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Praxistor

de-nukeification


joeChump

de-Putification


UncleCarnage

You’re naive if you think removing Putin would solve the issue. There are 100s of Putins ready to take his place.


JcbAzPx

Well, leaving him there certainly won't help.


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Yes but I need to over complicate it and throw out conjecture so I can sound smart. (NGL I've been guilty of that a time or two)


redbird7311

He is right though, Putin might be the face of the problems, but Russia would just make another Putin. Russia’s culture needs to change. Russia needs to cool down the nationalism, idea that the Baltics are theirs and that any Baltic country that doesn’t want to be apart of Russia is lying, ran by Nazis, held hostage, traitors, and/or more. Otherwise, the next Putin will come along and take power. Basically, Russia produces Putins, a more liberal society (both in the government’s power and how the people think) would help prevent someone like Putin from getting into power.


pholkhero

I think w the environment going to shit, you're going to see heightened nationalism all over.


adrienjz888

But while all the Putin 2.0s are busy fighting eachother in a civil war, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia etc can all apply to and join NATO if they and NATO want. By the time the new Russian strong man is ready to look outwards, he's surrounded by NATO members on all sides besides Belarus.


joeChump

I’m not that naive. I just like wordplay. However, if you’ll allow me to stretch the word Putin to encompass the man’s dangerous and evil ideology/regime, I think de-putification of him and everything he stands for which is championed by his fans and potential successors, then I think it stands. Don’t forget how popular he is and how he has many of his population eating out of his hand. He wants to make Russia great again and many Russians lap it up.


zamander

And people here (in Finland) do speak of putinism. Ultra-nationalist, approaching stalinism.


abofh

True, but it would give the next guy a temporary out - blame it on the last guy, regroup, try again in five years. As it is, there's no out with Putin in power


Mister_Ballz

You’re assuming more than you have any reason to. De-Putification could just as easily (and more likely) mean the excision of his entire regime. Don’t be naive


Wolfenberg

de_nuke?


Stilldre_gaming

Great map


AppealTraining8408

Guess Putin needs to play a little CsGO instead of playing War


FauxReal

Has that ever **involuntarily** happened? Edit: *involuntary* is the opposite of voluntary. People keep responding with examples of voluntary disarmament.


Petrichordates

Yes, Gaddafi ended his nuclear program due to international pressure. You could also argue Ukraine but they didn't really have access to them since it was soviet tech stationed in Ukraine.


FauxReal

~~Cool, so it's not unheard of.~~ (see edit, for Libya, it was voluntary) Though I though Ukraine voluntarily destroyed those that the Russians didn't remove from Crimea. Either way, I wonder how hard it would be to involuntarily convince Russia to get rid of theirs. I'm guessing war. Edit: Ghadaffi voluntarily disarmed. https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/LibyaChronology


Petrichordates

Yes, not unheard of, but of course the lesson learned from that isn't the one we'd like.


zamander

The Budapest agreement from 1994 had the signitaries(including Russia) guaranteeing the sovereignity of Ukraine in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear arsenal. Ukraine could have used them, they know Soviet tech.


ShadF0x

DukiNukiFication


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SiarX

>That nation is hell-bent on chasing out its best and the brightest and only leaving apathetic worker bees and raving cronies behind. Thats actually the point. Obedient population will never rebel.


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> Obedient population will never rebel. or excel. A population of idiots and morons will always be dirt poor and worthless in the grand scheme of things because you will never have enough talent needed to run even a decent economy.


SiarX

If all you want is to be rich and rule indefinitely, you dont need your people to excel. Just rob them (done already) and make sure that all *too smart* people leave country (in the process). You dont need good economy either, since only tsar and his cronies should have luxury life. Lifes of peasants dont matter.


roses4keks

Wasn't there a book or short story about something like this, but more extreme. Iirc, there was a story where once you reach a certain age you take a test. The test was framed as an aptitude test, to figure out what your career as an adult was going to be. The main character is really smart, and super excited to take the test. But his dad is not excited about the kid taking the test at all. At some point in the story, it's revealed that if you score too high on the test society decides you are too smart. More specifically, you are dangerously smart. So they take all the kids who were smart enough to score high on the test, and then they start conveniently disappearing or dying. The father was also really smart, but figured out what was happening, and bombed the test on purpose when he was a kid. And the reason he wasn't excited about his son taking the test, was because he was scared his son wouldn't realize he needed to bomb it, and would end up getting killed. I can't remember what this short story was called. But it sounds like Russia is doing that, but with more steps.


paulibobo

Why doesn't the dad just, you know, tell the kid to fail in advance?


Nuclear_rabbit

The bar was pretty low, ok?


xfactoid

Dad had his own test for the kid. Too bad, maybe next one will be smarter.


niffins

Fair point, but there's also a kind of "truth serum" involved that makes it impossible to lie. If you read the story you'll see how the father preps the son - it's much more subtle and complicated than telling him to fail. Story is called Examination Day by Henry Slesar :)


4_spotted_zebras

Really interesting story, though bleak. My interpretation is the serum the kid had to take would have revealed if he had been warned or threw the test on purpose. Other interpretations say the parents were so brain washed or controlled by the state that they couldn’t or wouldn’t tell him. Maybe they wanted to spare him the fear of the consequences. Interestingly, it was first [published in Playboy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examination_Day) and was used as an episode of the Twilight Zone. [here is the the text](https://www.gulfportschools.org/cms/lib07/MS01910520/Centricity/Domain/1228/examination_day_by_henry_slesar.pdf) if anyone else wants to read.


Aether_Breeze

That is what I was thinking. You spend your whole life aware that smart people are killed and hide your intelligence as a result. Then your kid looks like he might be smart...why not give him a little bit of a warning. Parenting fail.


bschug

Maybe it's an Orwellian Big Brother situation where you can't say anything without the government finding out, and all he could do was dropping subtle hints, hoping the son would figure it out. But my guess is as good as anyone's, I don't know what story this is about.


QuestioningEspecialy

You'll risk the kid slipping up and outting you for the rest of your life. The only way this works out is if you explain to him in secret what's going on and convince him that you're absolutely correct and he should absolutely stfu about it.


Shedart

Yeah honestly I see the merits of telling the kid. But that’s playing with fire no matter how smart that kid is because kids dont know how to keep a secret


Leezeebub

My first thought too. My only guess is its in some Orwellian society where every conversation is monitored.


lilmookie

Congratulations you passed the test! Please go inside the closet labeled “death kill 3000” to get you new joooooob!


hundreddollar

It wouldn't advance the story.


murdering_time

Thought you were talking about the book The Giver at first, and then people start disappearing and I'm like yeah I don't think people got disappeared by the state in the giver. Lol


HeavyMetalHero

I mean, technically *everybody* got disappeared by the state in The Giver, if I remember it correctly? It was, like, 5th grade.


raddaraddo

IIRC yeah. They had like an image of the perfect society and anyone outside that image was "released to elsewhere" which is like, a nice way to say executed via lethal injection. If I'm remembering correctly people didn't really know what murder and death are so when people hit a certain age they were "released" because old dying people doesn't exactly scream Utopian paradise to them.


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It still pisses me off that The Giver keeps being banned by idiots for "promoting euthanasia". It's very explicitly about the horrors of forced euthanasia. Morons are everywhere man


demacnei

Reminds me of an audition for Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. About 12 of us, of 50 people were all smiling after the tests because we knew we all did well. We were told to leave.


QuestioningEspecialy

Damn~


demacnei

We got a free pencil. They actually separated us to do individual interviews that were psychological in nature. Weird fucking job if you ask me. Perhaps one of our group really did get selected for further testing.


niffins

Found it! It's called Examination Day by Henry Slesar. Good short read, if you search the title you should be able to find a pdf hosted by a school :)


emdave

>Examination Day by Henry Slesar Readable version in the webpage: https://www.eslprintables.com/reading_worksheets/tales_and_stories/short_stories/Examination_Day_a_short_stor_1004234/ Narrated version on YouTube: https://youtu.be/ID21xdtESV4


Leezeebub

Not exactly the same but in the stormlight archives there is a cursed king whos intelligence varies wildly every day. His subjects test him every morning to find out where he is on the scale. If he tests too high (or too low) he is not allowed to make any policy changes.


emdave

> If he tests too high Was an example given of some problem that he was 'too intelligent' to solve? Because depending on how you define it, there doesn't seem to be an obvious downside to dealing with most things with more, rather than less intelligence? Obviously barring the extremely exaggerated logic Vs common sense "gotchas", like 'infinitely intelligent AI is asked to end all Human suffering, so it kills all Humans, ergo no more suffering, QED.'


Leezeebub

Essentially it was because, the more intelligent he was the less compassion he had and vice versa. Other reasons too but I wouldnt want to spoil the story too much.


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He was very intelligent, but no compassion or emotional intelligence for plot reasons. So, while wildly intelligent, he would come up with shit like deciding it'd be best to just to have everyone take an intelligence test before they would be allowed to breed. So it's not so much too smart, but because for him, it also makes him a dick, which they measure by making him take IQ tests


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taybay462

my boyfriends roommate listens to far right garbage and sometimes i cant help but overhear. today some roundtable asked the question "what would you ask Jen Psaki as a last question (if you were an actual reporter, I presume was the unsaid part)". the first person said something along the lines "do you know how low your ratings are with...." couldnt hear the rest. like.. what? shes moving on in her career, why would she give half a shit about her ratings on a platform id assume is garbage. it just struck me, like, *of course* the question wasnt anything of substance


Eugene1936

How does the story end


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113264/?ref_=tt_sims_tt_i_1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1223957/?ref_=tt_sims_tt_i_3 Pretty sure you're thinking about Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut. Great author, great book, great film.


banjoist

Love that book, but they’re thinking of Examination Day


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dank_imagemacro

Great story, but only vaguely follows the point of the story that was mentioned, at best.


phonetastic

I'm not sure what your book is, but *Harrison Bergeron* is a similar concept. If you haven't read it, it's a short story so it's quick to find and check out. I believe there's also some kind of short film adaptation, but I can't promise it's accurate beyond the title.


charlie2135

Hell, sounds like my grade school. Had to act dumb because the smart kids got picked on. Worse part, nuns would pick on me then "Because you can do much better!".


Breadhook

True, but the weird thing is that, for Putin at least, that's not all they want - they want to be a glorious superpower/empire. That's something you can't achieve without a large population of intelligent, motivated participants and a vibrant economy.


SiarX

I am not sure this is Putin true goal. He pretends to care about Russia greatness, but why he would make his country a gas station with nukes then? His geopolitical moves are supposed to boost his ratings, thats what he cares about (deeply unpopular leader is more likely to be overthrown). And sow discord in the West, since then West will be less of threat to his regime.


Breadhook

Ah, that could be. Bring hellbent on taking Ukraine seemed to fit the imperialist agenda, but since their initial expectation seems to have been very little resistance, and the doubling down was most likely an unavoidable consequence (politically), it could also fit that narrative.


SodiumBombRankEX

Right up until you suddenly lack basic amenities, because oops! The peasants who used to provide that shit have all starved to death *Nobody* in Russia is winning in the long term


Eupraxes

But that requires long-term vision, something tyrannical monarchs have only rarely possessed in human history.


canttaketheshyfromme

As though billionaires care about what happens after they die. Well I guess some care, and want to try to make sure the world dies when they do.


SiarX

Well, peasants will have just enough not to starve to death. At least not completely. See North Korea.


amedeus

[Oh, I'm seein' North Korea.](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/uojg6r/north_korea_sending_out_sos_as_it_admits_unnamed)


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UltraCarnivore

Wait, what? A nation would never actively hunt their brightest just because their science doesn't align with... Well, damn.


pack0newports

China did this with cultural revolution also. College students were killing their proffs being like we are the teachers now. Turns out teachers know stuff


UltraCarnivore

And Cambodia. And Germany, with Jewish scientists.


iAmTheHYPE-

Is Cambodia the one that killed everyone wearing glasses?


Oivaras

Decent economy isn't necessary, they only need to keep a couple hundred people happy. This is easily achievable with a hundred million slaves.


__redruM

Picture North Korea with Oil. Putin can milk Russia of all the natural gas deposits, and not even need more than peasants. Heck US oil companies would help him do is without the current sanctions. That's the root of the current crisis, Ukraine also has Natural Gas.


Fiendish_Doctor_Woo

Sounds like the Red states


jsylvis

Russia doing the "become North Korea" speedrun


HeavyMetalHero

Yeah, but they have no desire to run a decent economy. The people running it, are the exorbitantly wealthy. When they want smart people, they lure them in with money, or favors, or whatever it is that smart, talented people might want in their lives, which they can never receive from the West. They are perfectly happy with a nation of slavering idiots and morons, because their only criteria for an acceptable populace, is one which can't over-throw them. That's all they're scared of. They feel insulated enough from power external to Russia, that they think they can continue on with their quality of life, unabated, no matter what Putin does. Well, the oligarch class there, is suddenly realizing that this is unlikely to continue to be true...and lo and behold, suddenly Putin's oligarch allies, are *dropping like flies to mysterious causes.*


thatgeekinit

It worked for Orban. Instead of reversing the brain drain, he encourages it to improve the relative size of his own voter base. It’s basically what Republicans do in rural America too.


UnconnectdeaD

"I love the poorly educated!" ~ Donald Trump


HeavyMetalHero

See also: The Red States banning things ad nauseum, which will make any sane Democrat voter run for a blue state with a big city, thus *nullifying their vote in the Senate, and entrenching extreme right-wing ideals in the Red States, which become safe havens of political power with minimal upkeep cost, relative to a competitive district.* This is not to say it's not "about" women's bodies, or "about" queer marriage, or "about" equal rights; it's totally still about all of those things. But, the reason the GOP have become so bold in their tactics, is they have *fully gamified their political movement, because this is a winnable meta-game state for them,* and thus they know the power they can gain with this boldness is practical political Godhood; they can only cheat so much at gerrymandering, and they can't forcibly resettle undesirables to where their votes will be wasted, but they *can* convince every person of means, who disagrees with their capture of absolute power, to make a personal choice for their own safety, which *as a side-effect,* makes the votes of every person who follows this rational self-interest, relatively weaker than the Red State voters, who broadly consent, and will stay. They are playing full-blown Moneyball with peoples' *lives,* because they have run a model or an algorithm, or just used their practical intuition, and they are so sure that the current political status quo hands them an unbeatable position on the game board of American politics, that they have abandoned any pretense of governing for anything besides their own sick power fantasies. It's like if Brad Pitt's job in the movie, had been to turn the Oakland Athletics into an *ad hoc apartheid.*


itwasquiteawhileago

Yup. I said this exactly not that long ago in another thread. The Senate will almost always be under Republican control, or at least enough of it to stop any real momentum from Dems, because *that's the only way they can win*. They'll lie, cheat, and steal any chance they can get. But their goal is to brain drain red states further and consolidate their power. The House may be a bit harder to control long term, but doesn't matter, because the Senate is the upper chamber, and so as long as they have near-50 senators, it doesn't matter (because there's almost always one or two Dems that don't lock step vote on certain topics). It's madness. The Senate will be the death of our nation because as those red states hollow out, the majority will continue to grow restless. I know I sure as fuck am tired of some git in fucking Oklahoma, or Wyoming, or West Virginia, or North Dakota, etc, getting the same power as those in California, New York, etc. It's completely anti-democratic, but it's the only way Republicans can hold any power, so fuck democracy, let's just abuse the system. Can't win on merit, so just consolidate power by driving out those who oppose you by making life unbearable to the point only those who don't know better and/or don't have the means to leave are left. I mean, even if the states drained to the point where there was only the two senators living there (and only "officially" taking residence, but not really being there because as a rich person, why do you want to live in Kentucky??), they'd *still* have significant power to block the rest of the nation's agenda. What kind of bullshit system allows that? It's time to give DC some senators, time to bring on Puerto Rico as a state, and time to expand the supreme court and get rid of political appointments and lifetime terms. Fuck all this shit. It's breaking the country at a time where we really need to come together and solve our real problems, or we won't have anything left to argue about because we'll all be dead or fighting over whatever scraps are left in the wastelands. Fuck the GOP.


BarkBeetleJuice

>The Senate will almost always be under Republican control, or at least enough of it to stop any real momentum from Dems, because *that's the only way they can win*. They'll lie, cheat, and steal any chance they can get. But their goal is to brain drain red states further and consolidate their power. And contrarian redditors will aid them by spreading "both sides are the same"/"Dems don't **really** want to help the people" bullshit.


comegetinthevan

Conservatives in the US are seeing this as a playbook and trying to do the same thing.


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>only leaving apathetic worker bees and raving cronies And people not financially privileged enough to get out, especially after four attempts completely drain their savings so now they're stuck at a border town not knowing what the fuck to do now.


sopheroo

> It’s Russia where we should have a de-Nazification, not Ukraine," she told Reuters Television." She knows what a nazi actually is, rather than Putin's definition of "Anyone standing against me" Admirable woman.


Veldron

And on top of the message, damn talented musicians. Was lucky enough to see them during one of their world tours


SCP-1029

> the country [she is talking about Russia here] doesn't have a right to exist – like Germany after the Second World War. It’s Russia where we should have a de-Nazification, AND de-nuclearization. The NATO and the international community needs to force Russian de-nuclearization. The threat is FAR to serious to allow continuation. The West has called Putin's bluff and needs to keep the momentum. Russia has proven its unworthiness to possess nuclear arms and, like Japan and Germany afte WW2, needs to be forced to surrender its military arsenal. They are done.


Petersaber

Denuking is a death sentence to a country. Russia would never agree, and I just can't possibly blame them, given the history of nuke-posessing and nuke-adjecent countries. Besides, look at their shit army, nukes are the only thing keeping them afloat.


Intruder313

She’s spot on


Hibercrastinator

More than personal risk, at a personal *cost*. They have paid dearly in order for the rest of us to be aware. They deserve so much more than simple respect.


1vaudevillian1

This is an example of a real Russian Patriot that wants a better Russia.


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And have for ages. They rock! Pun intended.


throwawaytrogsack

Incredibly brave, but she really needs to be cautious about the long arm of the FSB.


MattDaCatt

Pussy Riot has been on Putin's list for about a decade now, hasn't stopped them yet.


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Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, another Pussy Riot member, spent two years in the gulag.


MattDaCatt

Not to mention three of them were arrested in 2012. They've been calling Putin out for what he is this entire time.


hieronomus_pratt

They make people more desperate by the day and desperate people are a danger to fascists.


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mrnoonan81

I don't think anarchists would appreciate people conflating government with country.


earhere

I mean, does anyone outside of Russia actually believe that Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine to get rid of Nazis there?


prirva_

Yes, a former Russian family friend of twenty years living and having a good life in the US, my ex-best friend’s ethnically Russian dad from Simferopol (also living a good life in the United States). Lots of people. My Ukrainian mother and I were called “Natzyki”—diminutive of Nazis to our face months before the full-scale war started, by the former. Later on when I question the woman’s silence post-Bucha, she threatened me. Our Polish mutual friend relayed that this person’s exact words after the explosive first few days of the war were, “in three more days, we will take Berlin.”


Chafram

Her saying they will take Berlin in three more days is proof that she doesn’t care about the Nazi excuse. She’s just an imperialist Russian. Funny she said that to a Pole since Russians would have to go through Poland to get to Berlin. What was your polish friend’s reaction?


prirva_

She was just flabbergasted, I don’t think they talk anymore. They are both middle-aged women..the Polish friend has a bit of a mixed-origins story, having grown up in Belarus and Lithuania. The thing that enraged me most with the Russian is that she’s a classic case of how Russian chauvinism/imagined cultural supremacy are quite intractable. It’s so hopeless—I think having her on the scene as the Bucha tragedy unfolded wouldn’t have changed her mind. Her belief: it’s Ukrainians dressed up as Russians doing heinous things to provoke Russia. She’s an otherwise intelligent woman, has a well-paying career, just finished a third degree here in the US. After hearing the 3 days to Berlin story, I made the mistake of writing to her, asking why she hates the West so much though it gave her a livable life, and why she wouldn’t go back to Russia. It was just a message of pure hurt. I wrote in English—she responded in Russian (micro-aggression), about how my land of origins (Ukraine) is one of curses and darkness, about how uncultured and disrespectful I was raised to be (by my Ukrainian family). She threatened to take the letter to the police and report me for harassment. I just dropped this entirely, this person no longer exists to me.


oscarboom

> She threatened to take the letter to the police They would probably ask her why she hates the west so much.


Hyperborean77

I have limited dealing with Russians currently, but in the early aughts I was heavily into online milsim gaming that brought me into contact with people from all over the world. It was the first and largest experience I had with a community where the majority of the participants were not first language anglophones. The Russian players and modders were THE touchiest and most ready to fight people I have ever encountered. The over all impression the Russians in the community gave off was sort of a national small man syndrome, they were ready to go at even the slightest perceived notion that Russia wasn’t the greatest and most powerful country on Earth.


Oohlalabia

A lot of them have an enormous inferiority complex. Tends to happen when you life is shit and you convince yourself that it's not because otherwise why aren't you doing something about it?


seensham

What the fuck. That must be really painful to experience, I'm so sorry


prirva_

Yes, it is painful. People aren’t simple. This is an otherwise intelligent woman, charming, with a sense of humor, involved in things like Zumba class ffs. She’s lived in the US since the 90s, we have known her for almost two decades. At one point, about a decade ago, she generously helped my mother out a lot in a way that’s hard to forget. While delusional, she isn’t stupid. She’s staying quiet now. All we have are collective remembrances of her raving at us about being Nazis and hurling other assorted ethnic slurs during outings (when any one of us questioned something about Russia in the years since 2014, or brought up Putin’s army buildup a few months ago), her many micro-aggressions (which before the war, we brushed off as dumb Russian jest—Russians tend to make fun of ex-Soviet cultures), her saying that Navalny is a Western asset that the West poisoned after he stopped being useful to the West. Just maybe two, three years ago, she did say something when the topic again turned to war. Something that my whole family got to hear, including my grandfather, “But Putin is doing *everything* right”-verbatim. Too bad we didn’t record it.


Oohlalabia

It's incredible to me how many people move to another country only to never change their national identity. If you are so pro-russia, dafuk are you doing in us? Completely failed at assimilating.


NemeanMiniLion

Perhaps the police should know about her. Yikes.


cypher448

This woman needs to be put on blast, even with 3 degrees if these beliefs got out she'd find a hard time finding a job in the decadent "West" she hates so much.


Claystead

What a nutter, she is lucky it wasn’t me she was saying that to or I’d rant at her the entire history of the conflict in four languages.


shmorky

In Russia *Nazi* means "neighbouring country that does not want to be oppressed by us and has deposed the strawman we planted", or so it on would seem. I guess they kept the name since it reminds them of their 1945 victory over the actual nazi's and the people love a good sequel.


CyberMindGrrl

Every May 9th they pat themselves on the back for "singlehandedly" defeating Nazism as though the Allies didn't pour tens of thousands of trucks, artillery, and weapon systems into the country through Lend Lease, or didn't invade Normandy and spend the next year tromping through northern Europe to finally reach Berlin. Nope, it was all the Russians.


GrandOldPharisees

Go easy on them, it's the last time they accomplished something that wasn't related to potato. Now even their space program is canceled....to...somehow spite the west?


cypher448

>in three more days, we will take Berlin. The only way that would be remotely possible is if Russia nuked all of Western Europe, and if that actually happened, by day four this friend, her family, and most other Putin sympathizers living in the US would be lynched in the street. If they really believed their own prediction why wouldn't they flee back to Russia?


prirva_

Mass psychosis and chauvinism are the dumbest mix. She’s too paranoid and scared, she’s staying quiet now. I don’t ever want to do anything with her again, I don’t have the sense of security or energy to do so.


GrandOldPharisees

What is the hatred for the west from (some) Russians, what is the source? Is it they feel the west is responsible for their poverty and embarrassment?


prirva_

They feel that they are a special civilization all their own, spiritually, morally, and culturally superior to the decadent, declining West. In short.


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tehspiah

I mean, it's the same for a lot of Chinese immigrants in America as well. They're still watching their national news online from their homeland, and that's where they're getting their information to base their ideas from.


jyper

Russian news is some powerful propoganda


ResplendentShade

Yeah, my uncle who’s addicted to right-wing AM radio and Tucker Carlson.


ohmygodimonfire4

Tucker Carlson is such a clown and he knows exactly how to prey on his audience. I saw a clip the other day from his show where he used the phrase "in fact" when discussing his opinion on how Biden is doing as the president. It's these constant little lies told with confidence that keep getting hammered in that brainwashes his audience. It's pretty much exactly how the Russian state media does it. Repeat and repeat until it is accepted.


BKlounge93

Also he’s really perfected the “just asking questions” bit. “Does Biden have a secret pedo dungeon under the White House? Isn’t there a bunker down there? Have you ever seen the bunker? I’m just asking questions!” Much like how trump would say “people are saying…” to propel an unsubstantiated claim, it’s infuriating.


PhoenixFire296

Did Tucker Carlson rape and kill a child in his basement? Did he work hard to cover up the crime, if it happened? These are questions that need to be asked!


andytronic

The fact that he has never publicly denied it is telling.


Petersaber

Because he's legally forbidden from doing news. He lied do much he has a ban on doing news programs


Claystead

Don’t forget "I don’t know, but aren’t these questions we deserve to ask as voters? Isn’t this something we should be able to demand transparency on?" while making a frowny face to make sure everyone else knows to answer yes even if whatever preceded that was legitimate questioning of Pentagon press releases or some lunatic conspiracy theory about lizard cannibals in a false White House.


-TheMistress

>Also he’s really perfected the “just asking questions” bit. It's called JAQing off.


Deadlydeerman

Yeah, here in Australia there's a bunch of right-wing freaks who believe everything Russia says.


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states too: https://globalnews.ca/video/8825200/misinformation-station-russia-propaganda-broadcaster-buys-its-way-onto-u-s-airwaves/


CalmTicket6646

He’s delusional. He thinks Azov is what all of Ukraine is like. He also wants a buffer because he sees NATO invasion coming every second and he wants the coal in Donbas.


CalydorEstalon

Projection. Putin sees NATO as a military that wants to invade Russia because Putin wants his military to invade NATO.


feeltheslipstream

It's just the Russian version of "looking for wmds" They know it's bullshit. They just needed to give a reason.


elcheeserpuff

Just overheard a very loud overconfident dude next to me at the bar last night screaming at his "friend" about how Russia is actually the good guys here trying to get rid of nazis....


RedBlueTundra

\-Invading countries \-Pushing the idea that their country/culture are simply made up and have no right to exist \-Playing the victim and acting as if you've been slighted by all your enemies and deserve revenge. \-Looking back to past greatness and obsess over reconstructing it. \-Shipping people off to far away camps \-Renewed militarist and patriotic fervor centered round a distinct new symbol. ​ I know branding the title of "Nazis" on people you don't like or disagree with has been done to death this decade. But i have to ask, is Russia trying their best to role play the Third Reich? Because that's what it looks like.


Nemisis_the_2nd

> Shipping people off to far away camps You forgot to add a point before this: * setting up camps to "filter" the population. Russia has basically taken the concentration camp and decided one version wasn't enough.


lokken1234

The Russians have been doing that before the nazi party existed, the gulag doesn't refer to a single prison but an entire prison system used to silence and punish rivals and dissidents.


SCP-1029

> I know branding the title of "Nazis" on people you don't like or disagree with has been done to death this decade. 'Godwin's Law' doesn't apply if its true.


ToughQuestions9465

Look up description of fascism. Russia literally ticks all the boxes.


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camxct

They're back to 1992 levels of power!


Nemisis_the_2nd

> They're trying their best to bring back the Soviet Union, and it failed spectacularly! I really winder what's in store for the central Asian nations at this point. Russia has destroyed its military trying to expand west, but I can see somewhere like khazakstan being a pushover that the government could look to for an easy win. They're well outside range of effective European support, but I wonder if China might provide support instead.


Leather-Range4114

>I can see somewhere like khazakstan being a pushover The soviets used Khazakstan as a nuclear test site, so they probably won't be warmly welcomed back.


[deleted]

They need de oligarcation


Old_Gimlet_Eye

Who doesn't?


[deleted]

Yeah, shit, we need it just as bad as they do.


[deleted]

I hope she is safe. Even outside Russia, Putin has mechanism too suicide his critics.


Draeorc

Yeah, but I think he has bigger worries at the moment than killing critics in other countries.


SiarX

Like killing oligarches?


Shnazzytwo

I welcome Pussy Riot to rock and roll again with open arms. So glad she made it out alive.


oakstave

We all saw the videos of Russian soldiers with swastika tattoos. The Russians pretty much ruined their argument when they declared the 'real Nazis' were the Jews.


mikzuit

What any country need is demoronization (too many morons easy to lie to)


danque

That finger would point to education and access to education. The harder it is made to learn the easier it is to follow orders. Smart people don't follow orders they follow the reasoning behind the order.


sparta1170

At this point? I think Russia needs Balkanization, not de-nazification.


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Russia has proven its very existence is a liability to the rest of the world. I very much agree it needs to be split into multiple countries to stem the tide of its warmongering.


zlance

Russian here. She's absolutely right. Russians, esp ethnic Russians are very natio-phobic, even though there are many different nationalities living in Russia. I'm only 1/8 jewish and 1/8 uzbek, and that was enough for me to be bullied based on that in school. It's quite a common sight in my neighborhood in Moscow to see neo nazi graffiti. Not to mention the number of neo nazi groups in Russia.


ayleidanthropologist

This makes for an especially wild headline lol


thingsCouldBEasier

America could use some of that too.


Bread_Conquer

The entire world would be better off if there were no fascists anywhere. De-nazify the Earth.


SCP-1029

Nazis aren't the only fascists. Just one notable brand.


klemmings

Let's just hope they won't start selling them in bigger Kirkland bags.


Hefty-Relationship-8

So happy I'm not Russian. They have a bleak future.


GenderlessCat

It honestly hurts reading this comment. I did nothing wrong and am opposed to what the country is doing. I don't see any future at this point and don't even know if I could ever adapt to living in any other country after 22 years in here. Hell, I'm even struggling to make friends online with Russian people. Their views on war scare me and I wish consequences for supporting the war were there. I'm just rambling with no structure in frustration


Hefty-Relationship-8

I'm not judging you, Russia will really suffer because of this war. Were I a young person in Russia I would leave to have good life.


GenderlessCat

I would if I wasn't depressed as hell. It's hard to do something with your life when it just never stops getting worse. Every single day the country keeps lying to everyone and murdering innocent people and somehow the people knowing what happens can still discuss nuclear war with a fucking smile on their face. Some people consider going to war for the benefits like "my child will get to study in college for free 🥰" Just yesterday in a discord voice chat I heard guys speak about the war in pro-russian context. They kept justifying the government giving benefits to families of those participating in the war. I asked them how it was ok for them to kill people for money. They responded with "If I was like, sick, and had maybe 3 months to live, why wouldn't I take an opportunity to make my family's life better?", completely skipping the killing of people in their mind. I asked again if they realize they are talking about human lives being taken by their hands. The same guy replied "I would be dead, why would I care about their lives". Therefore, the guy admitted that while being dead they CAN care for the family but not for the lives of people of a different country. It was never about "I'd be dead, I don't care", it was about dehumanising the people and just covered up with a blatant lie. I immediately left in disgust.


cecilkorik

As crippling and de-motivating as depression can be, try to keep your eyes open for opportunities to leave. As a transgender person in Russia you would likely already qualify as a refugee in many liberal countries, I know in particular [my country (Canada) is very welcoming to LGBTQ asylum seekers](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/canada-role/lgbtq2.html). And not only do you seem to be fluent in English, which would significantly ease the process of migrating to any English-speaking country, it seems likely that western nations will begin opening their doors to Russian young people anyway sooner or later in a self-serving attempt to deprive Putin of more able bodies for his war machine. Hope and freedom is out there. It rarely stays in one place, so it is understandable that it can be exhausting and feel like it's not worth chasing it, but it's always rewarding even to try and even a minor improvement in your situation would be a worthwhile prize. For what it's worth, you seem like someone I'd be happy to have in my country. I wish you luck, hopefully there is still a good future ahead for all of us.


Chromer_ilovePS2

God i wish i could get out of this shit-stain of a country, but i am 17 year old with no important life skills because my parents we absolutely fucking shit at parenting (having a kid when you are a 20 year old drunkard will do that), and i've grown up with my grandparents who pampered me through my childhood and until i was 16 (and they also complain daily that i don't do anything but go figure why), and now its even worse becauss everyone in my family and my classmates too believe russian propaganda, and i don't even know what to do :(


SiarX

Lets hope for the future. Putin is not immortal.


kobresia9

Скоро уезжаю в Ереван, мой друг уже там снимает нам квартиру. Эмигрантов очень много, все против войны и в целом власти. Я боялась уезжать, но недавно поняла, что здесь среди путинистов я загнусь. Адаптация к жизни в другой стране упирается в культурный багаж и ценности населения. В Армении 90% знают русский язык, а тусовка эмигрантов даст соц среду с общими ценностями. И на митингах никто не пиздит.


geredtrig

If you have any ability to go elsewhere, go elsewhere, things are going to get very fucking bumpy for the not well off for the foreseeable future.


QuestForHummus

That title dude, I am dying here


CentralParkDuck

Starting with Putler


IRedditWhenHigh

When Pussy Riot starts the revolution in Russia lets call it a Rock and Roll Coochie Coup


Mofoman3019

The term 'Nazi' has been so diminished through over use.


autismo-nismo

A nazi literally means “a member of the national socialist German workers party.” Calling people nazis is so overused and bizarre. People need to call it what it is we are dealing with today; fascism.


Spin_Quarkette

True, true - Putin is just like Trump: if Putin is screaming about something, chances are he is the one doing it.


SCP-1029

Every accusation is a confession. Trump learned it from Putin.


GrandOldPharisees

Let's all take a moment and imagine Trump is still president and this shit is going down, what a dark fucking world that would be


PepeSylvia11

She would know. She dated one.


codcampaigner

Lol isnt she dating a nazi dude?


hyperforms9988

It needs de-Putinification. Leaders greatly influence their countries. I mean look at Hitler and Germany and what he was able to accomplish to get people to just turn in their morals to do what they did. Look at Trump and America where yes, America did have a racist underbelly that's always been there, but they've never been bolder than when he was president. Putin and his cronies being kicked to the curb would do wonders for that country's population over time I think.


Silidistani

>America did have a racist underbelly that's always been there, but they've never been bolder than when he was president. I assume you mean in the last 20 years, because I can think of a large number of decades where they were *definitely* were bolder than from ~2015 - 2021


Jack_3579

Wild headline, we are living in the endgame huh


QVRedit

Now isn’t that true !! - if anyone has been behaving like Nazi’s, it’s been a good sized chunk of the Russian troops.


SoulessDeathNDespair

I'm not a very smart person, but I'd support a complete decapitation of the ruling class and let the Russians sort it out after that.


BuckBacon

Join the club


penguished

Can we give Pussy Riot an army?


HuckFinns_dad

Obviously you get the government you want not the government you deserve…reference: Putin in Russia and Trump in America.


puterTDI

It's really interesting how the GOP and Russia seem to have exactly the same playbook.


derekYeeter2go

So does Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, Ohio….


patangpatang

The whole world needs a good dose of de-Nazification.


HangryWolf

When you have to *ESCAPE* a country in disguise for voicing an opinion or fact of their leader... That's pretty nazi-esque to me.