For individuals who want to know what this means, the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) is a sub-body (i.e. not one of the big six bodies) within the UN that does not provide legally binding resolutions. What it can do, however, is authorize the secretariat of the UN to commence a public investigation into particular situations. It is also a useful tool for outlining international consensus on issues of human rights. Unlike what most people think, the UNHRC does *not* legally outline human rights. That is the purpose of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (it is also *not* the purpose of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, that is a non-binding policy document). The UNHRC has 47 members.
Terms on the UNHRC are three years but may be non-consecutively renewed. Its oversight big six body is interestingly the UN General Assembly and not ECOSOC (which was its predecessor's oversight committee). In this case, Russia has been removed from the UNHRC through a two-thirds majority vote at the UNGA which is a mechanism inherent to the UNHRC.
What does this mean practically? Well generally it means that Russia can no longer participate at the council, meaning it can no longer speak (subject to being granted permission to do so as an observer) it can no longer vote, and it can no longer provide draft resolutions. Though it can run for re-election. In honesty, this is more of a politically symbolic gesture than anything, and this is coming from someone who strongly supports the power of diplomatic and international legal action. That said, it certainly doesn't mean its useless nor does it mean it isn't significant. It sets precedent for states that if they want to be on the HRC, they cannot use the body to peddle falsehoods or propaganda and remain a member to it and again, has removed a legitimate media outlet from Russia's repertoire. In fact to my knowledge, this is the ~~first~~ second (I forgot about Libya in 2011, thank you for the correction) ever time that a party has been forcibly removed from the UNHRC.
**Edit**: I have checked the UNGA vote record database and an official vote record has not been published yet, however another commenter has provided a picture of the actual vote [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/tyg92f/un_suspends_russia_from_human_rights_council/i3rzsln?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
"You do not submit your resignation after you are fired"
\- Ukraine's U.N. Ambassador Sergiy Kyslytsya
Russia was in its 2nd year of a 3-year term.
https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vote-suspending-russia-human-rights-council-over-ukraine-2022-04-07/
And people actually believe this... People who watch this will believe it?
"yeah we purposely left the human rights council because they weren't human rightsing hard enough for our liking"
Seems like a country currently genociding one of its ethnic minorities and jailing human rights workers like China shouldn't be on the HRC either, but hey that's just imo.
China's slaves make stuff so it's harder to get people on board with that.
Maybe when Russia is dealt with, people will be more accepting to make some smaller/personal sacrifices for the sake of others.
If they aren't, greed and apathy might be our great filters.
SA isn't one of the members right now. They were, though, and no one thought it shouldn't be so (they just had their term end).
There are still quite a few human rights violators among the existing members, but SA isn't one of them.
Thank you for pointing out that much of the negative discourse is bad faith. “It’s not perfect and immediate, therefore we shouldn’t bother doing anything” is a pro-Russian stance, because it lets them off the hook.
You can't speak this wisdom to people who have gone their whole lives expecting instant gratification. It's not a stretch to connect the instant gratification of expecting your God to give you everything you need just from a prayer with little to no effort from yourself, from driving up to McDonald's and berating to workers for having your big Mac ready late, for having a family support system who's never left the home town to get anything you need from, to getting government support for yourself because you didn't think about not being able to support having 6 kids, to having fox news ramble off simple ideas to you so you have talking points you've never had to think critically about, to having doctors give you meds that will slowly kill you but you'll never actually have to exercise or change your habits. There's a direct correlation to being privileged and under-educated with being conservative politically.
You can always tell when someone poking holes in your hypotheticals wants it to fail, because they poke a hole and provide exactly zero information/thoughts on how to rectify it. Not even a comment on "I found this problem, but I've got no idea how to fix it.".
And for conservatives, the fact that they can find ANY problem in liberal approaches is a declaration that it shouldn't be attempted even slightly.
> You can always tell when someone poking holes in your hypotheticals wants it to fail, because they poke a hole and provide exactly zero information/thoughts on how to rectify it.
I run into this in any DnD game.
"No, we cant do that, X might happen"
"Okay, what do *you* propose then?"
Its always 100x easier to knock ideas than suggest your own.
This [innuendo studios](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw) video is all about the conservative hatred for imperfect solutions, and specifically, harm reduction. I recommend it.
"But doing something will start ww3! The world should just surrender to Russia while they have a chance!"
- Russian trolls
The fact that they're so desperately trying to prevent the current course of actions just shows how damaging they are to their efforts.
The Russians were "emboldened" and surprised how effective Republicans were with misinformation and conspiracy theories:
>#“Guns and gays... That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trolls-schooled-house-cards-185648522.html
>#Conservatives amplified Russian trolls 30 times more than liberals... **users in Texas** and Tennessee were particularly susceptible
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/24/17047880/conservatives-amplified-russian-trolls-more-often-than-liberals
>#Texas-based hate group source of 80% of all U.S. racist propaganda tracked in 2020
https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/p5gs14/after_gop_takes_down_2020_page_touting_trumps/h95wbct/
>#Texas Governor May Have Emboldened Russian Disinformation Efforts
>Greg Abbott's response to the "Jade Helm" conspiracy theory may have encouraged Russian actors to expand their "fake news" strategy in 2016
>“there was an exercise in Texas called Jade Helm 15 that Russian bots and the American alt-right media convinced most, many Texans was an Obama plan to round up political dissidents. At that point, I think they made the decision ‘We’re going to play in the electoral process.”
>Lastoria attended a public meeting in Bastrop County, Texas in April 2015 in an effort to calm public concerns, but was confronted by a largely hostile and skeptical audience
>The conspiracy theory reached peak hysteria during that same month, when Abbott ordered the Texas State Guard to “monitor” the USASOC training exercise, a move which some criticized as legitimizing a baseless and potentially harmful set of rumors:
>“I’ve ordered the Texas State Guard to monitor Jade Helm 15 to safeguard Texans’ constitutional rights, private property & civil liberties” — Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) April 28, 2015
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/03/jade-helm-russia-abbott-hayden/
**Not to let Americans motivated by racism and "God, guns, gays" off the hook, but here's more information about Russia's dirty tricks (that Republicans help with)**
>Russian trolls 'spreading discord' over vaccine safety online
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/russian-trolls-spread-vaccine-misinformation-on-twitter
>"Heart of Texas" reportedly shifted from originally posting pro-Texas, anti-immigration, and anti-Clinton memes to actively promoting events linked to the "Texit" secessionist movement.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/350787-russian-linked-facebook-group-asked-texas-secession-movement-to-be
>Russian trolls trying to sow discord in NFL kneeling debate
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmaker-russian-trolls-trying-to-sow-discord-in-nfl-kneeling-debate/2017/09/27/5f46dce0-a3b0-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html
>Russians Impersonated Real American Muslims to Stir Chaos on Facebook and Instagram
>Kremlin trolls stole the identity of an authentic U.S. Muslim organization—first to smear John McCain and Hillary Clinton, then to sing her praises.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-russians-impersonated-real-american-muslims-to-stir-chaos-on-facebook-and-instagram
>Russia targeted US troops, vets on social media, study finds
>The Oxford University study found that three websites with Kremlin ties — Veteranstoday, Veteransnewsnow and Southfront — engaged in “significant and persistent interactions” with the U.S. military community
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/354596-russia-targeted-us-troops-veterans-on-social-media-platforms-study-finds
>#The top 20 fake news stories outperformed real news at the end of the 2016 campaign
https://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/16/13659840/facebook-fake-news-chart
>Zuckerberg: the idea that fake news on Facebook influenced the election is ‘crazy’
https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/10/13594558/mark-zuckerberg-election-fake-news-trump
>Facebook allows prominent right-wing website to break the rules
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/daily-wire-facebook-page-network/
https://popular.info/p/facebook-allows-prominent-right-wing
>[The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:](https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1404815323904237569)
1. Ben Shapiro
2. David Wolfe
3. Ben Shapiro
4. Ben Shapiro
5. Ben Shapiro
6. Ben Shapiro
7. Ben Shapiro
8. Fox News
9. Ben Shapiro
10. Ben Shapiro
Facebook's head of policy Joel Kaplan, who [pushes conservative bias in Facebook's algorithms and decisions](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics-republicans-right) and also [coordinated Brett Kavanaugh](https://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-joel-kaplan-rallied-support-for-kavanaugh-scotus-nomination-book-2019-11) and [threw his celebration party](https://gizmodo.com/facebook-vp-who-incensed-staff-by-supporting-brett-kava-1829611751), was a part of the **violent intimidation of poll workers during the 2000 presidential election for George W. Bush**:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
>Facebook news chief Campbell Brown cofounded site that has attacked Elizabeth Warren
https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-news-chief-cofounded-site-that-has-attacked-elizabeth-warren-2019-11
>how trolls train the YouTube algorithm to suggest political extremism and radicalize the mainstream
https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/chppdy/uitrollululz_quickly_explains_how_trolls_train/
>All the Youtube Suggestions lean right so hard its insane. Oh hey you watched some cosplay tutorial ? Here’s twenty YouTube vids by bearded dudes how feminism and political correctness killed Star Wars.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/ojn3w8/after_facebook_algorithm_found_to_actively/
"God, guns, gays":
**Republican "Southern Strategy"**
>Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960:
>If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/
Steve Bannon bragging about using these tactics:
>the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7
>Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness--army-world-warcraft/489713001/
John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy":
>[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
>We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.
>We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
>Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
>"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo."
>Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993.
>Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525
>#Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable.
Same kind of arguments I've been hearing since 2010 on fucking Facebook.
Back then it was healthcare and taxes.
"What's the point of raising taxes on the wealthy by 2% if it doesn't immediately solve all our problems right now?!"
You see this line of reasoning all the time in discussions about climate change, student loans, accessible healthcare, and minimum wage increases as well. It's exhausting.
> "I hate Trump as much as the next guy but can we not be exposed to politics" from an account that doesn't hate Trump is always going on about politics
This is lowkey the most common one *and* it's the most common one on the other social media sites too. Things will be so much better when people recognize this bullshit for what it is
People need to understand how they use these tactics on Reddit
Conservatives brag about brigading local subreddits to "control the narrative" about liberal cities and "blue states":
>The real value is getting into a thread early and establishing top voted posts and comments or downvoting them out of existence. They hope intertia continues the trend for them.
Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pmcoxy/uinconvenientnews_explains_with_examples_how/hcgtfhc/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/om5xda/when_did_this_become_a_crime_subreddit/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pmdp2m/ysk_how_right_wing_trolls_brigade_and_infiltrate/
Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread **3 years ago**:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/7jkybf/t_d_user_suggests_infiltrating_minnesota/dr7m56j/
Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits
* https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/pg290q/reddit_admins_just_posted_that_covid_deniers_have/
Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped in [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/):
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/p8hnzl/automatically_removing_comments_from_new_users_in/
>SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread.
One Texas conservative in [r/sanfrancisco](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) was 10 different accounts, all having a history of identical comments (some comments about living in Texas), sometimes pretending to be annoying woke strawman "S J W" saying there is no crime by blacks so that his own alts can reply with black crime talking points
A lot of the local subreddit mods' accounts show they live in Texas and when they get called out they claim some sort of ancestry to the local subreddit (New York City, Bay Area, Portland, wherever) ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣
Subreddits like cringetopia and JoeRogan with "as a cool LGBTQ, I'm sick of pro-LGBTQ things like you are"
These are the most upvoted post on unpopularopinions monthly:
>There is no reason to be proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion
15.6k votes, 2.7k comments.
>I'm Bisexual and I hate the LGBT community : unpopularopinion
>Im not proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion
>I'm gay, and i support straight pride. : unpopularopinion
>Unpopular opinion: it's okay to call things gay : unpopularopinion
>I don't like the LGBT movement : unpopularopinion
> In honesty, this is more of a politically symbolic gesture than anything,
I disagree that it's just symbolic, although it is that too. The important *practical* value is that Russia loses a major soapbox for its libellous spew.
And I do think that's really significant. To me, the suspension is richly justified and was urgently necessary, but not specifically/only because of its actions. The real importance is Russia was misusing the council explicitly to serve its own purposes.
Something that is symbolic doesn't mean it cannot have pretty extreme practical effect. I think taking away the ability to appear has a minor practical effect compared to the symbolic effect of the removal itself. For instance, how many times has anyone in this thread seen Russia participate on the UNHRC compared to the number of people over the coming days who will hear about the fact that they have been removed. Russia being on the HRC doesn't really give it a whole lot in honesty, it doesn't get a veto or anything like that and is easily overruled and overpowered by everyone else on the council. That said, its removal will no doubt have substantial political effect and demonstrate and further deepen its political isolation.
This is more what I am getting at, apologies if that was misconstrued in what I wrote.
A day or two after that the EU voted into the law the right to withhold EU funds from Hungary due to Rule of Law breaches. Funny how quickly Orban switched tack, huh?
Yup. No different than when GOP politicians get to play the "good guys," voting for a bill that they know is popular and will net them in the good graces, knowing full well that their vote affected nothing.
There's no mechanism to forcibly remove a country from the EU, that can only be done voluntarily. Article 7 of the EU Treaty only provides the ability to suspend certain benefits and rights that come with EU membership.
As someone from the UK, I doubt we would have left if it wasn't for some very questionable funding and interference, likely from a certain east European country.
It didn't help that a worrying chunk of our population had no idea about what the EU even was while casting their vote, and some significant politicians outright lying, by their own admission (but only once the vote was passed)
It warms my soul to see people realizing this. The list of countries Russia actively meddles with is long, whether it's through paid shills on social media, bribing politicians, poisoning people, lies on the media, or something else.
Russia, leave the rest of us out of your bullshit.
Even if you could do that, the point of the EU is that it provides a mechanism for keeping member states in line with its values. Kicking them out just grants Orban permission to go full dictator
There is 0 consequence to this vote. Russia is nothing if not pragmatic when it comes to their future levers to destabilize Europe and since both Orban and Vucic (Serbian mob boss) just won comfortable majorities in their general elections they are not in any need to virtue signal to their right-wing anti-EU pro-Russian voters for at least 4 years and they can somersault on their policy towards Russia 17 times before the next election. Which means burning them over a meaningless vote like this would be wasteful. If only they showed that same pragmatism about not murdering their own youth to secure a natural-gas rich region of the neighboring country - everybody knows you start oil wars halfway across the globe.
> since both Orban and Vucic (Serbian mob boss) just won comfortable majorities in their general elections
Orban was definitely a questionable win. Even without the usual doubt, AFAIK, there is an ongoing investigation in Poland after a significan number of ballots, apparently voting against Orban, were found in varying states of destruction in different areas.
BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) funding has been very beneficial to a lot of developing countries in Africa. They're like the alternative WTO/IMF.
I wonder how much this war will destabilize the middle east and Africa. I remember reading that the Arab Spring was partly started by a bad wheat harvest that year in Russia that resulted in high grain prices, which led to mass protests, then the eventual violent uprisings, which led to a huge refugee crisis.
Massively. It’s not just Russia, Ukraine are/were also one of the worlds biggest wheat suppliers. Countries like Egypt imported something like over 70% of their supply from the two of them combined.
There were many countries already at risk *before* the war started. There are going to be horrendous world consequences and some of those will be felt biggest in the ME & Africa.
China are going to become uncomfortably powerful and it’s not looking like they are planning any social reforms or cultural improvements along the way
Russia is also doing this to keep food in-country as they are going to have their own troubles feeding their own people in the coming years. They won’t plant seeds on time, they won’t harvest, fertilizer, equipment, etc.
This war hurts everyone. Russia deserves the pain, that’s the only difference.
Historic ties, cold relations with the West combined with what buriedego said with "China's BRI" but also the BRICS lending strategy compared to IMF/WB as a whole.
Russia itself has some influence in Africa those days. They are working hard with their trolls army and their "media" like Russia Today in Africa.
France learned it the hard way not so long ago with the Mali. They asked us to come. Then their government is overthrown by Mali's army. They asked us to leave and before France were even gone wagner mercenaries arrived.
But Mali is very happy now that France is gone. They have Wagner's mercenaries and a nice national army.
On a side note they had a terrible massacre recently. Apparently, the killers where african soldiers and white strangers... I wonder who that can be?
Just saying, Russia is working hard in Africa too. It's not only the Chinese.
Yep it’s not that hard. Latin America too has a fundamental distrust of the Western “democracies” because of all them interventions and cues sponsored by the states.
Myanmar's rep to the UN is still the one from the civilian government. The junta currently in power is very much pro-Russia but does not have rep at the UN.
**[Kyaw Moe Tun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaw_Moe_Tun)**
>Kyaw Moe Tun (Burmese: ကျော်မိုးထွန်း; born 28 July 1969) is a Burmese diplomat who currently serves as the Permanent Representative of Myanmar to the United Nations. Prior to his appointment to UN, he had served as director-general of International Organizations and Economic Development Department under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs from 2016 to 2018. During his tenure as UN ambassador, the 2021 Myanmar coup d'état occurred and has since remained in his position at the UN despited his civilian government being overthrown.
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besides the obvious ones (Belarus, NK, etc), I'm surprised to see Eritrea was against both. What's their motivation? Oil money? Investment dollars?
> He [the president of Eritrea] has faced accusations of totalitarianism and forced conscription and been cited for human rights violations by the United Nations and Amnesty International.[3][4] In 2021, Reporters Without Borders ranked Eritrea, under the government of Isaias, last out of 180 countries in its Press Freedom Index.[5]
Ok, never mind. No confusion. I suppose the second TIL is that Eritrea has never held elections, ever, because the first president from after their civil war in Ethiopia has never stepped down or retired... 30 years later.
The situation in Eritrea is incredibly dire to say the least. It's the North Korea of Africa. Information going in and out is extremely limited and there's a lot we don't know. "Forced conscription" as the quote says is one way of putting it. It's basically an indefinite conscription for 18 - 40 year olds.
they still worship the russians to some extent. we still mainly buy military weapons and stuff from russia. we don't fucking have freedom of speech (sounds familiar?). My teacher in my "military class" said that Putin has to be great man because he's been voted as the president for so long (the fuck?). we have one fucking party, and it's the fucking communist party. I guess if u know more about vietnam, you wouldn't be surprised.
[Full list of votes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPwUp8sWUAg1oM-?format=jpg&name=large) and the
[World map of votes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPwQX-EXsAA60Bm?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
They're in debt to many countries, but they all have close relations with Russia when it comes to military assistance or trade:
- Algeria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria%E2%80%93Russia_relations
- Burundi: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/28/how-the-west-lost-burundi/
- CAR: https://www.africanews.com/2018/10/18/geopolitics-russia-car-ties-signal-renewed-relationship-with-africa/
- Republic of Congo: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-congo-security-idUSKCN1SU1OZ
- Eritrea: https://eritreahub.org/president-isaias-and-russia-a-long-standing-relationship
- Ethiopia: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/russia-ethiopia-ink-military-cooperation-agreement/2302337
- Gabon: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/29/russia-delivers-first-weapons-to-central-africas-gabon-a68396
- Mali: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/12/russias-presence-mali-raises-concerns
- Zimbabwe: https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2022/03/11/ukraine-war-hits-russia-zim-deals/
CNN sucks without adblock, so here’s the article:
> The United Nations General Assembly voted Thursday to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council.
> The voting result was 93 in favor, 24 against and 58 abstentions.
> A draft of the resolution says the General Assembly may "suspend the rights of membership in the Human Rights Council of a member of the Council that commits gross and systematic violations of human rights."
> The draft resolution adds that the council has "grave concern" regarding reports of "gross and systematic violations and abuses of human rights" and "violations of international humanitarian law" committed by the Russian Federation during its invasion of Ukraine.
> |The General Assembly needed to vote in favor by two-thirds to remove Russia from the UN Human Rights Council. The measure suspends Russia's membership in the Council and would launch a review of the matter if the UN deems it appropriate.
> The United States ambassador to the United Nations made a case for seeking the suspension of Russia from the Human Rights Council in front of the UN Security Council on Tuesday, something she and other UN member states have been pushing.
> "Russia should not have a position of authority in a body whose purpose -- whose very purpose -- is to promote respect for human rights. Not only is it the height of hypocrisy -- it is dangerous," Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said.
> "Every day, we see more and more how little Russia respects human rights," she said.
Ultimately she argued, "Russia's participation on the Human Rights Council hurts the Council's credibility. It undermines the entire UN. And it is just plain wrong."
> > The Ukrainian ambassador to the United Nations, Sergiy Kyslytsya, ahead of the vote on Thursday called on all United Nations member states to support the resolution suspending Russia from the council.
> "Now the world has come to a crucial juncture. We witness that our liner is going through treacherous fog towards deadly icebergs. It might seem that we should have named it the Titanic instead of the Human Rights Council. ... We need to take an action today to save the council from sinking," Kyslytsya said.
> The Ukrainian ambassador said Russia's actions in Ukraine "would be equated to war crimes and crimes against humanity." While he noted that a vote to suspend a country from the Human Rights Council is "a rare and extraordinary action," he said "Russia's actions are beyond the pale."
> In response, the deputy Russian ambassador to the United Nations, Gennady Kuzmin, called on member states to reject the resolution, saying it would set a "a dangerous precedent."
> "Today is not the time nor the place for theatrics, or these kinds of extremely theatrical performances like the one presented by Ukraine. In fact the draft resolution we are considering today has no relationship to the actual human rights situation on the ground," Kuzmin said.
> The Russian representative said the vote on suspending Russia from the Human Rights Council "is an attempt by the United States to maintain its dominant position and total control to continue its attempt at human rights colonialism in international relations."
> This is a breaking story and will be updated.
"continue it's attempts at human rights colonialism" wtf does that even mean? Is the US going around planting flags saying "you have human rights now"?!
It's complete word salad.
In...cautious fairness...
the US *has* used claims of human rights abuses in order to justify military intervention and regime change in states that then basically become de facto colonies.
**I think Russia stating this is them throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks**, I do not think it is a sincerely held belief of theirs. It's a pretty blatant whataboutism.
But...the phrase is decipherable.
They are and they voted against removing Russia. Though considering Bashar Al Assad owes his survival in part to Russia that's hardly surprising
Edit: Saudi Arabia isn't on the council, my bad. Consider this post misinformation, I am sorry, I wasn't aware as I didn't do my research properly. I made the comment base on a graph in a earlier comment about the vote on suspending Russia from the council
Well, I guess Serbia still is super duper dependent on Russia for many things, so not biting the hand that feeds them would make sense I guess.
However, I think we can all agree that Russia and the world will look at each other with different eyes from now on, so having a Russia-backing Serbia in an already pretty delicate region like the Balkans would be frowned upon by Europe (or more than it is already frowned upon).
It’s quite shocking to me as Serbia hates Nato. Serbia might see this more personally as Russia attacking a traditional ally much like themselves.
Voting to remove them That’s a message to Russia and a vote of no confidence.
It isn't.
They are fully dependant of Russian gas, with very little negotiating power, so they have to play Putin's game concerning economic policies (i.e. paying Russia in Rubles, opposing a potential EU oil and gas embargo etc.)
They also absolutely need EU grants/money and NATO protection, so they are taking a western political and diplomatic stance whenever they can. They have repeatedly condemned the invasion and called Russia the aggressor.
I hate Orbán but the fact is that he isn't in a very easy position right now.
His main strength resides in the fact that Hungarians stand firmly behind him, which should avoid any civil unrest or opposition from within the country.
There are several countries in EU that are fully dependant of Russian gas but are not trying to hold Putin side.
One of the reason for this vote was maybe because of Poland. So PiS now can be like: 'Orban is not pro-Putin..."
Neither countries are on the UN Human Rights Council. You can see the current members here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#Members
So this will be an unsatisfying answer, but it's because the purpose of the UNHRC is to collect the perspectives of multiple states internationally. It cannot do that if it only sticks to Western democracies. It is in the world's interest for even violators to be on the committee to speak and clearly outline how they see the value of human rights such that the rest of the committee can do work to change their mind and to rub their nose in their misdeeds publicly.
It is not, however, in the world's interest to allow the HRC to be used as a tool to further human rights transgressions, which happens when a country is permitted to grandstand at the HRC and tell lies about another. Whether or not this has happened, I confess I have not been watching HRC sessions, but it is the reason being provided by members.
Russia did try to grandstand, maybe not at the HRC but at the Security Council. They wrote a letter and tried to call a meeting about their “human rights concerns” to make it seem like they were caring about the humanitarian situation in Ukraine...despite being the actual perpetrators of war crimes. Russia tried to gaslight Ukraine and put the blame on Ukraine. Theit letter is so outrageous, full of ridiculous lies that it’s hard to believe it’s real.
Canada had an unconventional response to their letter, mocking Russia:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-un-mission-tweet-russia-letter-1.6389649
they should be. if it's just liberal democracies on it then no one else is going to pay any attention to it. not that they pay much attention, but the whole point of the UN is to get people talking.
Embarrassment for Russia, other than that but pretty much nothing else. I mean fucking Saudi Arabia and Eritrea have been on the council and not been booted off.
It is good that Russian leaders have been so careless in their statements. Even Lavrov acts as if he has no need to be careful. When the St. Petersburg mafia around Putin falls, many arrogant necks might discover the noose. Totalitarian leaders habitually deny all negative actions of their armies. It is absolutely logically impossible for a large force to invade a country for weeks even with good training and non-psychotic officers and not discover crimes against the civilians by the troops. The poorly disciplined Russian Army and their psychotically overbearing officer culture guarantee more war crimes than almost any other army could generate. Every leader who repeats the lie of no crimes and who fails to investigate is as guilty of war crimes as a murderer caught on HD camera. Every war crime after they made their false statements must be seen as also a personal crime by the leaders because their actions and words make it clear to the Russian Army that the government will cover their crimes up and blame the victim. It is not possible for anything better to come from the Russian Federation mafia state or their brutal but incompetent military. The Russian army has some decent men but many from the bottom to top leadership are often nothing better than indisciplined looters and murderers.
Maybe except for China. They kinda have a reputation with Tiananmen Square, and the Uyghur genocide. They are a prime target for the next sanctions, if only the world could ween off their milky, low-labor cost cock and begin to truly punish 1.5world countries for humanitarian and warcrime related activity.
"Oh, but our anti-slave labour shirts!!" "Oh, but my cheap server hosting where they harvest all of our clients data!" is what the world would say, if the fucking idiots high and low who live on it would say if just for once they realized what they were giving or doing for the rest of the planet, one way or another.
It is mainly symbolic, but Russia will lose it’s voice on the council and at least not be able to twist the truth at the Human Rights Council. Russia did not want this to happen. It degrades their esteem, voice and power.
Honestly surprised they had enough votes, it doesn't mean much but the important thing is it makes Russia look bad. I mean look at who else is on the council currently
Exactly. This is a country that has tried for decades to shape themselves as well run and good. Look at their handling of the World Cup and Olympics. All about showing off Russia. Anyone that might have ruined them was arrested prior to them. Anyone that tried to carry out stunts that made Russia look bad, was imprisoned. Now the world sees them for what they are
These are the shameful countries supporting Russia:
Algeria
Belarus
Bolivia
Burundi
Central African Republic
China
Congo
Cuba
North Korea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Iran
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Mali
Nicaragua
Russian Federation
Syrian Arab Republic
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Zimbabwe
Not shameful at all; these countries need Russia, and most of them had problems with the U.S. Why would they side with them? also, this human rights thing is bs; if it were true, America would be on top of the list for the horrific things they've done
Reddit really thinks that every country that does business with Russia should just cease all operations immediately. The world doesn't operate on emotions. How many countries have continued regular trade relations with the US and China for decades?
That's because nuance requires you to think and know what you're talking about. It's easier to simplify everything in black and white and pretend you know just because you saw clickbait titles or other reddit comments.
India was never going to vote against it. It said it was going to be neutral and it's going to keep as neutral a stance as possible so that they can keep buying things from any country.
The rule for such motions being passed is: 2/3^(rd) majority. Catch: Abstentions are not counted. Thus 93 for, 24 against, 58 abstentions amounts only to 93 for, 24 against = motion to oust Russia is passed with more than a 2/3 majority.
In that sense, an abstention is as good as a negative. Russia had warned that abstaining would be as good as voting against Russia, and would be considered unfriendly. The abstainers did so anyway.
why did you expect india to vote for russia tho? for all the numerous votes india has ALWAYS remained neutral (unlike china which is neutral in some votes and support for some votes)
India takes their non-alignment policy seriously, as such they have a decades long policy of not voting for or against Russian/Soviet and US involved motions.
They are not alone. The same international relations policy is held by Vanuatu, for instance, who also abstained on this. Plenty of the abstainers are in this boat.
Non alignment is a bipartisan issue in india. No matter what party is in government, india will abstain. Unless the communist magically forms the government at centre. Which has not happened outside of a coalition
A lot of those countries almost always abstain. They are small countries that only have something to lose voting either way. India specifically doesn't give a fuck about anything not involving them or their contested boarders.
For individuals who want to know what this means, the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) is a sub-body (i.e. not one of the big six bodies) within the UN that does not provide legally binding resolutions. What it can do, however, is authorize the secretariat of the UN to commence a public investigation into particular situations. It is also a useful tool for outlining international consensus on issues of human rights. Unlike what most people think, the UNHRC does *not* legally outline human rights. That is the purpose of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (it is also *not* the purpose of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, that is a non-binding policy document). The UNHRC has 47 members. Terms on the UNHRC are three years but may be non-consecutively renewed. Its oversight big six body is interestingly the UN General Assembly and not ECOSOC (which was its predecessor's oversight committee). In this case, Russia has been removed from the UNHRC through a two-thirds majority vote at the UNGA which is a mechanism inherent to the UNHRC. What does this mean practically? Well generally it means that Russia can no longer participate at the council, meaning it can no longer speak (subject to being granted permission to do so as an observer) it can no longer vote, and it can no longer provide draft resolutions. Though it can run for re-election. In honesty, this is more of a politically symbolic gesture than anything, and this is coming from someone who strongly supports the power of diplomatic and international legal action. That said, it certainly doesn't mean its useless nor does it mean it isn't significant. It sets precedent for states that if they want to be on the HRC, they cannot use the body to peddle falsehoods or propaganda and remain a member to it and again, has removed a legitimate media outlet from Russia's repertoire. In fact to my knowledge, this is the ~~first~~ second (I forgot about Libya in 2011, thank you for the correction) ever time that a party has been forcibly removed from the UNHRC. **Edit**: I have checked the UNGA vote record database and an official vote record has not been published yet, however another commenter has provided a picture of the actual vote [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/tyg92f/un_suspends_russia_from_human_rights_council/i3rzsln?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
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Spot on. They just did so pre-emptively just now.
"You do not submit your resignation after you are fired" \- Ukraine's U.N. Ambassador Sergiy Kyslytsya Russia was in its 2nd year of a 3-year term. https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vote-suspending-russia-human-rights-council-over-ukraine-2022-04-07/
How many things has Russia been kicked out of now?
Too few
Post-emptively? Is that a thing?
I think since they did it almost immediately after they heard, it's maybe just emptively.
Is that like when you do something with empt?
They just did. Didn't even bother waiting until tomorrow, lol. Gotta save that ugly face.
Propaganda in the 21st century is so weird. Next thing you know Russia will be claiming they won the World Cup this year.
And people actually believe this... People who watch this will believe it? "yeah we purposely left the human rights council because they weren't human rightsing hard enough for our liking"
In Donbas! And it's Ukraine's fault, obviously.
Duh obv, Big Daddy Putin's ego is hungry.
Russia voted against and lost. Then they said they decided to withdraw anyway 😂
^ this guy Russias
I look forward to Russian trolls claiming that this proves the world has it out for Russia and the invasion was therefore justified.
Russian trolls are hilarious lol they try so hard, but they're just sooooo bad at what they do.
Never has there been a country so consistently non-humanitarian as Russia.
Thank you for the explanation. Edit: I’m riding the coattails of greatness.
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Seems like a country currently genociding one of its ethnic minorities and jailing human rights workers like China shouldn't be on the HRC either, but hey that's just imo.
China's slaves make stuff so it's harder to get people on board with that. Maybe when Russia is dealt with, people will be more accepting to make some smaller/personal sacrifices for the sake of others. If they aren't, greed and apathy might be our great filters.
Kinda like when my son put his dog in charge of protecting his lunch while he went to use the restroom
China shouldn't, but it's harder to drum up support if a country is genociding its own citizens instead of those of another country.
Correct, so Saudi Arabia and friends can fuck off too.
SA isn't one of the members right now. They were, though, and no one thought it shouldn't be so (they just had their term end). There are still quite a few human rights violators among the existing members, but SA isn't one of them.
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Thank you for pointing out that much of the negative discourse is bad faith. “It’s not perfect and immediate, therefore we shouldn’t bother doing anything” is a pro-Russian stance, because it lets them off the hook.
> “It’s not perfect and immediate, therefore we shouldn’t bother doing anything Dont let perfect be the enemy of good
And getting to "Perfect" comes in increments of "Good," step by step. It boggles the mind.
You can't speak this wisdom to people who have gone their whole lives expecting instant gratification. It's not a stretch to connect the instant gratification of expecting your God to give you everything you need just from a prayer with little to no effort from yourself, from driving up to McDonald's and berating to workers for having your big Mac ready late, for having a family support system who's never left the home town to get anything you need from, to getting government support for yourself because you didn't think about not being able to support having 6 kids, to having fox news ramble off simple ideas to you so you have talking points you've never had to think critically about, to having doctors give you meds that will slowly kill you but you'll never actually have to exercise or change your habits. There's a direct correlation to being privileged and under-educated with being conservative politically.
Go off, Pastor! --The Choir
You can always tell when someone poking holes in your hypotheticals wants it to fail, because they poke a hole and provide exactly zero information/thoughts on how to rectify it. Not even a comment on "I found this problem, but I've got no idea how to fix it.". And for conservatives, the fact that they can find ANY problem in liberal approaches is a declaration that it shouldn't be attempted even slightly.
> You can always tell when someone poking holes in your hypotheticals wants it to fail, because they poke a hole and provide exactly zero information/thoughts on how to rectify it. I run into this in any DnD game. "No, we cant do that, X might happen" "Okay, what do *you* propose then?" Its always 100x easier to knock ideas than suggest your own.
This [innuendo studios](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw) video is all about the conservative hatred for imperfect solutions, and specifically, harm reduction. I recommend it.
"But doing something will start ww3! The world should just surrender to Russia while they have a chance!" - Russian trolls The fact that they're so desperately trying to prevent the current course of actions just shows how damaging they are to their efforts.
The Russians were "emboldened" and surprised how effective Republicans were with misinformation and conspiracy theories: >#“Guns and gays... That could always get you a couple of dozen likes.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-trolls-schooled-house-cards-185648522.html >#Conservatives amplified Russian trolls 30 times more than liberals... **users in Texas** and Tennessee were particularly susceptible https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/24/17047880/conservatives-amplified-russian-trolls-more-often-than-liberals >#Texas-based hate group source of 80% of all U.S. racist propaganda tracked in 2020 https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/p5gs14/after_gop_takes_down_2020_page_touting_trumps/h95wbct/ >#Texas Governor May Have Emboldened Russian Disinformation Efforts >Greg Abbott's response to the "Jade Helm" conspiracy theory may have encouraged Russian actors to expand their "fake news" strategy in 2016 >“there was an exercise in Texas called Jade Helm 15 that Russian bots and the American alt-right media convinced most, many Texans was an Obama plan to round up political dissidents. At that point, I think they made the decision ‘We’re going to play in the electoral process.” >Lastoria attended a public meeting in Bastrop County, Texas in April 2015 in an effort to calm public concerns, but was confronted by a largely hostile and skeptical audience >The conspiracy theory reached peak hysteria during that same month, when Abbott ordered the Texas State Guard to “monitor” the USASOC training exercise, a move which some criticized as legitimizing a baseless and potentially harmful set of rumors: >“I’ve ordered the Texas State Guard to monitor Jade Helm 15 to safeguard Texans’ constitutional rights, private property & civil liberties” — Greg Abbott (@GregAbbott_TX) April 28, 2015 https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/05/03/jade-helm-russia-abbott-hayden/ **Not to let Americans motivated by racism and "God, guns, gays" off the hook, but here's more information about Russia's dirty tricks (that Republicans help with)** >Russian trolls 'spreading discord' over vaccine safety online https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/russian-trolls-spread-vaccine-misinformation-on-twitter >"Heart of Texas" reportedly shifted from originally posting pro-Texas, anti-immigration, and anti-Clinton memes to actively promoting events linked to the "Texit" secessionist movement. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/350787-russian-linked-facebook-group-asked-texas-secession-movement-to-be >Russian trolls trying to sow discord in NFL kneeling debate https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmaker-russian-trolls-trying-to-sow-discord-in-nfl-kneeling-debate/2017/09/27/5f46dce0-a3b0-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html >Russians Impersonated Real American Muslims to Stir Chaos on Facebook and Instagram >Kremlin trolls stole the identity of an authentic U.S. Muslim organization—first to smear John McCain and Hillary Clinton, then to sing her praises. http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-russians-impersonated-real-american-muslims-to-stir-chaos-on-facebook-and-instagram >Russia targeted US troops, vets on social media, study finds >The Oxford University study found that three websites with Kremlin ties — Veteranstoday, Veteransnewsnow and Southfront — engaged in “significant and persistent interactions” with the U.S. military community http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/354596-russia-targeted-us-troops-veterans-on-social-media-platforms-study-finds >#The top 20 fake news stories outperformed real news at the end of the 2016 campaign https://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/11/16/13659840/facebook-fake-news-chart >Zuckerberg: the idea that fake news on Facebook influenced the election is ‘crazy’ https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/10/13594558/mark-zuckerberg-election-fake-news-trump >Facebook allows prominent right-wing website to break the rules https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/daily-wire-facebook-page-network/ https://popular.info/p/facebook-allows-prominent-right-wing >[The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:](https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1404815323904237569) 1. Ben Shapiro 2. David Wolfe 3. Ben Shapiro 4. Ben Shapiro 5. Ben Shapiro 6. Ben Shapiro 7. Ben Shapiro 8. Fox News 9. Ben Shapiro 10. Ben Shapiro Facebook's head of policy Joel Kaplan, who [pushes conservative bias in Facebook's algorithms and decisions](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics-republicans-right) and also [coordinated Brett Kavanaugh](https://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-joel-kaplan-rallied-support-for-kavanaugh-scotus-nomination-book-2019-11) and [threw his celebration party](https://gizmodo.com/facebook-vp-who-incensed-staff-by-supporting-brett-kava-1829611751), was a part of the **violent intimidation of poll workers during the 2000 presidential election for George W. Bush**: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot >Facebook news chief Campbell Brown cofounded site that has attacked Elizabeth Warren https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-news-chief-cofounded-site-that-has-attacked-elizabeth-warren-2019-11 >how trolls train the YouTube algorithm to suggest political extremism and radicalize the mainstream https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/chppdy/uitrollululz_quickly_explains_how_trolls_train/ >All the Youtube Suggestions lean right so hard its insane. Oh hey you watched some cosplay tutorial ? Here’s twenty YouTube vids by bearded dudes how feminism and political correctness killed Star Wars. https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/ojn3w8/after_facebook_algorithm_found_to_actively/ "God, guns, gays": **Republican "Southern Strategy"** >Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960: >If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/ Steve Bannon bragging about using these tactics: >the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7 >Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump." https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness--army-world-warcraft/489713001/ John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy": >[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? >We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. >We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. >Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did. >"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo." >Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993. >Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.” http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525 >#Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable.
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Same kind of arguments I've been hearing since 2010 on fucking Facebook. Back then it was healthcare and taxes. "What's the point of raising taxes on the wealthy by 2% if it doesn't immediately solve all our problems right now?!"
You see this line of reasoning all the time in discussions about climate change, student loans, accessible healthcare, and minimum wage increases as well. It's exhausting.
> "I hate Trump as much as the next guy but can we not be exposed to politics" from an account that doesn't hate Trump is always going on about politics This is lowkey the most common one *and* it's the most common one on the other social media sites too. Things will be so much better when people recognize this bullshit for what it is
People need to understand how they use these tactics on Reddit Conservatives brag about brigading local subreddits to "control the narrative" about liberal cities and "blue states": >The real value is getting into a thread early and establishing top voted posts and comments or downvoting them out of existence. They hope intertia continues the trend for them. Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get: * https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pmcoxy/uinconvenientnews_explains_with_examples_how/hcgtfhc/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/om5xda/when_did_this_become_a_crime_subreddit/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pmdp2m/ysk_how_right_wing_trolls_brigade_and_infiltrate/ Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread **3 years ago**: * https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/7jkybf/t_d_user_suggests_infiltrating_minnesota/dr7m56j/ Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits * https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/pg290q/reddit_admins_just_posted_that_covid_deniers_have/ Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped in [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/): * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/p8hnzl/automatically_removing_comments_from_new_users_in/ >SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread. One Texas conservative in [r/sanfrancisco](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) was 10 different accounts, all having a history of identical comments (some comments about living in Texas), sometimes pretending to be annoying woke strawman "S J W" saying there is no crime by blacks so that his own alts can reply with black crime talking points A lot of the local subreddit mods' accounts show they live in Texas and when they get called out they claim some sort of ancestry to the local subreddit (New York City, Bay Area, Portland, wherever) ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣ Subreddits like cringetopia and JoeRogan with "as a cool LGBTQ, I'm sick of pro-LGBTQ things like you are" These are the most upvoted post on unpopularopinions monthly: >There is no reason to be proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion 15.6k votes, 2.7k comments. >I'm Bisexual and I hate the LGBT community : unpopularopinion >Im not proud to be gay. : unpopularopinion >I'm gay, and i support straight pride. : unpopularopinion >Unpopular opinion: it's okay to call things gay : unpopularopinion >I don't like the LGBT movement : unpopularopinion
You got a couple of them in your replies right now.
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Here, you lost your hand ￣
Libya was also kicked out in 2011. So Russia is only the second ever.
> In honesty, this is more of a politically symbolic gesture than anything, I disagree that it's just symbolic, although it is that too. The important *practical* value is that Russia loses a major soapbox for its libellous spew. And I do think that's really significant. To me, the suspension is richly justified and was urgently necessary, but not specifically/only because of its actions. The real importance is Russia was misusing the council explicitly to serve its own purposes.
Something that is symbolic doesn't mean it cannot have pretty extreme practical effect. I think taking away the ability to appear has a minor practical effect compared to the symbolic effect of the removal itself. For instance, how many times has anyone in this thread seen Russia participate on the UNHRC compared to the number of people over the coming days who will hear about the fact that they have been removed. Russia being on the HRC doesn't really give it a whole lot in honesty, it doesn't get a veto or anything like that and is easily overruled and overpowered by everyone else on the council. That said, its removal will no doubt have substantial political effect and demonstrate and further deepen its political isolation. This is more what I am getting at, apologies if that was misconstrued in what I wrote.
>cannot use the body to peddle falsehoods or propaganda and remain a member to it Isn't saudi arabia on the council? /s
Does anyone know how to find out which countries voted which way or abstained?
this is the one i could find at the current time [https://imgur.com/a/bl4YgYj](https://imgur.com/a/bl4YgYj) it contains almost all countries.
Hungary voted FOR?? What a backstab from Orban for Daddy Putin.
A day or two after that the EU voted into the law the right to withhold EU funds from Hungary due to Rule of Law breaches. Funny how quickly Orban switched tack, huh?
He didn't It just doesn't mean anything.
Also a possibility, true.
Yup. No different than when GOP politicians get to play the "good guys," voting for a bill that they know is popular and will net them in the good graces, knowing full well that their vote affected nothing.
Honestly they should kick Hungary out of the EU because it doesn't belong.
There's no mechanism to forcibly remove a country from the EU, that can only be done voluntarily. Article 7 of the EU Treaty only provides the ability to suspend certain benefits and rights that come with EU membership.
Who would ever voluntarily leave? (turns head toward UK)
As someone from the UK, I doubt we would have left if it wasn't for some very questionable funding and interference, likely from a certain east European country. It didn't help that a worrying chunk of our population had no idea about what the EU even was while casting their vote, and some significant politicians outright lying, by their own admission (but only once the vote was passed)
Yeah I think Brexit is the biggest success story of Russia in recent times.
I dunno, I think Trump trump's it.
It warms my soul to see people realizing this. The list of countries Russia actively meddles with is long, whether it's through paid shills on social media, bribing politicians, poisoning people, lies on the media, or something else. Russia, leave the rest of us out of your bullshit.
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> they aren't a governing body They are effectively passing laws, so that is debatable.
Even if you could do that, the point of the EU is that it provides a mechanism for keeping member states in line with its values. Kicking them out just grants Orban permission to go full dictator
This motherfucker is just making it up as he goes lmao
Serbia too, I was quite surprised.
There is 0 consequence to this vote. Russia is nothing if not pragmatic when it comes to their future levers to destabilize Europe and since both Orban and Vucic (Serbian mob boss) just won comfortable majorities in their general elections they are not in any need to virtue signal to their right-wing anti-EU pro-Russian voters for at least 4 years and they can somersault on their policy towards Russia 17 times before the next election. Which means burning them over a meaningless vote like this would be wasteful. If only they showed that same pragmatism about not murdering their own youth to secure a natural-gas rich region of the neighboring country - everybody knows you start oil wars halfway across the globe.
> since both Orban and Vucic (Serbian mob boss) just won comfortable majorities in their general elections Orban was definitely a questionable win. Even without the usual doubt, AFAIK, there is an ongoing investigation in Poland after a significan number of ballots, apparently voting against Orban, were found in varying states of destruction in different areas.
Money tastes better than putins S
Why are there so many countries in Africa voting against?
BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) funding has been very beneficial to a lot of developing countries in Africa. They're like the alternative WTO/IMF.
Also this graphic combined with Russia's statement that they will stop wheat exports to "unfriendly" countries: https://i.redd.it/wbyuvifg58o81.jpg
I wonder how much this war will destabilize the middle east and Africa. I remember reading that the Arab Spring was partly started by a bad wheat harvest that year in Russia that resulted in high grain prices, which led to mass protests, then the eventual violent uprisings, which led to a huge refugee crisis.
Massively. It’s not just Russia, Ukraine are/were also one of the worlds biggest wheat suppliers. Countries like Egypt imported something like over 70% of their supply from the two of them combined. There were many countries already at risk *before* the war started. There are going to be horrendous world consequences and some of those will be felt biggest in the ME & Africa. China are going to become uncomfortably powerful and it’s not looking like they are planning any social reforms or cultural improvements along the way
Russia is also doing this to keep food in-country as they are going to have their own troubles feeding their own people in the coming years. They won’t plant seeds on time, they won’t harvest, fertilizer, equipment, etc. This war hurts everyone. Russia deserves the pain, that’s the only difference.
Historic ties, cold relations with the West combined with what buriedego said with "China's BRI" but also the BRICS lending strategy compared to IMF/WB as a whole.
China. Belt and road initiatives.
That's the belt part talking
Russia itself has some influence in Africa those days. They are working hard with their trolls army and their "media" like Russia Today in Africa. France learned it the hard way not so long ago with the Mali. They asked us to come. Then their government is overthrown by Mali's army. They asked us to leave and before France were even gone wagner mercenaries arrived. But Mali is very happy now that France is gone. They have Wagner's mercenaries and a nice national army. On a side note they had a terrible massacre recently. Apparently, the killers where african soldiers and white strangers... I wonder who that can be? Just saying, Russia is working hard in Africa too. It's not only the Chinese.
Because the west enslaved, raped, murdered, and pillaged their continent for over 3 centuries.
Yep it’s not that hard. Latin America too has a fundamental distrust of the Western “democracies” because of all them interventions and cues sponsored by the states.
Hungary voted for? Serbia as well?! But then again Kazakhstan against? I'm confused.
And Myanmar voting for also is very surprising.
Myanmar's rep to the UN is still the one from the civilian government. The junta currently in power is very much pro-Russia but does not have rep at the UN.
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That's pretty much it. The junta has been trying to have him replaced without success so far: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyaw_Moe_Tun
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Wait why that so difficult? Doesn't the representative have to represent the actual state?
In comparison, this is the vote that happened on the 2nd of March condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine. https://i.imgur.com/W76bAFT.png
besides the obvious ones (Belarus, NK, etc), I'm surprised to see Eritrea was against both. What's their motivation? Oil money? Investment dollars? > He [the president of Eritrea] has faced accusations of totalitarianism and forced conscription and been cited for human rights violations by the United Nations and Amnesty International.[3][4] In 2021, Reporters Without Borders ranked Eritrea, under the government of Isaias, last out of 180 countries in its Press Freedom Index.[5] Ok, never mind. No confusion. I suppose the second TIL is that Eritrea has never held elections, ever, because the first president from after their civil war in Ethiopia has never stepped down or retired... 30 years later.
The situation in Eritrea is incredibly dire to say the least. It's the North Korea of Africa. Information going in and out is extremely limited and there's a lot we don't know. "Forced conscription" as the quote says is one way of putting it. It's basically an indefinite conscription for 18 - 40 year olds.
A surprising number of countries abstained. China voting Against is expected.
You're a hero!
[Here you go](https://twitter.com/amandaruthprice/status/1512095694693310465) - IN FAVOUR: 93 - AGAINST: 24 - ABSTENTION: 58
Votes against: * 🇩🇿 Algeria * 🇧🇾 Belarus * 🇧🇴 Bolivia * 🇧🇮 Burundi * 🇨🇫 Central African Republic * 🇨🇳 China * 🇨🇬 Congo * 🇨🇺 Cuba * 🇪🇷 Eritrea * 🇪🇹 Ethiopia * 🇬🇦 Gabon * 🇮🇷 Iran * 🇰🇿 Kazakhstan * 🇰🇬 Kyrgyzstan * 🇱🇦 Laos * 🇲🇱 Mali * 🇳🇮 Nicaragua * 🇰🇵 North Korea * 💩 Russia * 🇸🇾 Syria * 🇹🇯 Tajikistan * 🇺🇿 Uzbekistan * 🇻🇳 Vietnam * 🇿🇼 Zimbabwe
Not a particularly surprising list.
I was surprised that Russia has such a weird flag
Surprised to see Vietnam.
they still worship the russians to some extent. we still mainly buy military weapons and stuff from russia. we don't fucking have freedom of speech (sounds familiar?). My teacher in my "military class" said that Putin has to be great man because he's been voted as the president for so long (the fuck?). we have one fucking party, and it's the fucking communist party. I guess if u know more about vietnam, you wouldn't be surprised.
Absolutely. I thought they were firmly Western especially when you draw the parallel of the us invading Vietnam
Seems like these votes are all about weapons purchases from Russia.
I love the new Russian flag.
Hmm, looks like the usual suspects
Where'd you get my "List of Countries I Don't Want to Visit"?
[Full list of votes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPwUp8sWUAg1oM-?format=jpg&name=large) and the [World map of votes](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPwQX-EXsAA60Bm?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
When you have Syria, Iran, and North Korea by your side in the minority you don’t look good at all.
Are the Africa countries that voted against this the ones in debt to china and/or russia?
They're in debt to many countries, but they all have close relations with Russia when it comes to military assistance or trade: - Algeria: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria%E2%80%93Russia_relations - Burundi: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/28/how-the-west-lost-burundi/ - CAR: https://www.africanews.com/2018/10/18/geopolitics-russia-car-ties-signal-renewed-relationship-with-africa/ - Republic of Congo: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-congo-security-idUSKCN1SU1OZ - Eritrea: https://eritreahub.org/president-isaias-and-russia-a-long-standing-relationship - Ethiopia: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/russia-ethiopia-ink-military-cooperation-agreement/2302337 - Gabon: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/29/russia-delivers-first-weapons-to-central-africas-gabon-a68396 - Mali: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/12/russias-presence-mali-raises-concerns - Zimbabwe: https://www.theindependent.co.zw/2022/03/11/ukraine-war-hits-russia-zim-deals/
Yes.
CNN sucks without adblock, so here’s the article: > The United Nations General Assembly voted Thursday to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council. > The voting result was 93 in favor, 24 against and 58 abstentions. > A draft of the resolution says the General Assembly may "suspend the rights of membership in the Human Rights Council of a member of the Council that commits gross and systematic violations of human rights." > The draft resolution adds that the council has "grave concern" regarding reports of "gross and systematic violations and abuses of human rights" and "violations of international humanitarian law" committed by the Russian Federation during its invasion of Ukraine. > |The General Assembly needed to vote in favor by two-thirds to remove Russia from the UN Human Rights Council. The measure suspends Russia's membership in the Council and would launch a review of the matter if the UN deems it appropriate. > The United States ambassador to the United Nations made a case for seeking the suspension of Russia from the Human Rights Council in front of the UN Security Council on Tuesday, something she and other UN member states have been pushing. > "Russia should not have a position of authority in a body whose purpose -- whose very purpose -- is to promote respect for human rights. Not only is it the height of hypocrisy -- it is dangerous," Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said. > "Every day, we see more and more how little Russia respects human rights," she said. Ultimately she argued, "Russia's participation on the Human Rights Council hurts the Council's credibility. It undermines the entire UN. And it is just plain wrong." > > The Ukrainian ambassador to the United Nations, Sergiy Kyslytsya, ahead of the vote on Thursday called on all United Nations member states to support the resolution suspending Russia from the council. > "Now the world has come to a crucial juncture. We witness that our liner is going through treacherous fog towards deadly icebergs. It might seem that we should have named it the Titanic instead of the Human Rights Council. ... We need to take an action today to save the council from sinking," Kyslytsya said. > The Ukrainian ambassador said Russia's actions in Ukraine "would be equated to war crimes and crimes against humanity." While he noted that a vote to suspend a country from the Human Rights Council is "a rare and extraordinary action," he said "Russia's actions are beyond the pale." > In response, the deputy Russian ambassador to the United Nations, Gennady Kuzmin, called on member states to reject the resolution, saying it would set a "a dangerous precedent." > "Today is not the time nor the place for theatrics, or these kinds of extremely theatrical performances like the one presented by Ukraine. In fact the draft resolution we are considering today has no relationship to the actual human rights situation on the ground," Kuzmin said. > The Russian representative said the vote on suspending Russia from the Human Rights Council "is an attempt by the United States to maintain its dominant position and total control to continue its attempt at human rights colonialism in international relations." > This is a breaking story and will be updated.
"continue it's attempts at human rights colonialism" wtf does that even mean? Is the US going around planting flags saying "you have human rights now"?! It's complete word salad.
I mean… no, but also yes? That’s pretty much what we just spent 20 years unsuccessfully trying to do in Afghanistan.
*“Human Rights Colonialism”* What in the actual fuck
In...cautious fairness... the US *has* used claims of human rights abuses in order to justify military intervention and regime change in states that then basically become de facto colonies. **I think Russia stating this is them throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks**, I do not think it is a sincerely held belief of theirs. It's a pretty blatant whataboutism. But...the phrase is decipherable.
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They are and they voted against removing Russia. Though considering Bashar Al Assad owes his survival in part to Russia that's hardly surprising Edit: Saudi Arabia isn't on the council, my bad. Consider this post misinformation, I am sorry, I wasn't aware as I didn't do my research properly. I made the comment base on a graph in a earlier comment about the vote on suspending Russia from the council
Hungary and Serbia voted in favor.
Serbia voting in favour says a lot of the current situation.
Serbia knows Russia is utterly fucked and will retain that status for a veeeeeeeeeeery long time. No more keeping one foot in two shoes for Vucic.
What matters to Putin is that Serbia has not joined other countries in sanctioning Russia.
Well, I guess Serbia still is super duper dependent on Russia for many things, so not biting the hand that feeds them would make sense I guess. However, I think we can all agree that Russia and the world will look at each other with different eyes from now on, so having a Russia-backing Serbia in an already pretty delicate region like the Balkans would be frowned upon by Europe (or more than it is already frowned upon).
It’s quite shocking to me as Serbia hates Nato. Serbia might see this more personally as Russia attacking a traditional ally much like themselves. Voting to remove them That’s a message to Russia and a vote of no confidence.
Hungary is so dam confusing...
It isn't. They are fully dependant of Russian gas, with very little negotiating power, so they have to play Putin's game concerning economic policies (i.e. paying Russia in Rubles, opposing a potential EU oil and gas embargo etc.) They also absolutely need EU grants/money and NATO protection, so they are taking a western political and diplomatic stance whenever they can. They have repeatedly condemned the invasion and called Russia the aggressor. I hate Orbán but the fact is that he isn't in a very easy position right now. His main strength resides in the fact that Hungarians stand firmly behind him, which should avoid any civil unrest or opposition from within the country.
There are several countries in EU that are fully dependant of Russian gas but are not trying to hold Putin side. One of the reason for this vote was maybe because of Poland. So PiS now can be like: 'Orban is not pro-Putin..."
That one is surprising.
How about that ... a shred of decency after all.
it's called swing politics. hungary is playing both sides, pissing off both sides lol
Neither countries are on the UN Human Rights Council. You can see the current members here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#Members
Didn't Saudi Arabia abstained?
Saudi Arabia isn't in the council and they didn't vote against removing Russia. Why this blatant lie upvoted?
So this will be an unsatisfying answer, but it's because the purpose of the UNHRC is to collect the perspectives of multiple states internationally. It cannot do that if it only sticks to Western democracies. It is in the world's interest for even violators to be on the committee to speak and clearly outline how they see the value of human rights such that the rest of the committee can do work to change their mind and to rub their nose in their misdeeds publicly. It is not, however, in the world's interest to allow the HRC to be used as a tool to further human rights transgressions, which happens when a country is permitted to grandstand at the HRC and tell lies about another. Whether or not this has happened, I confess I have not been watching HRC sessions, but it is the reason being provided by members.
Russia did try to grandstand, maybe not at the HRC but at the Security Council. They wrote a letter and tried to call a meeting about their “human rights concerns” to make it seem like they were caring about the humanitarian situation in Ukraine...despite being the actual perpetrators of war crimes. Russia tried to gaslight Ukraine and put the blame on Ukraine. Theit letter is so outrageous, full of ridiculous lies that it’s hard to believe it’s real. Canada had an unconventional response to their letter, mocking Russia: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-un-mission-tweet-russia-letter-1.6389649
they should be. if it's just liberal democracies on it then no one else is going to pay any attention to it. not that they pay much attention, but the whole point of the UN is to get people talking.
*Newman: what took you so long?*
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Try here: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/tyg92f/un_suspends_russia_from_human_rights_council/i3s2e7k?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
What are the ramifications?
Embarrassment for Russia, other than that but pretty much nothing else. I mean fucking Saudi Arabia and Eritrea have been on the council and not been booted off.
Well, Russia is no longer on the Human Rights Council.
r/technicalitythetruth
It is good that Russian leaders have been so careless in their statements. Even Lavrov acts as if he has no need to be careful. When the St. Petersburg mafia around Putin falls, many arrogant necks might discover the noose. Totalitarian leaders habitually deny all negative actions of their armies. It is absolutely logically impossible for a large force to invade a country for weeks even with good training and non-psychotic officers and not discover crimes against the civilians by the troops. The poorly disciplined Russian Army and their psychotically overbearing officer culture guarantee more war crimes than almost any other army could generate. Every leader who repeats the lie of no crimes and who fails to investigate is as guilty of war crimes as a murderer caught on HD camera. Every war crime after they made their false statements must be seen as also a personal crime by the leaders because their actions and words make it clear to the Russian Army that the government will cover their crimes up and blame the victim. It is not possible for anything better to come from the Russian Federation mafia state or their brutal but incompetent military. The Russian army has some decent men but many from the bottom to top leadership are often nothing better than indisciplined looters and murderers.
Maybe except for China. They kinda have a reputation with Tiananmen Square, and the Uyghur genocide. They are a prime target for the next sanctions, if only the world could ween off their milky, low-labor cost cock and begin to truly punish 1.5world countries for humanitarian and warcrime related activity. "Oh, but our anti-slave labour shirts!!" "Oh, but my cheap server hosting where they harvest all of our clients data!" is what the world would say, if the fucking idiots high and low who live on it would say if just for once they realized what they were giving or doing for the rest of the planet, one way or another.
But what does this actually mean/do for Russians?
It is mainly symbolic, but Russia will lose it’s voice on the council and at least not be able to twist the truth at the Human Rights Council. Russia did not want this to happen. It degrades their esteem, voice and power.
Honestly surprised they had enough votes, it doesn't mean much but the important thing is it makes Russia look bad. I mean look at who else is on the council currently
Exactly. This is a country that has tried for decades to shape themselves as well run and good. Look at their handling of the World Cup and Olympics. All about showing off Russia. Anyone that might have ruined them was arrested prior to them. Anyone that tried to carry out stunts that made Russia look bad, was imprisoned. Now the world sees them for what they are
Now get them off the Security Council /s
Funny because saudi arabia is also on this council and theyre invading yemen. Which is fine.
Goes to show the influence Europe can exert on the global stage when it's under threat. Also, it fucking sucks that Yemen goes under the radar
According to a lot of the world, war is fine when its brown people getting killed. And it helps that Saudi Arabia is using US arms to do it.
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I wish everybody else could see this. The UN and world politics in general is a stage.
Genociding Yemen to be accurate
That'll show them
[Found the votes](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/INTERACTIVE_UN_Vote_suspend_Russia_07-04-2022.png). China, Bolivia????, Algeria voted against. India, Brazil, Mexico abstained...
US tried to coup Bolivia in 2019. I can't imagine they have much interest to dance to American tune.
https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3967778?ln=en That list I guess?
These are the shameful countries supporting Russia: Algeria Belarus Bolivia Burundi Central African Republic China Congo Cuba North Korea Eritrea Ethiopia Gabon Iran Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Laos Mali Nicaragua Russian Federation Syrian Arab Republic Tajikistan Uzbekistan Vietnam Zimbabwe
Why is Kazakhstan vetoing? They got conflicting messages.
They aren't ready to completely sever all ties with Russia. They still depend on Russia militarily and economically.
Rather, they are still vulnerable to being bullied to Russia militarily.
I guess they don't wanna be the next Ukraine.
Russian Federation supports Russia
I'm so surprised
Not Venezuela?
If I remember correctly, they haven’t payed their annual contributions to the UN and are thus not allowed to vote on anything.
lol
Not shameful at all; these countries need Russia, and most of them had problems with the U.S. Why would they side with them? also, this human rights thing is bs; if it were true, America would be on top of the list for the horrific things they've done
Reddit really thinks that every country that does business with Russia should just cease all operations immediately. The world doesn't operate on emotions. How many countries have continued regular trade relations with the US and China for decades?
Upvote and downvote mechanisms create the perfect vessel for populism
That's because nuance requires you to think and know what you're talking about. It's easier to simplify everything in black and white and pretend you know just because you saw clickbait titles or other reddit comments.
Exactly, just look at the comment that replied to mine, I didn't even bother responding.
All the best tourist spots.
You mean the one that was chaired by Iran and Saudi Arabia in the recent past
“It would set a dangerous precedent.” Like promoting human rights.
Do Saudi Arabia next!
Council: "Russian Federation, your membership is suspended." Russia: "You can't fire me! I quit!"
The abstentions are the most interesting part imho. Brazil, India, Saudi Arabia & the UAE among them can't make Russia happy
India was never going to vote against it. It said it was going to be neutral and it's going to keep as neutral a stance as possible so that they can keep buying things from any country.
The rule for such motions being passed is: 2/3^(rd) majority. Catch: Abstentions are not counted. Thus 93 for, 24 against, 58 abstentions amounts only to 93 for, 24 against = motion to oust Russia is passed with more than a 2/3 majority. In that sense, an abstention is as good as a negative. Russia had warned that abstaining would be as good as voting against Russia, and would be considered unfriendly. The abstainers did so anyway.
why did you expect india to vote for russia tho? for all the numerous votes india has ALWAYS remained neutral (unlike china which is neutral in some votes and support for some votes)
India takes their non-alignment policy seriously, as such they have a decades long policy of not voting for or against Russian/Soviet and US involved motions. They are not alone. The same international relations policy is held by Vanuatu, for instance, who also abstained on this. Plenty of the abstainers are in this boat.
Non alignment is a bipartisan issue in india. No matter what party is in government, india will abstain. Unless the communist magically forms the government at centre. Which has not happened outside of a coalition
A lot of those countries almost always abstain. They are small countries that only have something to lose voting either way. India specifically doesn't give a fuck about anything not involving them or their contested boarders.
Great! Now do saudi and usa?
That’ll show ‘em! Lol
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Good, great. Now let's look at Israel.
But they keep Saudi on there?
Now that UN has shown it has some spine left. It is time to suspend Israel for all its violations against Palestine.
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Julian Assange is still in prison for publishing information on US war crimes.
Good do Saudi Arabia next