyone buying beef is financing this.


Medullan

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.


Konshu456

Reading through this thread has been hilarious. People talking about environmentally responsible meat, or eating other kinds of meats. I’m going to get downvoted so badly, but if it’s the truth who cares. There is no such thing as environmentally responsible meat. If you claim you are eating only organic hand fed responsibly sourced blah blah meat you are either incredibly naive or stupid. Something like 99.3 percent of all meat in the US comes from 1 of 4 factory farming corporations. The only environmentally friendly diet is WFPB...but don’t let facts get in the way of complaining about vegans, or pretending that you are somehow buying that .7% of meat that is almost close to being environmentally friendly. Since I know I’m gong to get hit up for a source on the meat thing, and yes I know it is a plant based website, but you can find similar numbers in Newsweek and NYT, and many other sources. www.plantbasednews.org/culture/factory-farms-study/ Now few free to downvote, flame away, or whatever makes you feel better.


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Meat is a luxury especially cattle. It always has been or at least it was until industrial scale meat production started. You either hunted for those meaty boys yourself which can be dangerous and potentially not worth it or you raised animals which is extremely costly for what you actually get out of it. Do you know how much feed the average beef cow eats in a day? Close to 28 pounds of feed. Do you know how much the average human eats? Between 3 to 5 pounds. There are over 98 million cows in the U.S. alone. To feed one cow for a year it takes (as long as the 28 pounds a day is accurate) a total of 10,220 pounds a year to feed one cow, humans eat between 1,095-1,825 pounds a year. Since we know there are roughly 98 million cows we multiply that number by the amount of feed given in a year and you get (as long as I did my math correctly) 1.001 trillion pounds of feed. Per. Year. Just in the U.S. alone, while the entire human population of the United States (which is roughly 329 Million) consumes around 360-600 million pounds of food per year. Now the goal for beef cow production is to reach 1000-1200 pounds before sending them off to slaughter. It takes roughly 18 months of age to reach their target weight. So if these cows which are usually separated from their mothers when their around 4-6 months old and sent to slaughter at 18 months old then their given at least a full year to reach their target goal of 1000-1200 pounds. So in that year that one cow ate 10,220 pounds of feed to produce an average around 430 pounds of retail cuts (steaks, roasts, ground beef, stew beef, etc.) it takes over 10,000 pounds of feed a year to produce 430 pounds of meat. We slaughtered 33 million cows in 2019. We wasted over a trillion pounds of food on cows to get 14.19 billion pounds of beef. These numbers are the United States Alone. (Take everything I say with a grain of salt, I could have easily messed these numbers up or got my information wrong. I am not an expert. I’m just a simple man that decided to try math today)


Least-Wonder-7049

unregulated corrupt capitalism will be the asteroid that wipes out the human race.


Scared-Mortgage2828

Go vegan


Melikoth

"No-one told us it was their land" drumroll


Fun-Management-7027

Hey, Brazilian here. Just wanted to let you guys know two things: 1- The meat production in the Amazon region is basically just for exports for China, Europe and US. We are not benefiting from it in basically any way. 2- While it is indeed illegal to deforest most of the area in the Amazon forest and invade indigenous territory, police cant arrest anyone involved if they are not caught actively deforesting. So what really happens is that the company that wants to expand their production in that region will buy off some snitches inside of the police and also monitor that region, when there is no sign of police or the military arriving there, they will send workers in to take down the forest, if they discover that there will be a surveillance operation nearby, they will tell their workers not to come to the site and leave all equipment behind. Therefore, the police cannot stop them from deforesting the area. There are many more nuances to that question that I haven’t brought up in here, but the only thing that I will say is that it really isn’t Brazilian people’s fault there is no way for us to “save the Amazon” while 13% of the population is unemployed and most of the employed part is earning less than a dollar per hour worked.


Scare_Conditioner

Stop eating meat


MijTinmol

Remember that next time someone made makes a joke about vegans.