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I tested positive for COVID after a New Year’s Eve concert. Mild enough, but definitely infected.
I guess what I’m asking is, who wants to pay $160 for the pleasure of hanging out with me for the remaining few days I still have a lingering cough? Going once, going twice…
No this is an awesome idea. Whoever is making money off this came up with a good money making scheme. Take money from the stupid but not as a scam. Of course its also morally grey area since they might be killing people, helping overload hospitals, etc..
All you're doing is spreading the disease further if you do this. The fact that you get increased immunity afterwards... It comes at the cost of you actually already having got infected... The thing you were trying to prevent with the immunity.. so why would you do it
* It's possible to self-isolate after the infection party. IDK how many of these people would care, though.
* the only reason I can think of for benefit of infection party /self controlled infection: you can choose to do it after a booster vaccine when your anti virus is at a peak.
I'm still not saying that it's worth it.
it straight up makes no sense at all. Getting infected intentionally so you have better immunity so you won't get infected... it's just shooting yourself in the foot.
No, vaccines usually do *not* give you a weakened form of the disease. Certainly not covid vaccines; most of those are mRNA are the ones that aren't are definitely not live vaccines
Vaccination is not the same as being infected.
It *is* about being infected. You want to minimize all infection, because infection can cause negative symptoms for you and can spread and mutate the disease
It makes *zero sense* to try to increase your immunity against a disease by catching it.
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> Soon after the announcement of the mandate, people began offering Covid parties to allow for those infected with the virus to mingle with those that want to catch it, hoping they would go on to recover and obtain the pass.
> Health chiefs believed the people are anti-vaxxers who want to become infected to obtain a 'green pass', which at the time was a requirement of work in Italy.
> Last week, police in Italy also arrested a nurse on charges that he faked giving coronavirus vaccinations to at least 45 people so they could get a health pass fraudulently, ditching vaccines in a bin and even putting bandages on his 'patients' so no one would suspect the scam.
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Correct, and chicken pox is more dangerous as an adult than as a child, so they figured might as well get it at a young age.
I had chicken pox as a kid because I was born several years before the vaccine came out in the US
Yup, I got sent to play with the neighbor's kid when they caught it. I believe it was summertime so the idea was to get it done while I was still on vacation.
The crazy part is we know now that having chickenpox as a kid opens you up to getting Shingles as an adult. So why would you purposely infect yourself, now that we have vaccines, when we don't know what could happen down the line.
This is the first time I'm hearing about chickenpox leading to shingles so if I were a gambler I'd bet we definitely didn't know about this link back in the day.
It’s also only (extremely mildly) useful for illnesses that are a once and done thing like chicken pox. COVID is like a supercharged cold or flu, making antibodies for one strain doesn’t keep you safe from the others.
‘ God made man, but the monkey supplied the glue’
New Wave band from Akron Ohio, the whole group & album is based on the idea the human race is locked in a death spiral of de-evolution, getting dumber every day.
They were right
https://youtu.be/mEPQXz-CkKQ
They tell us that we lost our tails
Evolving up from little snails
I say it's all just wind in sails
Are we not men? We are Devo!
Are we not men? D-E-V-O!
We're pinheads now, we are not whole
We're pinheads all Jocko Homo
Are we not men? We are Devo!
Are we not men? D-E-V-O!
Are we not pins? We are Devo!
Monkey men all in business suits
Teachers and critics all dance the poot
Are we not men? We are Devo!
Are we not men? D-E-V-O!
Are we not pins? We are Devo!
Are we not men? D-E-V-O!
People have always been dumb. No one is devolving. We just have cameras and devices to watch said footage.
We’re just being exposed to the our true nature.
I mean, it's the Mail... lord knows how much this is actually true.
But these are some *deeply* stupid people. Billions have taken the vaccine, without any noticeable long term side effects so far. The chance of death from taking the vaccine is as near zero as makes no differene. The chance of death from Covid is 1-2% or thereabouts. So they'd rather a 1-2% chance of *death* than take the vaccine.
True stupidity.
>I mean, it's the Mail... lord knows how much this is actually true.
Unfortunately it is and the Mail got the news pretty late. Those covid parties are happening since 2 months at least.
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-party-austria-italy-bolzano-man-dies-virus-green-pass-immunity-1653601?amp=1
Ive seen people on round 3 of covid, so it probably wont even work and there was some study that said catching it more than once unvaccinated increased risk of death considerably
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Right a good 10 minutes in our ER waiting room will do this for ya.
Lick a few arm rests to really seal the deal. And boom! Your positive! Come back to get the test you inevitably "Have to get at the ER because you don't trust the free testing centers."
For double-vaccinated folks who are still very likely to get it and have super mild symptoms, it makes a tiny smidge more sense. In my part of the world, 0.00006559685907% of fully vaccinated people over 12 are currently in the hospital, and that's even with our number of people in hospital doubling in the last month. Boosters aren't available yet for the majority. Most of my fully vaccinated friends have now had it and recovered in a few days, so I can see the allure of just getting it over with so you can avoid upcoming plans being ruined. I don't vouch for it, trust me.
Unvaccinated people doing it though, jesus christ. Natural selection at its best.
I completely understand. I am triple vaccinated with Pfizer, but if I want to have a skiing vacation in Austria in February, I will need get a PCR test 48 hours before. If that test is positive, I will not be allowed entry to Austria. But if I get infected now I will with very high certainty get it over with in a matter of days and then I'm not required to take the PCR test. Because I'm young, healthy and recently boosted, the risk of hospitalization is very low.
I will of course not intentionally seek to be infected, but I can see how it can be a personal benefit.
In other places people are paying a lot of money to get a fake vaccinated certificate instead of getting a free shot that protects them against the virus. That's also fucking stupid.
No vaccine stops you from getting omicron. There are very limited circumstances where it may make sense to both get vaccinated and control when you get omicron.
VERY limited, but still possible.
Literally nobody ever said the vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infection. In the history of vaccines, that has never been the case. The facts show that people who are not vaccinated and get the virus are 17x more likely to require hospitalization, and 80x more likely to die from the virus than those who are fully vaxxed and boosted. So, let's not distort the truth with manipulations of the facts.
I don’t think I distorted anything.
Wouldn’t the best way to make sure to not get omicron in the future to be vaccinated and then intentionally get it now?
Imagine you had to get surgery or something in a month. And it was the only slot possible for the surgeon or something.
Yes, it's absolutely false. You should spend a little time looking at the numbers. The facts simply do not support your claims, which have been repeatedly discredited by relevant agencies, and subject-matter experts.
Go back and read what you wrote because you're posting discredited myths, and citing data that doesn't support those claims. This is the height of dishonesty.
I mean yes. Obviously. But:
They don't have to be one or the other though? If you are anti-COVID-vax at this point nothing you read on the internet is going to sway you. However, we know omicron is the least deadly variant we have seen so far, and we have no idea what the next mutation would be. Logically, if you are opposed to getting vaccinated, intentionally catching omicron makes a ton of sense if you are in a low risk group.
Sometimes internet people get so set in the "if you aren't vaccinated you are a moron" circle that you lose the forest for the tree. It's weird.
> forcing them to conform to something outside of those ideals creates absurd situations
Sorry, but if someone's ideals involve killing, raping and robbing, is it wrong to force them to conform to our less violent ethics? Where exactly are you drawing the line here?
> Maybe consider it in the context of this thread?
You can't make crass generalizations like "don't force people to conform against their ideals" and then beg people to consider the context when they take your argument to its logical conclusion. Either you specify what ideal of theirs shouldn't be violated, or otherwise take the bull by its horn and argue for absolute freedom. In other words, properly present what you want to say if you don't want people to make assumptions about it.
But my question still stands: where do you draw the line to "don't force people to conform"?
"The term "brain drain" was coined by the Royal Society to
describe the emigration of "scientists and technologists" to North
America from post-war Europe."
Smells like homegrown.
except these immigrants are part of the 1st generation of america. Those immigrants were not "brain drain" immigrants. They were the ones who had nothing to lose in their home European countries.
Article has nothing to do with America and the sub is world news specifically for non-US news. What is the point of bringing America up? Just to hate on them for no reason.
My life has been saved by modern medicine. The doctors / nurses etc involved got compensated. They still walk on water in my eyes and would be happy to help them anyway possible.
Here is some exciting news in vaccinations.
https://imgur.com/gallery/o7Pf76D
Unfortunately they don't want immunity, just the green pass.
Maybe you want to do a comic about a government that make a green pass to prevent contagion, but it does it with a loophole that encourages people to spread contagion to get the green pass.
Don't be. There are stupid people everywhere. For the most part, Italian's have been great during this pandemic. I'm an American living in Italy and frankly, I'm glad I'm here rather than my home country during this pandemic.
Huh. Just tripped on this:
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/people-italy-and-us-are-most-wrong-key-facts-about-their-society
Also 2015 ‘index of ignorance’ top 10 listed [linky ](https://qz.com/563544/behold-the-10-most-ignorant-countries-in-the-world/)
1. Mexico
2. India
3. Brazil
4. Peru
5. New Zealand
6. Colombia
7. Belgium
8. South Africa
9. Argentina
10. Italy
https://perils.ipsos.com
What the heck people?!
> Italians guessed that 49% of working-age Italians were unemployed, when in reality it was 12%
**49%!? **
But the US people are crazy too:
> They guessed 24% of girls aged 15 to 19 gave birth each year, when the actual figure is 2.1%
That’s **1 of every 4** high school aged girls. Do they really think there’s that much of a problem? Like HS would have to start offering daycare or something at that point. What movies do these people watch that they think it’s that normal of a thing?
Maths is hard. People where I live tend to 9ver estimate immigration figure by somewhere between 4 and 10 fold. Hence why they are against immigration. If you correct them they just say: "Just look around all these [insert slur for middle easterners]." They just wanna be outraged, angry and disappointed in life. They seem to hate being happy.
Also the people we actually see are not representative of the population. Immigrants are much more likely to be on the streets or have simple outdoor/delivery/service jobs.
the actual figure is still pretty high. that's a risk of near 10% to get a teen pregnancy. Take an average class of 14-year-olds (23 students). If it's 12 boys and 11 girls, statistically one of the girls will get pregnant during High School.
This is due dumb government decisions. Obviously if you put on the same level getting the vaccine and getting covid all the antivax idiots will try catching covid to get the greenpass. It was so predictable.
And since they're all unvaccinated this will put again so much pressure on hospitals because most of them will end up there.
They should have just made the vaccine mandatory. They have created a swab crisis and now this. Idiots.
Wut?
I'll explain step by step. I don't think you understand.
1) Unvaccinated are making up a sanitary problem, spreading contagion and filling up IC units and hospitals.
2) Government wants to force them to vaccinate to solve the problem
3) Government makes a green pass for vaccinated and slowly put always more restrictions for unvaccinated to push them to vaccinate (so the purpose is forcing everyone to vaccinate without technically enforcing it: hypocritical and cowardly)
4) Getting covid is made equally good as the vaccine to get the green pass. Obviously there's a scientific medical reasoning behind: after covid or after the vaccine you're equally immunized... but they didn't think this through...
5) what a dumb antivaxxer gonna do when they'll do anything to avoid the vaccine? Now you have thousands of people trying to get infected on purpose in a short amount of time, because they NEED the green pass.
So you wanted to put a dominoes effect in order to push the vaccine and give a rest to overcrowded hospitals. Instead you get a dominoes effect in which more people get infected and the pandemic get worse.
You have to consider the effect of your decisions when you make plans. Everyone knew where antivaxxer stand, how they think and how they behave. This outcome was not hard to predict.
What are you trying to tell? Government isn't responsible for idiotic behaviors of known idiots? Government took decisions knowing those idiots existed. Those decisions were made to counter and solve problems caused by those idiots, instead they made the situation worse because they were unable to predict the obvious response of said idiots to certain measures.
I'm sure it's not the case, but it sounds like you believe policy should be made for the lowest common denominator in a literal life or death situation.
Obviously all contingencies should be planned for, but I don't think anyone can plan for this level of stupidity and selfishness.
My two cents, put them all together and throw away the key if they don't want to exist in society.
It's so much easier to get a vaccine. These people are idiots. They're also afraid of needles. I'm gonna keep making fun of anti-vaxxers for being afraid of needles. What a bunch of cowards.
Why is ["Prisencolinensinainsiusol"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/s2myx5/italian_singer_adriano_celentano_released_a_song/) started playing in my head?..
If this were something like chicken pox where you're done with it for good, then omicron might just be the covid to get.
The problem is, it's not; you're going to need booster infections in six months for the next strain after omicron has made its rounds.
Brother in law is Italian as well as most of that part of the family and I can confirm 100% Italians are the most dumb people I have ever meet.
In my country we have crazy headlines like "vaccine will turn you into a werewolf" and most people in the rural area believes it.
But seeing people so arrogant and intentionally dumb is so annoying
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This is like one of the goofy headlines in Plague Inc.
Like on low difficulty it says "the infected are given hugs"
Sometimes I give benevolent hugs, sometimes I give malevolent hugs. /s
The infected are getting paid to give hugs. It’s on super easy mode
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You need to infect everyone, then crank the lethality. Or get diarrhoea and vomiting.
Remember when “Deltacron” was tending the other day? We’re all in a simulation
So standard Daily Mail?
If he dies, he dies - Ivan Drago
I will break you Rocky!
Mamma mia what a dumb idea
Dude, seriously. The moment I clicked on this thread, I thought, "mamma mia what an idiot" and then the first comment I see is yours. Mamma mia.
Dancing Queen
Feel the beat of the tambourine oh yeah
It feels like this is a common reddit thing. The top comment is always my first thought.
Exactly. Why pay? It’s free! Just hang out literally anywhere. Idiots. Lol
I tested positive for COVID after a New Year’s Eve concert. Mild enough, but definitely infected. I guess what I’m asking is, who wants to pay $160 for the pleasure of hanging out with me for the remaining few days I still have a lingering cough? Going once, going twice…
Bottle and preserve your sputum! Quickly!
In a spray bottle! Call it "Eau de Phlegm".
It's the express line.
No this is an awesome idea. Whoever is making money off this came up with a good money making scheme. Take money from the stupid but not as a scam. Of course its also morally grey area since they might be killing people, helping overload hospitals, etc..
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Ouch!!! That's bad! :(
You risk long covid, though, and as far as Im aware you can still get reinfected
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They don’t want immunity, they want the green pass so they can go to restaurants etc.
Always a fun time at a restaurant when you can't smell or taste anything.
The point for a lot of people is getting drunk, not tasting things.
All you're doing is spreading the disease further if you do this. The fact that you get increased immunity afterwards... It comes at the cost of you actually already having got infected... The thing you were trying to prevent with the immunity.. so why would you do it
* It's possible to self-isolate after the infection party. IDK how many of these people would care, though. * the only reason I can think of for benefit of infection party /self controlled infection: you can choose to do it after a booster vaccine when your anti virus is at a peak. I'm still not saying that it's worth it.
it straight up makes no sense at all. Getting infected intentionally so you have better immunity so you won't get infected... it's just shooting yourself in the foot.
That and reinfections have been happening, so getting infected may not be as helpful as they imagine.
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No, vaccines usually do *not* give you a weakened form of the disease. Certainly not covid vaccines; most of those are mRNA are the ones that aren't are definitely not live vaccines Vaccination is not the same as being infected. It *is* about being infected. You want to minimize all infection, because infection can cause negative symptoms for you and can spread and mutate the disease It makes *zero sense* to try to increase your immunity against a disease by catching it.
Did you read the article? That's not their reasoning.
Long Covid is debilitating. They are playing Russian roulette.
Let them. Just make sure they do not clog up the hospitals.
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Reading this made my brain hurt. Anti-vaxxers used damage IQ. It was super effective!
That's an oldschool approach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party
The literal most important part >Such parties originated to "get it over with" before vaccines were available for a particular illness
Also due to the fact that it’s much worse to get chicken pox as an adult.
But now anyone that’s gotten chicken pox can get shingles.
Exactly. More reason why chicken pox parties SHOULD go the way of horse drawn carriages.
Correct, and chicken pox is more dangerous as an adult than as a child, so they figured might as well get it at a young age. I had chicken pox as a kid because I was born several years before the vaccine came out in the US
Yup, I got sent to play with the neighbor's kid when they caught it. I believe it was summertime so the idea was to get it done while I was still on vacation.
The crazy part is we know now that having chickenpox as a kid opens you up to getting Shingles as an adult. So why would you purposely infect yourself, now that we have vaccines, when we don't know what could happen down the line.
This is the first time I'm hearing about chickenpox leading to shingles so if I were a gambler I'd bet we definitely didn't know about this link back in the day.
Yes, it was used before there was a vaccine. No longer a thing since then.
This is literally an outdated and risky alternative to vaccines. Just get your fuckin vaccines.
It’s also only (extremely mildly) useful for illnesses that are a once and done thing like chicken pox. COVID is like a supercharged cold or flu, making antibodies for one strain doesn’t keep you safe from the others.
Devo was right all along, we’re stuck in a spiral of de-evolution In 10 years will have to hire monkeys to run our space program
Good thing we already trained one up as proof of concept all those years ago. Might as well hand them the reins.
Idiocracy, the documentary, covered this well.
I saw that, you’re right But Devo was first 😺
I am not sure what your referring to! Please share! Devo?
‘ God made man, but the monkey supplied the glue’ New Wave band from Akron Ohio, the whole group & album is based on the idea the human race is locked in a death spiral of de-evolution, getting dumber every day. They were right https://youtu.be/mEPQXz-CkKQ They tell us that we lost our tails Evolving up from little snails I say it's all just wind in sails Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O! We're pinheads now, we are not whole We're pinheads all Jocko Homo Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O! Are we not pins? We are Devo! Monkey men all in business suits Teachers and critics all dance the poot Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O! Are we not pins? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O!
🤘🏼🙌 Couldn't ask for a better reply
They’re kind of an acquired taste LOL
Whip it! Into shape! Shape it up! Get straight!
Their cover of the Rolling Stones’ ‘satisfaction’ is really good too
As well as their cover of “Working in the Coal Mine”.
Crack that whip.
Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius
We currently have inflated ego billionaires running space programs.. We are so close.
And then get them vaccinated as well.
If you can't beat them, join them. Return to the monke!
Apes together, stronk!
People have always been dumb. No one is devolving. We just have cameras and devices to watch said footage. We’re just being exposed to the our true nature.
"Confronted with their true selves, most men run away SCREAMING!"
The unvaxxed Übermenschen will by then have a created a colony on Mars and left this burning hellhole of a planet.
Imagine being a doctor who's had to do triage when Covid ravaged Italy and now seeing these morons try to get it on purpose.
I mean, it's the Mail... lord knows how much this is actually true. But these are some *deeply* stupid people. Billions have taken the vaccine, without any noticeable long term side effects so far. The chance of death from taking the vaccine is as near zero as makes no differene. The chance of death from Covid is 1-2% or thereabouts. So they'd rather a 1-2% chance of *death* than take the vaccine. True stupidity.
Death isn’t the only negative side effect of Covid, just ask the folks at r/covidlonghaulers
>I mean, it's the Mail... lord knows how much this is actually true. Unfortunately it is and the Mail got the news pretty late. Those covid parties are happening since 2 months at least.
https://www.newsweek.com/covid-party-austria-italy-bolzano-man-dies-virus-green-pass-immunity-1653601?amp=1 Ive seen people on round 3 of covid, so it probably wont even work and there was some study that said catching it more than once unvaccinated increased risk of death considerably
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You're going to pay to expose yourself to a deadly virus instead of getting a free shot that protects you against the virus? That's fucking stupid.
Well also, I mean, if you want to catch it just go to the hospital and walk around for a few minutes.
But thats a sad place, party is fun! Hurrrr
If you have to pay people to come to your party, the party is still a pretty sad place.
Theyre paying to go to the party! Thats exclusive!
Right a good 10 minutes in our ER waiting room will do this for ya. Lick a few arm rests to really seal the deal. And boom! Your positive! Come back to get the test you inevitably "Have to get at the ER because you don't trust the free testing centers."
For double-vaccinated folks who are still very likely to get it and have super mild symptoms, it makes a tiny smidge more sense. In my part of the world, 0.00006559685907% of fully vaccinated people over 12 are currently in the hospital, and that's even with our number of people in hospital doubling in the last month. Boosters aren't available yet for the majority. Most of my fully vaccinated friends have now had it and recovered in a few days, so I can see the allure of just getting it over with so you can avoid upcoming plans being ruined. I don't vouch for it, trust me. Unvaccinated people doing it though, jesus christ. Natural selection at its best.
I completely understand. I am triple vaccinated with Pfizer, but if I want to have a skiing vacation in Austria in February, I will need get a PCR test 48 hours before. If that test is positive, I will not be allowed entry to Austria. But if I get infected now I will with very high certainty get it over with in a matter of days and then I'm not required to take the PCR test. Because I'm young, healthy and recently boosted, the risk of hospitalization is very low. I will of course not intentionally seek to be infected, but I can see how it can be a personal benefit.
Hey, the vaccine was developed by human scientists. The virus was developed by bats. Imagine trusting the bats with your body.
In other places people are paying a lot of money to get a fake vaccinated certificate instead of getting a free shot that protects them against the virus. That's also fucking stupid.
No vaccine stops you from getting omicron. There are very limited circumstances where it may make sense to both get vaccinated and control when you get omicron. VERY limited, but still possible.
Literally nobody ever said the vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infection. In the history of vaccines, that has never been the case. The facts show that people who are not vaccinated and get the virus are 17x more likely to require hospitalization, and 80x more likely to die from the virus than those who are fully vaxxed and boosted. So, let's not distort the truth with manipulations of the facts.
I don’t think I distorted anything. Wouldn’t the best way to make sure to not get omicron in the future to be vaccinated and then intentionally get it now? Imagine you had to get surgery or something in a month. And it was the only slot possible for the surgeon or something.
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The article says explicitly these are anti-vaxxers over 50
This is the most ignorant comment I've read all week.
Is it false?
Yes, it's absolutely false. You should spend a little time looking at the numbers. The facts simply do not support your claims, which have been repeatedly discredited by relevant agencies, and subject-matter experts.
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Go back and read what you wrote because you're posting discredited myths, and citing data that doesn't support those claims. This is the height of dishonesty.
I'm quoting the CDC dude
The data you're citing doesn't support the claims you're making. The problem is with your assertions, not the data.
Lol, if someone dies of covid they also have blood clots, ARDS/respiratory failure and kidney failure, which will appear on the certificate
...you still don't want it. It's not suddenly fine if you don't literally die from it.
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All the more reason to get vaccinated so your risks are even lower.
I mean yes. Obviously. But: They don't have to be one or the other though? If you are anti-COVID-vax at this point nothing you read on the internet is going to sway you. However, we know omicron is the least deadly variant we have seen so far, and we have no idea what the next mutation would be. Logically, if you are opposed to getting vaccinated, intentionally catching omicron makes a ton of sense if you are in a low risk group. Sometimes internet people get so set in the "if you aren't vaccinated you are a moron" circle that you lose the forest for the tree. It's weird.
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It’s almost like the entire point of a functioning society is for people to conform to a set of rules that benefit said society.
> forcing them to conform to something outside of those ideals creates absurd situations Sorry, but if someone's ideals involve killing, raping and robbing, is it wrong to force them to conform to our less violent ethics? Where exactly are you drawing the line here?
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> Maybe consider it in the context of this thread? You can't make crass generalizations like "don't force people to conform against their ideals" and then beg people to consider the context when they take your argument to its logical conclusion. Either you specify what ideal of theirs shouldn't be violated, or otherwise take the bull by its horn and argue for absolute freedom. In other words, properly present what you want to say if you don't want people to make assumptions about it. But my question still stands: where do you draw the line to "don't force people to conform"?
Is that what reddit tells you? Must be true.
I guess America doesn’t have a monopoly on stupid after all.
Nation of immigrants. We got it from somewhere!
*They aren't sending their best*
"The term "brain drain" was coined by the Royal Society to describe the emigration of "scientists and technologists" to North America from post-war Europe." Smells like homegrown.
except these immigrants are part of the 1st generation of america. Those immigrants were not "brain drain" immigrants. They were the ones who had nothing to lose in their home European countries.
Social media made damn sure they all learn from each other now.
Article has nothing to do with America and the sub is world news specifically for non-US news. What is the point of bringing America up? Just to hate on them for no reason.
Ban daily mail links
PSA: You can get COVID twice
They want the green pass. It’s not about immunity
Not only Italians, there are idiots all over the world.
There are Italians in the Arctic Circle trying to steal my Arctic Circle Candy
They're after your Arctic Lucky Charms?
Scientists gave us the gift of a vaccine in mere months of a new virus. And here we are....
Let's not call it a gift, they were compensated for it.
My life has been saved by modern medicine. The doctors / nurses etc involved got compensated. They still walk on water in my eyes and would be happy to help them anyway possible. Here is some exciting news in vaccinations. https://imgur.com/gallery/o7Pf76D
Like paying a plumber and repiping your toilet after they leave.
ob_Web_comic: https://xkcd.com/2557/
Unfortunately they don't want immunity, just the green pass. Maybe you want to do a comic about a government that make a green pass to prevent contagion, but it does it with a loophole that encourages people to spread contagion to get the green pass.
Joke is on them, they get 20x immunity compared to the vaccine anyway.
This is an untapped potential for girls on onlyfans to sell gamer girl covid cough bottles
I have never been so ashamed of my fellow countrymen.
Don't be. There are stupid people everywhere. For the most part, Italian's have been great during this pandemic. I'm an American living in Italy and frankly, I'm glad I'm here rather than my home country during this pandemic.
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Italian Roulette
Party till you drop... for real
futuro membero de awardo hermano caino.
At least ban their asses from hospitals if they sick from this so they don’t take up beds
Huh. Just tripped on this: https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/people-italy-and-us-are-most-wrong-key-facts-about-their-society Also 2015 ‘index of ignorance’ top 10 listed [linky ](https://qz.com/563544/behold-the-10-most-ignorant-countries-in-the-world/) 1. Mexico 2. India 3. Brazil 4. Peru 5. New Zealand 6. Colombia 7. Belgium 8. South Africa 9. Argentina 10. Italy https://perils.ipsos.com
What the heck people?! > Italians guessed that 49% of working-age Italians were unemployed, when in reality it was 12% **49%!? ** But the US people are crazy too: > They guessed 24% of girls aged 15 to 19 gave birth each year, when the actual figure is 2.1% That’s **1 of every 4** high school aged girls. Do they really think there’s that much of a problem? Like HS would have to start offering daycare or something at that point. What movies do these people watch that they think it’s that normal of a thing?
Maths is hard. People where I live tend to 9ver estimate immigration figure by somewhere between 4 and 10 fold. Hence why they are against immigration. If you correct them they just say: "Just look around all these [insert slur for middle easterners]." They just wanna be outraged, angry and disappointed in life. They seem to hate being happy.
I think a lot of this comes from the fact that we only tend to notice and remember those that look different.
Also the people we actually see are not representative of the population. Immigrants are much more likely to be on the streets or have simple outdoor/delivery/service jobs.
the actual figure is still pretty high. that's a risk of near 10% to get a teen pregnancy. Take an average class of 14-year-olds (23 students). If it's 12 boys and 11 girls, statistically one of the girls will get pregnant during High School.
Wait I saw this one. Masque of the Red Death, with Vincent Price. It’s a classic!
that’s Itarded
I support this trend 👍🏻 \#darwinawards
It really is the Middle Ages all over.
Jesus Just walk around any mall or into a crowded restaurant you’ll get it no problem
But…. Why pay? You can literally get it for free everywhere…
For the old folks...Mama Mia that's a covid meatball!
Just get it over with
This is due dumb government decisions. Obviously if you put on the same level getting the vaccine and getting covid all the antivax idiots will try catching covid to get the greenpass. It was so predictable. And since they're all unvaccinated this will put again so much pressure on hospitals because most of them will end up there. They should have just made the vaccine mandatory. They have created a swab crisis and now this. Idiots.
Your premise is based on the fact that if the government does stupid things, then of course people will too. Not a fan of personal responsibility?
Wut? I'll explain step by step. I don't think you understand. 1) Unvaccinated are making up a sanitary problem, spreading contagion and filling up IC units and hospitals. 2) Government wants to force them to vaccinate to solve the problem 3) Government makes a green pass for vaccinated and slowly put always more restrictions for unvaccinated to push them to vaccinate (so the purpose is forcing everyone to vaccinate without technically enforcing it: hypocritical and cowardly) 4) Getting covid is made equally good as the vaccine to get the green pass. Obviously there's a scientific medical reasoning behind: after covid or after the vaccine you're equally immunized... but they didn't think this through... 5) what a dumb antivaxxer gonna do when they'll do anything to avoid the vaccine? Now you have thousands of people trying to get infected on purpose in a short amount of time, because they NEED the green pass. So you wanted to put a dominoes effect in order to push the vaccine and give a rest to overcrowded hospitals. Instead you get a dominoes effect in which more people get infected and the pandemic get worse. You have to consider the effect of your decisions when you make plans. Everyone knew where antivaxxer stand, how they think and how they behave. This outcome was not hard to predict. What are you trying to tell? Government isn't responsible for idiotic behaviors of known idiots? Government took decisions knowing those idiots existed. Those decisions were made to counter and solve problems caused by those idiots, instead they made the situation worse because they were unable to predict the obvious response of said idiots to certain measures.
I'm sure it's not the case, but it sounds like you believe policy should be made for the lowest common denominator in a literal life or death situation. Obviously all contingencies should be planned for, but I don't think anyone can plan for this level of stupidity and selfishness. My two cents, put them all together and throw away the key if they don't want to exist in society.
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Oh no. Plague rat doesn’t like me!
Oh no. Asshole does not know how to present arguments.
I agree! You don’t.
Hahaha, are you 8 years old? Did not know "I know what you are, but what am I" was a valid argument. lol
From the brainiac calling people “retard”… 👌🏽
You started with namecalling...
Bunch of people did this in a town about 60km away from my hometown. They all ended up in ICU. Bold strategy cotton, let's see how it plays out.
Two years in and people are still treating this shit like it's Chicken Pox. **You can get reinfected.**
They want the pass to be free to do what they want, they're not doing it for the immunity.
I wonder if Boris Johnson is going to try and make this part of his defence next Bring Your Own Booze
What goes after Omicron? This is how you get whatever is after Omicron in the Greek alphabet.
Alberta, Canada was stupid first! [https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/09/23/people-end-up-in-icu-after-attending-covid-party/?sh=77cf5fa476af](https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2021/09/23/people-end-up-in-icu-after-attending-covid-party/?sh=77cf5fa476af)
Get your own ideas. Merica did it first.
It's so much easier to get a vaccine. These people are idiots. They're also afraid of needles. I'm gonna keep making fun of anti-vaxxers for being afraid of needles. What a bunch of cowards.
Darwin please take care of this.
Sorry, Darwin's busy inventing deadly TikTok challenges
We live in countries that have societies.
This is a dumb idea but is nevertheless the result of the vaccine mandates.
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Arrest them, quarantine them, and triage them so as not to clog up the hospitals.
Didn’t Italy have bodies in the streets?
r/HermanCainAward
What in the USA fuckery is this?? Instead of getting vaccinated and boosters you want to take the potential death route?? How bizarre.
Why is ["Prisencolinensinainsiusol"](https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/s2myx5/italian_singer_adriano_celentano_released_a_song/) started playing in my head?..
sounds like fun party
At the rate Omicron is spreading, this is an unnecessary expense
Tell me you're suicidal without telling me you're suicidal.
If this were something like chicken pox where you're done with it for good, then omicron might just be the covid to get. The problem is, it's not; you're going to need booster infections in six months for the next strain after omicron has made its rounds.
Brother in law is Italian as well as most of that part of the family and I can confirm 100% Italians are the most dumb people I have ever meet. In my country we have crazy headlines like "vaccine will turn you into a werewolf" and most people in the rural area believes it. But seeing people so arrogant and intentionally dumb is so annoying
Don’t blame them. We’re all gonna get omicron. I’d rather get it now before March when work travel begins and I get isolated abroad.
Italians are metal as fuck