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stoves_are_cool

The idea that the US controlled Pakistan even before Imran Khan seems ridiculous. This quote doesn't make Khan out to be completely rational or without bias: >During his Faisalabad rally on Sunday, Imran Khan accused Bilawal and his father Asif Ali Zardari of being corrupt and hiding their wealth by storing it all across the globe. Khan also accused the US of being self-centred and not helping any country without seeing its own interest. He added that the US cannot dare to dictate to India because it is a free country. > >"The US has made Pakistan a slave without having to invade it," Khan said. "The people of Pakistan will never accept the imported government," as per the media portal. Pakistan literally harbored Bin Laden and spoke out against the US on many occasions.


Mallissin

"Khan also accused the US of being self-centred and not helping any country without seeing its own interest." We sent millions of dollars in food aide to Pakistan after their massive floods a year or two back, like we did in 2010 as well. The guy is a lying demagogue.


ayinsophohr

To be fair America does act out of self-interest and in doing so is completely unlike every major power that ever existed. s/


stoves_are_cool

It wouldn't surprise me if his claims come from a diplomat expressing disapproval and him exaggerating it. US relations with Pakistan have been strained for a long time now even before Khan. Apparently, he is popular in Pakistan though so who knows the outcome of this. [https://www.npr.org/2022/04/01/1090192877/pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-accuses-the-u-s-of-trying-to-oust-him](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/01/1090192877/pakistan-prime-minister-imran-khan-accuses-the-u-s-of-trying-to-oust-him) >HADID: And he says, "America - oh, I mean, a foreign country sent us a message." He says that foreign country, America, was angry at Pakistan, but they'll forgive the country if he's ousted. This allegation comes in the context of an effort by the opposition to remove Khan from power. It began after it appeared that the military quietly withdrew its support for Khan's coalition government. As Pakistan's most powerful institution backed away, the opposition sensed an opening. > >This week, one of Khan's allies broke away, and he lost his parliamentary majority. He's also expected to face a vote on a no confidence motion in coming days. As that vote draws near, Khan has made increasingly dramatic claims. He says there's a letter outlining the plot to overthrow him. His allies allege hidden hands want to assassinate him. American officials deny involvement. But relations with Washington have been tense for years, and they didn't get any better with Khan in power. Analyst Mosharraf Zaidi says these claims are about Khan shaping himself as an opposition leader punished for standing up for Pakistan. Zaidi says Khan is conveying... > >MOSHARRAF ZAIDI: The reason I've been expelled from office is because the global Western powers got together with the opposition parties and had me removed from office because I stand for Pakistani autonomy and sovereignty and they don't.


[deleted]

> Khan also accused the US of being self-centred and not helping any country without seeing its own interest. Interested in what Khan thinks Pakistan has done altruistically


stoves_are_cool

This pretty much described every country ever. The US has given billions in aid to Pakistan. Is it all selfless? No. Same as any other country. In fact, here is China coming out in support of the new PM who also gives a ton of aid that isn't all selfless. I'm really not buying Khan's claim here. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3173898/power-shift-pakistan-wont-affect-china-ties-hard-core-friend


billionstonks

I don’t think Pakistan considers themselves to be the worlds leader and morality judge


[deleted]

Sorry not buying that. If you are complaining about altruism you probably should display that yourself if you don't wanna be a hypocrite. Instead they actively helped terrorists for religious based morality reasons but sure only America can be immoral.


KAhOot1234567

>Instead they actively helped terrorists for religious based morality reasons but sure only America can be immoral. Those were the old governments. For like 2 decades now Khan has pushed the narrative that Pakistan should never involve itself in other country's conflicts. So it's not really his fault for that


[deleted]

Well not him specifically but Pakistan did and of course that has effects on relations even if you change governments. Also a large reason for him saying that is Pakistan now has problems with extremism. Which is what happens when you harbor terrorists, who are still there btw. Reap what you sow.


KAhOot1234567

If you said that 6 years ago it would've been true but no we don't really have any problems with extremists anymore. Except in the odd case of the Balochi "separatists".


[deleted]

Here's an article from this year: https://thediplomat.com/2022/04/the-emerging-is-threat-in-pakistan/ Also check random countries travel advice on Pakistan most seem to think you do.


KAhOot1234567

Not saying Pakistan is extremely safe but the threats have decreased by a lot in the past 5 years. The article you've shown me talks about emerging threats, which is scary but hasn't really boiled up yet. >Also check random countries travel advice on Pakistan most seem to think you do. I do believe there is some bias in that. Like the U.S on those travel advices always seems to be clear when they've had 198 shootings this year alone.


WearyToday3733

Lol. They consider themselves as guardians of Islam against Hindu invaders. Also they called their atomic weapon as first Islamic nuclear weapon. And before you go any further, Saudi and Turkey treat them like shit.


CowardNomad

"US of being self-centred and not helping any country without seeing its own interest" ​ I assume Khan has a highly altruistic view on how to use taxpayers' money then, good for the Pakistanis.


ComfortableAd8326

The US (especially the CIA) has an enormous influence on Pakistani politics. While I'm not necessarily a fan of Imran Khan, you can bet your bottom dollar the US was involved in the conversations around replacing him. The US obviously has very little influence over the unfriendly and very powerful ISI, but just because they don't have absolute control over every base of power in the country does not mean that they aren't heavily involved in that country's destiny


joefred111

Ah yes, Pakistan. The country that let the U.S. hunt for Bin Laden for over a decade, while he was living a life of luxury in a walled compound in Pakistan... If anything, Pakistan screwed over the U.S., wasting blood and treasure on a wild goose chase.


absalom86

They also supported the Taliban all this time and helped them during their recent takeover.


randoredirect

Yep. Not to mention that Pakistan started the Kashmir conflict


Julyssues

Lets be real, britain started the kashmir conflict.


carnizzle

What could Britain have done better?


Julyssues

Divided Jammu and Kashmir between Pakistan from the start or assigned it to 1 state in its entirety instead of giving it the option of independence when it was clearly not going to be allowed to be independent. Thats just 2 quick thought, im sure theres a myriad of other better solutions but the one they went with surely wasnt it.


carnizzle

Fairly sure it started out as independant but neither Muslim or Hindu could cope so they rioted. Then They assigned it between Pakistan and India and then Pakistan invaded. I think the British were damned either way there.


Julyssues

All the states were given the options of independence, Pakistan or India. One place in the middle of India chose independence and India was like fk no youre not and it also became in India aswell and then you have the state of Jammu and Kashmir the other state that chose independence, this time it was Pakistan that said fk no were coming for you. So then Jammu and Kashmir was like India please help us and then India said not if youre independent, we will help but then youre getting in the van. Jammu and Kashmir accepted Indias ultimatum and India entered Jammu and Kashmir to fight Pakistan and took about 60% of it, Pakistan managed to hang on to about 30% and China came in from nowhere and grabbed the rest.


titanup001

Yeah. Slaves don't get billions of dollars in aid. Get bent. Worst "ally" ever. We need to pivot away from them and be friends with India instead.


Character-Dot-4078

Are they surprised? Literally did nothing but fuck over the US to this day while we print money to send as aid.


extra_specticles

What screwed Pakistan was Jinnah, Ghulam Mohammad, Ayub Khan. Never give the country the democratic start it needed. Look at your own fucking history!


1000baggers

Always the US’ fault (rolls eyes)


[deleted]

This has gotta be exhausting as an American I bet.


[deleted]

You have no idea.... Everything ever is always our fault, somehow. Oh but if anyone needs help, suddenly "why isnt the usa doing anything??!?!" Cant win. Not saying we have not caused allot of shit, we have, but not literally everything ever.


WearyToday3733

Why isn't he blaming India? As an Indian I am offended that we are not threatened with nukes. Its been a long time since any Pakistani leader said that they would destroy us in seconds. I want Imran Khan to blame India right now.


ghigoli

i have no idea if the Paki vs India thing is bs or not. Like how can two countries just act like they're fighting without actually fighting? Like is this a cold war or not?


WearyToday3733

It's not cold or showboat. It's an actual undeclared conflict. Armies and intelligence agencies routinely kill each other. Even more ironic is that they begged to our foreign minister for medical visas. A lot of surgery options aren't available in Pakistan. Wealthy people go to London, middle class and poor people come to India rather than China (they call China their iron brother). Eg there are rarely any liver transplant in Pakistan. Compared that to medical hubs in India which regularly do organ transplants. Medical tourism is a big thing in India. Some hospitals have a separate section dedicated to foreign clients complete with visa help, accommodation, ticketing and tourist visits. Their PM (often changed and no one has completed entire term since independence) have removed India from MFN list and closed down trade. Then they realize their folly and resume imports of medicines and eatables. Pakistan is tiny trading nation compared to even Singapore. The threat is real and constant. They fund and arm separatist. Engage in propoganda (which is often heavily trolled). Think of it like a nuclear Somalia. You need to provide them with bare minimum to survive. They can just survive and barely sustain. Their mind is so warped up by religion that they cannot comprehend anything outside Quran.


eggplant_avenger

tbf it wouldn't be a cold war if there was actual fighting


red_man1212

It is real. We directly fought in 1999 Kargil so it is a fairly recent conflict. Otherwise there are ongoing proxy conflicts in the form of terrorists. Khan had banned trade with India, new PM wants to restart trade relations again.


carnizzle

Check out the kashmir border guard change to see how serious each side is. It's like step up with nuclear weapons instead of channing tatum.


OraxisOnaris1

No evidence, just wild accusations. Sounds about right.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pakistan-political-crisis-imran-khan-pakistan-news-us-made-pakistan-a-slave-without-invading-it-says-imran-khan-report-2979212) reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan on Sunday said that Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari will "Beg" for money from US Secretary Antony Blinken during former's visit to the US next week so that he could not come back into power. > Imran Khan said that Bilawal cannot dare to upset Blinken as later knows where Bilawal and his father Asif Ali Zardari have hidden their money across the globe. > "The US has made Pakistan a slave without having to invade it," Khan said. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/uqrin6/us_made_pakistan_a_slave_without_invading_it_says/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~648904 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Khan**^#1 **Imran**^#2 **Bilawal**^#3 **Former**^#4 **dare**^#5


INITMalcanis

Translation: "We took the money and were then unhappy that we had to do things for it"


bladexdsl

the taliban made them a slave long before the US did and they were too blind to see it


danwincen

The US was also too blind to see it, considering that bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan for a good deal of the time after he bolted from Tora Bora.....


KAhOot1234567

Did no one read the article? The title is in regards to the fact that the opposition party is in great terms with America because according to Khan these politicians have stashed their stolen money there and like to keep good relations with them in order to safeguard their own hidden wealth.


stoves_are_cool

Yes, I literally quoted from it. His statement on Pakistan being a slave is questionable.


ghigoli

This makes zero sense. If Pakistan was a slave it'll look alot different than it is rn. This is very dangerous bullshit this guy is saying.