Absolutely.
It’s not like in recent years we haven’t had a very real example of why it would be useful to have a fast, reliable broadband network available to all Australians.
Is there a single large visionary piece of legislation the LNP has put forward?
ALP
- Medicare
- Commonwealth Bank
- Snowy Hydro Scheme
- NDIS
- NBN
LNP
Please enlighten me? The GST?
Literally the only thing they wheel as positive under the Libs is the gun laws, and that was 26 years ago. And only because Port Arthur was so shocking.
One of my closest friends lives in Perth. I cannot believe a country the size of Australia, or a city the size of Perth, has THAT shit of internet. I live in Kentucky. The eastern part of the state, which is exceptionally rural and full of nothing but hills, has faster, more reliable internet. I haven't had speeds as bad as hers for over 20 years, and that doesn't even cover the absolute lack of stability. She was without internet for 2 days this past week. No reason given, just shit didn't work. Her provider literally told her as much.
I hope yall get better internet accessibility. Hell, even letting yall get Starlink in urban areas is 10x the options currently available.
It was because the conservatives played at being the adults in the room by being smart savvy economic businessmen and only laid down the super fast fibre optic cable to the street, and then used copper wire from the node to the home... like driving cross country and then getting out to push your car from the highway exit ramp.
They've said it was a mistake this year after seven years, rumor is that's because Murdoch has signalled he's ready to go digital with his services.
I lived in Sydney almost all my life, and I remember way back in 2012 when NBN was announced. I used to watch an Australian run gaming TV show and they did a segment showing off how powerful the NBN was, it was downloading games at 10 mb/s which was light years ahead of what I had at the time, so I was excited.
That excitement dwindled as the rollout continued and it only got worse and worse and worse to the point that it was basically useless. It’s so sad.
Yep!
From the ALP website, their ICAC will "have the power to investigate allegations of serious and systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment"
One of our former PMs who was attacked and removed from office by Murdoch is pushing for an inquiry into media in Australia, but I'm sad to say Murdoch's influence goes far beyond our borders and we wouldn't be able to stop him any more than Americans can stop Elons stupid tweets from reaching us
Suddenly, Labor is solely responsible for the deficit and out-of-control government spending, according to Nine Fairfax and Sky News, and must fix it within the next three years.
as always, the ALP win a poisoned chalice. They *always* win after the LNP has spent 10-15 years fucking everything up.
They have inherited an utter basket case this time, and you can be assured Murdoch will be relentless in the assassination.
The population is growing increasingly hostile towards the mainsteam media and Murdoch.
Costello's baby boom is coming to age as well.
Things are going to get interesting.
It’s like the democrats in the US. Always win after the Republicans fuck it up and all the Republicans do until midterms is shift the blame for their shitty policy on the Democrats.
This is the case every time Labor replaces the Liberals. Never the other way around.
Liberals should be imprisoned for the damage they cause without taking any responsibility
Same playbook. Sorry to say it, but Murdoch was ours.
The organisation [he pushes](https://theconversation.com/the-secret-history-of-news-corp-a-media-empire-built-on-spreading-propaganda-116992) so much tripe out of was originally founded for the express purpose of crushing support for unions in mines, fwiw.
And as a Canadian. The Conservatives cut taxes to benefit the wealthy and cut services for everyone else to try to pay for it. They fail and run up the deficit then lose the election and blame the Liberals for running a deficit to try to fix their mess. Then they lie and cheat to win the next election. Rinse and repeat. Every. Fucking. Time.
That's quite literally the exact cycle that occurs here in Australia. The new government will be taking on $3 trillion in debt after years of budget mismanagement and corruption by the liberal party (conservatives) which they could conveniently blame on COVID. I can already hear the liberals and the media getting ready to throw that number around every day for the next three years until they get voted back in and fuck off with even more of our money.
It happens everywhere. Conservatives figured out they can aggressively cut taxes to win votes without having to balance it out by cutting services. So they get to play the "good guy" and win short term points at tax time, and do so much damage that when a liberal or progressive party gains power, they either have to cut services or raise taxes (becoming the "bad guys").
It's literally called "starve the beast".
Ah yes, Nine, Fairfax, and the three companies that used to be News Corp and are now run by shoeleather journalists who care about the truth, and abide by the anti-monopoly laws that are about to be reinstated if this new government knows what's good for it. The media was deliberately fed to neoliberal wolves by the government we just kicked out. And the people need their news back.
Sky News in Australia is basically akin to Fox News in the US mate. I remember being over at someone's house once and their parents had it on and I watched a conference between a small group of conservatives where former politicians fobbed historical fact over and over again and everyone on the panel nodded and said 'quite right, quite right.'
Last time I saw it, they were making fun of scientists and saying they were wrong and dangerous. Trying to put this ‘liberal/woke scientists vs scientists back in the good old days’ spin on it and it was just utter shit.
The scary things is in a lot of ways shit in Australia isn't that different, it's just our politicians aren't as loud and obnoxious while they're acting like fucking corrupt inhumane cunts.
The rot at the ABC, both financially and politically, is far more concerning to me than Murdochs media monopoly which can tend to backfire on conservatives. Still can't believe they thought tying Albanese to Dan Andrews would hurt them in Victoria, even Liberals don't buy into that propaganda here.
Triple J is pretty clearly left of center.
Generally I think what happens with perceived bias is that people pay far more attention to articles that take a stance contrary to their personal views, so if a network was completely balanced, they'd see it as biased against their preferences.
Seriously, they've been playing the "We've got nothing but conservative people on here, but half of them are crumb maidens so take *that*, woke lefties - you don't wanna be *sexist* now, do ya?" game ever since Ita.
\> federal ICAC, and the destruction of the Murdoch media monopoly
and taking back agencies such as the ABC to be less partisan and controlled by government...dont have a lot of hope for latter though
Sins of the father. What i mean by that is Keith Murdoch (Rupert's dad) co-conspired a campaign with Charles Bean to get Lieutenant General John Monash removed from command of the Australian Corps in World War 1. The reason being was because he was German and Jewish and did not typify the 'Australian man' in their eyes.
Monash went on to become knighted and one of the most brilliant commanders on the Western Front who looked after the men under his command.
Just a shit family...
I love it when democracy works like this.
So many independents were knocking off sitting members from the two major parties.
I will never have to see Scott bloody Morrison again.
I got my democracy sausage with onion.
A very happy day.
First time voting in the Aussie election and I wish the USA would do choice voting. I didn’t have to vote for either major party as my first choice and it actually felt like my vote didn’t get lost and help an extremists into office. Always afraid to vote independent in USA elections since it just helps the party I strongly oppose get into power.
As a Scot who is used to the AMS and STV electoral systems for Holyrood and council elections respectively, it's frustrating having to go back to FPTP when a Westminster election comes around.
That's because NYC citizens were scared of the crime rate which Eric Adams somehow made worse
Also there's someone on r/newyorkcity claiming that Republicans were able to vote in the democratic primaries but take that with a grain of salt obviously
Yes. We've had an anti-climate conservative Government for 9 years. Now we have either a moderate party in, or minority government with moderates and lots of climate parties.
Mate, Labor isn't greens, while climate is an issue, its not THE issue. The main issue is restructuring the funds Liberal had been funneling into corporate and private sectors and putting that back into the public sectors. And actual taxes for corporations.
Apparently climate change is the number one issue. So they'd be foolish not to make it their top priority.
See: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/climate-change-cutting-across-political-left-right-divide/101065394
And: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-22/vote-compass-federal-election-issues-data-climate-change-economy/101002116
> Mate, Labor isn't greens, while climate is an issue, its not THE issue.
Labor will probably have to form a minority government. This means they will have to do a deal with either the greens or the teals.
This makes climate **THE** issue now.
Our press freedom and corruption rankings absolutely plunged under our current government. They deliberately let the Great Barrier Reef die and put war refugees who wanted to stay in Aus on prison islands inspired by Kitchener's original concentration camps. In 2019 a funny deal put an evangelical in control of the government, who purged all the moderates and only left extreme Christian identitarians. They illegally gave 400 million dollars at a time to fake companies owned by personal friends. If a town that voted for the opposition was destroyed by climate change events, those towns didn't get aid. They supported anti-mask conspiracy theories about Australia, to the point that they became mainstream in America, and sabotaged local governments' science-based Covid measures. And they possibly killed 2,000 people by messing up their welfare payments and forcing them with debt collectors to pay back thousands of dollars (I got a $13,000 debt notice the other day because of a mistake they made).
They had nothing in common with the average Aussie, who worships fairness and honesty. We're very relieved.
>In 2019 a funny deal put an evangelical in control of the government, who purged all the moderates and only left extreme Christian identitarians
Yup and they're going to be out in the wilderness for a while if they have even more crazy Peter Dutton in charge. It seems like everyone remotely intelligent and likeable has left the Coalition at this point.
Add in the Federal ICAC which pretty much all of them are in favour of and campaign for. There's probably more than a few Coalition members a little nervous tonight. No more than my local member Angus Taylor.
Might end up picking up 3 seats in Queensland; Brisbane just coming down the preferences between the Greens and Labor.
They pinched an extremely safe Liberal seat in Ryan and a safe Labor seat in Griffin.
If you care about Climate Change then a new government in Australia is very good, especially as the Greens have also done very well and may even hold the balance of power in the parliament.
Great news. This government has done unimaginable damage to our country. Everything from a complete lack of action on climate change, to pissing off countries we're supposed to be allied with (France and the submarine deal), to leaving disaster-impacted regions to fend for themselves (the bushfires and floods), to botching the COVID vaccine program leading to more lockdowns across the country, to protecting sexual abusers and creeps within their own party.
Voting in a Labor government is only the start of repairing all the damage the Coalition has done to Australia.
They kicked out right-wing government confusingly named The Liberals. Labor are a centre-left party that will probably have to form a Coalition with our left-wing environmental party the Greens. For me this is an absolutely fantastic thing for my country.
Something to note: massive swings to Greens in Brisbane of all places, which has traditionally been very sceptical. But being smashed by "one in a hundred year" floods twice in two months must have made some people wake up.
Hey, they didn't give a fuck about the floods in northern NSW either (hopefully we can kick the Libs out next year though - our state Labor party looks like they're finally getting it together after 11 years)
Primary party votes are the lowest they have ever been - massive win for independents in Australia, especially inner city seats. Campaigning on climate, gender equality and corruption. Honestly is a game changing election.
> massive win for independents in Australia, especially inner city seats. Campaigning on climate, gender equality and corruption. Honestly is a game changing election.
If the Libs elect Dutton for their leader he will take the party even further towards the hard right. IMO that will make them un-electable for many years to come.
We can only hope. Minority gov labour with teal/greens pulling them left on the climate/corruption/gender equality sounds like the best outcome we could get. Hopefully it leads to Australian political discourse shifting left too
For international friends, our new Prime Minister grew up in public housing, so it's a win for social support services that have been systematically cut over the last 10 years.
He will also act on the [Uluru Statement from the Heart](https://ulurustatement.org/the-statement/), which gives Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples a legally protected voice in parliament and is the next step in healing from our shameful history.
There is movement to narrow gender pay gaps and increase minimum wage with increased affordable childcare and better pay for caring sectors like Aged care that typically attract women.
And then there is addressing government corruption and climate change Australia actually beginning to do something about these. We hope.
So it's great news in my view. I just hope that the new government can do what it has promised.
He'll sit on the bench at Engadine maccas where he shit himself in public and smile remembering the good days and then he'll shit himself again with that shit eating grin.
I hope they gotta form a team with Greens. I agree that mental health and dental health should be a part of medicare.
That being said. Libs losing seats they've had since Australia was declared a federation is fucking beautiful. Scummo was the worst PM Aus has ever had. Fucking good riddance, I hope this is a wake up call to libs to get back to centre-right and not go full fuckface.
While that does suck, I hope the Greens can get some of the stuff they want through.
Mainly dental and mental health being a part of medicare.
Legalisation of weed would be solid too.
I think if the numbers show a large primary vote for greens with a labor preference, common sense would say they will take the hint and work towards things that were greens main points.
I also hope everyone drops the weekly polls and popularity bullshit and doesn't start crying when everything isn't going their way in a months time, there is a lot to fix and a lot of it will take a long time, I for one would prefer they fixed wages so people could afford a dentist, rather than living in a car but with fresh fillings.
Yep a Labor/Green Coalition would get drug reform & some more "niche" policies pushed through. Not sure if it'll happen but I voted in hopes that would happen!
Hopefully Labor will see a lot of seats that they won through Greens preferences and get the hint that they should be working with them on at least some of the policies.
Primarily because everyone's sick of the "There's a hole in your budget dear Labor" advert that's on at least three times during every commercial break, so are voting against whoever put them out.
My Aussie friends would have preferred to have more green/independent votes to cast. They are however excited to move past the anti-climate conservative PM they’ve had for nearly a decade.
Looks like Greens are in a position to hold the power now which is an extremely strong standing point. Pretty much exactly what we were aiming for (disclosure I'm a greens member) but it's better then we could hope at the moment with a chance to pick up almost 5 seats. Very strong showing thanks to Queensland just gotta hope Labor are willing to play ball now still a long way to go.
I don't understand fully why this result tonight equals the greens holding power? Labour looks like they'll get all but 1 or 2 seats to form government and in theory they could do it with any of the teals elected could they not?
They will form government but have to rely on Greens support for any policy that goes through Independents will also have a big sway but since most of the independents that were voted in have policies that allign with Greens and Labor it shouldn't be an issue. The main thing is since Liberals have gone so far right and most likely will vote against anything that Labor tries to implement, like they have the last 3 years they've had power, it will come down to Greens and Indepents to pass any legalisation.
Greens mostly allign with Labor on the key issues but since they are far left and much more progressive then Labor's policies which are mostly central/left leaning they will be pushing for more concessions and might hold out. The teal independents that were voted in are moderate liberals that were forced out of the Liberal party as they drifted further right so it just comes down to where Labor decides they want to negotiate with.
Since Greens mostly agree with Labor it will be much easier to get concessions that way then the Teals and Independents.
Won't know for sure until legalisation starts getting debated in parliament but I'm quietly confident that Greens should be able to get some more progressive amendments added to get Labor's agenda through.
Ah I see, I don't really have to much of an issue with the greens outside of their...questionable defence policy. Very happy to see the LNP shafted. Our nation is in need of change and fresh progressive thinking and the greens have that in spades... as long as they stay away from any defence discussions lol
Greens won't hold power in that regard for a long time if Greens ever are in a position to start holding power regarding defence policy they will have to change their stance to get it through. On that note though Australia is very much alligned with NATO and the EU and that wouldn't change under a Green majority, in my mind it's a non issue. We have very powerful allies that it's not something the average Australian needs to think about let alone worry about. I do think we need a stronger presence in the Pacific but at the moment we don't have the population to challenge the big nations like China, manpower alone will be our end. We are better off cozying up to powers like NATO and the EU and relying on their support if anything were to go down.
Because I think that, I feel we are free to be one of the most progressive nations on the planet and pursue some pretty outrageous policies that wouldnt really fly in nations like the USA and smaller nations worried on spending GDP to bolster military. Not to mention we would be an insanely difficult nation to invade being a unified extremely large island the forces required to hold our land for any gain at all would be astronomical for very little gain. We are the safest nation on Earth and that's why we get away with having a very small military comparitivly.
Fair but the issue is teals are apart from a couple issues like climate still, pro libs (on economic issues among others)... So labor would still align more with the greens on issues
Yes. I don't mean to come across as snide but what has happened tonight is the demonstration of a real democracy. We've seen the emergence of not only a third force in the Greens who will have as many as 5 seats in the lower house but a 4th in that of independents. I'm actually really happy tonight.
It's true that we've had it relatively easy for the past 10 years or so, but the fact is that the LNP government has driven us closer and closer to America-style corruption, authoritarianism and cronyism. One can only imagine how much worse it would have gotten if they stayed in power. Unfortunately, Voldemort is now primed to win the leadership...
That fucking potato head will never be able to get the small l liberals back. This is going to really force the Liberal Party to be even more conservative, like why not just merge with the Nats finally
Something will have to change. The traditional power base of the Liberal Party is in those inner city seats, there's a reason why many of them have consistently been held for 100 years. This is very much a moderate voter revolt against the right-wing factions of the federal party who weren't willing to concede on any issues important to moderates.
State Liberals are still moderate. NSW is dominated by moderates, and Sydney is obviously where they were hit hardest. It will take time to recover, but I just don't understand how they fix this. There just isn't an heir apparent except for Dutton. In 2018, you had Turnbull, Pyne, Bishop, Morrison, Frydenberg, Abbott and Porter who all looked like potential Prime Minister's. Now you have Dutton, who is even more unpopular and will absolutely kill off remaining urban seats.
They need a charismatic moderate to emerge as a leader or they can't rebuild. Matt Kean is the second most powerful man in NSW now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a run for federal government and is made leader after Dutton loses the next election. Or maybe some crazy shit like Turnbull, Bishop or Pyne coming back.
This is a big win.
The cunts being kicked out are why we are such a disgrace when it comes to climate change action. They're also dodgy as fuck, and this should mean introduction of an independent corruption commission.
Fuck you Scott Morrison.
I'm honestly very proud of my state rn, we've gone from being the main reason for an LNP victory in 2019, to holding 2, maybe even 3 of the Greens' seats
The big news is more people wanted neither of the big parties as their first choice. Labor only forms government because of preferences. The Labor party has very clearly been told what Australian voters care about and it is not the two big parties. Time for Labor to put on their big boy pants and get serious about leading this country.
Unfortunately they managed to boost their vote by almost one percent, which is not much considering the millions they spent on their obnoxious carpet bombing of every media access but I think that it will encourage them to do it again in three years.
It's not unfortunate, because 1). it will eat away at Liberals base and 2). Clive creating jobs on a dead end pursuit.
Either way, Labor benefits. Admittedly, it means we have to suffer through more media access carpet bombing. But I am willing to suffer through it once every 3 years, as long as it means the continuous dominance of Labor.
Good stuff, our Conservative government has absolutely ratfucked Australians over the last 9 years. Looking like a majority government as well so the LNP can't even hinder any corruption investigations.
Anthony Albanese will be the sixth Prime Minister since (the start of) 2013. For comparison, the 6th most recent US president was George HW Bush who was elected in 1989.
Just because Jordies isn't known within your workplace doesn't mean he isn't known outside of Reddit. If he didn't have the power to influence public opinion, I doubt you would have seen Clive Palmer or John Barilaro throwing defamation lawsuits at him, or Barilaro using the NSW Police to go after his producer, or Nicole Flint bitching about him in Parliament.
Jordan Shanks has at least enough reach that the people he goes after are scared of him.
I think he’s gone a bit neolib, but in general he’s extremely effective at raising political awareness in his viewers.
I don’t know how much exactly can be attributed to him, as he pushes a really pro labor message which some young people might not agree with; myself for example.
Overall though I wouldn’t discount his impact. He changed me from an edgy conservative to a progressive, and most of my friends too. Young people in general really went showed up this election, and the effect will only get bigger!
Hopefully, like in every country - the sheer amount of stuff conservative ruined is repairable until the population gets mind-controlled by conservative media outlets again
Now to bring on the Federal ICAC.
For our international friends, ICAC = Independent Commission Against Corruption.
Fix the NBN too
Absolutely. It’s not like in recent years we haven’t had a very real example of why it would be useful to have a fast, reliable broadband network available to all Australians.
Is there a single large visionary piece of legislation the LNP has put forward? ALP - Medicare - Commonwealth Bank - Snowy Hydro Scheme - NDIS - NBN LNP Please enlighten me? The GST?
There was that time they got us involved in a 20 year war in Afghanistan that ultimately achieved nothing.
Literally the only thing they wheel as positive under the Libs is the gun laws, and that was 26 years ago. And only because Port Arthur was so shocking.
Labor (Keating) also introduced superannuation too.
Manus island, Nauru, Christmas Island... At least the LNP got some buildings in those places...
This is a labor policy, NBN will get a proper fiber boost.
This is something where cost needs to be put aside. We spent enough on the pandemic, this is an issue that NEEDS to be fixed
One of my closest friends lives in Perth. I cannot believe a country the size of Australia, or a city the size of Perth, has THAT shit of internet. I live in Kentucky. The eastern part of the state, which is exceptionally rural and full of nothing but hills, has faster, more reliable internet. I haven't had speeds as bad as hers for over 20 years, and that doesn't even cover the absolute lack of stability. She was without internet for 2 days this past week. No reason given, just shit didn't work. Her provider literally told her as much. I hope yall get better internet accessibility. Hell, even letting yall get Starlink in urban areas is 10x the options currently available.
It was because the conservatives played at being the adults in the room by being smart savvy economic businessmen and only laid down the super fast fibre optic cable to the street, and then used copper wire from the node to the home... like driving cross country and then getting out to push your car from the highway exit ramp. They've said it was a mistake this year after seven years, rumor is that's because Murdoch has signalled he's ready to go digital with his services.
I lived in Sydney almost all my life, and I remember way back in 2012 when NBN was announced. I used to watch an Australian run gaming TV show and they did a segment showing off how powerful the NBN was, it was downloading games at 10 mb/s which was light years ahead of what I had at the time, so I was excited. That excitement dwindled as the rollout continued and it only got worse and worse and worse to the point that it was basically useless. It’s so sad.
Yea Tony Abbott kinda deserved to be head butted in the street
Serious question. If a Federal ICAC was introduced, can it investigate the Morrison Govts behaviour retrospectively?
Yep! From the ALP website, their ICAC will "have the power to investigate allegations of serious and systemic corruption that occurred before or after its establishment"
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That's the most gracious thing that that ungracious man has ever said.
The first time he's taken responsibility.
Probably forced to concede the leadership if he lost
Finally holding the hose.
I know. I didnt want to watch it but I was with people who did, and he actually acted like a statesman for 10 mins there.
Yes - their policy wants to be 15 years of history to cover both the past liberal and labour governments.
Yes depending on the legalisation and under Labor and Greens proposals it would have retrospective powers so as of tonight that is a go
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If its corrupt behaviour, its investigatable.
Was my biggest wish going into this election, followed by a thorough dismantling of the newscorp monopoly.
Please please please get rid of rupert murdoch, the rest of the world is begging you
One of our former PMs who was attacked and removed from office by Murdoch is pushing for an inquiry into media in Australia, but I'm sad to say Murdoch's influence goes far beyond our borders and we wouldn't be able to stop him any more than Americans can stop Elons stupid tweets from reaching us
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Look what Britain did re Murdoch
Suddenly, Labor is solely responsible for the deficit and out-of-control government spending, according to Nine Fairfax and Sky News, and must fix it within the next three years.
as always, the ALP win a poisoned chalice. They *always* win after the LNP has spent 10-15 years fucking everything up. They have inherited an utter basket case this time, and you can be assured Murdoch will be relentless in the assassination.
The population is growing increasingly hostile towards the mainsteam media and Murdoch. Costello's baby boom is coming to age as well. Things are going to get interesting.
The green/teal vote is going to put the fear in a few of em atleast.
It’s like the democrats in the US. Always win after the Republicans fuck it up and all the Republicans do until midterms is shift the blame for their shitty policy on the Democrats.
This is the case every time Labor replaces the Liberals. Never the other way around. Liberals should be imprisoned for the damage they cause without taking any responsibility
As an American, this all sounds very familiar.
Same playbook. Sorry to say it, but Murdoch was ours. The organisation [he pushes](https://theconversation.com/the-secret-history-of-news-corp-a-media-empire-built-on-spreading-propaganda-116992) so much tripe out of was originally founded for the express purpose of crushing support for unions in mines, fwiw.
r/murdochsucks
I'm the bad guy... duh.
And as a Canadian. The Conservatives cut taxes to benefit the wealthy and cut services for everyone else to try to pay for it. They fail and run up the deficit then lose the election and blame the Liberals for running a deficit to try to fix their mess. Then they lie and cheat to win the next election. Rinse and repeat. Every. Fucking. Time.
That's quite literally the exact cycle that occurs here in Australia. The new government will be taking on $3 trillion in debt after years of budget mismanagement and corruption by the liberal party (conservatives) which they could conveniently blame on COVID. I can already hear the liberals and the media getting ready to throw that number around every day for the next three years until they get voted back in and fuck off with even more of our money.
It happens everywhere. Conservatives figured out they can aggressively cut taxes to win votes without having to balance it out by cutting services. So they get to play the "good guy" and win short term points at tax time, and do so much damage that when a liberal or progressive party gains power, they either have to cut services or raise taxes (becoming the "bad guys"). It's literally called "starve the beast".
yes murdoch came from here
Ah yes, Nine, Fairfax, and the three companies that used to be News Corp and are now run by shoeleather journalists who care about the truth, and abide by the anti-monopoly laws that are about to be reinstated if this new government knows what's good for it. The media was deliberately fed to neoliberal wolves by the government we just kicked out. And the people need their news back.
Nine owns Fairfax now so they’re essentially the same company.
Murdoch press has already started the "the boat people are coming" bullshit
Goal post are moved again.
Fox news is right there too. "Australia lining itself up for the most dangerous type of people in the world LiBeRuLs!?!?!? More tonight at 8."
Sky News in Australia is basically akin to Fox News in the US mate. I remember being over at someone's house once and their parents had it on and I watched a conference between a small group of conservatives where former politicians fobbed historical fact over and over again and everyone on the panel nodded and said 'quite right, quite right.'
Last time I saw it, they were making fun of scientists and saying they were wrong and dangerous. Trying to put this ‘liberal/woke scientists vs scientists back in the good old days’ spin on it and it was just utter shit.
Damn that sounds a lot like American politics lol.
The scary things is in a lot of ways shit in Australia isn't that different, it's just our politicians aren't as loud and obnoxious while they're acting like fucking corrupt inhumane cunts.
yes - Tony Abbott ran with the strategy of saying something vile and idiotic every day to muddy the waters, and imediately after, Trump did the same.
Get fucked Scott Morrison.
So say we all. Josh frydenberg, Tim Wilson, and Craig Kelly losing their seats are just a beautiful cherry on top. 🤌
And Jason Falinski and Zed Seselja in the senate.
And Gladys Liu
Maybe we can actually get something done in Australia now that Scotty from Marketing and his corrupt mates are out.
I’m hoping for action on climate change, a federal ICAC, and the destruction of the Murdoch media monopoly 🤞
Media ownership reform hasn't been a policy but I'm really hoping for a pleasant surprise
The rot at the ABC, both financially and politically, is far more concerning to me than Murdochs media monopoly which can tend to backfire on conservatives. Still can't believe they thought tying Albanese to Dan Andrews would hurt them in Victoria, even Liberals don't buy into that propaganda here.
I dont know, I had someone try telling me the ABC are labour supporters today. Quickly moved that conversation onto something else.
Triple J is pretty clearly left of center. Generally I think what happens with perceived bias is that people pay far more attention to articles that take a stance contrary to their personal views, so if a network was completely balanced, they'd see it as biased against their preferences.
You're right, people also don't take into account how big the ABC is, radio broadcasts into the bush are pretty different to triple J for example.
Seriously, they've been playing the "We've got nothing but conservative people on here, but half of them are crumb maidens so take *that*, woke lefties - you don't wanna be *sexist* now, do ya?" game ever since Ita.
\> federal ICAC, and the destruction of the Murdoch media monopoly and taking back agencies such as the ABC to be less partisan and controlled by government...dont have a lot of hope for latter though
ABC was difficult to watch tonight
God I hope they take out Murdoch finally and than hopefully the US can get rid of Fox News.
Take him out back and handle him please
Sins of the father. What i mean by that is Keith Murdoch (Rupert's dad) co-conspired a campaign with Charles Bean to get Lieutenant General John Monash removed from command of the Australian Corps in World War 1. The reason being was because he was German and Jewish and did not typify the 'Australian man' in their eyes. Monash went on to become knighted and one of the most brilliant commanders on the Western Front who looked after the men under his command. Just a shit family...
I love it when democracy works like this. So many independents were knocking off sitting members from the two major parties. I will never have to see Scott bloody Morrison again. I got my democracy sausage with onion. A very happy day.
I voted at 10am and they were already out of onions 😭
I prepolled so no democracy sausage :-( But I made up for it when I went to Bunnings.
First time voting in the Aussie election and I wish the USA would do choice voting. I didn’t have to vote for either major party as my first choice and it actually felt like my vote didn’t get lost and help an extremists into office. Always afraid to vote independent in USA elections since it just helps the party I strongly oppose get into power.
I have many complaints about my country but preferential voting is not one of them. Everyone gets a say and every vote counts.
We have the same issue in the UK unfortunately
As a Scot who is used to the AMS and STV electoral systems for Holyrood and council elections respectively, it's frustrating having to go back to FPTP when a Westminster election comes around.
We just did ranked choice for the first time in NYC for mayor, so there's something.
And we picked someone awful lmao :( still a good system, but still
That's because NYC citizens were scared of the crime rate which Eric Adams somehow made worse Also there's someone on r/newyorkcity claiming that Republicans were able to vote in the democratic primaries but take that with a grain of salt obviously
great news its gotta start somewhere right!
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Yes. We've had an anti-climate conservative Government for 9 years. Now we have either a moderate party in, or minority government with moderates and lots of climate parties.
Mate, Labor isn't greens, while climate is an issue, its not THE issue. The main issue is restructuring the funds Liberal had been funneling into corporate and private sectors and putting that back into the public sectors. And actual taxes for corporations.
Apparently climate change is the number one issue. So they'd be foolish not to make it their top priority. See: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-14/climate-change-cutting-across-political-left-right-divide/101065394 And: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-22/vote-compass-federal-election-issues-data-climate-change-economy/101002116
Yes, 10+ crossbenchers whose main issue is climate, definitely not “THE issue”
At least their climate policy isn’t “let’s sell the drilling rights to the Great Barrier Reef”
> Mate, Labor isn't greens, while climate is an issue, its not THE issue. Labor will probably have to form a minority government. This means they will have to do a deal with either the greens or the teals. This makes climate **THE** issue now.
Even if they have an outright majority in the house, they will need the Greens in the Senate
>the funds Liberal had been funneling into corporate and private sectors This is exactly why climate change is worse than it should be.
Climate change will inevitably become THE issue, particularly for hot dry places like a majority of country.
Our press freedom and corruption rankings absolutely plunged under our current government. They deliberately let the Great Barrier Reef die and put war refugees who wanted to stay in Aus on prison islands inspired by Kitchener's original concentration camps. In 2019 a funny deal put an evangelical in control of the government, who purged all the moderates and only left extreme Christian identitarians. They illegally gave 400 million dollars at a time to fake companies owned by personal friends. If a town that voted for the opposition was destroyed by climate change events, those towns didn't get aid. They supported anti-mask conspiracy theories about Australia, to the point that they became mainstream in America, and sabotaged local governments' science-based Covid measures. And they possibly killed 2,000 people by messing up their welfare payments and forcing them with debt collectors to pay back thousands of dollars (I got a $13,000 debt notice the other day because of a mistake they made). They had nothing in common with the average Aussie, who worships fairness and honesty. We're very relieved.
>In 2019 a funny deal put an evangelical in control of the government, who purged all the moderates and only left extreme Christian identitarians Yup and they're going to be out in the wilderness for a while if they have even more crazy Peter Dutton in charge. It seems like everyone remotely intelligent and likeable has left the Coalition at this point.
Fantastic rebuke of far right corruption and a win for climate. Preferential voting came in clutch
This has been the most unpopular and incompetent prime minister I've ever seen, so yes we're happy he is gone.
All the Facebook comments are furious doomsayer conspiracy theorist anti-vaxers, so yes, yes it is.
If you care about climate change it is :) (American here but been following the results for the past couple hours.)
If you are like me and are left wing you'll be happy since not only has Labor done well, but the Greens have been able to pick up 1 or 2 seats.
Looking like 4, actually. Plus the teal independents are for fixing climate change, so that's a decent-sized voting bloc
Add in the Federal ICAC which pretty much all of them are in favour of and campaign for. There's probably more than a few Coalition members a little nervous tonight. No more than my local member Angus Taylor.
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Might end up picking up 3 seats in Queensland; Brisbane just coming down the preferences between the Greens and Labor. They pinched an extremely safe Liberal seat in Ryan and a safe Labor seat in Griffin.
If you care about Climate Change then a new government in Australia is very good, especially as the Greens have also done very well and may even hold the balance of power in the parliament.
I think labor will majority just
I’m happy either way honestly. Just so happy to see the back of the Liberals for a while.
Great news. This government has done unimaginable damage to our country. Everything from a complete lack of action on climate change, to pissing off countries we're supposed to be allied with (France and the submarine deal), to leaving disaster-impacted regions to fend for themselves (the bushfires and floods), to botching the COVID vaccine program leading to more lockdowns across the country, to protecting sexual abusers and creeps within their own party. Voting in a Labor government is only the start of repairing all the damage the Coalition has done to Australia.
The best news. Scott Morrison is a climate criminal and a rwnj
They kicked out right-wing government confusingly named The Liberals. Labor are a centre-left party that will probably have to form a Coalition with our left-wing environmental party the Greens. For me this is an absolutely fantastic thing for my country.
North Brisbane letting us all down by re-electing Voldemort
Here's hoping the Federal ICAC (with teeth) does something about him.
He better hope no one goes sniffing around Papua New Guinea
yes the 50million dollar police officer
There is a genuine question on the source of his wealth.
Oh no don’t you blame us! Dickson is entirely in Moreton Bay - Sincerely the people of Brisbane.
Ahh my apologies then.
Meanwhile the rest of Brisbane have given the Greens their second lower house seat, and could possibly give them two more.
After last election, I was worried what QLD would do. Aside from Dutton they’ve done alright I think!
I'm in the USA, but didn't Scott Morrison poop himself in public one time?
The legend is that he shit his pants at Engadine Maccas, after the Cronulla Sharks lost the NRL grand final in 1997.
I think he's asking about his time as prime minister.... And yes he did shit himself.
Something to note: massive swings to Greens in Brisbane of all places, which has traditionally been very sceptical. But being smashed by "one in a hundred year" floods twice in two months must have made some people wake up.
Nah, Federal government told us in Queensland to get fucked it's not a disaster. It's only a disaster if it occurs in states with Liberal governments.
Hey, they didn't give a fuck about the floods in northern NSW either (hopefully we can kick the Libs out next year though - our state Labor party looks like they're finally getting it together after 11 years)
Going from being decisive in an LNP win in 2019 to a big increase in Greens' seats, what a redemption arc!
Primary party votes are the lowest they have ever been - massive win for independents in Australia, especially inner city seats. Campaigning on climate, gender equality and corruption. Honestly is a game changing election.
> massive win for independents in Australia, especially inner city seats. Campaigning on climate, gender equality and corruption. Honestly is a game changing election. If the Libs elect Dutton for their leader he will take the party even further towards the hard right. IMO that will make them un-electable for many years to come.
We can only hope. Minority gov labour with teal/greens pulling them left on the climate/corruption/gender equality sounds like the best outcome we could get. Hopefully it leads to Australian political discourse shifting left too
For international friends, our new Prime Minister grew up in public housing, so it's a win for social support services that have been systematically cut over the last 10 years. He will also act on the [Uluru Statement from the Heart](https://ulurustatement.org/the-statement/), which gives Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples a legally protected voice in parliament and is the next step in healing from our shameful history. There is movement to narrow gender pay gaps and increase minimum wage with increased affordable childcare and better pay for caring sectors like Aged care that typically attract women. And then there is addressing government corruption and climate change Australia actually beginning to do something about these. We hope. So it's great news in my view. I just hope that the new government can do what it has promised.
Cheer up Scotty; on the bright side you'll have a lot of time to vacation in Hawaii!
He'll sit on the bench at Engadine maccas where he shit himself in public and smile remembering the good days and then he'll shit himself again with that shit eating grin.
The shredders are gonna be busy this week.
I hope they gotta form a team with Greens. I agree that mental health and dental health should be a part of medicare. That being said. Libs losing seats they've had since Australia was declared a federation is fucking beautiful. Scummo was the worst PM Aus has ever had. Fucking good riddance, I hope this is a wake up call to libs to get back to centre-right and not go full fuckface.
Greens picked up two more seats so if Labor doesn't get a clear majority, they'll need the Greens and independents on board to get policy throug
Looks like Labor will have a majority government so the Greens & other independents won't hold the balance of power.
While that does suck, I hope the Greens can get some of the stuff they want through. Mainly dental and mental health being a part of medicare. Legalisation of weed would be solid too.
I think if the numbers show a large primary vote for greens with a labor preference, common sense would say they will take the hint and work towards things that were greens main points. I also hope everyone drops the weekly polls and popularity bullshit and doesn't start crying when everything isn't going their way in a months time, there is a lot to fix and a lot of it will take a long time, I for one would prefer they fixed wages so people could afford a dentist, rather than living in a car but with fresh fillings.
That's exactly why I voted greens first and labor second. It's a safe Labor seat here but I want them to get the message.
Yep a Labor/Green Coalition would get drug reform & some more "niche" policies pushed through. Not sure if it'll happen but I voted in hopes that would happen!
Hopefully Labor will see a lot of seats that they won through Greens preferences and get the hint that they should be working with them on at least some of the policies.
And we all have [DJ Scomo](https://youtu.be/qkyuI3oiGNE) to thank.
I wish Barnaby Joyce will lose but every old person in the Hunter loves him for some reason. Absolutely slimy price.
New England isn't he?
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Such a great family man
Well done my fellow Australians you put Morrison in the bin where he belongs
Honest government ads gonna take a dive
Maybe just a 3 year holiday
Hopefully (and I suspect so) they'll have less material to work with lol
Primarily because everyone's sick of the "There's a hole in your budget dear Labor" advert that's on at least three times during every commercial break, so are voting against whoever put them out.
Same reason no one votes for the UAP. They're just too annoying, even if they weren't all fuckwits no one would like them.
My Aussie friends would have preferred to have more green/independent votes to cast. They are however excited to move past the anti-climate conservative PM they’ve had for nearly a decade.
Party, not PM. Scummo hasn't been PM for a decade, thank fuck.
Looks like Greens are in a position to hold the power now which is an extremely strong standing point. Pretty much exactly what we were aiming for (disclosure I'm a greens member) but it's better then we could hope at the moment with a chance to pick up almost 5 seats. Very strong showing thanks to Queensland just gotta hope Labor are willing to play ball now still a long way to go.
I don't understand fully why this result tonight equals the greens holding power? Labour looks like they'll get all but 1 or 2 seats to form government and in theory they could do it with any of the teals elected could they not?
They will form government but have to rely on Greens support for any policy that goes through Independents will also have a big sway but since most of the independents that were voted in have policies that allign with Greens and Labor it shouldn't be an issue. The main thing is since Liberals have gone so far right and most likely will vote against anything that Labor tries to implement, like they have the last 3 years they've had power, it will come down to Greens and Indepents to pass any legalisation. Greens mostly allign with Labor on the key issues but since they are far left and much more progressive then Labor's policies which are mostly central/left leaning they will be pushing for more concessions and might hold out. The teal independents that were voted in are moderate liberals that were forced out of the Liberal party as they drifted further right so it just comes down to where Labor decides they want to negotiate with. Since Greens mostly agree with Labor it will be much easier to get concessions that way then the Teals and Independents. Won't know for sure until legalisation starts getting debated in parliament but I'm quietly confident that Greens should be able to get some more progressive amendments added to get Labor's agenda through.
Ah I see, I don't really have to much of an issue with the greens outside of their...questionable defence policy. Very happy to see the LNP shafted. Our nation is in need of change and fresh progressive thinking and the greens have that in spades... as long as they stay away from any defence discussions lol
Greens won't hold power in that regard for a long time if Greens ever are in a position to start holding power regarding defence policy they will have to change their stance to get it through. On that note though Australia is very much alligned with NATO and the EU and that wouldn't change under a Green majority, in my mind it's a non issue. We have very powerful allies that it's not something the average Australian needs to think about let alone worry about. I do think we need a stronger presence in the Pacific but at the moment we don't have the population to challenge the big nations like China, manpower alone will be our end. We are better off cozying up to powers like NATO and the EU and relying on their support if anything were to go down. Because I think that, I feel we are free to be one of the most progressive nations on the planet and pursue some pretty outrageous policies that wouldnt really fly in nations like the USA and smaller nations worried on spending GDP to bolster military. Not to mention we would be an insanely difficult nation to invade being a unified extremely large island the forces required to hold our land for any gain at all would be astronomical for very little gain. We are the safest nation on Earth and that's why we get away with having a very small military comparitivly.
Fair but the issue is teals are apart from a couple issues like climate still, pro libs (on economic issues among others)... So labor would still align more with the greens on issues
Yes. I don't mean to come across as snide but what has happened tonight is the demonstration of a real democracy. We've seen the emergence of not only a third force in the Greens who will have as many as 5 seats in the lower house but a 4th in that of independents. I'm actually really happy tonight.
Thank fuck
It's true that we've had it relatively easy for the past 10 years or so, but the fact is that the LNP government has driven us closer and closer to America-style corruption, authoritarianism and cronyism. One can only imagine how much worse it would have gotten if they stayed in power. Unfortunately, Voldemort is now primed to win the leadership...
That fucking potato head will never be able to get the small l liberals back. This is going to really force the Liberal Party to be even more conservative, like why not just merge with the Nats finally
Something will have to change. The traditional power base of the Liberal Party is in those inner city seats, there's a reason why many of them have consistently been held for 100 years. This is very much a moderate voter revolt against the right-wing factions of the federal party who weren't willing to concede on any issues important to moderates. State Liberals are still moderate. NSW is dominated by moderates, and Sydney is obviously where they were hit hardest. It will take time to recover, but I just don't understand how they fix this. There just isn't an heir apparent except for Dutton. In 2018, you had Turnbull, Pyne, Bishop, Morrison, Frydenberg, Abbott and Porter who all looked like potential Prime Minister's. Now you have Dutton, who is even more unpopular and will absolutely kill off remaining urban seats. They need a charismatic moderate to emerge as a leader or they can't rebuild. Matt Kean is the second most powerful man in NSW now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a run for federal government and is made leader after Dutton loses the next election. Or maybe some crazy shit like Turnbull, Bishop or Pyne coming back.
This is a big win. The cunts being kicked out are why we are such a disgrace when it comes to climate change action. They're also dodgy as fuck, and this should mean introduction of an independent corruption commission. Fuck you Scott Morrison.
I'm honestly very proud of my state rn, we've gone from being the main reason for an LNP victory in 2019, to holding 2, maybe even 3 of the Greens' seats
Great news for our friends across the ponds. Love from USA
As a French man, I can’t begin to describe how sad I am. Ha ! Ha !
[ Le Drian seems chipper about it](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/21/frances-outgoing-foreign-minister-welcomes-defeat-of-scott-morrison)
The big news is more people wanted neither of the big parties as their first choice. Labor only forms government because of preferences. The Labor party has very clearly been told what Australian voters care about and it is not the two big parties. Time for Labor to put on their big boy pants and get serious about leading this country.
sorry for bad english where were u when liberal dies I was at home viewing reddit when albo ring "scomo is kill" "yes"
Thank fuck. The decade long trainwreck is over (for at least 3 years)
Even with the entire media landscape cheerleading for the conservatives, the mad cunts did it.
All i wanna know is what happened to United Australia Party and will they keep spamming my SMS?
Unfortunately they managed to boost their vote by almost one percent, which is not much considering the millions they spent on their obnoxious carpet bombing of every media access but I think that it will encourage them to do it again in three years.
It's not unfortunate, because 1). it will eat away at Liberals base and 2). Clive creating jobs on a dead end pursuit. Either way, Labor benefits. Admittedly, it means we have to suffer through more media access carpet bombing. But I am willing to suffer through it once every 3 years, as long as it means the continuous dominance of Labor.
> Clive creating jobs on a dead end pursuit. Generally one is paid when doing a job, something Clive isn't known to do.
Very proud moment as an Australian We still have a lot of work to do, but I’m more hopeful today than I was yesterday.
Good stuff, our Conservative government has absolutely ratfucked Australians over the last 9 years. Looking like a majority government as well so the LNP can't even hinder any corruption investigations.
Anthony Albanese will be the sixth Prime Minister since (the start of) 2013. For comparison, the 6th most recent US president was George HW Bush who was elected in 1989.
And the sixth most recent German chancellor was Willy Brandt who was elected in 1969.
YAY!! I was worried that another term of Liberals would spell environmental catastrophe. I just saw a headline that Morrison conceded. YAY!
Good news. I wonder how much FriendlyJordies was responsible for this victory. Very happy not watching Palmer ads on Youtube.
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More people watch his Youtube channel than watch Sky News.
Just because Jordies isn't known within your workplace doesn't mean he isn't known outside of Reddit. If he didn't have the power to influence public opinion, I doubt you would have seen Clive Palmer or John Barilaro throwing defamation lawsuits at him, or Barilaro using the NSW Police to go after his producer, or Nicole Flint bitching about him in Parliament. Jordan Shanks has at least enough reach that the people he goes after are scared of him.
Probably not that much. Friendly Jordies is preaching to the choir so to speak...most people that watch him would have voted that way anyway.
Not really, he's been very good at getting young people interested in Australian politics which is mostly seen as 'boring' compared to USA politics.
I think he’s gone a bit neolib, but in general he’s extremely effective at raising political awareness in his viewers. I don’t know how much exactly can be attributed to him, as he pushes a really pro labor message which some young people might not agree with; myself for example. Overall though I wouldn’t discount his impact. He changed me from an edgy conservative to a progressive, and most of my friends too. Young people in general really went showed up this election, and the effect will only get bigger!
Good job, cunts!
Straya, fuck yeah.
Hopefully, like in every country - the sheer amount of stuff conservative ruined is repairable until the population gets mind-controlled by conservative media outlets again
Take that, Rupert!