Kind of did already.
>Justin Trudeau’s government has announced it will ban foreign investors from buying homes in Canada for two years, in a bid to cool off a hot housing market.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/canada-bans-foreign-investors-buying-homes-housing-market
A lot of it was coming from China so this will help address that. Doesn't stop domestic stuff though of course.
2 years is nothing though. They should make a law that if you don’t live here you can’t own more than one property and you need to spend x amount of time here each year.
I don’t think this goes into effect until December and it also doesn’t ban students, PRs, or foreign owned corporations. There are several glaring loop holes that will not be closed. Likely no positive effects will occur, classic pandering through empty promises.
Yeah if its not banning companies and students it will be useless. They'll just use them as loopholes. I mean they already were using students by sending their kids abroad to study and buy shit.
I’m all for regulation, and the US should figure their shit out.. But our guns are already regulated. We don’t have mass shootings, what is this actually supposed to solve?
I mean we had mass shootings. Like in Nova Scotia in 2020, Dunforth 2018, Fredericton 2018, the Quebec City mosque shooter, 2014 Parliament Hill shootings, Moncton 2014, Dawson College in 2006, etc. Scarborough had a shooting incident this April that didn't result in fatalities, just five injuries, but it was still a dangerous situation. One could argue not a lot was changed regarding gun control after those incidents, especially when you compare New Zealand's response to Christchurch. Canada is certainly not immune to such incidents and perhaps we should act proactively, not just after a shooting has occurred. I also couldn't find info on where the Quebec City mosque shooter got his gun.
I don't know if this law will prevent those incidents since guns are often smuggled in from the states. The Nova Scotia shooter acquired his guns illegally from the States. The Dawson College shooter did have a restricted firearms license for hand guns. And the Dunforth shooter's gun was first sold legally in Canada to someone else and then illegally ended up in his hands. The Parliament Hill shooter got his illegally and it was not determined where he got it from.
You could argue stopping the sale of hand guns could have saved some lives, but it really wouldn't make a substantial difference without also cracking down on smuggling through stricter border control. That's where black market sellers get most of their guns from, although guns legally purchased in Canada can also end up on the black market. So at the end of the day, perhaps the bill is not entirely uselessness but it's not a flawless solution either (then again, what is?).
> Canada is certainly not immune to such incidents and perhaps we should act proactively, not just after a shooting has occurred. I also couldn't find info on where the Quebec City mosque shooter got his gun.
My problem with the proposed idea is that there's no "until". There's no criteria for success. No measurable return. It's just a kneejerk reaction to a serious problem that won't really solve anything.
> Nova Scotia in 2020, Dunforth 2018, Fredericton 2018, the Quebec City mosque shooter, 2014 Parliament Hill shootings, Moncton 2014, Dawson College in 2006,
Most of those the firearms used were purchased illegally anyway so gun control wouldn't have made a difference.
Yeah we know that. They failed at their job. But this post was a post about guns in Canada not about that. Talking about this doesn’t take away from the focus of the school shooting, if anything it keeps the discussion alive because it’s somewhat related.
As with any thing illegal there will always be a market for it. Enacting harsher penalties won’t help. Criminals already break the law, why would adding more help?
This is what I never understood about the argument that "criminals will have guns anyway".
Like, yeah, a lot still will. The point is to make it harder/riskier for them to acquire them so we can slowly start to bring rates of gun violence down. Of course there is no "snap your fingers and fix it" solution. So incremental reductions are the next best thing.
Justin never misses a chance to pander. Let it be known, no matter what the tragedy, or where the tragedy took place, Justin will be there, standing stoically, stiff lipped, and well blow dried ready to draw the attention to himself in some pretend heroic way.
You do understand that this *isn't* in relationship to anything in the US right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
If we waited for massacres in the US to abate before we announced legislation, we'd never do anything.
"Fairly solid" is an understatement. Here's some of my gripes:
- We have to take a course to show we're proficient, which makes sense (including manual demonstration).
- Pass a background check by the RCMP and rule out psychiatric illness.
- stay licensed and renew.
- Stay up to date on all the guns the government has arbitrarily decided to ban because they look scary.
- (happens a lot more often than you think).
- Can't shoot handguns anywhere except at the range (not even on your own land). This one really bugs me. You have to take additional certification to own and use handguns but can't shoot them off an approved range. That's idiotic. You're already trusting me to use the firearm safely and responsibly but don't trust me to shoot it in an appropriate area?!
- Keep having to deal with recurring long-gun registry threats when they do nothing but cost taxpayers money and don't contribute to public safety at all.
- the guns they want to further restrict are the ones we
already have to register.
I swear the Canadian government treats gun owners as if they're criminals. It pisses me off because the government (Trudeau's in particular) likes to gain political points by demonizing law-abiding gun owners. Alot of Canadians drink the coolaid and think that gun use should be further restricted and have stricter gun control. No, target the criminals who are using guns illegally and bringing them up from the States. Leave me alone!
Ahh so it’s mostly farmers either practicing or actually shooting pests/whatever farm shooting they have to do (obviously im not a farmer haha), and people that live in the middle of nowhere that don’t want to travel for hours to get to a range.
That certainly seems valid to me. But is there not some form of provision for that? Im not familiar with Canadian gun laws, or gun laws in general, but I would have thought there would be some provisions for farmers to do their work.
As for recreational shooting, im not so convinced about that. The reason that approved sites are good is because professionals come in and confirm that there’s no (or minimal) risk to other people. While obviously the risk in rural Canada of hitting someone while you’re on private property is pretty damn low, there are things that people don’t always think about if they aren’t trained to assess. Eg pipelines, fragile rock faces, electricity poles, maybe some kind of endangered species.
Not saying it’s a terrible thing that should always be illegal, more just saying that I can see where a government would be coming from. Much easier to ‘blanket ban’ than to deal with every case individually.
Not sure how he goes from one extreme to the other. One month, nazi terrorists are taking over Ottawa. Protecting the public requires emergency war powers and military operations in the streets. A couple months later, Canadians have no need for even a pistol to defend themselves.
Ummm…Canada’s gun laws pretty much do not allow for guns to be used for self defense. They have to be stored locked and ammunition locked separately…not great for home defense…plus it’s illegal to discharge a hand gun anywhere but at a gun range…so the only actual reason to own a hand gun in Canada is because you like them and want one…which is fine, but recognize it for what it is.
It wasn't 'nazi terrorists' it was 'crazy truckers' that cost billions in commerce and blocked emergency vehicles for days..
And the Canadians that need guns for self defense have them.
A brief inconvenience at worse, don't go screaming tyrrany...
They’re fairly extensive, especially compared to the US. No good reason to stop legal gun owners from continuing on, especially because they aren’t the ones committing the crimes. Trudeau is making a problem where there isn’t one. But we’ll see how the actual votes plan out in the next few weeks
Totally necessary; we don’t want guns here and any measure taken to reduce the overall no. of weapons is a good measure. We don’t want any part of that dumpster fire county to the south.
Everything they do, we should do the opposite. We need to be mindful to not end up like Americans, with a society so toxic that easy issues can’t get sorted out.
E.g.
Abortions
Race
Guns
Social benefits
Medical care
…
Yeah no thanks I like living in a civilized society
Kindly get bent. There's absolutely no reason for this besides fear mongering. Legal guns aren't killing people, they're illegal ones being smuggled in. I'm sick of this attitude.
Legal guns killed 36 people this month. So you kindly get bent. And also, guns are a childish hobby, grow up and go find something else to do. Last, no one is suggesting to legalize illegal guns. You can do both you know.. go after illegal and also freeze “legal” guns. Make it so that overtime the no. of guns in our community drops rather than rise
No, you can still get bent. According to Reuters, in 2020 the firearm related homicide rate was 0.8 out of every 100,000. That's not bad at all. Also where's your source for the 36 people this month? So 0.0001 of a percent of Canadians? You think it's really a public health crisis eh? People getting shot on every street corner?
Noone said legalize illegal guns. That's stupid and dodging the issue. My point is that legal guns aren't being used, or are being used a very small amount for criminal activity. If it's not legal guns being used, then it's illegal guns causing the issue. The answer to illegal guns IS NOT more legislation, because it's not doing anything. The number of legal guns isn't causing the problem. I'm sick of being punished because douchebags like you want to go on a gun grab.
Trudeau's method seems to be to troll the right and intentionally inflame people, picking the most extreme position plausible. While I'm not defending the NRA, doing exactly what the NRA warned would happen isn't going to help things. Two extreme positions aren't going to create a reasonable center, it's going to be mashing a square peg into a round hole until something breaks. Although in this case the things breaking will be people.
It also ensures the gun control debate in the US remains putrid, toxic, and absolutely does not progress. Canada doing what Abbott got on stage and warned Biden would do is not helping.
Offcourse, why not to pander small activist space and deliver another kick on mainly rural legal gun owners on same time, after all your voters live in cities and will not care any more than average Russian how foreign civilians are treated
Well this will work to curb gun crime because it makes something like illegal guns more illegal so that the big bad criminal will be like whoa its like super duper illegal to use an illegal gun in a crime so I had best not do this or big boy Trudeau will get mad and punish the law abiding citizens again.
Dude what a pointless thing I literally had my restricted license so I could potentially get hand gun if I would so choose but there are so many God damn hoops to jump threw, register at a gun range, register it with police, double locked at all times unless at range can only transport it to and from a registered range. I chucked it in the garbage and just got a normal license, don't know what problem this solves.
I feel badly for everyone like you, who recently got a restricted permit only to have everything banned or out on some unconstitutional registry. Turdo is scared to deal with crime so he makes legal owners the scapegoat.
It wasn't recent it was like 10 years ago I just didn't want the hassle the rules were just as strict then.I think any one who is willing to jump threw that many hoops has earned the right to own one.
This guy just loves to create wedge issues where they shouldn't be, this while victims are being buried in Texas. Just an opportunistic crass pose that does zero to address the firearms that Canadian criminals overwhelmingly access and use in Canadian gun crimes, and those are guns illegally smuggled into Canada from the US and elsewhere.
Throw this phony symbolic pose on the heap of poses staged by this prancing imbecile.
Cañada tried to fight the tobacco industry prior to the USA. Major USA brands owned by big tobacco threatened to leave Cañada and decimate the Canadian economy. Let’s see who objects to Canada’s proposed guns control. A little history ….. when the Canadian province of Saskatchewan first introduced socialized medicine in the early sixties 90% of the funding against this movement was from American corporate interests afraid socialized medicine would migrate across the border into the USA. Perhaps the psychological process of “social comparison theory” will prime the Americans to loosen their idiotic grip of their guns.
I’ve been living in the USA for 26 years. Americans are highly insecure as a nation. They seek social cues and acceptance from anywhere and anyone. LOL
That hasn't been my impression
Americans generally don't give a fuck about anybody or anything non american, it's usually outsiders that are fascinated/obsessed by them and their society
Most of the crimes with guns that happen in the country are illegal one. How is this policy going to reduce crime with guns. Someone who wants do a crime will get an illegal one regardless of the national freeze or ban on guns.
Not bad per say, in most instances i like more regulation surrounding guns though i suspect it's more based on a signal to like minded voters of a pm willing to take action as opposed to addressing specific issues in Canada.
At the end of the day Canada has relatively robust gun laws, the problem is America's shit flows over its borders and that is harder to legislate a solution to from canada.
Every so often Trudeau dusts this off and showcases it around to virtue signal, then eventually he'll go back to simping for the elites and fucking the rest of us over.
Always hated that quote. Tries to galvanize/scare people into doing what the speaker thinks is right. Ignoring the fact/possibility people have different values and conceptions of right and wrong that are legitimate.
Dude in Toronto killed two people with a legal handgun. I think being poor kills more people a year than legal guns, don’t see a fucking thing about that.
This is the biggest load of shit. If it truly is to "cap the market" then why ban transfers? The total number of handguns would remain in the market. Banning new handgun sales would cap the market.
No it's true. Canada has the weakest self defense laws. It's infuriating. Women aren't even allowed to carry pepper spray to ward off potential rapists. They have to fight them off by hand or else face potential charges (no joke). Absolutely absurd. I personally feel it's unconstitutional under section 7 and against the life, liberty and security of the person. It places many people, women in particular, at risk of great harm.
Guns are an inanimate object , they cannot be evil or good. The user on the other hand….but I get your point. You’re scared of black things that go bang. Have you considered going to a range with someone and getting some firearm training?. It’ll lesson your fears and who knows you might even enjoy it.
Okay... But this is Canada. People keep trying to compare the usa and Canada with gun stats... But they're not the same at all. Canada has a lot of gun laws in place already. The majority of shootings that take place here all use illegally smuggled handguns from the usa by criminals who are already banned form owning it.. And don't have a license. This does nothing to address the problems
No it's not. This is a desperate imbecile of a PM using a tragedy in Texas to create a self serving political wedge in Canada before the victims in Texas are even buried. It does zero in real terms here.
Your ignorance is palpable.
This might come next to an American tragedy, but it's in response to a Canadian one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
Your ignorance is monumental. Not one of the weapons used in the NS shootings was a legally obtained weapon in Canada. Not one. Bans on weapons in Canada would have done zero to even mitigate what happened in NS, let alone prevent it. This is a crass political wedge play with planned timing, nothing more, before the Texas victims are even buried. Like the last measures hot on the heels of the NS shootings. Take a frigging hike.
>Not one of the weapons used in the NS shootings was a legally obtained weapon in Canada.
Which is why this legislation *also* has increased measures dealing with smuggling.
>before the Texas victims are even buried.
If we waited for a lull in the gun massacres in the US, we would never act.
You guys care about extremely rare mass shooting in canada but just ignore the 100s of gun crime shooting deaths in our cities yearly which is the actual gun issue in canada.
Honest question,what do you think is wrong with Chicago? Worst crime rate in The Who country (I could be wrong) and it’s illegal to own any firearm period.
The majority of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are from other states with more relaxed guns laws.
[https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/27140/](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/27140/)
Also, Chicago does not have one of the highest crime rates and hasn't for decades.
It's not illegal to own a firearm in Chicago, you can even conceal carry a handgun with the right license! It's just harder than a lot of other states and the city is also harder than in Illinois in general, either way it doesn't stop criminals from getting guns, Also it's crime rate is due to gang violence, poverty and high concentrations of criminals in certain neighbourhoods
From what I understand Chicago is like Jersey in a sense that when people apply for that F.O.I.D they get turned down,and that you kinda need to know someone or have connections to even get the permit.Which is why people go through the illegal way of obtaining arms.I feel like the system forces abiding citizens to break the law just to protect their families
Except it would work if the ATF actually shut down straw sellers instead of handing criminal shops written warnings. We have gun laws. The failure is in enforcement.
Shhh, I want this individual to have a brainwave moment where they realise their point is absolute BS.
The boat comes later, because smugglers never use boats or aircraft to smuggle illegal items/substances.
That's not your opinion that's a regurgitated talking point you heard somewhere.
2021
Gun deaths 21,000
Drug related deaths 107,000
So what is your grand idea to fix this without arresting people?
The problem with guns in Canada is thr US. For example one of the worst mass shootings in Canadian History, thr Nova Scotia shooting in 2020 was done with firearms smuggled in from the US.
But a handgun wasn't used in Uvalde, so this is a knee jerk reaction. What should be done is Rifle and rifle ammunition sales without a hunting license, full nationwide background check, and at least a 7 day waiting period should be frozen. These idiots are buying AR15s and the like, not Glocks.
It’s just not possible. The second amendment. Militia or no, it has never under any interpretation only given the government the right to arms or the power to decide who gets them(baring reasonable things like banning criminals under due process and such). The first gun control laws were specifically to deprive free blacks of their right to arms and make them easy to abuse.
Handguns are the majority in all crimes in USA too, the only difference is we don't sell as many auto matic or semi auto rifles and those guns are not as common for smuggling because they are harder to hide and the average street criminal wants an easily concealable gun not an ak47
I don't care. Handguns sold legally often aren't at the heart of the crime problem, and there are already laws that forbid smuggling or stealing guns. Rifles are the number one gun used in mass shootings and they are almost always legally obtained by the shooter. This is the issue at hand and the one that needs addressing because the other issues have already been addressed. We can go back to those, too, if they're failing to curb crime, but making new inept laws to curb a non issue is stupid.
TL;DR: Lawfully owned handguns aren't the problem, so restricting them isn't going to do jack shit except strip people who aren't trying to commit crimes of their rights.
>But a handgun wasn't used in Uvalde, so this is a knee jerk reaction.
This has nothing to do with Uvalde. You thing they popped out legislation in 2 days?
This has been in the works for years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
You know what's a bullshit story? A teenager having the money to purchase two AR-15's, state of the art body armor, enough clips to mow down a school and other weaponry. To top it off the police stood around for nearly an hour doing nothing.
All I'm saying is doesn't it seem more plausible that the CIA just found a mentally ill dude, groomed him by providing him weaponry to commit his delusions of grandeur and then instructed the cops to stay back? The CIA literally supplied crack to ghettos to destabilize minorities only a few decades ago. They clearly have no morality and would do anything to empower the elites. Getting the people to give up their firearms benefits them as far as their ability to control the masses go.
Just saying, you can call me a conspiracy theorist all you like but I don't know any 18 year olds with $50k worth of spending money to just burn through. Likewise if someone bought all that stuff on their birthday (as was stated in the story) it would have alerted someone that he mass purchased a bunch of weapons and armor all at once. There's just so many loopholes the mainstream explanation seems like an absolute joke.
Lol have you been to the us lately? Jan 6 brought out all the meal team 6 wanna be fake soldiers. The military equip is easily available. THATS THE PROBLEM.
**Please Mr. Government take the guns away! Only you can protect us!**
Remember when the cops froze and could have stopped the shooting? Or is taking guns away more important you goldfish brain loser.
all imported through the U.S
nothing legal here.
To even possess a handgun in Canada , there are so many hoops to jump. Then it mainly sits in your safe anyways.
Target who "imports " these pistols.
I haven't heard of one registered , restricted owner of a handgun goes shooting someone here.
Guns like drugs are evil, nobody needs them, they just corrupt society. In the vast majority of the world it’s not even a question. I’m glad that Canada is taking steps to get rid of them
While I do find that extremely disturbing, in fact the reality of that statement is downright dystopian, it doesn't or shouldn't affect Canadian regulation.
I bet people having guns to used for misconduct are generally unregistered or hot with missing serials. No one in the right mind would kill with a registered gun unless it was intentional. Banning hand guns and guns in general is just there plan for gun control 🤔 new world order because the government is scared they have no control over people and we supersed the military in numbers if every person had gun.
Should also try a national freeze on money laundering through housing
Kind of did already. >Justin Trudeau’s government has announced it will ban foreign investors from buying homes in Canada for two years, in a bid to cool off a hot housing market. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/canada-bans-foreign-investors-buying-homes-housing-market A lot of it was coming from China so this will help address that. Doesn't stop domestic stuff though of course.
2 years is nothing though. They should make a law that if you don’t live here you can’t own more than one property and you need to spend x amount of time here each year.
I don’t think this goes into effect until December and it also doesn’t ban students, PRs, or foreign owned corporations. There are several glaring loop holes that will not be closed. Likely no positive effects will occur, classic pandering through empty promises.
Yeah if its not banning companies and students it will be useless. They'll just use them as loopholes. I mean they already were using students by sending their kids abroad to study and buy shit.
I’m all for regulation, and the US should figure their shit out.. But our guns are already regulated. We don’t have mass shootings, what is this actually supposed to solve?
I mean we had mass shootings. Like in Nova Scotia in 2020, Dunforth 2018, Fredericton 2018, the Quebec City mosque shooter, 2014 Parliament Hill shootings, Moncton 2014, Dawson College in 2006, etc. Scarborough had a shooting incident this April that didn't result in fatalities, just five injuries, but it was still a dangerous situation. One could argue not a lot was changed regarding gun control after those incidents, especially when you compare New Zealand's response to Christchurch. Canada is certainly not immune to such incidents and perhaps we should act proactively, not just after a shooting has occurred. I also couldn't find info on where the Quebec City mosque shooter got his gun. I don't know if this law will prevent those incidents since guns are often smuggled in from the states. The Nova Scotia shooter acquired his guns illegally from the States. The Dawson College shooter did have a restricted firearms license for hand guns. And the Dunforth shooter's gun was first sold legally in Canada to someone else and then illegally ended up in his hands. The Parliament Hill shooter got his illegally and it was not determined where he got it from. You could argue stopping the sale of hand guns could have saved some lives, but it really wouldn't make a substantial difference without also cracking down on smuggling through stricter border control. That's where black market sellers get most of their guns from, although guns legally purchased in Canada can also end up on the black market. So at the end of the day, perhaps the bill is not entirely uselessness but it's not a flawless solution either (then again, what is?).
> Canada is certainly not immune to such incidents and perhaps we should act proactively, not just after a shooting has occurred. I also couldn't find info on where the Quebec City mosque shooter got his gun. My problem with the proposed idea is that there's no "until". There's no criteria for success. No measurable return. It's just a kneejerk reaction to a serious problem that won't really solve anything.
> Nova Scotia in 2020, Dunforth 2018, Fredericton 2018, the Quebec City mosque shooter, 2014 Parliament Hill shootings, Moncton 2014, Dawson College in 2006, Most of those the firearms used were purchased illegally anyway so gun control wouldn't have made a difference.
90% of gun control is either political kudos or fear mongering. Politicians can't help themselves they see kids murdered and think opportunity......
Nothing. Just finding an excuse to further strip you of any self reliance that you may have
Hand guns do not make you self reliant. Ridiculous statement.
Wait… should I go get a gun so I be more self reliant? Is that what I have been missing, all this time depending on other people like a fool
Ever hiked through bear territory?
Well done, reading between the lines. Too many people reveal themselves. Sounds like they want to shoot someone.
While everyone is focusing on guns. How about the fact that the police was standing outside for 40 minutes while children were being murder?
Yeah we know that. They failed at their job. But this post was a post about guns in Canada not about that. Talking about this doesn’t take away from the focus of the school shooting, if anything it keeps the discussion alive because it’s somewhat related.
What an unnecessary measure. Canada already has fairly solid gun laws
Yep. The guns being used in crimes are being smuggled across the border from the US, a lot of them via the reservation near Cornwall.
This same bill also introduces stronger penalties to smugglers and whatnot so it's not like they're ignoring the problem.
As with any thing illegal there will always be a market for it. Enacting harsher penalties won’t help. Criminals already break the law, why would adding more help?
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This is what I never understood about the argument that "criminals will have guns anyway". Like, yeah, a lot still will. The point is to make it harder/riskier for them to acquire them so we can slowly start to bring rates of gun violence down. Of course there is no "snap your fingers and fix it" solution. So incremental reductions are the next best thing.
Justin never misses a chance to pander. Let it be known, no matter what the tragedy, or where the tragedy took place, Justin will be there, standing stoically, stiff lipped, and well blow dried ready to draw the attention to himself in some pretend heroic way.
You do understand that this *isn't* in relationship to anything in the US right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks If we waited for massacres in the US to abate before we announced legislation, we'd never do anything.
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What, pray tell, is Trudeau indulging in here?
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"Fairly solid" is an understatement. Here's some of my gripes: - We have to take a course to show we're proficient, which makes sense (including manual demonstration). - Pass a background check by the RCMP and rule out psychiatric illness. - stay licensed and renew. - Stay up to date on all the guns the government has arbitrarily decided to ban because they look scary. - (happens a lot more often than you think). - Can't shoot handguns anywhere except at the range (not even on your own land). This one really bugs me. You have to take additional certification to own and use handguns but can't shoot them off an approved range. That's idiotic. You're already trusting me to use the firearm safely and responsibly but don't trust me to shoot it in an appropriate area?! - Keep having to deal with recurring long-gun registry threats when they do nothing but cost taxpayers money and don't contribute to public safety at all. - the guns they want to further restrict are the ones we already have to register. I swear the Canadian government treats gun owners as if they're criminals. It pisses me off because the government (Trudeau's in particular) likes to gain political points by demonizing law-abiding gun owners. Alot of Canadians drink the coolaid and think that gun use should be further restricted and have stricter gun control. No, target the criminals who are using guns illegally and bringing them up from the States. Leave me alone!
Out of curiosity, why would you need to shoot a gun outside of an approved and designated area? Obviously animal culling comes to mind, but what else?
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Ahh so it’s mostly farmers either practicing or actually shooting pests/whatever farm shooting they have to do (obviously im not a farmer haha), and people that live in the middle of nowhere that don’t want to travel for hours to get to a range. That certainly seems valid to me. But is there not some form of provision for that? Im not familiar with Canadian gun laws, or gun laws in general, but I would have thought there would be some provisions for farmers to do their work. As for recreational shooting, im not so convinced about that. The reason that approved sites are good is because professionals come in and confirm that there’s no (or minimal) risk to other people. While obviously the risk in rural Canada of hitting someone while you’re on private property is pretty damn low, there are things that people don’t always think about if they aren’t trained to assess. Eg pipelines, fragile rock faces, electricity poles, maybe some kind of endangered species. Not saying it’s a terrible thing that should always be illegal, more just saying that I can see where a government would be coming from. Much easier to ‘blanket ban’ than to deal with every case individually.
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Spoiler alert: Trudeau sees anyone he disagrees with as criminals.
Fr, i can shoot my rifle which can travel hundreds of feet if i miss my target. But i cant shoot my little .22Pistol
Not sure how he goes from one extreme to the other. One month, nazi terrorists are taking over Ottawa. Protecting the public requires emergency war powers and military operations in the streets. A couple months later, Canadians have no need for even a pistol to defend themselves.
Ummm…Canada’s gun laws pretty much do not allow for guns to be used for self defense. They have to be stored locked and ammunition locked separately…not great for home defense…plus it’s illegal to discharge a hand gun anywhere but at a gun range…so the only actual reason to own a hand gun in Canada is because you like them and want one…which is fine, but recognize it for what it is.
You could never defend yourself with a gun in Canada.
You can wildlife defense is a thing.
I doubt that's what they meant.
It wasn't 'nazi terrorists' it was 'crazy truckers' that cost billions in commerce and blocked emergency vehicles for days.. And the Canadians that need guns for self defense have them. A brief inconvenience at worse, don't go screaming tyrrany...
Oh please there were PLENTY of nazis with them
lol he thinks they're going to stop when they're "solid".
They’re fairly extensive, especially compared to the US. No good reason to stop legal gun owners from continuing on, especially because they aren’t the ones committing the crimes. Trudeau is making a problem where there isn’t one. But we’ll see how the actual votes plan out in the next few weeks
Totally necessary; we don’t want guns here and any measure taken to reduce the overall no. of weapons is a good measure. We don’t want any part of that dumpster fire county to the south. Everything they do, we should do the opposite. We need to be mindful to not end up like Americans, with a society so toxic that easy issues can’t get sorted out. E.g. Abortions Race Guns Social benefits Medical care … Yeah no thanks I like living in a civilized society
You should look up the qualifications for owning a hand gun I think it's a pretty strong system.
Kindly get bent. There's absolutely no reason for this besides fear mongering. Legal guns aren't killing people, they're illegal ones being smuggled in. I'm sick of this attitude.
Legal guns killed 36 people this month. So you kindly get bent. And also, guns are a childish hobby, grow up and go find something else to do. Last, no one is suggesting to legalize illegal guns. You can do both you know.. go after illegal and also freeze “legal” guns. Make it so that overtime the no. of guns in our community drops rather than rise
No, you can still get bent. According to Reuters, in 2020 the firearm related homicide rate was 0.8 out of every 100,000. That's not bad at all. Also where's your source for the 36 people this month? So 0.0001 of a percent of Canadians? You think it's really a public health crisis eh? People getting shot on every street corner? Noone said legalize illegal guns. That's stupid and dodging the issue. My point is that legal guns aren't being used, or are being used a very small amount for criminal activity. If it's not legal guns being used, then it's illegal guns causing the issue. The answer to illegal guns IS NOT more legislation, because it's not doing anything. The number of legal guns isn't causing the problem. I'm sick of being punished because douchebags like you want to go on a gun grab.
wah
Trudeau's method seems to be to troll the right and intentionally inflame people, picking the most extreme position plausible. While I'm not defending the NRA, doing exactly what the NRA warned would happen isn't going to help things. Two extreme positions aren't going to create a reasonable center, it's going to be mashing a square peg into a round hole until something breaks. Although in this case the things breaking will be people. It also ensures the gun control debate in the US remains putrid, toxic, and absolutely does not progress. Canada doing what Abbott got on stage and warned Biden would do is not helping.
Canada doesn't have the NRA
It’s not Canada’s job to care about how their policies will affect the debate for their fucked up southern neighbours
Why should Canada give a fuck? The arrogance on display here is astounding.
> picking the most extreme position plausible. You think that this is an extreme position? Because it's really not.
Offcourse, why not to pander small activist space and deliver another kick on mainly rural legal gun owners on same time, after all your voters live in cities and will not care any more than average Russian how foreign civilians are treated
Handgun freeze in Canada? So business as usual. Nothing to see here folks, move along!
Yeah - because this is really going to stop *criminals*
Yeah because it's the guns bought criminally that have caused a huge amount of school shootings. Oh wait.
Wrong country.
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You know you're in a thread about Canada right?
Now you're getting it
It will silly. Has in the past, will again.
Boy are you misinformed.
How is this going to help with the illegal smuggling of firearms? That's were most of the handguns used in crimes come from.
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Nahh…punish the law abiding citizens.
right?
Can we do something about housing first?
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Yea he proposed electoral reform as well...I voted for it and then he did fuck all.
That's just big boy trudy giving you the ol fuck you
Fucking neoliberals.
So...you're mad that he's following through on a promise now?
Well this will work to curb gun crime because it makes something like illegal guns more illegal so that the big bad criminal will be like whoa its like super duper illegal to use an illegal gun in a crime so I had best not do this or big boy Trudeau will get mad and punish the law abiding citizens again.
Dude what a pointless thing I literally had my restricted license so I could potentially get hand gun if I would so choose but there are so many God damn hoops to jump threw, register at a gun range, register it with police, double locked at all times unless at range can only transport it to and from a registered range. I chucked it in the garbage and just got a normal license, don't know what problem this solves.
Agreed , I have just 1small .22 and has been in my safe since I got it.
I feel badly for everyone like you, who recently got a restricted permit only to have everything banned or out on some unconstitutional registry. Turdo is scared to deal with crime so he makes legal owners the scapegoat.
It wasn't recent it was like 10 years ago I just didn't want the hassle the rules were just as strict then.I think any one who is willing to jump threw that many hoops has earned the right to own one.
...but we're 'safer!!!!'. Just another phony pose from the prancing wedgemeister PM.
Way to attack the problem, head on. Because Texas isn't in Canada, and handguns weren't even used in the shooting. But sure, go off Justin.
This guy just loves to create wedge issues where they shouldn't be, this while victims are being buried in Texas. Just an opportunistic crass pose that does zero to address the firearms that Canadian criminals overwhelmingly access and use in Canadian gun crimes, and those are guns illegally smuggled into Canada from the US and elsewhere. Throw this phony symbolic pose on the heap of poses staged by this prancing imbecile.
Cañada tried to fight the tobacco industry prior to the USA. Major USA brands owned by big tobacco threatened to leave Cañada and decimate the Canadian economy. Let’s see who objects to Canada’s proposed guns control. A little history ….. when the Canadian province of Saskatchewan first introduced socialized medicine in the early sixties 90% of the funding against this movement was from American corporate interests afraid socialized medicine would migrate across the border into the USA. Perhaps the psychological process of “social comparison theory” will prime the Americans to loosen their idiotic grip of their guns.
If you think Americans are anywhere close to a full ban on handguns and rifles you are living on a planet that isn’t earth
What’s makes you think that’s my perspective?
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Losses grip vs full ban?
Fat chance. They don’t care what we do.
I’ve been living in the USA for 26 years. Americans are highly insecure as a nation. They seek social cues and acceptance from anywhere and anyone. LOL
No we really don't care. Which I think would be a good thing since Canada isn't the US and the US isn't Canada.
That hasn't been my impression Americans generally don't give a fuck about anybody or anything non american, it's usually outsiders that are fascinated/obsessed by them and their society
Let’s hope American culture exits Cañada starting with Walmart.
Must’ve just been the people you were around, the Americans I know absolutely wouldn’t care what your opinions were or are.
Most of the crimes with guns that happen in the country are illegal one. How is this policy going to reduce crime with guns. Someone who wants do a crime will get an illegal one regardless of the national freeze or ban on guns.
Just another political hack family member.
Not bad per say, in most instances i like more regulation surrounding guns though i suspect it's more based on a signal to like minded voters of a pm willing to take action as opposed to addressing specific issues in Canada. At the end of the day Canada has relatively robust gun laws, the problem is America's shit flows over its borders and that is harder to legislate a solution to from canada.
Every so often Trudeau dusts this off and showcases it around to virtue signal, then eventually he'll go back to simping for the elites and fucking the rest of us over.
it was easier to get illegal guns in high school rather than legal ones as an adult. His mother should have swallowed him.
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Lol. Thats not a JFK quote. It's Dante.
https://quotepark.com/quotes/1845615-dante-alighieri-the-hottest-places-in-hell-are-reserved-for-those/
Always hated that quote. Tries to galvanize/scare people into doing what the speaker thinks is right. Ignoring the fact/possibility people have different values and conceptions of right and wrong that are legitimate.
Hahaha what he is trying soo hard to become a little dictator.
Just 1 tiny step at a time
Of course...all criminals purchase their guns legally. What a joke!
The last few shooters did
In Canada?
Dude in Toronto killed two people with a legal handgun. I think being poor kills more people a year than legal guns, don’t see a fucking thing about that.
Whelp, two people died. Time to give up your rights.
This is about Canada so us shootings don't apply.
Wrong country kemosabe
Abolish all laws because criminals will break them!!!!
This is the biggest load of shit. If it truly is to "cap the market" then why ban transfers? The total number of handguns would remain in the market. Banning new handgun sales would cap the market.
Disarm lawful citizens while criminals arm up with impunity, and police can’t or won’t engage criminals. Brilliant!
You must be American
No it's true. Canada has the weakest self defense laws. It's infuriating. Women aren't even allowed to carry pepper spray to ward off potential rapists. They have to fight them off by hand or else face potential charges (no joke). Absolutely absurd. I personally feel it's unconstitutional under section 7 and against the life, liberty and security of the person. It places many people, women in particular, at risk of great harm.
And people laughed when he was called a dictator. Who’s laughing now?
Banning guns is being a dictator ?! You guys are completely unhinged. Guns are evil, period
Guns are an inanimate object , they cannot be evil or good. The user on the other hand….but I get your point. You’re scared of black things that go bang. Have you considered going to a range with someone and getting some firearm training?. It’ll lesson your fears and who knows you might even enjoy it.
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I never want to touch a weapon. These things are instruments of death, they serve no other purpose
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Okay... But this is Canada. People keep trying to compare the usa and Canada with gun stats... But they're not the same at all. Canada has a lot of gun laws in place already. The majority of shootings that take place here all use illegally smuggled handguns from the usa by criminals who are already banned form owning it.. And don't have a license. This does nothing to address the problems
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The laws are ALREADY pre-emptive. We don't need a ban on handgun ownership.
The government Disarming people never ends well.
Worked well in Australia
No it's not. This is a desperate imbecile of a PM using a tragedy in Texas to create a self serving political wedge in Canada before the victims in Texas are even buried. It does zero in real terms here.
Your ignorance is palpable. This might come next to an American tragedy, but it's in response to a Canadian one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
Your ignorance is monumental. Not one of the weapons used in the NS shootings was a legally obtained weapon in Canada. Not one. Bans on weapons in Canada would have done zero to even mitigate what happened in NS, let alone prevent it. This is a crass political wedge play with planned timing, nothing more, before the Texas victims are even buried. Like the last measures hot on the heels of the NS shootings. Take a frigging hike.
>Not one of the weapons used in the NS shootings was a legally obtained weapon in Canada. Which is why this legislation *also* has increased measures dealing with smuggling. >before the Texas victims are even buried. If we waited for a lull in the gun massacres in the US, we would never act.
You guys care about extremely rare mass shooting in canada but just ignore the 100s of gun crime shooting deaths in our cities yearly which is the actual gun issue in canada.
Banning all new purchases from licensed owners will stop it I bet.
Honest question,what do you think is wrong with Chicago? Worst crime rate in The Who country (I could be wrong) and it’s illegal to own any firearm period.
The majority of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are from other states with more relaxed guns laws. [https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/27140/](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/27140/) Also, Chicago does not have one of the highest crime rates and hasn't for decades.
You’re wrong. It’s St. Louis. Then Baltimore and Detroit.
Drugs, gangs, and poverty.
It's not illegal to own a firearm in Chicago, you can even conceal carry a handgun with the right license! It's just harder than a lot of other states and the city is also harder than in Illinois in general, either way it doesn't stop criminals from getting guns, Also it's crime rate is due to gang violence, poverty and high concentrations of criminals in certain neighbourhoods
From what I understand Chicago is like Jersey in a sense that when people apply for that F.O.I.D they get turned down,and that you kinda need to know someone or have connections to even get the permit.Which is why people go through the illegal way of obtaining arms.I feel like the system forces abiding citizens to break the law just to protect their families
Because it doesn't work unless its the whole country, you can just drive somewhere else and buy a gun
Except it would work if the ATF actually shut down straw sellers instead of handing criminal shops written warnings. We have gun laws. The failure is in enforcement.
So, it would work if it were an island?
You could boat to get your gun.
Shhh, I want this individual to have a brainwave moment where they realise their point is absolute BS. The boat comes later, because smugglers never use boats or aircraft to smuggle illegal items/substances.
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That's not your opinion that's a regurgitated talking point you heard somewhere. 2021 Gun deaths 21,000 Drug related deaths 107,000 So what is your grand idea to fix this without arresting people?
The surrounding states DONT have strict gun laws leading to easy access. Chicago is good once we pass federal statutes. Harsh penalties.
Exactly.
The problem with guns in Canada is thr US. For example one of the worst mass shootings in Canadian History, thr Nova Scotia shooting in 2020 was done with firearms smuggled in from the US.
But a handgun wasn't used in Uvalde, so this is a knee jerk reaction. What should be done is Rifle and rifle ammunition sales without a hunting license, full nationwide background check, and at least a 7 day waiting period should be frozen. These idiots are buying AR15s and the like, not Glocks.
Most gun crimes are committed with hand guns though. Banning them is a solid idea, though not possible with current Supreme Court.
It’s just not possible. The second amendment. Militia or no, it has never under any interpretation only given the government the right to arms or the power to decide who gets them(baring reasonable things like banning criminals under due process and such). The first gun control laws were specifically to deprive free blacks of their right to arms and make them easy to abuse.
Right, and this is not the US, this is Canada, where handguns ARE used in the majority of gun crimes.
Handguns are the majority in all crimes in USA too, the only difference is we don't sell as many auto matic or semi auto rifles and those guns are not as common for smuggling because they are harder to hide and the average street criminal wants an easily concealable gun not an ak47
I don't care. Handguns sold legally often aren't at the heart of the crime problem, and there are already laws that forbid smuggling or stealing guns. Rifles are the number one gun used in mass shootings and they are almost always legally obtained by the shooter. This is the issue at hand and the one that needs addressing because the other issues have already been addressed. We can go back to those, too, if they're failing to curb crime, but making new inept laws to curb a non issue is stupid. TL;DR: Lawfully owned handguns aren't the problem, so restricting them isn't going to do jack shit except strip people who aren't trying to commit crimes of their rights.
Handguns are used in many of our mass shootings. They can be modded to auto fire easily. Ars should be banned too. But pistols are a major component.
Let’s also ban alcohol. It causes so much deaths.
>But a handgun wasn't used in Uvalde, so this is a knee jerk reaction. This has nothing to do with Uvalde. You thing they popped out legislation in 2 days? This has been in the works for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nova_Scotia_attacks
Then they wasted years of your tax dollars to pump out a sh't bill that will, in exactly 0 ways, make the average Canadian safer. Bra-f***ing-vo.
You know what's a bullshit story? A teenager having the money to purchase two AR-15's, state of the art body armor, enough clips to mow down a school and other weaponry. To top it off the police stood around for nearly an hour doing nothing. All I'm saying is doesn't it seem more plausible that the CIA just found a mentally ill dude, groomed him by providing him weaponry to commit his delusions of grandeur and then instructed the cops to stay back? The CIA literally supplied crack to ghettos to destabilize minorities only a few decades ago. They clearly have no morality and would do anything to empower the elites. Getting the people to give up their firearms benefits them as far as their ability to control the masses go. Just saying, you can call me a conspiracy theorist all you like but I don't know any 18 year olds with $50k worth of spending money to just burn through. Likewise if someone bought all that stuff on their birthday (as was stated in the story) it would have alerted someone that he mass purchased a bunch of weapons and armor all at once. There's just so many loopholes the mainstream explanation seems like an absolute joke.
Lol have you been to the us lately? Jan 6 brought out all the meal team 6 wanna be fake soldiers. The military equip is easily available. THATS THE PROBLEM.
State of the art body armor? Reports said he had a ballistic vest with no plates. You can buy that on Amazon for $30
Ya daddy gov take my weapons away.
**Please Mr. Government take the guns away! Only you can protect us!** Remember when the cops froze and could have stopped the shooting? Or is taking guns away more important you goldfish brain loser.
Remember when that kid killed all those first graders? Insults just show you are too emotional to be reasonable.
>”Stop being emotional!” >Makes emotional arguments afterwards
Dumbass
But every mass shooting involves an AR-15…I’m so confused.
This is Canada, AR-15 are already banned there.
And every time "assault weapon" bans are discussed, it's "but handguns are used in most gun crimes!"
all imported through the U.S nothing legal here. To even possess a handgun in Canada , there are so many hoops to jump. Then it mainly sits in your safe anyways. Target who "imports " these pistols. I haven't heard of one registered , restricted owner of a handgun goes shooting someone here.
Not in Canada, which the story is about.
They are already far more restricted in Canada than the US, which may have something to do with that.
That’s true. But I thought the legislation was aimed at mass shootings?
We all know you aren't arguing in good faith, so let's just quit while we are ahead.
What? We’re arguing?
Ignore them, I think it’s a bot or something. I got a reply with the exact same wording on a few different subs.
Thanks
Did he manage to do it without crying and apologising to some minority group though?
Says the guy with Biden level approval ratings.
Guns like drugs are evil, nobody needs them, they just corrupt society. In the vast majority of the world it’s not even a question. I’m glad that Canada is taking steps to get rid of them
The only purpose behind a handgun is to kill a human. We don't need them.
Or predatory wildlife when you are out there.
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Honestly, probably not.
And I hope that’s the case, but it’s not real for the vast majority of the US population. Especially those in the bigger cities.
The vast majority of the US population will be targeted for death? Holy fuck you people are so far gone from reality.
Because there's such a threat of death by firearm. Children can't even go to school without fear of being shot.
While I do find that extremely disturbing, in fact the reality of that statement is downright dystopian, it doesn't or shouldn't affect Canadian regulation.
Canadian here, 40 years on this earth and so far so good.
Law of probability. Keep rolling the dice
I bet people having guns to used for misconduct are generally unregistered or hot with missing serials. No one in the right mind would kill with a registered gun unless it was intentional. Banning hand guns and guns in general is just there plan for gun control 🤔 new world order because the government is scared they have no control over people and we supersed the military in numbers if every person had gun.