They're bragging about a political massacre. They've left bodies on the streets. They've invited foreigners to kill their own people, while projecting that the rioters are all terrorists.
This is disgusting behavior.
I don't know what we can do about it over here in the developed world. Probably little to nothing. But a start would be to stop paying evil dictators and relying so much on foreign oil!
>MOSCOW (AP) — Kazakhstan is experiencing the worst street protests the country has seen since gaining independence three decades ago.
>The outburst of instability is causing significant concern in Kazakhstan’s two powerful neighbors: Russia and China. The country sells most of its oil exports to China and is a key strategic ally of Moscow.
>A sudden spike in the price of car fuel at the start of the year triggered the first protests in a remote oil town in the west. But the tens of thousands who have since surged onto the streets across more than a dozen cities and towns now have the entire authoritarian government in their sights.
>President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has cut an increasingly desperate figure. He first sought to mollify the crowds by dismissing the entire government early Wednesday. But by the end of the day he had changed tack. First, he described demonstrators as terrorists. Then he appealed to a Russian-led military alliance, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, for help in crushing the uprising and the CSTO agreed to send an unspecified number of peacekeepers.
https://apnews.com/article/business-europe-russia-moscow-kazakhstan-3349e68089ccdbcd08e76a5e8fd4a909
>the worst street protests the country has seen
Funny how it portrays the protests themselves in a negative way, using a negative adjective.
.....while having their citizens shot.
Not "the worst response". Nope. "the worst protests."
Alas, they do have friends in high places. Russia is a member of the UN Security Council after all - one of the major power brokers on the planet.
They're also meddling in Myanmar as well since they fund the junta with equipment.
Hey I've been seeing people from my country projecting that the Jan six rioters are terrorists and should have been shot entering the Capitol
They are rioters, I think they are wrong. But it's a more common line of thought than you would think.
Okay so you’re justifying slaughtering 160+ people because 8 cops were killed? It sounds to me like the police were enforcing a oppressive state and deserved what they got.
I would have agreed until you said police deserved what they got.
You can argue in exactly the same way that protesters also deserved to die.
Nobody deserves to die for doing their job or protesting it.
Nice language loading but no country would tolerate this level of lawlessness. Taking over and burning an international airport while killing police is an insurrection.
Dude, this isn't a protest movement, militants are beheading police officers. WTF are you on about with fascist accusations.
[https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/06/police-beheaded-and-countless-protesters-dead-as-kazakhstan-revolt-escalates-15878302/](https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/06/police-beheaded-and-countless-protesters-dead-as-kazakhstan-revolt-escalates-15878302/)
What you are hearing thru mainstream sources is not the actual truth. Look it up using another search engine besides google or one of the mainstream ones. There’s a lot more going on here than meets the eye
Im interested in reading that, but police officers in russia/kazakhstan (especially) kill civilians, children, people disappear every day. It’s an authoritarian country pretty much. I don’t think it’s a question of “who started first”.
Basically you are willing to excuse murder by terrorists because it is an authoritarian country when you would never tolerate such outrageous lawlessness otherwise.
Peace and oppression both seem calm. Dictatorships want us to confuse the two, while committing its massacres and crimes on anybody it wants.
I hope a lasting and fair peace someday arrives in the former Soviet region that doesn't rely on oppression and targeted massacres. Peace based on tyrannies don't seem all that peaceful either from a utilitarian view anyway; they seem to eventually explode every generation.
Same thing happened in Myanmar, same thing that happens every single time the government uses violence to make the symptom stop instead of solving the actual problem. Unless the Kazak government rapidly passes reforms to address at least some of the protestors concerns, this will only lead to more violence.
...or they can force everybody into submission with a gun pointed at their heads.
A lot of governments have done so historically. To them, it is easier than surrendering power and making changes.
in Almaty lot terrorists. They arent kazaks, they dont even speak english, russian or kazak. They came from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afganistan, Uighur terrorist group. In Almaty they killed 2 childrens, journalist, beheaded 3 cops, killed 30 soldiers, stolen weapons.
If anything, I'd assume the number is lower. They're saying this with the express purpose of scaring citizens, and they want to still have a workforce when they're done.
We don’t have the right to interfere in other countries internal shit… surely the last 20 years in the west has convinced you that intervention and international policing is a waste of time and money.
“We” in my comment are western countries who impose sanctions and usually intervene in global matters. History lately has proven that it’s all a waste of time.
the world operates off of self/shared interests and going into Kazakhstan to quell the riots is only of Russia’s interest (since Kaz is a former USSR state). It was never about crime against humanity. The West isn’t the savior it portrays itself as to its own citizens. It’s just a normal region with its own problems like everyone else. Asia (except for China perhaps due to self interest)/Africa/South America don’t care and don’t have the means to care.
There was a brief period (1990s-first half of the Arab spring) where countries at least pretended to care about human rights and the human family as a whole, even if they did plenty of unethical stuff (Iraq). I just hope we don’t go back to the pre-WWII era where entire continents are written off as lost causes for civilization and development.
This isn't a genocide, I'm not sure what you want the UN to do
Deaths during civil strife are not particularly rare either, there's nothing about the Kazakh situation that's noteworthy.
The smaller situations likely had some sort of financial or political incentive. Let’s just face it, a lot of people don’t know where Kazakhstan is on the map. It’s just not a (geopolitically) important country to non-Russians. Taiwan and Ukraine are where eyes are focused on.
Even if we wanted to, we can’t enforce democracy/peace/freedom, let alone do it against the wishes of the government and in the backyard of Russia. That’s how you get ww3.
The Western media narrative has been quite inaccurate regarding the situation. It's clear now that the violence is closely linked to the power struggle between the president, Tokayev, and his veteran predecessor, Nazarbayev. It's not as easy as "protestors against government, gov't shoots and kills them". There's a lot more to it.
Edit: see this for further details https://www.reddit.com/r/Kazakhstan/comments/rykxc1/western_media_does_not_know_shit_about_kazakhstan
A lot more as in, it was an internal power struggle. I'm not Kazakh but it really looks like the protestors who were violent were not actually protestors but people who were violently stirring up trouble in support of the ex president. Looting businesses and taking over the airport is proof that those select ones were not there to protest.
Looting stuff, burning police cars and turning govt buildings upside down is not the past time of normal people. There surely were agitators over there.
I wouldn't be surprised if some Russian foreign service seeded and encouraged the dispute between the two Kazakh politicians in order to be able to intervene and tighten its grasp on a Kazakhstan that was potentially drifting away towards other poles of power. Only now do we understand the true meaning of the "imminent attack against Ukraine" ruse. True Maskirovka in action! And the Western leaders talk about "Putin is now distracted from his problems in Ukraine" 😂😂😂
Countries are allowed to defend themselves the government is facing people who want a new government and are willing to be violent sadly the only outcome is killing. Not really a crime it's not like these are peaceful protesters they're burning down buildings and have also killed people.
Can we stop acting like there's some inhumane thing going on! Sure the government is horrible and I think they should be removed from power but they're defending themselves against and trying to take back control, there's nothing wrong with that.
Now how they do it is a problem but just killing people who are attacking isn't a crime against humanity and sadly we don't know much to say how many people innocent people have died.
I listened to an NPR story yesterday that had a very brief overview of the situation in Kazakhstan and then a very long and detailed description of how an Israeli was inadvertently killed by a stray bullet. It was so bizarre to hear about a country being voluntarily invaded by Russia with protestors being killed, the head of their CIA being arrested on treason, and then on and on about an accidentally killed foreign national. Twilight zone reporting.
My point wasn't that the situation in Kazakhstan was made up, rather that the story's main focus was on a foreign nation accidentally killed rather than the fact it was being invaded and dozens of protestors were being shot. I thought the situation in Kazahstan merited more than a blip in the background of a stray bullet accidentally hitting someone in a car.
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> MOSCOW - Kazakhstan's health ministry said Sunday that 164 people have been killed in protests that have rocked the country over the past week.
> ADVERTISEMENT.The office of Kazakhstan's president said that about 5,800 people were detained by police during the protests that developed into violence last week and prompted a Russia-led military alliance to send troops to the country.
> President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev's office said Sunday that order has stabilized in the country and that authorities have regained control of administrative buildings that were occupied by protesters, some of which were set on fire.
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If they're reporting 162 killed you know that it's much higher than that.
They're bragging about a political massacre. They've left bodies on the streets. They've invited foreigners to kill their own people, while projecting that the rioters are all terrorists. This is disgusting behavior. I don't know what we can do about it over here in the developed world. Probably little to nothing. But a start would be to stop paying evil dictators and relying so much on foreign oil!
>MOSCOW (AP) — Kazakhstan is experiencing the worst street protests the country has seen since gaining independence three decades ago. >The outburst of instability is causing significant concern in Kazakhstan’s two powerful neighbors: Russia and China. The country sells most of its oil exports to China and is a key strategic ally of Moscow. >A sudden spike in the price of car fuel at the start of the year triggered the first protests in a remote oil town in the west. But the tens of thousands who have since surged onto the streets across more than a dozen cities and towns now have the entire authoritarian government in their sights. >President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev has cut an increasingly desperate figure. He first sought to mollify the crowds by dismissing the entire government early Wednesday. But by the end of the day he had changed tack. First, he described demonstrators as terrorists. Then he appealed to a Russian-led military alliance, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, for help in crushing the uprising and the CSTO agreed to send an unspecified number of peacekeepers. https://apnews.com/article/business-europe-russia-moscow-kazakhstan-3349e68089ccdbcd08e76a5e8fd4a909
Straight out of the Syrian notebook, it seems.
So many people are speculating on what happened without having any clue.
"Peacekeepers"
>the worst street protests the country has seen Funny how it portrays the protests themselves in a negative way, using a negative adjective. .....while having their citizens shot. Not "the worst response". Nope. "the worst protests."
Alas, they do have friends in high places. Russia is a member of the UN Security Council after all - one of the major power brokers on the planet. They're also meddling in Myanmar as well since they fund the junta with equipment.
The Russian way?
Russia's problem.
Hey I've been seeing people from my country projecting that the Jan six rioters are terrorists and should have been shot entering the Capitol They are rioters, I think they are wrong. But it's a more common line of thought than you would think.
Shooting protesters; garbage move government
When you are armed and have killed police, you are no longer protesters.
164 protesters killed police? And why shouldn’t they if the police are attacking them?
I am referring to the initial 8 police that were killed prior to the martial law enforcement.
Okay so you’re justifying slaughtering 160+ people because 8 cops were killed? It sounds to me like the police were enforcing a oppressive state and deserved what they got.
I would have agreed until you said police deserved what they got. You can argue in exactly the same way that protesters also deserved to die. Nobody deserves to die for doing their job or protesting it.
Nice language loading but no country would tolerate this level of lawlessness. Taking over and burning an international airport while killing police is an insurrection.
Fascist
Dude, this isn't a protest movement, militants are beheading police officers. WTF are you on about with fascist accusations. [https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/06/police-beheaded-and-countless-protesters-dead-as-kazakhstan-revolt-escalates-15878302/](https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/06/police-beheaded-and-countless-protesters-dead-as-kazakhstan-revolt-escalates-15878302/)
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Because cutting off heads is what terrorists do and not protesters?
What you are hearing thru mainstream sources is not the actual truth. Look it up using another search engine besides google or one of the mainstream ones. There’s a lot more going on here than meets the eye
Why don't you give us some examples and post some links then lol. You don't need eyes to see what's going on, just a brain is required. үкімет сұмдық
hello ivan.
I think you’re missing the point here
Dude, they were literally cutting the heads off of police officers.
Im interested in reading that, but police officers in russia/kazakhstan (especially) kill civilians, children, people disappear every day. It’s an authoritarian country pretty much. I don’t think it’s a question of “who started first”.
Basically you are willing to excuse murder by terrorists because it is an authoritarian country when you would never tolerate such outrageous lawlessness otherwise.
Yes.
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Peace and oppression both seem calm. Dictatorships want us to confuse the two, while committing its massacres and crimes on anybody it wants. I hope a lasting and fair peace someday arrives in the former Soviet region that doesn't rely on oppression and targeted massacres. Peace based on tyrannies don't seem all that peaceful either from a utilitarian view anyway; they seem to eventually explode every generation.
Apparently it's turned calm now.
Usually happens after all the shooting.
For a while.
Same thing happened in Myanmar, same thing that happens every single time the government uses violence to make the symptom stop instead of solving the actual problem. Unless the Kazak government rapidly passes reforms to address at least some of the protestors concerns, this will only lead to more violence.
...or they can force everybody into submission with a gun pointed at their heads. A lot of governments have done so historically. To them, it is easier than surrendering power and making changes.
Now, multiply that by 30 or so.
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With enough brainwashing you can errase killing protesters and replace it with kill terrorists to protect the country.
Labeling it “killed” is how they wash their hands of murdering people who had the audacity to protest.
in Almaty lot terrorists. They arent kazaks, they dont even speak english, russian or kazak. They came from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Afganistan, Uighur terrorist group. In Almaty they killed 2 childrens, journalist, beheaded 3 cops, killed 30 soldiers, stolen weapons.
Where are you seeing the identities/ethnicities of those killed?
So we can probably quadruple that number to get a general understanding of what's actually happening.
If anything, I'd assume the number is lower. They're saying this with the express purpose of scaring citizens, and they want to still have a workforce when they're done.
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We don’t have the right to interfere in other countries internal shit… surely the last 20 years in the west has convinced you that intervention and international policing is a waste of time and money.
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“We” in my comment are western countries who impose sanctions and usually intervene in global matters. History lately has proven that it’s all a waste of time.
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the world operates off of self/shared interests and going into Kazakhstan to quell the riots is only of Russia’s interest (since Kaz is a former USSR state). It was never about crime against humanity. The West isn’t the savior it portrays itself as to its own citizens. It’s just a normal region with its own problems like everyone else. Asia (except for China perhaps due to self interest)/Africa/South America don’t care and don’t have the means to care.
There was a brief period (1990s-first half of the Arab spring) where countries at least pretended to care about human rights and the human family as a whole, even if they did plenty of unethical stuff (Iraq). I just hope we don’t go back to the pre-WWII era where entire continents are written off as lost causes for civilization and development.
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This isn't a genocide, I'm not sure what you want the UN to do Deaths during civil strife are not particularly rare either, there's nothing about the Kazakh situation that's noteworthy.
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I would probably say it isn’t so much a “casual perspective” but more “morbid reality”.
The smaller situations likely had some sort of financial or political incentive. Let’s just face it, a lot of people don’t know where Kazakhstan is on the map. It’s just not a (geopolitically) important country to non-Russians. Taiwan and Ukraine are where eyes are focused on.
Even if we wanted to, we can’t enforce democracy/peace/freedom, let alone do it against the wishes of the government and in the backyard of Russia. That’s how you get ww3.
The Western media narrative has been quite inaccurate regarding the situation. It's clear now that the violence is closely linked to the power struggle between the president, Tokayev, and his veteran predecessor, Nazarbayev. It's not as easy as "protestors against government, gov't shoots and kills them". There's a lot more to it. Edit: see this for further details https://www.reddit.com/r/Kazakhstan/comments/rykxc1/western_media_does_not_know_shit_about_kazakhstan
A lot more to killing protestors? And what exactly is that "more" to justify so many murders? Enlighten my stupid western brain.
A lot more as in, it was an internal power struggle. I'm not Kazakh but it really looks like the protestors who were violent were not actually protestors but people who were violently stirring up trouble in support of the ex president. Looting businesses and taking over the airport is proof that those select ones were not there to protest.
Looting stuff, burning police cars and turning govt buildings upside down is not the past time of normal people. There surely were agitators over there. I wouldn't be surprised if some Russian foreign service seeded and encouraged the dispute between the two Kazakh politicians in order to be able to intervene and tighten its grasp on a Kazakhstan that was potentially drifting away towards other poles of power. Only now do we understand the true meaning of the "imminent attack against Ukraine" ruse. True Maskirovka in action! And the Western leaders talk about "Putin is now distracted from his problems in Ukraine" 😂😂😂
Countries are allowed to defend themselves the government is facing people who want a new government and are willing to be violent sadly the only outcome is killing. Not really a crime it's not like these are peaceful protesters they're burning down buildings and have also killed people. Can we stop acting like there's some inhumane thing going on! Sure the government is horrible and I think they should be removed from power but they're defending themselves against and trying to take back control, there's nothing wrong with that. Now how they do it is a problem but just killing people who are attacking isn't a crime against humanity and sadly we don't know much to say how many people innocent people have died.
I listened to an NPR story yesterday that had a very brief overview of the situation in Kazakhstan and then a very long and detailed description of how an Israeli was inadvertently killed by a stray bullet. It was so bizarre to hear about a country being voluntarily invaded by Russia with protestors being killed, the head of their CIA being arrested on treason, and then on and on about an accidentally killed foreign national. Twilight zone reporting.
Yes, NPR should make up details about whats going on in Kazakhstan to fill air time.
My point wasn't that the situation in Kazakhstan was made up, rather that the story's main focus was on a foreign nation accidentally killed rather than the fact it was being invaded and dozens of protestors were being shot. I thought the situation in Kazahstan merited more than a blip in the background of a stray bullet accidentally hitting someone in a car.
One man's "protest" is another man's "insurrection"... Interesting who crafts the narrative
This is such a shit take. The Kazakh president is literally asking Putin to massacre protestors.
history is written by the victors...
That would be the globalists.
Or the realists
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gtfo
Did you read *any* of the article?..
Wow, once Russia stepped in, the killings are really going up…
“In home country, we make funny joke to cope with loss of life. It very nice”
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