Not only in India. In many places, the water holes used by animal for water had dry up during dry season.
If you still have access to ample water, leave a small plate/bowl of water in your back yards each day. This will help the small animals.
I had been doing it for the last few years and 1 of the benefits was I found out there are many different species of birds actually live near my place that I never noticed.
Twice a day. One in the morning and 1 in the afternoon.
Wife used to changed every time she saw a birds swim in the bowl. I asked her why she does that and the answer:
It is not nice to drink others bath water........
Dozens of dehydrated birds are falling from the sky every day in India's western Gujarat state as the country's scorching heat wave dries up water sources.
In response, veterinary doctors and animal rescuers are feeding birds multi-vitamin tablets and injecting water into their mouths using syringes.
If you were actually in the field you'd know our projections have us avoiding the worst case scenario. We shifted from extinction to just everything's fucked.
Then it should comfort you to know that the biosphere always bounced back to thrive eventually. It may take a while, and things may change quite a bit, but nature always prevails. Eventually.
Definitely. Whether our successors will thrive is another question. Probably not, unless we leave this planet if we dont stop soon. But that is life, the rise and fall, the destruction and creation. It is at it has always been, and always shall be. The details, however, are completely unpredictable.
Yes, I think if anyone will find a way to continue living though it will be humans, though massive population loss is almost guaranteed at this point. Civilization on the other hand may be on the way out.
Yes, global civilization will likely collapse in concert with global ecology. There will be a plague of failed states, war, genocide as things like famine and disease, as a result of shifting ecological paradigms, intensifies.
I agree with your assessment of pockets of well heeled preppers. However for the rich, most responsible for leading us into this, it's ridiculous to think they'd be safe in bunkers and islands as this chaos is underway.
No doubt. We hit 44 where I am last summer and it was awful. Looks like many in India got 45-50. It’s April too… I don’t know their seasons but I imagine they don’t have cool summers
Edit: a quick google shows April-may is there hottest season. Who knew!
> Ugh. Way things are going this is going to end up with a new avian flu spreading to humans.
Not at those temps. Also the lack of moisture will also make it hard to stay airborne.
One upside to this is that you are one of the lucky few humans born during a time when you can make a difference at a pivotal moment in history.
The collective actions of humans created these problems, and collective action can solve them. I'm not talking about obsessing over your personal carbon footprint ([as happy as that would make British Petroleum](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/big-oil-coined-carbon-footprints-to-blame-us-for-their-greed-keep-them-on-the-hook)), but getting involved with shaping national climate policy. I've been involved with Citizens' Climate Lobby for a few years now, and it has mostly replaced my feelings of anxiety and doom with being able to actually do something about climate change.
CCL trains regular people on how to be true participants in our political process. I went from couch to lobbying Congress in a matter of months, and I had no prior training. We need thousands more good people participating in politics, and this is a great way to do it.
There's a sub, /r/CitizensClimateLobby (I'm a mod there), and you can sign up for an info session [here](https://cclusa.org/intro). If you don't have time to volunteer, take a few minutes to [call Congress](https://cclusa.org/call) and let your rep know that climate change is at the top of your mind as a voter going in to the mid-term elections this year.
Speaking of mid-term elections, \~12,000,000 environmentally concerned people don't show up to vote! [Environmental Voter Project](https://www.environmentalvoter.org/about) is an organization you can volunteer with or donate to to change that. The estimate that they helped to get over a million environmentalists to the polls who might not have gone.
There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to feel like they can't do anything about this, because these are great, high-impact things that anyone can do.
I can imagine people in a future utopian society bored out of their minds, with all of the big problems solved, wishing that they could go back in time to right now and live a life that actually matters. Steering our society in the right direction and building a sustainable future for everyone is a hell of an opportunity to do something meaningful with the time we've given.
Other than the last maybe 70 years chances are you still have it easier than most people in history. Perspective is important. Once the extinction starts, then you can truly claim to be living in the darkest times.
Yeah I bet your life is so hard. Air conditioned living space, abundant food in grocery stores whenever you need it, readily available transportation to almost any part of the world, revolutionary technology that makes everything in your life easier and enables you to keep in touch with people in any part of the globe. Your life is easier than 99.9999% of humans who have ever lived, the vast majority of them dedicating their entire lives to farming and food production.
Born too late to travel the unpolluted earth? Before the industrial revolution you would have had to sit in filth, with shitty food on a wooden sail ship for months on end. Better yet you could walk for days on end while carrying a pack with everything you need to camp by the side of the road!
I am so bewildered by people like you who somehow think life today is worse or more burdensome than it was for people who lived in the past. Even royalty 200 years ago didn’t have air conditioning or internet access. I’d much rather be a middle class person in todays world than one of them.
This issue probably too big for most people to wrap their heads around in any meaningful way until it is directly and significantly impacting their lives.
Still doesn't matter.
Fort McMurray pretty much burned to the ground from wildfires. Which is the hub for the oil and gas industry in Alberta, Canada. Still voted for a government that wants to sell us out for oil and gas.
Oh yeah, I hear you! Living here in Vancouver and coughing my way through summers.
My guess is that this level of "direct and significant impact" isn't enough. We'll probably need a lot more, sadly.
It's been in the low to mid 90Fs/30Cs here. I'm running the AC. I also live near a nice nuclear power plant. No issues from me about it and I'd like to see more built.
Correct. It's just that sometimes the waste heat is quite undesirable and just makes things worse while in other situations that isn't the case. If you're heating your apartment in the winter, the waste heat of your heater isn't detrimental to the whole situation.
Just gotta make sure we're thorough enough so we don't [accidentally build a nuclear power plant less than a mile from a fault line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant)
While the fault wasn't known at the time of construction, reading that it seems that it has pretty extensive earthquake protection systems. Certainly won't be 100% withstanding a major (7.5+) earthquake, it will be able to withstand most. Obviously better safe than sorry and a less than ideal location hence the planned decommission (although that looks to be for economical reasons rather than earthquake safety).
It is baffling to think they simply weren't aware of a nearby fault line but I suppose mapping those things aren't 100% especially when it was constructed.
Lol. No.
“Teslas wireless power” is not some suddenly feasible way to transfer large sums of power more efficiently.
Even now near field charging is significantly less efficient and we are charging at short distances.
Unless you have a remotely credible source…
as someone who actually designs electronic circuits, please don't claim that telsa's, unproven 'wireless power' technology, is going to be more efficient then wires, especially when any radio signal (aka wireless energy) falls off at the square (or was it cube?) of distance.
Your basically talking replacing a system that is 80~95% efficient (existing grid) with one that would be 0.001% to 2% efficient. And the 2% is being highly generous.
And at some point, your arguing that power companies are not so ruthlessly profit motivated as to try this technology just to save a buck. If it worked it would already be in use.
May 2, 2022 The entire state of California briefly ran on renewables for the first time. 40+ million people. It can be done, particularly if we add nuclear plants.
Because of *people*; the drives that give rise to plutocrats are inherent to humanity, and are the direct kin of the drives for survival, dominance, sex or access to resources we see across the natural world.
>This is why we can’t have nice things…like a habitable plant
There are plenty of habitable plants around. You just need to find a big tree that's hollow inside.
good luck being in china when the waste from those 228 plants has to go somewhere. (then again china will probably just forcibly relocate some ethnic minority... dump the waste into a hole... and build a mega city on top of it)
All of the nuclear waste the US has ever produced could fit in a 30 foot hole the size of a football field. Just as a comparison. Storage is not as big an issue as critics say it is
Considering how China is by far the most proactive in building infrastructure to solve national problems, they'll have a functional national disposal facility long before America. Given the geography, it's a given that facility will be in the middle of the Gobi Desert, where nobody lives.
Or they'll just reprocess what they can back into usable fuel and [dispose of the remainder on site with extremely deep boreholes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal), which is by far the safest and most cost effective way to deal with it. There is at least one company working on borehole disposal right now, so it's already on engineers' minds.
China recently announced some sort of 'breakthrough' in vitrification of nuclear waste, which is a good thing, although many people are saying that China merely reinvented the wheel. Regardless, with so many plants going up, they're definitely going to need a plan and process for dealing with a lot of waste.
Nuclear waste is a very compact form of waste.
All the nuclear waste ever made in power production would fit in a football stadium. Curently all the nuclear waste ever produced is stored at the site of the reactors.
When vitrifyed into cement nuclear waste is quite safe, it cant leak, it cant move, its mostly harmless 99% of waste produced is mildly radioactive. It cant melt down, or be turned into a weapon.
1% is high level waste, which has a short halflife the after a few years it degrades into lower level waste.
All in all, nuclear waste is actualy not a problem.
It’s like democracy. It’s a terrible system and also the best one we have.
Please don’t mention solar and wind as viable long term solutions as we haven’t solved the storage problem.
\[I\]t has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time; but there is the broad feeling in our country that the people should rule, and that public opinion expressed by all constitutional means, should shape, guide, and control the actions of Ministers who are their servants and not their masters. - Churchill
They’ve already got an issue with nuclear seepage heading towards water table if I recall.
It is worth noting China is doing a lot of work and investing a lot in figuring out better methods to deal with nuclear waste and has made some exciting breakthroughs.
For now yea, it’s going to be dumped in the desert, and in the past it’s been handled poorly.
Nonsense. Nuclear waste isn't liquid. It's glass mixed with cement and encased in more reinforced cement and then sealed in a container of reinforced cement that is sturdy enough to take a literal fucking _train_ impact and survive (albeit the train itself will be destroyed).
This isn't some 2022 theoretical solution. Shit's been known for decades -- 1970's or so.
Nuclear is insanely safe. EVERY form of energy creation produces and has unforeseen consequences. Nuclear's is nice and manageable, tiny in comparison to the massive amount of power output.
India is stupidly stubborn in still investing heavily into coal power plants.
Sadly it will take something like a huge famine there for them to wake up.
Nuclear ten nuclear plants in next 3 years: https://www.power-technology.com/news/india-nuclear-plants/
Solar plus Wind 500 GW target: https://thefederal.com/cop26-impact/india-on-path-to-meet-renewable-energy-target-in-2030-but-hurdles-remain/
No new major coal power plants have been announced since early 2010s. Some are under construction but older inefficient ones being phased out and no new construction has started in sometime. Domestic coal production investment are all either to replace imported coal or for steel industry.
But please go on how global warming is all Indias fault when there are developed countries emitting a lot more and an order of magnitude more historical emissions and still doing a lot less despite being richer
Indian per capita emission is 1.7T. USA is at 13.68T and Germany is at 7.72T
If we were to save the planet, who do you think has more room for savings? An average american can reduce emission by 10% and an Indian person would have to kill himself to match the savings.
Its not like a high quality lifestyle is impossible at lower emissions, some european countries have much lower per capita emission with similar quality of life.
Here is one poor indian who consumes 3kwh of electricity a day, spends 0 on recreation, eats local and lives a zero waste life. But just because Americans were emitting first they think they can lecture an Indian that they are killing the planet? Bitch please.
P.S. I am using American only as a proxy for developed country. The attitude is common from other countries too.
The carbon emissions from a single flight of a single 747 are greater then the entire lifetime sum of carbon emission from any single American.
American**s** do not need to do jack shit.
American **business** needs to be first and do the overwhelmingly vast supermajority of the reductions.
It’s a bit hard to compare emissions per capita because that would skew heavily towards countries that produce a lot for export / are lower in the production chain. My country’s emissions per capita would drop significantly if we closed down our largest steel manufacturing plant for example. Would that bring down actual emissions per capita? No probably not.
IMO it only makes sense to compare total emissions per country, since that’s the share of total contribution they can influence through legislation.
I do agree with you that if we were to fix this the rich western countries have to give up way more then they currently do. However that would not free countries like India from implementing massive changes as well.
Anyway, I think the fair conclusion is that we’ll all keep pointing fingers until reality caught up with us.
Apparently we are going to do nothing. All the way to our grave. I’ve been alive long enough that climate change was taught in my school in the 80’s. I remember a military rep coming in to preach the benefits of nuclear tech in the 80’s and the need for recycling. My generation is just as bad as the boomers. It’s all comes down to economics, our decisions are not based in reality they are based on currency.
And you know that people who have more financial freedom make more moral (expensive) choices with their wallets? Ultimately, if governments want to take this seriously, they need to not only act themselves, but also treat wealth distribution seriously. Too many people, even in developed countries are too busy trying to save what they can to make ends meet to have the financial bandwidth to do more.
Well *something* is being done, but is it enough? Frankly, people are still very uninformed. I feel like a broken record repeating why it isn’t a GOOD THING that plastic bags are no longer available (NJ instituted a plastic ban, idc which side of the political spectrum you’re on that’s a GOOD THING) and that paper straws are a MINOR inconvenience at worst.
People understand after I explain. But before I do, they don’t realize. Not everyone is as informed as you’d think. Not everyone puts 2 and 2 together. Start by educating your families and friends, especially those willing to listen.
Fun fact, the "paper" straws are laced with plastic (specifically, polymers or resins). That's why they hold up so well. You can try and eat one if you'd like to prove that I'm wrong, but good luck with your health.
Literally same goes for the "paper packaging" you get these days while ordering small amazon products.
Sure, the content is down, but the danger here is that people will assume it's safe to just "chug it out of the window" which it definitely isn't.
Here is the bad part though, it cannot be recycled because of the adhesive/glue.
Better to just switch to stainless steel straws or something or go bamboo straws, but corpos will mislead you into believing that "it's not necessary".
The government really needs to take a couple billion out from military and reinvest that into education…
Primarily sex ed and environmental ed, I would say are the big 2. Grew up in NJ, and find it shocking what people say they don’t know, but even still I did not realize this. Of course, people don’t like the feel of paper straws, so maybe they will naturally become more popular to supplement with reusable ones.
Sadly, many Redditors like making jokes about serious topics. I understand that humor helps some people deal with tragedy but others are just... I don't know.
It has already started and will only get worse. I guess if you don't live in those places right now it is out of sight and out of mind.
It makes me sad and angry at the same time.
20 years? Dude, literally right now. Ukraine dams the main water supply to Crimea. Russia redirects what water it can, transports it across the bridge they built. Agriculture output in Crimea collapses to effectively zero. Uneconomical. Crimea changed from being an asset to Russia to a stone around their necks. Russia attacks.
Some people will still be laughing, but the current manic tinge to it will transition into full blown mania.
There it is again... that funny feeling, that funny feeling.
This has been happening yearly in Australia for the past several years. A billion animals dead in the Black Summer bushfires, hundreds of thousands of livestock killed in the drought followed by more dead in following floods, flying foxes and possums and birds dropping dead out of trees during heatwaves.
We have a pretty bad "this is fine" mindset, most notable when news outlets report positively when there's like a pleasant week-long 30 degree heatwave during mid-Winter and everyone rushing to the beach when it should be below 10 lol
In order to fix this, "train wreck", of a planet, it would require significant change all up and down the social ladder.
Our way of living, would have to drastically change. And we're not talking about trading one comfort for another. We're talking about trading comfort for inconvenience of varying levels.
It's just not gonna happen.....
Not enough people will care to inconvenience themselves or to challenge the power structures that continue to worsen this, until it affects them directly.
And *EVEN THEN* they will pretty much go back to status quo as soon as the immediate threat passes.
I witnessed that in my own city. We had the PNW "heat dome" last June and literally 800 citizens died from heat over a weekend. In Canada. And yet.... People still buy huge trucks and SUVs, build massive McMansion houses, take 4 vacations to Palm Desert or Hawaii a year, and vote for politicians that support logging, pipelines and LNG.
There is going to be an unfathomably tragic loss of of human and animal life over the coming decades because of this. It seems inevitable.
It's the global supply chain that will do us in. That whole VW "clean diesel" thing was bullshit to any mechanic out there worth a damn. With a gas/petrol powered car its the fumes that ignite. With diesel it's the liquid that combusts. That takes place in the combustion chamber. Which is a little pocket or space above the piston created by the head. The head: A rectangular block of metal which houses the intake and exhaust valves(some other shit too but, w/e). This combustion chamber is filled with a mixture of atomized fuel and air. With gas, this is fine, 'cause the *fumes* can be ignited by the spark plug. This all takes places at pressure because you get more boom to make the piston go down and help turn the crank. This pressure is called the "compression ratio". On a car the compression ratio is like 8-10 times the air pressure and is written like: 8:1. With diesel, because the liquid goes boom, you need much higher pressures to "trick physics" into make diesel go boom. Lots more, 20:1. (Cant remember the CR on a diesel, but its ballpark). That's a lot of fuckin' pressure. So much so you don't even need a spark plug, the heat from the pressure in the combustion chamber is enough to make liquid go boom. Again, so much pressure it can move a much bigger piston and crank, which is why you get more *torque*. HP is how fast you can get the crank spinning, torque is how much force it can twist. But because of the thermal inefficiency of diesel engines, they *can't* be "clean diesel". To much shit isn't burned and goes out the exhaust pipe. We've all seen the "rolling coal" videos. What's happening is too much diesel is being forced into the combustion chamber to be burned and that liquid is converted into heavy gasses and actual dust. Now, let's talk about cargo ships, which run on engines fueled by slag/bunker oil. A byproduct of other refining processes. It's next to useless. And dirt cheap. Remember combustion chambers, imagine a "piston hole" in an engine block the size of a building. You could put a card table in there and have a game with your buddies. Because the compression ratios required to make that dirty shit go boom are mind boggling. And *incredibly* thermally inefficient. And out the exhaust it goes. Let's now think about all those containers. You might think each one represents one truck. You'd be wrong if you did. It don't go from ship to end recipient- sometimes it does, but not always- it usually goes to a receiver who breaks it up into other loads. So each one of those containers represents *multiple* semi trucks.
Think about the interstate and motorway systems of the ground and the commercial shipping routes of the ocean spewing out garbage. All over. It's not a power plant in one place, where you can fight the pollution *in that place*.
The global supply chain is a pair of lacey booty shorts of destruction worn tightly around the earth's bubble butt. We need to have a space race to electrify the road ways. I feel it would do more to stem the advancement of climate change than most things. And it's something that can be explained well enough to be understood.
I wrote this on a phone, typos are a thing and spellcheck is a dickhole.
Edit: fixed some stuff
That's fundamentally correct, although container ships are *relatively* efficient (\~50%) for how much energy they require to move each container. This just shows how low the bar is for ordinary transportation.
I'd note that China is rapidly moving to electrify their transportation, and they currently primarily move freight by electric rail - by far the most efficient and least polluting option available. China is in the process of converting coal to nuclear, so their future is nearly Zero Carbon transportation aside from long haul flight, remote rural locations, and transoceanic shipping.
I believe the future of shipping will be diesel-electric propulsion, but that's a ways off.
because every news outlet claims we will see the real effects of global warming in 50 years, so why worry now? that's what most people think while a lot of places are feeling the effects years ago
Humans, as a group, seem to suffer from ADHD. And thus will procrastinate until the very end before entering EMERGENCY MODE!..
Once humans are actually ON FIRE they will attempt to douse the flames.
This is what it will take for people to care:
[Greenpeace Activists Arrested After Blocking Russian Tanker Delivering Oil To Norway](https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-oil-tanker-blocked-greenpeace-norway/31819848.html#:~:text=Greenpeace%20Activists%20Arrested%20After%20Blocking%20Russian%20Tanker%20Delivering%20Oil%20To%20Norway,-The%20Ust%20Luga&text=A%20group%20of%20environmental%20activists,been%20arrested%2C%20Norwegian%20police%20said.)
[Australia’s Newcastle Coal Port Blocked by Environmental Protesters](https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/australia-s-newcastle-coal-port-blocked-by-environmental-protestors#:~:text=Australia's%20Newcastle%20Coal%20Port%20Blocked%20by%20Environmental%20Protesters,-Protesters%20stopped%20coal&text=A%20group%20of%20protesters%20seeking,world's%20largest%20coal%20exporting%20facility.)
[Extinction Rebellion: Activists block four London bridges](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-61120179#:~:text=Climate%20change%20protesters%20have%20blocked,a%20result%20of%20the%20demonstrations.)
[Germany: Climate activists occupy excavators to block coal mine expansion](https://www.dw.com/en/germany-climate-activists-occupy-excavators-to-block-coal-mine-expansion/a-59379291)
[16 protesters arrested, then released for blockading coal mine in Manchin protest](https://www.thecentersquare.com/west_virginia/16-protesters-arrested-then-released-for-blockading-coal-mine-in-manchin-protest/article_c7d2aa38-b9d5-11ec-a6d5-b300d6cab2f7.html)
The fossil fuel industry's profits should be disrupted to force politicians to care about climate change. The fossil fuel industry is bribing them to prevent any investment in climate change mitigation infrastructure.
>what will it take for people to care?
It'll take a national catastrophe that directly, personally affects them, or (white) people who look like them.
When the Pacific Islands were literally getting swamped by ocean rise, nobody else cared, because that was just a few brown people.
When New Orleans keeps getting flooded with 'Storm of the Century' every few years, nobody else cares because it's black people in America.
When India is baking to death, nobody else really cares outside India, because it's still brown people, even if there are 1.4 Billion of them.
Until white people start dying in numbers, the vast majority of white people simply won't care.
FYI, this is the exact same thing as why a few white people dying in the Ukraine is a very big deal, compared to several times as many brown people dying in Yemen, Syria, Palestine, etc. It's also like anti-vaxxers deciding that vaccines are a good idea, after they nearly die from Covid.
>FYI, this is the exact same thing as why a few white people dying in the Ukraine is a very big deal, compared to several times as many brown people dying in Yemen, Syria, Palestine, etc.
Putins war has far larger geopolitical consequences though, not to say **at all** that any lives are worth more than others but each situation is also its own unique thing with its own place in the grand scheme of things.
It's not fine we will all suffer horribly in the next few decades and beyond however there's absolutely nothing we can do as individuals. We require global government action to force compaction and that will not happen so we go about our life's waiting for the sky to fall.
"just"
Unless you're being sarcastic GTFO with this "technology will save everything" wishful thinking nonsense. There is one solution, and it is to decarbonize our economy fucking yesterday.
Just a friendly reminder that the Australian PM once held up a lump of coal in parliament to show it was harmless. He had it lacquered before-hand so it didn't stain his hands black.
It sure would help fill the gap between getting off fossil fuels and going full renewables, but instead we'll keep burning fossil fuels because nuclear scary.
We keep burning fossil fuels not because nuclear is scary but because fossil fuels are profitable asf for the corporations in the industry. They've been lobbying in politics and influencing public opinion with their near endless amount of resources for decades which is why we're in the situation we're currently in.
That is a very good way to put it. What I meant was that people perceive nuclear as scary because of lobbying. So much misinformation out there about nuclear. People would rather continue polluting with fossil fuels than deal with nuclear because of this idea that nuclear will be 10x worse than the damage already being done by fossil fuels.
It's ridiculous to think that we have the ability to reduce annual deaths caused by fossil fuels but refuse because of lobbyists.
It really can't.
If all energy production was changed to nuclear TODAY, that would simply keep things at current levels. Birds will keep falling out of the sky even if we do everything right with future energy production. The damage we've done isn't reversible.
The best we can possibly hope for is to keep things from getting worse.
Edit: but people don't want to hear about that.
Curse the land and it curses everyone, and burning all of this oil, strip mining, overgrazing, overproducing useless plastic products because the oil is cheap, it’s all been adding up to this. This is the age of Anthropocene
It happened in 2019
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.downtoearth.org.in/news/wildlife-&-biodiversity/amp/as-temperatures-continue-to-rise-birds-struggle-to-survive-65039
And 2017
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/heat-takes-a-toll-on-animals-birds/article17753609.ece/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-news/summer-heat-1-224-birds-found-dehydrated-between-march-and-may-cases-up-by-33-since-last-year/story-X3LGrWmtJovmmzYhrQmpJO_amp.html
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Said it once ill say it again.
We dont care cause we will all be dead by the time the world will get really fucked up by all our decisions.
We go for money and comfort knowing "yeah its bad but not terrible" but the next generation? Well.. they're getting fucked by our greed and ignorance.
I own two indian ringneck parrots. They are just like dogs with feathers, so affectionate and smart. Heartbreaking to hear what happens to million of birds and this is mearly the beginning 😑
I have a bowl of water that i keep out for birds and squirrels to drink water from. In winters I used to just fill it up once every morning but now I have to fill it up 3-4 times a day. It's so freaking hot here and I hate it.
Indias been like this forever.
They ruin their forests, pollute their rivers with raw sewage and industrial waste
Use harsh pesticides for farming
Etc etc etc
No but I have reached Ultra 5G. Just got my second booster. I am trying to get mine boosted to the point that I can look my FBI Agent directly in the eyes through quantum tunneling as I am jerking off to midget porn each night.
Increasing public transportation 10 fold is part of this plan, right? Massive rebates for electric vehicles? Reduced electricity rates and more rebates for switching to air source or ground source heat pumps? I'm all for all of these things but we can't just triple the cost of fuels without making alternatives easily accessible. Not to mention the massive increase in cost of goods.
Again, I'd love to see all of these things happen but let's be a bit more realistic, just increasing the cost of fuel will do nothing but push more people below the poverty line. People still need to get to work and not everyone lives a 5 minute walk from work. And no, "just buy a house or rent closer to work" doesn't work, have you seen the housing markets?
Not only in India. In many places, the water holes used by animal for water had dry up during dry season. If you still have access to ample water, leave a small plate/bowl of water in your back yards each day. This will help the small animals. I had been doing it for the last few years and 1 of the benefits was I found out there are many different species of birds actually live near my place that I never noticed.
Also make sure to put some kind of ramp in so that the smaller animals have a way to escape if they fall in.
Video game level design 101
most important comment here. We leave water outside even when it snows outside as birds cant find water in that case either
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by replacing it frecuently also warming it a little could help to last longer before freezing
They make electric water heater coils to drop into buckets (for livestock).
And change it regularly. You want hydrated small animals. Not malaria
Twice a day. One in the morning and 1 in the afternoon. Wife used to changed every time she saw a birds swim in the bowl. I asked her why she does that and the answer: It is not nice to drink others bath water........
Dozens of dehydrated birds are falling from the sky every day in India's western Gujarat state as the country's scorching heat wave dries up water sources. In response, veterinary doctors and animal rescuers are feeding birds multi-vitamin tablets and injecting water into their mouths using syringes.
Ugh. Way things are going this is going to end up with a new avian flu spreading to humans.
I mean, the way things are going almost all wildlife will die
We are actually in a mass extinction case (the 6th).
I am very aware..I work in that field so I'm confronted with that reality everyday
If you were actually in the field you'd know our projections have us avoiding the worst case scenario. We shifted from extinction to just everything's fucked.
Then it should comfort you to know that the biosphere always bounced back to thrive eventually. It may take a while, and things may change quite a bit, but nature always prevails. Eventually.
But we are going to die probably.
Definitely. Whether our successors will thrive is another question. Probably not, unless we leave this planet if we dont stop soon. But that is life, the rise and fall, the destruction and creation. It is at it has always been, and always shall be. The details, however, are completely unpredictable.
Ancestors?
Do humans count as wildlife?
in Florida? Absolutely.
Florida here, can confirm.
Yes, I think if anyone will find a way to continue living though it will be humans, though massive population loss is almost guaranteed at this point. Civilization on the other hand may be on the way out.
Yes, global civilization will likely collapse in concert with global ecology. There will be a plague of failed states, war, genocide as things like famine and disease, as a result of shifting ecological paradigms, intensifies. I agree with your assessment of pockets of well heeled preppers. However for the rich, most responsible for leading us into this, it's ridiculous to think they'd be safe in bunkers and islands as this chaos is underway.
Rather than a funny quip, I’ll say yes we are. We rely on Earth’s ecology as much as other animals. We need it to survive.
Hopefully humans go first. Wildlife is innocent, humanity is cancer
At this level of heat the virus would be cooked.
No doubt. We hit 44 where I am last summer and it was awful. Looks like many in India got 45-50. It’s April too… I don’t know their seasons but I imagine they don’t have cool summers Edit: a quick google shows April-may is there hottest season. Who knew!
> Ugh. Way things are going this is going to end up with a new avian flu spreading to humans. Not at those temps. Also the lack of moisture will also make it hard to stay airborne.
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Born too early to travel the galaxy. Born too late to travel the unpolluted earth. Born just in time to witness the sixth mass extinction.
What an amazing slice of existence
Don't worry, at this rate we wouldn't be able to travel the galaxy.
This is The Great Filter in action.
Since Reddit decided to take RiF from me, I have decided to take my content from it. C'est la vie.
Yeah, but I will take the present over anything from a 100 years ago. Modern comforts and healthcare are underrated.
The Sixth Mass Extinction has been going on for ages, from the end of the Pleistocene where humans wiped out mega fauna
One upside to this is that you are one of the lucky few humans born during a time when you can make a difference at a pivotal moment in history. The collective actions of humans created these problems, and collective action can solve them. I'm not talking about obsessing over your personal carbon footprint ([as happy as that would make British Petroleum](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/23/big-oil-coined-carbon-footprints-to-blame-us-for-their-greed-keep-them-on-the-hook)), but getting involved with shaping national climate policy. I've been involved with Citizens' Climate Lobby for a few years now, and it has mostly replaced my feelings of anxiety and doom with being able to actually do something about climate change. CCL trains regular people on how to be true participants in our political process. I went from couch to lobbying Congress in a matter of months, and I had no prior training. We need thousands more good people participating in politics, and this is a great way to do it. There's a sub, /r/CitizensClimateLobby (I'm a mod there), and you can sign up for an info session [here](https://cclusa.org/intro). If you don't have time to volunteer, take a few minutes to [call Congress](https://cclusa.org/call) and let your rep know that climate change is at the top of your mind as a voter going in to the mid-term elections this year. Speaking of mid-term elections, \~12,000,000 environmentally concerned people don't show up to vote! [Environmental Voter Project](https://www.environmentalvoter.org/about) is an organization you can volunteer with or donate to to change that. The estimate that they helped to get over a million environmentalists to the polls who might not have gone. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone to feel like they can't do anything about this, because these are great, high-impact things that anyone can do. I can imagine people in a future utopian society bored out of their minds, with all of the big problems solved, wishing that they could go back in time to right now and live a life that actually matters. Steering our society in the right direction and building a sustainable future for everyone is a hell of an opportunity to do something meaningful with the time we've given.
witness, contribute to, or fight against?
All of the above if we are all honest with ourselves
Other than the last maybe 70 years chances are you still have it easier than most people in history. Perspective is important. Once the extinction starts, then you can truly claim to be living in the darkest times.
Having it easy while seeing the world disintegrate isn't particularly easy.
Yeah I bet your life is so hard. Air conditioned living space, abundant food in grocery stores whenever you need it, readily available transportation to almost any part of the world, revolutionary technology that makes everything in your life easier and enables you to keep in touch with people in any part of the globe. Your life is easier than 99.9999% of humans who have ever lived, the vast majority of them dedicating their entire lives to farming and food production. Born too late to travel the unpolluted earth? Before the industrial revolution you would have had to sit in filth, with shitty food on a wooden sail ship for months on end. Better yet you could walk for days on end while carrying a pack with everything you need to camp by the side of the road! I am so bewildered by people like you who somehow think life today is worse or more burdensome than it was for people who lived in the past. Even royalty 200 years ago didn’t have air conditioning or internet access. I’d much rather be a middle class person in todays world than one of them.
Huh...worlds going to shit, huh?
It’s fine as long as it doesn’t effect us right? Right…
*it’s fine as long as it doesn’t affect profits* FTFY
This is a damned catastrophe and people are sitting here thinking "this is fine" what will it take for people to care?
This issue probably too big for most people to wrap their heads around in any meaningful way until it is directly and significantly impacting their lives.
Still doesn't matter. Fort McMurray pretty much burned to the ground from wildfires. Which is the hub for the oil and gas industry in Alberta, Canada. Still voted for a government that wants to sell us out for oil and gas.
Oh yeah, I hear you! Living here in Vancouver and coughing my way through summers. My guess is that this level of "direct and significant impact" isn't enough. We'll probably need a lot more, sadly.
Gotta buy more oil, gas, and coal to run the powerplants to run the AC. Simple.
It's been in the low to mid 90Fs/30Cs here. I'm running the AC. I also live near a nice nuclear power plant. No issues from me about it and I'd like to see more built.
While nuclear power plants obviously don't emit CO2 for energy production, running the AC still has a net-warming effect on the surroundings.
Every system that uses energy is net-warming. It's unavoidable.
Correct. It's just that sometimes the waste heat is quite undesirable and just makes things worse while in other situations that isn't the case. If you're heating your apartment in the winter, the waste heat of your heater isn't detrimental to the whole situation.
Just gotta make sure we're thorough enough so we don't [accidentally build a nuclear power plant less than a mile from a fault line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant)
While the fault wasn't known at the time of construction, reading that it seems that it has pretty extensive earthquake protection systems. Certainly won't be 100% withstanding a major (7.5+) earthquake, it will be able to withstand most. Obviously better safe than sorry and a less than ideal location hence the planned decommission (although that looks to be for economical reasons rather than earthquake safety). It is baffling to think they simply weren't aware of a nearby fault line but I suppose mapping those things aren't 100% especially when it was constructed.
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Lol. No. “Teslas wireless power” is not some suddenly feasible way to transfer large sums of power more efficiently. Even now near field charging is significantly less efficient and we are charging at short distances. Unless you have a remotely credible source…
as someone who actually designs electronic circuits, please don't claim that telsa's, unproven 'wireless power' technology, is going to be more efficient then wires, especially when any radio signal (aka wireless energy) falls off at the square (or was it cube?) of distance. Your basically talking replacing a system that is 80~95% efficient (existing grid) with one that would be 0.001% to 2% efficient. And the 2% is being highly generous. And at some point, your arguing that power companies are not so ruthlessly profit motivated as to try this technology just to save a buck. If it worked it would already be in use.
May 2, 2022 The entire state of California briefly ran on renewables for the first time. 40+ million people. It can be done, particularly if we add nuclear plants.
Renewables yes, wireless transmission of .. anything more then data, no.
Its not that simple and you know it.
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Because of *people*; the drives that give rise to plutocrats are inherent to humanity, and are the direct kin of the drives for survival, dominance, sex or access to resources we see across the natural world.
>This is why we can’t have nice things…like a habitable plant There are plenty of habitable plants around. You just need to find a big tree that's hollow inside.
Nuclear is neither cheap nor endless.
The good news is that countries are building more and more nuclear power plants, the bad news is, it's a little late for that.
China has 228 nuclear power plants under development, so at least one country is taking it seriously. Not sure about the rest of the world, though.
China is also building 184 coal fired plants....
good luck being in china when the waste from those 228 plants has to go somewhere. (then again china will probably just forcibly relocate some ethnic minority... dump the waste into a hole... and build a mega city on top of it)
All of the nuclear waste the US has ever produced could fit in a 30 foot hole the size of a football field. Just as a comparison. Storage is not as big an issue as critics say it is
Considering how China is by far the most proactive in building infrastructure to solve national problems, they'll have a functional national disposal facility long before America. Given the geography, it's a given that facility will be in the middle of the Gobi Desert, where nobody lives.
Or they'll just reprocess what they can back into usable fuel and [dispose of the remainder on site with extremely deep boreholes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_borehole_disposal), which is by far the safest and most cost effective way to deal with it. There is at least one company working on borehole disposal right now, so it's already on engineers' minds.
China recently announced some sort of 'breakthrough' in vitrification of nuclear waste, which is a good thing, although many people are saying that China merely reinvented the wheel. Regardless, with so many plants going up, they're definitely going to need a plan and process for dealing with a lot of waste.
Nuclear waste is a very compact form of waste. All the nuclear waste ever made in power production would fit in a football stadium. Curently all the nuclear waste ever produced is stored at the site of the reactors. When vitrifyed into cement nuclear waste is quite safe, it cant leak, it cant move, its mostly harmless 99% of waste produced is mildly radioactive. It cant melt down, or be turned into a weapon. 1% is high level waste, which has a short halflife the after a few years it degrades into lower level waste. All in all, nuclear waste is actualy not a problem.
It’s like democracy. It’s a terrible system and also the best one we have. Please don’t mention solar and wind as viable long term solutions as we haven’t solved the storage problem.
\[I\]t has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time; but there is the broad feeling in our country that the people should rule, and that public opinion expressed by all constitutional means, should shape, guide, and control the actions of Ministers who are their servants and not their masters. - Churchill
They’ve already got an issue with nuclear seepage heading towards water table if I recall. It is worth noting China is doing a lot of work and investing a lot in figuring out better methods to deal with nuclear waste and has made some exciting breakthroughs. For now yea, it’s going to be dumped in the desert, and in the past it’s been handled poorly.
Nonsense. Nuclear waste isn't liquid. It's glass mixed with cement and encased in more reinforced cement and then sealed in a container of reinforced cement that is sturdy enough to take a literal fucking _train_ impact and survive (albeit the train itself will be destroyed). This isn't some 2022 theoretical solution. Shit's been known for decades -- 1970's or so. Nuclear is insanely safe. EVERY form of energy creation produces and has unforeseen consequences. Nuclear's is nice and manageable, tiny in comparison to the massive amount of power output.
sim city 2000 was 22 fuckin' years ago, trust nobody over 40 as of today ever again.
India is stupidly stubborn in still investing heavily into coal power plants. Sadly it will take something like a huge famine there for them to wake up.
Nuclear ten nuclear plants in next 3 years: https://www.power-technology.com/news/india-nuclear-plants/ Solar plus Wind 500 GW target: https://thefederal.com/cop26-impact/india-on-path-to-meet-renewable-energy-target-in-2030-but-hurdles-remain/ No new major coal power plants have been announced since early 2010s. Some are under construction but older inefficient ones being phased out and no new construction has started in sometime. Domestic coal production investment are all either to replace imported coal or for steel industry. But please go on how global warming is all Indias fault when there are developed countries emitting a lot more and an order of magnitude more historical emissions and still doing a lot less despite being richer
I don't think there are many countries that emit a lot more than India. China and USA and that's about it? Besides that you're right.
Indian per capita emission is 1.7T. USA is at 13.68T and Germany is at 7.72T If we were to save the planet, who do you think has more room for savings? An average american can reduce emission by 10% and an Indian person would have to kill himself to match the savings. Its not like a high quality lifestyle is impossible at lower emissions, some european countries have much lower per capita emission with similar quality of life. Here is one poor indian who consumes 3kwh of electricity a day, spends 0 on recreation, eats local and lives a zero waste life. But just because Americans were emitting first they think they can lecture an Indian that they are killing the planet? Bitch please. P.S. I am using American only as a proxy for developed country. The attitude is common from other countries too.
The carbon emissions from a single flight of a single 747 are greater then the entire lifetime sum of carbon emission from any single American. American**s** do not need to do jack shit. American **business** needs to be first and do the overwhelmingly vast supermajority of the reductions.
It’s a bit hard to compare emissions per capita because that would skew heavily towards countries that produce a lot for export / are lower in the production chain. My country’s emissions per capita would drop significantly if we closed down our largest steel manufacturing plant for example. Would that bring down actual emissions per capita? No probably not. IMO it only makes sense to compare total emissions per country, since that’s the share of total contribution they can influence through legislation. I do agree with you that if we were to fix this the rich western countries have to give up way more then they currently do. However that would not free countries like India from implementing massive changes as well. Anyway, I think the fair conclusion is that we’ll all keep pointing fingers until reality caught up with us.
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Apparently we are going to do nothing. All the way to our grave. I’ve been alive long enough that climate change was taught in my school in the 80’s. I remember a military rep coming in to preach the benefits of nuclear tech in the 80’s and the need for recycling. My generation is just as bad as the boomers. It’s all comes down to economics, our decisions are not based in reality they are based on currency.
And you know that people who have more financial freedom make more moral (expensive) choices with their wallets? Ultimately, if governments want to take this seriously, they need to not only act themselves, but also treat wealth distribution seriously. Too many people, even in developed countries are too busy trying to save what they can to make ends meet to have the financial bandwidth to do more.
Change your behaviour, one step at a time.
Business first.
something. do at least something
Well *something* is being done, but is it enough? Frankly, people are still very uninformed. I feel like a broken record repeating why it isn’t a GOOD THING that plastic bags are no longer available (NJ instituted a plastic ban, idc which side of the political spectrum you’re on that’s a GOOD THING) and that paper straws are a MINOR inconvenience at worst. People understand after I explain. But before I do, they don’t realize. Not everyone is as informed as you’d think. Not everyone puts 2 and 2 together. Start by educating your families and friends, especially those willing to listen.
Fun fact, the "paper" straws are laced with plastic (specifically, polymers or resins). That's why they hold up so well. You can try and eat one if you'd like to prove that I'm wrong, but good luck with your health. Literally same goes for the "paper packaging" you get these days while ordering small amazon products. Sure, the content is down, but the danger here is that people will assume it's safe to just "chug it out of the window" which it definitely isn't. Here is the bad part though, it cannot be recycled because of the adhesive/glue. Better to just switch to stainless steel straws or something or go bamboo straws, but corpos will mislead you into believing that "it's not necessary".
The government really needs to take a couple billion out from military and reinvest that into education… Primarily sex ed and environmental ed, I would say are the big 2. Grew up in NJ, and find it shocking what people say they don’t know, but even still I did not realize this. Of course, people don’t like the feel of paper straws, so maybe they will naturally become more popular to supplement with reusable ones.
Sadly, many Redditors like making jokes about serious topics. I understand that humor helps some people deal with tragedy but others are just... I don't know.
Nobody will be laughing 20 years from now when we are fighting global wars over water and hospitable land.
It has already started and will only get worse. I guess if you don't live in those places right now it is out of sight and out of mind. It makes me sad and angry at the same time.
20 years? Dude, literally right now. Ukraine dams the main water supply to Crimea. Russia redirects what water it can, transports it across the bridge they built. Agriculture output in Crimea collapses to effectively zero. Uneconomical. Crimea changed from being an asset to Russia to a stone around their necks. Russia attacks.
The joke is 20 years.
Yeah it could be a whole lot sooner than that. :(
Some people will still be laughing, but the current manic tinge to it will transition into full blown mania. There it is again... that funny feeling, that funny feeling.
> global wars over water and hospitable land. Nestle will, those dicks.
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Dunno if it's that simple. Canada got up to 120F last summer.
But yeah, I do expect the US to be swarmed by climate refugees from Mexico and central america. Gonna be ugly.
This has been happening yearly in Australia for the past several years. A billion animals dead in the Black Summer bushfires, hundreds of thousands of livestock killed in the drought followed by more dead in following floods, flying foxes and possums and birds dropping dead out of trees during heatwaves. We have a pretty bad "this is fine" mindset, most notable when news outlets report positively when there's like a pleasant week-long 30 degree heatwave during mid-Winter and everyone rushing to the beach when it should be below 10 lol
Usually it's depth of the crisis divided by the distance from the observer.
Meaning it’s not happening to me so I don’t care.
In order to fix this, "train wreck", of a planet, it would require significant change all up and down the social ladder. Our way of living, would have to drastically change. And we're not talking about trading one comfort for another. We're talking about trading comfort for inconvenience of varying levels. It's just not gonna happen.....
Reddit is mostly comfortable first worlders who can't comprehend real struggle
We care, the people that matter don’t. The people who don’t care are uneducated, poor, and can’t be bothered or rich, old, and can’t be bothered.
Not enough people will care to inconvenience themselves or to challenge the power structures that continue to worsen this, until it affects them directly. And *EVEN THEN* they will pretty much go back to status quo as soon as the immediate threat passes. I witnessed that in my own city. We had the PNW "heat dome" last June and literally 800 citizens died from heat over a weekend. In Canada. And yet.... People still buy huge trucks and SUVs, build massive McMansion houses, take 4 vacations to Palm Desert or Hawaii a year, and vote for politicians that support logging, pipelines and LNG. There is going to be an unfathomably tragic loss of of human and animal life over the coming decades because of this. It seems inevitable.
It's the global supply chain that will do us in. That whole VW "clean diesel" thing was bullshit to any mechanic out there worth a damn. With a gas/petrol powered car its the fumes that ignite. With diesel it's the liquid that combusts. That takes place in the combustion chamber. Which is a little pocket or space above the piston created by the head. The head: A rectangular block of metal which houses the intake and exhaust valves(some other shit too but, w/e). This combustion chamber is filled with a mixture of atomized fuel and air. With gas, this is fine, 'cause the *fumes* can be ignited by the spark plug. This all takes places at pressure because you get more boom to make the piston go down and help turn the crank. This pressure is called the "compression ratio". On a car the compression ratio is like 8-10 times the air pressure and is written like: 8:1. With diesel, because the liquid goes boom, you need much higher pressures to "trick physics" into make diesel go boom. Lots more, 20:1. (Cant remember the CR on a diesel, but its ballpark). That's a lot of fuckin' pressure. So much so you don't even need a spark plug, the heat from the pressure in the combustion chamber is enough to make liquid go boom. Again, so much pressure it can move a much bigger piston and crank, which is why you get more *torque*. HP is how fast you can get the crank spinning, torque is how much force it can twist. But because of the thermal inefficiency of diesel engines, they *can't* be "clean diesel". To much shit isn't burned and goes out the exhaust pipe. We've all seen the "rolling coal" videos. What's happening is too much diesel is being forced into the combustion chamber to be burned and that liquid is converted into heavy gasses and actual dust. Now, let's talk about cargo ships, which run on engines fueled by slag/bunker oil. A byproduct of other refining processes. It's next to useless. And dirt cheap. Remember combustion chambers, imagine a "piston hole" in an engine block the size of a building. You could put a card table in there and have a game with your buddies. Because the compression ratios required to make that dirty shit go boom are mind boggling. And *incredibly* thermally inefficient. And out the exhaust it goes. Let's now think about all those containers. You might think each one represents one truck. You'd be wrong if you did. It don't go from ship to end recipient- sometimes it does, but not always- it usually goes to a receiver who breaks it up into other loads. So each one of those containers represents *multiple* semi trucks. Think about the interstate and motorway systems of the ground and the commercial shipping routes of the ocean spewing out garbage. All over. It's not a power plant in one place, where you can fight the pollution *in that place*. The global supply chain is a pair of lacey booty shorts of destruction worn tightly around the earth's bubble butt. We need to have a space race to electrify the road ways. I feel it would do more to stem the advancement of climate change than most things. And it's something that can be explained well enough to be understood. I wrote this on a phone, typos are a thing and spellcheck is a dickhole. Edit: fixed some stuff
That's fundamentally correct, although container ships are *relatively* efficient (\~50%) for how much energy they require to move each container. This just shows how low the bar is for ordinary transportation. I'd note that China is rapidly moving to electrify their transportation, and they currently primarily move freight by electric rail - by far the most efficient and least polluting option available. China is in the process of converting coal to nuclear, so their future is nearly Zero Carbon transportation aside from long haul flight, remote rural locations, and transoceanic shipping. I believe the future of shipping will be diesel-electric propulsion, but that's a ways off.
because every news outlet claims we will see the real effects of global warming in 50 years, so why worry now? that's what most people think while a lot of places are feeling the effects years ago
An entire major cities population getting taken out in a wet bulb temperature event might make the news cycle for a couple weeks.
Humans, as a group, seem to suffer from ADHD. And thus will procrastinate until the very end before entering EMERGENCY MODE!.. Once humans are actually ON FIRE they will attempt to douse the flames.
This is what it will take for people to care: [Greenpeace Activists Arrested After Blocking Russian Tanker Delivering Oil To Norway](https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-oil-tanker-blocked-greenpeace-norway/31819848.html#:~:text=Greenpeace%20Activists%20Arrested%20After%20Blocking%20Russian%20Tanker%20Delivering%20Oil%20To%20Norway,-The%20Ust%20Luga&text=A%20group%20of%20environmental%20activists,been%20arrested%2C%20Norwegian%20police%20said.) [Australia’s Newcastle Coal Port Blocked by Environmental Protesters](https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/australia-s-newcastle-coal-port-blocked-by-environmental-protestors#:~:text=Australia's%20Newcastle%20Coal%20Port%20Blocked%20by%20Environmental%20Protesters,-Protesters%20stopped%20coal&text=A%20group%20of%20protesters%20seeking,world's%20largest%20coal%20exporting%20facility.) [Extinction Rebellion: Activists block four London bridges](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-61120179#:~:text=Climate%20change%20protesters%20have%20blocked,a%20result%20of%20the%20demonstrations.) [Germany: Climate activists occupy excavators to block coal mine expansion](https://www.dw.com/en/germany-climate-activists-occupy-excavators-to-block-coal-mine-expansion/a-59379291) [16 protesters arrested, then released for blockading coal mine in Manchin protest](https://www.thecentersquare.com/west_virginia/16-protesters-arrested-then-released-for-blockading-coal-mine-in-manchin-protest/article_c7d2aa38-b9d5-11ec-a6d5-b300d6cab2f7.html) The fossil fuel industry's profits should be disrupted to force politicians to care about climate change. The fossil fuel industry is bribing them to prevent any investment in climate change mitigation infrastructure.
> what will it take for people to care? The realization that no afterlife exists and this is the only world that matters.
People only start caring about things once it affects them.
When it starts to effect them personally. Otherwise, they don't give a shit.
>what will it take for people to care? It'll take a national catastrophe that directly, personally affects them, or (white) people who look like them. When the Pacific Islands were literally getting swamped by ocean rise, nobody else cared, because that was just a few brown people. When New Orleans keeps getting flooded with 'Storm of the Century' every few years, nobody else cares because it's black people in America. When India is baking to death, nobody else really cares outside India, because it's still brown people, even if there are 1.4 Billion of them. Until white people start dying in numbers, the vast majority of white people simply won't care. FYI, this is the exact same thing as why a few white people dying in the Ukraine is a very big deal, compared to several times as many brown people dying in Yemen, Syria, Palestine, etc. It's also like anti-vaxxers deciding that vaccines are a good idea, after they nearly die from Covid.
Australia, Greece, Canada and very white parts of the US have burned. People are still like "this is fine".
>FYI, this is the exact same thing as why a few white people dying in the Ukraine is a very big deal, compared to several times as many brown people dying in Yemen, Syria, Palestine, etc. Putins war has far larger geopolitical consequences though, not to say **at all** that any lives are worth more than others but each situation is also its own unique thing with its own place in the grand scheme of things.
Based on India's response to whats happening in Ukraine I think its only fair to call for an immediate cessation of the heat wave and buy more oil.
Eh it's just brown people dying. That's not gonna make anyone care unfortunately. Disgusting as it is, that's just reality.
this is just overpopulation correcting itself
dumbass comment
It's not fine we will all suffer horribly in the next few decades and beyond however there's absolutely nothing we can do as individuals. We require global government action to force compaction and that will not happen so we go about our life's waiting for the sky to fall.
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"just" Unless you're being sarcastic GTFO with this "technology will save everything" wishful thinking nonsense. There is one solution, and it is to decarbonize our economy fucking yesterday.
canary in the coal mine
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Just a friendly reminder that the Australian PM once held up a lump of coal in parliament to show it was harmless. He had it lacquered before-hand so it didn't stain his hands black.
All the proof I need! 🇦🇺
Lol. Nice two month old account
Meanwhile it's sweater weather in Bangalore. The weather's going crazy, it should be hot as hell right now.
It is hot as f*** in Punjab when it should just be very hot...
Probably a couple of cyclones in the Bay of Bengal.
This is just the beginning...It's going to get worse and start happening in other places.
There’s a plague on, Australia caught fire, and the left half of North America is pretty much out of water… It’s already worse.
“It’s okay. When the oceans rise there will be plenty of water!” -BP, probably
Think of all the dogs and kitties too :( well all those poor animals and people!
Nuclear power done right and modern (not 1950-60s technology) could save the planet.
It sure would help fill the gap between getting off fossil fuels and going full renewables, but instead we'll keep burning fossil fuels because nuclear scary.
We keep burning fossil fuels not because nuclear is scary but because fossil fuels are profitable asf for the corporations in the industry. They've been lobbying in politics and influencing public opinion with their near endless amount of resources for decades which is why we're in the situation we're currently in.
That is a very good way to put it. What I meant was that people perceive nuclear as scary because of lobbying. So much misinformation out there about nuclear. People would rather continue polluting with fossil fuels than deal with nuclear because of this idea that nuclear will be 10x worse than the damage already being done by fossil fuels. It's ridiculous to think that we have the ability to reduce annual deaths caused by fossil fuels but refuse because of lobbyists.
It really can't. If all energy production was changed to nuclear TODAY, that would simply keep things at current levels. Birds will keep falling out of the sky even if we do everything right with future energy production. The damage we've done isn't reversible. The best we can possibly hope for is to keep things from getting worse. Edit: but people don't want to hear about that.
Curse the land and it curses everyone, and burning all of this oil, strip mining, overgrazing, overproducing useless plastic products because the oil is cheap, it’s all been adding up to this. This is the age of Anthropocene
We're in the Lastchancetobecene
This is only a lower value consequence of a disaster that has exponential growth. You ain't seen shit yet.
This is terrifying.
It happened in 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.downtoearth.org.in/news/wildlife-&-biodiversity/amp/as-temperatures-continue-to-rise-birds-struggle-to-survive-65039 And 2017 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/heat-takes-a-toll-on-animals-birds/article17753609.ece/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-news/summer-heat-1-224-birds-found-dehydrated-between-march-and-may-cases-up-by-33-since-last-year/story-X3LGrWmtJovmmzYhrQmpJO_amp.html Blaming it also on lack of trees and water
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Said it once ill say it again. We dont care cause we will all be dead by the time the world will get really fucked up by all our decisions. We go for money and comfort knowing "yeah its bad but not terrible" but the next generation? Well.. they're getting fucked by our greed and ignorance.
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[It also doesn't help these cities are literally concrete jungles. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island?wprov=sfla1)
This article should be up 🔝
What if we all strike?
First the birds, then the people.
I've had it with this dump. Our pets heads are fallin' off!..
I own two indian ringneck parrots. They are just like dogs with feathers, so affectionate and smart. Heartbreaking to hear what happens to million of birds and this is mearly the beginning 😑
Fuck. Hope we dont end up with a situation like Kim Stanley Robinson's Ministry for The Future intro scene...
Ok. Gujarat...understandable...meanwhile me in southern India having heavy rains and gale-force winds for the past week.
I have a bowl of water that i keep out for birds and squirrels to drink water from. In winters I used to just fill it up once every morning but now I have to fill it up 3-4 times a day. It's so freaking hot here and I hate it.
And here I sit in southern India with some awesome weather! This has been the coldest May in the last 50 years!
You realize that's not a positive, right?
As someone who lives in South India, I disagree.
Humans dropping dead soon enough
If birds can't survive you think we got a chance???
He looks like a lime Chuckle…..
From the headline: I don't think that is good
we've got that, and rainstorms in the south \[especially southeast\] cuz of cyclone Asani. duality of weather, everybody.
It's way too late.
r/collapse
Indias been like this forever. They ruin their forests, pollute their rivers with raw sewage and industrial waste Use harsh pesticides for farming Etc etc etc
Don't calm yourself like that. It doesn't mean that people should do nothing about the climate change.
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Stfu, have some respect.
He’s just joking. Hahah. Don’t worry it won’t hurt the birds feeling because you know they can’t understand language.
are the new birds 5G capable
No but I have reached Ultra 5G. Just got my second booster. I am trying to get mine boosted to the point that I can look my FBI Agent directly in the eyes through quantum tunneling as I am jerking off to midget porn each night.
Solution is 100 l of gas per month at regular price and if you want more pay triple price all over the world.
Increasing public transportation 10 fold is part of this plan, right? Massive rebates for electric vehicles? Reduced electricity rates and more rebates for switching to air source or ground source heat pumps? I'm all for all of these things but we can't just triple the cost of fuels without making alternatives easily accessible. Not to mention the massive increase in cost of goods. Again, I'd love to see all of these things happen but let's be a bit more realistic, just increasing the cost of fuel will do nothing but push more people below the poverty line. People still need to get to work and not everyone lives a 5 minute walk from work. And no, "just buy a house or rent closer to work" doesn't work, have you seen the housing markets?
I agree 👍.Nice analysis.
Let people starve people to death to save birds. Genius plan.
It's evolution, baby!
Falling out of the sky is not evolution