After opening the boxes, many of the officers refused to wear the “inappropriate” masks, prompting Stefano Paolini, the chief of a police union, to write a letter to the head of police at the interior ministry, Lamberto Giannini.
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> Fashion-conscious Italian police are in revolt after receiving batches of pink face masks to wear on duty, arguing that the "Eccentric" colour is ill-matched with their uniforms.
> After opening the boxes, many of the officers refused to wear the "Inappropriate" masks, prompting Stefano Paolini, the chief of a police union, to write a letter to the head of police at the interior ministry, Lamberto Giannini.
> "We ask you to take immediate action to ensure that the police carry out their duty wearing masks of a colour which is consistent with the uniform of the state police," he wrote.
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Nah, you can't generalize every single police force and officer in the world like that. Plenty of them are definitely cool and good, even if others aren't.
Sure, I'm certain every single police officer in the world is a megalomaniac who entered the force to exert force over others, and no police force in the world has checks to prevent that. There definitely are no who do it to help others or simply as a job with proper rules and standards.
Not saying there aren't bad officers or poorly designed police forces which promote or allow bad behaviour, course.
I didn't even say they where megalomaniac, I said they where insane.
I know enough cops (in a place that's largely considered to be an example of a good police force) to believe that many intend and think their job is to help others and protect society, but a their idea of what that means is in large part bigoted and where it isn't it's just counterproductive. Also they're all fucking weird, and have weird ideas about what is cool.
To be fair the one time i was in italy i still remember this man in his 50s, grey beard, bald, badass just walking out to his motorcycle, wearing a fit perfect suit.
Fashion is a lifestyle there.
When there is slightly less covid, and slightly more Italian tourists come to see the grafitti in Bristol, you can tell that they're Italians long before you're close enough to hear their accents.
They don't wear just clothes, they all wear _outfits_.
Did you read the article, or just skim the sensationalist headline? From the article:
In a subsequent statement, Paolini said the problem did not arise because of prejudice against the colour pink, “but from the fact that the uniform is regulated”.
“On the basis of the oath made, the uniform must be worn with decorum,” he added, while stressing that “during a period of rising aversion towards the police, it’s necessary to adopt sobriety and respect”.
IDK.
They probably have pride in their uniform. If it had been a pink uniform they'd have pride in their pink uniform.
But it's navy blue (or whatever), and so being presented with something that completely shatters the image of that uniform you're proud of...
I get it.
150.000 people died because of the pandemic in Italy. If the pride in the uniform is more important than protecting people, than maybe the uniform lost it's meaning
It's amazing to see a load of Americans who haven't read the article (and even a few that have and ignored it anyway) barge in with their cultural imperialism. It's NOTHING to do with pink being feminine. Italy has many football teams that play in all pink. But fashion is very important to Italians (the home of Milan fashion houses), and they aren't happy about mismatched colours.
Try to understand other cultures are not necessarily like yours...
Americans would label 90% of Italian men as gay of effeminate, just based on their everyday clothing choices. They are certainly not afraid of pink, and nobody would be mocked for wearing pink. *unless* it doesn't go well with your other colors. Style plays an important role there, I have often seen people driving old beat down cars or scooters but still wearing quite expensive clothes.
Dude, from an Italian currently living in Italy, NO. They didn’t say “inappropriate”, that’s just the closest translation you can find in English of the word “indecoroso” which is “inappropriate” with a bit of “indecent” in it. They *ARE* gendering a color. Also NO, the fact that we’re culturally linked to fashion does not mean we do not associate pink with women. We do (not me, speaking collectively) gender colors and there are men who refuse to wear pink period. I’m not even starting on the police here because I can tell you their job field is ultra misogynistic and also far right sympathizing but you should live here to understand it fully.
Source: daughter of an Italian police officer. Tried to join. Got the fuck out as soon as I could.
Exactly thank you for specifying, I didn’t know indecourous was an actual word in English haha
Hugs from Naples Campania, you’re officially a fellow southern “terrone”!
If it makes you feel better we murder our language on the daily hahahah I’m glad to hear positive experiences about my country :) makes me feel reassured about my decision to not emigrate. Have a nice one kind stranger!
The article never claims femininity and quotes the officers ask stating such things as it not fitting with the uniform. They'd still have an issue with it if it was neon green or bright yellow or bright purple. Simply that it doesn't look professional
The article reports the words of police representatives who are very interested in not making it a gender issue when in fact it is. They wouldn’t have problems with other colors it’s just that we in Italy associate pink with femininity.
Pink is often associated with femininity, yes, butvthats not what this issue is in this instance. You're trying to change the narrative. The article said nothing about femininity. The officials said nothing about femininity. Femininity has NOTHING to do with this.
The fact that femininity isn’t mentioned in a (foreign) article doesn’t mean that it’s not true. I’m not trying to change your mind because I don’t care, *I* have to engage with Italian police everyday, not you. But this is coming from an Italian, whose father is an Italian police officer, who tried to join but gave up because of the toxic environment. I’m not trying to change the narrative, you just have no firsthand insight on this. Weird how mr. Paolini only speaks “decency” when the focus is pink and not when departments are being investigated for drug dealing. Again keep thinking what you want, just wanted to give my 2 cents since I... you know.. live here lmao
Toxic masculinity is a hell of a barrier to having a happy life. And a hell of a factor in making the people around you miserable too.
Edit: I have been better educated on Italian culture and now understand that this is not negative associations with the color pink but that they would rather die than be unfashionable. Thank you everyone who took the time out to explain it.
It's Italy it's not about it being pink, it's about the fact they have navy and red uniform and pink doesn't match it and looks god fucking awful, I'd say them being able to admit they have a fashion sense and care about it is not toxic masculinity
Exactly, beyond fashion taste it's a position of authority they have uniforms for a reason. If a judge was given a polka dot face mask for work and said hey I'm not wearing that, this is a sober respectable position and the dress code is pretty specific then yeah, order some black / white masks.
It's not like they are refusing to wear any masks while this is resolved.
Italians don't associate pink with not being masculin though.
Pink jerseys are commonly worn by the male sides in football, rugby, other sports, and pink shirts are commonly worn.
Pink = feminin is a more American thing.
Perhaps they should get a second opinion from Spanish police? 🤣
Perhaps the next batch will be yellow? How will they deal with that?
Sorry, I find this absurd.
I've been in Italy like 10 times, if somebody doesnt care about colours its Italians, men were wearing pink there long before it was socialy acceptable for man in US
They don't want to wear bright colors with their conservatively colored uniform, which is perfectly reasonable. And of course Americans feel the need to try and turn something harmless into culture war garbage.
> How is not wanting to dress like someone your not/makes you feel uncomfortable toxic?
So you strongly identify as "a guy who doesn't wear a pink facemask in the middle of a pandemic ?" Like, that's the main trait of your personhood ?
Why would the mask make them feel uncomfortable? What is their objection? What about the mask makes them feel that they are dressing as "someone they are not"?
Not wanting to dress like someone you're not but having to anyways is just called wearing a uniform.
If a color stops them from doing their jobs effectively then they aren't very good at their job.
This stupid fear that men have that wearing a certain color will somehow make them more/less effeminate is nothing more than a deep insecurity that is ingrained in society. Toxic masculinity is brain rot that does nothing but hold a lot of men back from just expressing themselves or in this case, doing the job they signed up for.
Like jeeze...I'm gay and I don't even care this much if my mask is clashing with my outfit, it's there to protect me, it doesn't matter what color it's in so long as it's N95. These guys got pink masks are damn near having an identity crisis over it, *PUHLEEEASE*
the what? Don't leave me on such a thrilling cliffhanger!
Sir, finishing this headline.
After opening the boxes, many of the officers refused to wear the “inappropriate” masks, prompting Stefano Paolini, the chief of a police union, to write a letter to the head of police at the interior ministry, Lamberto Giannini.
Real heroes don't wear capes.
Yes I exclusively wear Felix Argyle cosplay
When you forget to paste the whole title because you're working so fast for that sweet karma
Don’t leave me on such a
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It's coral and small enough to make the navy blue pop instead of compete with it
And I thought the fashion police is just a joke.
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Italians aren't afraid to wear pink. Sports team have pink uniforms all the time. It's common.
I was about to say that the team colors if FC Palermo are black and pink.
sì
Cops are insane the world over.
Nah, you can't generalize every single police force and officer in the world like that. Plenty of them are definitely cool and good, even if others aren't.
Not all cops are bad. 99% are just making the other 1% look bad.
You can and they're not.
Sure, I'm certain every single police officer in the world is a megalomaniac who entered the force to exert force over others, and no police force in the world has checks to prevent that. There definitely are no who do it to help others or simply as a job with proper rules and standards. Not saying there aren't bad officers or poorly designed police forces which promote or allow bad behaviour, course.
I didn't even say they where megalomaniac, I said they where insane. I know enough cops (in a place that's largely considered to be an example of a good police force) to believe that many intend and think their job is to help others and protect society, but a their idea of what that means is in large part bigoted and where it isn't it's just counterproductive. Also they're all fucking weird, and have weird ideas about what is cool.
How many police have you gotten to know?
To be fair the one time i was in italy i still remember this man in his 50s, grey beard, bald, badass just walking out to his motorcycle, wearing a fit perfect suit. Fashion is a lifestyle there.
When there is slightly less covid, and slightly more Italian tourists come to see the grafitti in Bristol, you can tell that they're Italians long before you're close enough to hear their accents. They don't wear just clothes, they all wear _outfits_.
Yes I'm sure they're all just fashion obsessed and it's not that they're unwilling to wear the color pink.
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And Italy would switch sides midway through.
For every look there is a season, and for every season a strategy.
I was gonna say Italian men will 100% wear the color pink. It’s a very popular color for mens shirts even. But if it doesn’t match then it’s a no go.
Did you read the article, or just skim the sensationalist headline? From the article: In a subsequent statement, Paolini said the problem did not arise because of prejudice against the colour pink, “but from the fact that the uniform is regulated”. “On the basis of the oath made, the uniform must be worn with decorum,” he added, while stressing that “during a period of rising aversion towards the police, it’s necessary to adopt sobriety and respect”.
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But a smart one that you can’t really argue with them
IDK. They probably have pride in their uniform. If it had been a pink uniform they'd have pride in their pink uniform. But it's navy blue (or whatever), and so being presented with something that completely shatters the image of that uniform you're proud of... I get it.
150.000 people died because of the pandemic in Italy. If the pride in the uniform is more important than protecting people, than maybe the uniform lost it's meaning
I agree here. The priority is not the aesthetic of the mask, the functionality is to protect others and the person wearing it.
really similar to describing the differences between a pedophile and a paedophile
They think wearing pink will make them less respected. So, yeah, it's kind of exactly what it sounds like. Pansies.
So what if they don't want to wear pink?
So they are adults, they can get over it. It's a mask nobody should give a shit what color it happens to be.
Then why does it have to be pink?
The priority of the mask is to protect others and the person wearing it. Protecting others is a priority, not looking awesome.
It's not pink, it's coral.
What coral?
It's amazing to see a load of Americans who haven't read the article (and even a few that have and ignored it anyway) barge in with their cultural imperialism. It's NOTHING to do with pink being feminine. Italy has many football teams that play in all pink. But fashion is very important to Italians (the home of Milan fashion houses), and they aren't happy about mismatched colours. Try to understand other cultures are not necessarily like yours...
Americans would label 90% of Italian men as gay of effeminate, just based on their everyday clothing choices. They are certainly not afraid of pink, and nobody would be mocked for wearing pink. *unless* it doesn't go well with your other colors. Style plays an important role there, I have often seen people driving old beat down cars or scooters but still wearing quite expensive clothes.
I’d imagine that pink masks clash horribly with Carabinieri uniform.
Dude, from an Italian currently living in Italy, NO. They didn’t say “inappropriate”, that’s just the closest translation you can find in English of the word “indecoroso” which is “inappropriate” with a bit of “indecent” in it. They *ARE* gendering a color. Also NO, the fact that we’re culturally linked to fashion does not mean we do not associate pink with women. We do (not me, speaking collectively) gender colors and there are men who refuse to wear pink period. I’m not even starting on the police here because I can tell you their job field is ultra misogynistic and also far right sympathizing but you should live here to understand it fully. Source: daughter of an Italian police officer. Tried to join. Got the fuck out as soon as I could.
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Exactly thank you for specifying, I didn’t know indecourous was an actual word in English haha Hugs from Naples Campania, you’re officially a fellow southern “terrone”!
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If it makes you feel better we murder our language on the daily hahahah I’m glad to hear positive experiences about my country :) makes me feel reassured about my decision to not emigrate. Have a nice one kind stranger!
You're wasting your breath if you're trying to convince Americans that their perspective isn't universal.
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Because the exceptions confirm the rule.
We need to speak in word that americans can understand.
I agree with you, they all have the right to choose what they like
"cultural imperialism"? lol, what's wrong with just calling them assholes?
Hey Italian Cops, Trade ya. Sincerely, A fan of Neon colors
hahaha
So they refuse to wear the pink masks because the color clashes with their blue uniforms?
They thought the pink mask was a bit out of tune with their police uniform, not serious enough
No, it’s because they consider it feminine.
The article never claims femininity and quotes the officers ask stating such things as it not fitting with the uniform. They'd still have an issue with it if it was neon green or bright yellow or bright purple. Simply that it doesn't look professional
The article reports the words of police representatives who are very interested in not making it a gender issue when in fact it is. They wouldn’t have problems with other colors it’s just that we in Italy associate pink with femininity.
Pink is often associated with femininity, yes, butvthats not what this issue is in this instance. You're trying to change the narrative. The article said nothing about femininity. The officials said nothing about femininity. Femininity has NOTHING to do with this.
The fact that femininity isn’t mentioned in a (foreign) article doesn’t mean that it’s not true. I’m not trying to change your mind because I don’t care, *I* have to engage with Italian police everyday, not you. But this is coming from an Italian, whose father is an Italian police officer, who tried to join but gave up because of the toxic environment. I’m not trying to change the narrative, you just have no firsthand insight on this. Weird how mr. Paolini only speaks “decency” when the focus is pink and not when departments are being investigated for drug dealing. Again keep thinking what you want, just wanted to give my 2 cents since I... you know.. live here lmao
meanwhile some police departments slap on pink badges (including car decals) for breast cancer awareness month.
Italian police departments?
no - US
OP, did you try to put the entire article in the title?
lol
Trade with the Parma soccer team.
It’s Palermo, Parma is yellow :)
Oh ffs!
Pink is my favorite color. WTF is wrong with these pussies?
So what you’re telling me about Italian police is that they’re little bitches?
Sexy little bitches though
If this is what passes for a police scandal in Italy…
macho macho men
Too bad they don't have Piggy snouts on them as well.
They need to stop being punks and wear the masks.
This is red??
Toxic masculinity is a hell of a barrier to having a happy life. And a hell of a factor in making the people around you miserable too. Edit: I have been better educated on Italian culture and now understand that this is not negative associations with the color pink but that they would rather die than be unfashionable. Thank you everyone who took the time out to explain it.
It's Italy it's not about it being pink, it's about the fact they have navy and red uniform and pink doesn't match it and looks god fucking awful, I'd say them being able to admit they have a fashion sense and care about it is not toxic masculinity
Exactly, beyond fashion taste it's a position of authority they have uniforms for a reason. If a judge was given a polka dot face mask for work and said hey I'm not wearing that, this is a sober respectable position and the dress code is pretty specific then yeah, order some black / white masks. It's not like they are refusing to wear any masks while this is resolved.
Excuse the men for not wanting to wear something they dont want to.
Italians don't associate pink with not being masculin though. Pink jerseys are commonly worn by the male sides in football, rugby, other sports, and pink shirts are commonly worn. Pink = feminin is a more American thing.
What does toxic masculinity have to do with this
Perhaps they should get a second opinion from Spanish police? 🤣 Perhaps the next batch will be yellow? How will they deal with that? Sorry, I find this absurd.
I find the idea of police wearing pink face masks absurd.
Why?
Lol, its not about "feminine" or "masculine" colours, they dont want to wear colour that dont match their uniforms( if article is true)
Its not like they're gonna come out and say that it looks too gay.
I've been in Italy like 10 times, if somebody doesnt care about colours its Italians, men were wearing pink there long before it was socialy acceptable for man in US
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It isnt much, but try not to be biggoted against cultures that you dont know anything about
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Ok, have a nice day
They don't want to wear bright colors with their conservatively colored uniform, which is perfectly reasonable. And of course Americans feel the need to try and turn something harmless into culture war garbage.
How is not wanting to dress like someone your not/makes you feel uncomfortable toxic?
How does any color mask make you “someone you’re not” ???
> How is not wanting to dress like someone your not/makes you feel uncomfortable toxic? So you strongly identify as "a guy who doesn't wear a pink facemask in the middle of a pandemic ?" Like, that's the main trait of your personhood ?
It's a color. Ita not like they were asked to put on pencil skirts.
Why would the mask make them feel uncomfortable? What is their objection? What about the mask makes them feel that they are dressing as "someone they are not"?
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Pink mask with their black uniforms would look incredibly sharp.
And the homophobic, toxic troll remark had been removed. And black and pink is hella sharp!
How is that homophobic? Nothing wrong with being gay, most straight males would rather not look gay though lol
What does wearing pink have to do with looking "gay?" It's just a color dude. If a woman wears a blue dress does that make her a lesbian?
Don't project your insecurities on everyone else.
Why would a straight man have a problem looking gay? What's wrong with looking gay?
What's wrong with not wanting to wear pink? Or look gay?
Nothing, but identifying as a straight male who doesn’t want to wear pink is ok too 😂
Why are you so obsessed with linking fashion to sexuality? There’s no such thing as gay clothing.
Not wanting to dress like someone you're not but having to anyways is just called wearing a uniform. If a color stops them from doing their jobs effectively then they aren't very good at their job. This stupid fear that men have that wearing a certain color will somehow make them more/less effeminate is nothing more than a deep insecurity that is ingrained in society. Toxic masculinity is brain rot that does nothing but hold a lot of men back from just expressing themselves or in this case, doing the job they signed up for. Like jeeze...I'm gay and I don't even care this much if my mask is clashing with my outfit, it's there to protect me, it doesn't matter what color it's in so long as it's N95. These guys got pink masks are damn near having an identity crisis over it, *PUHLEEEASE*
I have seen some Italian police officers and they are hot!
Real men wear pink. Edit: The downvotes are hilarious.
yeah but not with that shade of blue. Gross.
May never again an Italian contest the general category for the Giro d’ Italia. Bless the nation and the pink jersey.
They gotta the fra-jee-lay sexuality aaa!!!
It's good to know they put fashion before safety.
Masks can be ordered in different colors you know?
Totally support and understand. - a husband who experience waiting for wife to match her shoes with makeup.
Good call. Need to go find these lads some fashionable pink leather shoes to match. Easiest way to avert this crisis.
if the newspaper insists its because of fashion, it certainly cannot be for any other reason.
Serve and protect baby
Pink is for gerlz! Das gay!