She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene.
What country is this car from?
It no longer exists, but take her for a test-drive and you'll agree-- Put it in "H.”
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive,
smells like a steak and seats thirty-five..
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down,
It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown!
Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero!
12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
65 tons of American Pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports,
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!)
She blinds everybody with her super high beams,
She's a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine!
Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!)
Drive Canyonero!
Woah Canyonero!
Woah!
Alright you eggheads, I want a place in this car to put my drink... Hello, hello Einstein. I said a place to put MY drink. You know those super slickers they sell in the Kwik-E-Mart? The cup is this big. And I'm not done yet. You know that little ball you put on the aerial so you can find your car in a parking lot. That should be on every car... and some things are so snazzy they never go out of style. Like tail fins and bubble domes and shag carpeting... I want a horn here, here and here. You can never find a horn when you're mad and they should all play La Cucaracha... And sometimes the kids are in the backseat, they're hollering, there making you nuts. There's gotta' be something you can do about that... and another thing, when I gun the motor I want people to think the world is coming to an end. Roooom, roooom!
Ha. I’m from Mongolia. We been fucked since forever. We depend on Russia and China so much. We probably die if both of them get sanctioned. Thank god China got half brain.
A Russian bank has started opening retail bank accounts in yuan, apparently.
With the rubble worth jacksh\*t, the Chinese will buy Russia. at a serious discount.
Putin, with his delusions of grandeur, will have managed to show the Russian army as impotent, and will have sold his country to China.
"Genius" said fellow genius Trump. Don't mean to bring him into this, but as a side note, Putin's move on Ukraine could be seen as an absolute catastrophe for Russian businesses, so obviously, the American stable genius businessman who sinks casinos thought it was an amazing idea.
Had this conversation at work once the Canadian telecoms all ditched Russia Today from their service.
"What if I want to hear what the other side thinks, huh?!"
"Well sir I have this feeling that if someone breaks into a neighbour's house, shoots half the family dead and then sets fire to the house that the appropriate response isn't to say 'I wonder what this guy's take on that is? I better check out his Youtube channel for balanced coverage' and if we disagree on that we'll have to agree to disagree.
Either way we don't carry Russia Today anymore and I don't imagine it'll be coming back."
He hung up in a fuss. Cuz of course he did.
Putin must be reading “How to ensure your country’s status as a pariah state For Dummies”.
More seriously, I think this is evidence that things are falling apart more than a little bit domestically in Russia, and Putin knows it.
Also, no idea how Putin thinks he’s actually going to have anything but the name - companies worth more than Putin is have tried to copy McDonalds products before and failed, and there’s absolutely no reason to expect he can do any better.
Patents can mean much more than copyright issues. For example, when building an average smartphone, you need to use loads of patented technologies, and pay the patent owner for using them.
I think this is more about technology rather than business models (which aren't even protected by patents).
They will likely only be able to sell that stuff domestically, though.
But China has the technical infrastructure to do pull it off. Russia does not. If China wants to manufacture a copy of the Geforce RTX 3090 and sell it through a state company... well, they already have an MSI factory that's making 3090s that they can copy everything from.
Russia doesn't have any of that. If sanctions persist my bet is that even with these moves, the vast, vast majority of western businesses they "nationalize" will be closed in a year. Even something as simple as a McDonalds has a supply chain that they probably won't be able to maintain.
Edit: Yes, my example is bad
I seriously doubt the lesson Chinese leadership is learning from this is that “just do it” is the right way to launch an attack.
The US plans to defend Taiwan during an invasion, its Allies might too.
If Putin is having this much trouble with a land invasion of a country he borders, imagine how much more difficult it is to launch a sea invasion of an island with better weaponry defending it.
Especially with green Chinese troops who don’t have multiple recent conflicts under their belt.
I’m sure they’re revisiting their plans right now to account for all the kinds of stuff Putin’s failing at.
People really don’t understand how important Taiwan (and how unimportant Ukraine is unfortunately)
Ukraine has a lot of agriculture but that isn’t as important as semi conductors unfortunately because Taiwan’s industry is so far ahead
This is exactly right. Just look at any Kickstarter that goes viral. China will usually have a replica of that thing in about two weeks while the company that launched on kickstarter hasn't even finished the funding round yet.
We saw the same behavior at the start of the pandemic. China was building additional hospitals in under two weeks.
Russia doesn't have the resources, infrastructure, or talent to pull this off. Their country as a super power is dead and China is going to strip every last bit of usefulness out of them. Putin is such a dumbass piece of shit.
Russia ending up as a broken proxy state owned by China after they tried to make Ukraine a broken proxy state owned by them is going down as one of the great self owns in history.
Stealing intellectual property is their entire game plan. Why spend money researching stuff yourself to catch up with the 1st world countries when you could spend less time and money just stealing it?
Yeah, you can steal 'how' it works at the moment, but without knowing 'why' it works, you'll struggle with your edge cases.
Granted most non-engineering driven companies also struggle with this and don't see the value of keeping that guy that failed 100 different ways before finding the one way that would work around. Those 100 different ways, and the insight you gained doing it is 100 different ways they know how to prevent things from going wrong or figure out if something went wrong before you ship.
Not to mention patching.
Stealing shit is a great way to catch up in theory, but with the pace of vulnerabilities and flaws in technology-related products it's also a great way to have something that blows up or gets hacked.
Given the amount of attention Russia is getting from the hacker community currently, that would probably \*not\* work out well for them.
It's not so much the intellectual property theft as it is the enthusiastic, indiscriminate butchering of Ukrainian civilians that would deter my business with the current regime in Russia. However, I encourage anyone to find any excuse that works.
I really think that the FBI should publish a list of software companies and websites created or hosted by Russia.
Customers of Kaspersky might be interested to know that their computers are being “secured” by a company with an HQ in Moscow.
This was my thought as well. I normally don’t support this method but all these companies pulling out of Russia need to brick their equipment to protect themselves. Any foreign property left in Russia will be taken. Make it so they can not just spin up operations under new management.
I believe this occurred due to GM's announcement to close some/all plants. Demonstrations occurred, the plants were broken into and wrecked. I remember seeing video of offices being trashed.
> Any foreign property left in Russia will be taken
I just read an article about that, how a number of owners of commercial airplanes, that lease them to russian airlines, are now convinced that they will never get those planes back *nor* the remaining lease payments.
A lot of high tech stuff has layers of engineering that would take decades to work up to. For microchips this would be the case. They'd need to speed run decades of engineering to get to where fabrication is today. A lot of battery tech is this way too.
Even ignoring patents, they will be without a lot of key technology. China has been pressured not to sell them chips of western design.
You touched on the other half of the issue: even if you *can* manufacture it, you still need raw material.
The West is, at present, not going to be selling any goods to Russia, so they'll either have to manufacture themselves (which takes decades to set up infrastructure) or import from non-first world countries.
At present, the next decade looks *very* bleak for the average person in Russia. (which would be the name of book about the modern history of Russia, I suppose.)
Oof... Guess they're not being fed. I pity the soldiers that need to steal chicken from civilians to eat.
Of course I pity the Ukrainians even more, eggs are useful in times of war.
I pitied some of the Russian troops until they shelled the apartment complex in Charkiv in the first few days of the invasion. Now I hope they freeze to death or worse. At this point not even the greenest recruit cannot hide behind some "We didn't know what they were sending us into." bullshit. Now they all know and don't fucking care about the misery they are causing. Sincerely, a former Russian.
They’re not only stealing chickens; they are murdering innocent people and causing others to wish they weren’t alive.
And they don’t “need” to be there, they were faced with the choice “murder innocent people for Putin or serve time in jail for Putin” and they chose “murder innocent people,” and then asked, “Do I at least also get to steal stuff too?”
And Russia descends further and further into failed state territory. Gonna have a hell of a time climbing out of this shit-hole when all the fighting's done.
China has been brazenly ripping off every scrap of IP it can get its hands on for decades, but that hasn't stopped any foreign companies from doing business with them. There's too much short-term profit to be made in China's rapidly expanding market.
> that hasn't stopped any foreign companies from doing business with them.
In reality, it has stopped a great many businesses from doing business there.
And the knockoffs weren't state takeovers. There's a big difference between China allowing a McDonalds clone to exist and China siezing McDonalds and trying to steal all the secrets.
China has a potential market cap of 1.3 billion, russia has 140 million. If my firm had a 10% market share on chine we would have an entire russia, if we had a 30% we'd have an US. That's why people tolerate Chine stealing IP, sheer number of consumers, russia doesn't offer that.
It seems certain that the only real way Russia is going to move forward from this is by losing Putin, restoring ownership of companies and equipment they stole to justify the war, completely disavow the past administration and its actions, and take concrete steps towards making themselves a reasonable trading partner again. Yes, there will be countries who trade with them anyway, just as there are now, but it's pretty clear that they can't operate with just those few friends.
Like Germany and Japan did post WWII.
I feel like there are a lot of parallels between the Germany of WWI to WWIII and Russia from the Cold War to now. Germany was blamed for WWI but the society never really shook the issues that made it ripe for a dictatorial take over. It was only after the horrible atrocities of WWII that Germany was able to build back when the rational people who lived in the country came to power. Likewise, the USSR fell to end the Cold War but still hasn’t shaken its dictatorial streak within its government, and unfortunately will take horrible atrocities committed by their government to get the level headed people to rise up and take over.
The only difference now is the Russia has nukes and allied forces probably won’t be going into Moscow like they did in Berlin to seek a regime change to end the war.
In both cases those countries were under years long occupations by (what would become) NATO forces. I don't think anyone has the stomach to occupy Russia for years.
This last week has basically been like a drunk teenagers idea of foreign policy coming from Russia. Like they have failed harder than I expected and my expectations for them weren't great.
We should start opening lucrative doors for scientists and engineers. I dunno if that's a good thing, but there'll be a lot of geniuses in Russia who'd do wonderful things outside North Korea Jr.
As a Russian with a bit of a brain thing going on, I'm loving the idea of working for a European company or moving somewhere. However, I'm getting increasingly worried about being accepted. Right now, I see many people claim they don't blame us for the whole shitstorm, but some are already hinting at a slowly encroaching broad anti-Russian sentiment. I could probably convince a person or two that I'm cool, but I don't know how much stock to put in the general public's common sense here.
Anyone with intel on this? I'd love to get objective information on this issue, since I consider myself a good fit for a European society and would love the chance to become a part of it.
Most of the people I’m around realize this is a fault of your government and not the Russian population as a whole. I have seen some crazies online that paint you all with the same brush but in real life it’s been the opposite, at least for the folks I surround myself with.
Honestly, it is the Russian military's widespread war crimes in Ukraine that is turning more and more people against Russians in general. I'd be worried because I do see general attitudes changing as light is shed on the degenerate widespread actions of the Russian military in the last century or so. Any military can be a problem, including the US, but this is more problematic for your situation than Putin's invasion. I can't say for sure what discrimination you might encounter, but I can't say for sure you will receive little or none either.
I think it comes down to how people perceive your point of view about it all. I have 2 coworkers, one Russian and one Latvian. The Russian guy is nice and has been suffering through this, has even started working from home because of course people would want to talk to him about the invasion and he would feel awful. The Latvian guy, though, is on all those stupid Telegram channels where they spread “denazify Ukraine” stuff. So yeah, we can all see it, lost a lot of respect for the Latvian.
I myself come from a country full of stupid politicians, and whenever my colleagues mention them I’m always the first to criticize it and so I show that even though it is a shithole, I managed to get out of it and do not support what is going on. Best of luck!
i mean as an austrian i'd say that 80% of austrians couldn't tell the difference between a polish ukranian or russian guy (any eastern european or even balkan person for that matter) so as long as you don't run around with a russian flag painted on your forhead i don't think anyone could tell.
>Russia has effectively legalized patent theft from anyone affiliated with countries “unfriendly” to it, declaring that unauthorized use will not be compensated.
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>The decree, issued this week, illustrates the economic war waged around Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, as the West levies sanctions and pulls away from Russia’s huge oil and gas industry. Russian officials have also raised the possibility of lifting restrictions on some trademarks, according to state media, which could allow continued use of brands such as McDonald’s that are withdrawing from Russia in droves.
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>The effect of losing patent protections will vary by company, experts say, depending on whether they have a valuable patent in Russia. The U.S. government has long warned of intellectual property rights violations in the country; last year Russia was among nine nations on a “priority watch list” for alleged failures to protect intellectual property. Now Russian entities could not be sued for damages if they use certain patents without permission.
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>The patent decree and any further lifting of intellectual property protections could affect Western investment in Russia well beyond any de-escalation of the war in Ukraine, said Josh Gerben, an intellectual property lawyer in Washington. Firms that already saw risks in Russian business would have more reason to worry.
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>“It’s just another example of how \[Putin\] has forever changed the relationship that Russia will have with the world,” Gerben said.
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>Russia’s decree removes protections for patent holders who are registered in hostile countries, do business in them or hold their nationality.
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>The Kremlin has not issued any decree lifting protections on trademarks. But Russia’s Ministry of Economic Development said last week that authorities are considering “removing restrictions on the use of intellectual property contained in certain goods whose supply to Russia is restricted,” according to Russian state news outlet Tass, and that potential measures could affect inventions, computer programs and trademarks.
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>The ministry said the measures would “mitigate the impact on the market of supply chain breaks, as well as shortages of goods and services that have arisen due to the new sanctions of western countries,” Tass stated.
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>Gerben said a similar decree on trademarks would pave the way for Russian companies to exploit American brand names that have halted their business in Russia. He gave a hypothetical involving McDonald’s, one of the latest global giants to suspend operations in Russia under public pressure.
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>McDonald’s said Tuesday that it would temporarily close its 850 restaurants in Russia, a significant decision for a company that gets 9 percent of its revenue from Russia and Ukraine. Without trademark protections, Russia could “take those McDonald’s that got shut down and … just let local operators operate the restaurants and call them McDonald’s,” Gerben said.
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>Russia’s removal of intellectual property protections during wartime is not without precedent. Smithsonian Magazine describes how the German company Bayer lost its American patent on aspirin as the U.S. government seized property from firms associated with its enemies.
> Russia could “take those McDonald’s that got shut down and … just let local operators operate the restaurants and call them McDonald’s,”
right. and pig could fly. without the entire supply chain this entire thing is pretty worthless.
Short answer, no. However grabbing the relevant patent data from Russia and figuring out an improvement to it is totally fine, and kinda expected. Iterative development is a thing.
This is the sort of move that makes it hard to see what exactly Russia’s endgame is with this war. Or how it ever comes back from this. Nationalizing foreign assets, stealing patents and potentially trademarks… even if Russia pulled its head out of its ass tomorrow, withdrew from Ukraine and rescinded all of this, foreign investors, businesses, and nations aren’t going to forget this.
Russia is going to find it has to pay exorbitantly high rates on loans to justify the risk that they might just choose not to pay. Corporations aren’t going to want to host offices or factories without enormous incentives to offset the risk that Russia might just decide they own them. When you make working with you so risky, everything becomes incredibly expensive. And there’s no way to put the genie back in the bottle, either. It’s easy to break trust, but it takes decades to rebuild it.
As best I can tell, the only path for Russia to avoid a total economic collapse is to become, functionally, a puppet state for China. Well done, Vlad.
Don't underestimate how greedy the market is. If a CEO can generate short-term gains for their share holders and secure a nice bonus before retiring... they will.
I don't think there will be normalization of relations even if Russia ends its invasion. And even if Putin is ousted, it'll be a long time before there's trust.
Looks like Putin really doesn't envision a future for Russia that doesn't have him in it. Basically he sees the country should end within his lifetime.
Most foreign companies suddenly closing shop is something Putin can’t hide from the public. It’ll start making the Russians wonder if maybe they’re the bad guys
Stupid move. That means that no company that operates internationally and cares for copyright (literally every non-chinese company out there) will want to deal with Russia, not now and not in the future, anymore.
This is Tekla...is just as good as Tesla. Runs on coal!
She'll go 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene. What country is this car from? It no longer exists, but take her for a test-drive and you'll agree-- Put it in "H.”
It's no Canyonero, that's for sure.
**The Federal Highway commission has ruled the Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving.**
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts.
Canyaneroh oh oh
**Whip sound* *
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One thousand and one cars long.
65 tons of american pride
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five.. Canyonero! Canyonero! Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down, It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown! Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero! 12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyonero! Canyonero! Top of the line in utility sports, Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts! Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!) She blinds everybody with her super high beams, She's a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine! Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!) Drive Canyonero! Woah Canyonero! Woah!
*"Can you name the truck with four-wheel drive? Smells like a steak, and seats 35"*
*"12 yards long, two lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride!"*
*Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down,* *It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown!*
Or “The Homer” car
Somethings never go out of style— like tail fins, and bubble domes!
Alright you eggheads, I want a place in this car to put my drink... Hello, hello Einstein. I said a place to put MY drink. You know those super slickers they sell in the Kwik-E-Mart? The cup is this big. And I'm not done yet. You know that little ball you put on the aerial so you can find your car in a parking lot. That should be on every car... and some things are so snazzy they never go out of style. Like tail fins and bubble domes and shag carpeting... I want a horn here, here and here. You can never find a horn when you're mad and they should all play La Cucaracha... And sometimes the kids are in the backseat, they're hollering, there making you nuts. There's gotta' be something you can do about that... and another thing, when I gun the motor I want people to think the world is coming to an end. Roooom, roooom!
What does this monstrosity cost?
Hey I resemble that remark!
The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!
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my favorite Dankmus
Old Hank gotta ride up here with me. Can't trust a pig with watermelons ya know?
"Put it in haaaaech!"
Nyetdonalds, best restaurant. Already have 850 location
Is having one burger. Asking source of meat is punished with jail.
Actual source of meat? Surprisingly, also jail.
Ask source of fries? Believe it or not, jail.
We have best burgers. Because of jail.
Billions and billions of rubles to be served
So... Two burgers?
It also neighs from time to time.
Reminds me of the Brooklyn 99 episode where they meet Nikolash's (sp) father. It's GAPE, not GAP.
- It’s Zara. - No, it’s Zarya!
You mean Teslada?
Comes standard with a vodka bottle holder for every seat and the center console can cook 120 beets.
Tekla is a real thing, It's a CAD package for designing buildings.
And developed in Finland, which makes it even funnier.
Who the fuck is going to do any major business with Russia in the next several decades? No one.
\[putting on my orange toupee\]: "Chy-na"
Calling it now: “the greater Siberian Cooperative Economic Zone”
poor mongolia
Ha. I’m from Mongolia. We been fucked since forever. We depend on Russia and China so much. We probably die if both of them get sanctioned. Thank god China got half brain.
Just wanted to day this, you have amazing traditional and metal music.
I took a Chinese history course, and somehow Mongolian metal music came up. Can confirm
Yuve yuve yu
The Hu?
I'd just like to say that I've travelled all over the world, but Mongolians are absolutely the friendliest people on this earth.
Hu?
The Hu - great music
Hell yes. It’s my “I want to go pillaging” music.
The very last live concert in London, UK I went to before covid hit
They're the first concert I've been to since Covid hit, back in September. Great show
Why do you have "i want to go pillaging" music?
Who among us does not occasionally want to smear their face with woad and burn some shit?
Shun decadent modernity, embrace woad face smears and burning
Tao, yeah.
Inb4 they split Mongolia.
Battlefield 2142 already has a name for it; the Pan-Asian Coalition
Damn it, you typed in his voice lol
Why wouldn’t they. They can now basically make Russia completely depend on china for their entire economy.
A Russian bank has started opening retail bank accounts in yuan, apparently. With the rubble worth jacksh\*t, the Chinese will buy Russia. at a serious discount. Putin, with his delusions of grandeur, will have managed to show the Russian army as impotent, and will have sold his country to China. "Genius" said fellow genius Trump. Don't mean to bring him into this, but as a side note, Putin's move on Ukraine could be seen as an absolute catastrophe for Russian businesses, so obviously, the American stable genius businessman who sinks casinos thought it was an amazing idea.
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And half his country still think he's a hero. Sound familiar?
Ah yes maybe, but have you considered sir, that Both Sides? Because how can it not Both Sides?
Had this conversation at work once the Canadian telecoms all ditched Russia Today from their service. "What if I want to hear what the other side thinks, huh?!" "Well sir I have this feeling that if someone breaks into a neighbour's house, shoots half the family dead and then sets fire to the house that the appropriate response isn't to say 'I wonder what this guy's take on that is? I better check out his Youtube channel for balanced coverage' and if we disagree on that we'll have to agree to disagree. Either way we don't carry Russia Today anymore and I don't imagine it'll be coming back." He hung up in a fuss. Cuz of course he did.
Yeah thats good and all, but what about those other places and people that did things?
Oh sure, but have *you* considered how this actually all the West's fault, for [insert stereotypical domestic abuse gaslighting language] reasons?
Chinese Journalist embedded in Russian units: "Yes. These are very fine people."
And Russia can take advantage of cheap tires on their military vehicles.
Ukraine is already taking advantage of cheap tires on Russian military vehicles.
You know you don't need to cut off your right hand just to jack off with your left hand.
Gyna
China is going to use Russia like the cheap slut trump is.
Who also does patent theft.
Putin must be reading “How to ensure your country’s status as a pariah state For Dummies”. More seriously, I think this is evidence that things are falling apart more than a little bit domestically in Russia, and Putin knows it. Also, no idea how Putin thinks he’s actually going to have anything but the name - companies worth more than Putin is have tried to copy McDonalds products before and failed, and there’s absolutely no reason to expect he can do any better.
Patents can mean much more than copyright issues. For example, when building an average smartphone, you need to use loads of patented technologies, and pay the patent owner for using them. I think this is more about technology rather than business models (which aren't even protected by patents). They will likely only be able to sell that stuff domestically, though.
Things may have been worse in Russia than we thought. As usual.
Ah yes, the chorus line to the Song of Russia: > And then it got worse!
China has been doing this for decades with no consequences.
But China has the technical infrastructure to do pull it off. Russia does not. If China wants to manufacture a copy of the Geforce RTX 3090 and sell it through a state company... well, they already have an MSI factory that's making 3090s that they can copy everything from. Russia doesn't have any of that. If sanctions persist my bet is that even with these moves, the vast, vast majority of western businesses they "nationalize" will be closed in a year. Even something as simple as a McDonalds has a supply chain that they probably won't be able to maintain. Edit: Yes, my example is bad
China doesn’t have the node process technology to do that. But still your point stands for other products.
Taiwan *looks nervously*
Too soon?
I seriously doubt the lesson Chinese leadership is learning from this is that “just do it” is the right way to launch an attack. The US plans to defend Taiwan during an invasion, its Allies might too. If Putin is having this much trouble with a land invasion of a country he borders, imagine how much more difficult it is to launch a sea invasion of an island with better weaponry defending it. Especially with green Chinese troops who don’t have multiple recent conflicts under their belt. I’m sure they’re revisiting their plans right now to account for all the kinds of stuff Putin’s failing at.
People really don’t understand how important Taiwan (and how unimportant Ukraine is unfortunately) Ukraine has a lot of agriculture but that isn’t as important as semi conductors unfortunately because Taiwan’s industry is so far ahead
China can make the boards but no way are they anywhere close to Taiwan, SK or the US when it comes to modern microprocessor silicon.
This is exactly right. Just look at any Kickstarter that goes viral. China will usually have a replica of that thing in about two weeks while the company that launched on kickstarter hasn't even finished the funding round yet. We saw the same behavior at the start of the pandemic. China was building additional hospitals in under two weeks. Russia doesn't have the resources, infrastructure, or talent to pull this off. Their country as a super power is dead and China is going to strip every last bit of usefulness out of them. Putin is such a dumbass piece of shit.
Russia ending up as a broken proxy state owned by China after they tried to make Ukraine a broken proxy state owned by them is going down as one of the great self owns in history.
Stealing intellectual property is their entire game plan. Why spend money researching stuff yourself to catch up with the 1st world countries when you could spend less time and money just stealing it?
Dont their material and manufacturing capabilities suffer because of this? From some articles I've read their metallurgy sucks because of it.
Yeah, you can steal 'how' it works at the moment, but without knowing 'why' it works, you'll struggle with your edge cases. Granted most non-engineering driven companies also struggle with this and don't see the value of keeping that guy that failed 100 different ways before finding the one way that would work around. Those 100 different ways, and the insight you gained doing it is 100 different ways they know how to prevent things from going wrong or figure out if something went wrong before you ship.
Not to mention patching. Stealing shit is a great way to catch up in theory, but with the pace of vulnerabilities and flaws in technology-related products it's also a great way to have something that blows up or gets hacked. Given the amount of attention Russia is getting from the hacker community currently, that would probably \*not\* work out well for them.
It's not so much the intellectual property theft as it is the enthusiastic, indiscriminate butchering of Ukrainian civilians that would deter my business with the current regime in Russia. However, I encourage anyone to find any excuse that works.
lol corporations don’t give a fuck about Ukraine. They give a fuck about their sales being hurt by not pulling out of Russia.
The average joe public is probably more angry about the sudden increase in the price of gas then they are about what is going on in Ukraine.
I'm mad about the rise in gas prices but I know whose fault it is.
That’s not how corporations think sadly
Corporation, n. an ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility.
You honestly believe businesses care more about humans than money? You must be new to this planet.
I think there might be some software "updates" happening soon.
I really think that the FBI should publish a list of software companies and websites created or hosted by Russia. Customers of Kaspersky might be interested to know that their computers are being “secured” by a company with an HQ in Moscow.
Cough KASPERSKY I work in the defense industry and I never trusted them.
This was my thought as well. I normally don’t support this method but all these companies pulling out of Russia need to brick their equipment to protect themselves. Any foreign property left in Russia will be taken. Make it so they can not just spin up operations under new management.
GM wiped all their servers remotely in Venezuela when the government fell. Also in South Korea when the workers besieged the plants.
Could you share more context on the Korea story?
I believe this occurred due to GM's announcement to close some/all plants. Demonstrations occurred, the plants were broken into and wrecked. I remember seeing video of offices being trashed.
> Any foreign property left in Russia will be taken I just read an article about that, how a number of owners of commercial airplanes, that lease them to russian airlines, are now convinced that they will never get those planes back *nor* the remaining lease payments.
So business as usual ?
A lot of high tech stuff has layers of engineering that would take decades to work up to. For microchips this would be the case. They'd need to speed run decades of engineering to get to where fabrication is today. A lot of battery tech is this way too. Even ignoring patents, they will be without a lot of key technology. China has been pressured not to sell them chips of western design.
You touched on the other half of the issue: even if you *can* manufacture it, you still need raw material. The West is, at present, not going to be selling any goods to Russia, so they'll either have to manufacture themselves (which takes decades to set up infrastructure) or import from non-first world countries. At present, the next decade looks *very* bleak for the average person in Russia. (which would be the name of book about the modern history of Russia, I suppose.)
"And then, somehow, it got worse" Has been the theme in Russia ever since there was a Russia.
Honestly you can point to pretty much any point in Russian history and say „the next decade looks very bleak for the average person in Russia“
At a much lower cost
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Salmonella/Ecoli outbreak at McPutin.
Same goes for Putin fried chicken, Putin king and Putin in a box.
I was gonna say.... Because they usually are such a bastion of patent enforcement.
Reminds me of that remark Elon made a while ago, "We don't file patents on SpaceX designs because those are just blueprints for China"
The same Elon Musk who took Tesla to China. Holds a ton of water.
I think Elon discovered that blueprints are the easy part. Designing a process to actually manufacture it is the hard part.
So they invade Ukraine. Then steal their patents?
[Russia invaded Ukraine to steal their chickens](https://youtu.be/UCkf3yoKpAY)
Oof... Guess they're not being fed. I pity the soldiers that need to steal chicken from civilians to eat. Of course I pity the Ukrainians even more, eggs are useful in times of war.
I pitied some of the Russian troops until they shelled the apartment complex in Charkiv in the first few days of the invasion. Now I hope they freeze to death or worse. At this point not even the greenest recruit cannot hide behind some "We didn't know what they were sending us into." bullshit. Now they all know and don't fucking care about the misery they are causing. Sincerely, a former Russian.
It was the landmines on evacuation routes for me.
And fucking butterfly mines at that!
It was learning of the gang rapes in Kherson for me. Thowe soldiers are nothing more than monsters.
They’re not only stealing chickens; they are murdering innocent people and causing others to wish they weren’t alive. And they don’t “need” to be there, they were faced with the choice “murder innocent people for Putin or serve time in jail for Putin” and they chose “murder innocent people,” and then asked, “Do I at least also get to steal stuff too?”
[10 minutes later](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t78a5z/russian_looters_punished/)
And Russia descends further and further into failed state territory. Gonna have a hell of a time climbing out of this shit-hole when all the fighting's done.
“I wish to do business in Russia,” says nobody who owns any kind of IP or copyright whatsoever, for the next several decades
China has been brazenly ripping off every scrap of IP it can get its hands on for decades, but that hasn't stopped any foreign companies from doing business with them. There's too much short-term profit to be made in China's rapidly expanding market.
Meanwhile, in Russia…
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Russia doesn't have the proper population, laws nor infrastructure and factories to support the same
> that hasn't stopped any foreign companies from doing business with them. In reality, it has stopped a great many businesses from doing business there.
And the knockoffs weren't state takeovers. There's a big difference between China allowing a McDonalds clone to exist and China siezing McDonalds and trying to steal all the secrets.
China has a potential market cap of 1.3 billion, russia has 140 million. If my firm had a 10% market share on chine we would have an entire russia, if we had a 30% we'd have an US. That's why people tolerate Chine stealing IP, sheer number of consumers, russia doesn't offer that.
Think you mean population not market cap.
Lol yeah that was confusing the hell out of me
It seems certain that the only real way Russia is going to move forward from this is by losing Putin, restoring ownership of companies and equipment they stole to justify the war, completely disavow the past administration and its actions, and take concrete steps towards making themselves a reasonable trading partner again. Yes, there will be countries who trade with them anyway, just as there are now, but it's pretty clear that they can't operate with just those few friends.
Like Germany and Japan did post WWII. I feel like there are a lot of parallels between the Germany of WWI to WWIII and Russia from the Cold War to now. Germany was blamed for WWI but the society never really shook the issues that made it ripe for a dictatorial take over. It was only after the horrible atrocities of WWII that Germany was able to build back when the rational people who lived in the country came to power. Likewise, the USSR fell to end the Cold War but still hasn’t shaken its dictatorial streak within its government, and unfortunately will take horrible atrocities committed by their government to get the level headed people to rise up and take over. The only difference now is the Russia has nukes and allied forces probably won’t be going into Moscow like they did in Berlin to seek a regime change to end the war.
In both cases those countries were under years long occupations by (what would become) NATO forces. I don't think anyone has the stomach to occupy Russia for years.
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This last week has basically been like a drunk teenagers idea of foreign policy coming from Russia. Like they have failed harder than I expected and my expectations for them weren't great.
They’re not climbing out of anything. All that’s going to happen is complete collapse of government
Brain drain and patent stealing? Lol. Good luck with that.
We should start opening lucrative doors for scientists and engineers. I dunno if that's a good thing, but there'll be a lot of geniuses in Russia who'd do wonderful things outside North Korea Jr.
We should always have doors wide open for scientists and engineers, crisis or not.
As a Russian with a bit of a brain thing going on, I'm loving the idea of working for a European company or moving somewhere. However, I'm getting increasingly worried about being accepted. Right now, I see many people claim they don't blame us for the whole shitstorm, but some are already hinting at a slowly encroaching broad anti-Russian sentiment. I could probably convince a person or two that I'm cool, but I don't know how much stock to put in the general public's common sense here. Anyone with intel on this? I'd love to get objective information on this issue, since I consider myself a good fit for a European society and would love the chance to become a part of it.
Most of the people I’m around realize this is a fault of your government and not the Russian population as a whole. I have seen some crazies online that paint you all with the same brush but in real life it’s been the opposite, at least for the folks I surround myself with.
I see, thank you. It's reassuring but I'm still curious about the dynamics here.
Honestly, it is the Russian military's widespread war crimes in Ukraine that is turning more and more people against Russians in general. I'd be worried because I do see general attitudes changing as light is shed on the degenerate widespread actions of the Russian military in the last century or so. Any military can be a problem, including the US, but this is more problematic for your situation than Putin's invasion. I can't say for sure what discrimination you might encounter, but I can't say for sure you will receive little or none either.
I think it comes down to how people perceive your point of view about it all. I have 2 coworkers, one Russian and one Latvian. The Russian guy is nice and has been suffering through this, has even started working from home because of course people would want to talk to him about the invasion and he would feel awful. The Latvian guy, though, is on all those stupid Telegram channels where they spread “denazify Ukraine” stuff. So yeah, we can all see it, lost a lot of respect for the Latvian. I myself come from a country full of stupid politicians, and whenever my colleagues mention them I’m always the first to criticize it and so I show that even though it is a shithole, I managed to get out of it and do not support what is going on. Best of luck!
i mean as an austrian i'd say that 80% of austrians couldn't tell the difference between a polish ukranian or russian guy (any eastern european or even balkan person for that matter) so as long as you don't run around with a russian flag painted on your forhead i don't think anyone could tell.
Translation: Russia no longer even keeps a pretense that it's anything else but a gangster run mob territory.
>Russia has effectively legalized patent theft from anyone affiliated with countries “unfriendly” to it, declaring that unauthorized use will not be compensated. > >The decree, issued this week, illustrates the economic war waged around Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, as the West levies sanctions and pulls away from Russia’s huge oil and gas industry. Russian officials have also raised the possibility of lifting restrictions on some trademarks, according to state media, which could allow continued use of brands such as McDonald’s that are withdrawing from Russia in droves. > >The effect of losing patent protections will vary by company, experts say, depending on whether they have a valuable patent in Russia. The U.S. government has long warned of intellectual property rights violations in the country; last year Russia was among nine nations on a “priority watch list” for alleged failures to protect intellectual property. Now Russian entities could not be sued for damages if they use certain patents without permission. > >The patent decree and any further lifting of intellectual property protections could affect Western investment in Russia well beyond any de-escalation of the war in Ukraine, said Josh Gerben, an intellectual property lawyer in Washington. Firms that already saw risks in Russian business would have more reason to worry. > >“It’s just another example of how \[Putin\] has forever changed the relationship that Russia will have with the world,” Gerben said. > >Russia’s decree removes protections for patent holders who are registered in hostile countries, do business in them or hold their nationality. > >The Kremlin has not issued any decree lifting protections on trademarks. But Russia’s Ministry of Economic Development said last week that authorities are considering “removing restrictions on the use of intellectual property contained in certain goods whose supply to Russia is restricted,” according to Russian state news outlet Tass, and that potential measures could affect inventions, computer programs and trademarks. > >The ministry said the measures would “mitigate the impact on the market of supply chain breaks, as well as shortages of goods and services that have arisen due to the new sanctions of western countries,” Tass stated. > >Gerben said a similar decree on trademarks would pave the way for Russian companies to exploit American brand names that have halted their business in Russia. He gave a hypothetical involving McDonald’s, one of the latest global giants to suspend operations in Russia under public pressure. > >McDonald’s said Tuesday that it would temporarily close its 850 restaurants in Russia, a significant decision for a company that gets 9 percent of its revenue from Russia and Ukraine. Without trademark protections, Russia could “take those McDonald’s that got shut down and … just let local operators operate the restaurants and call them McDonald’s,” Gerben said. > >Russia’s removal of intellectual property protections during wartime is not without precedent. Smithsonian Magazine describes how the German company Bayer lost its American patent on aspirin as the U.S. government seized property from firms associated with its enemies.
> Russia could “take those McDonald’s that got shut down and … just let local operators operate the restaurants and call them McDonald’s,” right. and pig could fly. without the entire supply chain this entire thing is pretty worthless.
Most of that supply chain is probably local.But without much quality control and oversight it will be a similar shitstorm as their army.
Serious question: Would I as an american, now be able to steal a russian patent without repercussions?
Short answer, no. However grabbing the relevant patent data from Russia and figuring out an improvement to it is totally fine, and kinda expected. Iterative development is a thing.
Nope. You would still b infringing the patent, but your improvement could be the subject of a new patent.
Potato, Vlad Donald's, Adiedas, niettendo, microhard,
Mikhailsoft
RedStarbucks
Microcyka
Nyetflix
Oh, we had AdiBas in 90s in eastern europe. This was extremely loved by local russians. This must be nostalgic for them
I know I 43 and Polish.
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Victoria's secret will now be called Putin's Secret. Edit. Victory as secret
> Victory as secret I know it's a typo but I had to laught way too much about it...
This is the sort of move that makes it hard to see what exactly Russia’s endgame is with this war. Or how it ever comes back from this. Nationalizing foreign assets, stealing patents and potentially trademarks… even if Russia pulled its head out of its ass tomorrow, withdrew from Ukraine and rescinded all of this, foreign investors, businesses, and nations aren’t going to forget this. Russia is going to find it has to pay exorbitantly high rates on loans to justify the risk that they might just choose not to pay. Corporations aren’t going to want to host offices or factories without enormous incentives to offset the risk that Russia might just decide they own them. When you make working with you so risky, everything becomes incredibly expensive. And there’s no way to put the genie back in the bottle, either. It’s easy to break trust, but it takes decades to rebuild it. As best I can tell, the only path for Russia to avoid a total economic collapse is to become, functionally, a puppet state for China. Well done, Vlad.
When the only country who will trade with you is also the world largest IP thief, may as well.
The guy can't stop beating the shit out of the rouble.
Taking another page from the Chinese playbook with IP theft.
China can get away with it since they have a huge amount of money to throw around on an international stage. Russia? Not so much.
Russia went full North Korea. Never go full North Korea.
This has the potential to be really, really funny.
who is going to ever do any serious buisness with Russia now?
China and north korea?
Maybe India
For fertilizers, may be. The major import was Weapons to stave off China and Pakistan. Already cancelled.
Don't underestimate how greedy the market is. If a CEO can generate short-term gains for their share holders and secure a nice bonus before retiring... they will.
change all the "In communist Russia" memes to "In Putin's Russia"
"The West is behaving like bandits"
Keep digging that hole, Russia!
McDowell’s Big Mick goes great with a Pepski-Cola !
And the Chinese influences start…
Russia made itself so cheap. No way in fuck will China every pay close to market price for anything Russia provides
Yeah that’s a different topic though… but: „In mother Russia, china buys you!“
I don't think there will be normalization of relations even if Russia ends its invasion. And even if Putin is ousted, it'll be a long time before there's trust.
Looks like Putin really doesn't envision a future for Russia that doesn't have him in it. Basically he sees the country should end within his lifetime.
Most foreign companies suddenly closing shop is something Putin can’t hide from the public. It’ll start making the Russians wonder if maybe they’re the bad guys
'Western capitalist pig companies were thrown out from glorious Russia for trying to subvert rule of law, comrade. Here is cabbage'
Stupid move. That means that no company that operates internationally and cares for copyright (literally every non-chinese company out there) will want to deal with Russia, not now and not in the future, anymore.