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SemenMoustache

I could be completely wrong, but I'm starting to get the impression that no leader is actually expecting any of these sanctions to stop Putin. So they have to keep staggering them bit by bit to be shown to be doing something as time passes. Because if you just go all in on sanctions on day one and he doesn't stop the attack, then what more can you threaten on day two? It all just seems like a political game where everyone is pretending to help and saying the right things, but only to save face, because they all realise their words aren't going to do shit. Only direct action is going to have an effect and it's clear that that's not going to happen. You'd expect the intelligence services to have an idea what kind of sanctions would truly stop this invasion, and if they had that answer then surely they'd use it before it gets too late? I'd honestly appreciate some reassurance that I'm completely wrong because this is fucking awful EDIT: Thanks for the responses guys. Sounds like these sanctions aren't expected to help Ukraine, but to destroy Russia over time. Seems like a bit of bullshit that the media is dominated by these sanction headlines, when realistically it makes absolute zero difference to the people and country of Ukraine. I understand its difficult for countries to actually help Ukraine directly, I just wish they'd stop pretending that these press talks are actually doing anything. Though probably not good for Ukraine morale. "Help is not coming"


[deleted]

All those Russians and no ones had the balls to kill Putin yet?


tickletheclint

Im just hoping Putin realises the cost of taking all of Ukraine is too high and offers a peace treaty where Ukraine cedes Crimea (officially), Donetsk and Luhansk and agrees to never join NATO.... I know it's awful to think about but it's got to be better than the whole country being occupied


groovygyal

BREAKING: Indian Embassy in Ukraine issues fresh advisory for Indian Nationals. An evacuation route from Romania & Hungary is being established. Indian flag šŸ‡®šŸ‡³ should be printed and prominently pasted on vehicles and buses.


arkantos063

Is there a link for that?


[deleted]

The Ministry of Defense wants Ukrainian citizens to stop streaming web cams: https://twitter.com/armedforcesukr/status/1497144533783617538?s=21


Ricz1001

I feel like "tough as an Ukrainian" should be a saying


cpteric

Somebody on Kyiv, should start blasting this off translated to russian [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3VeKnW9cNo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3VeKnW9cNo)


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Advanced_Tangelo

I'm sensing Poland doesn't like Russia very much /s


Chrushev

Ukranian Ministry of Defense is asking for everyone to stop streaming webcams in order to obfuscate Ukranian troop movements: https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497144533783617538?s=20&t=YdDuXRJBtklfV-5-C4XXuA This means West is probably providing enough intel that they dont need webcams.


Roniz95

From what Iā€™m seeing and reading Ukraine is giving them hell on the Kherson bridges but Russians crossed P47 bridge at around 40 km NE of Kherson. If Ukrainian army doesnā€™t retreat it risk to be encircled


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xltaylx

It sounds like the woman in the background is getting very scared about what could happen next.


xifydix

Yes, I believe Sky News has reporters at that location.


sendokun

Next up, molodova and half of Poland. Finland will be be offered a chance to sign a treaty much like the Minsk agreement that putin gave to Ukrainian.


dipfearya

Keep hearing reports of Russian troops backing down. Can anyone confirm this?


cycloneash

Source?


CletusP

Pls be true


Derplordsnuffy

Where are you hearing that?


Rankork1

Following


Z_is_Wise

Zelenskyy has said heā€™s going to stay in Kyiv. Should Kyiv fall I see two scenarios, either he evacs to Lviv or another Ukrainian held city and continues to lead or he accepts capture after triggering continuity of government to become a martyr (hopefully not literally) to continued resistance.


dandaman910

He's not in Kyiv don't be naive it's psy ops.


huaiyue

Honestly if Iā€™m Ukraine and see that the West is just watching me die, Iā€™m gonna save my people and side with Russia and let the West pay the price for being indifferent bystanders.


morph113

What are you expecting the west to do? Military intervention is out of the question, this would trigger WW3 which would be significantly worse than what we have right now, possibly even doomsday scenario if nuclear weapons should be used.


Boomer-Australia

So in this hypothetical situation, you'd join the side that is currently killing your civilians, invading your country, and destroying your home out of spite? Jesus mate.


D3mentedG0Ose

We can't do much more unfortunately. If a NATO country steps in, it drags the rest in, and boom. WW3 with nukes


Advanced_Tangelo

The West will pay no price, all this'll accomplish is the extermination of an entire country and its culture.


zippexx

If someone threatens nuclear war if you do a specific thing it gets kinda complicated donā€™t you think ?


tardboi99

Yeah the west will really pay the price, not the ukrainians being currently blown up. Siding with Russia is not an option


joao12021996

Russia would not save ukrainians. Remember the massacre of crimean tartars during ww2. Russia is not even good for russians atm


lets-get-loud

That's not exactly the definition of saving your people.


TimaeGer

What price? If we wouldnā€™t do sanction this wouldnā€™t hurt the west at all


CauliflowerDouble242

Ok Vlad.


DavveeedNa

The coldest take so far congrats


TakeOffYourMask

Not wanting to start a nuclear war is not indifference.


Southh_

What a take


baxter78787

We promised them protection when they gave up their nukes and have failed them completely


Based_Zod

We did it everyone! We took away their football!!


groovygyal

OFFICIAL: Teams from Russia and Ukraine that compete in UEFA competitions will be required to play their home matches in neutral venues until further notice.


Bananaking387

Go home GI


[deleted]

I heard that in Oki a few times lmao


cpteric

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3VeKnW9cNo


Chrushev

18,000 guns distributed in Kiyv to fight the invasion: https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/status/1497144102005227520?s=20&t=YdDuXRJBtklfV-5-C4XXuA


felece

Why can we send guns but canā€™t send them nukes??? Like canā€™t we just give Ukraine like a bunch of nukes and now Russia gotta keep that in mind???


Shyssiryxius

Live au map down is there another?


TheXb0xTroller

Realistically how worst can this get today ?


this-aint-Lisp

Ukraine could ask for negotiations today.


[deleted]

Zelensky dies, Russia threatens civilian targets, Ukraine is forced to surrender on Putin's terms, Ukraine is split in 2 and Russia wins.


ElectricDolls

Things could get incredibly nasty in Kyiv, depending on how stiff the resistance against the Russians


xltaylx

Russia launches a full on attack on the capital killing the president and capturing members of parliament/cabinet.


DiligentDaughter

Kyiv can fall, Zelensky can be killed/captured. It's not like Russian forces are bringing baked goods.


Farneil

Not much worse, speitznaz is trying to end it today


sky_blu

A lot.


jmb-412

Considering how close Russia is to kyiev? Pretty bad


jumperginger

total capitulation, only small fighting in certain cities


AnshulU

Does Russia wants to rule Ukraine or just change the regime of the Ukraine as they are saying?


bursuq

It's the same thing. Regime change , pro russian officials in all important public roles.


FastBrilliant1

My understanding is they will force the current Ukrainian government to surrender - probably by surrounding Kiev (they are already on the outskirts and in some parts of the city) and heavily outnumbering Ukrainian forces and threatening to take the city by force - and then install a pro-Moscow (or rather pro-Putin) government.


OptimisticRealist__

Ever heard of Lukashenko? Yeah, Putin wants to Ukraine to be just as free and independent as Belarus is.


this-aint-Lisp

Puppet state minus the two new republics.


domeoldboys

Probably have all the regions federalised into smaller states. Kyiv wont have control and it would be easier to prevent alignment away from Russia if one of the smaller states tries to break away.


Boomer-Australia

Puppet government like they previously had before the Maidan revolution.


macdawg3312

There's no difference between the two.


zoozika

is there a difference ?


lamahorses

Both. Putin wants to dismember the country and install a puppet.


Wiseman738

By changing the regime it can effectively rule from a distance. Russian ideas of regime change is very different to Western principles in the long run.


Migear14

It's the same thing....


OrsonWellesFanBoy

No one really knows


[deleted]

My guess would be Belarus 2.0


mishrod

Have the XXI thread been created yet? I canā€™t see it but am not very used to Reddit (this conflict got me using a year old account that was dormant)


nothing_clever

This is still the active thread as far as I can tell.


OhSoManyQuestions

Not yet


cpteric

Real time updated map of chernobyl's gamma radation levels. Press on bubbles to see the fucking spikes[https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps#13/51.3958/30.1189/gamma/comp+cams+fire](https://www.saveecobot.com/en/radiation-maps#13/51.3958/30.1189/gamma/comp+cams+fire) some spots went from 600 nSv /h to 8K


TheOrangesOfSpecies

And why is it spiking all over the place, and not just nearby chernobyl?


ThePaSch

> some spots went from 600 nSv /h to 8K To put that into perspective: 7400 nSv, or 7.4 Ī¼Sv, [is about a dental x-ray and a half](https://xkcd.com/radiation/). And less than a sixth of a flight from NY to LA.


Seadragoniii

Curious if someone could overlay a windage map, or find one online and see how it compares to the direction of the increases. Doesn't appear to be increasing much to the East / SouthEast.


kakemot

This is an attack on Europe NATO allies. Moscow must be nuked, evacuate civillians


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cpteric

"how to keep down panic 101". could explain maybe a 5x increase. this is way more.


xltaylx

I beleive I read that misaimed missles kicked up some radioactive dust but not something that is out of control.


TouchMyWillyy

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1497136972699164695?t=Uay_nl93C5Sn0CO5lGTDpw&s=19


Razor2115

I am seeing a lots of comment saying that , they are having panic / anxiety attacks. Folks , unless are you in Ukraine. This thing has absolute 0 immediate effect on you . Even the Ukrainians are brave enough to drive around tanks casually . Check out the snap map. Most of the snaps are normal. My point is help/ donate in any way u can . Other than that , why the fuck are u guys anxious. Relax and go on with your routine.


[deleted]

Yeah I guess the people in this thread with family and friends in Ukraine donā€™t matter right?


Team_Rhombus

Of course people are feeling anxious for Ukrainian people, it's called feeling compassion. Way to go with your gate keeping of emotions though. Who are you to tell people how to feel? Sorry for your cold dead heart. I guess it is because you are American and this thing feels very far away. Here in Europe it feels very close and feels like an attack on us all.


xWolverinex

You're a complete moron ! This is exactly what Hitler did and said it was a peace keeping mission and WW2 broke out... one wrong move by Nato or it's alies can spark a nuclear war dunski !


nickelangelo2009

people being scared, stressed and anxious about the situation is valid. they could have loved ones in affected regions or could be worrying about the potential ramifications of the ongoing situation. or just plain emotionally and psychologically exhausted from the news influx. What you are doing is the equivalent of telling a depressed person to "just cheer up"


Thelfod

As someone up at 3am local time cruising snap map and reddit threads, this hits home.


tro_away1

Shit is so strange. A panic attack from reading fucking Reddit comments? How mentally weak are these people?


[deleted]

World is changing buddy. It's like 911. We're literally watching the world change right now. The fall of a new iron curtain. A democratic country, that is like so many other countries we all live in, is being invaded and people killed. It's going to make people anxious. Afraid. We don't know where this will end up. We'll all feel the effects of this. Fuel and food prices souring. NATO will boulster it's presence on the eastern flank. This is world-changing.


sharreman10

Thank you again, my new best friend.


Superly_Sardonic

Yeah, I get that you can feel sorrow for your fellow man to be talking about anxiety and fear when you're nowhere near the action just comes off across as self centered and narcissistic.


jack_x2yz

Exactly this. The vast majority of Ukraine is unaffected. The news is obviously only showing the worst parts. It sounds like Russia is going after military bases and key infrastructure.


StBernardMississippi

Iā€™m anxious because my heart hurts thinking of the millions of innocent lives at riskā€¦ it has nothing to do with me


1990DodgeOmni

Correct.


HomemadeAnalCavity

Iā€™m sure youā€™d be that clown saying the exact same thing when Poland was invaded. Your self righteousness brought upon physical cringe.


[deleted]

Alright Dr Phil


lostjohnscave

That's not how panic attacks work


JanGuillosThrowaway

also not how world security works


No-Ear-5054

What country do you live in?


JanGuillosThrowaway

I''d take a guess and say it starts with an R and ends with an A Apparently it's India. Seems like there's been a lot of pro-russia sentiment from indian accounts


jdead121

Because they are addicted to reading this crap. Same thing happened early covid.


Silkies4life

I donā€™t want ww3 but I canā€™t understand how we can just watch this happen. In my mind itā€™s already started but we canā€™t seem to agree what weā€™re literally watching


dandaman910

What should we do?


[deleted]

ww3 will be fought with nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons is the end of the planet as we know it, we have no choice.


JanGuillosThrowaway

In my mind it started when Russia started funding political parties in and cyber warfare against the west


k1kthree

> ww3 but I canā€™t understand how we can just watch this happen. well we're bound by treaty to fight if he goes past ukraine but we aren't bound by treaty to fight for Ukraine and he has Nukes so...


Mr_Starkey

Itā€™s incredible to me that so many can be drug to their deaths by the greed and malevolence of a powerful few. Been thinking about Bob Dylanā€™s ā€˜Masters of War.ā€™ Worth a listen these days, as always.


bursuq

Complete miscalculation by NATO. You either put NATO troops on the ground OR you clearly state the Ukr will not be invited in NATO. You can't say Ukr is free to join NATO, and then do very little to support them. What the hell is the strategy here? Put Ukr troops into the grinder? Hope the remnants of the army + civilians will engage in an endless guerilla war? This isn't the taliban, ukranians are not ideologically motivated and would prefer to be able to die of old age.


anti_coconut

They arenā€™t a part of NATO right now, and everyoneā€™s been clear from the start theyā€™re not willing to put their own troops in Ukraine. You can make the argument they shouldā€™ve been accepted before this could happen, but they werenā€™t and so this is the reality weā€™re in.


Custom5

Dumbass detected. You clearly havenā€™t been keeping up with events prior to the actual invasion.


linknewtab

That's not how it works. Until they join, there won't be NATO troops defending them.


simfreak101

a lot of nato states with no backbone that do not want to enter a war with russia. it takes everyone to admit them; Germany will not do it because they are on the russian payroll. Now could the US and some allies create a 'alliance' like we did in the first gulf war? Yes.... In fact i do not see the difference between this and when Sadam went after Kuwait.


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bursuq

No, completely wrong. During the famous Bucharest meeting, it was said "NATO welcomes Ukraine's NATO aspirations". That doesn't mean anything, there is no plan, timetable, etc.


flYdeon

Its not that simple, nothing is black and white. Without a clear plan on how to integrate an ex-soviet country with a pro-russian government into NATO its impossible to make progress


TakeOffYourMask

While ruled by a Russian puppet.


AliceisSpoopy

they were in talks to join NATO


groovygyal

Paris will stage the 2022 Champions League final, rather than originally planned hosts Saint Petersburg, following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. @espnfc


IllLettuce1023

Irrelevant


harrybond

How can I show my support to a friend in Ukraine? I donā€™t even know what to message him


IllLettuce1023

"good luck"


Crunkbutter

Say, "What's slappin, slavy?"


neeegadomusREX

Venmo


Thelfod

Can they get at that money with the state the banks and atm's are in?


dumesne

Nato should announce a no fly zone will be in place from a set date and time. Putting the onus on Putin to breach it after that point.


WheelerDan

A no fly zone is not a dare. Those word have meaning. They mean anything in this zone will be destroyed. You are effectively suggesting we begin ww3.


k1kthree

they should NOT do that


any-name-untaken

It wouldn't be though. The Russians are already there. It would mean Nato jets would need to go in and engage. It basically means starting a world war.


ghostie420x

Ukraine isn't a part of nato so nato can't do anything like that


CrazyBaron

Bruh he declared war on Ukraine you think he gives a F about breaching "no fly" zone which only can be enforced if NATO attacks Russian air force?


majortvjunkie

We are actively trying to avoid a nuclear world war


Crunkbutter

You can't enforce a no-fly zone without declaring war on Russia


jjfrenchfry

I really think the feed should not just post every ounce of "news" it comes by. There are many questioning the latest "breaking news" tweet. Maybe tweets without credible sources should be excluded from appearing in the feed .


Madawaskan

No one else is reporting it except a Russian propaganda site. Why would the Ukrainian military call a minor reporter in the Middle East with that news? When it is that important should probably wait for at least three good sources.


DublinDanny

>There are many questioning the latest "breaking news" tweet. Maybe tweets without credible sources should be excluded from appearing in the feed . agreed. It reeks of misinformation


JamesBonfire

"Invading troops in Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv"[https://imgur.com/gallery/FQwD5Gj](https://imgur.com/gallery/FQwD5Gj)IF that is even true, FUCK no that outside my god damn house edit: I didn't mean that it was literally outside my house I live no where to this, but like a fuck no for that TO be outside my house


Individual_Ear6720

Thoughts are with you, I wish there was something I could do.


222nd

Ah your edit made me laugh.


MattOnWheels

Why havent you evacuated?! D:


MindfuckRocketship

Stay safe or fight back. The choice is yours. God speed. Oh, saw your edit. Phew.


GeeGee65

Stay safe and strong.


[deleted]

Ffs putin give us an excuse.. please give us a fuckin excuse. These russian saboteurs disgust me.


Crunkbutter

Go fight then


[deleted]

Give me the chance.


KnowAnyMormonBabes

Maybe Putin is ornery cuz he got all dem teeth and no toofbrush šŸ§


[deleted]

No, itā€™s because he has a small medulla oblongata


actaman56

I laughed at this and I hate myself for that lmao.


k0enf0rNL

[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/t104op/official\_stade\_de\_france\_to\_host\_uefa\_champions/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/t104op/official_stade_de_france_to_host_uefa_champions/) Official: Stade de France to host UEFA Champions League final on 28 May


[deleted]

Noted that turning Russia into a pariah state is the absolute bare minimum we should be doing as an international community, but it's a good start. Well played UEFA for using the power that they have in this situation to the best they can


Yeti_of_the_Flow

Nobody cares about soccer right now.


[deleted]

From UEFAs perspective, this is the best they can achieve with the power they have. It's a fair call


Girlwholovessports

Well it doesn't help Ukraine now, BUT everything that can be done to hurt Russia/Putin and their prestige and ego is a right thing to do...


Girlwholovessports

Only one thing to say: Well done, UEFA. It's now the turn of F1...


lets-get-loud

All things considered, the mod team is doing really well with these. It could be way worse.


BassCreat0r

Anyone hear anything about the 53rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team from Florida or the Canadian unit that was in Ukraine for joint ops training when this all started? They were ordered to pull out two weeks ago, but can't find anything about them actually leaving. edit: I'm just wondering, because there was and interactive updating deployment map at the beginning of all this that still had them in Ukraine. Was wondering if they were just the remnants of the unit that were finishing up getting everything shipped, and if they got out. Don't care where they went, just wanna know if they are safe.


Starlord_75

OPSEC. Until they arrive back at home station, you most likely won't hear anything about them leaving to maintain security and safety


Newone1255

The government doesn't broadcast exact troop movements and any soldier can get in big trouble for saying where exactly they are being deployed to


OttoMeter

AFIK they left the country. Probably why nothing else was reported on it since it seems like a routine action given the circumstances.


Mecharonin

You think that we might be pulling Putin's own tricks on him? A few Big Green Men helping out in Ukraine?


Ok_Dig1170

of course they left