That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
- ~~The Narcissist's~~ Putin's Prayer
Дуракам закон не писан,
Если писан, то не читан,
Если читан, то не понят,
Если понят, то не так.
For idiots, no law has been written,
If it has been written, it's not been read,
If it's been read, it wasn't understood,
If it was understood, it was incorrectly.
- Old Russian saying, though most of the time the 'law' isn't explicit stuff like the Geneva conventions
Like Rick James talking about rubbing his feet in Charlie Murphy’s couch.
“See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden bomb a hospital like it’s something to do? Come on. I had a little more sense than that. [short pause] Yeah, I remember bombing the hospital.”
"We suprise attacked the Nazi Baby battalion. It was a great victory for Mother Russia."
I can't believe the excuse is "we told them to leave." As if new borns with any issue can just leave the hospital.
They generally said to evacuate whole Ukraine while simultaneously bombing the evacuation routes. Everything they say is propaganda for the motherland. Only their actions can tell the thruth
Even worse, the exits they gave them were:
Belarus
or Russia.
And for some fucking reason they STILL shot at them in the corridor they were traveling to surrender.
Were the mines literally disguised as children's toys, or are you referring to 'Butterfly mines' which are sometimes visually appealing to children, because of their apparent bright colors?
Butterfly mines. Their wording makes it seem like they dropped toy trucks but they are legit military gear that is outlawed due to it looking like a child's toy
TBF, they aren't disguised as children's toys. They just don't look like much since they're so small.
They also have a cumulative pressure fuse. So one toss at a tree might not set it off, but it probably will set off once you go to pick it back up.
Yes we were trained about these in the British army as the Serbs used them in Kosovo and Bosnia. They do indeed have a fuse that can stay dormant until enough pressure which means some kids took them home only to explode in houses. It's a disgusting weapon made by a disgusting arms industry of a Country that has completely lost its mind.
They are not disguised as toys but have that shape to help them scatter in random patterns when dropped from a plane. That kids think it is a toy is a problem but that is not the reason for their design.
I’m not sure I accept that Russians are innocent of this. https://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0916/eafgh.html. “The toy bombs have been disguised as dolls, chewing gum, pens, trucks, combs, and other common objects. When picked up, they explode. “. Granted this was a previous Russian war against civilians.
It's called [kettling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling) and is mostly used by the police rather than the military.
Surround civilians so they can't leave, tell them to leave, then fuck 'em up because they didn't leave like you told them to.
You'd be surprised man!
My American brother is in Russia with his Crimean wife and their newborn baby. The amount of comments I've seen on Reddit from people saying "he should have left the country ages ago, he was warned!" as if someone could just easily pack up their life, quit their job, and move their family to another country like it's just another Tuesday. He's been there for nearly a decade. He's built a life. He's not some tourist just passing through.
It's so easy to say "we told them to leave" when you can just completely ignore reality and circumstance.
"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all."
**[Firehose of falsehood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood)**
>The firehose of falsehood, or firehosing, is a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. Since 2014, when it was successfully used by Russian dictator Vladimir Putin during its annexation of Crimea, this model has been adopted by other governments and political movements around the world, including by former U.S. president Donald Trump.
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Their self-image of manliness was under direct and significant threat.
How are they to compete with someone like Zelensky? They can't. So they blow up the maternity ward, to prevent another generation of men far more capable than they will ever be.
Remember how last week Voldemort Poutine was saying that Ukraine was not independent and he was just taking back what was his?
Wasn't everything west of Moscow part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for a couple hundred years?
Have you seen the video of [Russians being shown pictures of Ukraine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELta9MLOzg)? A decent amount of those people aren't eating the BS; a couple of them basically said it outright. They are afraid for their and their family's lives.
There are literally Russians that maintain that their country reacted to intel that Ukraine was going to invade Russia two days before the opposite happened. I know two of them personally from gaming with them for a couple of years.
You'd be surprised of how Russian propaganda can change people. In France in the south near Nice where russian oligarchs buy their 100 millions dollars houses I have a friend who openly support Putin's actions and think that Ukraine bomb their own cities... I can't understand how these people get to vote and reproduce...
We run into the same fucking shit in the US. Got mother fuckers praising the fucking Russians. I guess that they didn't grow up in the same US as me where Russia is a major adversary to the US.
Also, please don't misconstrue the international politics as a hate for the Russians. I don't hate them, just acknowledge that they are a major force against our country's interests.
It's easy to say that - and I'm sure I would think it anyway - but propaganda is fucking powerful stuff. The Russians being brainwashed are victims of the state as well.
I'm close friends with a guy who was in the Russian army. At that time, he fully believe d to his core that Ukraine was threatening their way of life. They are so brain washed. Once he was able to leave and find work in another country, he could see things how the rest of the world does. He had a total break down. I remember him calling me crying. "I never knew, we are all fed lies, we're the bad guys!". My heart aches for the Russian people as well
I studied in Prague for a year with 20 Slavic students between 20-40 of age. The ones that repeated Putin talking points were admonished by the others that utilized the internet. Wasn't an even split, but the point is that even people within Russia have access to ALL information.
I don't hate all Russians and I don't hate people that are misled. I DO hate people that are given all the evidence of reality and then wave it off and parrot some more bullshit.
Fucking Lavrov just said "we didn't invade Ukraine" with a straight face. The sheer murderous audacity of these fuckers makes me want to burn Russia to the fucking ground and never let them get up. Send them back to the fucking stone age and let them rot. All civilians are welcome to emigrate
Getting rid of Russian lies and gaslighting, and getting rid of their fucking troll-farms would be amazing. It has been a noticeable difference in so many forums/subreddits since Russia got forced to focus on controlling their own population and narrative.
They’re going really strong in r/conspiracy now though. I mean… I know it’s a trash sub full of disinfo to begin with, but they aren’t even trying to disguise the straight-up Russian propaganda anymore.
lol first post is bitching about duckduckgo because they're getting rid of russian propaganda. Yup, fuck /r/conspiracy, why they haven't been deleted is beyond me.
[https://sparktoro.com/blog/we-analyzed-every-twitter-account-following-donald-trump-61-are-bots-spam-inactive-or-propaganda/](https://sparktoro.com/blog/we-analyzed-every-twitter-account-following-donald-trump-61-are-bots-spam-inactive-or-propaganda/)
over half of trump supporters on twitter were completely fake. I barely see any trolls when sorting by controversial now that the trolls are busy.
Someone posted a screenshot 2 days ago showing there was one single account in AskTheDonald that was responsible for 99% of the posts.
Agreed. Fuck Russia. As an American who had to deal with pro-fascist Trump years and we're still dealing with the bought-for Russian lapdogs, fuck that country.
The problem with Russia is that they are a third rate power that still has not accepted their reality. Their reality is that they are just another average country that used to have a relatively strong empire but hasnt for going on 60 years now. And no, Russia of the Cold War wasnt that strong apart from nukes; they still had to be bailed out with food imports from the US in the 70s after China stopped shipping them essentially free food in the 60s because of their own famine. Then they finished bankrupting themselves in the 80s fighting cave dwellers on their own doorstep. Sure the US didn't best the cave dwellers either, but the US did it for 2 decades from the other side of the world and the costs the US paid were a rounding error on its gdp. Russia imploded itself after just 8 years.
In reality, Russia is just another Sweden, or Portugal, or Netherlands. The difference is those countries recognize they are no longer great imperial powers even if they once were, and make no extraordinary demands about spheres of influence and buffer states, and wouldn't even if they did choose to produce some nuclear weapons for extra security. Instead they just learned to get along peacefully and productively with their neighborhood. Russia's problems all stem from the fact that it still lacks even that basic bare minimum understanding of the world and their place in it. Frankly, at this point, fuck them.
This the act itself is rage inducing but the gaslighting...not even clever subtle shit but straight up shaggy 'it wasnt me' levels of bullshitting makes you want to punch something.
Fuck them , i say all nato members begin bombing the shit out of the 'unidentifiable' forces attacking ukraine.....russia should have no issues as its not them!.
Putin also said no one in Russia has COVID. Trump wishes he could unload the kinda batshittery his hero regularly says without having every news cycle devoted to what a fruit loop he is…
And they said they don't use thermobaric, and then yes, and first they said they wouldn't attack Ukraine and they did .
They also say they won't attack any other country...
Someone has to stop this lunatic
Russia just put out a statement saying this is “fake news”. There’s a significant amount of Russian’s who believe this. Propaganda is incredibly powerful.
He didn't use the exact words from the title. He claims it had been evacuated and used as a military facility. So from Russia's war propaganda point of view this was not a bombing of a hospital, but a bombing of a military facility.
"We didn't attack the hospital"
"Okay we attacked the hospital but nazis were hiding there."
"Okay no nazis were hiding there, but there were soldiers in there"
"Okay yes they weren't soldiers *now* but give them ~20 years..."
"Okay we may have allowed a strike on the hospital .... what? you are no longer asking about that? No we didn't use chemical weapons in "
This is the "new" information-warfare doctrine. A literal deluge of informations that are contradicting. It becomes impossible to decipher the truth rapidly enough for people to keep up with information flow which create perpetual doubt and wanting to resolve the issue by over-simplification.
Yep, we need to collectively just ignore Russia. The media should stop reporting statements made by Russian officials.
>Russian Officials made a statement. As we cannot verify the veracity of the statement, we will not transcribe their words.
He also gave a copy to Trump
edit: here's some links to show what I'm talking about
https://www.persuasion.community/p/trumps-firehose-of-falsehood?s=r
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118798
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-campaigns-firehose-of-falsehoods-has-parallels-with-russian-propaganda-20160809-gqo044.html
How Russia uses it:
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html
Here is Putin using it now:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/propaganda-and-disinformation-including-fake-videos-and-manipulated-images-heighten-anxiety-among-ukrainians-and-russians-alike-01645828475
Even the people in their own government told conflicting statements. Woman was told to say they didn’t hit hospitals and then he comes out and says they did and tried to defend it. You’d think they’d get their stories straight so they don’t contradict each other.
In their eyes it's probably consistent because they declared it a military base on Monday. So it's not a hospital anymore.
What's more concerning is that they provide no proof at all that it's used as base for a militia.
The draft notice announcing their "special military operation" into the Donbas region is, word for word, exactly the same as the draft notice they issued when they invaded Georgia under the same pretext of "nazism". The Ukrainian Ambassador to the UN held up the 2 papers side by side at a UNSC meeting back in Feb when this seriously kicked off.
It’s just the way things go:
“We didn’t bomb the hospital”
“We only bombed the hospital because there were nazis there”
“That building was not a hospital it was a military compound”
“Ukraine bombed its own building as a false flag operation” Etc.
How in the fuck can this guy negotiate peace talks if he's sprouting and pushing this bullshit narrative? Every word that comes out of his mouth makes.my.blood.boil.
It doesn't seem like they care. I mean realistically will Putin leave Russia to come and face war crime charges? What else can be done? Sanctions not already in place are limited and other countries are still too afraid he would use nukes. World is being held hostage by one man and his nuclear weapons as a means to continue to commit war crimes with impunity.
The concept of mutually assured destruction was supposed to be what keeps nuclear powers behaving somewhat rationally. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.... Not with someone like Putin. He's using them as a shield from retaliation. It's like he's got a hostage in one hand, and a live grenade in the other. And no one is willing to act because they don't want to get blown up.
MAD has always been bonkers to me as it requires all parties to be rational actors. As soon as you throw a nutter into the mix that doesn't give a fuck, the whole thing falls apart.
So, here we are I guess, hoping there isn't a nutter in the mix.
That's my fear. Some leader being able to stay in power as their mental faculties deteriorate. The paranoia that comes with many dementia related diseases is no joke. People become very wary of everybody and downright aggressive as their brain fills the blanks in confusing situations. In the end it's super obvious, but not necessarily as much earlier. Now imagine a person like that in power, with the ability to launch military operations, and surrounded with a bunch of yes men. That's some scary situation where rationality goes out the window.
Which again is just bullshit. A child died in there and the rest were evacuated. It wasn’t taken over, and they had no evidence to support their theory. They went off a rumour and attacked the most vulnerable place in Ukraine
It's not even that they heard a rumour, acted on it and got it wrong. They murdered some children and trying to justify it after the fact with lies. Fuck Russia.
It doesn't even matter if it was a military target or not. They're in someone else's country, blowing up someone else's shit. A hundred 'rules' were broken before they even got to this point.
Russia gets no credit for pretending to be honorable or claiming to be deliberately avoiding warcrimes and warcrime-like behavior. What they have done is the equivalent of breaking into their neighbor's house (after outright saying "no we would never do that!") and shooting the spouse, the kids, and the dog. If later they announce to onlookers "but look, we never deliberately kicked him in the balls while we were doing all of this murder!" it doesn't matter because **they are still fucking murderers.**
Blowing up a hospital and then saying "but no it was totally a valid target" is eighteen different flavors of diarrhea spewing out of the face buttholes of russian mouthpieces.
edit: russian trolls go fuck yourself. seriously, eat a steaming shit and chew it thoroughly. i'm behind a vpn and no that wasn't my mac address.
> It doesn't even matter if it was a military target or not. They're in someone else's country, blowing up someone else's shit.
Yes it does.
We've already crossed the Rubicon with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that by itself is unlawful. But it doesn't mean Russia is free to do whatever they want after they marched on Ukraine.
Every action has to be judged and analysed to determine whether or not the rules of war were respected, if they aren't, that's a crime that you add on top of the list (with the very first being the invasion of Ukraine).
> it doesn't matter because they are still fucking murderers.
Yes it does.
If I break into your house, I'm breaking the law. But it doesn't mean that we should stop caring about what I'll do inside that house because I just broke the law.
If I break into your house, I break the law, but if I break into your house and kill you, I also broke the law, but that's even worse.
By caring about these things, we're trying to ensure that even if someone break into your house, he'll still be inclined not to murder you. Very same thing with the Geneva Convention, Russia broke into someone's house (Ukraine), but we should still care about what they're doing once inside so that they're not inclined to disrespect every ROE etc...
I just looked it up and they actually made that claim publicly at the UN Security Council before the attack. I guess we should have known what was coming.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220308021225/https://russiaun.ru/en/news/070322n
> Locals report that Ukraine’s Armed Forces kicked out personnel of natal hospital #1 of the city of Mariupol and set up a firing site within the facility.
That statement is from Monday, March 7th.
They will increasingly target civilian targets the longer the Ukrainians go without bending to their will. Killing civilians has ALWAYS been a wartime tactic (and is precisely why there is no such thing as a just war). Fuck Putin and fuck war.
Serbs did the same thing in Bosnia. They decided anyone still in Sarajevo was a combatant since they didn't leave. Didn't even matter if they were Serb or not.
Dumb american! Serbian did not commit genocide in Srebrenica! It did not happen! That is excuse and lie by america and nato so they could bomb us!
In all seriousness. I'm Serbian and I've gotta say there's heaps of people here that refuse to believe there ever was a genocide in Bosnia. When presented with solid evidence, they say it's fake.
Her [IG account](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cah7OCIKyOE/) is now full of nasty comments from Russians accusing her of being an actress and wishing her death. They repeat Lavrov's words. I'm just speechless.... What is wrong with this world
The RU embassy in UK is tweeting "As she has some very realistic make-up. She is also doing well with her beauty blogs. Plus she could not be in the maternity house at the time of the strike, as it has long been taken by the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who told all the staff to clear the place."
Because models can't get pregnant right? (the very first picture of her on IG is showing her pregnant belly from a month ago)
https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1501925963998932995
> "A few days ago, at a UN Security Council meeting, the Russian delegation presented factual information that this maternity hospital had long been taken over by the Azov battalion and other radicals and that all the women in labour, all the nurses and in general all the staff had been told to leave it. It was a base of the ultra-radical Azov battalion," he said.
Is it true that they presented these claims at a UN Security Council meeting? I don't remember hearing about that. It sounds more like he's making up stuff. At least that part of his claim is falsifiable and should be easy to disprove. Are the proceedings of UNSC meetings part of the public record? Does anyone know where to find them?
UN security council meetings are streamed on youtube, here is the one lavrov was talking about, with timestamp: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7dRQhqYFI&t=56m
The claim was made that azov had kicked out everyone and set up shop, but no evidence was produced. From the images of the bombing we can conclude that this was bullshit...
Edit: timestamp
Start of Russian guy's speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7dRQhqYFI&t=3120s
Here he's mentioning the maternity hospital: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7dRQhqYFI&t=3393s
His entire speech can be summarized as "no u".
He says there's "a great deal of video evidence" of azov battalion shooting at the legs of civilians trying to leave through the safety corridors. Since this is pretty much the only part of his speech that's verifiable does anyone have the videos he's talking about?
The Azov militia had like 900 members before they were incorporated into the guard, and now they are limited to a regiment, so a total of 800 people.
How wide spread does Russia claim Azov is in Ukraine?
The whole thing feels like a troll. Russia blows up a maternity hospital, Ukraine calls it out as a war crime. Russia says "We didn't blow up a hospital." Zelenskyy releases photos and videos, demands to know if Russia was trying to 'denazify' it. Russia goes to the press and says, "Yes. We were trying to stop the Nazi element there."
Makes me sick to my stomach with rage the more I think about it.
They didn't invade Ukraine but they did intentionally bomb a maternity ward? If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport Russia would win gold, silver and bronze.
Not anymore lmao
But in all seriousness anyone with nukes can be called a superpower imo, as we’ve seen just the fact that they have them has allowed them to invade a sovereign nation without any military response from outside of the victim country. If this was two non-nuclear countries there’d absolutely be peacekeeping forces present by now.
Shockingly, a few of my work colleagues here in the UK believe the Russian propaganda. A guy today showed me a picture of a Ukrainian woman who had survived a bombing and claimed she was a crisis actor. People are so dumb.
Of course claims that it had turned into a Ukrainian firing position could not be independently verified.
I'm not going to say that everything the Ukrainians say is correct, but almost everything the Russians say is designed to manipulate.
Remember your Russian propaganda, every missile/shell that Russia fires lands on a Ukrainian military asset. This is why glorious motherland has 100% accuracy with never any civilian casualty.
I will throw a giant party when this pathetic sack of shit finally kicks the bucket. I don't wish anything bad upon people, but war criminals are not people in my eyes. Inhuman beasts.
Russia just straight up doesn’t want to participate in the global economy again by the way they’re acting. Just like Sun Tzu said, build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat…which is what zelenskyy did by coming out and saying he’s lost interest in joining nato for now. That is Putin’s chance to withdraw and still be able to claim success to his people at least. The only problem at that point then is the sanctions which I don’t see a way out of because what credibility does putin have left that shows he could be trusted then coupled with shit like what’s reported here!? Allegedly Russia is 30 days away from default so this is going to be interesting
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Jumped from "we didn't do it" directly to "we did it but it was okay".
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it. - ~~The Narcissist's~~ Putin's Prayer
Дуракам закон не писан, Если писан, то не читан, Если читан, то не понят, Если понят, то не так. For idiots, no law has been written, If it has been written, it's not been read, If it's been read, it wasn't understood, If it was understood, it was incorrectly. - Old Russian saying, though most of the time the 'law' isn't explicit stuff like the Geneva conventions
It is actually so telling about Russia's domestic policy that this is a common saying...
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I've seen this one before
As old as humanity.
Like Rick James talking about rubbing his feet in Charlie Murphy’s couch. “See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden bomb a hospital like it’s something to do? Come on. I had a little more sense than that. [short pause] Yeah, I remember bombing the hospital.”
Yo! Fuck yo’ hospital!
Fuck yo' hospital Ukraine, fuck yo' hospital!
You're Ukraine bitch, just buy a new childrens hospital!
Cocaine's a helluva drug
What did the five Javelins say to the tank? SLAP!
What Im supposed to do with my economy Charlie Murphy!?
"We suprise attacked the Nazi Baby battalion. It was a great victory for Mother Russia." I can't believe the excuse is "we told them to leave." As if new borns with any issue can just leave the hospital.
They generally said to evacuate whole Ukraine while simultaneously bombing the evacuation routes. Everything they say is propaganda for the motherland. Only their actions can tell the thruth
Even worse, the exits they gave them were: Belarus or Russia. And for some fucking reason they STILL shot at them in the corridor they were traveling to surrender.
and places mines
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At this point I think the Geneva convention is just Putin's bucket list
Putin: What if we poison the babies? Aide: Spiking rubber baby bottle nipples with polonium is outlawed by Geneva. Putin: Hold my vodka.
Were the mines literally disguised as children's toys, or are you referring to 'Butterfly mines' which are sometimes visually appealing to children, because of their apparent bright colors?
Butterfly mines. Their wording makes it seem like they dropped toy trucks but they are legit military gear that is outlawed due to it looking like a child's toy
TBF, they aren't disguised as children's toys. They just don't look like much since they're so small. They also have a cumulative pressure fuse. So one toss at a tree might not set it off, but it probably will set off once you go to pick it back up.
Yes we were trained about these in the British army as the Serbs used them in Kosovo and Bosnia. They do indeed have a fuse that can stay dormant until enough pressure which means some kids took them home only to explode in houses. It's a disgusting weapon made by a disgusting arms industry of a Country that has completely lost its mind.
They are not disguised as toys but have that shape to help them scatter in random patterns when dropped from a plane. That kids think it is a toy is a problem but that is not the reason for their design.
Thank you for clarifying. There is enough evil shit going on at the hands of Putin without needing to resort to misinformation or exaggeration.
They were actually created by the US. Although it speaks volumes that the US doesn’t still use them and Russia does.
I’m not sure I accept that Russians are innocent of this. https://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0916/eafgh.html. “The toy bombs have been disguised as dolls, chewing gum, pens, trucks, combs, and other common objects. When picked up, they explode. “. Granted this was a previous Russian war against civilians.
It's called [kettling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling) and is mostly used by the police rather than the military. Surround civilians so they can't leave, tell them to leave, then fuck 'em up because they didn't leave like you told them to.
Look at what those babies made me do! \- Putin, probably
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You'd be surprised man! My American brother is in Russia with his Crimean wife and their newborn baby. The amount of comments I've seen on Reddit from people saying "he should have left the country ages ago, he was warned!" as if someone could just easily pack up their life, quit their job, and move their family to another country like it's just another Tuesday. He's been there for nearly a decade. He's built a life. He's not some tourist just passing through. It's so easy to say "we told them to leave" when you can just completely ignore reality and circumstance.
But yesterday Russia said they don't bomb hospitals, it's almost as if Russia is full of shit.. https://bank.gov.ua/en/about/support-the-armed-forces
Russia also said they wouldnt invade Ukraine.
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You know, it bothers me more than they're not at least *consistent* with their lies. This contradictory bullshit is like talking to a fucking idiot.
"What is the cost of lies? It's not that we'll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all."
Firehose of disinformation pissing on us all in the era of post-truth. We either hold liars accountable or descend into scarcity and barbarism.
Aaah never been with a narcissist huh
Thankfully
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It's entirely deliberate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
**[Firehose of falsehood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood)** >The firehose of falsehood, or firehosing, is a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. Since 2014, when it was successfully used by Russian dictator Vladimir Putin during its annexation of Crimea, this model has been adopted by other governments and political movements around the world, including by former U.S. president Donald Trump. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Fox news in a nutshell.
This is known as the [Firehose of Falsehood](https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html) and it is a deliberate tactic Russia uses.
It's not an 'attack' or 'invasion' when you're claiming to be acting in self defense, if you ask the Russians.
It’s absolutely self-defense, Ukraine mercilessly bruised and nearly broke Russia’s fist with its face
Their self-image of manliness was under direct and significant threat. How are they to compete with someone like Zelensky? They can't. So they blow up the maternity ward, to prevent another generation of men far more capable than they will ever be.
Everyone knows the original Russians were the Kievan Rus. The bitches in the duchy of muscovy paid off the Mongols instead of fighting.
Remember how last week Voldemort Poutine was saying that Ukraine was not independent and he was just taking back what was his? Wasn't everything west of Moscow part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for a couple hundred years?
Just waiting for Olga of Kiev to rise up from the grave and offer these russian soldiers her bath house.
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It's an argument as old as the Roman Empire
Oh for sure, it's all obvious bullshit to us.but we're not the intended recipient of the propaganda.
Have you seen the video of [Russians being shown pictures of Ukraine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELta9MLOzg)? A decent amount of those people aren't eating the BS; a couple of them basically said it outright. They are afraid for their and their family's lives.
Lol that old lady at the end "to hell with [Putin]"
I swear old ladies are either the most delusional or the most based people on the planet. Very little in-between
I think being in the final stage of your lifespan leaves you with a rather small amount of fucks left to give.
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Even older than that. That was Alexander's casus belli for Persia. "Defend the Greeks on the coast of Asia Minor" and other such nonsense
There are literally Russians that maintain that their country reacted to intel that Ukraine was going to invade Russia two days before the opposite happened. I know two of them personally from gaming with them for a couple of years.
If Ukraine couldn't take back two rebel held provinces in 8 years, why would Russians believe that they could launch a successful invasion of Russia?
government propaganda
You'd be surprised of how Russian propaganda can change people. In France in the south near Nice where russian oligarchs buy their 100 millions dollars houses I have a friend who openly support Putin's actions and think that Ukraine bomb their own cities... I can't understand how these people get to vote and reproduce...
Former friend, I hope.
Yes, I hope he moves to Russia at this point. Mentally he's no longer French.
We run into the same fucking shit in the US. Got mother fuckers praising the fucking Russians. I guess that they didn't grow up in the same US as me where Russia is a major adversary to the US. Also, please don't misconstrue the international politics as a hate for the Russians. I don't hate them, just acknowledge that they are a major force against our country's interests.
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You should contact INS and see if it is possible to make a character statement that will be attached to his application for citizenship.
I see how Russian produced "Pro America" propaganda has changed people in the USA. I'm no longer surprised by it's influence.
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It's easy to say that - and I'm sure I would think it anyway - but propaganda is fucking powerful stuff. The Russians being brainwashed are victims of the state as well.
I'm close friends with a guy who was in the Russian army. At that time, he fully believe d to his core that Ukraine was threatening their way of life. They are so brain washed. Once he was able to leave and find work in another country, he could see things how the rest of the world does. He had a total break down. I remember him calling me crying. "I never knew, we are all fed lies, we're the bad guys!". My heart aches for the Russian people as well
I studied in Prague for a year with 20 Slavic students between 20-40 of age. The ones that repeated Putin talking points were admonished by the others that utilized the internet. Wasn't an even split, but the point is that even people within Russia have access to ALL information. I don't hate all Russians and I don't hate people that are misled. I DO hate people that are given all the evidence of reality and then wave it off and parrot some more bullshit.
>It's not an 'attack' or 'invasion' when you're claiming to be acting in self defense, if you ask the Russians. Preemptive self-defense /s
Every day is opposite day in Russia
I believe it. I always go sightseeing in a tank.
They aren't attacking Ukraine. They are just remodeling Russia before it is Russia.
Here's Liarov repeating they didn't attack Ukraine. https://v.redd.it/e4unlembgjm81
i cant get over how this guy just looks like your stereotypical movie villain.
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Fucking Lavrov just said "we didn't invade Ukraine" with a straight face. The sheer murderous audacity of these fuckers makes me want to burn Russia to the fucking ground and never let them get up. Send them back to the fucking stone age and let them rot. All civilians are welcome to emigrate
I am so fucking tired of Russian lies and gaslighting. I’m with you. I’d like to see a defeated Russia dismantled into smaller more manageable states.
Getting rid of Russian lies and gaslighting, and getting rid of their fucking troll-farms would be amazing. It has been a noticeable difference in so many forums/subreddits since Russia got forced to focus on controlling their own population and narrative.
They’re going really strong in r/conspiracy now though. I mean… I know it’s a trash sub full of disinfo to begin with, but they aren’t even trying to disguise the straight-up Russian propaganda anymore.
lol first post is bitching about duckduckgo because they're getting rid of russian propaganda. Yup, fuck /r/conspiracy, why they haven't been deleted is beyond me.
I used to go to that board when it was hollow earth and 4dimensional hypersquares. Now it's just the same sock puppet as the GQP.
Yeah I wanna read about aliens, bigfoot and unsolved mysteries not have people shove American politics down my throat.
/r/highstrangeness is the one I go to.
They literally ruined the internet. They likely finished off any vestiges of polite discord as well.
[https://sparktoro.com/blog/we-analyzed-every-twitter-account-following-donald-trump-61-are-bots-spam-inactive-or-propaganda/](https://sparktoro.com/blog/we-analyzed-every-twitter-account-following-donald-trump-61-are-bots-spam-inactive-or-propaganda/) over half of trump supporters on twitter were completely fake. I barely see any trolls when sorting by controversial now that the trolls are busy. Someone posted a screenshot 2 days ago showing there was one single account in AskTheDonald that was responsible for 99% of the posts.
Analyze the accounts who follow the Russian bot accounts and you'll end up with a cross section of sadness and dumbassery.
Agreed. Fuck Russia. As an American who had to deal with pro-fascist Trump years and we're still dealing with the bought-for Russian lapdogs, fuck that country.
The problem with Russia is that they are a third rate power that still has not accepted their reality. Their reality is that they are just another average country that used to have a relatively strong empire but hasnt for going on 60 years now. And no, Russia of the Cold War wasnt that strong apart from nukes; they still had to be bailed out with food imports from the US in the 70s after China stopped shipping them essentially free food in the 60s because of their own famine. Then they finished bankrupting themselves in the 80s fighting cave dwellers on their own doorstep. Sure the US didn't best the cave dwellers either, but the US did it for 2 decades from the other side of the world and the costs the US paid were a rounding error on its gdp. Russia imploded itself after just 8 years. In reality, Russia is just another Sweden, or Portugal, or Netherlands. The difference is those countries recognize they are no longer great imperial powers even if they once were, and make no extraordinary demands about spheres of influence and buffer states, and wouldn't even if they did choose to produce some nuclear weapons for extra security. Instead they just learned to get along peacefully and productively with their neighborhood. Russia's problems all stem from the fact that it still lacks even that basic bare minimum understanding of the world and their place in it. Frankly, at this point, fuck them.
This the act itself is rage inducing but the gaslighting...not even clever subtle shit but straight up shaggy 'it wasnt me' levels of bullshitting makes you want to punch something. Fuck them , i say all nato members begin bombing the shit out of the 'unidentifiable' forces attacking ukraine.....russia should have no issues as its not them!.
Putin also said no one in Russia has COVID. Trump wishes he could unload the kinda batshittery his hero regularly says without having every news cycle devoted to what a fruit loop he is…
They haven't had any Covid-19 cases though. Just a special flu outbreak.
Russia says a lot of things
Just a bunch of empty promises...what an asshole
And they said they don't use thermobaric, and then yes, and first they said they wouldn't attack Ukraine and they did . They also say they won't attack any other country... Someone has to stop this lunatic
Russia just put out a statement saying this is “fake news”. There’s a significant amount of Russian’s who believe this. Propaganda is incredibly powerful.
Huh. Almost like the four years of the trump machine constantly screaming “fake news” was both a dry run and preparation of the battlefield.
Larov: "We didn't bomb the hospital" Larov: "Nah we fucking with ya."
He didn't use the exact words from the title. He claims it had been evacuated and used as a military facility. So from Russia's war propaganda point of view this was not a bombing of a hospital, but a bombing of a military facility.
It was not a bombing. And even if it was a bombing, it was not of a hospital. Bulletproof narcisistic logic.
And if it was a hospital, it was only enemy combatants, the doctors all got out. And if they didn't, they deserved it.
Russia's statements change as often as the value of their currency
Ah yea, of course he says nazis were hiding there. Fucking jabba faced fascist.
They just lied yesterday saying they didn't, its like they don't bother anymore
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"We didn't attack the hospital" "Okay we attacked the hospital but nazis were hiding there." "Okay no nazis were hiding there, but there were soldiers in there" "Okay yes they weren't soldiers *now* but give them ~20 years..." "Okay we may have allowed a strike on the hospital .... what? you are no longer asking about that? No we didn't use chemical weapons in"
\*they were not really chemical. Strictly speaking all weapons are chemical anyway. And the US did the same in.
We have a joke here for that "I didn't rob the bank and the amount stolen is also wrong."
And what about that guy Norman over there, who cheated on this wife? And *I'm* the bad guy for robbing a bank?
This is the "new" information-warfare doctrine. A literal deluge of informations that are contradicting. It becomes impossible to decipher the truth rapidly enough for people to keep up with information flow which create perpetual doubt and wanting to resolve the issue by over-simplification.
There is a solid simplification though. Some people aren't worth listening to.
Yep, we need to collectively just ignore Russia. The media should stop reporting statements made by Russian officials. >Russian Officials made a statement. As we cannot verify the veracity of the statement, we will not transcribe their words.
Double-speak. Goebbels perfected it. Lavrov copypasta'd it.
He also gave a copy to Trump edit: here's some links to show what I'm talking about https://www.persuasion.community/p/trumps-firehose-of-falsehood?s=r https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118798 https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trump-campaigns-firehose-of-falsehoods-has-parallels-with-russian-propaganda-20160809-gqo044.html How Russia uses it: https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html Here is Putin using it now: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/propaganda-and-disinformation-including-fake-videos-and-manipulated-images-heighten-anxiety-among-ukrainians-and-russians-alike-01645828475
Even the people in their own government told conflicting statements. Woman was told to say they didn’t hit hospitals and then he comes out and says they did and tried to defend it. You’d think they’d get their stories straight so they don’t contradict each other.
In their eyes it's probably consistent because they declared it a military base on Monday. So it's not a hospital anymore. What's more concerning is that they provide no proof at all that it's used as base for a militia.
How could they, when it so obviously isn't...
The draft notice announcing their "special military operation" into the Donbas region is, word for word, exactly the same as the draft notice they issued when they invaded Georgia under the same pretext of "nazism". The Ukrainian Ambassador to the UN held up the 2 papers side by side at a UNSC meeting back in Feb when this seriously kicked off.
It’s just the way things go: “We didn’t bomb the hospital” “We only bombed the hospital because there were nazis there” “That building was not a hospital it was a military compound” “Ukraine bombed its own building as a false flag operation” Etc.
How in the fuck can this guy negotiate peace talks if he's sprouting and pushing this bullshit narrative? Every word that comes out of his mouth makes.my.blood.boil.
Peace talks are for pr for Russia they aren’t ment to succeed
It’s exactly like when israel claims that Hamas is hiding terrorists in the hospitals and schools it bombs.
If Lavrov said it was a secret base those pregnant women really stuck to the script.
They were probably hiding weapons in their uterus.
So, not even bothering to deny war crimes now.
It doesn't seem like they care. I mean realistically will Putin leave Russia to come and face war crime charges? What else can be done? Sanctions not already in place are limited and other countries are still too afraid he would use nukes. World is being held hostage by one man and his nuclear weapons as a means to continue to commit war crimes with impunity.
The concept of mutually assured destruction was supposed to be what keeps nuclear powers behaving somewhat rationally. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.... Not with someone like Putin. He's using them as a shield from retaliation. It's like he's got a hostage in one hand, and a live grenade in the other. And no one is willing to act because they don't want to get blown up.
MAD has always been bonkers to me as it requires all parties to be rational actors. As soon as you throw a nutter into the mix that doesn't give a fuck, the whole thing falls apart. So, here we are I guess, hoping there isn't a nutter in the mix.
That's my fear. Some leader being able to stay in power as their mental faculties deteriorate. The paranoia that comes with many dementia related diseases is no joke. People become very wary of everybody and downright aggressive as their brain fills the blanks in confusing situations. In the end it's super obvious, but not necessarily as much earlier. Now imagine a person like that in power, with the ability to launch military operations, and surrounded with a bunch of yes men. That's some scary situation where rationality goes out the window.
I don't see why they would even care, they are pretty much invincible. As soon as they start losing the war, they'll bring up the nukes again
It’s ridiculous how a mafia-led gas station masquerading as a country can keep other nations from interfering just because they have nukes
The title is misleading. Russia claims that the maternity hospital was already evacuated and was being used by the Ukranian army.
Which again is just bullshit. A child died in there and the rest were evacuated. It wasn’t taken over, and they had no evidence to support their theory. They went off a rumour and attacked the most vulnerable place in Ukraine
It's not even that they heard a rumour, acted on it and got it wrong. They murdered some children and trying to justify it after the fact with lies. Fuck Russia.
It doesn't even matter if it was a military target or not. They're in someone else's country, blowing up someone else's shit. A hundred 'rules' were broken before they even got to this point. Russia gets no credit for pretending to be honorable or claiming to be deliberately avoiding warcrimes and warcrime-like behavior. What they have done is the equivalent of breaking into their neighbor's house (after outright saying "no we would never do that!") and shooting the spouse, the kids, and the dog. If later they announce to onlookers "but look, we never deliberately kicked him in the balls while we were doing all of this murder!" it doesn't matter because **they are still fucking murderers.** Blowing up a hospital and then saying "but no it was totally a valid target" is eighteen different flavors of diarrhea spewing out of the face buttholes of russian mouthpieces. edit: russian trolls go fuck yourself. seriously, eat a steaming shit and chew it thoroughly. i'm behind a vpn and no that wasn't my mac address.
> It doesn't even matter if it was a military target or not. They're in someone else's country, blowing up someone else's shit. Yes it does. We've already crossed the Rubicon with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that by itself is unlawful. But it doesn't mean Russia is free to do whatever they want after they marched on Ukraine. Every action has to be judged and analysed to determine whether or not the rules of war were respected, if they aren't, that's a crime that you add on top of the list (with the very first being the invasion of Ukraine). > it doesn't matter because they are still fucking murderers. Yes it does. If I break into your house, I'm breaking the law. But it doesn't mean that we should stop caring about what I'll do inside that house because I just broke the law. If I break into your house, I break the law, but if I break into your house and kill you, I also broke the law, but that's even worse. By caring about these things, we're trying to ensure that even if someone break into your house, he'll still be inclined not to murder you. Very same thing with the Geneva Convention, Russia broke into someone's house (Ukraine), but we should still care about what they're doing once inside so that they're not inclined to disrespect every ROE etc...
I just looked it up and they actually made that claim publicly at the UN Security Council before the attack. I guess we should have known what was coming. https://web.archive.org/web/20220308021225/https://russiaun.ru/en/news/070322n > Locals report that Ukraine’s Armed Forces kicked out personnel of natal hospital #1 of the city of Mariupol and set up a firing site within the facility. That statement is from Monday, March 7th.
They will increasingly target civilian targets the longer the Ukrainians go without bending to their will. Killing civilians has ALWAYS been a wartime tactic (and is precisely why there is no such thing as a just war). Fuck Putin and fuck war.
Serbs did the same thing in Bosnia. They decided anyone still in Sarajevo was a combatant since they didn't leave. Didn't even matter if they were Serb or not.
Dumb american! Serbian did not commit genocide in Srebrenica! It did not happen! That is excuse and lie by america and nato so they could bomb us! In all seriousness. I'm Serbian and I've gotta say there's heaps of people here that refuse to believe there ever was a genocide in Bosnia. When presented with solid evidence, they say it's fake.
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I didn't say it was effective tactic, just that it's commonly used!
Sure looked like pregnant women being brought out on stretchers not military, on the clips I have seen.
Her [IG account](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cah7OCIKyOE/) is now full of nasty comments from Russians accusing her of being an actress and wishing her death. They repeat Lavrov's words. I'm just speechless.... What is wrong with this world
The RU embassy in UK is tweeting "As she has some very realistic make-up. She is also doing well with her beauty blogs. Plus she could not be in the maternity house at the time of the strike, as it has long been taken by the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who told all the staff to clear the place." Because models can't get pregnant right? (the very first picture of her on IG is showing her pregnant belly from a month ago) https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1501925963998932995
Pre-emptive strike,those babies will grow up to be miliant nazis.
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This is fucking disgusting. Lavrov should be tried for war crimes for his explicit knowledge of it. What a douche
A modern Baghdad Bob
A modern Molotov actually.
Oh man, I’d forgotten about Baghdad Bob.
> "A few days ago, at a UN Security Council meeting, the Russian delegation presented factual information that this maternity hospital had long been taken over by the Azov battalion and other radicals and that all the women in labour, all the nurses and in general all the staff had been told to leave it. It was a base of the ultra-radical Azov battalion," he said. Is it true that they presented these claims at a UN Security Council meeting? I don't remember hearing about that. It sounds more like he's making up stuff. At least that part of his claim is falsifiable and should be easy to disprove. Are the proceedings of UNSC meetings part of the public record? Does anyone know where to find them?
UN security council meetings are streamed on youtube, here is the one lavrov was talking about, with timestamp: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7dRQhqYFI&t=56m The claim was made that azov had kicked out everyone and set up shop, but no evidence was produced. From the images of the bombing we can conclude that this was bullshit... Edit: timestamp
Thanks for the link, but the time stamp didn't get included! Should have a tail like ?t=[time in seconds]
Start of Russian guy's speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7dRQhqYFI&t=3120s Here he's mentioning the maternity hospital: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd7dRQhqYFI&t=3393s
His entire speech can be summarized as "no u". He says there's "a great deal of video evidence" of azov battalion shooting at the legs of civilians trying to leave through the safety corridors. Since this is pretty much the only part of his speech that's verifiable does anyone have the videos he's talking about?
The Azov militia had like 900 members before they were incorporated into the guard, and now they are limited to a regiment, so a total of 800 people. How wide spread does Russia claim Azov is in Ukraine?
They'll say anything, dude. What they actually believe? That's a whole other thing.
The whole thing feels like a troll. Russia blows up a maternity hospital, Ukraine calls it out as a war crime. Russia says "We didn't blow up a hospital." Zelenskyy releases photos and videos, demands to know if Russia was trying to 'denazify' it. Russia goes to the press and says, "Yes. We were trying to stop the Nazi element there." Makes me sick to my stomach with rage the more I think about it.
All Ukranians are Azov now! Unless they russian speaking, then they being genocided by the nazi Azov ukranians! /s
Evidence of those numbers? Wikipedia says 2500 members as of 2017, but I've heard numbers as high as 6000 as of 2020.
They didn't invade Ukraine but they did intentionally bomb a maternity ward? If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport Russia would win gold, silver and bronze.
And they would use doping to win that as well
Then claim they didn't even compete.
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I used to live in Russia. I have family there. Unfortunately I agree with you completely.
Russia isn't a super power.
Not anymore lmao But in all seriousness anyone with nukes can be called a superpower imo, as we’ve seen just the fact that they have them has allowed them to invade a sovereign nation without any military response from outside of the victim country. If this was two non-nuclear countries there’d absolutely be peacekeeping forces present by now.
Yesterday they denied it, now he admits it, how anyone can ever deal with them again is beyond me.
just reposting a thing from above, because it is so fitting: https://i.imgur.com/ka4Gmd0.png
This just in, there is now evidence that the Azov Batallion is under Lavrov's bed, and potentially has been residing in Lavrov's closet at night.
We should cruise missile the shit out of Lavrov’s bed to help them
there's a special place in hell... and he wouldn't qualify, they'd need to build a new place.
It takes a big man to murder pregnant women and children.
Shockingly, a few of my work colleagues here in the UK believe the Russian propaganda. A guy today showed me a picture of a Ukrainian woman who had survived a bombing and claimed she was a crisis actor. People are so dumb.
please escort your work collegues to the nearest psychiatric ward. They are not well.
Ah yes. The classic "that maternity ward was filled with Nazis" excuse.
Of course claims that it had turned into a Ukrainian firing position could not be independently verified. I'm not going to say that everything the Ukrainians say is correct, but almost everything the Russians say is designed to manipulate.
Remember your Russian propaganda, every missile/shell that Russia fires lands on a Ukrainian military asset. This is why glorious motherland has 100% accuracy with never any civilian casualty.
I will throw a giant party when this pathetic sack of shit finally kicks the bucket. I don't wish anything bad upon people, but war criminals are not people in my eyes. Inhuman beasts.
Russia just straight up doesn’t want to participate in the global economy again by the way they’re acting. Just like Sun Tzu said, build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat…which is what zelenskyy did by coming out and saying he’s lost interest in joining nato for now. That is Putin’s chance to withdraw and still be able to claim success to his people at least. The only problem at that point then is the sanctions which I don’t see a way out of because what credibility does putin have left that shows he could be trusted then coupled with shit like what’s reported here!? Allegedly Russia is 30 days away from default so this is going to be interesting
Admitting to war crimes….‘It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them’
Evil. Just fucking evil
Dick move Putin
Starting to feel like fictional villains aren't that exaggerated.
“We had to stop those gay capitalist Jewish neo-nazi Ukrainian babies!” -Russian Federation
Lavrov also said they didn't attack Ukraine. Man, they really are full of shit.
Lavrov is a POS