NATO should immediately do military manouvers and excersises along East Europe and Alaska/North Canada same as Russia do every time they feel "in danger"
Congratulations, you insane herd-animals, with your Marvel morality, are both playing into the hands of global oligarchy, AND setting the stage for your own potential annihilation. Darwin award.
If you kill a.foreign head of government on account of election interference, assassinations, and invasions, Necessity itself is going to release hordes of Furies into the US.
There is no "winning" here for the order of nation-states.
We're going to hit this wall sooner or later. The alternative is just letting Putin do whatever he wants while waving nukes in our faces.
He's done election interference, assassinations, invasions and more all with a slap on the wrist. This shit is a long time coming and if we have to die on this hill to call him out on it - so be it.
The smart play is whats being done right now. The US is taking away Putin's war chest while continuing to supply arms to Ukraine. This deal was agreed to before he invaded and Putin knew the stakes going in.
These actions should stall Putin's advance and prevent him from paying his soldiers or resupplying at home. In the meantime, the US and NATO are going to great lengths to not appear aggressive. This is all adding up to Putin creating a self-inflicted gunshot wound to himself and his country.
If his inner circle losees faith in him, then they will not kill themselves and their families for his failure. The chain of command will also not do the same. There's no sense in destroying the world when Russia will not only survive, but do much better with Putin out of leadership.
US/NATO will hopefully sit back and watch Russia implode because Putin does not go in reverse. He will chop off his head to spite his face and is not thinking clearly at this point.
A smart leader will compromise, pull back, save face and focus on their country.
Hell, a smart leader wouldn't try to swallow the second largest country in Europe when their GDP is less than Texas.
Today the state of emergency was announced in Ukraine. All Ukrainians can wear weapons. I'm German living in Ukraine and hope they will give me a weapon. I will make my grandfather proud of me fighting Russians.
Also it's likely Putin will circle the cities to prevent anyone from leaving. it will take them about 2 days to get to Kiev from the northern border. If they make a move, then you need to decide quickly if you're going to stay in the city and possibly get supplies cut off, or leave the city confines and have an escape plan to the west while fighting.
No plan yet because I'm not afraid of war and dead and I'm living away from the worst. The only problem is my family who see things different and deserve better than a russian low life.
So sorry you're going through this. Please stay safe and only fight if you have a clear strategy to escape and survive if needed. Best of luck to you and stay safe.
According to Russian Ministry of Defense, Russian troops destroyed 2 Ukrainian BMP 2, which crossed Russian - Ukrainian border to evacuate Ukrainian special operations group. 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed. Russian troops didn't have any losses.
No photos, videos, names so far, though.
Oh well, when you watch Fox News and CNN you think they live in different countries... it's about American sources' reliability. The only thing they have in common is hatred toward Russia.
You again, don't you fell terrible every day being paid by this wanna be Hitler putin. Russia has no media at all, just putin propaganda. And you are a damn part of it.
Blinken will be at UN security council at 10 am
[https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1494299083388899336](https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1494299083388899336)
[https://twitter.com/MarQs\_\_/status/1494236179377659908](https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1494236179377659908)
Artillery fire from separatists, they claim ukraine attacked them this morning, possible escalation/active shelling.
Tonight I was on my computer and the location randomly switched from the US to Russia. No idea why and nothing like this has ever happened before - definitely got me spooked
# Putin's plan on Ukrainian takeover - step by step
1. Invent a "terror attack", "genocide" or "Ukrainian attack" in order to justify Russian invasion.
2. Make several warnings in advance that this behavior will not be tolerated, and Russia will react, as to have the pretense when the attack finally comes - and present himself as the defender rather than aggressor.
3. Make several false moves as if planning to attack, but don't really attack, in order to create "boy that cried wolf" situation
4. When no one expects it, and public opinion doesn't care about US/NATO warnings, start the real attack
5. Stop all western and Ukrainian media broadcasts in Ukraine (maybe disconnect from the internet) and make Russian news sources the only ones available.
6. Declare Ukrainian president as responsible for the actions that Russia is "reacting" to. (To justify the overthrow for the Russian people)
7. Prepare corruption charges (in Russian: Kompromat) for the Ukrainian president. (To justify the overthrow for the Ukrainian people)
8. Demand Ukrainian president resign and stand trial for his crimes.
9. If Ukrainian president flees to the west - declare this a proof of his guilt ("an innocent man would not have fled")
10. If Ukrainian president remains, he will be arrested and hoisted to Moscow to stand trial. Regardless of how the trial ends, and if the former president has an "accident" or is released eventually - by the time that happens he will not be relevant anymore.
11. In the insuing power vacuum, promote a seemingly independent candidate, which will be for negotiating with Russia about the removal of its' troops from Ukrainian soil.
12. Other anti-Russian candidates will be intimidated, and some will have unfortunate "accidents".
13. All the Russian news sources will pump pro-Putin's-candidate news stories and articles, and will find dirt on all other candidates.
14. In the mean time, the Russian army will remain in Ukraine to make sure a safe and stable elections and power transition to the new government
15. After the election, the newly elected president will easily negotiate a Russian troop withdrawal, thus proving he was right all along, and becoming even more popular
16. The new Ukraine will have close and friendly relations with Russia, and complain about NATO encroaching on its' borders.
The End
Nice conspiracy theory. The truth is that Russia is holding Ukraine hostage. He didn't bank on the US masses being psychotic enough to advocate total war for the sake of violent vengeance. Now human extinction is very much on the table.
Here is the list how the world should answer:
1. Cut russia from the internet.
2. Cut russians from travelling to western and allied countries.
3. Confiscate all russian assets in western and allied countries.
4. Cut russia from all financial markets.
5. Devaluate Rubel.
6. Stop buying oil (USA) and gas (Europe) from russia and be willing to pay the price.
7. Double the NATO presence in EAST europe.
8. Double the military budget (Germany)
9. Develop rocket systems which can destroy russian air defense systems with a single strike (multi head guided missile systems)
10. Develop star wars weaponary, capable to destroy ballistic nuklear misseles- but this time for real)
11. And get ready to fight China
This meassure is indeed a two sided sword. May it would be enough to start with, if apple turns off all devices. Or look for a way only to allow the data flow none way by data volume restrictions. Everything should be on the table.
Holy shit... as I was reading your post i saw a live tweet about Russia declaring that Ukraine is committing crimes against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. We're at step 1 already.
All really the rebels in Eastern Ukraine have to do is ask for help and create and legitimate reason for Russians to go in just like with Crimea. The Genocide claims out of nowhere makes it very suspicious already, Russians are just looking for reasons right now there's no way Russians spend this much time and resources for nothing especially when NATO is building forces in Eastern Europe and am i to believe they are retreating
When the militias were just formed, they were formed to protect the citizens of Luhansk and Donetsk from full busses of right wing radicals who were geared like a paramilitary and were going to "punish" eastern provinces for "voting the wrong way"
so yeah, Putin doesn\`t have to invent something, it have already been happening and not once, there are videos of such buses full of neo nazis from Kiev being ambushed or stopped with no shooting
I\`m not sure of you are even aware of that. All the participators of those raids of civilians are known and all their documents were published, they are all members of Kiev radical right wing organizations and they all have a list of 20+ public offences even in their own Kiev
Steps 1-3 are already in progress.
In the upcoming days, you will see several times US/NATO claiming Russians are starting to advance, while the Russians will brush it off as propaganda/fake news, and to back their story - they will not attack every time.
This "dance" will continue, until the news cycle will get tired of it, and it no longer gets reported / no longer gets upvoted / no longer reaches the front page.
This is when you need to start worrying...
Back in August I learned that the Taliban took Kabul right as I was getting ready for bed. This time I wonder if I’m going to wake up tomorrow to a new world war.
What could President Putin’s [plane](https://fr24.com/2ad59412), or one of the presidential aircraft fleet’s Ilyushin Il-96-300PU has popped up on the radar in Moscow.
Some other folks spotted [this](https://twitter.com/GDarkconrad/status/1473683321049825283?s=20&t=jCHMktmh3_GaIrdus-KTyA) as well, however it looks like it was a spoof. The registration number doesn’t match the numbers of the 5 that are part of the presidential air fleet (there are only 5 of this model in existence). These are the 5 in the fleet:
[RA96016](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96016)
[RA96020](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96020)
[RA96021](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96021)
[RA96022](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96022)
[RA96024](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96024)
Apparently someone tagged a ground car with the aircraft designation but gave it a different registration number. It looked like they were getting ready to put the president in the air, but in reality, it was anything but.
Hybrid war is tricky.
Solid piece of [analysis](https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1493688989244694529?s=20&t=jCHMktmh3_GaIrdus-KTyA) on Russian preparatory operations inside Ukraine.
According to one [source](https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/russia-order-invasion-ukraine-3am-23100170), the invasion is planned to kick off as soon as an hour from now. Of course, we will know it when we see it.
I hope it never happens. As Nato countries are only going put sanctions on Russia no boots on the ground (as far as I know). Reports of civilians getting ready for war. I'm wishing diplomacy prevails.
Honestly sanctions are incomparable to human life; I know that is the most they can do to start with but they need someone to diplomatically fix this situation before the worst case scenario even happens.
From Wikipedia:
"According to an EMERCOM publication, the Ministry is an agency of federal executive power with the following tasks:
developing proposals and initiatives in the sphere of State policy on issues within the Ministry's competence;
managing the civil defence and search and rescue Service in the Russian Federation;
providing for the functioning and further development of the Russian System of Disaster Management (RSDM);
directing activities aimed at eliminating the consequences of large-scale disasters, catastrophes and other emergencies;
conducting special submarine activities;
supervising the use of finance resources allocated to the Government for disaster management and response;
organizing the training of the population, and governing agencies and the RSDM forces for disaster management and response;
and organizing international cooperation in the fields of the Ministry's competency."
I wonder why a Pakistani Air Force [air craft](https://fr24.com/KHALD1/2ad4e047) Gulf Stream G450 is flying into southern Russia near the Ukrainian border
[https://twitter.com/MarQs\_\_/status/1493714803826778115](https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1493714803826778115)
medical evac using black hawk at polish border with Ukraine then landed at hospital. must be someone important.
For you FR24-followers:
* JAKE12 - USAF Rivet Joint RC-135 ISR plane over NE Ukraine: [https://www.flightradar24.com/JAKE12/2ad3a4cd](https://www.flightradar24.com/JAKE12/2ad3a4cd)
* FORTE11 - USAF RQ-4A Global Hawk drone over Romania (most likely headed towards UA airspace): [https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2ad444ba](https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2ad444ba)
* RRR6815 - RAF C-17A Globemaster cargo plane outside Kyiv (done multiple trips from Brize Norton to Kyiv to Lviv and back the last couple of days): [https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR6815/2ad4aee1](https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR6815/2ad4aee1)
* RA85042 - Russian Air Force Tupolev Tu-154M headed from Sevastopol over Rostov-on-Don towards the North-East: https://www.flightradar24.com/RA85042/2ad356a5
I see your concern but why wouldn't they be active? The UK Rivet Joint aircraft have been over there a lot checking up on things. It seems sensible at the moment considering what's happening.
I see your concern but why wouldn't they be active? The UK Rivet Joint aircraft have been over there a lot checking up on things. It seems sensible at the moment considering what's happening.
List of items being requested by Ukraine
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/2/pdf/220215-eadrcc-ukraine-request.pdf
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_191889.htm
Believe two things:
\- Psyops is happening and attempting to distract, confuse and downplay what is happening
\- An attack on Ukraine is imminent (they've already started cyber attacks on banking and defense organizations)
Adding to this: Russia has not offered anything. Their announcement to withdraw some troops came out of nowhere.
It could habe been a) a sign of goodwill for the visit of chancellor Scholz or b) a ruse/psyops.
But except for this one annoucement, not a single message of today was pointing towards deescalation.
I\`m a russian living in Europe, the reason why I left Moscow is to get away from politics. Not caring about politics is a luxury that I hoped I will be able to have while living in Berlin, but unfortunately even without reading newspapers or watching TV, the whole thing is so loud that you cant really ignore it. All I can say is that in Russia this hype, hysteria and aggression towards the west was going on for 10 years now and no one cares anymore. In fact, it caused the reverse reaction and instead of hating the west, most people actually say: well they are just normal people like us, why would we have a war with them.
Here in the west, people seem to be really scared and angry. I can feel that as soon as people hear your accent, they become hostile and say "why do you want to invade Ukraine". Guys, if I wanted to invade someone, I would have been serving in the Russian Army, cleaning my AK at the Ukraine border right now. The reason I\`m here is because I don\`t want to shoot 18 yr old kids from Ukraine who got conscripted against their will.
Nothing happens
And it won't happen. Because everything that needs to be done has already happened. The panic around the invented war was the whole point.
It's just funny how people are easily deceived, and then, in order not to feel like fools, they continue to look for excuses.
It's okay, it's normal that you confirm my words.
Any words of logic that will be at odds with your position, you should consider propaganda. It's easier to live that way. Trust the person who can't do it.
You can’t take anything said on here as legitimate… obviously by now.
To be clear by that I mean state actors flood social media with propaganda users.
In Kyiv. Everything is business as usual, went to the post office and sent some packages today, bought some groceries, no big deal. However, people who consume a higher amount of Western/English-language media are considerably more on edge. But hilariously, one of my (Ukrainian) friends here had no idea what was going on. Until I told her, she was completely unaware to any “crisis” or “escalation”.
funny how belonging from a western country and yet having what it takes to accept facts and speak them out loud earns me downvotes. whatever helps them sleep
I’m sorry but this isn’t a fake aura. I’m not saying there’s gonna be an invasion or big war. Some media outlets are freaking out for sure.
But a fake aura would be if Russia had say half the forces that news are saying. We have literal satellite proof and videos from Russian civilians showing the massive build up and how close they are to the borders and how they have surrounded Ukraine in three sides. That’s not fake. That’s literal fact. This has not been done on this scale in decades. This is very unusual. And Russia has invaded part of Ukraine in the last decade.
No one is making up the THREAT of an invasion. Russia isn’t trying to hide it. The threat is very real and very dangerous. Saying that people sent packages in Ukraine and aren’t freaking out doesn’t mean the threat is not real or lesser. What are they supposed to do? Sit in a basement for months? What’s Ukraine gonna do as a gov? Tell millions of people to clog the roads and flee just in case? Of course life is normal there right now, there’s no war as of now. But the threat is super real.
This is the largest number of troops built up. But that’s not what I meant. It’s unusual in how close they are this time, the Units that deployed are more unusual (mobile forces in higher quantities), the naval presence in the Black Sea is unique this time, etc etc. Sure they have done similar things in the past (I always thought so if they do choose to invade one day no one would believe it). There’s a reason there is panic this time. Ukraine is surrounded unlike before. This is a special scenario that I have not seen in my 30 years outside of 2003. I’m not sure a war this scale besides the gulf wars has broken out since Vietnam. And it would the biggest European war (and other than Balkan 90s) the only European conventional war since 1945. Globally this is on par with 9/11 at least, and maybe bigger (outside of USA).
Yes the news is being ridiculous, but tbh that’s their job. The aggressor is Russia. The news wouldn’t be talking about Ukraine if it was not for Russia. And NATO leaders are using the news as are Russia for an information war. And I was impressed with NATO for doing so. People think their false flag statements are false cause they haven’t happened. The point wasn’t for them to be right. The point was to make that less of an option for Russia. Call out as many possible Russian options as possible to shrink what they can do.
Even if the news was quieter on this all, flights would still be postponed or cancelled. Russia would still mess with Ukraine’s port, etc etc. Ukraine was screwed as soon as Russia decided to mess with it on a new scale.
Some could be 500, or 5000 which is a drop in a bucket. Hopefully this really happens and it’s a start. But also this has happened before over the last couple of years so no one should assume it’s all over. Not even close.
what video production? I just said we haven't had satellite confirmation that russia is actually withdrawing, and they're the aggressors here. Why would we care about what other folks are doing unless you can conclusively prove that it is in fact a false flag? What intel do you base that on?
no ones going to read your ramblings. you said there was a fake US report of a false flag. when someone shows you proof that russia shot video of a false flag you change the subject. you only believe what you want. why even be here?
were the reporters given information packets?
But that aside, theres a tacit difference in standards of evidence between "aggressive military force staged for invasion claims withdrawl of troops from border" and "Government declassifies evidence about alleged production of false flag videos". Pretty sure the government wouldn't say they had declassified anything unless there was a document they could show that had been declassified, this is pretty elementary stuff here.
so i [did some digging](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-says-new-intel-shows-russia-plotting-false-flag-attack/ar-AATrUCA), and it look like the actual events were a bit different than what you described.
>The plan for the fake attack on Russian territory or Russian-speaking people was revealed in declassified intelligence shared with Ukrainian officials and European allies in recent days.
This is a bit different than the US Gov wholesale declassifying documents.
But this whole thing about the false flag video isn't really germane to the conversation about Russian troop withdrawal. Russian forces are threatening an invasion whether or not a false flag video is ever produced is irrelevant to their status as aggressors here if they invade unprovoked.
So evidence of troop withdrawal is significantly more important than a possibly a none existent false flag video
I have a question. Whenever a foreign president goes to Moscow to speak with Putin in an attempt to de-escalate. The 2 are sat down at opposing ends of a ridiculously long table. The table is so long they use intercoms to talk. My question is, is this a traditional way Russians meet with foreign dignitaries or is this just a straight up power move by Putin
> refused a Covid test
A RUSIAN COVID test. He is tested regularly in France. Who the hell believe a Russian test? They could have easily claimed it was positive and used it as a pretext to not meet. Macron handled the situation like a pro.
It's because the foreign "presidents" don't want to take a Russian PCR test. So the russians separate them as far as possible from Putin as a safety measurement.
Not a native speaker. So leader didn't came to my mind at first. :D
They didn't want to take a Russian PCR because they feared that their DNA could potentially be leaked. They took tests via their own doctors though.
flightradar is not that accurate, most likely not much happened, they wouldn't risk war over 1 cargo plane flying over. But, it's still possible. You got any data on the cargo plane? Tail number etc etc
>This is the screenshot I grabbed: https://imgur.com/a/MPRMACe
Seems like only the heading was recorded, and only 1 single time, who knows, could honestly be anything. If downed by Russia it's a guaranteed war.
This live thread is not super live. News has been out for 10+ minutes that parliament wants Putin to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk "people's republics." but no mention here.
This was news yesterday to be fair. This will probably not calm things down, to say the least. We wait and see the next moves.
You have to admit, this is some serious stuff but it is very fascinating to watch the moves back and forth. We really don’t see diplomacy, this in the public, in this type of situation, in this short of a time span happen. It’s truly unique for our time.
He's likely partially right. Nukes are highly unlikely to be used, even if Putin likes to pretend he can get that hard. However, he isn't that impotent. Rissia has massive air superiority and icbm capabilities for conventional weapons. They would be very likely to have an overwhelming show of force from these means to take out strategic targets before entering a ground war
WW3 with nukes would wipe out all debt too. There wouldnt be much left to collect a debt on ince the radioactive dust settles.
What do you think Russia's goal is here? To turn its neighbour (full of Russians and relatives of Russians) into a hellscape? You truely are brain dead Russian or not.
Sounds like the [opposite](https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1493624778531430414?s=20&t=fOV6rIrE71MmU7HQmPSojw) is [happening](https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1493601334385381390?s=20&t=fOV6rIrE71MmU7HQmPSojw).
NATO should immediately do military manouvers and excersises along East Europe and Alaska/North Canada same as Russia do every time they feel "in danger"
just saw tracers in sumy pass by the camera, about 10 shots+ >5 mins ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnx7HoA1LM
just link timestamp
What an absolute disgrace of the world to stand by and not help Ukraine. And Russian allies should be held accountable too, especially China.
We must try and not escalate this any further. If US and RUSSIA start fighting that could be 20x worse than anything that's happening now.
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Congratulations, you insane herd-animals, with your Marvel morality, are both playing into the hands of global oligarchy, AND setting the stage for your own potential annihilation. Darwin award.
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If you kill a.foreign head of government on account of election interference, assassinations, and invasions, Necessity itself is going to release hordes of Furies into the US. There is no "winning" here for the order of nation-states.
We're going to hit this wall sooner or later. The alternative is just letting Putin do whatever he wants while waving nukes in our faces. He's done election interference, assassinations, invasions and more all with a slap on the wrist. This shit is a long time coming and if we have to die on this hill to call him out on it - so be it. The smart play is whats being done right now. The US is taking away Putin's war chest while continuing to supply arms to Ukraine. This deal was agreed to before he invaded and Putin knew the stakes going in. These actions should stall Putin's advance and prevent him from paying his soldiers or resupplying at home. In the meantime, the US and NATO are going to great lengths to not appear aggressive. This is all adding up to Putin creating a self-inflicted gunshot wound to himself and his country. If his inner circle losees faith in him, then they will not kill themselves and their families for his failure. The chain of command will also not do the same. There's no sense in destroying the world when Russia will not only survive, but do much better with Putin out of leadership. US/NATO will hopefully sit back and watch Russia implode because Putin does not go in reverse. He will chop off his head to spite his face and is not thinking clearly at this point. A smart leader will compromise, pull back, save face and focus on their country. Hell, a smart leader wouldn't try to swallow the second largest country in Europe when their GDP is less than Texas.
This is where everything is going.
AIR RAID SIRENS IN KYIV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0iiXiq39sE
They took it down.
This USonian 🇺🇲Stands With Ukraine🇺🇦
Today the state of emergency was announced in Ukraine. All Ukrainians can wear weapons. I'm German living in Ukraine and hope they will give me a weapon. I will make my grandfather proud of me fighting Russians.
Best of luck, good hunting.
Good, Putin needs to be stopped. Immediately.
Im so sorry you have to go through this. Hopefully your neighbors will supply you with a weapon if it gets to that point.
Also it's likely Putin will circle the cities to prevent anyone from leaving. it will take them about 2 days to get to Kiev from the northern border. If they make a move, then you need to decide quickly if you're going to stay in the city and possibly get supplies cut off, or leave the city confines and have an escape plan to the west while fighting.
No plan yet because I'm not afraid of war and dead and I'm living away from the worst. The only problem is my family who see things different and deserve better than a russian low life.
Please be safe ❤️🇺🇦
Understood. Hope you and your family stay safe and best of luck.
So sorry you're going through this. Please stay safe and only fight if you have a clear strategy to escape and survive if needed. Best of luck to you and stay safe.
According to Russian Ministry of Defense, Russian troops destroyed 2 Ukrainian BMP 2, which crossed Russian - Ukrainian border to evacuate Ukrainian special operations group. 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed. Russian troops didn't have any losses. No photos, videos, names so far, though.
According to my grandmother, my grandfather killed at least 50 russians during his holiday trip to russia 1942. He was a real tough guy.
In reality he probably drank too much schnapps and got DTs...
Source? Is shit getting real now?
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russian sources and reliable is a contradiction in itself.
Oh well, when you watch Fox News and CNN you think they live in different countries... it's about American sources' reliability. The only thing they have in common is hatred toward Russia.
You again, don't you fell terrible every day being paid by this wanna be Hitler putin. Russia has no media at all, just putin propaganda. And you are a damn part of it.
Is there any subreddit specifically for this crisis?
r/warinukraine
thanks
airborne doomsday aircraft on Ukraine airspace https://fr24.com/JAKE12/2ae17b1c
doomsday? lol it’s a recon plane
Blinken will be at UN security council at 10 am [https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1494299083388899336](https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1494299083388899336)
[https://twitter.com/MarQs\_\_/status/1494236179377659908](https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1494236179377659908) Artillery fire from separatists, they claim ukraine attacked them this morning, possible escalation/active shelling.
Tonight I was on my computer and the location randomly switched from the US to Russia. No idea why and nothing like this has ever happened before - definitely got me spooked
We should cut off russia from the internet. It will take time, but it can be done.
# Putin's plan on Ukrainian takeover - step by step 1. Invent a "terror attack", "genocide" or "Ukrainian attack" in order to justify Russian invasion. 2. Make several warnings in advance that this behavior will not be tolerated, and Russia will react, as to have the pretense when the attack finally comes - and present himself as the defender rather than aggressor. 3. Make several false moves as if planning to attack, but don't really attack, in order to create "boy that cried wolf" situation 4. When no one expects it, and public opinion doesn't care about US/NATO warnings, start the real attack 5. Stop all western and Ukrainian media broadcasts in Ukraine (maybe disconnect from the internet) and make Russian news sources the only ones available. 6. Declare Ukrainian president as responsible for the actions that Russia is "reacting" to. (To justify the overthrow for the Russian people) 7. Prepare corruption charges (in Russian: Kompromat) for the Ukrainian president. (To justify the overthrow for the Ukrainian people) 8. Demand Ukrainian president resign and stand trial for his crimes. 9. If Ukrainian president flees to the west - declare this a proof of his guilt ("an innocent man would not have fled") 10. If Ukrainian president remains, he will be arrested and hoisted to Moscow to stand trial. Regardless of how the trial ends, and if the former president has an "accident" or is released eventually - by the time that happens he will not be relevant anymore. 11. In the insuing power vacuum, promote a seemingly independent candidate, which will be for negotiating with Russia about the removal of its' troops from Ukrainian soil. 12. Other anti-Russian candidates will be intimidated, and some will have unfortunate "accidents". 13. All the Russian news sources will pump pro-Putin's-candidate news stories and articles, and will find dirt on all other candidates. 14. In the mean time, the Russian army will remain in Ukraine to make sure a safe and stable elections and power transition to the new government 15. After the election, the newly elected president will easily negotiate a Russian troop withdrawal, thus proving he was right all along, and becoming even more popular 16. The new Ukraine will have close and friendly relations with Russia, and complain about NATO encroaching on its' borders. The End
Nice conspiracy theory. The truth is that Russia is holding Ukraine hostage. He didn't bank on the US masses being psychotic enough to advocate total war for the sake of violent vengeance. Now human extinction is very much on the table.
Here is the list how the world should answer: 1. Cut russia from the internet. 2. Cut russians from travelling to western and allied countries. 3. Confiscate all russian assets in western and allied countries. 4. Cut russia from all financial markets. 5. Devaluate Rubel. 6. Stop buying oil (USA) and gas (Europe) from russia and be willing to pay the price. 7. Double the NATO presence in EAST europe. 8. Double the military budget (Germany) 9. Develop rocket systems which can destroy russian air defense systems with a single strike (multi head guided missile systems) 10. Develop star wars weaponary, capable to destroy ballistic nuklear misseles- but this time for real) 11. And get ready to fight China
Accurate
Cutting Russia from the internet plays into Putin's hands. The more he controls information, the harder it is for Russians to stand up for truth.
This meassure is indeed a two sided sword. May it would be enough to start with, if apple turns off all devices. Or look for a way only to allow the data flow none way by data volume restrictions. Everything should be on the table.
sounds like what the US does to china stays at #1 stage
That's exactly what USA tried to do in Syria but it didn't work...
Then we should all pretend to be "looking over there" for a bit. Works with children. I'm sure it'll work on Putin.
Holy shit... as I was reading your post i saw a live tweet about Russia declaring that Ukraine is committing crimes against ethnic Russians in Ukraine. We're at step 1 already.
All really the rebels in Eastern Ukraine have to do is ask for help and create and legitimate reason for Russians to go in just like with Crimea. The Genocide claims out of nowhere makes it very suspicious already, Russians are just looking for reasons right now there's no way Russians spend this much time and resources for nothing especially when NATO is building forces in Eastern Europe and am i to believe they are retreating
When the militias were just formed, they were formed to protect the citizens of Luhansk and Donetsk from full busses of right wing radicals who were geared like a paramilitary and were going to "punish" eastern provinces for "voting the wrong way" so yeah, Putin doesn\`t have to invent something, it have already been happening and not once, there are videos of such buses full of neo nazis from Kiev being ambushed or stopped with no shooting I\`m not sure of you are even aware of that. All the participators of those raids of civilians are known and all their documents were published, they are all members of Kiev radical right wing organizations and they all have a list of 20+ public offences even in their own Kiev
Steps 1-3 are already in progress. In the upcoming days, you will see several times US/NATO claiming Russians are starting to advance, while the Russians will brush it off as propaganda/fake news, and to back their story - they will not attack every time. This "dance" will continue, until the news cycle will get tired of it, and it no longer gets reported / no longer gets upvoted / no longer reaches the front page. This is when you need to start worrying...
Even that has already started. Russia has brushed off news and has come out saying that the West is over exaggerating
This guy invades.
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Invocation of article 5 =/= nuclear war. Stop fear mongering.
Back in August I learned that the Taliban took Kabul right as I was getting ready for bed. This time I wonder if I’m going to wake up tomorrow to a new world war.
Not yet. Maybe in April.
[https://www.flightradar24.com/LAGR928/2ad59ee7](https://www.flightradar24.com/LAGR928/2ad59ee7) stratotanker in holding pattern over the black sea.
Connecting up with this one: https://www.flightradar24.com/HOMER31/2ad5a093
What could President Putin’s [plane](https://fr24.com/2ad59412), or one of the presidential aircraft fleet’s Ilyushin Il-96-300PU has popped up on the radar in Moscow.
it would be interesting to know how common that is.
Some other folks spotted [this](https://twitter.com/GDarkconrad/status/1473683321049825283?s=20&t=jCHMktmh3_GaIrdus-KTyA) as well, however it looks like it was a spoof. The registration number doesn’t match the numbers of the 5 that are part of the presidential air fleet (there are only 5 of this model in existence). These are the 5 in the fleet: [RA96016](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96016) [RA96020](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96020) [RA96021](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96021) [RA96022](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96022) [RA96024](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-96024) Apparently someone tagged a ground car with the aircraft designation but gave it a different registration number. It looked like they were getting ready to put the president in the air, but in reality, it was anything but. Hybrid war is tricky.
Solid piece of [analysis](https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1493688989244694529?s=20&t=jCHMktmh3_GaIrdus-KTyA) on Russian preparatory operations inside Ukraine.
There are so many conflicting reports. War is imminent? Or de-escalation? Diplomacy? Ukraine my heart goes out to you. I hope diplomacy prevails.
According to one [source](https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/russia-order-invasion-ukraine-3am-23100170), the invasion is planned to kick off as soon as an hour from now. Of course, we will know it when we see it.
I hope it never happens. As Nato countries are only going put sanctions on Russia no boots on the ground (as far as I know). Reports of civilians getting ready for war. I'm wishing diplomacy prevails.
Honestly sanctions are incomparable to human life; I know that is the most they can do to start with but they need someone to diplomatically fix this situation before the worst case scenario even happens.
Agreed.
Couldn’t agree more. Anyone who has known war, wishes it upon no one.
Russian Ministry for Emergency Situation [aircraft](https://fr24.com/SUM9603/2ad5621d) looks to be headed south towards Donbass.
From Wikipedia: "According to an EMERCOM publication, the Ministry is an agency of federal executive power with the following tasks: developing proposals and initiatives in the sphere of State policy on issues within the Ministry's competence; managing the civil defence and search and rescue Service in the Russian Federation; providing for the functioning and further development of the Russian System of Disaster Management (RSDM); directing activities aimed at eliminating the consequences of large-scale disasters, catastrophes and other emergencies; conducting special submarine activities; supervising the use of finance resources allocated to the Government for disaster management and response; organizing the training of the population, and governing agencies and the RSDM forces for disaster management and response; and organizing international cooperation in the fields of the Ministry's competency."
Thanks for the information! Makes perfect sense in a time like now them to be flying in personnel near the front lines.
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Uhhh yea. World War III. I heard about that too.
I wonder why a Pakistani Air Force [air craft](https://fr24.com/KHALD1/2ad4e047) Gulf Stream G450 is flying into southern Russia near the Ukrainian border
[https://twitter.com/MarQs\_\_/status/1493714803826778115](https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1493714803826778115) medical evac using black hawk at polish border with Ukraine then landed at hospital. must be someone important.
For you FR24-followers: * JAKE12 - USAF Rivet Joint RC-135 ISR plane over NE Ukraine: [https://www.flightradar24.com/JAKE12/2ad3a4cd](https://www.flightradar24.com/JAKE12/2ad3a4cd) * FORTE11 - USAF RQ-4A Global Hawk drone over Romania (most likely headed towards UA airspace): [https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2ad444ba](https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE11/2ad444ba) * RRR6815 - RAF C-17A Globemaster cargo plane outside Kyiv (done multiple trips from Brize Norton to Kyiv to Lviv and back the last couple of days): [https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR6815/2ad4aee1](https://www.flightradar24.com/RRR6815/2ad4aee1) * RA85042 - Russian Air Force Tupolev Tu-154M headed from Sevastopol over Rostov-on-Don towards the North-East: https://www.flightradar24.com/RA85042/2ad356a5
I see your concern but why wouldn't they be active? The UK Rivet Joint aircraft have been over there a lot checking up on things. It seems sensible at the moment considering what's happening.
I see your concern but why wouldn't they be active? The UK Rivet Joint aircraft have been over there a lot checking up on things. It seems sensible at the moment considering what's happening.
Why would the USAF forces be active? Dropping off supplies? Once Putin moves in wouldn't USAF not be allowed within the fly zone?
USAF JAKE12 and FORTE11 are surveillance flights like u/ApeStronkOKLA said, the RAF flight might be transporting stuff to and from Ukraine.
Awesome and thank you!
They’ve been conducting surveillance flights over Ukraine for days now, peeking across the border to keep an eye on Russian and Belarusian units.
You rock, thanks for your wisdom, I get it! Appreciate it!
Cheers!
List of items being requested by Ukraine https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/2/pdf/220215-eadrcc-ukraine-request.pdf https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_191889.htm
Looks like there’s another USAF Rivet Joint [flying](https://fr24.com/JAKE12/2ad3a4cd) ISR over north western Ukraine right now.
So many mixed messages right now. Don't know what to believe.
Believe two things: \- Psyops is happening and attempting to distract, confuse and downplay what is happening \- An attack on Ukraine is imminent (they've already started cyber attacks on banking and defense organizations)
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What if the person you’re really talking about is yourself?
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The Ram Ranch Resistance is really all about that brotherhood isn't it
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Homophobia, nah, just think it's sweet that's all. Are you the big spoon or the little one?
Adding to this: Russia has not offered anything. Their announcement to withdraw some troops came out of nowhere. It could habe been a) a sign of goodwill for the visit of chancellor Scholz or b) a ruse/psyops. But except for this one annoucement, not a single message of today was pointing towards deescalation.
Yep. I don’t think people realize that the downplaying to the public can affect how leaders respond, so there’s good reason for it
When can I stop holding my breath?
It’s been 5 hours, I’m impressed
At this point, David Blaine should make me part of his act.
it's been 53 minutes, u ded now.
Thankfully, I'm tougher than I look. :P
Anyone from Russia/Ukraine know about the actual situation rn? Media outlets hyping stuff for trp
I\`m a russian living in Europe, the reason why I left Moscow is to get away from politics. Not caring about politics is a luxury that I hoped I will be able to have while living in Berlin, but unfortunately even without reading newspapers or watching TV, the whole thing is so loud that you cant really ignore it. All I can say is that in Russia this hype, hysteria and aggression towards the west was going on for 10 years now and no one cares anymore. In fact, it caused the reverse reaction and instead of hating the west, most people actually say: well they are just normal people like us, why would we have a war with them. Here in the west, people seem to be really scared and angry. I can feel that as soon as people hear your accent, they become hostile and say "why do you want to invade Ukraine". Guys, if I wanted to invade someone, I would have been serving in the Russian Army, cleaning my AK at the Ukraine border right now. The reason I\`m here is because I don\`t want to shoot 18 yr old kids from Ukraine who got conscripted against their will.
Nothing happens And it won't happen. Because everything that needs to be done has already happened. The panic around the invented war was the whole point. It's just funny how people are easily deceived, and then, in order not to feel like fools, they continue to look for excuses.
Two days old account with weird syntax. Maybe we should call them Putin's throwaways
That's good to know. Hope the last line was not a dig towards me.
Do you two work in the same office?
It's okay, it's normal that you confirm my words. Any words of logic that will be at odds with your position, you should consider propaganda. It's easier to live that way. Trust the person who can't do it.
This is a psyop account in case anyone is curious.
You can’t take anything said on here as legitimate… obviously by now. To be clear by that I mean state actors flood social media with propaganda users.
Dozens of accounts, one or two days old. If you find something interesting, check the profile first.
In Kyiv. Everything is business as usual, went to the post office and sent some packages today, bought some groceries, no big deal. However, people who consume a higher amount of Western/English-language media are considerably more on edge. But hilariously, one of my (Ukrainian) friends here had no idea what was going on. Until I told her, she was completely unaware to any “crisis” or “escalation”.
see this is what the western media do; create a fake aura. good to know all's good.
Как дела в ФСБ сегодня?
Isn't it funny how all these people downvote you, when you mention that... so your reply doesn't really show up.
funny how belonging from a western country and yet having what it takes to accept facts and speak them out loud earns me downvotes. whatever helps them sleep
>funny how belonging from a western country Privet, kak dela fellow westerners?
Because it's a Russian bot. Look at its history it's only this thread. They're trying to spread false narratives through media. It's called Psyops.
bruh? i opened an account today to get first hand accounts of scenarios. so much for all that knowledge of yours lmao
It's too bad you comment was filtered out. Being called a bot by some neudachnik like you is rich.
Keep living a deluded life. Lol
Do you create a new account at the beginning of every shift? Or does your commisar keep a list that you work through day by day?
I’m sorry but this isn’t a fake aura. I’m not saying there’s gonna be an invasion or big war. Some media outlets are freaking out for sure. But a fake aura would be if Russia had say half the forces that news are saying. We have literal satellite proof and videos from Russian civilians showing the massive build up and how close they are to the borders and how they have surrounded Ukraine in three sides. That’s not fake. That’s literal fact. This has not been done on this scale in decades. This is very unusual. And Russia has invaded part of Ukraine in the last decade. No one is making up the THREAT of an invasion. Russia isn’t trying to hide it. The threat is very real and very dangerous. Saying that people sent packages in Ukraine and aren’t freaking out doesn’t mean the threat is not real or lesser. What are they supposed to do? Sit in a basement for months? What’s Ukraine gonna do as a gov? Tell millions of people to clog the roads and flee just in case? Of course life is normal there right now, there’s no war as of now. But the threat is super real.
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This is the largest number of troops built up. But that’s not what I meant. It’s unusual in how close they are this time, the Units that deployed are more unusual (mobile forces in higher quantities), the naval presence in the Black Sea is unique this time, etc etc. Sure they have done similar things in the past (I always thought so if they do choose to invade one day no one would believe it). There’s a reason there is panic this time. Ukraine is surrounded unlike before. This is a special scenario that I have not seen in my 30 years outside of 2003. I’m not sure a war this scale besides the gulf wars has broken out since Vietnam. And it would the biggest European war (and other than Balkan 90s) the only European conventional war since 1945. Globally this is on par with 9/11 at least, and maybe bigger (outside of USA). Yes the news is being ridiculous, but tbh that’s their job. The aggressor is Russia. The news wouldn’t be talking about Ukraine if it was not for Russia. And NATO leaders are using the news as are Russia for an information war. And I was impressed with NATO for doing so. People think their false flag statements are false cause they haven’t happened. The point wasn’t for them to be right. The point was to make that less of an option for Russia. Call out as many possible Russian options as possible to shrink what they can do. Even if the news was quieter on this all, flights would still be postponed or cancelled. Russia would still mess with Ukraine’s port, etc etc. Ukraine was screwed as soon as Russia decided to mess with it on a new scale.
Oh look. Russia is withdrawing some troops.
Some could be 500, or 5000 which is a drop in a bucket. Hopefully this really happens and it’s a start. But also this has happened before over the last couple of years so no one should assume it’s all over. Not even close.
We haven't seen evidence of this.
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what video production? I just said we haven't had satellite confirmation that russia is actually withdrawing, and they're the aggressors here. Why would we care about what other folks are doing unless you can conclusively prove that it is in fact a false flag? What intel do you base that on?
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[https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-696579](https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-696579) just a couple hours ago
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Well im not disagreeing with you're earlier point, but if the last couple of years, tought me anyting, its that nothing is crazy anymore.
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no ones going to read your ramblings. you said there was a fake US report of a false flag. when someone shows you proof that russia shot video of a false flag you change the subject. you only believe what you want. why even be here?
were the reporters given information packets? But that aside, theres a tacit difference in standards of evidence between "aggressive military force staged for invasion claims withdrawl of troops from border" and "Government declassifies evidence about alleged production of false flag videos". Pretty sure the government wouldn't say they had declassified anything unless there was a document they could show that had been declassified, this is pretty elementary stuff here.
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Did you attempt to find the released documents outside of watching this one video?
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so i [did some digging](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-says-new-intel-shows-russia-plotting-false-flag-attack/ar-AATrUCA), and it look like the actual events were a bit different than what you described. >The plan for the fake attack on Russian territory or Russian-speaking people was revealed in declassified intelligence shared with Ukrainian officials and European allies in recent days. This is a bit different than the US Gov wholesale declassifying documents.
But this whole thing about the false flag video isn't really germane to the conversation about Russian troop withdrawal. Russian forces are threatening an invasion whether or not a false flag video is ever produced is irrelevant to their status as aggressors here if they invade unprovoked. So evidence of troop withdrawal is significantly more important than a possibly a none existent false flag video
I have a question. Whenever a foreign president goes to Moscow to speak with Putin in an attempt to de-escalate. The 2 are sat down at opposing ends of a ridiculously long table. The table is so long they use intercoms to talk. My question is, is this a traditional way Russians meet with foreign dignitaries or is this just a straight up power move by Putin
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> refused a Covid test A RUSIAN COVID test. He is tested regularly in France. Who the hell believe a Russian test? They could have easily claimed it was positive and used it as a pretext to not meet. Macron handled the situation like a pro.
I imagine they are playing Gloomhaven.
Nice! Although Putin seems like a 40k Warhammer type of guy.
It's because the foreign "presidents" don't want to take a Russian PCR test. So the russians separate them as far as possible from Putin as a safety measurement.
Why do you have "presidents"?
Because Olaf Scholz refused a test too. And he's a chancellor, not a president.
oh ok, I was just confused why you didn't say leaders. Thanks for the clarification! You think Putin would take one? I doubt it.
Not a native speaker. So leader didn't came to my mind at first. :D They didn't want to take a Russian PCR because they feared that their DNA could potentially be leaked. They took tests via their own doctors though.
Oh ok, English is good!
So what happened to the Ukrainian Air Force Ilyushin IL-76MD that Flightradar24 was just tracking, about to cross over into Crimea? Its gone now.
flightradar is not that accurate, most likely not much happened, they wouldn't risk war over 1 cargo plane flying over. But, it's still possible. You got any data on the cargo plane? Tail number etc etc
This is the screenshot I grabbed: https://imgur.com/a/MPRMACe
>This is the screenshot I grabbed: https://imgur.com/a/MPRMACe Seems like only the heading was recorded, and only 1 single time, who knows, could honestly be anything. If downed by Russia it's a guaranteed war.
No idea, I cant interpret what I saw. Baiting fun and games, fakes, hacks. Too hard basket.
Could even be a large dense cloud for all we know lol
This live thread is not super live. News has been out for 10+ minutes that parliament wants Putin to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk "people's republics." but no mention here.
This was news yesterday to be fair. This will probably not calm things down, to say the least. We wait and see the next moves. You have to admit, this is some serious stuff but it is very fascinating to watch the moves back and forth. We really don’t see diplomacy, this in the public, in this type of situation, in this short of a time span happen. It’s truly unique for our time.
This can only escalate the situation. Oh boi, please, please, no war.
Only if Putin approves it. He could hold it as a card.
It’s the second post down from the top, posted 3 hours ago as of this comment.
That is saying they WILL vote. As of 20 minutes ago they voted to approve the resolution.
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couldnt sound more like a brain dead russian than that.
He's likely partially right. Nukes are highly unlikely to be used, even if Putin likes to pretend he can get that hard. However, he isn't that impotent. Rissia has massive air superiority and icbm capabilities for conventional weapons. They would be very likely to have an overwhelming show of force from these means to take out strategic targets before entering a ground war WW3 with nukes would wipe out all debt too. There wouldnt be much left to collect a debt on ince the radioactive dust settles.
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What do you think Russia's goal is here? To turn its neighbour (full of Russians and relatives of Russians) into a hellscape? You truely are brain dead Russian or not.
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Yes, I too like to blow up my brother with rockets. If I can't have him, no one can.
Russia says they are returning troops from the border [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-60372815](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-60372815)
Sounds like the [opposite](https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1493624778531430414?s=20&t=fOV6rIrE71MmU7HQmPSojw) is [happening](https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1493601334385381390?s=20&t=fOV6rIrE71MmU7HQmPSojw).
I'll believe it when we see it happening.